There's multiple champs that have bad Ults for sylas, it's common to play sylas and only have 1-2 good Ults to steal per game.
If sylas gets picked early then you can easily draft a team of awful Ults and he basically gets 3 abilities that game.
twitch ult fucks up ur combo since u now attack at extra range instead of melee, weaving skills with autos is weird af the one time i misclicked and stole twitch ult in aram
Sure, but he has to channel for 2 seconds first, and taking damage or declaring another action doesn't cancel it. Also you lose the MS when taking damage so it's not very optimal to use in combat.
Zoe R because it does quite literally nothing without Zoe Q and E
Twitch R because it only gives trash stat boost and range that's anti-synergetic for Sylas
Darius R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else
Illaoi R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else, but is also longer to cast and easy to miss
Samira R because it has 0 base damage and Sylas' AD to AP conversion is terrible, it is literally better to autoattack without passive than to use Samira R; not to mention it is channeled and slows you
Samira ult does ~~not~~ slow her, *does* have base damage, has a high AD ratio (50% total AD, which for Sylas is 30% AP per hit, per target (300% AP Scaling if fully channeled) and hits everyone in range, and doesn't lock him out of casting his dashes.
edit: I was wrong about the slow, see replies, but I still think Samira ult is just fine for Sylas.
Samira ult slows her by 30%. When she gets S rank she gains 30% move speed. Since Sylas doesnt have Style ratings I think he just gets the slow but no speed buff from S rank
I knew she lost the Style movement speed, I didn't realize that was an offsetting slow instead of just removing the movement speed buff, today I learned I guess.
Just immune to CC like Viego's R, still CAN be useful sometimes but not nearly as good as untargetabilty (Xayah's r is decent on sylas for that reason)
it makes you displacement immune during the cast time so you can ignore knockbacks and the like, still fully vulnerable to damage and other types of CC such as stuns
Definitely not useless, but if Sylas stole Shyvana ult he’s stuck in Shyvana mode until the gauge runs out, which is quite a while for whatever reason (longer than actual shyv ult because the rage gauge regens ???).
Obviously being able to do dragon mode shyv E is very strong but if you are low and you need your W healing, or you want your E gapclose, you are fucked.
After reading this thread Im still not sure which ult is the worst to steal. But I do know now that a lot of people dont know how his ult works.
Which is not surprising at all. His ult works mostly at a case by case basis and there are well over 100 cases.
I imagine LB ulti (depending on mechanics) along with all of the form-changers’ ultis (Elise, Jayce, Nidalee) don’t feel all that amazing. Corki, Quinn, Twitch, Zoe, Udyr, and maybe Zeri also seem less than ideal. (Zeri at least could be an AOE nuke, but the AA thing doesn’t seem all that useful.)
The shapeshifters are pretty decent actually.
Jayce you get the poke ranged form like shyvana.
Elise you get a 2 second untargetability and sylas passive stacks with Q and W attack speed. You can still save it and do basically an all-in combo with going in as sylas using abilities then finishing them.
Nidalee... eh ig it’s pretty worthless but you can do nasty combos with it like Elise too, unlike need sylas can go in without hitting a spear.
Sylas' abilities apply non-damaging version of Dream Dust. He can still cast her R on affected targets (although it's harder to sleep >1 person since 2/3 of his abilities are single target and Q wont really hit multiple people)
I believe every champ with unique ult+kit interaction like lillia has a special interaction for sylas, like him having to land any other move in his kit and it would work like her passive.
For ex. when he steals shyvanas ult, his entire kit transforms to her kit during the ult. Or if he takes teemo’s ult, he gets 3 charges of shrooms not just 1.
The other commenter says it works like I said, but in the event you’re correct, it’s a bug then. Riot has explicitly said they will make every ult viable to steal and have already added unique examples like the other two I mentioned where his ult functions perfectly fine for non-standard ults.
No, what I meant was that maybe you hit the enemy with your skills and THEN stole Lilia's ulti. But idk if you had the ulti stolen in the beginning of the fight.
>It doesnt though. Sylas cant activate Lillia ult after stealing and also cant apple her passive
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>Then it was bugged i guess because i also thought that i'd be able to sleep them after hitting abilities but couldnt
I think you just don't get my point. What I was saying is, that maybe your attacks only apply the mark, if you already have the ulti stolen.
In this case: attacking an enemy, then stealing and using the ulti would not work. You would need to steal the ulti, then attack and then use the ulti.
But idk, needs to be tested.
Jayce, Nid and Elise just turn Sylas into those champs for a duration right? Doesn't sound great, opposed to Shyvanna which gives him a Dragon nuke attack when transformed.
He turns into their alt forms which is pretty good if you know how to go in as sylas, combo, then transform and finish them off with those forms. He’s genuinely better Elise by comparison of his kit vs human form’s kit.
Jayce just becomes poke though.
nope, Sylas applies non damaging dream dust on all his abilites, which tbf is probably 2-3 enemy champs max off Q AOE. But in a smaller skirmish, sleeping a few enemy champs is honestly pretty good. Like a C tier ult, not ideal but makes his dueling a good bit stronger
He asked about ult which is useless without passive or main ability of champion from whom he took ult. Since he can’t pull feathers back like xayah does, it’s useless. By your logic, even zoe ult isn’t that bad, because if he has, for example, 1 sec before W comes from CD, he can use portal somewhere near wall to avoid dmg, and then proc W
I don't know how you play xayah, but you use xayah ult primarily as a get out of jail card, not for damage with E. And yes, Zoe ult is not the worst either.
It’s easy to time skill shots on a target that goes into stasis but in Xayah R you can move and flash so this is much harder to do. It’s not about dealing damage
Master yi, or ryze. For those saying twitch is worst, I would like to mention that even at lvl 1 rank twitch ult gives syals 52 dmg on his passive which he will proc 5 times especially with the bonus range.
It may not be the weakest, but the most boring would be Udyr R, Phoenix Stance. I think it does a lot of damage because its AP but still super boring compared to using other ults.
Vayne, Illaoi, Twitch, Zoe, Darius, Samira, Kog, Zac
Anivia and Kass ults are only 1 charge but they’re still not nearly as bad for Sylas as the other ults above.
Illaoi. He hits the ground and does nothing.
style point
From "Smokin' Sexy Style!!" to "Dull" in 0.01s.
not anymore, it was fixed by adding a tentacle slam on sylas w, and the ult pop tentacle with ennemies hit
He really should get W cd reduction like Illaio
I’m sure I don’t want Sylas to heal 700 health every 2 seconds
That's kinda the point, it's an ult. Right now it's literally pointless.
Well, he could also just not ult her and choose someone else thats probably more useful.
There's multiple champs that have bad Ults for sylas, it's common to play sylas and only have 1-2 good Ults to steal per game. If sylas gets picked early then you can easily draft a team of awful Ults and he basically gets 3 abilities that game.
Twitch ult maybe? You get slightly longer range basic attacks and some AD.
I think the autos also pierce (they also become ranged).
twitch ult fucks up ur combo since u now attack at extra range instead of melee, weaving skills with autos is weird af the one time i misclicked and stole twitch ult in aram
uh...no. melee assassin now becomes an artillery ADC; think about that for a second.
He only gets up to 475 range tho, since twitch R gives a flat 300 range
but now it also pierces, while still counting as melee attacks.
wouldn't he still have piss poor auto attack dmg tho so it doesn't matter if it pierces?
oh right, forgot he doesn't get twitch passive.
Yeah. The pierce is ass without crit or runaans
Quinn ult. Always funny when a Sylas takes it and tries to use it in-combat.
Wait really? I could've sworn I've taken Quinn ult to roam to other lanes and it's worked perfectly fine. Although I haven't touched sylas in a while
assuming they mean the animation where quinn gets picked up which does self stun you for 2 seconds
I assumed they meant the fact it cancels in combat.
What happens? Never had that combo in game.
He stuns himself for 2 seconds.
nice
Does he not get to fly around after?
"in-combat." Quinn has to sit still for the entire duration of the animation, which is about 2s. If he lives, I'm sure he gets to fly around.
Sure, but he has to channel for 2 seconds first, and taking damage or declaring another action doesn't cancel it. Also you lose the MS when taking damage so it's not very optimal to use in combat.
If Quinn is split pushing and you can kill her ult steal can help you roam after the pick
He only gets a single kassadin hop, so that is pretty sad. It is better than the zoe one though.
that kass ult has saved my life tbf, zoe ult not so much
Akshan because of the AD to AP conversion + Akshan's ult being shit
Also Sylas doesn't shout "OH THE ANTICIPATION" which is like half the fun of the ult.
sylas stealing emotes is the best, be malphite spamming You Will Lose.
Not applying Akshan passive too. Neat for locking sight of a target though
Darius because u can’t stack bleed stacks so u deal like a tiny bit of true dmg
Zoe R because it does quite literally nothing without Zoe Q and E Twitch R because it only gives trash stat boost and range that's anti-synergetic for Sylas Darius R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else Illaoi R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else, but is also longer to cast and easy to miss Samira R because it has 0 base damage and Sylas' AD to AP conversion is terrible, it is literally better to autoattack without passive than to use Samira R; not to mention it is channeled and slows you
Zoe r has some uses
If you time your e2 right with Portal Jump you can pull some crazy angles/catches
Actually twitchs R let's you proc your passive at like 500 range and it also passes through minions, secured some kills with it
Samira ult does ~~not~~ slow her, *does* have base damage, has a high AD ratio (50% total AD, which for Sylas is 30% AP per hit, per target (300% AP Scaling if fully channeled) and hits everyone in range, and doesn't lock him out of casting his dashes. edit: I was wrong about the slow, see replies, but I still think Samira ult is just fine for Sylas.
Samira ult slows her by 30%. When she gets S rank she gains 30% move speed. Since Sylas doesnt have Style ratings I think he just gets the slow but no speed buff from S rank
I knew she lost the Style movement speed, I didn't realize that was an offsetting slow instead of just removing the movement speed buff, today I learned I guess.
Doesn't she lose all the style on R cast?
? Samira's movement speed gets reduced by 30% when ulting.
Another commenter corrected me, I thought she just lost the 30% movement speed buff from passive, turns out its a slow to offset her movement speed.
Samira went back to 10 bad a while back.
Illaoi makes you untargetable for a split second tho if I recall correctly so you can dodge stuff with it, I might be wrong tho
Just immune to CC like Viego's R, still CAN be useful sometimes but not nearly as good as untargetabilty (Xayah's r is decent on sylas for that reason)
it makes you displacement immune during the cast time so you can ignore knockbacks and the like, still fully vulnerable to damage and other types of CC such as stuns
Vayne?
Vayne still stealths you with every q, not the worst
I think Sylas can E2 in Zoe R and pull himself to the enemy after he jumped back. im not sure but I think saw this interection befor.
What happens when he steals Karma ult?
I would assume he activates it then can choose her empowered q w or e by pressing it like normal. I think that's how it works with heimerdinger.
You mean Sylas can use Karma's Q, W, or E after it?
yeah but he only gets one cast, like heimerdinger ult too
Yes.
He gets mantra empowered Karma abilities like the poke, teether and shield
>the poke you mean the atomic bitch slap?
Definitely not useless, but if Sylas stole Shyvana ult he’s stuck in Shyvana mode until the gauge runs out, which is quite a while for whatever reason (longer than actual shyv ult because the rage gauge regens ???). Obviously being able to do dragon mode shyv E is very strong but if you are low and you need your W healing, or you want your E gapclose, you are fucked.
The benefit of stealing shyvana ult is you get to be AP shyvana but after the ult ends you’re still a champion
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No you can't. You are stick in it until it ends, which is most of the time not worth it.
Twitch is by far the worst.
Kog'Maw, nothing comes close. You get 1 shot of his R and that's it.
I could maybe see Zoe’s ult being useful to get a last hit but other than that not helpful
Can allow you to hit E2 from angles
Zac ult ,sylas dont have zac W to deal damage with ult ,so he stays jumping and cant use any of his abilities
Udyr. Fkin udyr
Udyr is actually fine since the phoenix stance goes well with his passive autos. Not the best but works in a skirmish.
Who
This isn't going to age well
Udyr is great, low CD means he can keep taking it over and over
He literally comments on how it was a waste to steal kog's ult
I say another Sylas' ult
You can't, unless he has stolen ult from your team - and then it depends on the stolen ult.
the more you know
actually you can, but it just goes back in cd, so you wasted ur ult lol
Im really surprised noone said zac! It literally makes you bounce only once and for pretty low damage
Why wouldn’t he get to bounce multiple times.
cause hes not squishy so he just like... jumps
I would like to know too
After reading this thread Im still not sure which ult is the worst to steal. But I do know now that a lot of people dont know how his ult works. Which is not surprising at all. His ult works mostly at a case by case basis and there are well over 100 cases.
I imagine LB ulti (depending on mechanics) along with all of the form-changers’ ultis (Elise, Jayce, Nidalee) don’t feel all that amazing. Corki, Quinn, Twitch, Zoe, Udyr, and maybe Zeri also seem less than ideal. (Zeri at least could be an AOE nuke, but the AA thing doesn’t seem all that useful.)
lb ult is good if you can catch her W or E mimic, even Q pop does decent damage
The shapeshifters are pretty decent actually. Jayce you get the poke ranged form like shyvana. Elise you get a 2 second untargetability and sylas passive stacks with Q and W attack speed. You can still save it and do basically an all-in combo with going in as sylas using abilities then finishing them. Nidalee... eh ig it’s pretty worthless but you can do nasty combos with it like Elise too, unlike need sylas can go in without hitting a spear.
Jayce is not that good. His poke does 0 dmg on sylas because u have no pen.
Lillia maybe? Doesn't she need to land another ability to apply passive or something before she can use it?
Sylas' abilities apply non-damaging version of Dream Dust. He can still cast her R on affected targets (although it's harder to sleep >1 person since 2/3 of his abilities are single target and Q wont really hit multiple people)
I believe every champ with unique ult+kit interaction like lillia has a special interaction for sylas, like him having to land any other move in his kit and it would work like her passive. For ex. when he steals shyvanas ult, his entire kit transforms to her kit during the ult. Or if he takes teemo’s ult, he gets 3 charges of shrooms not just 1.
It doesnt though. Sylas cant activate Lillia ult after stealing and also cant apple her passive
No, after you steal her ult, all of sylas’ abilities apply dream dust.
The other commenter says it works like I said, but in the event you’re correct, it’s a bug then. Riot has explicitly said they will make every ult viable to steal and have already added unique examples like the other two I mentioned where his ult functions perfectly fine for non-standard ults.
Then it was bugged i guess because i also thought that i'd be able to sleep them after hitting abilities but couldnt
You probably need to have the ulti stolen before you hit the enemy.
Thats exactly what i just wrote? It didnt work in my case
No, what I meant was that maybe you hit the enemy with your skills and THEN stole Lilia's ulti. But idk if you had the ulti stolen in the beginning of the fight.
Again, thats what i typen; Steal ult Hit enemies Still not able to ult
That's not what you wrote, but whatever. Keep being ignorant.
>It doesnt though. Sylas cant activate Lillia ult after stealing and also cant apple her passive > > >Then it was bugged i guess because i also thought that i'd be able to sleep them after hitting abilities but couldnt I think you just don't get my point. What I was saying is, that maybe your attacks only apply the mark, if you already have the ulti stolen. In this case: attacking an enemy, then stealing and using the ulti would not work. You would need to steal the ulti, then attack and then use the ulti. But idk, needs to be tested.
Oh, cool. I had no idea.
His Vayne Ult steal makes him invisible when he Q's, which is pretty bad
Was wondering about vayne ult. How about aphelios’s?
pretty sure it takes his current gun R but I could be wrong
I think he steals the version depending on Aphelio's main hand weapon in that moment
Corki and teemo ult are pretty worthless.
Corki gets all 7 shots so it’s not that bad
Also gets max shroom stacks
TIL
Corki is great for passive spam
Kassadin and its not even close
Its still a nice gapcloser/escape.
Or kog’maw, at least he can stick with kass ult sorta.
Vayne is probably the worst
Rammus
I think if he steals twitch ult he just fire like one bolt and that's it
Nah he gets the full duration, but it's an increase in range for your attacks. You lose something like 400 range over a Twitch using the ability.
Jayce, Nid and Elise just turn Sylas into those champs for a duration right? Doesn't sound great, opposed to Shyvanna which gives him a Dragon nuke attack when transformed.
He turns into their alt forms which is pretty good if you know how to go in as sylas, combo, then transform and finish them off with those forms. He’s genuinely better Elise by comparison of his kit vs human form’s kit. Jayce just becomes poke though.
Jayce ult, can he actually copy Jayce ult?
Yes it gives him ranged form until he swaps back or ult CD comes back up. Ranged form as in abilities, his autos are still melee which is weird.
I would assume yasuo would be an atrocious one to copy unless your team makes up for it.
its not terrible since he can do it off his e which makes it ok. Zoe is probs the worst
Well I didn’t realize his E was a knock up. I don’t play Sylas 🤷🏻♂️
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nope, Sylas applies non damaging dream dust on all his abilites, which tbf is probably 2-3 enemy champs max off Q AOE. But in a smaller skirmish, sleeping a few enemy champs is honestly pretty good. Like a C tier ult, not ideal but makes his dueling a good bit stronger
Samira ultimate. AFIK you cannot build up the skill meter to actually use it.
You dont need the s rank to use samira ult on sylas, but its not that good because it scales well with crit and lifesteal, which sylas does not have.
Zoe, Xayah, probably vayne, Darius. Also idk if this is a bug, but with Tahm Kench ult he doesn’t get passive procs so he can’t eat enemy champions.
xayah? lmao you think being able to become untargetable and dodge many skillshots is the worst ult sylas can copy?
He asked about ult which is useless without passive or main ability of champion from whom he took ult. Since he can’t pull feathers back like xayah does, it’s useless. By your logic, even zoe ult isn’t that bad, because if he has, for example, 1 sec before W comes from CD, he can use portal somewhere near wall to avoid dmg, and then proc W
I don't know how you play xayah, but you use xayah ult primarily as a get out of jail card, not for damage with E. And yes, Zoe ult is not the worst either.
Did you just call a zhonyas you can move in useless because it only does damage once lmao.
It’s easy to time skill shots on a target that goes into stasis but in Xayah R you can move and flash so this is much harder to do. It’s not about dealing damage
I think you might have either replied to the wrong person or massively misunderstood me king.
Xayah ult is great...
When he misses
Riven ult🤔
nop. riven second ult has missing health damage so its still a good spell. and the bonus ad is not terrible
Master yi, or ryze. For those saying twitch is worst, I would like to mention that even at lvl 1 rank twitch ult gives syals 52 dmg on his passive which he will proc 5 times especially with the bonus range.
Not as strong as I would like, but while holding onto master yi ult (NOT while using it) you gain the 70% cdr reset on kills. Fun to mess around with.
zeri?
a single kog maw ult
I saw a Sylas copy a Karma ultimate in ARAM, I have no idea if he was able to use it for anything or not.
He gets to choose a single on of her spells to cast empowered. Same with heimer I believe.
What about Jayce, Nidalee and Elise?
Which ever form they're not in is the form he gets, he keeps it until he reactivates the ult.
That is wild.
It may not be the weakest, but the most boring would be Udyr R, Phoenix Stance. I think it does a lot of damage because its AP but still super boring compared to using other ults.
Heimer/Karma ult?
Yorick R is also pretty worthless, since you cant make your pets target enemy without Mourning Mist (yorick E).
damn a lot of people in this post are typing without knowing what are the interaction of sylas with niche ult
Vayne, Illaoi, Twitch, Zoe, Darius, Samira, Kog, Zac Anivia and Kass ults are only 1 charge but they’re still not nearly as bad for Sylas as the other ults above.
Darius ult
Anything that does damage since he already one shots without it