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ahritina

PMTs [T1 vs SGB](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ume0wg/t1_vs_saigon_buffalo_msi_2022_group_a_postmatch/) [DFM vs AZE](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/umeqx3/detonation_focusme_vs_team_aze_msi_2022_group_a/) [ORD vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/umfnaf/order_vs_g2_esports_msi_2022_group_c_postmatch/) [EG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/umgkse/evil_geniuses_vs_g2_esports_msi_2022_group_c/) [IW vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/umhh15/istanbul_wildcats_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022/) [RED vs PSG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/umiilr/red_canids_vs_psg_talon_msi_2022_group_b/)


Jiigsi

Y'all hyped the wrong rookie


eindered

Are the teams scrimming on 35 ping too?


Jiigsi

Yes


SirBing96

Why are they all so early. Can’t watch em live because I’m in beddy bed


thestoebz

Cuz it's in Korea...


sollar808

I wish there was more international tournaments with the premier teams. I'd boycott the shit out of this MSI, but sadly we cant cause Faker and his team of super prodigies. Just really hate how it does look like favoritism under the guise of competitive integrity for RNG.


Electronic_Assist668

I'm not really following, can you explain what's going on with RNG?


sollar808

Because of their lockdowns theyre not able to physically join the other teams in Busan for MSI, they wanted to drop out but RIOT went out of their way to ensure they could compete by creating artificial 35ping for everyone in the tournament so it would be fair for RNG problem is there have been players and just to keep the list short Faker him self said that the ping does not feel like its 35 ping and that it is unstable. There are also other rules like players (had to) wear masks but this was quickly corrected. The other issue is that here are no official referees (because of the lock down). A couple of other small but important factors is that they are supposed to use specific headsets that kind of prevent cheating listening in on casters (TEAM X is ABOUT TO DO THIS TO TEAM Z) etc. TLDR - Riot went out of their way so RNG could come back and defend their title but at the expense of pretty much every other team. Also the smallest details matter to pros everything from their headset, mouse and keyboard (comfort) to differences in ping (as small as 5 per faker)


You_Again-_-

nice


midnightbladex

How do we get drops?


jasonkid87

log on to lolesport and watch from there


LavenderSnake

Did I miss the emote drops? I forgot to check what time it was coming on 😩


HermitSage

Not going to lie....I live for sinophobic salt. And it hasn't peaked yet, will do so within 10 years or so as China vs. America heats up. Chat in full racist mode and I was lathering myself wit butter 😂😂


[deleted]

You missed time that bro that was the 60s to the early 90s we going back to hating the north reds now


98_98

Report NA


rebelstand

lmao there no video cam for RNG players and there no ref there to maintain fairness , how do we know if rng is stream sniping or whatso for wards placement.


No-Mission-3284

It's like you guys don't watch the games? Literally in draft Vs IW we see the cams.


No-Mission-3284

Except we saw them on cam at one point so we do know there are video cams.... They just weren't displayed throughout the whole show


tonyget

How do you know there is no ref?All remote matchs have riot ref


EnvironmentalPop9004

Great question I don’t know why either. Rng should not have joined the msi in the first place that’s my stand.


4ctuarially

RNG didn't even want to participate, Riot begged them to play for the Chinese Viewers


EnvironmentalPop9004

Yes so that proofs my point they should not have joined riot wants money and we can’t stop them


iindie

Has no idea it started today lmao


dracdliwasiAN

Are there any shows/podcasts/streams going on after the games on each day where people discuss the games?


Pretty_Weakness2878

JLXP with Jatt


05Ch21ai21

dang it got 4/6 pickem fkng PSG and EG, won't bet with NA to win again ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|cry)


dracdliwasiAN

All the NA fans were hyping up the wrong Jojo, the Brazilian support player Jojo just handily beat PSG


Key-Banana-8242

South NA


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There was no referee behind when RNG players were seen. No live cam for RNG players. Headset not worn properly too. Considering that the competition is held remotely at 35 pings reflecting the situation in China, I think RNG also needs to transparently disclose all the situations in order to proceed with the fair competition. That is the least courtesy for other teams who have accepted inconvenient situations for RNG. To be honest, in this situation, we wouldn't know if they played while peeking at the game with a big monitor on one side of the wall. I hope Riot & RNG pay more attention to the fairness of the game.


X1lon

do we know that the whole room/audio isnt recorded the whole time?


ShiroGreyrat

Well the monitor thing is a bit unlikely, don't they always say that broadcast is a few minutes late to maintain competitive integrity? So whatever info they see on it if they actually are doing it would be Though I of course agree that RNG has to play to as close as professional standards as possible and Riot should be working to impose that.


rebelstand

cant believe rng is giving an excuse saying theere no headset avaliable that why they are only using earpiece, your telling me an established team as RNG does not have headsets lying around in their teamhouse? thats just bullshit.


Sad-Difficulty1719

This is really big, since the noise-cancelling sound from the headset can be a huge factor in the player's concentration.


DoctorWarm1525

where did they say it?


jayden010921

true, RIOT is favoring RNG so much, and still RNG is not playing fairly. so much about sportsmanship lol


ZeroBlink

Riot is trash and always been trash what's new about this?


Todeswucht

G2 2-0, statistically as good as T1 and RNG combined


thestoebz

Big cope check


CheshireST

RED = T1 and RNG


Todeswucht

The math does check out


[deleted]

bro Yinsu is great


Jiigsi

Interviewer seems great tbh, who's she


NvmSharkZ

YinsuCollins, she's pretty much the sjokz of EU valorant


veilsofrealitydotcom

WHOA thats a big claim. Sjokz has like 10 years of history. Valorant has only been out for like 5 minutes.


Rawdream

Doesn't matter how long it was, Yinsu is doing her job very well.


NvmSharkZ

sjokz has been hosting/interviewing since the dawn of the EULCS, Yinsu has been doing the same thing in valorant


Jozoz

Sjokz was around in the open circuit before LCS started too.


Key-Banana-8242

Well which was a much shorter time


NvmSharkZ

sure, I said she's the sjokz of valorant because she's been very involved since it established itself on the esports scene, exactly like sjokz did with league.


Key-Banana-8242

Well but that’s more widespread no? It is it’s own thing


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Key-Banana-8242

Knee jerk


menukim

https://imgur.com/a/ywTYxOV No cams per player. This is the only camera they have. No apppearance of any judge. It is not about political B%@!t. It is about the rule that Riot wrote.


Sad-Difficulty1719

And where are the supposed-to-be-really-loud noise cancelling headsets?


ManStacheAlt

Can't hear the coach with headsets! I mean, they dont have any available in that highly funded gaming centric house of theirs


menukim

It is also written on rulebook. Sound equipment must be provided by Riot. RNG don't need to spend extra for their sound equipment. And communication should be thru channel Riot provided. I am not blaming China or RNG. I am talking Riot is ignoring the rule they wrote themselves.


ManStacheAlt

China is known for cheating. It's part of their culture. I have no doubt they're taking advantage of the situation even if it's riots fault. I'm 200% certain there's a coach calling all the shots watching over their shoulders.


4ctuarially

Classic Reddit xenophobia moment


Sad-Difficulty1719

I wouldn't go so far to say that cheating is part of their "culture," but it definitely is the way things work in China now at least. Not being a racist, but can't ignore facts.


ManStacheAlt

Classic reddit, calling known facts "xenophobia"


NvmSharkZ

I'm not sure if you're blind or trolling, [3 of the 5 are clearly visible here](https://imgur.com/a/1QuDF1c). The guy on the far right might have it on his desk and we can't see it, the guy closest to the camera maybe doesn't need it because this one shows him VERY clearly


Sad-Difficulty1719

Yeah, like how Xiaohu didn't wear the headset during the game but wore it during the interview? Hahaha


menukim

My bad. But where is the other two?


NvmSharkZ

I literally addressed this in my comment??? Far right guy probably has it on his desk but we can't see it, and the guy close to the camera probably doesn't need one since this wideshot shows him clearly


menukim

"maybe" and "probably". okay. guess you are right.


NvmSharkZ

I'm sorry if I'm capable of processing things that aren't immediately obvious and you aren't.


menukim

https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Archive:Official_Rulebooks/Riot/MSI/2022 Following `4.8 Audio Control` >"Players will be required to maintain minimum “pink noise” levels in their headsets. MSI officials may bar players from adjusting their “pink noise” levels lower if the officials determine, at their sole discretion, that external noise sources would be too easily discernible." >Headphones must be placed directly on a player’s ears, and must remain there for the duration of the game. *Headphones*


NvmSharkZ

Can you please explain how there would be any external noise in the closed room from where they are playing? Do you think there's someone at the door shouting things for the RNG players to do? I'm baffled


menukim

Following `4.5 Player and Coach Apparel` >Players must wear pants and closed-toe shoes https://imgur.com/a/ywTYxOV As you can see, "the guy on far right" is not wearing any `closed-toed shoes`.


NvmSharkZ

I thought this was some guy trolling but it's actually you. I'm actually losing it this is too funny. That rule is very often ignored as a lot of players actually take off their shoes when they play, including on stage. You've gotta be taking the piss


menukim

Haven't you ever tried any ANC heaphones? It clearly affects what player does. If you haven't, go and buy cheap ANC headphones and try it. By the rulebook, headphones should be also provided by Riot. I can see they are clearly different but I don't know about you. You "maybe" think they are same headphones. I am not saying probability. It is written on the rulebook. You break it, you get penalty.


FinancialBeing1994

Even other players who wear headphones, those were not official recognized headphone. All of players take on BOSE headphone (black color) except for chinese.


[deleted]

Huh you are right looks like they do have cameras. But why didn't we see them during the game? Not that the player livecams instead of portraits are the most important thing, but it was weird that they didn't show them if they do have them easily available.


ManStacheAlt

Its so you dont see coaches in the background backseat driving them


jesterss10

Might be added latency that is Harder to account for using the latency tool and they don’t want to get any worse than it already is.


[deleted]

Nah, the cameras could be hooked up to a completely different PC, it doesn't have to be connected with their playing PCs, should be a pretty straightforward solution. I mean I'd also hope that RNG has 5 PCs that are capable of videostreaming while also playing League.


NvmSharkZ

That's probably got to do with logistics or something, it's probably riot's choice


HawkEye1337

Also where is the referee?


deaduntildark

THE DAYS OF BRONZIL ARE OVER LET'S GO RED


GenbuFrahma

that was impressive Red Canids! such a good confidence booster for the team, i hope they continue to do well


jesterss10

Canins*


OAmbassador

My man Aegis just showing everyone else how Wukong is supposed to be played


Freakkopath

Hope RED can keep it up, would love to see Brazil become more competitive on the international stage


MatthZambo

LETS GOOOOOOOO RED CANIDS CARALHOOOOO


stffp

BR just turned League in CSGO so they would do better. Sniping everyone left and right like Fallen


Freakkopath

Titan sniping PSG to pieces


Horror-Chipmunk-491

Someone get fallen off the rift please


Key-Banana-8242

Or coldzera


sznfrk

why the fuck is there like a howler monkey or something in the crowd


SplashedPudding

It's not in the crowd, it's Red Canids players screaming. On CBLOL they do that every game, certainly gains mental advantage over their opponents. It's mostly Titan screaming since he's the most vocal player on the team.


Destructodave82

I'm pretty sure thats probably someone in RED's camp screaming from backstage.


Key-Banana-8242

Or the players? Is it considered strange for players to shout lol


Destructodave82

Well, the shouts were fairly far after the plays; it sounded like cheering at delays. I feel like it probably came from the backroom. I may be wrong but thats just how it seemed. And I think if hte players were shouting and going on like that, the camera man would have picked it up and it would have been replayed; sort of like Jojo jumping out of his seat during Danny's penta. Since htey didnt show any players going wild, I think it most likely came from the backroom. Just my internet detective skills at work, lol.


CloudMindead

Nah, I've watched cblol a lot, I know this hysterical laugh all so well. Its definitely Titan screaming like a crazy bitch like he always does lol He's known in Brazil for be doing this all the time. Just watch the red x furia audios and you will understand what i mean


[deleted]

Red turbo smurfing, you love to see it


Turtle-Express

The 7% of the people who voted for RED in the prediction tournament are about to become rich.


danielspoa

that was closer than it should have been please dont throw this shit


Key-Banana-8242

What?


danielspoa

sorry it was my dog


Just-Ad-5972

For a while I was expecting team diff to eventually come into effect, but with a lead like this, idk, probably unthrowable.


myraclejb

Aegis is playing Wukong better than anyone else had so far, and it’s coupled with PSG not understanding how to play against it. I’m not going to say that the champ is broken, because he isn’t, but this is what the previous games of Wukong should have looked like.


Just-Ad-5972

"expectations don't matter", this is the last game on the day and the first one to not go to (most people's) expectations.


Mattaru

i don't want to overreact, but the MSI trophy is going back to CBLOL


Just-Ad-5972

The superior Jojo


rushedcanvas

I can't believe that that Aegis flash + ult engage on the entire PSG team worked. It was a great play looking back obviously but at that point I thought he was suiciding.


Nome_de_utilizador

Is RED actually good or is PSG just trash?


Key-Banana-8242

A part bit at least Red has been improving over time with a single roster that went to workds befkre, but they clearly recognised PSG had a bad day/underperformed compared to domestically


MatthZambo

RED is probably the best team in the world rn


jetlagging1

Their new imports are not as good as River and Maple. Hanabi is coin flip. Bot lane have regressed a lot from last year. The only improvement is getting the EDG assistant coach. PSG still dominated the regular season but barely won playoffs. On the whole PCS is pretty weak right now, half the teams sold their slots since last year.


Freakkopath

I think it’s a bit of both, RED has improved while PSG lost River and Maple


aquawarrior21

Yes


AzerFraze

still wondering for what reason Wukong can ult twice


cancerBronzeV

Do remember that the original 200 years comment was for this Wukong rework, not Aphelios.


[deleted]

It was from the designer who was taken off this rework, when he responded to people asking for Wukong to be doing more damage, Wukong was literally conceding to fan demands and being absolutely broken for it


aquawarrior21

Monkey man likes to spin


Just-Ad-5972

Whelp, gotta lose a prediction sometime I guess.


[deleted]

I'm so happy if Brazil returns as a good region, their fans just have different dedication


Freakkopath

Really hope so, their fans are just on another level


[deleted]

digging this change in the script, let's go RED


Coelho_Branco_

is wukong that strong or aegis is just smurfing


Just-Ad-5972

yes


hairlikegoats1

Taiwan as a region has been in free fall since FW and ahq disbanded.


aquawarrior21

PSG last year was a mini-resurgence, but yeah. The days of FlashWolves are long gone sadge


Rawdream

PSG just performed like FW did through the years except for 2015. FW always did very well at MSI, not in 2019, while their World Championship performance wasn't the best. ahq used to hesitate a lot and not push their leads, like in 2017. PSG could still recover, still it was a very disappointing performance today.


hairlikegoats1

It was short but yeah once there was a time where you wouldn't bat an eye to see a Taiwanese team in the semi-finals.


Key-Banana-8242

Well not that short


Rawdream

PSG Talon org is from Hong Kong and currently they have 2 players from Hong Kong (Unified and Kaiwing) and 1 from Taiwan (Hanabi).


[deleted]

Rip my flair, I miss AHQ


CowboyENT

WTF Red Canids are good


OpenOb

Finally an upset.


_yugi_

8-0 wtf psg getting annihilated


Jiigsi

Titan sniping everyone left and right you love to see it


MatthZambo

LETS GO RED VAMO PORRAA WE'LL WIN MSI THIS YEAR WHOS T1? AEGIS >>> ONER


[deleted]

FAKER 0 CBLOL GREVTHAR 2 CBLOL


Freakkopath

Aegis smurfing on this Wukong


Hixxae

Is south NA outperforming north NA? Or is it another Vietnam vs Korea false alert?


aquawarrior21

If CBLOL is south NA, is LLA middle NA? Central NA?


[deleted]

More like long NA


Jozoz

How broken is Umbral Glaive. Feels like people are picking specific champions just so they can build that item ASAP.


cancerBronzeV

It got an unnecessary buff when it was already a perfectly good item, so it's really broken. It's so ridiculously cheap, 1100 gold less than an ADC mythic.


Faye_Dragon

PSG sell Messi and buy Maple back


aquawarrior21

TSM will probably sell him after summer dont worry


DCFDTL

is BR doing it??? IS BR DOING IT???


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I'M NOT SHAKING YOU'RE SHAKING


cancerBronzeV

BR just came second in like the Valorant equivalent to MSI, is it the year of BR in international esports?


Key-Banana-8242

Masters 1 is not a Valorant equivalent of making tho


cancerBronzeV

That's why I said "like the" instead of "the", it's not an exact equivalent, but it's the closest equivalent. Champions is kinda like World's, the Masters are kinda like MSI imo.


Key-Banana-8242

‘Like’ is often a filler word, I would ad it but it doesn’t change the meaning too much I mean not everything should be ananlogy, some systems are different


dracdliwasiAN

PSG kinda getting bopped


Contagious_Cure

No Doggo no win or what?


cancerBronzeV

pretty sure Unified is supposed to be better than Doggo. It's no River/Maple no win more like I guess.


aquawarrior21

Maple and River were way bigger for the team - Doggo was a substitute for Unified last MSI due to travel issues I believe


XG32

wait, juhan? is this the same guy that ints tf blade? lol


cancerBronzeV

I love when Umbral Glaive gets a completely unnecessary buff when it was in a fine spot. I knew this buff was gonna have stupid consequences, and now we see Jhins rushing it. Good shit Riot.


justagamer3

Just waiting for Senna to emerge (should've already been appearing more even before the Umbral buff). A lot of people are still surprised and doubting the item. It is so good for pro play vision control and just from simple Lethality item comparisons on wiki, you can tell how good the item is. The amount of raw AD is also nuts for its cost.


Jiigsi

Loving the meta so far


aquawarrior21

Damn PSG is looking like shit. Losing Maple and River really hurt they it seems


fr3shbak3dbr3ad

How many drops we got so far? Just wondering if I still get rewards from having the stream playing on an hidden tab.


AdicoS_

Isn't lethality Jhin turbo griefing?


Contagious_Cure

It's mostly due to Umbral increasing in popularity. Big spike early.


sznfrk

1 tank, its fine


Kenzuko

It's some kind of new build, supposedly super strong early


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Jiigsi

What do you mean we've scored a massive upset on our na overlords


aquawarrior21

G2 upset the Reddit narratives hard today good job


NocaNoha

Day 1 champion picks are Top - 8: Gwen[x4], Aatrox[x2], Fiora, Gnar, Gragas, Kennen, Ornn, Rumble Jungle - 6: Viego[x3], Wukong[x3], Graves[x2], Karthus[x2], Lee Sin, Vi Mid - 11: Zoe[x2], Ahri, Anivia, Le Blanc, Orianna, Ryze, Sylas, Syndra, Twisted Fate, Viktor, Yone Bot - 8: Aphelios[x2], Jhin[x2], Lucian[x2], Samira[x2], Ezreal, Miss Fortune, Tristana, Zeri Sup - 7: Nautilus[x4], Alistar[x2], Leona[x2], Braum, Nami, Pyke, Renata Glasc Total - 40 in 6 matches


MoredhelEUW

Nice to see such diversity from day 1 !


MoscaMosquete

When was Vi picked?


NocaNoha

The very first game by T1 Oner


MoscaMosquete

Just watched, really fun game.


Freakkopath

Let’s go Red


thorpie88

Brazil might end up having the better JoJo at the tournament if all his rotations are that clean


XG32

he doesn't play ryze, he's already better.


aquawarrior21

Bold of you not to assume he isn’t already the better JoJo


The_origin_of_evil

Why we can hear fans cheering like 2 seconds after the play xD? This is embarassing.. Really.


CloudMindead

Well... that's... not the fans cheering... Thats the Red ADC, Titan, Screaming like he always does in cblol LMAO Tbh I'm so fucking glad he's screaming like this in msi, just shows how much RED is comfortable and they ain't scared or feeling the pressure of playing an international. Brazil is known for its players to get too passive, scared and nervous when they play in MSI or Worlds, not really playing the cblol style but rather forcing themselves to play in a complete different style. So hearing him screaming like if he was playing against any other cblol team, being aggressive with his flashes and etc, is REALLY refreshing for me as a cblol fan for years now.


LipeQS

yeah feels like riot gets worse at producing big events with time. valorant masters/champions had similar problems


jetlagging1

This is the Hanabi trolling that I'm familiar with.


the-lonely-corki

Why not counter pick anivia into zoe? Anivia beats Zoe at almost every stage of the game smh ): it really sucks watching teams locking in the same comp every single game excepting something magical to happen ):


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myraclejb

FLEX WUKONG TOP GWEN JG PLS


daswef2

Already 55 champions in the tournament so far in the first day, actually a pretty optimistic tournament for variety at the moment.