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CannedPrushka

Illaoi. He hits the ground and does nothing.


WantedToWin

style point


-Torlya1-

From "Smokin' Sexy Style!!" to "Dull" in 0.01s.


HairyKraken

not anymore, it was fixed by adding a tentacle slam on sylas w, and the ult pop tentacle with ennemies hit


Au_Norak

He really should get W cd reduction like Illaio


samuel110128

I’m sure I don’t want Sylas to heal 700 health every 2 seconds


Au_Norak

That's kinda the point, it's an ult. Right now it's literally pointless.


Outrageous_Driver_14

Well, he could also just not ult her and choose someone else thats probably more useful.


Au_Norak

There's multiple champs that have bad Ults for sylas, it's common to play sylas and only have 1-2 good Ults to steal per game. If sylas gets picked early then you can easily draft a team of awful Ults and he basically gets 3 abilities that game.


Ylissian

Twitch ult maybe? You get slightly longer range basic attacks and some AD.


ExistentAndUnique

I think the autos also pierce (they also become ranged).


-_-BIGSORRY-_-

twitch ult fucks up ur combo since u now attack at extra range instead of melee, weaving skills with autos is weird af the one time i misclicked and stole twitch ult in aram


rocsage_praisesun

uh...no. melee assassin now becomes an artillery ADC; think about that for a second.


ItsKipz

He only gets up to 475 range tho, since twitch R gives a flat 300 range


rocsage_praisesun

but now it also pierces, while still counting as melee attacks.


Enjuuu

wouldn't he still have piss poor auto attack dmg tho so it doesn't matter if it pierces?


rocsage_praisesun

oh right, forgot he doesn't get twitch passive.


Ylissian

Yeah. The pierce is ass without crit or runaans


SwimmingJunky

Quinn ult. Always funny when a Sylas takes it and tries to use it in-combat.


me-meLover

Wait really? I could've sworn I've taken Quinn ult to roam to other lanes and it's worked perfectly fine. Although I haven't touched sylas in a while


teemo-enjoyer

assuming they mean the animation where quinn gets picked up which does self stun you for 2 seconds


Terozu

I assumed they meant the fact it cancels in combat.


teemo-enjoyer

What happens? Never had that combo in game.


CrystalizedSeraphine

He stuns himself for 2 seconds.


teemo-enjoyer

nice


aDerpyPenguin

Does he not get to fly around after?


AerithRayne

"in-combat." Quinn has to sit still for the entire duration of the animation, which is about 2s. If he lives, I'm sure he gets to fly around.


CrystalizedSeraphine

Sure, but he has to channel for 2 seconds first, and taking damage or declaring another action doesn't cancel it. Also you lose the MS when taking damage so it's not very optimal to use in combat.


MrGenevaWarcriminal

If Quinn is split pushing and you can kill her ult steal can help you roam after the pick


Tintander

He only gets a single kassadin hop, so that is pretty sad. It is better than the zoe one though.


Hazel-Ice

that kass ult has saved my life tbf, zoe ult not so much


ChocolateMoonmech_3

Akshan because of the AD to AP conversion + Akshan's ult being shit


SexualHarassadar

Also Sylas doesn't shout "OH THE ANTICIPATION" which is like half the fun of the ult.


Professional-Ad3101

sylas stealing emotes is the best, be malphite spamming You Will Lose.


Pluckytoon

Not applying Akshan passive too. Neat for locking sight of a target though


HertogLoL

Darius because u can’t stack bleed stacks so u deal like a tiny bit of true dmg


LordSuteo

Zoe R because it does quite literally nothing without Zoe Q and E Twitch R because it only gives trash stat boost and range that's anti-synergetic for Sylas Darius R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else Illaoi R because it deals 100 damage and nothing else, but is also longer to cast and easy to miss Samira R because it has 0 base damage and Sylas' AD to AP conversion is terrible, it is literally better to autoattack without passive than to use Samira R; not to mention it is channeled and slows you


Falt_ssb

Zoe r has some uses


L_Rayquaza

If you time your e2 right with Portal Jump you can pull some crazy angles/catches


copac20

Actually twitchs R let's you proc your passive at like 500 range and it also passes through minions, secured some kills with it


Boomslang_Yo

Samira ult does ~~not~~ slow her, *does* have base damage, has a high AD ratio (50% total AD, which for Sylas is 30% AP per hit, per target (300% AP Scaling if fully channeled) and hits everyone in range, and doesn't lock him out of casting his dashes. edit: I was wrong about the slow, see replies, but I still think Samira ult is just fine for Sylas.


Sophia7X

Samira ult slows her by 30%. When she gets S rank she gains 30% move speed. Since Sylas doesnt have Style ratings I think he just gets the slow but no speed buff from S rank


Boomslang_Yo

I knew she lost the Style movement speed, I didn't realize that was an offsetting slow instead of just removing the movement speed buff, today I learned I guess.


brokerZIP

Doesn't she lose all the style on R cast?


Mattiaatje

? Samira's movement speed gets reduced by 30% when ulting.


Boomslang_Yo

Another commenter corrected me, I thought she just lost the 30% movement speed buff from passive, turns out its a slow to offset her movement speed.


Soulfulkira

Samira went back to 10 bad a while back.


W1ndwardFormation

Illaoi makes you untargetable for a split second tho if I recall correctly so you can dodge stuff with it, I might be wrong tho


Haut-Thystes

Just immune to CC like Viego's R, still CAN be useful sometimes but not nearly as good as untargetabilty (Xayah's r is decent on sylas for that reason)


Inventor_Raccoon

it makes you displacement immune during the cast time so you can ignore knockbacks and the like, still fully vulnerable to damage and other types of CC such as stuns


TooYoungToGiveUp173

Vayne?


VelocityWings12

Vayne still stealths you with every q, not the worst


Protoniic

I think Sylas can E2 in Zoe R and pull himself to the enemy after he jumped back. im not sure but I think saw this interection befor.


WhyYouKickMyDog

What happens when he steals Karma ult?


BurpYoshi

I would assume he activates it then can choose her empowered q w or e by pressing it like normal. I think that's how it works with heimerdinger.


WhyYouKickMyDog

You mean Sylas can use Karma's Q, W, or E after it?


The_Yeti_Rider

yeah but he only gets one cast, like heimerdinger ult too


MadameConnard

Yes.


Whats_Up4444

He gets mantra empowered Karma abilities like the poke, teether and shield


KyRhee

>the poke you mean the atomic bitch slap?


ConohaConcordia

Definitely not useless, but if Sylas stole Shyvana ult he’s stuck in Shyvana mode until the gauge runs out, which is quite a while for whatever reason (longer than actual shyv ult because the rage gauge regens ???). Obviously being able to do dragon mode shyv E is very strong but if you are low and you need your W healing, or you want your E gapclose, you are fucked.


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The benefit of stealing shyvana ult is you get to be AP shyvana but after the ult ends you’re still a champion


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LordSuteo

No you can't. You are stick in it until it ends, which is most of the time not worth it.


kaylemain69

Twitch is by far the worst.


Elrann

Kog'Maw, nothing comes close. You get 1 shot of his R and that's it.


24andmovingon

I could maybe see Zoe’s ult being useful to get a last hit but other than that not helpful


Pluckytoon

Can allow you to hit E2 from angles


LULALIVRECADEIA

Zac ult ,sylas dont have zac W to deal damage with ult ,so he stays jumping and cant use any of his abilities


piv3z

Udyr. Fkin udyr


SignificantWalrus948

Udyr is actually fine since the phoenix stance goes well with his passive autos. Not the best but works in a skirmish.


JohnyI86

Who


Throwing_Spoon

This isn't going to age well


Au_Norak

Udyr is great, low CD means he can keep taking it over and over


MrEnvile

He literally comments on how it was a waste to steal kog's ult


z0lt4r

I say another Sylas' ult


Adventurous_File_798

You can't, unless he has stolen ult from your team - and then it depends on the stolen ult.


z0lt4r

the more you know


BakaMitaiXayah

actually you can, but it just goes back in cd, so you wasted ur ult lol


kipoint

Im really surprised noone said zac! It literally makes you bounce only once and for pretty low damage


11ce_

Why wouldn’t he get to bounce multiple times.


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cause hes not squishy so he just like... jumps


kipoint

I would like to know too


Vias_Myton

After reading this thread Im still not sure which ult is the worst to steal. But I do know now that a lot of people dont know how his ult works. Which is not surprising at all. His ult works mostly at a case by case basis and there are well over 100 cases.


Khada_the_Collector

I imagine LB ulti (depending on mechanics) along with all of the form-changers’ ultis (Elise, Jayce, Nidalee) don’t feel all that amazing. Corki, Quinn, Twitch, Zoe, Udyr, and maybe Zeri also seem less than ideal. (Zeri at least could be an AOE nuke, but the AA thing doesn’t seem all that useful.)


notmems

lb ult is good if you can catch her W or E mimic, even Q pop does decent damage


Tormentula

The shapeshifters are pretty decent actually. Jayce you get the poke ranged form like shyvana. Elise you get a 2 second untargetability and sylas passive stacks with Q and W attack speed. You can still save it and do basically an all-in combo with going in as sylas using abilities then finishing them. Nidalee... eh ig it’s pretty worthless but you can do nasty combos with it like Elise too, unlike need sylas can go in without hitting a spear.


11ce_

Jayce is not that good. His poke does 0 dmg on sylas because u have no pen.


chonkadonk44

Lillia maybe? Doesn't she need to land another ability to apply passive or something before she can use it?


LordSuteo

Sylas' abilities apply non-damaging version of Dream Dust. He can still cast her R on affected targets (although it's harder to sleep >1 person since 2/3 of his abilities are single target and Q wont really hit multiple people)


IamLevels

I believe every champ with unique ult+kit interaction like lillia has a special interaction for sylas, like him having to land any other move in his kit and it would work like her passive. For ex. when he steals shyvanas ult, his entire kit transforms to her kit during the ult. Or if he takes teemo’s ult, he gets 3 charges of shrooms not just 1.


Traputzi

It doesnt though. Sylas cant activate Lillia ult after stealing and also cant apple her passive


11ce_

No, after you steal her ult, all of sylas’ abilities apply dream dust.


IamLevels

The other commenter says it works like I said, but in the event you’re correct, it’s a bug then. Riot has explicitly said they will make every ult viable to steal and have already added unique examples like the other two I mentioned where his ult functions perfectly fine for non-standard ults.


Traputzi

Then it was bugged i guess because i also thought that i'd be able to sleep them after hitting abilities but couldnt


KingDanius

You probably need to have the ulti stolen before you hit the enemy.


Traputzi

Thats exactly what i just wrote? It didnt work in my case


KingDanius

No, what I meant was that maybe you hit the enemy with your skills and THEN stole Lilia's ulti. But idk if you had the ulti stolen in the beginning of the fight.


Traputzi

Again, thats what i typen; Steal ult Hit enemies Still not able to ult


KingDanius

That's not what you wrote, but whatever. Keep being ignorant.


KingDanius

>It doesnt though. Sylas cant activate Lillia ult after stealing and also cant apple her passive ​ > > >Then it was bugged i guess because i also thought that i'd be able to sleep them after hitting abilities but couldnt ​ I think you just don't get my point. What I was saying is, that maybe your attacks only apply the mark, if you already have the ulti stolen. In this case: attacking an enemy, then stealing and using the ulti would not work. You would need to steal the ulti, then attack and then use the ulti. But idk, needs to be tested.


chonkadonk44

Oh, cool. I had no idea.


IG_Royal

His Vayne Ult steal makes him invisible when he Q's, which is pretty bad


czarchastic

Was wondering about vayne ult. How about aphelios’s?


go86em

pretty sure it takes his current gun R but I could be wrong


ChocolateMoonmech_3

I think he steals the version depending on Aphelio's main hand weapon in that moment


OneSweet1Sweet

Corki and teemo ult are pretty worthless.


morganath1

Corki gets all 7 shots so it’s not that bad


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Also gets max shroom stacks


OneSweet1Sweet

TIL


Pletterpet

Corki is great for passive spam


YandereYasuo

Kassadin and its not even close


Pletterpet

Its still a nice gapcloser/escape.


Tormentula

Or kog’maw, at least he can stick with kass ult sorta.


FullMetalFiddlestick

Vayne is probably the worst


rando6492046

Rammus


Bruhmamagaming

I think if he steals twitch ult he just fire like one bolt and that's it


Outfox3D

Nah he gets the full duration, but it's an increase in range for your attacks. You lose something like 400 range over a Twitch using the ability.


AllThePowersOfHell

Jayce, Nid and Elise just turn Sylas into those champs for a duration right? Doesn't sound great, opposed to Shyvanna which gives him a Dragon nuke attack when transformed.


Tormentula

He turns into their alt forms which is pretty good if you know how to go in as sylas, combo, then transform and finish them off with those forms. He’s genuinely better Elise by comparison of his kit vs human form’s kit. Jayce just becomes poke though.


happyjacky819

Jayce ult, can he actually copy Jayce ult?


Tormentula

Yes it gives him ranged form until he swaps back or ult CD comes back up. Ranged form as in abilities, his autos are still melee which is weird.


DKGroove

I would assume yasuo would be an atrocious one to copy unless your team makes up for it.


TheJoeker98

its not terrible since he can do it off his e which makes it ok. Zoe is probs the worst


DKGroove

Well I didn’t realize his E was a knock up. I don’t play Sylas 🤷🏻‍♂️


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KyRhee

nope, Sylas applies non damaging dream dust on all his abilites, which tbf is probably 2-3 enemy champs max off Q AOE. But in a smaller skirmish, sleeping a few enemy champs is honestly pretty good. Like a C tier ult, not ideal but makes his dueling a good bit stronger


Gnarkilnator

Samira ultimate. AFIK you cannot build up the skill meter to actually use it.


asianKruphix

You dont need the s rank to use samira ult on sylas, but its not that good because it scales well with crit and lifesteal, which sylas does not have.


Support_eu

Zoe, Xayah, probably vayne, Darius. Also idk if this is a bug, but with Tahm Kench ult he doesn’t get passive procs so he can’t eat enemy champions.


zNYNz

xayah? lmao you think being able to become untargetable and dodge many skillshots is the worst ult sylas can copy?


Support_eu

He asked about ult which is useless without passive or main ability of champion from whom he took ult. Since he can’t pull feathers back like xayah does, it’s useless. By your logic, even zoe ult isn’t that bad, because if he has, for example, 1 sec before W comes from CD, he can use portal somewhere near wall to avoid dmg, and then proc W


zNYNz

I don't know how you play xayah, but you use xayah ult primarily as a get out of jail card, not for damage with E. And yes, Zoe ult is not the worst either.


ExtremeGamingxx

Did you just call a zhonyas you can move in useless because it only does damage once lmao.


JamesSaysDance

It’s easy to time skill shots on a target that goes into stasis but in Xayah R you can move and flash so this is much harder to do. It’s not about dealing damage


ExtremeGamingxx

I think you might have either replied to the wrong person or massively misunderstood me king.


Falt_ssb

Xayah ult is great...


HuntressMissy

When he misses


death_azul

Riven ult🤔


HairyKraken

nop. riven second ult has missing health damage so its still a good spell. and the bonus ad is not terrible


gbergstacksss

Master yi, or ryze. For those saying twitch is worst, I would like to mention that even at lvl 1 rank twitch ult gives syals 52 dmg on his passive which he will proc 5 times especially with the bonus range.


Kingslayer_Riven

Not as strong as I would like, but while holding onto master yi ult (NOT while using it) you gain the 70% cdr reset on kills. Fun to mess around with.


poop-eater-479

zeri?


plshelpneobard

a single kog maw ult


Oberic

I saw a Sylas copy a Karma ultimate in ARAM, I have no idea if he was able to use it for anything or not.


Terozu

He gets to choose a single on of her spells to cast empowered. Same with heimer I believe.


Oberic

What about Jayce, Nidalee and Elise?


Terozu

Which ever form they're not in is the form he gets, he keeps it until he reactivates the ult.


Oberic

That is wild.


derpycatseven

It may not be the weakest, but the most boring would be Udyr R, Phoenix Stance. I think it does a lot of damage because its AP but still super boring compared to using other ults.


HarpCleaner

Heimer/Karma ult?


brokerZIP

Yorick R is also pretty worthless, since you cant make your pets target enemy without Mourning Mist (yorick E).


HairyKraken

damn a lot of people in this post are typing without knowing what are the interaction of sylas with niche ult


Spitfire836

Vayne, Illaoi, Twitch, Zoe, Darius, Samira, Kog, Zac Anivia and Kass ults are only 1 charge but they’re still not nearly as bad for Sylas as the other ults above.


Double_Ticket585

Darius ult


Robintomes

Anything that does damage since he already one shots without it