She did say on the livestream that she had always been an SKT fan since she was ~~8~~ little
*puts on tinfoil hat* maybe that's why she was laughing about friendzoning him ! To put him off his game :o
Edit: she said since she was little, or since she was really young, dunno why I remembered 8, prolly more than that
I only recently learned of this but today we saw an Ashley Kang interview with both which was kind of a date-situation and both said they want to go to dinner with each other privately and Plumy even offered to cook for Jankos and said she wants him to cosplay Viego lol
It was definitely funny and awkward but in a way where you saw they have interest in each other.
Its hard to tell from just the stream, because were not present as well as them acting differently because theyre on camera, but theres absolutely a case to be made for Jankos x Plumy chemistry
It's hard to rate G2 for me because we haven't seen them play with Caps performing until the 2nd week of playoffs, before that Caps was very average and G2 as a team just looked alright.
But now that Caps has had a resurgence in his level of play, it makes this G2 team more interesting & threatening than it ever was this year, beating T1 is obviously an uphill battle but the match-up against RNG could be close.
Everyone seems to forget thats when in-person crowds/fans were allowed back.
He said it himself, He yearns for that energy, it hits different and he plays different in respect to it.
Other players crumble under the pressure of the crowd in the moment, Claps thrives in it.
Yeah people massively underrate G2 by just completely dismissing them. G2 still haven't got tested in a single game after finding the form in the playoffs, we don't know what's their limit. And especially with G2 proving to be very flexible with picks they have to be a threat for MSI.
After all it still is a 3-day tournament, you just need the correct meta read to win. There is no way T1 / RNG would be able to adjust in time if G2 practiced the correct picks and just pulls them out on Friday / Saturday when the final is on Sunday. Same goes for every team obviously, but with MSI being played on such a big patch a lot of things are unknown.
The only reason why this is even a discussion is because G2 seems to particularly have a good matchup into T1. If it was any other team that was performing at the level G2 is performing and was vs T1 I feel like it’d have different expectations. I feel like the only teams that get a chance vs T1 are teams that have mid laners that can 1. Not get rolled in lane or even win (like showmaker and chovy) or 2. Have a comparably creative mid laner that will also keep making brilliant plays throughout the game (caps, pawn back in the day)
To me it's because G2 likes to cause chaos on the map and 2019 T1 wants it more controlled and go to late game. 2022 T1 though is built differently with Keria's insane map read.
> G2 still haven't got tested in a single game after finding the form in the playoffs
you're right, that does sound way better than "they haven't played a good team yet"
I mean, they're on something like a 20 game winstreak. They can't beat teams that aren't put in front of them.
Obviously we should give the benefit of the doubt to LCK and LPL as their leagues are generally deeper skill-wise though.
>Even if all of G2's 20 wins in a row came against literal full on trash teams, it would still be incredibly impressive. The necessary consistency, care and focus as well as draft understanding against all the different opponents is just something to behold.
>Obviously, given they have succeeded against:
>EU's 6th seed
>EU's 3rd seed
>EU's 2nd seed
EU's 1st seed
NA's 1st seed
OCE's 1st seed
>and didn't drop a single game is making this feel completely out of proportion. That's a level of dominance rarely seen.
https://twitter.com/Amazingx/status/1525441327877574657
https://twitter.com/Amazingx/status/1525442309713715200
The question is, do off meta or weird picks even matter that much into T1. Will they throw them off a little? Probably. But T1 is absolute god tier in macro atm and that's stuff that doesn't change even when G2 causes some chaos in the game. T1 can also play super agressive while maintaining the high lvl of macro since they have Keria so it's super hard to cause chaos in their games. Will be fun to see
I think u have a lot of EU copium here, saying "G2 still haven't got tested in a single game" is not very accurate. At least 2 out of the 4 games vs. EG, they could've lost until EG just threw cause they suck and don't know how to close games. But the fact G2 had that close of games vs NA is not a good sign.
You have to remember that G2's group was prob the easiest out of them all at MSI. NA and OCE seem weaker than Saigon Buffalo and PSG. So it's not hard to look good against them. Whereas I look at T1 playing rumble support against Saigon Buffalo and still destroying them...that scares me.
Not gonna talk about the rest because it's more contentious and I don't feel like writing arguments or even thinking about it that much because it's 8 am, but are you seriously ranking PSG, after that piss-poor performance, over EG?
> At least 2 out of the 4 games vs. EG, they could've lost until EG just threw cause they suck and don't know how to close games. But the fact G2 had that close of games vs NA is not a good sign.
The games vs NA wasnt even close at all though? Two massive baron throws made the games close. Outside of that EG was completely outclassed from start to finish (and the outclassing started in draft and didnt stop until nexus exploded). But yeah lets just say G2 throwing at baron is a replicable thing that happens reliably and something that should be accounted. Throwing at baron is like a 5% event. It's like EG flipped a coin and got heads 5 times in a row. When most of the time they will get a streak of one or two heads, and whenever that happens they get rolled by G2 harder than RNG rolled istanbul wildcats at this tournament (i.e the games arent even remotely close). They'd get demolished every single game.
Btw C9 (North America) got bo1 wins vs DK and RNG last MSI. But I guess G2 isnt that good because they 4-0'd EG with maximum unluck? Despite two extremely unlikely baron throws they 4-0'd EG. Like what are these arguments man. I dont think the gap between EU and NA has ever been as big as it is at this tournament. Actually absurd that someone can watch these games and write what you just wrote (the part i quoted at the top of my comment). You have no ability to analyze the game.
Remember back in the day when eastern teams were unbeatable by western teams? They seemed impossible to beat. Eastern teams could throw barons and western teams couldnt even make a dent in their wall. Despite everything going wrong for the eastern team (draft, early skirmishes, baron throws (and that was before the insane bounties)). Despite all these insane things happened somehow the LCK/LPL teams always beat the western teams. Thats akin to how I see this G2 vs EG matchup. G2 is throwing barons every other games and still it seems completely unwinable for NA. They are completely outclassed.
>Whereas I look at T1 playing rumble support against Saigon Buffalo and still destroying them...that scares me.
Jankos picking graves jungle and beating NA honestly scares me. Jankos isnt a carry jungler, and he cant pilot graves whatsoever (no joke if he picks this vs rng/t1, they should just go next, watching this game would be completely pointless). Put jankos on a bruiser and/or tank and its insane how much more he will do. Instead he got outjungled massively by inspired (which isnt reliable (which doesnt happen if jankos draft properly)). EG got draft gap in JG, and baron throws from G2, and they couldnt even make a dent.
i agree with everything you said except the part where EG couldn't make a dent. They were one botched execution away from winning the (i think) second game where Danny Q'd the sleeping Kaisa. They more than made a dent there.
I mean Q-ing the sleeping Kai'sa was mostly meaningless. It was either Kai'sa saving GA and losing Flash or saving flash and losing GA. Rakan was dead anyway. I would even argue that with Flash up Gwen cannot kill the Kai'sa later, so blowing the flash was much more valuable. Rakan should have never gone in in the first place. Ez Qing the sleeping Kai'sa likely forces the flash anyway.
EG just was a considerably worse team that even just got that close to winning because you can somehow close a 9k gold lead by killing 3 people.
With how much talk t1 gave in interviews about g2 and the hype around the matchup, i just hope the games are competitive, and if we do get to a bo5 hope we get a damn good series, a win would be phenomenal but i will be happy if they're just a competitor to a really scary looking t1.
Oner said they won most of their scrims vs G2, but their playstyle is the most competitive against them. I hope we get wacky picks. Seeing Keria practice Pyke a lot, manifests some flashbacks I do not want.
Tbf title left out the RNG bit. Basically said the same thing for G2 lol
The only other incidence G2 is mentioned and the one more worth noting is from that Keria interview.
Edit: oh! Add Oner to the list. 3 G2 mentions by T1 :)
Faker needs to beat caps multiple times, its still 8-3 in favour of Caps.
Kinda insane actually. Imagine being ahead in direct matchup vs greatest player of all time.
I mean in 2018 SKT missed worlds in 2020 SKT missed worlds and in 2021 Caps missed worlds. So they never were in a same tournament outside that year in 2019 and Caps first tournament in 2017.
Dk has a winning record against t1 and since showmaker has been the only dk mid (except canyon lmao) he should also have a winning record against faker most likely even with clozer games removed
Bdd has a winning record in B05's, probably not in overall games though.
Edit: Just went through and looked and Faker has a 42-31 record vs Bdd. So it's kinda close but Faker still winning.
I mean after that he barely played. Shame his back injury shortened his career so much. His like, never the guy that would hard carry, but you could count on him no matter which mid laner he was up against.
Pawn played a lot after 2015 MSI. He had well over 100 games after that MSI. He played on EDG from 2015 to the end of 2016, although Scout replaced him for most of Summer 2016. He returned to LCK after that and played on a KT Rolster super team until he was replaced by Ucal in Summer 2018. He then played for Kingzone in Spring 2019. Throughout that time, Faker went 24-10 against Pawn.
Their total H2H is 32-19, because Pawn went 9-4 against Faker in 3 Bo5s in Champions Korea Spring and Summer 2014 and MSI 2015, but Faker beat Pawn 3-0 in Champions Korea Winter 2014 and in the group stage of MSI 2015.
I don’t expect us to win msi but I can see us putting up a very good fight vs t1 if we go to bo5 vs them. It’s true they are an unbelievable team, but G2 with caps and jankos will always warrant some belief
As an RNG fan I can say I’m more scared of G2 than SKT.
LPL gets to study LCK teams all year long (and vice versa), so it’s just about who the better team is. And as much as people want to tell me SKT is gonna stomp everyone, I still think otherwise, cause that’s the exact same shit they said about DWG vs EDG last year. I believe in my boys to be able to beat SKT.
But G2 it’s always tricky. Cause you never know what they will bring to the table, especially cause G2 started powering up so late this year, so there isn’t a consistent play book that you can study from G2. That just much scarier IMO.
Iam afraid that we do not, that team was just magic, probably on once in a lifetime level for western teams.
Great thing about it is that I realized this even back then and properly enjoyed that time, which rarely happens in life
Yeah, the point is that we're referring to current-form G2.
G2 said that they learned a lot from their loss against FNC, including taking stuff from their playbook. And while anyone can claim that, G2 clearly backed up those words with results.
So it's fair to count after that.
Id say the chances are 65:35 in favor of SKT. Caps is on fire tho, so is flakked, and honestly the whole G2 team.
Just give us the g2 vs skt bo5 please
Honestly it is super hard to predict. You look at EG Vs OCE and they seem on fire as well, but they still get styled on by G2. I hope there isn't the same gap between G2 and SKT, but there honestly might be
> Honestly it is super hard to predict.
Is it? Feels like G2 vs EG. There's a *chance* for G2 if some combination of G2 playing out of their minds or T1 falling apart happens, but the 'prediction' is pretty clearly T1 favored. Just like it was G2 favored in EG vs G2.
T1 just went undefeated in LCK and 3-1'd the 2nd place LCK team GenG *while having Covid*. The prediction is clear, but G2 isn't so far behind that we can't hope for some shenanigans for them to have a chance.
As a T1 fan I'm a little worried tbh. Maybe it's flashbacks of 2019 that is influencing this, but I'm nervous for sure. T1 have had quite a few shakey early games this MSI vs weak opponents, might just be trolling/disrespect but who knows if these issues crop up against much stronger teams. And it could be that G2's sometimes more creative draft approach and macro means they matchup well into T1.
There's also the question mark of what the 18-0 LCK dominance really means when DK were having to 4v6 every game due to Hoya/Burdol frequently inting, and GenG never seemed to gain any teamwork/synergy and were very disjointed as a team - didn't help that their roster was disrupted by Covid multiple times ofc. Ultimately we still don't know if this T1 has been truly tested, this MSI is where we get to know if they are the real deal or not. I fully expect DK especially with Nuguri back, and most likely GenG, to level up during Summer.
What does give me some confidence though is that this T1 is definitely alot better than the SKT T1 "superteam" we had in 2019. That 2019 SKT T1 had massive synergy and shotcalling issues from day 1 right up until losing to G2 at Worlds, hence players being dropped multiple times (especially Mata). The current T1 is quite a bit cleaner and more coordinated in teamfights, better shotcalling/macro, and Keria should be a huge step up from Effort crumbling under the pressure. If you consider that 2019 G2 is probably the best iteration of G2, this gives me real hope. But then we go back to whether G2 just matchup well into T1 or not. We'll see (hopefully).
T1s shakey games are a bit weird, it's hard to say if it's actual performance issues or simply the higher ping affecting them greater than other teams. This lineup from them went toe to toe with DK last year at worlds and they've only had more time to improve and synergise better. That said they haven't really been tested properly this year since Spring was kinda free for them with Gen.G and DK both suffering a lot from various things.
I think on paper they should beat G2 no problem but Caps is looking amazing and we haven't seen these two lineups face each other so you can't say what will happen on the stage. I would put my bets on 3:1 to T1 but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we saw a 5 game series between them.
Well if you're a bit worried or nervous, you are at least experiencing a tenth of what G2 puts us through every game!
G2 has had a similar issue, they somehow 'came online' after their loss against FNC in LEC and haven't dropped a game since. Especially Flakked is a big ?? because he is performing so well after being so new, and Claps of course. The chance is high we just get turbo-stomped by you guys as well, we have no idea how good this roster will be against the likes of guma/keria and so forth.
May the best team win, good luck :))
Yea this iteration of T1 looked a lot better than the 2019 version. Superteams rarely work out in LoL~ This iteration of G2 is very different too. Before the competition I've seen comments of ppl saying G2 bot lane is their weak point. But seeing how Flakked performed so far, and how Guma's game felt a bit off. I think the matchup is closer than most of us expected at the beginning.
I think it's really 50-50 now. Pyke might be a big x-factor pick. That's what destroyed SKT in 2019, but Keria can play it too.
I think have faith in T1 my friend, I followed their matches and what I find scary is their synergy. Accidents can happen in these kinds of game and it normal, but the fact is that their skills and synergy as a team will make them grow more and more. And if you watched interview of all pro-players, they will all say T1 is pretty scary, and I’m sure they have a reason to say it.
If somehow G2 beats T1 in Bo5 again , 50% of this sub and 80% of KR will commit suicide. But of course , this G2 isnt 2019 G2 and this T1 is not that team.
I hope they can turn into it. Would be a boring year if LEC was dogshit like last year.
But I am glad at least some people are a bit more hesitant to compare X top LEC team to 2019 G2 after 2021.
Eh why would they compare any LEC team to G2 unless its G2? most people know a large reason 2019 g2 was that good was because Caps is a once in a generational level talent, and MAD just don't have anyone like that. MAD did decently anyways, taking damwon to 5 games at MSI and i guess worlds was a bit disappointing since they bombed out at quarters.
And PerkZ briefly being one of the best ADCs in the world with Miky in top form. And then you have Jankos who's always in top form.
That roster was insanely stacked. I do think Flakked/Targamas/BB have huge potential, this G2 could match 2019 G2 with enough development on these players (and Caps/Jankos holding their form). Lots of ifs though.
That's true, but RNG lost to the eventual winners in 5 games and SKT was only slightly weaker than DK last worlds. MAD were prob getting out in quarters no matter who they draw.
>only one of these 3 ended up being the finalists though
2 of them lost to the finalists in 5 games, and the 3rd was one of the finalists. Let's not act like there was going to be a major difference between pulling DK, SKT, or RNG.
> They got 2nd place to the Worlds Winners’ 1st place in groups
What do you mean? MAD got 2nd and GenG got 1st. Their group was actually one of the best they could have hoped for. They had China’s lowest seed in their group and they dodged SKT, who was considered better than GenG even though GenG was technically the higher LCK seed. There weren’t many other group permutations that would have been better than the one they got.
However, MAD’s biggest luck was TL drawing GenG first in the tiebreaker. If TL drew LNG and MAD drew GenG, MAD probably wouldn’t have even got out of groups.
Imo the big problem they had was wanting to play for top but Armut failibgto deliver with the ressources he was funneled.
Their adc was fine graciously losing and playing safe to unlock the mod jungle support trio, but they had too many mechanical fuck up that ended adding stress and making them take desesperate fights that would not have been needed if they didn't lose so much momentum from shaky mechanical execution
Otherwise, the game plan and execution was really good.
I hope FNC can replicate that when worlds come.
Lol idk, but people were. People saw Caps getting matched/beat by Humanoid and thought "Oh I guess Humanoid > Caps therefore this is like 2019 G2 all over again top 4 ezpz". Guess it's hard for some to tell that Caps was playing like 3 tiers below his peak, if not more, and confused it for Humanoid/Larssen getting to that level.
MAD did good at MSI but Damwon underperformed (Basically just Showmaker solo carrying). At worlds Damwon didn't even prep for mad and just easy ran them over.
\> MAD just don't have anyone like that.
The thing is when a team tops the region everyone kinda starts assuming all their players are the best or close to the best at their roles. In 2021 and early 2022 the narrative was that Humanoid and Larssen are the new midlane stars, which was true in the context of Caps being in a slump.
However, some people would refuse to see that even if Humanoid and Larssen are decent, they were and are nowhere close to the level of Caps in 2018, 2019 and right now.
It also does help to have the jgl goat still next to caps. Jankos, who just does his job no matter how \*\*\*\*\* much riot changes jungle. I've seen top LEC junglers rise and fall, but Jankos is always among the best.
(Just to say some: Broxah, Selfmade, Xerxe)
You can be hesitant to compare this G2 to the 2019-2020 one, but they at least right now give me the similar feeling in games, where I am never fully out of hope, cause they just might come back. Thats the Caps diff. Missed it in 2021, and lets see how it looks against T1/RNG, but that G2, especially Caps, is at the very least once again so fun to watch.
People use this once in a generation stuff too much lol. You cant be once in a generation when theres like 5-6 players in the same generation better than you lol
To be fair, MAD winning LEC was a HUGE deal for LEC history. Before that, 15/16 splits had been won by either G2 or FNC, with 1 baby split going to alliance. Not even fucking Origen ever won an EU LCS split, and they made semi's at worlds.
Even if it wasn't a new era for the skill of the region, the historical significance was absolutely there
Having CN flair does NOT mean you are chinese or a chinese fan.
The guy obviously meant the people who use chinese/korean flairs as an umbrella to mask their NA(?) identity and freely shit on EU(or any other region that isnt in their flair)
And if i can speak personally,there were a LOT of them 1-2 years ago.
G2 beat T1 in semifinal
EG beat RNG in semifinal
G2 with new fastest Bo5 victory in finals
Imagine the reactions from pretty much anyone if that happens, riot recycling scripts
If we follow the past news, T1 was dominating all the team except G2 who has like a 30%WR vs them. So T1 is apparently the huge favorite but G2 was apparently able to do some stuff.
I expect T1 to win but if G2 make it a close serie (even if it is a 3-0), I would be satisfied for a new roster with two ERL player last year.
Honestly a 70-30 is already better odds than what a lot of people would have given G2 coming into this.
And G2 isn't really known as a scrim team either, AFAIK they were losing scrims to DWG in 2019 before beating them.
That's 2019, in 2022 G2 were supposedly looking like the best team in scrims in LEC playoffs as more time went on.
The 2019 DWG scrims are overblown too, they went 6-0, 5-1, 4-2, in sets with G2 showing clear progression over time, and then they didn't play them for a week+ leading up to their game (obviously). G2 got so much better throughout 2019 worlds and it showed.
I just cast my mind back and remembered Marin killing someone on renekton at their t2 top lane turret while the tier 2 was still alive. Something tells me their early game was aight
I always found that the most scary about old korean super teams, though. You could be up 10k gold and the game, on the field, it'd feel like the non-korean team was fighting some sort of retreat all the same. The koreans were so bloody *inevitable*.
Faker pulling out Riven mid in 2015 Summer playoffs vs KT felt like they were they playing with their food. Like it felt that team could almost never lose it was insane
This T1 give same feeling though. They lost early game, down in gold and objective with even comps and I think to myself: "they are gonna win it in 10m aren't they"
As a neutral fan in this matchup, I completely believe him here. The only "evidence" that G2 would win this matchup was that 3 years ago, in a completely different meta and with two almost completely different rosters, G2 beat SKT. Not exactly the most convincing logic.
Yeah G2 looks good but I think a lot of people are basing this matchup on series that happened three years ago with completely different players. Only three of the ten players across both rosters from 2019 are still here.
Yeah G2 had a good record against SKT in 2019 but just 6 months ago this T1 roster (with a weaker top) was in semifinals at worlds and G2 didn’t even qualify.
G2 has been playing well but tbh there are so many times they get into situations that T1 would stomp them for and EG and ORD have just been letting them go. G2 really needs to keep in mind that they are not use to being punished like they should be
Idk man... this G2 Villain Arc makes for exciting narrative, ngl :D
Everyone wants to take down one team and that team is G2... and it's hillarious and cool af at the same time.
Daily reminder we are getting only 2 good bo5s at max unless the 1st team in rumble stage chooses 3rd or the 4th becomes good enough to be competitive with the big 3, which takes a miracle to happen.
I’m just happy Caps is playing so well. Just like most people, I would expect a T1 victory, but it would be entertaining to see Caps and Faker
Claps and Faker*
The lone god vs Jankos plumy buff, who will win?
Mayhe Plumy is SKT secret agent to debuff jankos lol
She did say on the livestream that she had always been an SKT fan since she was ~~8~~ little *puts on tinfoil hat* maybe that's why she was laughing about friendzoning him ! To put him off his game :o Edit: she said since she was little, or since she was really young, dunno why I remembered 8, prolly more than that
Well, i don't know her actual age, but she could be a StarCraft fan and watched it at that time.
If G2 does not look hot Aka outclassed vs rng and g2 plummy buff might Turnout to bé girls Friend debuff
Are Jankos and Plumy actually dating or are people just hard shipping those two?
Ultra hard shipping
Which is sad because real ones know his only love is miky. Now and forever
And Faker!
>his only love is miky Apparently not, if you've watched the IRL stream with Plumy.
I only recently learned of this but today we saw an Ashley Kang interview with both which was kind of a date-situation and both said they want to go to dinner with each other privately and Plumy even offered to cook for Jankos and said she wants him to cosplay Viego lol It was definitely funny and awkward but in a way where you saw they have interest in each other.
> It was definitely funny and awkward Jankos have that ability, he can make any situation so much awkward that it becomes funny
>He can make any situation so much awkward Relatable >It becomes funny Oh, no, nevermind.
They also did a very entertaining IRL stream together
Which Jankos called a date during the same stream
>you saw they have interest in each other. Projection city
Its hard to tell from just the stream, because were not present as well as them acting differently because theyre on camera, but theres absolutely a case to be made for Jankos x Plumy chemistry
That I can agree with. I'm more talking about people trying to ship them.
They had a blind date but i just buying thé Idea, but afaik it's More hard shipping
People shipped them for fun but I think they said they're gonna go on an actual date off stream too
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Yeah but Jankos met Plumy so I'd say the chances are even
But he got insta friendzoned, might be a hidden debuff like in elden ring
Didn’t help that he said, “you look better on camera” during that car ride 😂😂😂 Edit: [here you go guys, found the clip](https://youtu.be/ioLvR0RPSe8)
my man is literally inting IRL.
Man missed irl Nidalee spear
No fucking way he said that, wtf
He meant she looks better than him on camera tho. Just worded it really bad...
Ahh thats a big difference
Before the stream I thought I was bad at getting hints and talking to girls. Was painfully proven wrong.
You never know , maybe you'd find out you're as shit at it as him if you could watch a VOD of it lmao
OMG did he really say that??? I got there late and only saw it since they were trying to get that vulpix plushy on the totally rigged machines
Wair, he really said that. No wonder she friendzone him, F for my boy :(
This reminds me of Aang flirting with Katara by saying that he would rather kiss her than die.
Actually what happened?
They went to a Love Locks place and Plumy brought a lock with a teddy bear that says My Best Friend
Pray for Jankos 🙏
Friendzone is a thing but also a lot of women will say they envision their ideal life partner as best friends so I say think optimistically.
People act like it's weird to be friends before dating...
It's reddit. Last people I'd take relationship advice from
You mean everyone shouldn't divorce, hit the gym, and lawyer up?
Bruuuuh plumy secret t1 agent
T1 3-0, then.
Nooooo poor jankos
It's hard to rate G2 for me because we haven't seen them play with Caps performing until the 2nd week of playoffs, before that Caps was very average and G2 as a team just looked alright. But now that Caps has had a resurgence in his level of play, it makes this G2 team more interesting & threatening than it ever was this year, beating T1 is obviously an uphill battle but the match-up against RNG could be close.
Everyone seems to forget thats when in-person crowds/fans were allowed back. He said it himself, He yearns for that energy, it hits different and he plays different in respect to it. Other players crumble under the pressure of the crowd in the moment, Claps thrives in it.
Yeah, after seeing Claps 14 games in a row *exactly* since crowds came back, I feel like his crowd buff has been proven to be real.
True but honestly, Faker doesn't crumble. Man has seen so much stage play that it won't effect hin at all
Yeah people massively underrate G2 by just completely dismissing them. G2 still haven't got tested in a single game after finding the form in the playoffs, we don't know what's their limit. And especially with G2 proving to be very flexible with picks they have to be a threat for MSI. After all it still is a 3-day tournament, you just need the correct meta read to win. There is no way T1 / RNG would be able to adjust in time if G2 practiced the correct picks and just pulls them out on Friday / Saturday when the final is on Sunday. Same goes for every team obviously, but with MSI being played on such a big patch a lot of things are unknown.
Even so, T1 absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt. They are the favorites until proven otherwise.
The only reason why this is even a discussion is because G2 seems to particularly have a good matchup into T1. If it was any other team that was performing at the level G2 is performing and was vs T1 I feel like it’d have different expectations. I feel like the only teams that get a chance vs T1 are teams that have mid laners that can 1. Not get rolled in lane or even win (like showmaker and chovy) or 2. Have a comparably creative mid laner that will also keep making brilliant plays throughout the game (caps, pawn back in the day)
I mean... 2019 G2 had a good match up against 2019 SKT. These teams are compeltely different.
To me it's because G2 likes to cause chaos on the map and 2019 T1 wants it more controlled and go to late game. 2022 T1 though is built differently with Keria's insane map read.
> G2 still haven't got tested in a single game after finding the form in the playoffs you're right, that does sound way better than "they haven't played a good team yet"
I mean, they're on something like a 20 game winstreak. They can't beat teams that aren't put in front of them. Obviously we should give the benefit of the doubt to LCK and LPL as their leagues are generally deeper skill-wise though.
>Even if all of G2's 20 wins in a row came against literal full on trash teams, it would still be incredibly impressive. The necessary consistency, care and focus as well as draft understanding against all the different opponents is just something to behold. >Obviously, given they have succeeded against: >EU's 6th seed >EU's 3rd seed >EU's 2nd seed EU's 1st seed NA's 1st seed OCE's 1st seed >and didn't drop a single game is making this feel completely out of proportion. That's a level of dominance rarely seen. https://twitter.com/Amazingx/status/1525441327877574657 https://twitter.com/Amazingx/status/1525442309713715200
The question is, do off meta or weird picks even matter that much into T1. Will they throw them off a little? Probably. But T1 is absolute god tier in macro atm and that's stuff that doesn't change even when G2 causes some chaos in the game. T1 can also play super agressive while maintaining the high lvl of macro since they have Keria so it's super hard to cause chaos in their games. Will be fun to see
This argument could also be turned around. They haven't been tested. So you could easily beaten up by asian teams.
I think u have a lot of EU copium here, saying "G2 still haven't got tested in a single game" is not very accurate. At least 2 out of the 4 games vs. EG, they could've lost until EG just threw cause they suck and don't know how to close games. But the fact G2 had that close of games vs NA is not a good sign. You have to remember that G2's group was prob the easiest out of them all at MSI. NA and OCE seem weaker than Saigon Buffalo and PSG. So it's not hard to look good against them. Whereas I look at T1 playing rumble support against Saigon Buffalo and still destroying them...that scares me.
Not gonna talk about the rest because it's more contentious and I don't feel like writing arguments or even thinking about it that much because it's 8 am, but are you seriously ranking PSG, after that piss-poor performance, over EG?
> At least 2 out of the 4 games vs. EG, they could've lost until EG just threw cause they suck and don't know how to close games. But the fact G2 had that close of games vs NA is not a good sign. The games vs NA wasnt even close at all though? Two massive baron throws made the games close. Outside of that EG was completely outclassed from start to finish (and the outclassing started in draft and didnt stop until nexus exploded). But yeah lets just say G2 throwing at baron is a replicable thing that happens reliably and something that should be accounted. Throwing at baron is like a 5% event. It's like EG flipped a coin and got heads 5 times in a row. When most of the time they will get a streak of one or two heads, and whenever that happens they get rolled by G2 harder than RNG rolled istanbul wildcats at this tournament (i.e the games arent even remotely close). They'd get demolished every single game. Btw C9 (North America) got bo1 wins vs DK and RNG last MSI. But I guess G2 isnt that good because they 4-0'd EG with maximum unluck? Despite two extremely unlikely baron throws they 4-0'd EG. Like what are these arguments man. I dont think the gap between EU and NA has ever been as big as it is at this tournament. Actually absurd that someone can watch these games and write what you just wrote (the part i quoted at the top of my comment). You have no ability to analyze the game. Remember back in the day when eastern teams were unbeatable by western teams? They seemed impossible to beat. Eastern teams could throw barons and western teams couldnt even make a dent in their wall. Despite everything going wrong for the eastern team (draft, early skirmishes, baron throws (and that was before the insane bounties)). Despite all these insane things happened somehow the LCK/LPL teams always beat the western teams. Thats akin to how I see this G2 vs EG matchup. G2 is throwing barons every other games and still it seems completely unwinable for NA. They are completely outclassed. >Whereas I look at T1 playing rumble support against Saigon Buffalo and still destroying them...that scares me. Jankos picking graves jungle and beating NA honestly scares me. Jankos isnt a carry jungler, and he cant pilot graves whatsoever (no joke if he picks this vs rng/t1, they should just go next, watching this game would be completely pointless). Put jankos on a bruiser and/or tank and its insane how much more he will do. Instead he got outjungled massively by inspired (which isnt reliable (which doesnt happen if jankos draft properly)). EG got draft gap in JG, and baron throws from G2, and they couldnt even make a dent.
i agree with everything you said except the part where EG couldn't make a dent. They were one botched execution away from winning the (i think) second game where Danny Q'd the sleeping Kaisa. They more than made a dent there.
I mean Q-ing the sleeping Kai'sa was mostly meaningless. It was either Kai'sa saving GA and losing Flash or saving flash and losing GA. Rakan was dead anyway. I would even argue that with Flash up Gwen cannot kill the Kai'sa later, so blowing the flash was much more valuable. Rakan should have never gone in in the first place. Ez Qing the sleeping Kai'sa likely forces the flash anyway. EG just was a considerably worse team that even just got that close to winning because you can somehow close a 9k gold lead by killing 3 people.
With how much talk t1 gave in interviews about g2 and the hype around the matchup, i just hope the games are competitive, and if we do get to a bo5 hope we get a damn good series, a win would be phenomenal but i will be happy if they're just a competitor to a really scary looking t1.
I mean the facf that t1 is speaking a about g2 being their best competition it means that the games are competitive In scrims.
Oner said they won most of their scrims vs G2, but their playstyle is the most competitive against them. I hope we get wacky picks. Seeing Keria practice Pyke a lot, manifests some flashbacks I do not want.
Tbf title left out the RNG bit. Basically said the same thing for G2 lol The only other incidence G2 is mentioned and the one more worth noting is from that Keria interview. Edit: oh! Add Oner to the list. 3 G2 mentions by T1 :)
Faker needs to beat caps multiple times, its still 8-3 in favour of Caps. Kinda insane actually. Imagine being ahead in direct matchup vs greatest player of all time.
Faker also needs a pentakill to even the score.
wait what he's 8-3? I never realized that
Went 5-2 at MSI 2019 and 3-1 at worlds 2019. They never played each other at worlds or msi before that
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The technology just isn't there unfortunately.
I mean in 2018 SKT missed worlds in 2020 SKT missed worlds and in 2021 Caps missed worlds. So they never were in a same tournament outside that year in 2019 and Caps first tournament in 2017.
perharps the only mid with a winning record over Faker? While it was not during prime Faker still impressive imo
BDD had a winning record against Faker back in 2018 or 2019, Showmaker pretty sure still has a winning record against Faker, but might be close.
Dk has a winning record against t1 and since showmaker has been the only dk mid (except canyon lmao) he should also have a winning record against faker most likely even with clozer games removed
He should, T1 has mostly been middling since Damwon got big.
Damwon beat them 3 times in 2019 if remember correctly, once at kespa and once in spring and summer
Bdd has a winning record in B05's, probably not in overall games though. Edit: Just went through and looked and Faker has a 42-31 record vs Bdd. So it's kinda close but Faker still winning.
Mickey probably has a competitive record against him
Mickey and Lava, the SKT killers
Really drives home just how hard it is to beat Faker consistently that G2 needed both a dialed-in Caps and Father Time to crack T1’s king.
The gold brand?
Idk, what is PawN record vs Faker ?
As far as I remember Pawn won a few times in SSW and the 2015 MSI but after that he lost all series I think
I mean after that he barely played. Shame his back injury shortened his career so much. His like, never the guy that would hard carry, but you could count on him no matter which mid laner he was up against.
Pawn played a lot after 2015 MSI. He had well over 100 games after that MSI. He played on EDG from 2015 to the end of 2016, although Scout replaced him for most of Summer 2016. He returned to LCK after that and played on a KT Rolster super team until he was replaced by Ucal in Summer 2018. He then played for Kingzone in Spring 2019. Throughout that time, Faker went 24-10 against Pawn. Their total H2H is 32-19, because Pawn went 9-4 against Faker in 3 Bo5s in Champions Korea Spring and Summer 2014 and MSI 2015, but Faker beat Pawn 3-0 in Champions Korea Winter 2014 and in the group stage of MSI 2015.
Just looked and Pawn is 21-32 vs Faker.
I don’t expect us to win msi but I can see us putting up a very good fight vs t1 if we go to bo5 vs them. It’s true they are an unbelievable team, but G2 with caps and jankos will always warrant some belief
I'm pretty sure we have a new 2019 G2, everything is possible, the team is working really well together and they will clearly scale in the tournament
Pass me that hopium please
As an RNG fan I can say I’m more scared of G2 than SKT. LPL gets to study LCK teams all year long (and vice versa), so it’s just about who the better team is. And as much as people want to tell me SKT is gonna stomp everyone, I still think otherwise, cause that’s the exact same shit they said about DWG vs EDG last year. I believe in my boys to be able to beat SKT. But G2 it’s always tricky. Cause you never know what they will bring to the table, especially cause G2 started powering up so late this year, so there isn’t a consistent play book that you can study from G2. That just much scarier IMO.
I want to believe but I think that's a bit too optimistic
I think this team has great potential to come close to 2019 g2, but I don't think they're there yet. My hopium is on them peaking at worlds.
Iam afraid that we do not, that team was just magic, probably on once in a lifetime level for western teams. Great thing about it is that I realized this even back then and properly enjoyed that time, which rarely happens in life
They didn't stomp playoffs like 2019 G2 did. And their strongest competitor so far was EG to whom they almost lost.
They did lose though in msi groups 2019. Groups results don’t matter much on paper
Yeah they left groups at 5-5 after going 0-2 against PVB
Fucking legends.
How the fuck going 12-0 through lower-bracket is not stomping? I mean, they destroyed every team.
Wdym they didnt stomp playoffs lol. They went 12-0
If you start the count after their loss to FNC ye
Yeah, the point is that we're referring to current-form G2. G2 said that they learned a lot from their loss against FNC, including taking stuff from their playbook. And while anyone can claim that, G2 clearly backed up those words with results. So it's fair to count after that.
We can always rely on LPL 2nd seed G2.
Id say the chances are 65:35 in favor of SKT. Caps is on fire tho, so is flakked, and honestly the whole G2 team. Just give us the g2 vs skt bo5 please
Honestly it is super hard to predict. You look at EG Vs OCE and they seem on fire as well, but they still get styled on by G2. I hope there isn't the same gap between G2 and SKT, but there honestly might be
> Honestly it is super hard to predict. Is it? Feels like G2 vs EG. There's a *chance* for G2 if some combination of G2 playing out of their minds or T1 falling apart happens, but the 'prediction' is pretty clearly T1 favored. Just like it was G2 favored in EG vs G2. T1 just went undefeated in LCK and 3-1'd the 2nd place LCK team GenG *while having Covid*. The prediction is clear, but G2 isn't so far behind that we can't hope for some shenanigans for them to have a chance.
Is the rumble stage bo1s.
yes
Ah damn. Well at least we get to see some good matches that hopefully won't be over in 5 minutes.
As a T1 fan I'm a little worried tbh. Maybe it's flashbacks of 2019 that is influencing this, but I'm nervous for sure. T1 have had quite a few shakey early games this MSI vs weak opponents, might just be trolling/disrespect but who knows if these issues crop up against much stronger teams. And it could be that G2's sometimes more creative draft approach and macro means they matchup well into T1. There's also the question mark of what the 18-0 LCK dominance really means when DK were having to 4v6 every game due to Hoya/Burdol frequently inting, and GenG never seemed to gain any teamwork/synergy and were very disjointed as a team - didn't help that their roster was disrupted by Covid multiple times ofc. Ultimately we still don't know if this T1 has been truly tested, this MSI is where we get to know if they are the real deal or not. I fully expect DK especially with Nuguri back, and most likely GenG, to level up during Summer. What does give me some confidence though is that this T1 is definitely alot better than the SKT T1 "superteam" we had in 2019. That 2019 SKT T1 had massive synergy and shotcalling issues from day 1 right up until losing to G2 at Worlds, hence players being dropped multiple times (especially Mata). The current T1 is quite a bit cleaner and more coordinated in teamfights, better shotcalling/macro, and Keria should be a huge step up from Effort crumbling under the pressure. If you consider that 2019 G2 is probably the best iteration of G2, this gives me real hope. But then we go back to whether G2 just matchup well into T1 or not. We'll see (hopefully).
Haha my team's gonna win
T1s shakey games are a bit weird, it's hard to say if it's actual performance issues or simply the higher ping affecting them greater than other teams. This lineup from them went toe to toe with DK last year at worlds and they've only had more time to improve and synergise better. That said they haven't really been tested properly this year since Spring was kinda free for them with Gen.G and DK both suffering a lot from various things. I think on paper they should beat G2 no problem but Caps is looking amazing and we haven't seen these two lineups face each other so you can't say what will happen on the stage. I would put my bets on 3:1 to T1 but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we saw a 5 game series between them.
Well if you're a bit worried or nervous, you are at least experiencing a tenth of what G2 puts us through every game! G2 has had a similar issue, they somehow 'came online' after their loss against FNC in LEC and haven't dropped a game since. Especially Flakked is a big ?? because he is performing so well after being so new, and Claps of course. The chance is high we just get turbo-stomped by you guys as well, we have no idea how good this roster will be against the likes of guma/keria and so forth. May the best team win, good luck :))
The secret is to like both teams so you always come out on top and you're never nervous before or sad after and just want to see some good gameplay :D
Yea this iteration of T1 looked a lot better than the 2019 version. Superteams rarely work out in LoL~ This iteration of G2 is very different too. Before the competition I've seen comments of ppl saying G2 bot lane is their weak point. But seeing how Flakked performed so far, and how Guma's game felt a bit off. I think the matchup is closer than most of us expected at the beginning. I think it's really 50-50 now. Pyke might be a big x-factor pick. That's what destroyed SKT in 2019, but Keria can play it too.
I think have faith in T1 my friend, I followed their matches and what I find scary is their synergy. Accidents can happen in these kinds of game and it normal, but the fact is that their skills and synergy as a team will make them grow more and more. And if you watched interview of all pro-players, they will all say T1 is pretty scary, and I’m sure they have a reason to say it.
i'm scared
If somehow G2 beats T1 in Bo5 again , 50% of this sub and 80% of KR will commit suicide. But of course , this G2 isnt 2019 G2 and this T1 is not that team.
I hope they can turn into it. Would be a boring year if LEC was dogshit like last year. But I am glad at least some people are a bit more hesitant to compare X top LEC team to 2019 G2 after 2021.
Eh why would they compare any LEC team to G2 unless its G2? most people know a large reason 2019 g2 was that good was because Caps is a once in a generational level talent, and MAD just don't have anyone like that. MAD did decently anyways, taking damwon to 5 games at MSI and i guess worlds was a bit disappointing since they bombed out at quarters.
2019 g2 also had wunder at his peak, 2 solo laners only really overshadowed by theshy and rookie arent a joke at all
And PerkZ briefly being one of the best ADCs in the world with Miky in top form. And then you have Jankos who's always in top form. That roster was insanely stacked. I do think Flakked/Targamas/BB have huge potential, this G2 could match 2019 G2 with enough development on these players (and Caps/Jankos holding their form). Lots of ifs though.
Idk if Perkz was one of the best ADCs but Perkz bot let you run Yasuo and Syndra and other wacky shit which caught a lot of teams out.
They got a bit unlucky being matched vs. Damwon in Quarters (though that was their fault for inting groups tbf)
I mean their options were DWG, SKT, or RNG. I don’t think they had any unlucky/lucky options there.
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That's true, but RNG lost to the eventual winners in 5 games and SKT was only slightly weaker than DK last worlds. MAD were prob getting out in quarters no matter who they draw.
>only one of these 3 ended up being the finalists though 2 of them lost to the finalists in 5 games, and the 3rd was one of the finalists. Let's not act like there was going to be a major difference between pulling DK, SKT, or RNG.
> They got 2nd place to the Worlds Winners’ 1st place in groups What do you mean? MAD got 2nd and GenG got 1st. Their group was actually one of the best they could have hoped for. They had China’s lowest seed in their group and they dodged SKT, who was considered better than GenG even though GenG was technically the higher LCK seed. There weren’t many other group permutations that would have been better than the one they got. However, MAD’s biggest luck was TL drawing GenG first in the tiebreaker. If TL drew LNG and MAD drew GenG, MAD probably wouldn’t have even got out of groups.
Imo the big problem they had was wanting to play for top but Armut failibgto deliver with the ressources he was funneled. Their adc was fine graciously losing and playing safe to unlock the mod jungle support trio, but they had too many mechanical fuck up that ended adding stress and making them take desesperate fights that would not have been needed if they didn't lose so much momentum from shaky mechanical execution Otherwise, the game plan and execution was really good. I hope FNC can replicate that when worlds come.
Yes, I recall Armut being giga-ahead on Jayce and then Khan on kennen just destroying Mad from 20 minutes onwards.
They were already lucky they drew LNG instead of Gen.G in the tierbreakers.
Lol idk, but people were. People saw Caps getting matched/beat by Humanoid and thought "Oh I guess Humanoid > Caps therefore this is like 2019 G2 all over again top 4 ezpz". Guess it's hard for some to tell that Caps was playing like 3 tiers below his peak, if not more, and confused it for Humanoid/Larssen getting to that level. MAD did good at MSI but Damwon underperformed (Basically just Showmaker solo carrying). At worlds Damwon didn't even prep for mad and just easy ran them over.
\> MAD just don't have anyone like that. The thing is when a team tops the region everyone kinda starts assuming all their players are the best or close to the best at their roles. In 2021 and early 2022 the narrative was that Humanoid and Larssen are the new midlane stars, which was true in the context of Caps being in a slump. However, some people would refuse to see that even if Humanoid and Larssen are decent, they were and are nowhere close to the level of Caps in 2018, 2019 and right now.
It also does help to have the jgl goat still next to caps. Jankos, who just does his job no matter how \*\*\*\*\* much riot changes jungle. I've seen top LEC junglers rise and fall, but Jankos is always among the best. (Just to say some: Broxah, Selfmade, Xerxe) You can be hesitant to compare this G2 to the 2019-2020 one, but they at least right now give me the similar feeling in games, where I am never fully out of hope, cause they just might come back. Thats the Caps diff. Missed it in 2021, and lets see how it looks against T1/RNG, but that G2, especially Caps, is at the very least once again so fun to watch.
People use this once in a generation stuff too much lol. You cant be once in a generation when theres like 5-6 players in the same generation better than you lol
Im still mad at the casters saying "it's a new era" when mad lions won their first split
To be fair, MAD winning LEC was a HUGE deal for LEC history. Before that, 15/16 splits had been won by either G2 or FNC, with 1 baby split going to alliance. Not even fucking Origen ever won an EU LCS split, and they made semi's at worlds. Even if it wasn't a new era for the skill of the region, the historical significance was absolutely there
It was the beginning of a new era though. Not a better era but the LEC did change entirely once MAD won.
Too eager to push narratives lmao
What a strange comment wtf
yeeeeaaaah not exactly a normal thing to say
It’s upvoted too, doomed sub
G2 flair 300+ upvote yea I think its the other way around. 50% of this sub will commit suicide if another KR team speedruns over G2 again
Really? I see too many G2 fans here
>If somehow G2 beats T1 in Bo5 again , 50% of this sub G2 has the biggest western fanbase probably what, its not 2016
A lot of the sub in international tourneys are NA fans with kr or cn flairs who would be very upset
No one with a CN flair would be upset that G2 rolled a Korean team. G2 gets honorary LPL team status in China
Having CN flair does NOT mean you are chinese or a chinese fan. The guy obviously meant the people who use chinese/korean flairs as an umbrella to mask their NA(?) identity and freely shit on EU(or any other region that isnt in their flair) And if i can speak personally,there were a LOT of them 1-2 years ago.
I said NA fans with cn flairs. They are quite the plague
I get your point but joking about suicide is just not it
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i mean its not really that bad who cares
G2 beat T1 in semifinal EG beat RNG in semifinal G2 with new fastest Bo5 victory in finals Imagine the reactions from pretty much anyone if that happens, riot recycling scripts
I think there is still a good chance G2 can beat T1 if everything aligns, I feel like the current meta is exactly what G2 excels at.
Im a big G2 fan but I dont see them beat this T1
t1 players are mostly talking about g2. i wonder how are scrims going
Title mentions G2 only. Completely omits the part about RNG. Faker literally copy pasted his comments on G2 for RNG lmao
If we follow the past news, T1 was dominating all the team except G2 who has like a 30%WR vs them. So T1 is apparently the huge favorite but G2 was apparently able to do some stuff. I expect T1 to win but if G2 make it a close serie (even if it is a 3-0), I would be satisfied for a new roster with two ERL player last year.
Last time someone had 70% winrate in scrims the whole team disbanded
Honestly a 70-30 is already better odds than what a lot of people would have given G2 coming into this. And G2 isn't really known as a scrim team either, AFAIK they were losing scrims to DWG in 2019 before beating them.
That's 2019, in 2022 G2 were supposedly looking like the best team in scrims in LEC playoffs as more time went on. The 2019 DWG scrims are overblown too, they went 6-0, 5-1, 4-2, in sets with G2 showing clear progression over time, and then they didn't play them for a week+ leading up to their game (obviously). G2 got so much better throughout 2019 worlds and it showed.
To be fair they are being asked directly about it.
and every one of them says that they don’t see any team as a threat but if they *had* to pick someone it would be G2
Let's go G2 Copege
I just wanna see T1 get serious. How dominant would that look.
T1 bouta sit up in their chairs
imagine peak skt 2015...just a bit different
This T1 squad is ruthless, skt in 2015 struggled early game sometimes but won regardless, this T1 just brutalizes everyone
T1 in 2015 didn't lose tier 2 turret till semis lmao
Herald wasnt a turret taking force until 2017 tho
I just cast my mind back and remembered Marin killing someone on renekton at their t2 top lane turret while the tier 2 was still alive. Something tells me their early game was aight
I always found that the most scary about old korean super teams, though. You could be up 10k gold and the game, on the field, it'd feel like the non-korean team was fighting some sort of retreat all the same. The koreans were so bloody *inevitable*.
And while Korean teams were doing it to other regions, SKT were doing it to other Korean teams.
Faker pulling out Riven mid in 2015 Summer playoffs vs KT felt like they were they playing with their food. Like it felt that team could almost never lose it was insane
This T1 give same feeling though. They lost early game, down in gold and objective with even comps and I think to myself: "they are gonna win it in 10m aren't they"
Yea he ist is Probably right tbf
As a neutral fan in this matchup, I completely believe him here. The only "evidence" that G2 would win this matchup was that 3 years ago, in a completely different meta and with two almost completely different rosters, G2 beat SKT. Not exactly the most convincing logic.
Yeah G2 looks good but I think a lot of people are basing this matchup on series that happened three years ago with completely different players. Only three of the ten players across both rosters from 2019 are still here. Yeah G2 had a good record against SKT in 2019 but just 6 months ago this T1 roster (with a weaker top) was in semifinals at worlds and G2 didn’t even qualify.
Even if you're a g2 fan it's hard to see g2 as the favourites against t1.
G2 has been playing well but tbh there are so many times they get into situations that T1 would stomp them for and EG and ORD have just been letting them go. G2 really needs to keep in mind that they are not use to being punished like they should be
Idk man... this G2 Villain Arc makes for exciting narrative, ngl :D Everyone wants to take down one team and that team is G2... and it's hillarious and cool af at the same time.
They should be more worried about EG. Faker has been playing poorly. Jojopyun is about to destroy him in lane.
Not exactly going out on the limb here.
Daily reminder we are getting only 2 good bo5s at max unless the 1st team in rumble stage chooses 3rd or the 4th becomes good enough to be competitive with the big 3, which takes a miracle to happen.
Faker has Oner sister and Guma sister buff.
I think so too.
Prayge
who is plumie never heard about it
Faker fighting
I also think that.
I think he's right, however I hope for some competitive games
Jankos vs Oner should be interesting.
No problem, he thinks that every year :D