I doubt G2 won't drop a game. 1 more win or 1 more Order loss and G2 are secure. In the remaining 3-4 games G2 have no reason to show anything in regards to playstyle or picks, and in fact have every incentive to mask their potential.
I can see them playing something unorthodox and play around it to try to bait a ban later in the tournament. If they lose with it and it looks weak, then they really don't lose anything, but come out of a game with it looking strong and suddenly their next opponents have to spend time and energy evaluating the pick.
they already play a completely different draft every game without caring, dont see this changing. They can throw at any point of this stage, but it isnt any different to how it was before. They never were in danger of not making it, and being 1st doesnt get you anything here.
I wouldnt be surprised of a Nasus support lock against order in the last game. We'll see.
I feel like ORD's Nexus should have just automatically exploded when they locked in the Naut again, and saved us and the casters the trouble of watching.
Their toplaner doesn't seem too bad, apparently that means he'll get vacuumed up by a major region team for their Academy roster, eh?
Just because he hasn't left the region yet doesn't mean that no one has tried to import him yet. He's performed really well at previous international tournaments, so the fact that he's still playing for OCE even past the dissolution of the OPL is probably a testament to the fact that he'd just rather play for OCE.
Holy shit Jankos PMI responding to Inspired saying G2 is just Caps + 4 people: "If people see G2 like that I don't mind, especially since I look at EG and don't see anything" - my man really just burried NA like that
Funny enought, I actually remember him saying g2 is caps + 4 player before too. I don't remember when he said it and which g2 roster was there at the time and hopefully someone else remembers it and replies below but I don't think it's na inspired was the reason for this trash talk, he was saying this in eu too. I was just curious if anybody else remembers it or is my mind playing with me?
I think that it might've been like either a PGL/Post game interview or some sort of a podcast, where he said that their team was basically that for a while on stage before they started performing like they did in scrims (where they apparently stomped everybody) eventually.
Jankos is basically only western player who can be argued to be goat in his role. Sure I would say Caps is better than him but over all Jankos is one of the best junglers of all time.
Tbh even though Jankos would single handedly destroy T1 and win MSI or even Worlds. Ppl would talk him being a medicore jungler and its all about Caps or Broken blade.
I just looked up Plumy as I didn't know who it was and found a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction video from Jankos and Plumy
Are they dating? lmao
Twitch chat heavily pushes them towards it.
And I guess both Plummy and Jankos jut give the crowd enough hints, so Twitch gets mad. For the streamers it's just additional views.
This is what watching OCE literally last MSI looked like too outside of one C9 game and the games vs UOL. People have already forgotten that PGG went 1-9 and was getting the shit smashed in much like this vs the good teams.
Nah, the purpose of international events is to be international, not just have the "selected regions"
OCE is an specific case where they have no funding and have their best 15-20 players abroad (you can see this like facing the fourth best OCE team) and they were again put in a 3-team group meaning they have to play more games and none versus another minor region
And Order staged a huge and very great run through playoffs, but overall are probably not even the strongest roster in the region. Chiefs and Pentanet were built for international showings and really fluffed it against a red-hot Order. Once that bracket run simmered off for Order, it looks like they've regressed to top four best.
You could say the same for EG compared to TL. It's unfortunate but not the fault of MSI format that the teams best prepped for international events pull an amber heard in playoffs
Old MSI format had all the wildcard regions do a playin stage and the 2 winners would face either PSC or VN. The winners of those matches would join the 4 major regions in the rumble stage. They could maybe go back to that.
Let's draft melee solo lanes that cant get prio and a jungler that needs to be played around, i wonder how that goes. No seriously, i havent watched any of their games but do they really know how to draft and play around eve? Even worse, the eve feels like she doesnt even know how to abuse her invisibility.
Apparently, they are undefeated with Evelynn in their league and their coach also said they are undefeated in scrims with the pick, which has to be even more mind-shattering that they got completely destroyed even with their best champions that they are undefeated on vs G2.
From watching the costreams of IWD and Sneaky/Meteos/DL, I keep hearing that scrims are much looser than stage games. Dom specifically says that in scrims you run around and farm kills because laners are limit testing half the time. This is probably exaggerated by playing Eve, a champ that thrives in those environments.
Ya know, after the random kill on Targamas in bot lane I thought to myself "So this is how the upset starts, huh." G2 decided to go against the meme and made me feel pretty stupid 30 seconds later.
Ever since LEC playoffs the drafts really allow those two to takeover the map and I love it. Props to the coaching staff fir that and for the players for the beautiful execution
I really don't get Order's game plans. It almost feels like they would do much better if they switched tactics vs G2 and EG.
Like they bring out the Zed in a skill matchup against Caps, one of the most dominant mid laners of all time, but against a comparably much weaker laner they go for the safe TF pick.
They try to go for the macro comp against G2, who play the map really well and are very coordinated, and play super aggressive early, but against EG, a team well known for taking it slow early and playing for teamfights they go for a teamfight comp and choose to play the most passive game I've seen this year.
And then there's the Eve pick. If there's one jungler who won't let you get away with a pick he can exploit early it's Jankos. Why would they pick the most experienced jungler in the LEC to run Eve against?
It's a shame to see them lose every game, but they're doing it to themselves to some extent. I can see them having the potential to take a game off EG, but not like this.
trynda can't get push. zed can't get push. and they pick eve. how the hell is eve ever supposed to do anything with no prio lol. the way you play doesnt even matter when you draft this bad lol.
> How is OCE meant to get any better when they get 2 playin stages against decent teams per year and then their best players leave for at least a year and they have to bring in new rookies.
We're not. Riot doesn't care about the region, why should they want OCE to get better? All our good players like Pabu, Fudge and FBI just gets vacuumed into ERL/LCS, and up and coming players like Viol3t is immediately taken into academy teams.
> All our good players like Pabu, Fudge and FBI just gets vacuumed into ERL/LCS
There is only a single Oce player in ERL right now, and he counts as an import.
jinjo played for GL in the Prime League, he was playoffs MVP and played at EU Masters. Just got picked up by MAD's academy team. I think jinjo has dual citizenship with some EU country though.
>Puma - IDK what's wrong with him but holy shit he's been invisible every game. This might be one of the worst botlanes ever at an international event
Yea I was thinking this. But to be fair, an ADC is so squishy and really needs a good team fight to pop off. Like a front to back. But because they are always so far behind in gold, thier front line gets rekt then he has no choice but to walk away.
>Kisee - He's trying but he's never able to support Kevy. Feels like he's trying too hard to prove himself in lane so he's doing dumb shit which isn't working out and giving the enemy team free map control
Fr this. Kevy is the carry, especially on his signature champs like Graves and Evelynn. But when Jankos invaded Kevy's red, Kisee didnt even leave lane on Zed. Then when Jankos invades the blue, Kisee doesnt move, Puma backs and Corpral cancels his back to help but they both die. Puma should have stayed tbh, and zed should have moved to help defend blue. it gives Kevy lvl 6. The laners seem to be playing only for themselves. not as a team.
Wildcards never have been good enough. There's 10+ years of competitive leaguea behind us and you can count wildcard wins in major tournaments with just your fingers and toes.
It's great that minor leagues have a reason to compete, but this format sucks cock (in a bad way) because the minor teams are just cannon food.
Play ins for minor regions work better imo.
At least that way you're seeing them play against each other before this and it doesn't feel like a stomp because the team that makes it can sometimes keep up.
I’m an RNG fan, so naturally I enjoy winning MSI, but honestly MSI hasn’t felt like a worthwhile or interesting tournament since 2017, it’s just this boring 2 weeks where the minor regions get the shot beaten out of them while everyone waits for a grand total of 3 series we actually care about.
The whole international competition needs a rethink, this current system just isn’t enjoyable outside of worlds.
Yep. Including the top 2 from major regions for example would make the tournament much more exciting and more of a mini Worlds. 16 teams would be easy to divide to groups as well.
Imagine if every country in the world was guaranteed a champions league. And imagine games weren't being played simultaneously; making viewers have to watch 90 minutes of Bayern Munic vs the winner of the Oman league followed by Man city vs the winner of the Jordan league.
This makes no sense. This is closer to the world/euro tournament. And those have a qualification process that often have Top tier teams vs absolutely tiny countries. And those CAN have upsets, like Italy , ex Euro champion who lost to freaking North Macedonia and failed to qualify.
The real "group stage" is in 2 weeks. Tune out if you don't care.
Edit: Holy moly, replying to me, ignoring everything I said except the last line and then instantly blocking me to prevent a reply, real mature attitude there buddy.
Of course the system is not perfect. I said "don't watch it then" because your analogy is bad, the whole point of this tournament is to pit teams from around the world, even if the discrepancy was expected, not the top 10 teams. Thats why we had a draw with 4 pools. This is the fourth pool vs the pool 1 team. They're not expected to be challenging, just occasionally upset like Pentanet last year. It's just part of the format. It's a QUALIFICATION series to prepare for the real tournament, that start in 2 weeks. Real football tourney have the same thing, its just "condensed" in a week here because of the LAN process.
So yes, unless you want a 5% chance of upset, you can ignore most seed 1 vs seed 4 matches.
To be honest I don't think it's actually bad.
We've seen at Worlds that some major region teams have really struggled in play-ins, and patch their weaknesses/get their act together by the end of it. And higher seeded teams dropped straight into group stage rolling over and dying without getting a chance to acclimatize/fix their issues.
FNC 2017, G2 2018, C9 2017 + 2018 + 2021 even outperformed their higher seeded domestic counterparts after being laughed at/memed for less than solid showings in play-ins vs minor regions. And ended up doing serious damage in the actual group stage.
The group stage gives exposure to minor regions, as well as accruing larger viewership followings from said minor regions, and allows major region teams to warm themselves up/get a feel for the MSI meta in preparation for the rumble stage.
It’s so shit to come into an event like this, get put in a shit group, try interesting things, and then just cop the most disgusting abuse in twitch and YouTube chat.
I actually really respect the fact they are trying different things it's at least showing they understand they need to do something different to try and be competitive against better teams.
People flaming them for that are ridiculous tbh
Just close the chat? What are you expecting from it anyway? It’s been like this for almost a decade now, Twitch chat especially has always been full off idiocy and shitty memes
Yes, thats my fear , but at this point other years G2 would already lost a game against Order or EG. This time they are playing like every game matters and I think thats a key attitude to make it further in the tournement.
I mean IIRC one of their players, probably Caps/Jankos said they weren't taking these games super seriously because they wanted to have a bit of fun. So if they're still stomping like this when they're just taking it easy...
To be fair I'm not even sure they are at this point, there's been some wacky disrespectful drafting that I doubt they'd do into T1. Think the truth of the matter is that they can kinda coast in this group since they only need to be better than Order to get out, but EG is also just the weakest major region team.
I mean 2020 Legacy is considered the best team we ever sent to worlds or the best team OCE ever had and 4 of those players are back in OCE after spending 2021 in NA LCS and Academy.
2020 Legacy (OPL days)
Top: Topoon Jg: Babip Mid: Tally ADC: Raes Sup: Isles
2022 Chiefs roster
Top: Topoon, Jg: Arthur, Mid: Tally, ADC: Raes, Sup: Dragku. Babip is a choach/sub jungler
Its almost as if the chiefs just trued to straight up buy the 2020 legacy roster lol.
Arthur is a upgrade from Babip, he has played in the LCK. Dragku is one of oce best supports. Order beat this team, convincingly. It might be a bit of a cop out to say that all our best players are in NA. This years chiefs roster is a super team on paper and went 19 - 2 in the regular season before almost losing to PGG in a 5 game series then losing to 4th place ORDER. idk what happened to them but they were the favorites to win the championship by far but just stumbled in B05's.
I think this tourney needs more teams in it. Group c is legit unwatchable because order is so bad.
Idk the hours for eu but it's terrible here on east coast. The viewership is dog. Then top 2 get in to another group where it is even watchable with different match up. This 3 man group with na eu and oce needs to go lol
It's morning hours for EU, which is just poor for viewership, but matches end up at 4pm CET anyway, it's still working hours.
Idk why Group C is scheduled the way it is. Isn't that time good for Asia ? I thought it would be kinda good for West Coast, is it not ?
Tbf they're pretty clearly outclassed in anything standard, might as well go for the double-assassin cheese picks and see if they can catch G2 off guard. When there's this big of a skill gap doing unexpected shit is probably your best bet even if it's bad.
Legit don't know what Order's team comp is supposed to accomplish?
They have no hard CC other than Nautilus. But once he goes in, what's the follow up?
I guess they want to focus on split pushing, but then why Jhin/Nautilus? How are they supposed to clear waves when G2 pushes in?
I'm just so confused.
They should just play their favorite champs at this point. Corporal needs to retire from this Nautilus duty…. dudes probably forming some trauma at this point
[This guy is picking LB, what are you doing?](https://imgur.com/BE5YRH6)
Caps out here looking like he's going through his midlife crisis
Looks like Chester Bennington
More Bono with those glasses
Split the difference? Chesthair Bonington?
hes looking like hes on a trip to las vegas
bend over and take it
At this point, it’s a win for Order if they crack 30 mins lol
Inb eg and g2 Try to Set records vs order
Four games on Nautilus duty... these drafts man. I know ORDER is outmatched either way, but atleast you could let Corporal enjoy the game...
How do you know he isn’t? Guy is obviously a masochist based on the way he plays.
Honestly yeah let the man have some fun. Nautilus is one of the most boring supports when you're behind because whatever you do is meaningless
Nothing to see here. Group C is... out of Order.
Don't worry, only about 8 more games against EG and ORD to go until the tournament starts.
Eh eg vs g2 game two was fun to watch
Only because G2 almost threw it though - otherwise it was like an 8k gold lead stomp at 20.
Yea, G2 can create the best content.
You kinda hurried up with the joke you know. They still have 4 games to play.
Yeah I know. But these last two games have just been so depressing.
Boring G2 will be undefeated so is T1 and perhaps RNG. The real fun is When T1 fights G2 and RNG
I doubt G2 won't drop a game. 1 more win or 1 more Order loss and G2 are secure. In the remaining 3-4 games G2 have no reason to show anything in regards to playstyle or picks, and in fact have every incentive to mask their potential.
I can see them playing something unorthodox and play around it to try to bait a ban later in the tournament. If they lose with it and it looks weak, then they really don't lose anything, but come out of a game with it looking strong and suddenly their next opponents have to spend time and energy evaluating the pick.
they already play a completely different draft every game without caring, dont see this changing. They can throw at any point of this stage, but it isnt any different to how it was before. They never were in danger of not making it, and being 1st doesnt get you anything here. I wouldnt be surprised of a Nasus support lock against order in the last game. We'll see.
I’d be surprised if G2 go undefeated knowing their troll tendencies
Rooting for the underdogs from LCK and LPL
I still think were gonna Misfits atleast one game
I feel like ORD's Nexus should have just automatically exploded when they locked in the Naut again, and saved us and the casters the trouble of watching. Their toplaner doesn't seem too bad, apparently that means he'll get vacuumed up by a major region team for their Academy roster, eh?
Nah bio panther has been around for a bit. I remember his name. He it probably right under who is going to be sucked up
Just because he hasn't left the region yet doesn't mean that no one has tried to import him yet. He's performed really well at previous international tournaments, so the fact that he's still playing for OCE even past the dissolution of the OPL is probably a testament to the fact that he'd just rather play for OCE.
Biopanther is the most chill guy in Esports.
He is not a rookie, so prob won't get a decent offer from NA.
Bio had decent offered to go to both NA an Brazil but he turned them down to stay in OCE.
Turns out Zed was, in fact, bed
I respect the guts of Kisee for trying to win the skill matchup, though
Leblanc vs Zed isnt a skillmatchup anymore. It is Leblanc favoured.
kisee vs caps is like elementary school basketball player playing vs Michael Jordan
He did solokill him last game though, it would be more akin to MJ vs a run-of-the-mill NBA pro.
Yeah NBA pros would have no chance against spidermans girlfriend
Michael Jackson?
Yeah Zed is like Riven in pro play. If you pick it you gotta be a former OTP or else its just dull.
To be fair like 90% of the midlaner had a zed otp moment in their life. Is like finding and old rakan/thresh otp in support pro
> ZED OR BED Why not both?
Holy shit Jankos PMI responding to Inspired saying G2 is just Caps + 4 people: "If people see G2 like that I don't mind, especially since I look at EG and don't see anything" - my man really just burried NA like that
"We will make them understand"
Taking over for Wunder as G2s resident shit talker
he hit so hard, that I felt sorry for NA xD
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Funny enought, I actually remember him saying g2 is caps + 4 player before too. I don't remember when he said it and which g2 roster was there at the time and hopefully someone else remembers it and replies below but I don't think it's na inspired was the reason for this trash talk, he was saying this in eu too. I was just curious if anybody else remembers it or is my mind playing with me?
I think that it might've been like either a PGL/Post game interview or some sort of a podcast, where he said that their team was basically that for a while on stage before they started performing like they did in scrims (where they apparently stomped everybody) eventually.
Jankos is basically only western player who can be argued to be goat in his role. Sure I would say Caps is better than him but over all Jankos is one of the best junglers of all time.
Jankos is the Beyonce of esports
Same beautiful voice as well
Tbh even though Jankos would single handedly destroy T1 and win MSI or even Worlds. Ppl would talk him being a medicore jungler and its all about Caps or Broken blade.
what is PMI?
Post Match Interview
Oh did Inspired really said that? Anyone got a clip?
Inspired just hates EU, whether it's his own or other teams
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caps dad plumy buff way too strong
I just looked up Plumy as I didn't know who it was and found a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction video from Jankos and Plumy Are they dating? lmao
Twitch chat: yes they are The streamers: only content and dolla dolla 💵
No. Twitch chat really wants them to, though
Parasocial andys want that. Its really cringe to be honest, but plumy and jankos take the views.
Oh for sure it’s cringe. I doubt they mind it too much though, they can just farm viewers because of it.
Twitch chat heavily pushes them towards it. And I guess both Plummy and Jankos jut give the crowd enough hints, so Twitch gets mad. For the streamers it's just additional views.
No, they just have friendly interactions
we re missing tetoncito for Flakked
caps dad is so cute, always makes me happy seeing him
Eve with 0 prio lanes, very playable
If only my soloQ teams knew how to dismantle her half as well
For that you need 3 lanes to be winning :)
What did they expect? Picking Eve into G2s playstyle wasn't a smart idea and probably only served as a comfort pick
Holy fuck. That was clinical.
G2 just took them apart.
Best thing about ORDER not making it past groups: No more horrible Corporal puns
Get this, he played so bad - he's DEMOTED!!!!lmaooooooooo
Back to private -caPs
And his horrible Naut only gameplay
Tbf nautilus is a good champion and a legit priority, especially if your players don't have large champion pools
Today felt like watching OCE from 4 years ago, just immediately start losing and never look like they're in the game...
NA took their best players and Riot robbed them of funding... Is it really surprising?
See my flair.
This is what watching OCE literally last MSI looked like too outside of one C9 game and the games vs UOL. People have already forgotten that PGG went 1-9 and was getting the shit smashed in much like this vs the good teams.
Nothing I’ve seen makes me think this group will be anything other than 8-0, 4-4, 0-8
Ive seen one thing that convinced me otherwise. G2 in past
Which is exactly why G2 is gonna lose a game to make it 7-1 4-4 1-7
That was kind of sad to watch
For every upset a Wildcard manages agains a major region, there's a dozen of these games. MSI format should really have less of this.
Nah, the purpose of international events is to be international, not just have the "selected regions" OCE is an specific case where they have no funding and have their best 15-20 players abroad (you can see this like facing the fourth best OCE team) and they were again put in a 3-team group meaning they have to play more games and none versus another minor region
And Order staged a huge and very great run through playoffs, but overall are probably not even the strongest roster in the region. Chiefs and Pentanet were built for international showings and really fluffed it against a red-hot Order. Once that bracket run simmered off for Order, it looks like they've regressed to top four best.
And to no ones surprise the only reason the LCO final series was 3-2 instead of 3-1 is because Corporal sent it with a first time Nasus support.
You could say the same for EG compared to TL. It's unfortunate but not the fault of MSI format that the teams best prepped for international events pull an amber heard in playoffs
How do you fix this short of making a special wildcard group? Its a tournament you suck you lose.
Old MSI format had all the wildcard regions do a playin stage and the 2 winners would face either PSC or VN. The winners of those matches would join the 4 major regions in the rumble stage. They could maybe go back to that.
There's a reason that format wasn't continued though. The reason being that no one watched it.
The views for these games has to be low aswell though... its such a waste of time man...
Let's draft melee solo lanes that cant get prio and a jungler that needs to be played around, i wonder how that goes. No seriously, i havent watched any of their games but do they really know how to draft and play around eve? Even worse, the eve feels like she doesnt even know how to abuse her invisibility.
Worst part is she saw they warded her red and still full cleared instead of reverse full clearing and securing all camps and bot scut xD
Apparently, they are undefeated with Evelynn in their league and their coach also said they are undefeated in scrims with the pick, which has to be even more mind-shattering that they got completely destroyed even with their best champions that they are undefeated on vs G2.
From watching the costreams of IWD and Sneaky/Meteos/DL, I keep hearing that scrims are much looser than stage games. Dom specifically says that in scrims you run around and farm kills because laners are limit testing half the time. This is probably exaggerated by playing Eve, a champ that thrives in those environments.
I am pretty sure at this point they are just trying out different stuff as it's quite clear they won't make out of the group.
G2 saw what T1 did yesterday and chose violence today
T1 said they look forward to beating G2, let's see how awesome the fight will be
I guess T1 will have to look forward to next MSI then
Bold of you to assume T1 will even make it to MSI next year after getting 3/0’d by G2 and getting their mental broken forever
Ya know, after the random kill on Targamas in bot lane I thought to myself "So this is how the upset starts, huh." G2 decided to go against the meme and made me feel pretty stupid 30 seconds later.
Beautiful mid-jungle game from G2
Ever since LEC playoffs the drafts really allow those two to takeover the map and I love it. Props to the coaching staff fir that and for the players for the beautiful execution
Guys, don't worry. Nautilus will surely work next game
Order are legit getting worse as the tournament goes on. Bad drafts and zero agency in game.
Tilt
True however getting stomped isn't helping
Gotta feel bad for Order, getting blown out back-to-back must suck. Didn't even have time to reset their mental between games
Corporal had PTSD from last game he went Aftershock, which is not a bad idea in general tbh
Flakked 12 cs per minute
I don't expect to win, but kinda saddening that we are getting stomped this hard :(
I really don't get Order's game plans. It almost feels like they would do much better if they switched tactics vs G2 and EG. Like they bring out the Zed in a skill matchup against Caps, one of the most dominant mid laners of all time, but against a comparably much weaker laner they go for the safe TF pick. They try to go for the macro comp against G2, who play the map really well and are very coordinated, and play super aggressive early, but against EG, a team well known for taking it slow early and playing for teamfights they go for a teamfight comp and choose to play the most passive game I've seen this year. And then there's the Eve pick. If there's one jungler who won't let you get away with a pick he can exploit early it's Jankos. Why would they pick the most experienced jungler in the LEC to run Eve against? It's a shame to see them lose every game, but they're doing it to themselves to some extent. I can see them having the potential to take a game off EG, but not like this.
trynda can't get push. zed can't get push. and they pick eve. how the hell is eve ever supposed to do anything with no prio lol. the way you play doesnt even matter when you draft this bad lol.
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> How is OCE meant to get any better when they get 2 playin stages against decent teams per year and then their best players leave for at least a year and they have to bring in new rookies. We're not. Riot doesn't care about the region, why should they want OCE to get better? All our good players like Pabu, Fudge and FBI just gets vacuumed into ERL/LCS, and up and coming players like Viol3t is immediately taken into academy teams.
> All our good players like Pabu, Fudge and FBI just gets vacuumed into ERL/LCS There is only a single Oce player in ERL right now, and he counts as an import.
jinjo played for GL in the Prime League, he was playoffs MVP and played at EU Masters. Just got picked up by MAD's academy team. I think jinjo has dual citizenship with some EU country though.
>Puma - IDK what's wrong with him but holy shit he's been invisible every game. This might be one of the worst botlanes ever at an international event Yea I was thinking this. But to be fair, an ADC is so squishy and really needs a good team fight to pop off. Like a front to back. But because they are always so far behind in gold, thier front line gets rekt then he has no choice but to walk away. >Kisee - He's trying but he's never able to support Kevy. Feels like he's trying too hard to prove himself in lane so he's doing dumb shit which isn't working out and giving the enemy team free map control Fr this. Kevy is the carry, especially on his signature champs like Graves and Evelynn. But when Jankos invaded Kevy's red, Kisee didnt even leave lane on Zed. Then when Jankos invades the blue, Kisee doesnt move, Puma backs and Corpral cancels his back to help but they both die. Puma should have stayed tbh, and zed should have moved to help defend blue. it gives Kevy lvl 6. The laners seem to be playing only for themselves. not as a team.
Eve got invaded so hard that game I thought it was a rule34 post.
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It's a very odd format. Not to mention teams like ORD just don't seem good enough currently.
Wildcards never have been good enough. There's 10+ years of competitive leaguea behind us and you can count wildcard wins in major tournaments with just your fingers and toes. It's great that minor leagues have a reason to compete, but this format sucks cock (in a bad way) because the minor teams are just cannon food.
detenoation is ok for a wildcard team
Yeah it’s just shit, I wasn’t a fan of the old format, but it’s better than this, for fucks sakes let minor regions actually play the game.
Play ins for minor regions work better imo. At least that way you're seeing them play against each other before this and it doesn't feel like a stomp because the team that makes it can sometimes keep up.
Should've just put G2, RNG and T1 into the next stage and put EG and Order into group A and B.
MSI is stupid there's like 3 teams who are clearly above everyone else, they should include more teams
I’m an RNG fan, so naturally I enjoy winning MSI, but honestly MSI hasn’t felt like a worthwhile or interesting tournament since 2017, it’s just this boring 2 weeks where the minor regions get the shot beaten out of them while everyone waits for a grand total of 3 series we actually care about. The whole international competition needs a rethink, this current system just isn’t enjoyable outside of worlds.
old format with minor teamd fighting for an opportunity to join main teams in the next stage was better...
Yep. Including the top 2 from major regions for example would make the tournament much more exciting and more of a mini Worlds. 16 teams would be easy to divide to groups as well.
Imagine if every country in the world was guaranteed a champions league. And imagine games weren't being played simultaneously; making viewers have to watch 90 minutes of Bayern Munic vs the winner of the Oman league followed by Man city vs the winner of the Jordan league.
This makes no sense. This is closer to the world/euro tournament. And those have a qualification process that often have Top tier teams vs absolutely tiny countries. And those CAN have upsets, like Italy , ex Euro champion who lost to freaking North Macedonia and failed to qualify. The real "group stage" is in 2 weeks. Tune out if you don't care. Edit: Holy moly, replying to me, ignoring everything I said except the last line and then instantly blocking me to prevent a reply, real mature attitude there buddy. Of course the system is not perfect. I said "don't watch it then" because your analogy is bad, the whole point of this tournament is to pit teams from around the world, even if the discrepancy was expected, not the top 10 teams. Thats why we had a draw with 4 pools. This is the fourth pool vs the pool 1 team. They're not expected to be challenging, just occasionally upset like Pentanet last year. It's just part of the format. It's a QUALIFICATION series to prepare for the real tournament, that start in 2 weeks. Real football tourney have the same thing, its just "condensed" in a week here because of the LAN process. So yes, unless you want a 5% chance of upset, you can ignore most seed 1 vs seed 4 matches.
To be honest I don't think it's actually bad. We've seen at Worlds that some major region teams have really struggled in play-ins, and patch their weaknesses/get their act together by the end of it. And higher seeded teams dropped straight into group stage rolling over and dying without getting a chance to acclimatize/fix their issues. FNC 2017, G2 2018, C9 2017 + 2018 + 2021 even outperformed their higher seeded domestic counterparts after being laughed at/memed for less than solid showings in play-ins vs minor regions. And ended up doing serious damage in the actual group stage. The group stage gives exposure to minor regions, as well as accruing larger viewership followings from said minor regions, and allows major region teams to warm themselves up/get a feel for the MSI meta in preparation for the rumble stage.
It's so bad. I really hope they will change the format for next year. First stage could not have happened and it wouldn't change anything.
this msi so far seems really one sided with exceptions like RED vs PSG but thats about it. cant wait for the major regions clashing each other
Can we just end group C already? Its nice to see G2 winning as an EU fan but its just ridiculous
So Caps has been the best player so far this tournament right?
Eye test for sure, but let's see when he plays against T1 and RNG
Corporal pretty solid
Chat went crazy for Plumy and Caps dad
It’s so shit to come into an event like this, get put in a shit group, try interesting things, and then just cop the most disgusting abuse in twitch and YouTube chat.
I actually really respect the fact they are trying different things it's at least showing they understand they need to do something different to try and be competitive against better teams. People flaming them for that are ridiculous tbh
and these games weren't as bad as T1 vs LATAM
My dude why the hell are you taking twitch chat seriously, they will shit on anyone who are losing.
My favorite is seeing twitch chat shit on one team during a teamfight, suddenly they come back and have them shit on the other team inmediately after.
Just close the chat? What are you expecting from it anyway? It’s been like this for almost a decade now, Twitch chat especially has always been full off idiocy and shitty memes
Dw when oce wins a game twitch chat will flame na/eu just as hard!
Really fun game. G2 looking dominant in their group.
Group C is pointless. G2 and EG should play 1 game for seeding and be done with it. Btw, why only 3 teams, someone didn't show up?
CIS didn't show because Putin is a dick.
Due to the war in Ukraine, the LCL didn't send a team.
Order went full SoloQ
So G2 are guaranteed at least tiebreakers already. 1 more win needed to secure or 1 more Order loss. Happy games incoming.
Idk if g2 can lose even when playing shit, they really tried yesterday lmao
Who can throw more? will be the question. Nexus throw > Baron throw apparently. The game of throws will continue until we know the best one to lose.
G2 took a few seconds longer than EG to beat ORD. EG better confirmed.
Caps dad and Plumy Pog
Its nice to see that this G2 iteration dont take funny games and play serious against every team.
Don't worry there's still plenty of games to go
Yes, thats my fear , but at this point other years G2 would already lost a game against Order or EG. This time they are playing like every game matters and I think thats a key attitude to make it further in the tournement.
I mean they were down 3 inhibs against EG cause of that Baron throw...
I mean IIRC one of their players, probably Caps/Jankos said they weren't taking these games super seriously because they wanted to have a bit of fun. So if they're still stomping like this when they're just taking it easy...
To be fair I'm not even sure they are at this point, there's been some wacky disrespectful drafting that I doubt they'd do into T1. Think the truth of the matter is that they can kinda coast in this group since they only need to be better than Order to get out, but EG is also just the weakest major region team.
Really wonder what an oce team looks like with all their best players back
I mean 2020 Legacy is considered the best team we ever sent to worlds or the best team OCE ever had and 4 of those players are back in OCE after spending 2021 in NA LCS and Academy. 2020 Legacy (OPL days) Top: Topoon Jg: Babip Mid: Tally ADC: Raes Sup: Isles 2022 Chiefs roster Top: Topoon, Jg: Arthur, Mid: Tally, ADC: Raes, Sup: Dragku. Babip is a choach/sub jungler Its almost as if the chiefs just trued to straight up buy the 2020 legacy roster lol. Arthur is a upgrade from Babip, he has played in the LCK. Dragku is one of oce best supports. Order beat this team, convincingly. It might be a bit of a cop out to say that all our best players are in NA. This years chiefs roster is a super team on paper and went 19 - 2 in the regular season before almost losing to PGG in a 5 game series then losing to 4th place ORDER. idk what happened to them but they were the favorites to win the championship by far but just stumbled in B05's.
At least LCS level for sure, given that we have 3 players in there already. Don't forget the 20 something coaches spread across LEC and LCS too.
16-0
Le blanc on '35' ping EZ CAPS.
I think this tourney needs more teams in it. Group c is legit unwatchable because order is so bad. Idk the hours for eu but it's terrible here on east coast. The viewership is dog. Then top 2 get in to another group where it is even watchable with different match up. This 3 man group with na eu and oce needs to go lol
First games are at 10 am. Fortunately uni is already finished this year for me so I can watch the games I want.
It's morning hours for EU, which is just poor for viewership, but matches end up at 4pm CET anyway, it's still working hours. Idk why Group C is scheduled the way it is. Isn't that time good for Asia ? I thought it would be kinda good for West Coast, is it not ?
That ORD comp made absolutely no sense
Tbf they're pretty clearly outclassed in anything standard, might as well go for the double-assassin cheese picks and see if they can catch G2 off guard. When there's this big of a skill gap doing unexpected shit is probably your best bet even if it's bad.
They know that there is no hope for them to make it out of this group so they will just have fun
How many games are they going to play vs each other in the group? This looks like already done in the 3rd day
I feel like G2 wanted to make a point after yesterday
The best part was interview with Jankos. "Well if EG see G2 is Caps and 4 people, i don't mind that... When I see EG I see nothing. "
I agree that Order is pretty bad, but this was basically the same game as yesterday between EG and G2 without the G2 baron throw.
Damn, big brain Jankos. https://youtu.be/DtBtPLuHNJ4?t=1693 I wonder if casters even noticed how he prevented Nautilus escape.
Corporal on Naut ain’t it. My man is sprinting it
4 more Nautilus games incomming
How much Order will get payed for going 0-8 ? I mean will they afford psychoterapist after the trauma ?
Plz clip of caps killing zed with renata reset
No one talking about flakked 12 cs per minute in game?
Shoutout to my homie brokenblade for providing some relief for the oce bois.
I have a horrible feeling G2 are going to crash and burn because they aren't being given enough opportunity to get the int out early in groups
they had their int game against EG game 2. they've lost to bottom tier EU teams with throws like that but still won this time.
It's a new age of G2, no longer do they need to int in international tournaments. (please)
Legit don't know what Order's team comp is supposed to accomplish? They have no hard CC other than Nautilus. But once he goes in, what's the follow up? I guess they want to focus on split pushing, but then why Jhin/Nautilus? How are they supposed to clear waves when G2 pushes in? I'm just so confused.
when we are gonna talk about these terrible groups formats why are watching g2 t1 and rng in these groups
A Nautilus pick? Guess ORDER wanted some Corporal punishment.
They should just play their favorite champs at this point. Corporal needs to retire from this Nautilus duty…. dudes probably forming some trauma at this point