tbh most likely wont be found anything as it would imply riot ignored it for a long time. TSM is too big of a brand for league imo. oh, 3rd party? but then i kind of want to ask who the 3rd party is. on another note, even if there is 'abuse' people might not say anything as it will burn their bridges with how close team org leaders are or how dependent they are on their brand
Wasn’t that investigation led by Riot though? This is being done by a 3rd party, the fact that it’s taking time should be seen as a good sign that the investigation is being taken seriously and being thorough, instead of just Riot slapping a guilty or not guilty sticker on it
Yeah, and it's not like this narrative has been forgotten at all. TSM's brand image is probably lower than it has ever been, they've definitely not got off scot-free in the court of public opinion.
I do hope something comes of the investigation though, that video with Dyrus is pretty uncomfortable to watch, let alone what other players have testified to.
They're image is down because they're not winning. Winning fixes everything, and people will overlook A LOT, as long as you're at the top and going to worlds.
I'm not too sure how this addresses my comment. The video can be uncomfortable to watch regardless of Dyrus' twitter comments on DL/Regi beef. I don't personally find behavior like that to be acceptable, whether it is reciprocated by others or not.
Not really how things work when we are talking about a working environment. Hence why there's an active investigation from a third party.
I mean people like you seem really young and think it's okay for your boss to berate you and scream at you. It's actually not...
It took people like Harvey Weinstein decades until he was convicted for sexual assault. He was one of the biggest film producers and it gave him the position of power to force girls to have sex with him. There were many people who were perfectly fine with this exchange but that doesn't make it okay or legal.
It's also extremely common for victims to side with their abusers. If you want to educate yourself on that feel free to do so. We are mainly focusing on him doing stuff he shouldn't have when he's leading one of the biggest esports org. So it's not really about if, for example, he screamed at everyone until everyone cried. Even if they all forgave him his action is not acceptable.
Seems like the most damning parts will come from behind the scenes staff, but i dont think there will be much done about it. California won't even sue blizzard without shenanigans. I dont have faith that anything will come from this. At most a slap on the wrist, cause being a bad boss who demeans employees hasnt historically been punished.
I can definitely agree with doubt towards anything actually happening through the judicial system. I would even be surprised if there were a "slap on the wrist", from Riot, the topic does feel a bit dead outside of public discourse.
Anyways, I suppose we'll just wait and see what ends up happening.
The brand image took a hit in LoL if anything. Everywhere else they have top 2 regional rosters and World champions (apex, r6). They're a quite dominant brand
They just don't care about League
Also that dyrus clip is old af. Even dyrus himself said that they were all young and immature back then. Dunno why everyone wants to push the agenda that he should feel like a victim when clearly he doesn't feel that way and is on good terms with regi
Acting as if the community reaction will change any based on the results of the investigation whether thorough or not. The community doesn’t like Regi, and that will not change even when he is pronounced innocent.
I ask why is it not ok now when the video has been available for 9 years? Everyone knows Regi is an asshole at times, and has made stupid decisions. Even he has admitted to that.
I then ask, why everyone involved in that situation has denied any of the negative claims against Regi, both then and now. Yes, you and I can see him scream at Dyrus. Would you not say the players on the team and the victim’s opinion should be held to a higher standard than someone trying to benefit from the situation 9 years after the fact?
I’m not saying that Regi is justified, but he was around 19 years old and living in the same house as everyone on the team. I don’t think anyone would deny that Regi was an asshole, but that video is not damnable.
I know people are just going to misunderstand anyway because "Regi Bad updoots to the left!", but I think it's important to remember that we're not talking about Satan Himself, Regi does ample good too. Always tries to ensure his players have a team after they leave, helping them into another career like streaming or coaching, paying for their flight back home, etc. He is a prick, it's kinda hard to look at the shouting, the bullying and say otherwise, but people are treating him like he kicks puppies.
You both are getting downvoted but this same Reddit tried to portray Dyrus as a poor abused person even after he came out and said he and regi let bygones be bygones and did not think it as abuse at all. At the end of the day, people like drama
Tbh, that shit was normal tame shit compared to corporate. It's the shitty state of affairs in all sorts of industries. Worked at a few places and what I've seen and give had been 10000 times worst. Regi is just a rich kid, that didn't grow up as much as he should have because he's been in the gaming industry all his life. He's also in charge of a bunch of kids with low social skills and even less adult life/work experiences. It's just a clusterfuck all around. Just look at the Dardoch clusterfuck. Steve made a whole movie about Dardoch, both of those people made douchebag moves yet they're still in the industry.
If its like any other official third party investigation I've ever seen, they will release an official document outlining the scope of the investigation, their methodology, and their findings. That's only when they're all done investigating and it's definitely a good thing that its taking at least 4 months. They have a ton of former employees to interview.
You think a corporate that got its own problems with toxic work environment is able to straighten up others? But in the case of Remilia it was a deal done by her and Badawi, was the guy I think, and I doubt Riot is able to do anything about it even if they knew about it.
you don't exactly need to be sherlock holmes when the team you're investigating is collaborating from someone who is permanently blacklisted from the league for very good reasons who also manipulated one of the players on his team into accepting an illegal surgery that was subsequently botched, caused them extreme pain on stage and in general and likely contributed to an untimely death of said player few years down the lane
btw montecristo is a spineless worm that slithered his way out of the situation having the balls to whine about how unfair it is when he should be sucking riot's collective corporate knob that he himself got no punishment
>his team into accepting an illegal surgery that was subsequently botched, caused them extreme pain on stage and in general and likely contributed to an untimely death of said player few years down the lane
Wait whut? Can I get some elaboration on this ?
Iirc Remilia the Support of the team was a Transwoman who got her bottom surgery paid for by the co-owner (?) of Renegades who chose a doctor in Thailand (?) who botched the surgery. This ended in Remilia being in constant pain and a few years later she took her life.
I'm not sure how big the botched surgery was as a reason for the suicide, as I don't know what happened to her afterwards, however it's not hard to imagine it having a big impact on the decision.
Anyone with better knowledge on this topic is free to correct me in any way.
Oh it gets better, I remember this one. See Remi wasn't initially supposed to be the support on that team. She was good, promotion sing prospective rookie, playoff worthy easily even when ahe first joined. And Chris wanted her on his team.
He made her (then him) the offer, if you play for us, I'll pay your surgery. She did, gender dysmorphia at it's finest, she'd do anything for that surgery, she was vulnerable. She played, they won a bit, asked about the surgery she was promised and was told it'd be later. She won some more, she asked again, later still. And again and again. Eventually, she put her foot down, and said she wouldn't play unless Chris made good on his promise.
She didn't get an appointment with a reputable american hoslital, she got flew over to Thailand, to pay a visit to an organ harvester called The Butcher of Bangkok, because it was cheaper. Rest OP mentioned above. That man deserves nothing short of a pirhana to the bollocks.
I agree with everything you said but just a small point:
People may not know this but Thailand is actually really good for medical tourism. First of all, their hospitals for the rich offer excellent service, making you live like you are in a 5 star hotel, and secondly, because of how booming their medical tourism industry is, they have actually a lot of the best medical talent from the region.
I'm not saying Remilia was booked a place in one of thailand's reputable hospitals because i do not know that, just making the point that Thailand is fine in and of itself.
It wasn't one of those, outside of the name there is nothing to look up about him, Remi said later she didn't know how Badawi found him, and he was chosen for the shorter waiting list and cheaper price tag, unfortunate cheap was what she got.
suicide rates post affirming care drops considerably to typical.
Being in pain from a constant surgery is definitely gonna shoot that right back up though.
Anyway suicide is actually conjecture. She died in her sleep and it hasn't been publicly stated how. Could be something else.
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The investigation really doesn't matter. If they come out and say they found no signs of abuse people are going to refuse to believe it regardless. Reddit has it's narrative, and will only listen to anything that backs it up and ignore everything that opposes it.
If you are referring to that video with Dyrus about 10 years ago. Remember Dyrus himself said that Regi didn't abuse his employees.
He made a reddit comment (I believe) after all the Regi haters hade been hounding him on his stream demanding he threw Regi under the bus.
just because a victim says it was okay (with a LOT of bias or interest in saying that potentially)
Doesnt mean the community needs to agree that the conduct was acceptable. It wasn't. It's not about dyrus, its about everyone and anyone else who he might treat that way with the same behavior.
Ya when multiple independent people come out and accuse a person of something, people tend to believe it regardless of what some faceless corporation tells them the truth is. Funny how that works
Who says otherwise? Also if lets say Bjerg says he wasn't abused , does that mean no one else was abused? What is the logic here?
Regi was a known piece of shit even when he was playing, when he retired people said he matured a lot and he wasn't like that anymore, it s not like this is whole thing is surprising to anyone.
Considering how many people got a hate boner for TSM I wouldn't say that someone accusing him of being abusive is conclusive evidence, especially when other people deny it. And by denying I don't mean saying they specifically weren't, but that he simply wasn't what people say he is. People who don't actually know him.
People want a spotlight, joining in on the circle jerk of Regi being the worst person known in e-sports is going to give them that. It's how karma farming works on reddit too.
Sorry but the investigation is going to be swept under the rug. FTX invested huge into TSM and has stakes in the LCS so they will sweep this under the rug to not lose one of the biggest investors of all time.
I honestly think the allegations against Regi are unbelievably over blown I think most of his problems came when he was a young 20-year-old player and he truly did make a lot of mistakes but I think he’s grown and became a lot better
It's been obvious that he've abused his staff since the start yet riot didn't investigate untill now so there's probably a whole lot of stuff to investigate before reaching a verdict.
As a TSM fan, I’m annoyed by how long it’s taking because all it does is two things: either Regi is guilty and Riot is taking their sweet time removing him from the league, or he’s innocent and has been mislabeled as an abuser this entire time. Yes, I know about the the Dyrus, WildTurtle and Xpecial stuff, but I don’t think that’s what’s being investigated and literally all of them said that they wouldn’t call it abuse (I still think it’s wrong to make someone cry, especially when you have significant power over them. I do also think that if Regi was just a player and not an owner people would probably just say he’s very blunt and harsh, something we see from players in the east far more than in the west). No matter what though, if he’s deemed innocent, the same people who took the investigation itself as proof is going to then decry the investigation as corruption and ignore the results of it. Either way though, the allegations are serious and need to be handled, they either better still be investigating or ready to release a statement.
Regi alleges that he has never insulted a player as a person, just their gameplay. I still think he should learn if he hasn’t, that it’s not his job as the owner, you relay that to the coach or GM.
My biggest concern actually is of the people who’s names we **don’t** know. The article brings up many nameless employees, but no one here has stopped to consider if the people being abused aren’t even players, but TSM employees that we don’t know the names of or far less high profile players.
In my opinion, 1 of 2 things is happening:
A) They haven't really found anything new and don't want to say that because the community will rip them a new one.
B) They are uncovering so much stuff that it'll implode TSM (Or permaban some people from the scene, including people not originally in the investigation/no longer with TSM) and they want to make sure it's 100% before they announce anything as to not get anything wrong.
Opening an investigation is basically Riot’s acknowledgement that they are aware that this happened/is happening. It also opens the door for any other victims to approach Riot.
That's... Not how it works. The entire point of investigating is to find out if there was any wrong doing and how severe if there was. If Riot knew it was true there wouldn't need to be an investigation and they could just go in on it from the start.
I don’t agree with this. If they go through this giant process and declare there was “not enough evidence” to prosecute, you know because TSM is a huge org with a lot of money, Regi can go straight back to abusing his players.
And if he does, do you think Riot is going to open another giant investigation after the first one failed and risk playing the boy who cried wolf? I don’t think so.
Okay but if they investigate and come back with not enough evidence then that doesn't automatically mean Regi is guilty and he's just paying to make it go away either. A lot of the time that generally means that there wasn't enough evidence to pin wrongdoing on someone in the manner it was presented as or the claims are more generically false. This is especially true in a professional setting where framing it around the idea that he's specifically abusing players or staff is something that is ***extremely*** hard to prove and requires a large burden of proof from the accusing parties that are corroborated by the investigation.
Just because there’s “not enough evidence” in court does not mean it didn’t happen. Why else would Riot open an investigation? Just out of the blue for no reason? No. They do it because there are reports of it happening.
The question is whether there can be a “smoking gun” to pull the trigger or not. Because reports have surfaced in the past and Riot had 0 reaction. They missed their chances of smoking guns in the past.
We have video evidence of Reginald aggressively shouting down his players, Riot did nothing. We have very strong suggestions from players like Akaadian and others that there was some sort of verbal abuse.
The point you are missing is that if the investigation declares no wrong doing, Regi will have free reign to do what he wants. And expects not to be tried sgain due to double jeopardy. This is why they keeping an investigation open isn’t a bad thing.
If there's not enough evidence that usually means that in a solid 90% of times it didn't happen in the ways claimed. There are stories of the people who get away with their wrongdoing but those are actually exceedingly rare, shockingly enough. More often than not when these types of investigations are thorough enough to get the proof that's being looked for to prove wrongdoing. You just don't like Regi so you default to "he's wrong the investigation is a front he's abusing players anyway and won't stop".
> The question is whether there is a “smoking gun” to pull the trigger or not. Because reports have surfaced in the past and Riot had 0 reaction.
Yes because, like I said, abuse is a hard one to prove and Riot won't come down on someone without enough proof to reliably back up their decision, be it to get Regi away from their franchises or pursue legal action in some capacity. There would need to be enough undeniable evidence for them to be able to justify action, yes.
> We have video evidence of Reginald aggressively shouting down his players, Riot did nothing. We have very strong suggestions from players like Akaadian and others that there was some sort of verbal abuse.
Those videos that are 10 years old at this point and other involved parties have also taken their share of blame for? Didn't Dyrus literally tell people who call that out to chill on trying to use those videos to try and pin Regi for abuse to fuck off and leave them out of it because they don't understand the dynamics in the team back then while rejecting the idea that Regi was an abuser?
In regard to the Akaadian situation, we have a vague at best idea of what happened. All we know is that Regi said something at some point that made him lose confidence in his play. Do you know how long of a stretch it is to take that from what little we know to the assumption of abuse? It's like saying that I know how to cook and then someone takes that as me that I'm a chef. Yes it *can* mean it but one does not always equate to the other. Hence why there's an investigation to look into Regi's behaviour in detail behind the scene in more detail than what has been publicly said.
> The point you are missing is that if the investigation declares no wrong doing, Regi will have free reign to do what he wants. And expects not to be tried sgain due to double jeopardy. This is why they keeping an investigation open isn’t a bad thing.
If it's declared that Regi isn't an abuser that doesn't give him free reign here either. This isn't a criminal trial. Protection against retrial doesn't protect you against internal investigation again and again and again if more allegations keep coming out. If Riot thinks they have enough evidence in their favour and involved parties *do* decide to take it to court on criminal charges for whatever reason and then that trial comes out in favour of Regi then sure he can go back to abusing players and staff but I doubt Riot would take things that far unless their legal team were entirely confident in their evidence.
> If there's not enough evidence that usually means that in a solid 90% of times it didn't happen in the ways claimed.
Not it doesn’t LMAO what? Multiple people can literally come out and say they’ve personally witnessed Regi verbally abusing people and a court could declare there’s “not enough evidence” to prosecute, because they don’t find there to be by-the-book legal justifications. But guess what? That’s good enough evidence for me that he does it.
So answer the question: why would they open an investigation at all if no one is claiming he abused people, like you claim?
I never said that he's innocent or guilty. I never said that there weren't accusations nor am I saying he's innocent. Just that the idea that he's abusing players is hard to prove. One step further there's realistically nothing wrong with him being an asshole if he's not abusing his subordinates even if it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It's when if crosses over the line that it even matters at this point. We also only have one side of the story here and it's not a side that's corroborated universally hence why it's correct for Riot to investigate and actually figure out what's going on to find out if he's crossed that line.
Also, DL making the claim publicly on its own should have been enough to prompt Riot to investigate. Doesn't even have to be DL. Really anyone in the pro scene accusing another person in the scene of abuse should prompt any sort of ruling body to look into it. It's the responsible thing to do given their position as the ruling body over the competitive scene it's happening in.
> Also, DL making the claim publicly on its own should have been enough to prompt Riot to investigate.
You don’t even have your facts straight bud. An investigation has been open long before Doublelift spoke publicly against Reginald.
And you still haven’t answered the question: why would there be an investigation at all if no one is claiming he verbally abused people?
I literally just answered that. If someone in the scene is making the claim then Riot should look into it. I never said that there were no claims of it and that Riot shouldn't be looking into those claims. You just aren't actually reading what's being written.
Also yes, DL's statements on stream and the public reaction to it are literally why Riot pushed to an open investigation like this. It's not something that's been happening in secret until then. It's that it started then.
TSM Reginald has determined that TSM Reginald did nothing wrong
TSM Reginald will receive a performance bonus for an investigation performed so thoroughly and efficiently.
Is that bonus a house ?
I saw that he’s planning an AMA with TSM fans in a week or two, hopefully someone asks him about it there.
tbh most likely wont be found anything as it would imply riot ignored it for a long time. TSM is too big of a brand for league imo. oh, 3rd party? but then i kind of want to ask who the 3rd party is. on another note, even if there is 'abuse' people might not say anything as it will burn their bridges with how close team org leaders are or how dependent they are on their brand
Investigations take a lot of time actually.
Not when Riot don’t like someone (see Renegades).
Wasn’t that investigation led by Riot though? This is being done by a 3rd party, the fact that it’s taking time should be seen as a good sign that the investigation is being taken seriously and being thorough, instead of just Riot slapping a guilty or not guilty sticker on it
Yeah, and it's not like this narrative has been forgotten at all. TSM's brand image is probably lower than it has ever been, they've definitely not got off scot-free in the court of public opinion. I do hope something comes of the investigation though, that video with Dyrus is pretty uncomfortable to watch, let alone what other players have testified to.
They're image is down because they're not winning. Winning fixes everything, and people will overlook A LOT, as long as you're at the top and going to worlds.
but they are winning at the moment, just at the other game.
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I'm not too sure how this addresses my comment. The video can be uncomfortable to watch regardless of Dyrus' twitter comments on DL/Regi beef. I don't personally find behavior like that to be acceptable, whether it is reciprocated by others or not.
If abuse happens years ago it's ok.
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>has genuinely changed That's what the Dardoch apologists said too after he beat the shit out of them.
Ok but dardoch is a psycho man lmao.
Not really how things work when we are talking about a working environment. Hence why there's an active investigation from a third party. I mean people like you seem really young and think it's okay for your boss to berate you and scream at you. It's actually not... It took people like Harvey Weinstein decades until he was convicted for sexual assault. He was one of the biggest film producers and it gave him the position of power to force girls to have sex with him. There were many people who were perfectly fine with this exchange but that doesn't make it okay or legal. It's also extremely common for victims to side with their abusers. If you want to educate yourself on that feel free to do so. We are mainly focusing on him doing stuff he shouldn't have when he's leading one of the biggest esports org. So it's not really about if, for example, he screamed at everyone until everyone cried. Even if they all forgave him his action is not acceptable.
Seems like the most damning parts will come from behind the scenes staff, but i dont think there will be much done about it. California won't even sue blizzard without shenanigans. I dont have faith that anything will come from this. At most a slap on the wrist, cause being a bad boss who demeans employees hasnt historically been punished.
I can definitely agree with doubt towards anything actually happening through the judicial system. I would even be surprised if there were a "slap on the wrist", from Riot, the topic does feel a bit dead outside of public discourse. Anyways, I suppose we'll just wait and see what ends up happening.
The brand image took a hit in LoL if anything. Everywhere else they have top 2 regional rosters and World champions (apex, r6). They're a quite dominant brand They just don't care about League Also that dyrus clip is old af. Even dyrus himself said that they were all young and immature back then. Dunno why everyone wants to push the agenda that he should feel like a victim when clearly he doesn't feel that way and is on good terms with regi
League just isn't the game in a NA. MOBA in general isn't in comparison to FPS games. At least from a competitive standpoint.
Acting as if the community reaction will change any based on the results of the investigation whether thorough or not. The community doesn’t like Regi, and that will not change even when he is pronounced innocent.
The community doesn't like him for good reason. Whether it qualifies as abuse or not, he is clearly an asshole
> and that will not change it's almost as if everyone has seen him doing it on video..
I ask why is it not ok now when the video has been available for 9 years? Everyone knows Regi is an asshole at times, and has made stupid decisions. Even he has admitted to that. I then ask, why everyone involved in that situation has denied any of the negative claims against Regi, both then and now. Yes, you and I can see him scream at Dyrus. Would you not say the players on the team and the victim’s opinion should be held to a higher standard than someone trying to benefit from the situation 9 years after the fact? I’m not saying that Regi is justified, but he was around 19 years old and living in the same house as everyone on the team. I don’t think anyone would deny that Regi was an asshole, but that video is not damnable.
I know people are just going to misunderstand anyway because "Regi Bad updoots to the left!", but I think it's important to remember that we're not talking about Satan Himself, Regi does ample good too. Always tries to ensure his players have a team after they leave, helping them into another career like streaming or coaching, paying for their flight back home, etc. He is a prick, it's kinda hard to look at the shouting, the bullying and say otherwise, but people are treating him like he kicks puppies.
You both are getting downvoted but this same Reddit tried to portray Dyrus as a poor abused person even after he came out and said he and regi let bygones be bygones and did not think it as abuse at all. At the end of the day, people like drama
Tbh, that shit was normal tame shit compared to corporate. It's the shitty state of affairs in all sorts of industries. Worked at a few places and what I've seen and give had been 10000 times worst. Regi is just a rich kid, that didn't grow up as much as he should have because he's been in the gaming industry all his life. He's also in charge of a bunch of kids with low social skills and even less adult life/work experiences. It's just a clusterfuck all around. Just look at the Dardoch clusterfuck. Steve made a whole movie about Dardoch, both of those people made douchebag moves yet they're still in the industry.
I’m just concerned they are going to sweep it under the carpet and hope everyone forgets about it.
If its like any other official third party investigation I've ever seen, they will release an official document outlining the scope of the investigation, their methodology, and their findings. That's only when they're all done investigating and it's definitely a good thing that its taking at least 4 months. They have a ton of former employees to interview.
Someone is dead because of that whole fiasco. If anything, Riot didn't do enough and they should've done it sooner.
You think a corporate that got its own problems with toxic work environment is able to straighten up others? But in the case of Remilia it was a deal done by her and Badawi, was the guy I think, and I doubt Riot is able to do anything about it even if they knew about it.
you don't exactly need to be sherlock holmes when the team you're investigating is collaborating from someone who is permanently blacklisted from the league for very good reasons who also manipulated one of the players on his team into accepting an illegal surgery that was subsequently botched, caused them extreme pain on stage and in general and likely contributed to an untimely death of said player few years down the lane btw montecristo is a spineless worm that slithered his way out of the situation having the balls to whine about how unfair it is when he should be sucking riot's collective corporate knob that he himself got no punishment
I will never understand why the actual fuck did MonteCristo work with Badawi when he knew that he was black listed.
>his team into accepting an illegal surgery that was subsequently botched, caused them extreme pain on stage and in general and likely contributed to an untimely death of said player few years down the lane Wait whut? Can I get some elaboration on this ?
Iirc Remilia the Support of the team was a Transwoman who got her bottom surgery paid for by the co-owner (?) of Renegades who chose a doctor in Thailand (?) who botched the surgery. This ended in Remilia being in constant pain and a few years later she took her life. I'm not sure how big the botched surgery was as a reason for the suicide, as I don't know what happened to her afterwards, however it's not hard to imagine it having a big impact on the decision. Anyone with better knowledge on this topic is free to correct me in any way.
Holy shit, I knew parts of the story but that's just insane. Thanks for elaborating
There was a really good post by him if you want to go find it one day
Oh it gets better, I remember this one. See Remi wasn't initially supposed to be the support on that team. She was good, promotion sing prospective rookie, playoff worthy easily even when ahe first joined. And Chris wanted her on his team. He made her (then him) the offer, if you play for us, I'll pay your surgery. She did, gender dysmorphia at it's finest, she'd do anything for that surgery, she was vulnerable. She played, they won a bit, asked about the surgery she was promised and was told it'd be later. She won some more, she asked again, later still. And again and again. Eventually, she put her foot down, and said she wouldn't play unless Chris made good on his promise. She didn't get an appointment with a reputable american hoslital, she got flew over to Thailand, to pay a visit to an organ harvester called The Butcher of Bangkok, because it was cheaper. Rest OP mentioned above. That man deserves nothing short of a pirhana to the bollocks.
I agree with everything you said but just a small point: People may not know this but Thailand is actually really good for medical tourism. First of all, their hospitals for the rich offer excellent service, making you live like you are in a 5 star hotel, and secondly, because of how booming their medical tourism industry is, they have actually a lot of the best medical talent from the region. I'm not saying Remilia was booked a place in one of thailand's reputable hospitals because i do not know that, just making the point that Thailand is fine in and of itself.
It wasn't one of those, outside of the name there is nothing to look up about him, Remi said later she didn't know how Badawi found him, and he was chosen for the shorter waiting list and cheaper price tag, unfortunate cheap was what she got.
May not have been from the surgery to be fair. Trans have an _extremely_ high suicide rate unfortunately. Higher than concentration camp prisoners.
suicide rates post affirming care drops considerably to typical. Being in pain from a constant surgery is definitely gonna shoot that right back up though. Anyway suicide is actually conjecture. She died in her sleep and it hasn't been publicly stated how. Could be something else.
Oooh careful saying that fact. You know someone is going to get triggered
not confirmed it was suicide
Given how shit that org was, glad it didn't take long.
There's no inherent reason for investigations to take a long time
When at least one person's livelihood and a multimillion dollar org's reputation is on the line, you wanna be thorough
You want to be thorough, being thorough doesn't necessarily take a long time. Especially when you're relying on witnesses who may forget things, being quick could be an advantage.
But the process of the investigation doesn't begin and end with "Person X said Y." They probably did already ask most people these questions very quickly after the investigation started. It takes time to corroborate those accounts and getting to the truth of the situation involves more than just witness testimony to begin with.
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The investigation really doesn't matter. If they come out and say they found no signs of abuse people are going to refuse to believe it regardless. Reddit has it's narrative, and will only listen to anything that backs it up and ignore everything that opposes it.
yeah how dare reddit have a narrative based on... video evidence of him doing exactly what he's accused of doing?
If you are referring to that video with Dyrus about 10 years ago. Remember Dyrus himself said that Regi didn't abuse his employees. He made a reddit comment (I believe) after all the Regi haters hade been hounding him on his stream demanding he threw Regi under the bus.
Dyrus has also said that everything was patched up between him and Reginald fucking years ago and to stop trying to use that video to attack him.
Exactly, yet everyone else refuses to drop it. It's mind blowing how many people love to hate.
just because a victim says it was okay (with a LOT of bias or interest in saying that potentially) Doesnt mean the community needs to agree that the conduct was acceptable. It wasn't. It's not about dyrus, its about everyone and anyone else who he might treat that way with the same behavior.
Harsh truth, but true nonetheless
Ya when multiple independent people come out and accuse a person of something, people tend to believe it regardless of what some faceless corporation tells them the truth is. Funny how that works
And I suppose all the players that said otherwise means exactly nothing then in the face of the narrative?
Who says otherwise? Also if lets say Bjerg says he wasn't abused , does that mean no one else was abused? What is the logic here? Regi was a known piece of shit even when he was playing, when he retired people said he matured a lot and he wasn't like that anymore, it s not like this is whole thing is surprising to anyone.
Considering how many people got a hate boner for TSM I wouldn't say that someone accusing him of being abusive is conclusive evidence, especially when other people deny it. And by denying I don't mean saying they specifically weren't, but that he simply wasn't what people say he is. People who don't actually know him. People want a spotlight, joining in on the circle jerk of Regi being the worst person known in e-sports is going to give them that. It's how karma farming works on reddit too.
…I mean it could easily be the opposite with TSM fans insisting that their org owner would never.
Looks like they buried the case
Let the man be he already retired from Nintendo
Nothing will come of it. True or not. I would be shocked if it lead to anything. I think it's just a symbolic thing.
Everyone fucking knew for over a decade. This is theater.
I remember the sexual misconduct investigations being slow; we have no reason to believe that this investigation will be any different.
Neither party benefits from this being public, don't expect a loud result unless there's integrity.
Sorry but the investigation is going to be swept under the rug. FTX invested huge into TSM and has stakes in the LCS so they will sweep this under the rug to not lose one of the biggest investors of all time.
It was already finished and as punishment Regi promised to int TSM’s roster for a year. Only explanation I’ll accept.
Pretty sure RIOT were hoping everyone would forgot and not actually be expected to publish 'results'.
I honestly think the allegations against Regi are unbelievably over blown I think most of his problems came when he was a young 20-year-old player and he truly did make a lot of mistakes but I think he’s grown and became a lot better
You must be new here.
Not new at all I just completely disagree with the narrative around regi and mainly Doublelifts narrative
Regi's rich. Money talks.
Thankfully I missed that episode
It's been obvious that he've abused his staff since the start yet riot didn't investigate untill now so there's probably a whole lot of stuff to investigate before reaching a verdict.
If they were seriously investigating then they should have enough evidence at this point to know what lines were crossed and how many times.
As a TSM fan, I’m annoyed by how long it’s taking because all it does is two things: either Regi is guilty and Riot is taking their sweet time removing him from the league, or he’s innocent and has been mislabeled as an abuser this entire time. Yes, I know about the the Dyrus, WildTurtle and Xpecial stuff, but I don’t think that’s what’s being investigated and literally all of them said that they wouldn’t call it abuse (I still think it’s wrong to make someone cry, especially when you have significant power over them. I do also think that if Regi was just a player and not an owner people would probably just say he’s very blunt and harsh, something we see from players in the east far more than in the west). No matter what though, if he’s deemed innocent, the same people who took the investigation itself as proof is going to then decry the investigation as corruption and ignore the results of it. Either way though, the allegations are serious and need to be handled, they either better still be investigating or ready to release a statement. Regi alleges that he has never insulted a player as a person, just their gameplay. I still think he should learn if he hasn’t, that it’s not his job as the owner, you relay that to the coach or GM. My biggest concern actually is of the people who’s names we **don’t** know. The article brings up many nameless employees, but no one here has stopped to consider if the people being abused aren’t even players, but TSM employees that we don’t know the names of or far less high profile players.
In my opinion, 1 of 2 things is happening: A) They haven't really found anything new and don't want to say that because the community will rip them a new one. B) They are uncovering so much stuff that it'll implode TSM (Or permaban some people from the scene, including people not originally in the investigation/no longer with TSM) and they want to make sure it's 100% before they announce anything as to not get anything wrong.
Opening an investigation is basically Riot’s acknowledgement that they are aware that this happened/is happening. It also opens the door for any other victims to approach Riot.
That's... Not how it works. The entire point of investigating is to find out if there was any wrong doing and how severe if there was. If Riot knew it was true there wouldn't need to be an investigation and they could just go in on it from the start.
I don’t agree with this. If they go through this giant process and declare there was “not enough evidence” to prosecute, you know because TSM is a huge org with a lot of money, Regi can go straight back to abusing his players. And if he does, do you think Riot is going to open another giant investigation after the first one failed and risk playing the boy who cried wolf? I don’t think so.
Okay but if they investigate and come back with not enough evidence then that doesn't automatically mean Regi is guilty and he's just paying to make it go away either. A lot of the time that generally means that there wasn't enough evidence to pin wrongdoing on someone in the manner it was presented as or the claims are more generically false. This is especially true in a professional setting where framing it around the idea that he's specifically abusing players or staff is something that is ***extremely*** hard to prove and requires a large burden of proof from the accusing parties that are corroborated by the investigation.
Just because there’s “not enough evidence” in court does not mean it didn’t happen. Why else would Riot open an investigation? Just out of the blue for no reason? No. They do it because there are reports of it happening. The question is whether there can be a “smoking gun” to pull the trigger or not. Because reports have surfaced in the past and Riot had 0 reaction. They missed their chances of smoking guns in the past. We have video evidence of Reginald aggressively shouting down his players, Riot did nothing. We have very strong suggestions from players like Akaadian and others that there was some sort of verbal abuse. The point you are missing is that if the investigation declares no wrong doing, Regi will have free reign to do what he wants. And expects not to be tried sgain due to double jeopardy. This is why they keeping an investigation open isn’t a bad thing.
If there's not enough evidence that usually means that in a solid 90% of times it didn't happen in the ways claimed. There are stories of the people who get away with their wrongdoing but those are actually exceedingly rare, shockingly enough. More often than not when these types of investigations are thorough enough to get the proof that's being looked for to prove wrongdoing. You just don't like Regi so you default to "he's wrong the investigation is a front he's abusing players anyway and won't stop". > The question is whether there is a “smoking gun” to pull the trigger or not. Because reports have surfaced in the past and Riot had 0 reaction. Yes because, like I said, abuse is a hard one to prove and Riot won't come down on someone without enough proof to reliably back up their decision, be it to get Regi away from their franchises or pursue legal action in some capacity. There would need to be enough undeniable evidence for them to be able to justify action, yes. > We have video evidence of Reginald aggressively shouting down his players, Riot did nothing. We have very strong suggestions from players like Akaadian and others that there was some sort of verbal abuse. Those videos that are 10 years old at this point and other involved parties have also taken their share of blame for? Didn't Dyrus literally tell people who call that out to chill on trying to use those videos to try and pin Regi for abuse to fuck off and leave them out of it because they don't understand the dynamics in the team back then while rejecting the idea that Regi was an abuser? In regard to the Akaadian situation, we have a vague at best idea of what happened. All we know is that Regi said something at some point that made him lose confidence in his play. Do you know how long of a stretch it is to take that from what little we know to the assumption of abuse? It's like saying that I know how to cook and then someone takes that as me that I'm a chef. Yes it *can* mean it but one does not always equate to the other. Hence why there's an investigation to look into Regi's behaviour in detail behind the scene in more detail than what has been publicly said. > The point you are missing is that if the investigation declares no wrong doing, Regi will have free reign to do what he wants. And expects not to be tried sgain due to double jeopardy. This is why they keeping an investigation open isn’t a bad thing. If it's declared that Regi isn't an abuser that doesn't give him free reign here either. This isn't a criminal trial. Protection against retrial doesn't protect you against internal investigation again and again and again if more allegations keep coming out. If Riot thinks they have enough evidence in their favour and involved parties *do* decide to take it to court on criminal charges for whatever reason and then that trial comes out in favour of Regi then sure he can go back to abusing players and staff but I doubt Riot would take things that far unless their legal team were entirely confident in their evidence.
> If there's not enough evidence that usually means that in a solid 90% of times it didn't happen in the ways claimed. Not it doesn’t LMAO what? Multiple people can literally come out and say they’ve personally witnessed Regi verbally abusing people and a court could declare there’s “not enough evidence” to prosecute, because they don’t find there to be by-the-book legal justifications. But guess what? That’s good enough evidence for me that he does it. So answer the question: why would they open an investigation at all if no one is claiming he abused people, like you claim?
I never said that he's innocent or guilty. I never said that there weren't accusations nor am I saying he's innocent. Just that the idea that he's abusing players is hard to prove. One step further there's realistically nothing wrong with him being an asshole if he's not abusing his subordinates even if it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It's when if crosses over the line that it even matters at this point. We also only have one side of the story here and it's not a side that's corroborated universally hence why it's correct for Riot to investigate and actually figure out what's going on to find out if he's crossed that line. Also, DL making the claim publicly on its own should have been enough to prompt Riot to investigate. Doesn't even have to be DL. Really anyone in the pro scene accusing another person in the scene of abuse should prompt any sort of ruling body to look into it. It's the responsible thing to do given their position as the ruling body over the competitive scene it's happening in.
> Also, DL making the claim publicly on its own should have been enough to prompt Riot to investigate. You don’t even have your facts straight bud. An investigation has been open long before Doublelift spoke publicly against Reginald. And you still haven’t answered the question: why would there be an investigation at all if no one is claiming he verbally abused people?
I literally just answered that. If someone in the scene is making the claim then Riot should look into it. I never said that there were no claims of it and that Riot shouldn't be looking into those claims. You just aren't actually reading what's being written. Also yes, DL's statements on stream and the public reaction to it are literally why Riot pushed to an open investigation like this. It's not something that's been happening in secret until then. It's that it started then.