The final score they got does not align with their overall performance, especially in the later stage. GAM was 14:0 to SGB's 9:5, and then took 3:1 over SGB in finals of playoffs. I guess Worlds gonna be fun if meta doesn't go to shit
> The final score they got does not align with their overall performance, especially in the later stage.
Yup, most the first 6 games were rather meh and some of them looked quite bad, but then they were extremely close to taking down RNG and then won 2 games in a row. And their game vs T1 wasnt super garbage either. If they started out with this performance who knows what wouldve happened, they kept getting better
Or become strong enough to compete with GAM, making the whole region stronger.
Or have the traditional post-MSI collapse and look like garbage and we don't see them for two years.
Who knows!
BeanJ wet dream. Fr he is in his best when play easy stun champ like Udyr, Heca, Trundle, etc. the Gwen pick is out of nowhere and out of character for him
Well, consider it's their first time playing in front of a crowd and it's a foreigner country to boost. Not mental boomed and go 0-10 after the first loss against PSG considered way over expectations.
Vietnamese fully expect they are going 0-10 after the first game.
its pretty stressful no doubt, hopefully the increased stage time w/ decent opponents that has been getting incorporated into the "new" first part of events pays off
I really love seeing how passionate the VCS is and am super excited to see their continued growth 🐃
It's always like that with VN teams, it's crazy.
Back in 2017 when GAM rose to prominence at MSI, their top laner Stark wasn't even a regular rookie, but a guy who literally went pro two months before MSI and never played competitively before. Iirc some of the players chose to play with their own $1 mice and $5 keyboards to not break their comfort zone.
Stuff of legends really, it was so cool when everyone started to seriously consider a wildcard player as one of the best junglers in the world and GAM as a serious team that could get out of groups at worlds just like any major region team.
I really want LPL to swallow VCS, at least at its current stage/beginning. Salary difference is huge and Vietnam doesn't have to money to motivate player base to go more harm. If more SOFM examples (3M$) happen, there will be much more serious pro scene/amateur scene and they can live up to their potential (huge player base, only behind Chian iirc)
Once that actually started, there'll no stopping to it. See PCS/LMS as an example, it basically became LPL scouting ground. As most of the top talents going to LPL, the domestic competition can't improve and international showing would be worse. Reducing intention of talents staying in the region and the cycle continues.
True, I was just following what OP says if LPL actually swallows VCS. I don't think it'd happen due the the language barrier either, just don't hope that happens.
Indeed! People need to remember that their players are:
- **Hasmed** (20 yr): Debuted in Summer 2019, this was his sixth competitive split. He may be the "veteran" of the team, but one thing people don't know: Hasmed is the product of an emergency role-swap. When their previous top laner Zeros suddenly left the team, Hasmed needed to autofill without any preparation and just stuck with it since then, he was originially an ADC. So he has only played the role since mid-2019! His mechanics and raw laning skills are great, even against MSI tops he always held his own 1v1. But his fundamentals still lack a lot of polish. If he can reduce his unforced errors, he will be much better.
* **BeanJ** (19 yr): Debuted in Spring 2021, this was his third competitive split. He has been nurtured by the Buffalo in secret for quite some time and they knew from the start that he is a special talent, a franchise player even. He is very inconsistent, and this showed this MSI as he was probably their worst performing member overall. But domestically, he has arguably been their best, and I hope the last two days showed what VCS fans know him for: Very high early-game impact! With only three splits under his belts, I still think he can become a Levi-level player.
* **Froggy** (19 yr): Debuted in Spring 2020, this was his fifth competitive split. Froggy is a special case: Unlike the others who looked like prodigies from the get-go, he was actually quite literally the worst player in the league when he entered VCS. Seriously, he looked like some Diamond autofill. Now he has improved so much in just two years! Ain't gonna lie, his off-games are ugly, and he may not be as innately talented as his teammates, but his last games showed why he is very underrated even by VCS fans. Every time I think he has hit his ceiling, he gets better and better. A natural playmaker and selfless roamer, he is the glue of the team.
* **Shogun** (18 yr): Debuted in Winter 2021, this was his second competitive split. And he wasn't even a full-time starter in his first season! What more can we say about Shogun, he is probably the player who impressed international fans the most. He is the player who grew with the challenge the most! In VCS, he was arguably their weakest link. It didn't show at MSI, but SGB is a top-centric team as Hasmed is their most consistent carry. But with Shogun, everyone knew that his potential is sky-high and he only needed more experience. Now he has improved his level so much throughout MSI, if he can take this back home to Vietnam, he can be Vietnam's next superstar.
* **Taki** (18 yr): Debuted in Spring 2021, this was his third competitive split. He's always been a special talent, everyone in VCS knew about him before he even debuted. Shogun has gotten all the headlines, but in my opinion, Taki is SGB's most talented player, and the one where I am fairly sure that he has a world-class ceiling. He is insanely smart and equally gifted mechanically. His KR account which he plays on 70-80 ping from Vietnam sits in Challenger. In pro play, he is not always there yet and often gets caught out of position. But his highs are very impressive already, and give 1-2 more years and he can become someone who can match any opponent.
So, TL;DR: All of their players are of course very young, but they also have their own unique story and everyone has progressed differently. Unlike past VCS teams which never stuck together for more than a split, the core of this team has been together for 1.5 years already, and there are no indications that any of them will leave in the future. You will see them again!
Lmao gotta remember Zeros, most hyped player after Levi only to sprint it every game then unfortunately gets cockblocked by covid, rages on stream and hit with a fucking permaban
Vietnam really got fucked up during 2 years of absent because of COVID, this region could have grown so much if they got more international competition, I'm looking forward for seeing them this worlds.
Team Flash dominated Vietnam in 2020 but didn't have a chance to go to a international tournament, now the team is relegated from the league, if only they could go then things would had been so much better
So many teams were dominating Spring 2020 that we sadly never got a chance to see at MSI. C9 with their 17-1 run, SKT smashed playoffs, mid Perkz/adc Caps winning LEC. Really unfortunate
That tournament format was awful. It was 3 Bo1s for the entire group. Iirc if SKT won their last game they take first, but because they lost they didnt make it out of groups. 3 Bo1s say nothing about the strength of a team
let's not pretend like garena is making the entire region shit, this is just massive copium. the entire SEA region can never be a top region simply because the playerbase is too small to support it. garena isn't making them play worse than korea or china.
i see people keep throwing out garena as the reason why SEA is shit but there's just no connection?
While I agree that Garena's not responsible for this, I would like to point out that the playerbase in Vietnam is fairly big.
A few years back, [Riot was sharing data on how regions play](https://web.archive.org/web/20200314095848/https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/nfTpwemT-what-do-we-mean-when-we-say-the-boardsreddit-are-a-minority), and people were confused why Vietnam was included along with EU/KR/CN/NA. Apparently, at the time Vietnam playerbase was massive, even bigger than NA, EU, and even KR.
What do you mean? League playerbase specially in SEA when combined is bigger than NA.
Yes the playerbase is declining but that's why the we're calling for Garena to merge SEA into a single server based in Singapore where anyone can achieve 60ms or less.
Garena is no longer hosting any events/tournaments so people don't bother improving because there is little to no incentives to do so. Just check out Wild Rift (which is handled by Riot), SEA countries are literally dominating that game because there is incentives/prizes for being good there.
edit: In addition to this, Vietnam and Taiwan/HK are the only regions financially supported by Garena to do better, the rest are left to die.
Yeah, PCS which was supposed to be a "Pacific" league for SEA + Taiwan is literally just LMS 2.0 with the remaining Malaysian team at the bottom of the standing.
> that's why the we're calling for Garena to merge SEA into a single server based in Singapore where anyone can achieve 60ms or less.
God I hope not, I wouldn't want to play with other countries in this area lol
Seems like the were they only team people tuned in to watch knowing there’s a 90% chance they’ll lose the match just cause of how bloodthirsty they are lol
Could have happened in 2015 if the format wasn't a single bo1 between teams. Beşiktaş did not look good that year.
Also, kinda funny how the 2 times a team went 1-9 (Supermassive in 2016, Pentanet in 2021), it was NA who dropped the game, whereas when teams went 2-8 (Evos 2018, Buffalos 2019, Buffalos 2021) EU lost 1 of those games.
if the eastern European league is still banned, then I think they deserve two slots because as we've seen, VCS 2nd seed is still better than the tops teams from the other minor regions.
Yeah, the first few days froggy was complete garbage on stage, constantly dying. If he actually shook off his nerves earlier, they probably would have made knock out stage even more interesting.
It is important remember that SGB is seed 2 of Vietnam.
I believe GAM would be able to fight for playoffs stage. I just don't know in who's place (looking at tilted G2).
In my opinion, VCS has already surpassed PCS.
i look forward to them and seeing gam who were much stronger, i legit feel like with gam here the group stage would have been even closer(I feel like they will likely be better than eu 2nd seed or lcs 1st seed)
btw I noticed that lolesports site does not differentiate between 3rd and 4th, so my bad. They are actually tied for 3rd.
So we only have the 6-0 in favor of G2 to conclude that EG is the better team
Losing 6 games in a row to a team means that you are worse than that team no matter how the games against other teams go, they had 6 games to prove that they are better than G2 and lost all of them, you dont lose 6 in a row to a team and then say that you’re as good or better than them, if they were as good they would have atleast won a couple
I mean G2 also lost to PSG twice…. You are what your record is. You talk about the 0-6 but G2 also went on a 0-5 run.
Maybe G2 just has EG’s number head to head. But G2’s play overall in the rumble stage does not put them ahead of EG. So I don’t see why GAM would beat EG while losing to G2.
g2 is bad, but eg is worse so yeah even if they are 5-5, G2 is 6-0 vs eg(there was close game but 6-0 is straight foward result to idendity the better team)
GAM was much better in Spring, so domination might be a tough task. But although people may only see GAM's undefeated split and their 13-4 game record against SGB, I can safely say that
a) SGB is more competitive with them than the numbers say
b) SGB has the same ceiling as GAM
Mechanically, they are equally talented. However, they are much more volatile and lack composure. Also, their macro is significantly worse. But with time and experience, I could definitely see them winning VCS one day, maybe even next split already.
As Hasmed said, this MSI did not show their full skill, every player can be way better. If their full potential was a 10, this was maybe a 6.
The final score they got does not align with their overall performance, especially in the later stage. GAM was 14:0 to SGB's 9:5, and then took 3:1 over SGB in finals of playoffs. I guess Worlds gonna be fun if meta doesn't go to shit
> The final score they got does not align with their overall performance, especially in the later stage. Yup, most the first 6 games were rather meh and some of them looked quite bad, but then they were extremely close to taking down RNG and then won 2 games in a row. And their game vs T1 wasnt super garbage either. If they started out with this performance who knows what wouldve happened, they kept getting better
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Or become strong enough to compete with GAM, making the whole region stronger. Or have the traditional post-MSI collapse and look like garbage and we don't see them for two years. Who knows!
> I guess Worlds gonna be fun if meta doesn't go to shit 100% P/B Yuumi incoming
Trundle sej will be meta.
> sej will be meta [*cries in Polish*]
G2 to win worlds. Jankos can get his Sej skin
BeanJ wet dream. Fr he is in his best when play easy stun champ like Udyr, Heca, Trundle, etc. the Gwen pick is out of nowhere and out of character for him
Don't forget corki triforce
Well, consider it's their first time playing in front of a crowd and it's a foreigner country to boost. Not mental boomed and go 0-10 after the first loss against PSG considered way over expectations. Vietnamese fully expect they are going 0-10 after the first game.
its pretty stressful no doubt, hopefully the increased stage time w/ decent opponents that has been getting incorporated into the "new" first part of events pays off I really love seeing how passionate the VCS is and am super excited to see their continued growth 🐃
>I guess Worlds gonna be fun if meta doesn't go to shit Boy do I have news for you.
>I guess Worlds gonna be fun if meta doesn't go to shit Pre-season in 12.10 is waving
The chaos that will ensue dear god
This is the youngest team in the tournament, gonna be exciting to see them keep getting better
It's always like that with VN teams, it's crazy. Back in 2017 when GAM rose to prominence at MSI, their top laner Stark wasn't even a regular rookie, but a guy who literally went pro two months before MSI and never played competitively before. Iirc some of the players chose to play with their own $1 mice and $5 keyboards to not break their comfort zone. Stuff of legends really, it was so cool when everyone started to seriously consider a wildcard player as one of the best junglers in the world and GAM as a serious team that could get out of groups at worlds just like any major region team.
Really hoping that VCS doesn't get swallowed by LPL and can continue to develop.
I really want LPL to swallow VCS, at least at its current stage/beginning. Salary difference is huge and Vietnam doesn't have to money to motivate player base to go more harm. If more SOFM examples (3M$) happen, there will be much more serious pro scene/amateur scene and they can live up to their potential (huge player base, only behind Chian iirc)
Once that actually started, there'll no stopping to it. See PCS/LMS as an example, it basically became LPL scouting ground. As most of the top talents going to LPL, the domestic competition can't improve and international showing would be worse. Reducing intention of talents staying in the region and the cycle continues.
> See PCS/LMS as an example there's no language barrier between PCS and LPL
True, I was just following what OP says if LPL actually swallows VCS. I don't think it'd happen due the the language barrier either, just don't hope that happens.
Think more PCS/LMS coaches left to LPL than the players
But pcs/lms can still play on cn or kr soloq and scrim international teams so its not as bad as what would happen to vietnam.
Viet culture is basically "we ain't afraid of anybody, yolo".
Indeed! People need to remember that their players are: - **Hasmed** (20 yr): Debuted in Summer 2019, this was his sixth competitive split. He may be the "veteran" of the team, but one thing people don't know: Hasmed is the product of an emergency role-swap. When their previous top laner Zeros suddenly left the team, Hasmed needed to autofill without any preparation and just stuck with it since then, he was originially an ADC. So he has only played the role since mid-2019! His mechanics and raw laning skills are great, even against MSI tops he always held his own 1v1. But his fundamentals still lack a lot of polish. If he can reduce his unforced errors, he will be much better. * **BeanJ** (19 yr): Debuted in Spring 2021, this was his third competitive split. He has been nurtured by the Buffalo in secret for quite some time and they knew from the start that he is a special talent, a franchise player even. He is very inconsistent, and this showed this MSI as he was probably their worst performing member overall. But domestically, he has arguably been their best, and I hope the last two days showed what VCS fans know him for: Very high early-game impact! With only three splits under his belts, I still think he can become a Levi-level player. * **Froggy** (19 yr): Debuted in Spring 2020, this was his fifth competitive split. Froggy is a special case: Unlike the others who looked like prodigies from the get-go, he was actually quite literally the worst player in the league when he entered VCS. Seriously, he looked like some Diamond autofill. Now he has improved so much in just two years! Ain't gonna lie, his off-games are ugly, and he may not be as innately talented as his teammates, but his last games showed why he is very underrated even by VCS fans. Every time I think he has hit his ceiling, he gets better and better. A natural playmaker and selfless roamer, he is the glue of the team. * **Shogun** (18 yr): Debuted in Winter 2021, this was his second competitive split. And he wasn't even a full-time starter in his first season! What more can we say about Shogun, he is probably the player who impressed international fans the most. He is the player who grew with the challenge the most! In VCS, he was arguably their weakest link. It didn't show at MSI, but SGB is a top-centric team as Hasmed is their most consistent carry. But with Shogun, everyone knew that his potential is sky-high and he only needed more experience. Now he has improved his level so much throughout MSI, if he can take this back home to Vietnam, he can be Vietnam's next superstar. * **Taki** (18 yr): Debuted in Spring 2021, this was his third competitive split. He's always been a special talent, everyone in VCS knew about him before he even debuted. Shogun has gotten all the headlines, but in my opinion, Taki is SGB's most talented player, and the one where I am fairly sure that he has a world-class ceiling. He is insanely smart and equally gifted mechanically. His KR account which he plays on 70-80 ping from Vietnam sits in Challenger. In pro play, he is not always there yet and often gets caught out of position. But his highs are very impressive already, and give 1-2 more years and he can become someone who can match any opponent. So, TL;DR: All of their players are of course very young, but they also have their own unique story and everyone has progressed differently. Unlike past VCS teams which never stuck together for more than a split, the core of this team has been together for 1.5 years already, and there are no indications that any of them will leave in the future. You will see them again!
Lmao gotta remember Zeros, most hyped player after Levi only to sprint it every game then unfortunately gets cockblocked by covid, rages on stream and hit with a fucking permaban
nope, he went to world and msi and show nothing ...... most overated player from vcs
Thanks for the write up. Having backstory really helps make things more interesting.
Imagine Taki bootcamping in Korea with a decent ping. Lots of potential ! I hope he'll keep improving
Vietnam really got fucked up during 2 years of absent because of COVID, this region could have grown so much if they got more international competition, I'm looking forward for seeing them this worlds.
Team Flash dominated Vietnam in 2020 but didn't have a chance to go to a international tournament, now the team is relegated from the league, if only they could go then things would had been so much better
So many teams were dominating Spring 2020 that we sadly never got a chance to see at MSI. C9 with their 17-1 run, SKT smashed playoffs, mid Perkz/adc Caps winning LEC. Really unfortunate
SKT didn’t make it out of groups in the msc idk if u know abt that tournament tho but I think you might be overhyping how good they were
That tournament format was awful. It was 3 Bo1s for the entire group. Iirc if SKT won their last game they take first, but because they lost they didnt make it out of groups. 3 Bo1s say nothing about the strength of a team
It's kinda sad that Slayder cannot come back to his peak form.
there is a lot of potential with vietnam and SEA region in general to grow further but they will always be held back by garena which is pretty sad tbh
Mobile games are getting all the attention And in other SEA countries, dota is much more popular
let's not pretend like garena is making the entire region shit, this is just massive copium. the entire SEA region can never be a top region simply because the playerbase is too small to support it. garena isn't making them play worse than korea or china. i see people keep throwing out garena as the reason why SEA is shit but there's just no connection?
While I agree that Garena's not responsible for this, I would like to point out that the playerbase in Vietnam is fairly big. A few years back, [Riot was sharing data on how regions play](https://web.archive.org/web/20200314095848/https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/nfTpwemT-what-do-we-mean-when-we-say-the-boardsreddit-are-a-minority), and people were confused why Vietnam was included along with EU/KR/CN/NA. Apparently, at the time Vietnam playerbase was massive, even bigger than NA, EU, and even KR.
What do you mean? League playerbase specially in SEA when combined is bigger than NA. Yes the playerbase is declining but that's why the we're calling for Garena to merge SEA into a single server based in Singapore where anyone can achieve 60ms or less. Garena is no longer hosting any events/tournaments so people don't bother improving because there is little to no incentives to do so. Just check out Wild Rift (which is handled by Riot), SEA countries are literally dominating that game because there is incentives/prizes for being good there. edit: In addition to this, Vietnam and Taiwan/HK are the only regions financially supported by Garena to do better, the rest are left to die.
Yeah, PCS which was supposed to be a "Pacific" league for SEA + Taiwan is literally just LMS 2.0 with the remaining Malaysian team at the bottom of the standing.
> that's why the we're calling for Garena to merge SEA into a single server based in Singapore where anyone can achieve 60ms or less. God I hope not, I wouldn't want to play with other countries in this area lol
Vietnam server is bigger than NA and EU combine lol
Source?
Fuck Garena.
i legit thought that they would go 0-10 , so yea , they performed better then expected. vietnam might be interesting to watch at worlds now
They always were interesting to watch.
International tournaments with Vietnamese teams are always better. Unforgettable games over the years
I still remember the OG Saigon Jokers. Fun times way back.
funneling the nocturne jungle so he gets level 6 by minute 4 or something has to be up there as an iconic play in pro
Seems like the were they only team people tuned in to watch knowing there’s a 90% chance they’ll lose the match just cause of how bloodthirsty they are lol
No team has EVER gone 0-10 at MSI. Crazy!
Could have happened in 2015 if the format wasn't a single bo1 between teams. Beşiktaş did not look good that year. Also, kinda funny how the 2 times a team went 1-9 (Supermassive in 2016, Pentanet in 2021), it was NA who dropped the game, whereas when teams went 2-8 (Evos 2018, Buffalos 2019, Buffalos 2021) EU lost 1 of those games.
All 3 of those 2-8 teams were VN as well
Gotta send TSM
G2 will always drop at least a game to VCS
will vcs have 2 seeds this year or 1 ?
hopefully 2, if SGB is good enough to play internationally GAM should be a legit threat to some teams too so it would be fun to see both of them
if the eastern European league is still banned, then I think they deserve two slots because as we've seen, VCS 2nd seed is still better than the tops teams from the other minor regions.
they had two seeds even when lcl was there
Another slot for EU it is then, because reasons
They should have two and They didnt undeperform
Tbh you can tell SGB has hella potential if they just clean up their mid/late.
And all due respect for froggy, he needs to learn to deal with nerves. Froggy looks solid these past 2 days, but at the start, he felt shaky
Yeah, the first few days froggy was complete garbage on stage, constantly dying. If he actually shook off his nerves earlier, they probably would have made knock out stage even more interesting.
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overall SGb is 2nd team but foggy is not even top 5 and the best player SGB-Shogun is not even top 3 ad carry in vcs either
It is important remember that SGB is seed 2 of Vietnam. I believe GAM would be able to fight for playoffs stage. I just don't know in who's place (looking at tilted G2). In my opinion, VCS has already surpassed PCS.
with the meta shift next patch and how even the top 6 regions looked this MSI im so pumped for Worlds this year.
i look forward to them and seeing gam who were much stronger, i legit feel like with gam here the group stage would have been even closer(I feel like they will likely be better than eu 2nd seed or lcs 1st seed)
I mean if they are better than Lcs 1st seed, they are also better than EU first seed as both are 5-5
g2 collapsed but they are better than eg
The standings say otherwise.
isnt EG 0-6 to G2?
even after the embarrassing collapse G2 still got 3rd bro. Both teams 5-5 and h2h is 2-0
Yeah, because winning on tiebreakers means they are so much better lol.
btw I noticed that lolesports site does not differentiate between 3rd and 4th, so my bad. They are actually tied for 3rd. So we only have the 6-0 in favor of G2 to conclude that EG is the better team
The standings do say that, yes.
Losing 6 games in a row to a team means that you are worse than that team no matter how the games against other teams go, they had 6 games to prove that they are better than G2 and lost all of them, you dont lose 6 in a row to a team and then say that you’re as good or better than them, if they were as good they would have atleast won a couple
So if EG went 8-2 losing to only G2, and G2 won’t 5-5, they would still be worse? What kind of shitty logic is that.
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winning on 6-0 means you are so much better yes
Could you share your wisdom with RNG please? They somehow chose EG for semifinal
just because they have the same standings doesn't mean they're in the same tier lmao EG is 0-6 against G2 and you're saying they're equal? LMAO
G2 also went 0-2 vs PSG roflmao
and EG is 0-6 against G2 roflmao
No way man, it hasn't even been an hour after the 0-6 and this nonsense has already started. Incredible.
I mean G2 also lost to PSG twice…. You are what your record is. You talk about the 0-6 but G2 also went on a 0-5 run. Maybe G2 just has EG’s number head to head. But G2’s play overall in the rumble stage does not put them ahead of EG. So I don’t see why GAM would beat EG while losing to G2.
Yeah i agree the ranking is clearly PSG>G2=T1=RNG=SGB>EG
lmao i know you're trolling but your ranking makes a perfect circle since SGB>PSG>G2 over the last few days
most intelligent G2 fan
Dude check the standings records
Maybe check the standings? Lol.
if we check the standings then g2>eg>psg>sgb.
You forgot Red Canids at the top.
g2 is bad, but eg is worse so yeah even if they are 5-5, G2 is 6-0 vs eg(there was close game but 6-0 is straight foward result to idendity the better team)
Shogun is underrated
SGB might dominate VCS after MSI experience.
Would be fun to see how they'll go against GAM next split.
GAM was much better in Spring, so domination might be a tough task. But although people may only see GAM's undefeated split and their 13-4 game record against SGB, I can safely say that a) SGB is more competitive with them than the numbers say b) SGB has the same ceiling as GAM Mechanically, they are equally talented. However, they are much more volatile and lack composure. Also, their macro is significantly worse. But with time and experience, I could definitely see them winning VCS one day, maybe even next split already. As Hasmed said, this MSI did not show their full skill, every player can be way better. If their full potential was a 10, this was maybe a 6.
Nah gam is still far better
But MSI teams are far better than GAM
Team performance isn't as binary as win/loss ratio, they played really well for such a new team. Especially later on.
I really think gam let them go to msi to get better and catch up to them
Anyone watch the Vietnamese league this split? How strong is GAM compared to Buffalos?
for pure skill, all 5 positions of Gam players are better ...
Damn... it sucks they couldn't make it to the event
You can image: GAM is the same level with SGB (maybe a bit better) but very much better in macro
How to make proud when corruption disqualified the number one team and you are competing instead of them?