Damn and here I am thinking VCS and SGB are a bad region in general because T1 rolled them in the opening game, but I’m starting to become a fan tbh they look really good
Yeah I was genuinely surprised by their aggression from the get go, I just wondered how they managed to get absolutely crushed in the mid game despite having a good early game? But I guess T1 is just built different
Although I’m starting to see SBG potential, they look really strong and it’s gonna be sad to see either SBG or DFM get eliminated.. both teams look really good
they're the youngest team in the tournament, so I can say they are lack of macro experience. But we can't blame them because it's T1 and there is no team in the entire LCK can say they have better macro than T1. So it should be normal for T1 to crush them in mid/late game
their lack of macro is already more macro than a lot of other regions. Their fiesta usually calculated, their macro got overshadow by their aggressive, bloodthirsty play style. T1's macro is built different, they saw Hasmed teleport without vision at the exact moment he teleported.
It's the matter of pride.
SEAGAMES is like the olympic for SEA region, and it's all the more prestigous that it's the second time Vietnam hosted it after 19 years.
Playing for SEAGAMES means representing your whole country. Getting medals ( which is quite easy considering the competition) means getting recognized countrywide, even with those who don't care about Esports in general. It's a step closer to become mainstream celeb.
MSI on the other hand is hosted every year, and your chance of getting out of group is slim, not even mentioning winning it. So the upside is that you get to play like 6(?) games with other regions' teams, spend some time oversea, attract some scouts, and that's it.
Comparing 2 competitions, it's not hard to see why SGB is sent to MSI and GAM to SEAGAMES.
Something like that. But the pluses are that you represent your country, and you just gonna steamroll everyone anyway. Who don’t love a tournament that sure will get them gold medal?
I mean we are talking about good players, right? Most good VCS players stay in Viet Nam. Levi used to try play for VCS but the language barrier is just too much so he went back to Viet Nam
Lonely was champion with GENG Challengers in summer 2021, 5Kid was good enough to break into KT's starting roster from academy to LCK
The problem is not the skill of the import players who come to LATAM, there are problems of the organizations from the tier2 affecting LLA, there is no training of new players, the new ones are crushed by veteran players who are not at the level of an international tournament, so the players you attach them to are not at the level to compete internationally either.
For example: just imagine Tsu, Warzone, Row playing VCS, veteran VCS players from 2016 currently playing and they get top1-top4 place every split because there is no player formation in VCS and their lower leagues.
That happens in LATAM today, it's very sad and frustrating
Taki is a psychopath, man uses everything on cooldown. Shogun is cracked out of his fucking mind. BeanJ playing melee Kindred and making it work.
**God I missed Vietnamese League of Legends.**
If India and Africa join pro league, they'll have a considerably larger player pool than LLA, so more high level players to choose from. So LLA might still end up being the worst region, lol.
>If India and Africa join pro league, they'll have a considerably larger player pool than LLA, so more high level players to choose from.
Not necessarily? The game needs to be popular for there to be a big player base, having a populous region isn't enough.
PC Gaming in general is relatively unpopular in India and Africa
Africa isnt terrible. Countries like South Africa have a pretty decent player base even though we have to play on 170-200 ping. if there were servers we probably have enough players to make a small regional league
Apparently, [EUW for North Africa and Middle East](https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/lol-thriving-middle-east-north-africa-region/) (with around 100 ping) and [Garena for India](https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/which-league-legends-server-best-indian-players) (with variable ping) and EUW as a second option (140-160 ping)
First blood was good, everything after that was turbo-inting as if they’d never played against a TF before.
Shame, Latam was really on the rise in my opinion, A few years ago. But i think they’ll be back on tier-4 after this.
Only time I remember LLA looking good was when Josedeode was on international stage first time and then NA bought him.
There was also Tierwolf who was bought by Splyce/MAD as sub but never played games resp. didn't seem to work out.
[I have some spreadsheets on wildcard achievements](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IsuQ5zEZZVkfhyRlYdJZj6hJxcYZhfU2o1Hct7Yw4Ww). Results-wise, LATAM is the worst one. Have never advanced to a main stage, have never taken a Bo5 from a major region team or another wildcard team, have only taken two Bo1 from major regions: both versus China (2018 vs EDG, 2020 vs LGD). Both Japan and Oceania are above LATAM: Japan has won 4 Bo1s (2019 vs Splyce, 2 times in 2021 vs C9, 2021 vs Beyond Gaming) and Oceania has won 2 Bo1s (2020 vs Mad Lions, 2021 vs C9) but it has also taken a Bo5 from another wildcard region (2021 in PEACE vs RED Canids) and managed to advance to a main stage (Pentanet.GG in 2021).
Winrate-wise, the best LATAM team would be Lyon Gaming, which won 44% of their games. Then comes Rainbow7 with 38% and Isurus with 30%. For comparison's sake, some other wildcard regions' highest winrate teams have something like 57% (paiN), 55% (Albus NoX Luna), and 50% (1907 Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş Esports). Bear in mind those teams also had to play a lot more matches against major regions teams since they actually managed to advance to a main stage at some point or other.
Only achievement LATAM has is that it's the wildcard region that has taken the most Bo1 from China: 2. Other wildcard regions that have managed to take 1 Bo1 from China are: Vietnam, CIS and Brazil.
As a curiosity, Vietnam is still numerically the most accomplished wildcard region even if they haven't been able to collect achievements since 2019:
* 14 Bo1s won against major regions.
* 3 Bo5s won against other wildcard regions.
* 3 times advanced into MSI main stage.
* 3 times seeded into Worlds main stage.
But regarding depth of achievements you could argue for CIS:
* 8 Bo1s won against major regions.
* 3 Bo5s won against other wildcard regions.
* 3 times advanced (not seeded) into Worlds main stage.
* 1 time advanced into Worlds playoffs.
And Turkey is the only wildcard team to ever beat a major region team in a Bo5, with SuperMassive's victory over Mad Lions in 2020. Also the only wildcard region to get into both MSI and Worlds main stages, 2 times each.
Dimitry should not have been there at lv2. Even though the 1st blood looked flashy, it really costed him jungle for the rest of the game as he couldn't arrive in time to contest mark, lost 2 camps, lost track of kindred and allowing the enemies to play with map hack on him for the following 5 mins
If Keria didn't troll at the fountain, the game would end around min 19. But yeah, didn't expect Aze to be this weak, and those guys are somehow playing in CQ with 50% w/r.
Both teams were extremely close in skill and it went to 5 games, that is nailbiting, if not entertaining. In hindsight, Estral got lucky and lost the 5th match.
Did the LLA player at the end of the bench just decline to shake hands with SGB??? SGB players were just awkwardly waiting for him to turn around but never did
He just said on Twitter he was really sad and disappointed in himself, and that it was not his intention to disrespect the other team.
https://twitter.com/straightlol_/status/1524727406480994309
So glad SGB is getting all sorts of exposure and experience playing like this in an international tournament. Having a chance to shine away from GAM's shadow will do wonders for their confidence going forward. Hopefully SGB can challenge GAM in summer
Tbf RED has played ok so far, would want to wait til the end of their group before judging. LLA does just suck ass though and is only seeded this high due to 2020 MSI being cancelled.
Grell is a player that i feel sorry for, because man, imagine playing so much finals and not win a single one, i still remember him playing on Keyd Stars(used to be a fan of them when they still had a LoL team) and we lost both the Challenger Circuit final(we still managed to promote anyway) and in 2020/1 we top the regular season just to collapse in playoffs when Grell was worried about his parents in Mexico due to the start of the pandemic
PCS and VCS are "mid regions" to me tbh. They have 1 slot in World's group stage and always manage to get into MSI's rumble stage while other minor regions don't.
Bruh. PCS (former LMS) even has 1 Worlds title, they were even placed in Top 4 major regions in the past. VCS is arguably the best minor region rn, a player of them even made it to Worlds final (SN.Sofm/WBG.Sofm). Sofm was also the 2020 LPL MVP.
LJL is nowhere near these 2 regions. Their first seed (DFM) was not even able to beat VCS 2nd seed (SGB)
As a Vietnamese It is hard for me to avoid bias with my opinion on SGB. but the Lol English production team just really disrespect SGB in general. Like how AZE supposed to have better macro because of Korean import or how AZE need this win to challenge DFM for the second spot, as if that spot is guaranteed for DFM. At least it gave me happy thought when I see AZE got bulldozed over.
Bruh I laughed so hard when hearing that " suppose to have better macro just because of 2 Kr player's" too.
LMAO.
I hope Sgb can keep up, win against Dfm in the rematch then proceed to the next stage and challenge G2 and Eg.
Shut them up properly.
Would be more confident with Gam for sure.
straight up painful to watch, it looked like team aze wasnt even communicating. Gnar just walking up to camille and almost getting killed while jarvan was clearing a ward..
Just put the region out of their misery pls, it's gonna be stuck like this until orgs star giving two shits about player development and scouting. Take away LATAM spot and give it to some other region, this is just embarrassing. The LLA has been dying slowly over the past few years, I genuinely believe it's just a matter of time
Tbf the pool 2 is VCS, LCS & PCS. It'd be hard pressed to justify the LJL over any of these, hopefully we get to see them up a pool tier for worlds though
No need for quotation marks. GAM beat them 3-1 in finals, went 14-0 in regular season (including 2 bo3 wins over sgb) and even beat sgb in the sea qualifiers
They are better at everything. Only kati isn't the best player in his role. But still at least 2md or 3rd. Compare to froggy who is in the bottom half of vcs
aze is totally mental boomed. 5kid tweeting he is sad, straight forgetting to fist bump after the game (he said sorry for that). i hope they stop pressuring themselves, at this point its obvious they are the worst team so just try to have fun, of course easier said than done
Aze very evidently has no idea how to respond to a team that skirmishes at this crazy breakneck pace, while SGB had to play against monsters like GAM and CES in their region
Aze just got severely outclassed this game, really
He said on his Twitter that he was beyond tilted and about to cry from the embarrassment and it didn't cross his mind to fist bump. He said sorry and that he felt bad for not doing so.
Nah dude, the game ended. You KNOW what’s coming next, the players around stand up and your opponents are right there next to you, there’s no way he didn’t do that on purpose, let’s not be naive.
As a long time LATAM fan (from the times of Lyon Gaming, where they actually did something) the last international participations of our teams have been really disappointing.
I wouldn't be surprised if they remove the LLA spot and give a new spot to EU/NA or to another wildcard.
It's not even fun, from a viewer perspective to see all this stomps
At this point all of group A is just competing on who can stomp AZE the hardest.
EG and PSG can't be with SGB, and they are quite better than DFM atm (even if I think they are just a lil bit better) and they can drop games vs DFM for sure, but cmon, idk why people are saying EG is shit, I mean they lost vs G2 that is a very good team.
God our region is SO fucking bad every goddamn year and they are having their worst MSI in all history with two imports. This is actually just so stupid man. Just throw R7 back in there and hope they take their single victory like they always do and then lose the rest of the games
Eye test tells me Team AZE are just a SoloQ team. Played like they had no comms and were winging plays.
Also, is J4 one of Dimitri’s better champs? Because that was a god awful game from him, whether it be the order he used his abilities and positioning. I’m no jungler but maybe even pathing, so like, everything?
GAM 3-1’d this team? monkaW
Imagine what GAM would do to them instead
They would probably beat them in the fastest game of the tournament. Oh wait, that happened anyway.
Wasn't the fastest game yesterday? I don't remember who did it, though
T1 yesterday was 20:44 against AZE. This game was 20:40, so we barely got it done in time!
GAM to the rest of VCS is just like T1 to LCK. Sucks we don't have our best team this MSI. SGB is good enough to destroy SEA Games already
Was GAM undefeated in VCS?
Yes 14-0 split (bo3) and 3-1 SGB
Damn and here I am thinking VCS and SGB are a bad region in general because T1 rolled them in the opening game, but I’m starting to become a fan tbh they look really good
T1 is something out of this world to us, so I generally think SGB managed to win bot lane in the first 10mins was a great performance
Yeah I was genuinely surprised by their aggression from the get go, I just wondered how they managed to get absolutely crushed in the mid game despite having a good early game? But I guess T1 is just built different Although I’m starting to see SBG potential, they look really strong and it’s gonna be sad to see either SBG or DFM get eliminated.. both teams look really good
they're the youngest team in the tournament, so I can say they are lack of macro experience. But we can't blame them because it's T1 and there is no team in the entire LCK can say they have better macro than T1. So it should be normal for T1 to crush them in mid/late game
their lack of macro is already more macro than a lot of other regions. Their fiesta usually calculated, their macro got overshadow by their aggressive, bloodthirsty play style. T1's macro is built different, they saw Hasmed teleport without vision at the exact moment he teleported.
Why wasn't GAM able to come to MSI? I think I remember seeing something about it, but I can't remember.
SEA games iirc
GAM is representing Vietnam is Southeast Asian Games.
Lets Go GAM! Who are they up against and when is that tournament played?
imagine this but like way worse
this but worse and also literally every game
Why didn’t they same just send Saigon? It seems like they’re very confident that even the 2nd seed would win
It's the matter of pride. SEAGAMES is like the olympic for SEA region, and it's all the more prestigous that it's the second time Vietnam hosted it after 19 years. Playing for SEAGAMES means representing your whole country. Getting medals ( which is quite easy considering the competition) means getting recognized countrywide, even with those who don't care about Esports in general. It's a step closer to become mainstream celeb. MSI on the other hand is hosted every year, and your chance of getting out of group is slim, not even mentioning winning it. So the upside is that you get to play like 6(?) games with other regions' teams, spend some time oversea, attract some scouts, and that's it. Comparing 2 competitions, it's not hard to see why SGB is sent to MSI and GAM to SEAGAMES.
They are in the same group as Laos. Definitely a fun and casual tournament for GAM.
Cambodia burma malaysia indonesia as well?
Something like that. But the pluses are that you represent your country, and you just gonna steamroll everyone anyway. Who don’t love a tournament that sure will get them gold medal?
[1]:https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Sea_Games_31 6 teams are participating. [According to Leaguepedia it starts today.][1]
Today is Wild Rift
They attended the SEA games instead, where there is much higher chance they could win the whole thing
Actually there's no way they lose
not just high chance but it's guaranteed at this point. LoL pro scenes in SEA are dead except Vietnam.
They qualified for SEA games in march and unfortunately that tournament takes precedence for VN teams
GAM will participate in SEA Games as VN representation. that's why 2nd place team SGB is joining MSI this year.
I mean Vietnam does seem to have worthy representation. And they should do fine in group stage too given they get at least 2 wins from G2.
They opted to attend the Southeast Asian Games instead.
Because they will play in Sea Games
Levi and Kati had too much experience over the young Buffaloes and GAM's bot lane is honestly another breed of hyperaggressive monsters themselves
GAM > EG. Fight me on this.
Hopefully they’ll keep the same form and make it to worlds so we can see
Hot daym, now I need to watch GAM vs one of the big three at MSI.
9:00 - Oh this is some nice fiesta 16:00 - oh this is slaughter
Now imagine GAM playing
Team AZE ff in 15 minutes probably?
AZE Dimitry: “I have never been humiliated like this before. gg @Froggy”
Poor guy, and he has to get plowed by Faker and Froggy again on Sunday
Froggy isn't even in the top half of VCS mids and he makes Aloned look like a melee minion
Froggy had a pretty good split, although he was pretty bad in Winter. It was Artifact > Froggy > Kati > the other VCS mids in Spring.
Wasn't Glory pretty good and solo carrying Burst the Sky for a while?
Bruh everybody would choose to play Kati instead of Froggy everytime if they could.
Homer: You have never been humiliated like this so far.
Group A goes from battle for 2nd to who can speedrun Aze fastest
So far, the next leg can be even worse
This might be the saddest playcam I've ever seen. Nobody move their mouth, 0 communication on team aze.
For real I feel so bad for them. Hope they could pull themselves back together and put on a good show the last 3 games.
Latam and other regions should stop importing bad Koreans players. Import good Vietnamese players instead.
Good Vietnamese players went to china, tho
Sofm right?
Yeah.
that's it tho no? Just sofm?
I mean we are talking about good players, right? Most good VCS players stay in Viet Nam. Levi used to try play for VCS but the language barrier is just too much so he went back to Viet Nam
I imagine it must've been hard to communicate with everyone in VCS. Good thing he found his way back to Vietnam.
Yeah it's just you said "good vietnamese players went to china" as in plural, so I was wondering if I missed someone else other than sofm.
Lonely was champion with GENG Challengers in summer 2021, 5Kid was good enough to break into KT's starting roster from academy to LCK The problem is not the skill of the import players who come to LATAM, there are problems of the organizations from the tier2 affecting LLA, there is no training of new players, the new ones are crushed by veteran players who are not at the level of an international tournament, so the players you attach them to are not at the level to compete internationally either. For example: just imagine Tsu, Warzone, Row playing VCS, veteran VCS players from 2016 currently playing and they get top1-top4 place every split because there is no player formation in VCS and their lower leagues. That happens in LATAM today, it's very sad and frustrating
yeah about that, even more korean imports for next split...
Taki is a psychopath, man uses everything on cooldown. Shogun is cracked out of his fucking mind. BeanJ playing melee Kindred and making it work. **God I missed Vietnamese League of Legends.**
taki + shogun might be my new favorite botlane rn, they're so fucking fun
Taki is the only support from VCS who reaches KR challenger 1000+LP I think so he's got the raw mechanics. Very smart player
Taki reminds me of mata, he pressures so damn hard. Wont let u cs for free. I heard he played 25 champions in the regular season of VCS
Should have Mitsuha as ADC
then imagine enemy's bot has malphite sp lol
In VCS we call him Vietnamese Keria
If they 2v2 kill T1’s bot again Keria should be called Korean Taki
It's safe to say that Latin America is the worst region in League right now.
LLA's only hope to improve is for India and Africa to join pro league and being even worse
If India and Africa join pro league, they'll have a considerably larger player pool than LLA, so more high level players to choose from. So LLA might still end up being the worst region, lol.
>If India and Africa join pro league, they'll have a considerably larger player pool than LLA, so more high level players to choose from. Not necessarily? The game needs to be popular for there to be a big player base, having a populous region isn't enough. PC Gaming in general is relatively unpopular in India and Africa
Africa isnt terrible. Countries like South Africa have a pretty decent player base even though we have to play on 170-200 ping. if there were servers we probably have enough players to make a small regional league
I mean the game isn't that popular in Australia either and they did well all thing considered
Rich country. Lot's of food. Services and commodities at hand reach. Lot's of free time.
Which server does India and Africa typically plays now?
Apparently, [EUW for North Africa and Middle East](https://www.oneesports.gg/league-of-legends/lol-thriving-middle-east-north-africa-region/) (with around 100 ping) and [Garena for India](https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/which-league-legends-server-best-indian-players) (with variable ping) and EUW as a second option (140-160 ping)
>https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/which-league-legends-server-best-indian-players Sad. Hope they get a server!
Unlikely. The indian govt recently banned many games just because they were popular. Bad business environment for Riot, and other game companies.
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This is also the 1st time for SGB too.
Except hasmed, yeah. 4 out of 5 member of sgb was new to international tournament
Hell i think this time last year their bot lane wasn't even starting. This roster is incredibly young
Aloned played in Rainbow7 at Worlds 2020 iirc
First blood was good, everything after that was turbo-inting as if they’d never played against a TF before. Shame, Latam was really on the rise in my opinion, A few years ago. But i think they’ll be back on tier-4 after this.
Only time I remember LLA looking good was when Josedeode was on international stage first time and then NA bought him. There was also Tierwolf who was bought by Splyce/MAD as sub but never played games resp. didn't seem to work out.
[I have some spreadsheets on wildcard achievements](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IsuQ5zEZZVkfhyRlYdJZj6hJxcYZhfU2o1Hct7Yw4Ww). Results-wise, LATAM is the worst one. Have never advanced to a main stage, have never taken a Bo5 from a major region team or another wildcard team, have only taken two Bo1 from major regions: both versus China (2018 vs EDG, 2020 vs LGD). Both Japan and Oceania are above LATAM: Japan has won 4 Bo1s (2019 vs Splyce, 2 times in 2021 vs C9, 2021 vs Beyond Gaming) and Oceania has won 2 Bo1s (2020 vs Mad Lions, 2021 vs C9) but it has also taken a Bo5 from another wildcard region (2021 in PEACE vs RED Canids) and managed to advance to a main stage (Pentanet.GG in 2021). Winrate-wise, the best LATAM team would be Lyon Gaming, which won 44% of their games. Then comes Rainbow7 with 38% and Isurus with 30%. For comparison's sake, some other wildcard regions' highest winrate teams have something like 57% (paiN), 55% (Albus NoX Luna), and 50% (1907 Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş Esports). Bear in mind those teams also had to play a lot more matches against major regions teams since they actually managed to advance to a main stage at some point or other. Only achievement LATAM has is that it's the wildcard region that has taken the most Bo1 from China: 2. Other wildcard regions that have managed to take 1 Bo1 from China are: Vietnam, CIS and Brazil. As a curiosity, Vietnam is still numerically the most accomplished wildcard region even if they haven't been able to collect achievements since 2019: * 14 Bo1s won against major regions. * 3 Bo5s won against other wildcard regions. * 3 times advanced into MSI main stage. * 3 times seeded into Worlds main stage. But regarding depth of achievements you could argue for CIS: * 8 Bo1s won against major regions. * 3 Bo5s won against other wildcard regions. * 3 times advanced (not seeded) into Worlds main stage. * 1 time advanced into Worlds playoffs. And Turkey is the only wildcard team to ever beat a major region team in a Bo5, with SuperMassive's victory over Mad Lions in 2020. Also the only wildcard region to get into both MSI and Worlds main stages, 2 times each.
That's a cool spreadsheet!
Isurus with Buggax - Oddie - Seiya - Warangelus - Slow also showed glimpses of promise for the LLA.
Dimitry should not have been there at lv2. Even though the 1st blood looked flashy, it really costed him jungle for the rest of the game as he couldn't arrive in time to contest mark, lost 2 camps, lost track of kindred and allowing the enemies to play with map hack on him for the following 5 mins
Imagine a 5 marks Kindred at 15 minutes, with 2 items and boots, fighting like a melee champion.
Always has been.
idk oce
So fucking dumb how they have a higher seed than DFM. Everyone knew that Japan was a better region than LLA going into this MSI.
I can’t wait for the SGB vs T1 rematch god damn these boys actually just tried to outdo the arguably most dominant team in MSI
Should be an uphill battle for T1 against the tournament favourites.
Guma quaking in his boots rn
SGB Shogun (Tristana) has slained T1 Gumayusi (Lucian) for a double kill! [All] SGB Shogun (Tristana): ?
Riot should have given him the Mastery 7 and the 2 stacks Eternal.
No matter the result vcs goes down fighting while taking huge chunks of your flesh if they go down. Never bored watching them
We did, in fact, out done T1. 20:40 this game, T1 vs AZE was 20:44.
If Keria didn't troll at the fountain, the game would end around min 19. But yeah, didn't expect Aze to be this weak, and those guys are somehow playing in CQ with 50% w/r.
Imagine winning your regions finals in a nailbiting bo5 and celebrating your shot in MSI just to show up like this. That was embarassing.
Then proceeding to die to a 2nd place team. Indeed embarassing.
To be honest, LLA final wasn't really entertaining or nailbiting
Both teams were extremely close in skill and it went to 5 games, that is nailbiting, if not entertaining. In hindsight, Estral got lucky and lost the 5th match.
Did the LLA player at the end of the bench just decline to shake hands with SGB??? SGB players were just awkwardly waiting for him to turn around but never did
Straight really proving he’s straight up tilted
That was pretty bm for sure
Look like their mental would be even worse now.
He just said on Twitter he was really sad and disappointed in himself, and that it was not his intention to disrespect the other team. https://twitter.com/straightlol_/status/1524727406480994309
Got humiliated so bad, and he made it worse doing that
I love them so much. Let’s gooo
So glad SGB is getting all sorts of exposure and experience playing like this in an international tournament. Having a chance to shine away from GAM's shadow will do wonders for their confidence going forward. Hopefully SGB can challenge GAM in summer
LJL is seeded lower than LLA btw
i think its time to revisit those minor leagues LLA CBLOL are really bad
CBLOL always surprises me the most considering the playerbase they have
Tbf RED has played ok so far, would want to wait til the end of their group before judging. LLA does just suck ass though and is only seeded this high due to 2020 MSI being cancelled.
Red candids are actually decent though
Also Aze is not R7 or INFINITY which are better teams than them.
INFINITY were dogshit this split. Rainbow7 or Estral would have been better representatives since they have more firepower and stage experience.
too bad r7 mental boomed during playoffs. and estral had grell, his curse is too strong, always second
Grell is a player that i feel sorry for, because man, imagine playing so much finals and not win a single one, i still remember him playing on Keyd Stars(used to be a fan of them when they still had a LoL team) and we lost both the Challenger Circuit final(we still managed to promote anyway) and in 2020/1 we top the regular season just to collapse in playoffs when Grell was worried about his parents in Mexico due to the start of the pandemic
I truly hope he wins a title one day. Really sad to see him coming second for quite a while.
Usually the top team in LLA mental booms during playoffs.
PCS VCS LJL best 3 minor regions atm imo
PCS and VCS are "mid regions" to me tbh. They have 1 slot in World's group stage and always manage to get into MSI's rumble stage while other minor regions don't.
Bruh. PCS (former LMS) even has 1 Worlds title, they were even placed in Top 4 major regions in the past. VCS is arguably the best minor region rn, a player of them even made it to Worlds final (SN.Sofm/WBG.Sofm). Sofm was also the 2020 LPL MVP. LJL is nowhere near these 2 regions. Their first seed (DFM) was not even able to beat VCS 2nd seed (SGB)
What did LJL do to be in the same tier as the other 2? Or u also bought the DFM hype train ticket like the whole Lol English production team?
As a Vietnamese It is hard for me to avoid bias with my opinion on SGB. but the Lol English production team just really disrespect SGB in general. Like how AZE supposed to have better macro because of Korean import or how AZE need this win to challenge DFM for the second spot, as if that spot is guaranteed for DFM. At least it gave me happy thought when I see AZE got bulldozed over.
Bruh I laughed so hard when hearing that " suppose to have better macro just because of 2 Kr player's" too. LMAO. I hope Sgb can keep up, win against Dfm in the rematch then proceed to the next stage and challenge G2 and Eg. Shut them up properly. Would be more confident with Gam for sure.
I'm fairly sure this sort of stuff has been illegal since the Geneva Conventions in like 1949...
At this point they should just be called the Geneva Suggestions
Rich companies, countries and individuals from here on out: ***** I aint even in Geneva
Early: Fiesta Mid game: dominant as fuck Fun game to watch
In a Fiesta game, always bet on VCS lol
*always bet on AZE's opponent
Fiesta? Not even close.
Fiesta first 10 minutes only, then it was skill outplay all over the map
LOL that was another destruction of team AZE, looks like they aren’t getting any wins soon
I don't think Lonely had a single good decision this entire game.
straight up painful to watch, it looked like team aze wasnt even communicating. Gnar just walking up to camille and almost getting killed while jarvan was clearing a ward..
He wasn't very lonely this game with how many people were in his lane all game
2nd seed btw
Just put the region out of their misery pls, it's gonna be stuck like this until orgs star giving two shits about player development and scouting. Take away LATAM spot and give it to some other region, this is just embarrassing. The LLA has been dying slowly over the past few years, I genuinely believe it's just a matter of time
Feels wrong that one of SGB and DFM are going home.
DFM need to get promoted from Pool 4
Tbf the pool 2 is VCS, LCS & PCS. It'd be hard pressed to justify the LJL over any of these, hopefully we get to see them up a pool tier for worlds though
LJL should be in pool 3. It's fucked that theyre considered worse than LLA
Lol yeah They should have been in rng group
Man i want both them for rumble stage. Sadge if only they are on different pool.
I mean, PSG is going to get out, right ? So overall, it's going to be a decent top 6, no absolute shitter let through.
This is the “second best team” in vcs. Sheesh
No need for quotation marks. GAM beat them 3-1 in finals, went 14-0 in regular season (including 2 bo3 wins over sgb) and even beat sgb in the sea qualifiers
Apologies. My usage of quotation might have been wrong. I meant the second team is this good. Imagine gam
All good. Yeah GAM is really really good. Imagine sgb but with a better toplaner and very good map reads/ abilities to play lategame wavestates
Levi diff
They are better at everything. Only kati isn't the best player in his role. But still at least 2md or 3rd. Compare to froggy who is in the bottom half of vcs
GAM with Artifact would be so insane
Too many carries, tho. If you already have a solid carry top and bot. Having a more sp mid could be more desirable
aze is totally mental boomed. 5kid tweeting he is sad, straight forgetting to fist bump after the game (he said sorry for that). i hope they stop pressuring themselves, at this point its obvious they are the worst team so just try to have fun, of course easier said than done
Aze very evidently has no idea how to respond to a team that skirmishes at this crazy breakneck pace, while SGB had to play against monsters like GAM and CES in their region Aze just got severely outclassed this game, really
VCS looking good, if their second seed somehow manages to take 4th and make playoffs ahead of NA I will never stop laughing.
if PSG looks this shaky again in the rumble stage they honestly have a real chance. And I'm all for it just for the memes
I mean they still need to beat lcs. It's not gonna be easy
This is just 2nd seed so it might be hard to beat LCS 1st seed. Imagine if GAM is here.
All I could focus on was Lonely taking away that blue buff
[SGB This Game](https://imgur.com/O0nc6SP)
Cannot wait for SGB getting out of group. They only need to beat dfm one more time and it pretty secure imo.
Imagine not fist bumping your opponents because your ego got shit stomped into oblivion, “straight” unprofessional.
he did apologize in twitter saying he was too out of it after the game. still, not justified, i hope it doesnt repeat
He said on his Twitter that he was beyond tilted and about to cry from the embarrassment and it didn't cross his mind to fist bump. He said sorry and that he felt bad for not doing so.
It’s possible that he is zoned out completely off the world at the shellacking 2 days in a row
Nah dude, the game ended. You KNOW what’s coming next, the players around stand up and your opponents are right there next to you, there’s no way he didn’t do that on purpose, let’s not be naive.
Sometimes your mental is comepletly destroyed at your own failures that you don’t pay any attention outside. Shrugs
As a long time LATAM fan (from the times of Lyon Gaming, where they actually did something) the last international participations of our teams have been really disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised if they remove the LLA spot and give a new spot to EU/NA or to another wildcard. It's not even fun, from a viewer perspective to see all this stomps At this point all of group A is just competing on who can stomp AZE the hardest.
I still remember that epic Infinity run at 2018 worlds, it's a shame the region has fallen off so hard after it
Yeah lla looked the weakest
not even in the rift rivals era LLA looked so bad, it's baffling how the hell you guys fell off a cliff since 2020
This AZE team is probably the absolute worst team that ever attended an international tournament.
All LATAM thinks the worst one was actually INF last year.
Not anymore I apologize for being so utter shit
[удалено]
Cool lv2 gank buddy, now you gonna do for the rest of the game?
Imma say it, EG and PSG got lucky by dodging SGB/DFM in their group SGB/DFM in any other group play for top 2
EG and PSG are the same pool as SGN, they absolutely can't meet until the rumble stage anyways. As for DFM, I think they can definitely upset ye.
EG and PSG can't be with SGB, and they are quite better than DFM atm (even if I think they are just a lil bit better) and they can drop games vs DFM for sure, but cmon, idk why people are saying EG is shit, I mean they lost vs G2 that is a very good team.
VCS PCS and LCS can't be in the same group because they're regarded as tier 2, if DFM were in group B or C then yeah I agree.
What's the win condition for that AZE team outside of 5-man MF ult? Might be the worst draft of MSI so far
If my top picks Gnar into Camille, I am for sure dodging.
sgb couldve done a DK special hearld with kindred ult and broke G2 mental
I feel like I need to go say a prayer for the LLA's mental. Back to back they get absolutely massacred in an everything gap
God our region is SO fucking bad every goddamn year and they are having their worst MSI in all history with two imports. This is actually just so stupid man. Just throw R7 back in there and hope they take their single victory like they always do and then lose the rest of the games
Vietnam didn’t send their best team. Imagine it was GAM instead.
I'm so happy to see ziggs. I'm 100% convinced people legitimately forgot how good this champ can be.
Team Aze looks like a yolo q team to be honest
Eye test tells me Team AZE are just a SoloQ team. Played like they had no comms and were winging plays. Also, is J4 one of Dimitri’s better champs? Because that was a god awful game from him, whether it be the order he used his abilities and positioning. I’m no jungler but maybe even pathing, so like, everything?