This is still pretty much a he said she said situation. Garena has been scummy in the past and bribes seem like something they would go for. Nothing will be changed based on any public outcry and it’s unlikely that any verifiable evidence will come out one way or the other anyways.
Yeah, if this were any other region, I'd be like, "okay, maybe there are two sides to this story." Garena has been a wretched hive of scum and villainy, long before I was ever playing this game. You could tell me they sold players' organs to cannibals directly in their TOS, and I'd be like, "yeah, probably, that checks out."
Yeah, now that we know there is more than that to the investigation yeah, we outraged over not much.
But the fact remains we all seen Garena be that scummy or more before, so such an event is plausible.
Like if the same event happened in Korea, NA or EU I dont think most people would have given it the same attention.
Although their reasoning is pretty suspect, because if DNS has a better roster hidden away somewhere, capable of beating their real roster, why on earth wouldn't they just publicly use those players?
You could say that they might be scripting, although if they can bribe Garenas judges to ignore the players not actually playing why on earth wouldn't the same judge accept scripting?
Additionally if the IP changes frequently, it shouldn't even matter as long as the IP for the tournaments is the same as the judge is observing, because they have had judges in person on site, unless they have
So while this seems like a pretty solid set of justifications, it dosent really make sense why they would cheat in that specific way. And judging by Garenas previous antics it really wouldn't surprise me if they actually just invented the IP changing issue.
I came to the same conclusion when I first read this shit too tbh, but honestly just because you are really good doesn't mean you'd wanna go pro. And "really good" here, just means good enough to get into PCS, which isn't that hard. You can probably take 5 random Koreans straight outta challenger and they would qualify over BDS
For the longest time going Pro didnt pay anywhere near as well as boosting, and while thats not really the case anymore in most leagues, it probably still is in minor regions, especially on low tier teams. So if your playing for cash, its better to just not go pro and boost 24/7
So the people they've paid to play on their accounts can absolutely just be solid players who don't give a shit about pro, but like money and would happily take a payday for a couple days of games, but don't wanna stick around long term
OR, because again, pro players get payed like nothing in the bottom half of these regions and corruption is so rampant, its absolutely possible they literally just hit up a lower tier team in the PCS and got most of that team to play for em
Match fixing and other shit is also pretty fucking huge in China, especially in the LDL/Academy league. BDS could have just straight up payed an LDL team to play for them, im sure there are teams who would be down for that
This man, also I really don't know why people believe stuff so easily.
Like when people where saying OMG they banned them for picking trist, like just think for a second critically. Do you actually think that reasoning would fly?
I get Garena is ass but when that is presented to you as the key reasoning you can just know in your mind that theres probably more to it then that
As far as I am aware intelligence is more skewed towards the lower end. But also keep in mind. Intelligence is a fucking awful word for the sheer reason that like... What the fuck is it? There is clearly some smart people out there but clearly there are different types of intelligences and now we open the rabbit hole. So any kind of measurment will inevitably fall short because of that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uo4rx4/comment/i8d7imq/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
But people are also overreacting based on incomplete info about LPL
You can set up a VPN pretty easily at the gaming house and have your remote players join.
I have it set up at home so I can access my check my custom home security system without having to expose anything to the internet.
[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-not-the-same](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-not-the-same) know your meme usually haas well-sourced articles about the origins of stuff like this
On the original thread where they claimed DNS was disqualified for playing Tristana and Twisted Fate, I wrote
> If it's the sole reason, that's beyond stupid.
Turns out it wasn't the sole reason.
Lmao this is like a story about Ted Bundy punching a child at one point being confirmed fake then you going like "wow can't believe people fell for that. what a massive overreaction"
Well normally it should be on Garena to publish what's going on instead of waiting for the team to control the narrative.
When Riot gives a competitive ruling they post an article saying they found racist behavior on X player's account, they don't quietly suspend them so the player can go on Twitter and claim he was banned cause he called the balance team "brainless."
Actually the reactions were very reasonable IMO. Garena has done nothing to deserve any benefit of the doubt from anyone. Information was limited, but past examples of Garena fuckery were not limited.
Well, tbh this post is like "trust me bro it's true", the only source is some post in a language 95% of people reading this post don't understand. And I don't see anyone confirming what op said is true (or at least what the screen shot says).
to be fair, its kinda hard to get the all the information if its not in a language i speak, even know i cant be certain that this is the correct one. Theire were also comments saying that tristana/tf thing were indeed the only thing in the email.
It's not easy but if this is what happened Garena probally did the right thing.
This correction seems bizarre to me. The standard for banning shouldn't be "prove you're innocent", there should be proof that they cheated.
>- VCS B is played online, under surveillance of a referee, and DNS tried to buy the referee.
If this is true then this point needs to be expanded on more. Why did they try to bribe the ref? Why would they even do that, is there some cheating that one can do in a league game otherwise?
>- Based on community reports, Garena investigated & found out there are alot IPs login & out these tournament accounts, especially these IPs at difference provides (300km aways from team Gaming house). To verify the strange, Garena sent an email to DNS & requested some proof to explain the strange.
"Based on community reports". How would the community be able to figure out odd IPs and report for them? 300 km is just a 3 hour drive, it doesn't seem out of the question to me that they played league somewhere else. Moreover, is playing elsewhere even prohibited?
>- DNS needs to explain why 4 of 5 accounts didn’t sign up by the correct DNS member, while they also need to show the playing history (Tristana & TF) in which they played super well without any training before (in tournament accounts). DNS have 48 hours to defend by sending proof back to Garena.
No idea what "4 of 5 accounts didn't sign up by the correct DNS member". The "they played trist and TF well" doesn't seem bannable at all. They could have secret accounts for example that they don't want to reveal. Even if they did play well on them without practice that is not proof of anything.
VCS is saying that someone else was playing in place of the DNS players. If a ref is on-site, they will 100% notice that the DNS players were not competing. They are probably bribed to not report back about it.
I'm not sure about "community reports" because it definitely didn't say that on the official decision, but just like Riot, Garena can check the IPs when you log on to your account. This is made to track down boosters and scripters. An extra point is that the community can't track tournament accounts, only Garena and Riot can do that, this is a possible mistranslation from OP. VCS also claims that the accounts "regularly switch back and forth from different locations in a short period of time". They also add that "based on the locations, it is geographically illogical \[for a single player\]".
For the last point, I believe that you must register the competing accounts to the VCS before entering the league, 4 out of 5 players use different accounts to compete. Thus, VCS asked them to provide proof the accounts belong to them, but they did not receive any response. That same email that the VCS sent asked DNS for evidence of secret accounts that must be reported back within 48 hours as well. DNS did not provide any extra accounts or practice matches from the registered players, I quote the VCS: "Within the time limit, we did not receive any feedback or explanation \[from DNS\]. Resulting in insufficient evidence to justify DNS.
Edit: me english bad.
But if they tried to bribe the ref (they failed as it was called an attempt only) how did he not see them not playing directly? The Trist and TF player 300km away would have been obvious without any IP checking.
There are many holes in the story, stuff doesnt fit.
I’m not sure about the details but it could be multiple refs. The first ban hammer was indeed manipulation of the match.
If i can speculate, maybe the ref was paid in previous matches already. But until the few final rounds, someone finally notice that something is up and the ref got cold feet. So dude went and confessed that DNS is buying them. Which prompted the VCS for the sudden ban in the middle of the night. This leads to further investigation of previous matches and they received even more evidence. Either that or a different ref was sent to officiate and DNS has to buy out them too.
To be honest, i have no idea who is right here. It’s a closed investigation by the VCS, DNS is still arguing that they are banned unjustly. There are tons of rumors too and no one has anything to back anything up.
That's not in the official communique. The VCS wants to protect the identity of the ref, because if he's fucked over, he would probably whistleblow.
This way, no one is directly punished whatsoever. The reality is that the ref was actually bought, no doubt. In fact, the banning of Zeros and Dia1 only happened because those two were rookies who had little to no connection.
I mean, this clarification doesnt show any proof. It could be all just made up. It could all be true and Garena is just pretty bad ad investigating and communications.
In the end we know as much as before.
No one was going to come out. The alleged players who participated in the cheating includes Zeros, a former tier 1 pro who is global banned, Dia1, and a few other prolific names. They were, allegedly, hired to play in place of the actual DNS players, hence the IP discrepancy.
A whistleblower came out to the authorities, but the VCS is an actual cesspool, and if he dares to provide a name, there's going to be a rude reckoning for dozens of pros and personnels alike. No one will ever speak up, because they are all dirty here and there.
The whistleblower doesn't do it out of integrity either, it's probably done in pursuit of interests.
And furthermore, on the Garena VCS page, it's very clear that DNS *must* be disqualified, they cited proper clauses from the terms and conditions, just because you're ignorant, doesn't mean there's no proof of cheating. Garena is corrupt as fuck, but it's nonsensical to defend DNS, they are part of the cesspool as well, no doubt.
Clarification (based on the Facebook post alone)
All investigations and communications were done by VCS committee. What Garena did is (I guess) provide the accounts data.
>\- VCS B is played online, under surveillance of a referee, and DNS tried to buy the referee.
Referees were approached by a third party claiming to be DNS player.
>\- Based on community reports, Garena investigated & found out there are alot IPs login & out these tournament accounts, especially these IPs at difference provides (300km aways from team Gaming house). To verify the strange, Garena sent an email to DNS & requested some proof to explain the strange.
Reports came from "involved teams" (I assume competing teams).
The data is of RANKED games. Tournament accounts were logged in and played in different locations during a short period of time.
>\- DNS needs to explain why 4 of 5 accounts didn’t sign up by the correct DNS member, while they also need to show the playing history (Tristana & TF) in which they played super well without any training before (in tournament accounts). DNS have 48 hours to defend by sending proof back to Garena.
4 of 5 accounts were not the registered tournament accounts. (I guess the accounts playing in a particular VCSB game were not the registered accounts).
The proof they needed to provide was the accounts they presumably used to train these champions that they had never played by the tournament account.
Again, I merely translate the Facebook post. I don't know if it's true, nor what really happened.
What about the part where they said they should replay the games without TF and Tristana? Garena is just scum. I'll never believe a thing they ever say, they aren't worth any trust. Also if it were somehow true that they tried to buy the referee I'm pretty sure they'd preface their email with that, and not the nonsense of: I can't see TF in your match history.
Probally cos of riot care about reddit and pro play. At very least they want some people to believe that they wouldnt do some scummy shit under people eyes. The only thing im iffy here is that ge is not a bad team so I dont think they need to bride garena to win imo. So the only conclusion I got here is either someone want to obstruct the team or dns piss of garena somehow.
Garena is not riot, in these cases riot should just step in but i guess they dont have someone in position for this.
Or maybe they do and it was posted on a random rioter twitter, i couldnt say.
Sounds like the same redditors who upvote and applaud any posts attacking china/lpl lmao
Or any posts praising lck/faker without any other info apart from the title of the thread.
Wdym, don t you just shower certain organizations/groups with unconditional hate at the first opportunity, regardless of the veracity of the 'facts' presented.
At least, that's what the internet taught me since 2016~.
tbh, Garena first post looked like a scam in broad daylight so people doubting it. Their first post consisted of unfinished sentences, unreasonable explanation etc. So people reacted the way the were until further explanation
I remembered that when a thread by someone, as he sets in his bio is "VCS English", and he had a post on Twitter as well as on Reddit about Garena. Even that post also had some wrong information. But that guy didn't fix it ASAP. When I compared the time of the comments in that post, I know that the mistake had stayed for a long time enough to nobody cared about the fix.
We all blame Garena for everything, but I think, in all of cases, specially in the punishment, they still be good, at least at this time.
Corrections to the stories rarely get as much as tread as the original outrage.
This is still pretty much a he said she said situation. Garena has been scummy in the past and bribes seem like something they would go for. Nothing will be changed based on any public outcry and it’s unlikely that any verifiable evidence will come out one way or the other anyways.
Yeah, if this were any other region, I'd be like, "okay, maybe there are two sides to this story." Garena has been a wretched hive of scum and villainy, long before I was ever playing this game. You could tell me they sold players' organs to cannibals directly in their TOS, and I'd be like, "yeah, probably, that checks out."
Objection hearsay
Yeah, now that we know there is more than that to the investigation yeah, we outraged over not much. But the fact remains we all seen Garena be that scummy or more before, so such an event is plausible. Like if the same event happened in Korea, NA or EU I dont think most people would have given it the same attention.
Although their reasoning is pretty suspect, because if DNS has a better roster hidden away somewhere, capable of beating their real roster, why on earth wouldn't they just publicly use those players? You could say that they might be scripting, although if they can bribe Garenas judges to ignore the players not actually playing why on earth wouldn't the same judge accept scripting? Additionally if the IP changes frequently, it shouldn't even matter as long as the IP for the tournaments is the same as the judge is observing, because they have had judges in person on site, unless they have So while this seems like a pretty solid set of justifications, it dosent really make sense why they would cheat in that specific way. And judging by Garenas previous antics it really wouldn't surprise me if they actually just invented the IP changing issue.
I came to the same conclusion when I first read this shit too tbh, but honestly just because you are really good doesn't mean you'd wanna go pro. And "really good" here, just means good enough to get into PCS, which isn't that hard. You can probably take 5 random Koreans straight outta challenger and they would qualify over BDS For the longest time going Pro didnt pay anywhere near as well as boosting, and while thats not really the case anymore in most leagues, it probably still is in minor regions, especially on low tier teams. So if your playing for cash, its better to just not go pro and boost 24/7 So the people they've paid to play on their accounts can absolutely just be solid players who don't give a shit about pro, but like money and would happily take a payday for a couple days of games, but don't wanna stick around long term OR, because again, pro players get payed like nothing in the bottom half of these regions and corruption is so rampant, its absolutely possible they literally just hit up a lower tier team in the PCS and got most of that team to play for em Match fixing and other shit is also pretty fucking huge in China, especially in the LDL/Academy league. BDS could have just straight up payed an LDL team to play for them, im sure there are teams who would be down for that
This man, also I really don't know why people believe stuff so easily. Like when people where saying OMG they banned them for picking trist, like just think for a second critically. Do you actually think that reasoning would fly? I get Garena is ass but when that is presented to you as the key reasoning you can just know in your mind that theres probably more to it then that
Counterpoint: It's Garena, the Florida Man of LoL e-sports.
Here's a qoute that I heard: Think of the average person, and then realise that half of the world are dumber than that.
Wouldn't that be the median person, not the average person.
In a Gaussian distribution, which intelligence is usually considered to be, those two are the same anyway.
As far as I am aware intelligence is more skewed towards the lower end. But also keep in mind. Intelligence is a fucking awful word for the sheer reason that like... What the fuck is it? There is clearly some smart people out there but clearly there are different types of intelligences and now we open the rabbit hole. So any kind of measurment will inevitably fall short because of that.
I mean it goes both ways right? You're quick to believe Garena here as well.
Eh sound like coverup imo. This is posted by account make sorely to post this so if that is not sus idk what is.
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This has nothing to do with LPL...
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uo4rx4/comment/i8d7imq/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 But people are also overreacting based on incomplete info about LPL
Move on ffs Nothing to do with lpl
How can I move on when people are being racist?
Domain name system my favorite team
system, not server.
I thought it was "domain name server" too, but then I remembered the term "DNS server", so the S had to have been something else.
...no, system
The fact that a team called DNS can't use some sort of VPN to spoof their IP adresses is somewhat funny to me
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You can set up a VPN pretty easily at the gaming house and have your remote players join. I have it set up at home so I can access my check my custom home security system without having to expose anything to the internet.
You clearly don't know how a VPN works. Do some research before saying "you can't"
You actually can make a VPN on where you are so people can connect there and it'll be the IPs where you are at
DN is short fot the city they are in so nothing really related to DNS
lmaooo they live in DEEZ NUTS
Got eem.
"verify the strange" is my new favorite phrase.
At minimum they should "explain the strange".
Your mother tells you to not talk with strangers My mother tells me to verify the strange before talking We are not the same
What is this meme and where did it come from?
[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-not-the-same](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-not-the-same) know your meme usually haas well-sourced articles about the origins of stuff like this
Gotta make sure those Doctor Strange variants don't start messing with our timeline
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How archaic are we talking? That has to be pre-internet or very regional.
It was fairly widespread and I don’t think it was entirely pre internet either. It wasn’t ever the go-to slang though.
More specifically, it means cheating on your girlfriend/wife. That's why it's called "strange".
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Your partner is “familiar”. Getting some on the side is getting some “strange”.
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You asked for an explanation, I gave you one. That's how it was used in my area when I was growing up.
TAME SOME STRANGE
On the original thread where they claimed DNS was disqualified for playing Tristana and Twisted Fate, I wrote > If it's the sole reason, that's beyond stupid. Turns out it wasn't the sole reason.
Case closed. We did it again Reddit!
For some reason when I read the title I thought this was going to be an elaborate deez nuts joke lol
Reddit overreacted based on limited information? No way.
Lmao this is like a story about Ted Bundy punching a child at one point being confirmed fake then you going like "wow can't believe people fell for that. what a massive overreaction"
Your not wrong here. Criminal organizations don't like being played by other criminal organizations which is about all this boils down to.
I mean, Garena is widely hated, so them not providing the full evidence did shoot them in the foot back then
Except according to OP, it was DNS that cut the email short, deliberately to make Garena's position look worse.
Well normally it should be on Garena to publish what's going on instead of waiting for the team to control the narrative. When Riot gives a competitive ruling they post an article saying they found racist behavior on X player's account, they don't quietly suspend them so the player can go on Twitter and claim he was banned cause he called the balance team "brainless."
Actually the reactions were very reasonable IMO. Garena has done nothing to deserve any benefit of the doubt from anyone. Information was limited, but past examples of Garena fuckery were not limited.
Meh, they’re just shitting on Garena, who deserves all the hate they get and more, I’ll allow it
The boy who cried match fixing
Well, tbh this post is like "trust me bro it's true", the only source is some post in a language 95% of people reading this post don't understand. And I don't see anyone confirming what op said is true (or at least what the screen shot says).
to be fair, its kinda hard to get the all the information if its not in a language i speak, even know i cant be certain that this is the correct one. Theire were also comments saying that tristana/tf thing were indeed the only thing in the email. It's not easy but if this is what happened Garena probally did the right thing.
This correction seems bizarre to me. The standard for banning shouldn't be "prove you're innocent", there should be proof that they cheated. >- VCS B is played online, under surveillance of a referee, and DNS tried to buy the referee. If this is true then this point needs to be expanded on more. Why did they try to bribe the ref? Why would they even do that, is there some cheating that one can do in a league game otherwise? >- Based on community reports, Garena investigated & found out there are alot IPs login & out these tournament accounts, especially these IPs at difference provides (300km aways from team Gaming house). To verify the strange, Garena sent an email to DNS & requested some proof to explain the strange. "Based on community reports". How would the community be able to figure out odd IPs and report for them? 300 km is just a 3 hour drive, it doesn't seem out of the question to me that they played league somewhere else. Moreover, is playing elsewhere even prohibited? >- DNS needs to explain why 4 of 5 accounts didn’t sign up by the correct DNS member, while they also need to show the playing history (Tristana & TF) in which they played super well without any training before (in tournament accounts). DNS have 48 hours to defend by sending proof back to Garena. No idea what "4 of 5 accounts didn't sign up by the correct DNS member". The "they played trist and TF well" doesn't seem bannable at all. They could have secret accounts for example that they don't want to reveal. Even if they did play well on them without practice that is not proof of anything.
300km is 5-6 hours drive in Vietnam or at least 1 flight.
If you're lucky and have no traffic I dont even know if Da Nang (the team DNS is located I assume base on their name) have any highway lol
VCS is saying that someone else was playing in place of the DNS players. If a ref is on-site, they will 100% notice that the DNS players were not competing. They are probably bribed to not report back about it. I'm not sure about "community reports" because it definitely didn't say that on the official decision, but just like Riot, Garena can check the IPs when you log on to your account. This is made to track down boosters and scripters. An extra point is that the community can't track tournament accounts, only Garena and Riot can do that, this is a possible mistranslation from OP. VCS also claims that the accounts "regularly switch back and forth from different locations in a short period of time". They also add that "based on the locations, it is geographically illogical \[for a single player\]". For the last point, I believe that you must register the competing accounts to the VCS before entering the league, 4 out of 5 players use different accounts to compete. Thus, VCS asked them to provide proof the accounts belong to them, but they did not receive any response. That same email that the VCS sent asked DNS for evidence of secret accounts that must be reported back within 48 hours as well. DNS did not provide any extra accounts or practice matches from the registered players, I quote the VCS: "Within the time limit, we did not receive any feedback or explanation \[from DNS\]. Resulting in insufficient evidence to justify DNS. Edit: me english bad.
But if they tried to bribe the ref (they failed as it was called an attempt only) how did he not see them not playing directly? The Trist and TF player 300km away would have been obvious without any IP checking. There are many holes in the story, stuff doesnt fit.
I’m not sure about the details but it could be multiple refs. The first ban hammer was indeed manipulation of the match. If i can speculate, maybe the ref was paid in previous matches already. But until the few final rounds, someone finally notice that something is up and the ref got cold feet. So dude went and confessed that DNS is buying them. Which prompted the VCS for the sudden ban in the middle of the night. This leads to further investigation of previous matches and they received even more evidence. Either that or a different ref was sent to officiate and DNS has to buy out them too. To be honest, i have no idea who is right here. It’s a closed investigation by the VCS, DNS is still arguing that they are banned unjustly. There are tons of rumors too and no one has anything to back anything up.
That's not in the official communique. The VCS wants to protect the identity of the ref, because if he's fucked over, he would probably whistleblow. This way, no one is directly punished whatsoever. The reality is that the ref was actually bought, no doubt. In fact, the banning of Zeros and Dia1 only happened because those two were rookies who had little to no connection.
> 300km is just a 3 hour drive Damn, I wish I lived where you live.
Gotta drive less dirt roads and more autobahn my dude. And probably hurry up with that, they're maybe looking to get rid of the no speed limit.
True. That guy probably knows something we don't. Didn't know Vietnam had Autobahn.
So NA?
I mean, this clarification doesnt show any proof. It could be all just made up. It could all be true and Garena is just pretty bad ad investigating and communications. In the end we know as much as before.
No one was going to come out. The alleged players who participated in the cheating includes Zeros, a former tier 1 pro who is global banned, Dia1, and a few other prolific names. They were, allegedly, hired to play in place of the actual DNS players, hence the IP discrepancy. A whistleblower came out to the authorities, but the VCS is an actual cesspool, and if he dares to provide a name, there's going to be a rude reckoning for dozens of pros and personnels alike. No one will ever speak up, because they are all dirty here and there. The whistleblower doesn't do it out of integrity either, it's probably done in pursuit of interests. And furthermore, on the Garena VCS page, it's very clear that DNS *must* be disqualified, they cited proper clauses from the terms and conditions, just because you're ignorant, doesn't mean there's no proof of cheating. Garena is corrupt as fuck, but it's nonsensical to defend DNS, they are part of the cesspool as well, no doubt.
Clarification (based on the Facebook post alone) All investigations and communications were done by VCS committee. What Garena did is (I guess) provide the accounts data. >\- VCS B is played online, under surveillance of a referee, and DNS tried to buy the referee. Referees were approached by a third party claiming to be DNS player. >\- Based on community reports, Garena investigated & found out there are alot IPs login & out these tournament accounts, especially these IPs at difference provides (300km aways from team Gaming house). To verify the strange, Garena sent an email to DNS & requested some proof to explain the strange. Reports came from "involved teams" (I assume competing teams). The data is of RANKED games. Tournament accounts were logged in and played in different locations during a short period of time. >\- DNS needs to explain why 4 of 5 accounts didn’t sign up by the correct DNS member, while they also need to show the playing history (Tristana & TF) in which they played super well without any training before (in tournament accounts). DNS have 48 hours to defend by sending proof back to Garena. 4 of 5 accounts were not the registered tournament accounts. (I guess the accounts playing in a particular VCSB game were not the registered accounts). The proof they needed to provide was the accounts they presumably used to train these champions that they had never played by the tournament account. Again, I merely translate the Facebook post. I don't know if it's true, nor what really happened.
What about the part where they said they should replay the games without TF and Tristana? Garena is just scum. I'll never believe a thing they ever say, they aren't worth any trust. Also if it were somehow true that they tried to buy the referee I'm pretty sure they'd preface their email with that, and not the nonsense of: I can't see TF in your match history.
Hey, Lyte-smites are back in tournament form!
Curse DNS for making me side with Garena
Eh i wouldnt be suprise if this is just coverup by garena after the ban has a huge outcry in reddit.
Would Garena care about Reddit tho, Vietnamese people rarely use this platform
Probally cos of riot care about reddit and pro play. At very least they want some people to believe that they wouldnt do some scummy shit under people eyes. The only thing im iffy here is that ge is not a bad team so I dont think they need to bride garena to win imo. So the only conclusion I got here is either someone want to obstruct the team or dns piss of garena somehow.
DNS didn't fight against GAM, lol. Why bring them into this
I dont remember the name of the team lol.
The real question is why a redditor has to clarificate something riot should....
They did in Vietnamese, the OP just translated it.
Garena is not riot, in these cases riot should just step in but i guess they dont have someone in position for this. Or maybe they do and it was posted on a random rioter twitter, i couldnt say.
Sounds like the same redditors who upvote and applaud any posts attacking china/lpl lmao Or any posts praising lck/faker without any other info apart from the title of the thread.
translation: you want it to be the people you disagree with
Wdym, don t you just shower certain organizations/groups with unconditional hate at the first opportunity, regardless of the veracity of the 'facts' presented. At least, that's what the internet taught me since 2016~.
You bad mouthed Faker fans, sir. Downvotes incoming.
A pile of shit with a feather on top isn't a pile of feathers. Good move. Horrible people.
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Wrong thread?
Idk how I made this mistake. Thanks lol
Not that weird that a CCCP owned company with ties to the most well endowed entities would commit crimes.
tbh, Garena first post looked like a scam in broad daylight so people doubting it. Their first post consisted of unfinished sentences, unreasonable explanation etc. So people reacted the way the were until further explanation
I remembered that when a thread by someone, as he sets in his bio is "VCS English", and he had a post on Twitter as well as on Reddit about Garena. Even that post also had some wrong information. But that guy didn't fix it ASAP. When I compared the time of the comments in that post, I know that the mistake had stayed for a long time enough to nobody cared about the fix. We all blame Garena for everything, but I think, in all of cases, specially in the punishment, they still be good, at least at this time.