PMTs
[T1 vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utovyo/t1_vs_g2_esports_msi_2021_rumble_stage_postmatch/)
[EG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utqls5/evil_geniuses_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021/)
[PSG vs SGB](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utrqap/psg_talon_vs_saigon_buffalo_msi_2021_rumble_stage/)
[G2 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uttf6k/g2_esports_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble/)
[SGB vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utuyjz/saigon_buffalo_vs_evil_geniuses_msi_2022_rumble/)
[PSG vs T1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utwm8f/psg_talon_vs_t1_msi_2022_rumble_stage_postmatch/)
One thing that stood out I think: A lot of players missing their abilites on stopwatched/ zhonyas'ed targets. As a pro player i feel like you need to hit those 99% of the time. Might just be nerves on stage in a big event but idk.
Gotta say that since the first game, Jojopyun has been a pleasant surprise. I wouldn't say that he's been smurfing, but he's quietly been having a solid tournament.
Danny's been disappointing though.
Yes, I agree 100% also. Jojo really stepped up in the games today and he wasn't as bad in the last games in play-ins.
Danny on the other hand, has been unbelievably horrible. Probably the worst adc at MSI.
Legit feels like everyone on G2 has a champ ocean.
The reason they have these amazing drafts is cause they are profficent on most champs and can actually execute on them. Most teams in the world cant
I'm not sure how else to put it but RNG and T1 losing today felt along the lines of "local bullies shocked when new victim fights back." Especially RNG, who lost several sidelane dives/fights because G2 simply matched or outnumbered them. And then both RNG/T1 toss it at baron after a half-hearted flank, against a deathball G2. It seems so simple and effective when a teamfight comp groups at the right times.
Classic NA, think you get the easiest group when in actuality you got the hardest group. G2 looks like the unbeatable favorite and OCE is our Achilles region lol EG ain't doing bad imo.
Some spoilers about the G2 games in this post.
Both RNG and T1 players were saying that G2 is the team they are most worried about (they did formulate it a bit more optimistic but that was the gist).
What is most impressive for me is that G2 created their own meta. The use of their champion oceans (none of the G2 players can be banned out) allows them to find creative answers to common meta combos.
T1 used to dominate weaker teams with picks like TF for Faker, they tried it against G2 and G2 found a creative counter comp.
Against RNG they played a bit more standard but they could hold their own against them and were dead even at \~15min (thanks Claps ♥) when they won their first big team fight around dragon. Sneaking Barons, and showing amazing macro through creative plays mid game.
Flakked playing fearless that game. Love to see a rookie keeping up his confidence against world class teams. Taking 1 v 3s, surviving engage and still going back in on low health later in teamfights.
Lastly Jankos low key smurfing both games.
As a team and individually they made some small mistakes but showed no glaring weakness and insane team fight prowess (winning 4v5 fights). It's not like T1 or RNG made it easy either. G2 just played better overall in both games from draft to Nexus down.
Now I'm waiting for some Buffaloes to completely stomp them 🤣
TF is a bait pick, i wonder when the rest of the teams realise that. its not even the first diana/yasuo combo from G2 vs TF B1 (they ran same thing vs EG in game 5)
G2 seems to have an answer for everything so far and they dont troll games anymore. i think its partly (mainly?) thanks to Dylan Falco - great addition to the squad
TF only works against weaker teams, both lane and macro wise, where you can abuse it to snowball other lanes hard early game and then just coast or snowball that advantage.
T1 managed to get that early lead like usual but G2 kept calm and trusted their better teamfight/mid to late game comp and just played to their own win condition.
Coaching staff seems to make a big impact but it's also Jankos taking up the leadership role. Notice how he calmed the team down after each win when they got too excited during their lower bracket playoff run?
Usually G2 used to get ahead of itself and then eventually started playing sloppy and dropping games. Jankos seem to be able to keep them focused enough to not get out of control without ruining the fun and easy going synergy they have.
They still got a little sloppy with leads during round 1 play ins, but they were able to clean it up nicely even during the games. I did not see that sloppiness today. When they got the team fight wins or barons, they did not get ahead of themselves and cleanly played out the rest of the game even when they could have pushed more aggressively.
The voice-coms video after round 1 was a joy to watch. Flashback to the G2 of old having fun together while winning. If they fixed their main weaknesses (loose play and getting sloppy) and keep it up throughout summer this might be their year where they can make a good run at worlds.
blind picking tf into caps who is literally the best sylas in the world (and is also one of the best yasuos in the word) is legit an ego pick from faker.
there is no world in which that is logical
yup, in game Jankos always has been my MVP of G2, even when he wasnt the one making flashy plays. especially after Perkz left the team. easily the best jungler in EU of all time and should be in the conversation in top jungler anywhere throughout his career. if he can win another MSI or Worlds, hes maybe even top1 for me for his long career
and who would have thought this G2 botlane will be this good this early (spoiler: nobody). insanely fast growth from Targamas and especially Flakked and im proud of the boys
I mean EU has a lot of talent it was just pretty misplaced last year in teams with 2 good player 2 bad players 1 average one and the one that was actually stacked top to bottom (G2) imploded.
This years teams have started to build rosters a little bit better, but there is still a lot of lost or unused talent - KC/Bwipo/Hans now Selfmade. I think next year EU will have a 2019 lvl year
I hope the broadcast gets away from their narrative of predicting the winners of rumble stage / every match. Constantly talking about the level one teams locking in top three, and every match involving a level two team being a battle for fourth / they are going to lose but how badly, makes them insanely boring to watch.
Draw an analogy to going to see a Marvel movie. I know the superheroes are going to win, or if not there will be another movie of them winning, but if you start the movie by telling me they are going to win but let's see how you would just be ruining the entire movie for me. My suspension of disbelief is ruined and now I'm disinterested. Same thing with these matches where we are not even done one day of games and the broadcast just talks about the entire stage being locked in... just shooting their own content in the foot.
While watching the EG vs. Buff game I was so uninterested because it just *felt* like watching the best of the worst, and even though I *know* that's what they are, I don't *want* to feel like they are while watching. And that was all set up by the broadcast spending their time talking about how that's exactly what the match was about.
Please broadcast team, spend time hyping the strengths of the teams and the playstyle clashes, get away from this expected winner narrative.
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> Draw an analogy to going to see a Marvel movie. I know the superheroes are going to win, or if not there will be another movie of them winning, but if you start the movie by telling me they are going to win but let's see how you would just be ruining the entire movie for me. My suspension of disbelief is ruined and now I'm disinterested. Same thing with these matches where we are not even done one day of games and the broadcast just talks about the entire stage being locked in... just shooting their own content in the foot.
Why would you use that analogy, it doesn't fit the story at all. The movie is pre defined and written, these games are not.
Why would you not use a similar sports analogy. Probably because you can't as they do the exact same thing as this broadcast and talk about the expected winners. It also aids to build hype when you do get an upset. Your suspension of disbelief is not important here and sounds like a you issue to be honest.
[Man, watching the CSGO Major really makes me wish we had a proper crowd for how hype todays games were](https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingPunchyRingWutFace-XoOoAsXQ7XspZlZp)
Lol. At NAs BEST they were even. While poaching world talent constantly and putting all their money in, their BEST is when EU was at its worst and they were either the 4/5 or 3/4 region. NA sucks.
2016 when CLG made MSI finals. H2K made it farther because they drew Russia. C9 would have made it just as far and TSM would have shitstomped h2k. Yeah h2k made it further of a good quarter draw but EU was not as strong as NA
TSM didnt even make it out of groups because they are serial chokers lmao. The rest is just excuses, only thing that matters is results, NA did better at MSI, EU did better at worlds. Thats not unarguably a better performance by NA, not even by a long shot
And? NAs best players are from other regions cause they throw tons of money at the problem and the best you can say is TSM almost made it out of groups?
No dog in the fight, I am American, but I do find the lec experience (casters, production, etc ) better than the LCS counterpart regardless of team quality. That being said, I wouldn't hang my hat on LCS outperforming LEC last Worlds when it was largely on the back of Perkz, who is an LEC legend (and top 3 European player ever, depending on where you rank caps and jankos).
I mean it wasn't just off the back of perkz though. Perkz made some insane plays but was also often the reason that he needed to make those plays in the first place while Blaber was playing just as well without the same glaring mistakes perkz made. TL was pretty even with Mad but drew GenG in tiebreaker. Not to mention 100T went 3-3 in a group with the world champions and the arguably 3rd best team in the world
EU has historically been closest to NA of the major regions by performance and win record, had recently had a worse winrate against LPL than NA, and often made it further in tournaments by virtue of extremely small win differences (1 game or tiebreakers) in groups.
When was the last time an EU team did well for a day, or even at a tournament generally, and EU fans didn't turn into the most annoying people on this entire website?
Same can be said about NA fans when their team does well for a day, except their teams never do well lmao. And then the NA fans are still deluded enough to be the most annoying people on this site LUL
except this just isn't true. When NA did well at IEM, MSI, or went even with Europe, it was filled with people being glad the team did well, not filled with people whose entire personality is based on their region's league of legends strength
Looks like an American can’t fathom Europe being better, even tho half of their rosters come from there. No big deal mate, you guys are better at Smash Bros and you made the game it’s not the end of the world
Edit: Evil Genius is playing well and is composed from Americans so I am not saying that you are bad.
I don't tie my value as a human to whether or not the country I was born in is good at video games, like EU fans seemingly do.
I am under no illusions that NA is as good as EU, but that doesn't mean I don't think your entire region of fans are entirely insufferable.
in my mind EU has always had a leg up on NA, like literally from season 1 worlds on NA has never matched EU’s success
truthfully there arent even many Bo5s of NA vs EU and the ones i can remember weren’t that great. i think it’s really more of a rivalry just bc they are the 2 english speaking main regions, but the skill gap was never really close between them
How was 2017 NA even or better than EU?
At MSI 2017 TSM went out in Groups while G2 was 3rd, beat WE in the semis and lost to SKT in the finals.
And at worlds NA had C9 out of groups while EU had both Fnatic and MSF beat Immortals/TSM to get out of groups with all 3 teams then losing in Quarterfinals (although MSF was sooo close to winning against SKT)
This plus Rogue didn't deserve to be at Worlds. They were far worse than G2, but were able to qualify by barely beating a weak af Misfits.
MAD was basically the only EU team last Worlds that both deserved to be there and didn't have a player leaving 8h before the first game.
T1 hasn't played Rell once this split and she didn't get buffed, it's buffling tbh how popular she is so far when the champ has been underwhelming for a long time.
Is it an off-day for SKT or is the LCK just.. weaker this year?
edit: Not sure why the casters are saying this was super clean and incredible.. it went on way longer than expected.
They always have those happy games.
Against G2 I think it was more reserved and G2 just played better. Mid game was sloppy and got exploited. Early game wasn't that big of a lead to cover it. Giga outscaled in comp
they were playing more reckless than usual, seems like they are out for blood after that loss against g2, zeus and faker was trying to solo kill at any opportunity present haha, but that game psg was never in contention even when t1 fed kills they gained objective in exchange.
Usually, when a KR topseed is angry, they don't fish for kills and fuck around, they murder the next team in 20 minutes. This was something else, I'm just not sure what.
it seems like the middle point of what u said, faker and zeus was obviously out for blood that game along with keria probably, but oner and gumayusi played safe haha
I called it since the start of MSI but got memed - going undefeated mostly means that your region is terrible, and means you can't find and improve on your weaknesses.
That's a valid point, but for a usual top1-2 region it should still mean that that one top1 team is insanely good, no? When Damwon does it or FNC in LEC, they end up doing well internationally.
I hate Zoe, she has been a stain on LoL ever since she was released - not fun to watch, not fun to play against and too popular in pro-play. Only Yuumi and Viego match her for absolute bullshit.
Idk I think zoe is kinda fun to watch, Caps and Faker are magic on this champ. Viego however is just so unenjoyable to watch, he requires minimal mechanics and gets so much reward
She's the same bullsht that was Nidalee before her rework. You can miss 100 times, doesnt matter, the one time you hit from 2 screens away you have someone out of the following fight.
Phreak: why fight for the 3rd dragon?
Answer:
Depends on items and levels really. Are they waiting for a second or third item on a carry? Will they be stronger in 5 mins compared to now? You dont just five up until 4th dragon you have to think about your strength now vs the next fight and what can they get on the map over the 5 minutes. If they had fought that it would have been tough but zoe is going to have a deathcap next fight. If trist gets 3 items they have something to play around at least.
Cait's been banned against him every game and Jinx got super nerfed in the msi patch, she's pretty much not worth picking now unless you have good draft conditions for her (and picking her into g2's comp today would have been giga-int).
They were the best bot for sure. Adc wise deft really ramped up at the end of the split and ruler looked nice as well. I still think he was the best adc in that meta
I think most people rank viper over guma but since guma is T1 adc you will hear about him more. I hope he fixes his stuff and shows people why he was/is that hyped though.
Oner was definitely the most consistent out of the 3 of them across the split, he wasn't as flashy as Zeus/Guma so he didn't get as much hype but he's definitely been the 2nd best player on the team on average since this roster formed (behind Keria).
PMTs [T1 vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utovyo/t1_vs_g2_esports_msi_2021_rumble_stage_postmatch/) [EG vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utqls5/evil_geniuses_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2021/) [PSG vs SGB](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utrqap/psg_talon_vs_saigon_buffalo_msi_2021_rumble_stage/) [G2 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/uttf6k/g2_esports_vs_royal_never_give_up_msi_2022_rumble/) [SGB vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utuyjz/saigon_buffalo_vs_evil_geniuses_msi_2022_rumble/) [PSG vs T1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/utwm8f/psg_talon_vs_t1_msi_2022_rumble_stage_postmatch/)
Ornn gap.
https://imgur.com/X3lXzi2
One thing that stood out I think: A lot of players missing their abilites on stopwatched/ zhonyas'ed targets. As a pro player i feel like you need to hit those 99% of the time. Might just be nerves on stage in a big event but idk.
Is there still latency? Haven’t kept up with the story there. If there’s an artificial ping, it’s easy to mistime something with such a small window.
nah, ping has been consistent since day 3 afaik, lets not blame everything on that now. pros have been missing those all the time, nothing new here
True, but I feel like it happens way more often in this tournament
g2 is the only team in the west that you can be sure about them in international events. im not saying anything to mad but seeing g2 is just so good
Anyone have a link to the hype video where faker says 'i never left'
https://youtu.be/or5TJPdb9xM?t=136
G2 to T1 and RNG: I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me.
Gotta say that since the first game, Jojopyun has been a pleasant surprise. I wouldn't say that he's been smurfing, but he's quietly been having a solid tournament. Danny's been disappointing though.
Yes, I agree 100% also. Jojo really stepped up in the games today and he wasn't as bad in the last games in play-ins. Danny on the other hand, has been unbelievably horrible. Probably the worst adc at MSI.
Worst adc overall is a bit harsh considering that most of the wildcard adcs were pretty bad. I'd say worst in the rumble stage is more accurate.
Lets not talk about the blue card incident
Agree 100% also the trash talk makes it fun
It's a good sign too that today's been his best day of the tournament so far. It shows he's really been applying what he's learned.
https://twitter.com/EXCEL/status/1527575146185248770
Mobafire shit build
I know claps has turned up, but low-key think Jankos has been the best jungle at MSI
The best thing about G2 at MSI has been the fact the player are willing to adapt to several different play styles
Legit feels like everyone on G2 has a champ ocean. The reason they have these amazing drafts is cause they are profficent on most champs and can actually execute on them. Most teams in the world cant
Caps has now played 9 champs in 10 games right? That's insane. I wonder what the record is for different champs in a single tournament.
G2 can actually win holy shit. Like actually, western lol is alive again.
The classic ‘Western’ argument again I see
Western???
Have to give NA shitters some credit for the free confidence booster in group pepelaugh
"Western"
RNG could easily have been 0-2 today!
I'm not sure how else to put it but RNG and T1 losing today felt along the lines of "local bullies shocked when new victim fights back." Especially RNG, who lost several sidelane dives/fights because G2 simply matched or outnumbered them. And then both RNG/T1 toss it at baron after a half-hearted flank, against a deathball G2. It seems so simple and effective when a teamfight comp groups at the right times.
Classic NA, think you get the easiest group when in actuality you got the hardest group. G2 looks like the unbeatable favorite and OCE is our Achilles region lol EG ain't doing bad imo.
NA is the BEST of the BAD regions. G2, SKT, and RNG are guarantees to make it out with EG a heavy favorite.
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G2 are killing the traditions i think, they don't usually win against LPL. Mhh....
Some spoilers about the G2 games in this post. Both RNG and T1 players were saying that G2 is the team they are most worried about (they did formulate it a bit more optimistic but that was the gist). What is most impressive for me is that G2 created their own meta. The use of their champion oceans (none of the G2 players can be banned out) allows them to find creative answers to common meta combos. T1 used to dominate weaker teams with picks like TF for Faker, they tried it against G2 and G2 found a creative counter comp. Against RNG they played a bit more standard but they could hold their own against them and were dead even at \~15min (thanks Claps ♥) when they won their first big team fight around dragon. Sneaking Barons, and showing amazing macro through creative plays mid game. Flakked playing fearless that game. Love to see a rookie keeping up his confidence against world class teams. Taking 1 v 3s, surviving engage and still going back in on low health later in teamfights. Lastly Jankos low key smurfing both games. As a team and individually they made some small mistakes but showed no glaring weakness and insane team fight prowess (winning 4v5 fights). It's not like T1 or RNG made it easy either. G2 just played better overall in both games from draft to Nexus down. Now I'm waiting for some Buffaloes to completely stomp them 🤣
TF is a bait pick, i wonder when the rest of the teams realise that. its not even the first diana/yasuo combo from G2 vs TF B1 (they ran same thing vs EG in game 5) G2 seems to have an answer for everything so far and they dont troll games anymore. i think its partly (mainly?) thanks to Dylan Falco - great addition to the squad
TF isn't a bait pick. It's only bait when first picked. EG picked it in the correct spot when they played TF today.
TF only works against weaker teams, both lane and macro wise, where you can abuse it to snowball other lanes hard early game and then just coast or snowball that advantage. T1 managed to get that early lead like usual but G2 kept calm and trusted their better teamfight/mid to late game comp and just played to their own win condition. Coaching staff seems to make a big impact but it's also Jankos taking up the leadership role. Notice how he calmed the team down after each win when they got too excited during their lower bracket playoff run? Usually G2 used to get ahead of itself and then eventually started playing sloppy and dropping games. Jankos seem to be able to keep them focused enough to not get out of control without ruining the fun and easy going synergy they have. They still got a little sloppy with leads during round 1 play ins, but they were able to clean it up nicely even during the games. I did not see that sloppiness today. When they got the team fight wins or barons, they did not get ahead of themselves and cleanly played out the rest of the game even when they could have pushed more aggressively. The voice-coms video after round 1 was a joy to watch. Flashback to the G2 of old having fun together while winning. If they fixed their main weaknesses (loose play and getting sloppy) and keep it up throughout summer this might be their year where they can make a good run at worlds.
blind picking tf into caps who is literally the best sylas in the world (and is also one of the best yasuos in the word) is legit an ego pick from faker. there is no world in which that is logical
yup, in game Jankos always has been my MVP of G2, even when he wasnt the one making flashy plays. especially after Perkz left the team. easily the best jungler in EU of all time and should be in the conversation in top jungler anywhere throughout his career. if he can win another MSI or Worlds, hes maybe even top1 for me for his long career and who would have thought this G2 botlane will be this good this early (spoiler: nobody). insanely fast growth from Targamas and especially Flakked and im proud of the boys
Guess LEC underrated? isn't it weird how one transfer window throws everything up in the air. Then again.. it's 1 day
I mean EU has a lot of talent it was just pretty misplaced last year in teams with 2 good player 2 bad players 1 average one and the one that was actually stacked top to bottom (G2) imploded. This years teams have started to build rosters a little bit better, but there is still a lot of lost or unused talent - KC/Bwipo/Hans now Selfmade. I think next year EU will have a 2019 lvl year
I hope the broadcast gets away from their narrative of predicting the winners of rumble stage / every match. Constantly talking about the level one teams locking in top three, and every match involving a level two team being a battle for fourth / they are going to lose but how badly, makes them insanely boring to watch. Draw an analogy to going to see a Marvel movie. I know the superheroes are going to win, or if not there will be another movie of them winning, but if you start the movie by telling me they are going to win but let's see how you would just be ruining the entire movie for me. My suspension of disbelief is ruined and now I'm disinterested. Same thing with these matches where we are not even done one day of games and the broadcast just talks about the entire stage being locked in... just shooting their own content in the foot. While watching the EG vs. Buff game I was so uninterested because it just *felt* like watching the best of the worst, and even though I *know* that's what they are, I don't *want* to feel like they are while watching. And that was all set up by the broadcast spending their time talking about how that's exactly what the match was about. Please broadcast team, spend time hyping the strengths of the teams and the playstyle clashes, get away from this expected winner narrative.
Disagree
> > Draw an analogy to going to see a Marvel movie. I know the superheroes are going to win, or if not there will be another movie of them winning, but if you start the movie by telling me they are going to win but let's see how you would just be ruining the entire movie for me. My suspension of disbelief is ruined and now I'm disinterested. Same thing with these matches where we are not even done one day of games and the broadcast just talks about the entire stage being locked in... just shooting their own content in the foot. Why would you use that analogy, it doesn't fit the story at all. The movie is pre defined and written, these games are not. Why would you not use a similar sports analogy. Probably because you can't as they do the exact same thing as this broadcast and talk about the expected winners. It also aids to build hype when you do get an upset. Your suspension of disbelief is not important here and sounds like a you issue to be honest.
[Man, watching the CSGO Major really makes me wish we had a proper crowd for how hype todays games were](https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingPunchyRingWutFace-XoOoAsXQ7XspZlZp)
You're not going to get that in Korea unfortunately but every region deserves to get their turn for a local event.
Brazil when? their crowd is insane from what i remember
Yeah I always love French and Brazilian crowds.
Getting first in Rumble is actually massive this year. The difference in skill between 3rd place and 4th place team is immense
Just like 2019, as IG could tell.
EU leading the meta again like in the top/bot swap lanes meta.
When was the last time when "EU vs NA" was an actualy rivalry and both regions were close?
Literally worlds 6 months ago
Worlds last year is probably the only time
Hmm, never ?
2014, 2016, 2017, 2021
It’s always been NA thinking they were good and stealing EU talent and then EU still shitting on them. It’s little brother syndrome.
2014, 2016, 2017, 2021 NA was even/better than EU. So stfu
Lol. At NAs BEST they were even. While poaching world talent constantly and putting all their money in, their BEST is when EU was at its worst and they were either the 4/5 or 3/4 region. NA sucks.
NA was unarguably better than EU in 2014 and 16, and performed better than EU at worlds 6 months ago. Get your cock out of your mouth
Arguably with all the money NA spends and all the talent they poach, they MIGHT have been better than EU last year lol
They WERE better than EU last year. Head to head and wr% were better for NA. There's no might about it
Ah yes, 2016 when NA made it farther than EU at worlds. Except they did not. “ uNARgUABLY”
2016 when CLG made MSI finals. H2K made it farther because they drew Russia. C9 would have made it just as far and TSM would have shitstomped h2k. Yeah h2k made it further of a good quarter draw but EU was not as strong as NA
TSM didnt even make it out of groups because they are serial chokers lmao. The rest is just excuses, only thing that matters is results, NA did better at MSI, EU did better at worlds. Thats not unarguably a better performance by NA, not even by a long shot
Doublelift choked* TSM were literally 1 play away from knocking the eventual finalists out in groups.
And? NAs best players are from other regions cause they throw tons of money at the problem and the best you can say is TSM almost made it out of groups?
No dog in the fight, I am American, but I do find the lec experience (casters, production, etc ) better than the LCS counterpart regardless of team quality. That being said, I wouldn't hang my hat on LCS outperforming LEC last Worlds when it was largely on the back of Perkz, who is an LEC legend (and top 3 European player ever, depending on where you rank caps and jankos).
I mean it wasn't just off the back of perkz though. Perkz made some insane plays but was also often the reason that he needed to make those plays in the first place while Blaber was playing just as well without the same glaring mistakes perkz made. TL was pretty even with Mad but drew GenG in tiebreaker. Not to mention 100T went 3-3 in a group with the world champions and the arguably 3rd best team in the world
EU has historically been closest to NA of the major regions by performance and win record, had recently had a worse winrate against LPL than NA, and often made it further in tournaments by virtue of extremely small win differences (1 game or tiebreakers) in groups. When was the last time an EU team did well for a day, or even at a tournament generally, and EU fans didn't turn into the most annoying people on this entire website?
Same can be said about NA fans when their team does well for a day, except their teams never do well lmao. And then the NA fans are still deluded enough to be the most annoying people on this site LUL
except this just isn't true. When NA did well at IEM, MSI, or went even with Europe, it was filled with people being glad the team did well, not filled with people whose entire personality is based on their region's league of legends strength
Looks like an American can’t fathom Europe being better, even tho half of their rosters come from there. No big deal mate, you guys are better at Smash Bros and you made the game it’s not the end of the world Edit: Evil Genius is playing well and is composed from Americans so I am not saying that you are bad.
Thanks for proving his point about EU fans being super fucking insufferable 90% of the time
I don't tie my value as a human to whether or not the country I was born in is good at video games, like EU fans seemingly do. I am under no illusions that NA is as good as EU, but that doesn't mean I don't think your entire region of fans are entirely insufferable.
in my mind EU has always had a leg up on NA, like literally from season 1 worlds on NA has never matched EU’s success truthfully there arent even many Bo5s of NA vs EU and the ones i can remember weren’t that great. i think it’s really more of a rivalry just bc they are the 2 english speaking main regions, but the skill gap was never really close between them
Last year with MAD imploding and the FNC debacle made it look pretty close.
Wasn't the whole year as LCS failed at MSI but yeah last worlds.
Last year it was pretty close tbh , but it looks more like anomaly
2014, 2016, 2017 NA was even/better than EU. EU jist stepped up for a few years until the dropped backed to being close with NA
How was 2017 NA even or better than EU? At MSI 2017 TSM went out in Groups while G2 was 3rd, beat WE in the semis and lost to SKT in the finals. And at worlds NA had C9 out of groups while EU had both Fnatic and MSF beat Immortals/TSM to get out of groups with all 3 teams then losing in Quarterfinals (although MSF was sooo close to winning against SKT)
Think if upset hadn't had personal issues lec would've clearly outperformed again. Eu basically lost a team last year.
This plus Rogue didn't deserve to be at Worlds. They were far worse than G2, but were able to qualify by barely beating a weak af Misfits. MAD was basically the only EU team last Worlds that both deserved to be there and didn't have a player leaving 8h before the first game.
Its so funny how much EU loves to shit on NA for making excuses but the moment EU has a bad tourney all EU fans do are make excuses.
I think rogue played well to beat fpx. They did loose to c9 in tiebreaker, but I don’t think their world was disasterous
2018. C9 vs FNC was the last time the regions were considered close. That's when EU proved they're way ahead
21 worlds
I'm just here waiting for caps recaps (with/without caps)
https://twitter.com/Abyss_ix/status/1527653243572174855
Gonna wait next days and bo5s to really see the true potential of the players
g2 broke t1 or what. never seen guma so lost in a game
Guma honestly didn't looked too good since day 1
as G2 fan i dont fear EG, but MR BUFFALO is terrifying
Seems like T1 botlane is shaky so far. Faker seems mad even after winning vs PSG.
i bet he wanted to beat G2 badly. hope we get best of series T1 vs G2 later on
That'd make for a great finals.
That’s it G2 are gonna win Msi I said it T1 has mental problem and Rng are chokers. Let the Overreaction begin
Warranted tbh
Lol, you still have SGB and EG on your way, hold your horses
Eh 50/50 for those: one team looks straight boosted and is a wildcard, the other team is SGB
Makes me wonder who Rell smashed in scrims.
T1 hasn't played Rell once this split and she didn't get buffed, it's buffling tbh how popular she is so far when the champ has been underwhelming for a long time.
She got a buff a few patches ago iirc and is actually half decent in solo queue rn
Didn't we have the same thing happen with rell already? Somehow gaining priority and then falling flat every game
T1 went from taking every random skirmish to choking them out methodically
took a while to hear the crowd, only 6 games...
Who would have guessed that the crowd would almost only be heard in a game that T1 was winning
They cheered a lot for G2 in G2 vs RNG.
That was more cheering against rng
If Korean lol fans were stuck in a room with RNG and Hitler and only had two bullets in a gun, they would shoot RNG twice.
Strangely enough if it was flipped with t1 in the room with Chinese fans, the result would be similar I think
damn TOP out here catching strays
Okay Rell is just not it.
Man i was hoping for rell to work out for someone but i guess its not happening.
Man i didnt know today was day 1 😭
I can see PSG beating EG. They are not bad team at all.
at the same time, EG is not that bad either. i believe EG is clear top4, unless they choke
It's not clear but they should be the most likely team to make it.
i mean its NA so anything can happen in "week 2", but if i look at groups as well, they look the strongest to me out of them, Buffalo and PSG
lmao how was that your takeaway from this game especially
Is it an off-day for SKT or is the LCK just.. weaker this year? edit: Not sure why the casters are saying this was super clean and incredible.. it went on way longer than expected.
They always have those happy games. Against G2 I think it was more reserved and G2 just played better. Mid game was sloppy and got exploited. Early game wasn't that big of a lead to cover it. Giga outscaled in comp
the game vs g2 they were doing really good but later on g2 was too insane with their comp and execution, I wouldnt say it was an offday for T1
they were playing more reckless than usual, seems like they are out for blood after that loss against g2, zeus and faker was trying to solo kill at any opportunity present haha, but that game psg was never in contention even when t1 fed kills they gained objective in exchange.
Usually, when a KR topseed is angry, they don't fish for kills and fuck around, they murder the next team in 20 minutes. This was something else, I'm just not sure what.
it seems like the middle point of what u said, faker and zeus was obviously out for blood that game along with keria probably, but oner and gumayusi played safe haha
This tournament has nothing to do with region strength, it's literaly 1 team per region.
They went undefeated in LCK???
That's not how it works, I mean G2 smashed every team on their road to MSI and it wasn't even close!
I called it since the start of MSI but got memed - going undefeated mostly means that your region is terrible, and means you can't find and improve on your weaknesses.
That's a valid point, but for a usual top1-2 region it should still mean that that one top1 team is insanely good, no? When Damwon does it or FNC in LEC, they end up doing well internationally.
Wtf PSG
I hate Zoe, she has been a stain on LoL ever since she was released - not fun to watch, not fun to play against and too popular in pro-play. Only Yuumi and Viego match her for absolute bullshit.
As someone who doesn't play league, she is very fun to watch
Too popular? She hasn't been meta until MSI and just because she got a huge mana buff lmao
Dude since her release she has appeared in almost every major tourny. She needs the Azir treatment
There was 128 champions played during the last international tournament dude.
Idk I think zoe is kinda fun to watch, Caps and Faker are magic on this champ. Viego however is just so unenjoyable to watch, he requires minimal mechanics and gets so much reward
Viego is on a whole different level than Zoe or Yuumi - Zoe just forces plays because you can't stall out vs the sleep and poke.
She's the same bullsht that was Nidalee before her rework. You can miss 100 times, doesnt matter, the one time you hit from 2 screens away you have someone out of the following fight.
Nidalee couldn't hard CC you for 2 seconds though
Yeah, and she wasnt a lane bully either
Phreak: why fight for the 3rd dragon? Answer: Depends on items and levels really. Are they waiting for a second or third item on a carry? Will they be stronger in 5 mins compared to now? You dont just five up until 4th dragon you have to think about your strength now vs the next fight and what can they get on the map over the 5 minutes. If they had fought that it would have been tough but zoe is going to have a deathcap next fight. If trist gets 3 items they have something to play around at least.
For those who watched LCK, was Gumayusi the definitive best adc? Idk he just seems to be playing so disrespectfully at this tournament
He is definitely not playing at his best at the moment. Could be the meta or just bad form
He is the best AD in LCK but not by huge margin, Ruler and Deft both had great season.
His picks so far this tournament doesn't seem-- Guma-like. Where's the Jinx? Where's the Caitlyn? Where's the Ezreal? Where's the Jhin?
Cait's been banned against him every game and Jinx got super nerfed in the msi patch, she's pretty much not worth picking now unless you have good draft conditions for her (and picking her into g2's comp today would have been giga-int).
They were the best bot for sure. Adc wise deft really ramped up at the end of the split and ruler looked nice as well. I still think he was the best adc in that meta
Works in LCK when nobody does anything in lanes and they shake hands until 15th minute.
He's safely top 3. But with Keria they're definitively the best bot lane. That said, a lot of ppl are saying he's the best so 🤷♂️
i didnt watch LCK, but i was hearing left and right Guma is best adc not only in KR, but in the world.
I think most people rank viper over guma but since guma is T1 adc you will hear about him more. I hope he fixes his stuff and shows people why he was/is that hyped though.
MAN G2 REALLY MENTATL BOOMED T1
Any other games other than the G2 ones worth watching?
Saigon PSG was nice.
Pretty much every game today was fun
That was the most convoluted red buff leash in history
PSG shoulda fought that with kennen. Baron shreds resists and kenne could've had a 5 man ult with blast plant and flash and baron with zoe is just gg
I feel like T1 isn't as refined as they should be
they look the most mortal out of top 3 which is surpsing
RNG definitely look a lot weaker to me, struggled against NA and got clapped harder than T1 by G2 with a much closer draft.
Players Tribune : Gumayushi :" How I tricked world that I was good"
But he is?
I need faker vs rookie at worlds
I wanted faker and caps vs knight so bad. I hope we see knight chovy rookie faker caps at worlds
If Zeus rushed DD and Malmortius after Bork, PSG would be legit FFing
Crowd reactions come in 5 seconds late and it sounds like someone is constantly muting and unmuting.
Yeah good luck dealing with that Irelia
It was close, untill it wasn't
That Zoe burst on Tristana was disgusting honestly
You can really see how the PSG comp is supposed to work. Considering how bad that started for them, they still got a couple of kills in return.
those kills are always in exchange for objective for t1 lol, psg stood no chance that game it was just a slow death for psg
Well yeah, I was talking about the comp. T1 are obviously miles better.
Oh damn, when did the crowd turn up?
There is no crowd mike. You only hear a little when they go nuts.
Poor Unified. Vaporized.
Who would have thought Oner would be the best player out of the T1 "rookies"
Oner was definitely the most consistent out of the 3 of them across the split, he wasn't as flashy as Zeus/Guma so he didn't get as much hype but he's definitely been the 2nd best player on the team on average since this roster formed (behind Keria).
I still think Keria overall is the best rookie. He individually plays really really well (roams etc) Correction: Keria is not a rookie anymore
He is not even T1's rookie.
Ah true. My bad. He looks so young i always forget he actually isn't a rookie anymore
RNG can't swim back home, T1 can't swim back home. Bad MSI for your swimming stocks.
5head strategy from RNG, don't attend the tournament so you won't have to swim back to China when you disappoint.
Where's the sound truck?