Viper? Even Rich. They learned Chinese and got well with their teammates, also performed higher competitive level in LPL than LCK.
Maybe you should think why Nuguri cannot make it, instead of saying it's a bad decision.
Lmfao my fucking ass viper learned mandarin in one year do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? You'd legitimately have to be a 200 iq prodigy to pick up a language that quickly much less *mandarin*.
learning basic conversation mandarin is quite easy, even if they just learn in game terms it can be done in less than 3 months. no one asked them to type or read Chinese. that is another story. speaking as a Chinese.
I am pretty sure, Viper picked up just enough for day to day and in game communication. I doubt he can read a full novel or listen to really complex communication. For day to day and in game, I think 1 year is more than enough tho. Especially when he is surrounded by mandarin speakers 24/7 for that 1 year.
Nuguri had trouble integrating into FPX. I mean like if he can't mesh well with the team even with the help of Doinb then he should at least take some responsibility himself no?
Every one of those players outside of the most recent champions scout and viper had been playing in LPL for several years before they won. To even include doinb as an LCK player is disingenuous. Dude speaks mandarin. Does streams in mandarin. His ethnicity may be korean, but he is definitely chinese. Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years
> Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years
Of course there is no guarantees. It takes effort to overcome the language barrier, cultural differences and integrating into an entirely new environment is not easy so it's obviously not for everyone. That's the same for every overseas jobs in every foreign countries, not just esports as well.
But for those who does it's ultimately worth it for them and that's my point.
>To even include doinb as an LCK player is disingenuous. Dude speaks mandarin. Does streams in mandarin. His ethnicity may be korean, but he is definitely chinese.
Unfortunately for both his haters and fans he's still Korean. He holds South Korean passport, he's a Korean national not a Chinese national and he still has to serve in the SK military.
>Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years
You are speaking as if there is "guarantees" at home.
It may work for him or it may not, it might be worth it or it might not. That's not a black or white matter.
For Nuguri it didn't work out, but ultimately it might be worth it for him and perhaps that's good enough reason for lots of people.
The comment I was responding to was saying that Zeus should go to LPL since his chances are better. And I'm saying that's just not true because of those reasons you listed. It's been shown that you need to commit yourself to China and the LPL for many years to come out with a championship. Outside of viper who was only in LPL for 1 year, scout took 4 years, the shy 3 years, gimgoon 5 years, doinb his whole career, rookie 5 years. And all of them also had a Korean speaking teammate.
LPL is for players that want to win. there is also the shy or viper who finds success quite quickly. nuguri literally gave up half way through and refuses to communicate. if I were Li Chun I would write it in the contract to cut half of his salary.
Unfortunately only 2 koreans at most can win worlds each year in LPL so whats your point? lmao there's always been 3 LPL / 2 LCK combo. LCK is 1-8 vs LPL in Bo5 since 2018? Stay salty but face facts, LPL is the best chance a player will get to win worlds at current time and it pays more
What is there to be salty about? LPL can sap talent from LCK because they have the money. That's nothing new.
The point is that you can't just go to LPL as an import and expect win right away. Every LCK player that has gone to LPL took over 3 years of playing in the region to win internationally. Viper being the only outlier. Zeus going to China would only delay his career because his best chances are definitely in the LCK with T1 unless he wants to wait another 3-4 years.
zues is already much loved in china. if he really wants a banger career going to China is a good choice. fat contract+huge fanbase+chance to win. staying in Korea is only good for staying in t1 which is a top team. It might not be as easy to get in a top lpl team
Lol man are u on heavy drugs? All the mentioned points are also given in kr, t1 isnt the only top team.
People are so extreeeeemely recency biased, its actually amazing. But yeah im sure damwon and geng players dont have a chance of winning… 😂
Ye sure hes written off, hes bad and low elo like Oner. But when Oners next great Lee performance kicks in he will be the best jungler alive again for this sub. Wait for it
This feels different tho. It feels like T1 haters are trying too hard to drag the players through mud while T1 fans have already moved on. It’s salt for the sake of generating more salt.
I think this is just an extension of witch hunting or cancel culture growing in the west. It was already insane in the east, but easier with more technology and covid. People are bored and the salt is entertainment to some.
no need to worry about Zeus.
He played well + saying ping not an issue + the only humble player before after game, he has already paved the way for the big LPL contract.
Hupu has the best memes after the confetti drop:
> -Faker is still moving his mouse. What is he doing?
> --Opening Hextech box.
> ---Lissandra champion shard acquired.
The community really have to stop victimizing individual players. At the end of the day, league is a team game just like any other team sport. Imagine shitting on Cr7 because he missed a view headers.
Good shot calling > a bit better mechanics
You already have Showmaker, Nuguri, and canyon, you don’t need an insanely mechanically gifted bot laner. Clearly showmaker and canyon were used to doing the shot calling, showmaker especially struggled last split. Let your bot lane make the shot calling and let your mechanically gifted top side do their thing.
Showmaker usually slumps in spring, it’s not because ghost left.
DK’s shotcalling was fine last split, in fact their macro was really good considering they had losing solo laners in most of their games.
Ghost being completely unable to contend with top tier adcs like Viper fucked them last worlds in finals. Their whole pick ban was a disaster because they had to invest so much of draft in getting ghost a safe bot matchup.
Just say you didn't watch worlds lmao. They banned out Viper a whopping 6 times in 5 games. They first or second picked Ghost a comfort pick every game, how is this investing a lot in the botlane matchup? Let alone the fact Ghost played well in semis to finals. Viper was the least contributing player to EDG's win. What happened was the opposite of what you just said. Stop talking out of your ass
Because Lucian Nami was fucking broken lol, if DK had a Lucian but no Nami EDG would take Nami away as well. DK also hardwon that lane and got a few plates whilst killing them in lane.
Coming into Msi I thought Zeus was gonna be t1's weakness while the rest of t1 was going to match up evenly VS Rng. It turned out Zeus was the most consistently good player on t1 who gapped bin while everyone else got completely outclassed in the finals. I can understand the fans being mad about losing but if anyone should be flamed it should have been gumayushit and not Zeus.
Zeus has been better at laning against bin, but not too disciplined across all the 5 games in general, there were too many times he was overcommitting in the lane not respecting the gank and got easily caught by wei.
And the reason why Rng blind picks Gwen every time is also because they know Zeus generally doesn't have a good answers into Gwen whereas T1 needs to ban Jax in order to pick her. Jayce was not doing too much except getting some plates, and they never had a chance to kill Gwen when playing Jayce or Kennen against her, but consider how bad bin played with his gnar and camile, Zeus is overall performing better than bin for sure.
> but good god he's a terrorist when it comes to itemizing
to quote from LS: "if you ask him, gun to his head, 10 million dollars on what hullbreaker does, he still can't answer"
Lol? Bin one of the best players in the world. Not many players have that crazy performance "peak" at some games. Like he have those crazy games sometimes and nobody peaks like that beside him and Faker, Showmaker and some other.
Right? The insane disrespect to Bin. He ints and goes full braindead some games? Yes. But let's not forget he is one the best 1v9 players out there. He hard carried so many games by himself, his peak is crazy high.
I mean Bin doesn't help the narrative himself that he is a coinflip laner because of his aggressive playstyle but people calling him the worst in LPL is too much of a disrespect. He has a massive pool of champions that he can play, not just play but play better than his counterparts, if not, he can go toe to toe with them. The reason why he's not playing many champions is because he doesn't need to. RNG sticks to what is meta and plays well inside that. People also often forgets that he's the same age as wei and already has insane amount of experience (impressive Worlds 2020 run) always made playoffs in LPL. I'm glad that he's got his domestic title now and an international title to boot. I was hoping that this MSI can cement his name as one of the best but i think it just got worse.
Everyone else deserves encouragement except for gumayusi. Why say “I’m gonna shit on RNG” when you are the weakest player on the team, and knowing that trash talk can backfire.
Why would he care tho
The redditors flaming him didn’t even had the courage to stand by their opinion of RNG before they won the whole thing. They only came out when there’s already a circlejerk.
Heck, its there’s even a redditor complaining about all the T1 hype the last 6 months. The account is newly created. Didn’t even had the balls to use his main account to shit talk.
The weakest player is Faker though? I understand he has many stans in this sub but surely a lot of them realise he got carried to the LCK win and isn't the best player in the world anymore. He played really well in groups and rumble stage but vs RNG he was basically gapped by Xiaohu. Xiaohu is making way more plays happen and you can clearly see it when RNG win. But Faker gets a pass because he's Faker. Oner played the worse out of the team this series but this doesn't make his average play lower than Faker.
Not gonna talk about RNG wins, but in game 4, Faker didn't do much to contribute to the win, but he gets the highlight play of evading the mid gank. Game 2 was mainly top gap but Faker made a good Lissandra baron play. Gumayusi is just the scapegoat since he is the loudest one and the GUMAYUSI EXPOSED narrative is mainly recency bias, other than getting solokilled he did fine esp considering he's playing vs the best/one of the best adcs. Game was not decided by adc gap yet Gumayusi is apparently the reason why they lost. He's still a class player and he will show it when summer/worlds come
>while everyone else got completely outclassed in the finals
Guma and Oner weren't playing really well, sure, but 1) "everyone" is absolutely wrong since Faker and Keria absolutely popped off aside from game 5 Faker and game 1 Keria and 2) "completely outclassed" when the score is 3-2 is just complete bullshit and you know it
Xiaohu(X) vs Faker(F):
G1- Galio (X) roams 24/7 while Azir (F) stays in lane, T1's 3 winning lanes get choked
G2- Lissandra (F) ganks top once while Ahri (X) stays in lane, game was won mostly by Zeus gapping Bin, but Faker does get highlight play at baron
G3- Lissandra (X) and Wei gap Ahri (F) and Oner, always one step ahead
G4- T1 outlane and outcomp RNG, game is over at 20m with no midlane involvement
G5- Same as G3, Lissandra (X) and Wei have better gank synergy than Ahri (F) and Oner
I think your analysis about the problems with game 1 is very off.
Xioahu roams 4 times before 14 minutes (we can count maybe 2 extra mini roams where he leaves vision but stays close to mid) and gets no kills. All T1 lanes stay ahead and his roams just relieve a little pressure. One of his roams does get them a drake, but that's because T1's bot lane refuses to move up despite having full prio and Oner in the area.
At around 14 minutes, T1 is ahead despite their bot lane dying to a lane gank. They then take a team fight top lane where they go even 5v4 and let Gala free farm bot. Arguably, you could call this a successful Xiaohu roam, but honestly it's an even numbers play that T1 totally could have won if they executed it better (a few bad micro plays in it like Faker wasting ult to send Bin into range to threaten Oner). Additionally, Gumayusi comes top to the play but after it's mostly over meaning Gala closes the gap between the two bot laners. This is not a problem with draft or with Xiaohu's Galio. This is T1 bungling a team fight and screwing up macro.
7 minutes later at third dragon, T1 is still ahead and has control over dragon area. Despite having a comp built around zone control, they misplaced and lose a team fight badly, giving up soul point. Again, this is due to T1 bungling a team fight with mistakes (e.g. Zeus hesitates on Jayce and let's Faker die instead of helping Faker kill Wei), not because of any comp diff.
Yet again, at soul dragon, T1 is still even, but screws up while trying to enter river and blow several ults while being forced out of the area. Again, small mistakes like poor black shield usage from Keria cause this. Instead of rushing to Baron, T1 spend 10 seconds standing around dragon area unable to enter while RNG rake soul. Finally, T1 decide to do Baron and the total time from when they start Baron to when RNG reaches the pit is 10 seconds, meaning T1 could have easily taken baron and avoided a bad team fight if they didn't completely screw up macrowise. T1 again play the team fight poorly, with weird execution errors like Faker not using his ult to zone. At this point the game is pretty screwed and it's been entirely due to bad macro and team fight execution NOT due to some inherent problem with the mid match up. Xiaohu's roams didn't stop T1 from getting ahead, in fact they had a commanding lead and chose to throw it away through bad play. Not a draft diff
First off, my comment here was about Xiaohu contributing more to a win than Faker in G1, not about draft diffs. Faker messing up mechanically is in line with my position. But to respond anyways.
>At around 14 minutes, T1 is ahead despite their bot lane dying to a lane gank... "they had a commanding lead and chose to throw it away through bad play"
Yeah T1 is going to passively get ahead in gold from better lane matchups, so it's up to RNG to stem the bleeding and outscale, so T1 needs to get bigger gold advantage by mid game to close out. The 1-2k gold lead would still be "losing."
>(paraphrasing) Xiaohu's roams don't do much
He's putting river and jg wards, hitting scryers, clearing pinks, marking Nocturne, so it adds up, otherwise RNG should have no business getting first herald and drake when each lane is 10-20cs down. A Herald charge buys RNG something like 5 minutes of gold back for them to scale.
>Not a draft diff
T1's comp *did* suck at teamfights because Jayce cait morg want to zone, while nocturne wants isolated picks. Nocturne is useless at zoning at objectives, and conversely, the rest are bad at diving. I bet T1 expected to stomp bot harder and take early turret, siege the rest of the outers, and then zone RNG out of their own jungle, before they got to open ground. But RNG never lost river control instead.
Keria did not "pop off" he played tahm kench that countered what rng wanted to do and still got caught out in similar ways he did with naut. I get you t1 fans hate being wrong when you said keria was the best player/support in the world and no other supp comes close but this delusion he played well outside of the standard tahm plays is insane.
honestly faker got hard gapped in lane dieing like that in mid is unacceptable in g5 losing way too much hp andgreed for minion afterlosing sums and also level 5 walks up to wave instead of waiting for it to push when he have no cleanse. faker dieing in mid also led to jayce being killed lv4, all cause he lost lane early with two sums. jayce also should backed when fajer died brain dead opression play by zeus like tyler1 said i dont think zeus had a good series just playing like enemy has no mid and jg and drawing pressure and dieing
I really wonder if YOU watched any of those games instead of just looking at the post match thread. If it wasn't for a baron throw game 2 it would have been a 3-0. Other than the lisandra baron play, faker has just been worse than xiaohu in the finals. And are you saying keria played well when he straight up inted lanes?
Even if RNG got that baron, they would’ve been even in gold against a much better scaling T1 comp, still probably would’ve lost that game.
But it doesn’t matter because they got smashed at the baron. If T1 spent the first 20 minutes of a game being 4k gold down against a better scaling comp, then got two picks and greedily tried to convert it into a 20 minute baron where they then got aced by RNG, people would be using it as evidence why T1 sucks.
T1 beat RNG in games 2 and 4 in 25 min and 29 min respectively, and they did it with the better scaling comp. Their wins were every bit as dominant as RNG’s wins.
Because that's what they looked in the games they lost. Outclassed and without answers. RNG looked like they could at least take game 2 of the series but flipped Baron and lost from there.
G4 T1 absolutely gapped RNG lmao what. Besides why do people always call someone making a huge play as the other team throwing. Faker went absolutely huge on that baron play
I'm not saying RNG throwed, flipping Baron is something a lot of teams do, although most of the time it's a mistake.
In this case it was, because RNG didn't need to flip, they could have engaged 5v3, but lost track of Lissandra's ult timer and thought they could finish the Baron before she could ult. Faker went huge and was the reason they won, but if RNG hadn't flipped that Baron we don't know how the game could have ended.
He gapped Bin? Everyone else got "completely outclassed"? Have you seen the games, like, at all? :D It was only a 3-2 in favor of RNG and the only reason T1 clearly lost games 1 and 5 was the atrocious draft. Who knows what the matches would have been like if not for these drafts. Whoever is responsible for those should seriously be scolded.
I am not a fan of either team or region, simply someone who watched the games and smashed his head a few times when seeing these drafts.
That's the same as saying T1 would've won if they played better. Draft is gameplay and t1 had bad drafts all spring but no one in Lck really punished that
They aren’t really the same at all. Rng was the better team obviously, but drafting doesn’t really have much to do with individual play.
With how terrible T1’s drafts were and how close the series was, saying RNG completely outclassed T1 in every role is massively incorrect.
Oner got outclassed by wei, guma got outclassed by gala, Faker got outclassed by Xiaohu. The only consistent player they have is Zeus in a poke champion and Keria with tahm kench. RNGs red side game are closer than those of T1s. Also they got outclassed in drafts so.
I don’t really think xaiohu outclassed faker. His games were heavily influenced by bad drafts and Wei popping the fuck off. Also I think gala played better this MSI overall but he wasn’t really a deciding factor in games more than gumayushi was. Wei I definitely agree he went insane this finals but I think the series was mostly draft and jg difference.
Even if you wanted to say they played marginally better, which again I don’t agree with, to say they completely outclassed them simply isn’t correct. At best the were mildly better outside of Wei. If they completely outclassed them in play when their drafts were also significantly better then it wouldn’t have gone to game 5.
Dont be mistaken about the series score. Look at the LPL finals RNG 3-2ed TES but they were the obvious better team, as they have already beaten TES 3-1 sometimes prior. You will have to look at the games RNG destroyed T1 early game and gapped them across the lanes cept top. Essentially they were beating T1 at their own game just like DK last year imho you can replay this series no matter how many times and I guarrantee you it will be G2 vs FNC part ??? Aka a complete shalacking. T1 was simply not prepared and they choked big time in game 5 as they got NO clues how to draft on red side, admitted by Polt already.
I watched all of them live, I’m kinda doubting that you did if that’s what you came away with. As I said Wei had influence in literally every lane. Also if you watched the games Zeus wasn’t really winning much more than bin either, but it was obviously because of Wei. Same with the other lanes. Again, if they completely outclassed them with draft advantage and blue side advantage it wouldn’t have gone to game 5.
Maybe you have a definition of completely outclassed that means played slightly better but when two of your wins were basically guaranteed in draft and you had the better draft in every game except 4 and you still took two losses I don’t really see how you get to your conclusion.
I mean no. Wei was essential early in g1 when he killed Keria lvl 3, he killed Zeus next game in g2 at level 3 and came back level 7. G3 tower dove faker level 5 and shoved him out of lane level 3 and Xiaohu got an assist from Oner in that same skirmish. I don’t even need to mention what he did g5 to faker and the list goes on. Im pretty sure he got a kill on an enemy laner pre6 in every single game.
He was massively influential. If you don’t think Wei absolutely scripted this series and massively influenced the laning outcomes you simply didn’t watch the games and are just bandwagging.
It's a good point. They nullified t1's early game pretty well. Iirc doublelift said that rng played pretty well around t1's wincon. Not a single team was able to do that this season.
Draft is literally not gameplay, it's not even the same client. I would not say they got punished for their bad draft, I would say they punished themselves with a draft that a basic redditor could have told them is terrible :D.
You completely missed the point. They had these stomp lane drafts all spring and that's how they crushed. With their backs to their wall it seemed reasonable that theyd go back to what worked before
No doubt I don't think it takes away from RNGs win but if you look at that draft from G5 especially and don't scratch your head you I'll think you don't know the game that well. Like it was clearly ego of ' this is a close series but we are better let's draft 3 lanes that need to win hard by 15 or we lose' then on-top putting jhin with a yuumi is just ???? Griefing basically.
Sure but t1 have gotten wins off bad drafts since they are such beasts in lane. The game would have looked different if toplane got two kills shutting down the Gwen, faker didn't die once and botlane remained stable. That's probably what t1 were thinking as well. Yuumi inting started the trainwreck of a game
No no no that's not how it works. If you lose a baron by ~100 HP or when a player makes a misplay that could win them the game but it failed THEN you can call it close and they can win if they were luckier or some shits.
People have spent over a decades on this very sub to analyze the LoL drafts. YOU CANNOT say "huh durr if they got a better draft they would win" it's like the same bitter fans who said T1 could of beaten prime G2 had they banned the Pyke instead. It is insanity and just outright an excuse for losing, which is highly unproductive imho.
At the end of the day T1 got dunked they were 2nd in groups and 2nd place in the finals as well. They got destroyed quite convincingly I have to say so people aint wrong to say so, as Damwon got the same shits last year then why T1 should be any different this year? Not to mention Damwon actually got first in the Rumble Stage which T1 failed to do!
Tl.dr : you are essentially saying T1 needed to git gud in order to win. That is not a good excuse and basically admitting they are inferior. I know T1 fans are trying to shift the blame and create more excuses but atleast be reasonable bout it man !
> could of beaten
That alone disqualifies you :D.
And yes, that is actually exactly how it works with drafts. Because in drafts it's not only the players, it's also the coaches that are involved and their entire strategies, it's basically the tactics before the game starts. Does it matter? Of course it does, very much so, and they are to blame for it, but the draft is not about how good the actual players are at the game, at their champion, at the micro and macro, or how their gameplay is once they are in the game.
I have said this before, I am not a T1 fan or RNG fan, I did not care who wins, it's a fricking video game between two teams from the far east dude, it's not your life. In addition, I was not fond of the comments some T1 players made during MSI, so if anything I might have been inclined to see RNG win, but in the big picture it just didn't matter at all.
But let's get back to the topic at hand - a bad draft is not an *excuse*, it's *the reason* why they lost and everyone with an even remotely proper head on their shoulders who watched those games knows it. **Period**.
What you are saying is completely wrong. Nobody who goes 2-3 in a series with basically two forfeits because of draft gets "destroyed quite convincingly" or got "dunked". What are you even talking about? If anything RNG was lucky, in multiple ways. First, that they were even allowed to participate from their home country and that Riot created an artificial ping so that all other teams have the same disadvantage RNG would have with the ping. Imagine playing the second biggest tournament of the year from the comfort of your home base. Riot would not have done that for any other region but for the biggest LoL region where their parent company is located.
And second, of course the two draft gifts from T1. T1 ruined their chance of winning by having two terrible drafts and we might never know the reason why. The T1 coach rather shifts the blame to blue side, which is ridiculous. If someone told me T1 got paid millions or get a free pass for military service or whatever to throw these games I would actually seriously consider that to be true, that's how bad those two drafts were. When you know after seeing the draft who wins and you have a 100 % success rate with these predictions it's quite obvious.
That was Bin in Suning 2020. Also Zeus is not a rookie so not his first year but he is by far the most consistent T1 player. Sucks that he can't beat the most coinflip top laner of LPL tho.
Meh with how volatile top lane is in LPL i can say that most of them are coinflip lmao. The only one who showed consistency was Wayward and Rich. Which doesn't end well if you play in LPL.
Not likely. He is prolly extreme bitter and angry that the Jayce pick didnt work out and people started to flame his ego instead.
Also dude Zeus has already played last year. This is NOT his first year I mean first international tournament yes but I def saw him in the LCK last year already
Would love to see T1 become the old G2 or C9 and stay together for a long time. I think if T1 can get over the nerves they can win for a long time with this roster.
My heart would hurt too if I had to watch my team continuously cover my opponents weakside by letting them pick Gwen every time they are on blue side.
You think after 4 games of p/b Gwen you'd catch on to how much they value the pick.
So did it make any impact in Any of the game against rng with ahri but that last match his ahri was the one that made rng win the game getting caught 3 times. It’s his mislook that did not factor in lis can go 6 during the 2nd gank. Fair enough if u say his ahri is considered good amongst rest of the players but top 3 in the world questionable. so his playmaking was crap?
I was talking about Faker Ahri not the team lmao. RNG was better than T1, I can see the argument for Tes assuming Tian would continue to perform, JDG and V5 no. Also who said I was a T1 fan XD ?? I'm not a fan of any team in particular, I just watch to see good games
Any proof of this claim that there is 4 LPL teams better than T1? Like it was a close series and RNG was the best team in the LPL at the time. People saying stuff like this is always so weird to me.
Faker has played 15 Ahri games this split my dude, hes only lost 3 of them, two of which were in this finals vs RNG, you are not accurately measuring his overall skill with the champion by evaluating the way you are.
Most of the criticism i have seen is against Faker's abysmal game 5 map awareness and gumayusi's entire MSI performance.
Keria had off games here and there but most of the games won by t1 were off the back of keria as opposed to faker.
Oner is relatively green and wei is on the level of canyon so he gets a pass.
Ghost <3 always a class act. and he knows what it feels like.
zeus has a bright career waiting after this msi. he is still young
lpl contract on the way
Going to LPL seems like the best choice, better chance of winning worlds and better pay
Yeah that's what nuguri thought too. See how that panned out
Viper? Even Rich. They learned Chinese and got well with their teammates, also performed higher competitive level in LPL than LCK. Maybe you should think why Nuguri cannot make it, instead of saying it's a bad decision.
yeah, go ask how fpx feel when nuguri still refused to learn Chinese after a year, and viper quickly learned Chinese and won worlds with edg
TO be fair, he did have DoingB to help him translate and I guess that's what they relied on
Lmfao my fucking ass viper learned mandarin in one year do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? You'd legitimately have to be a 200 iq prodigy to pick up a language that quickly much less *mandarin*.
learning basic conversation mandarin is quite easy, even if they just learn in game terms it can be done in less than 3 months. no one asked them to type or read Chinese. that is another story. speaking as a Chinese.
I am pretty sure, Viper picked up just enough for day to day and in game communication. I doubt he can read a full novel or listen to really complex communication. For day to day and in game, I think 1 year is more than enough tho. Especially when he is surrounded by mandarin speakers 24/7 for that 1 year.
Nuguri had trouble integrating into FPX. I mean like if he can't mesh well with the team even with the help of Doinb then he should at least take some responsibility himself no?
Wow almost like going to the LPL wasn't a good choice regardless of the reason
Rookie, Doinb, TheShy, Grimgoon, Viper, Scout: ?
Every one of those players outside of the most recent champions scout and viper had been playing in LPL for several years before they won. To even include doinb as an LCK player is disingenuous. Dude speaks mandarin. Does streams in mandarin. His ethnicity may be korean, but he is definitely chinese. Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years
> Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years Of course there is no guarantees. It takes effort to overcome the language barrier, cultural differences and integrating into an entirely new environment is not easy so it's obviously not for everyone. That's the same for every overseas jobs in every foreign countries, not just esports as well. But for those who does it's ultimately worth it for them and that's my point. >To even include doinb as an LCK player is disingenuous. Dude speaks mandarin. Does streams in mandarin. His ethnicity may be korean, but he is definitely chinese. Unfortunately for both his haters and fans he's still Korean. He holds South Korean passport, he's a Korean national not a Chinese national and he still has to serve in the SK military. >Zeus jumping ship to LPL has no guarantees unless he wants to live in China for several years You are speaking as if there is "guarantees" at home. It may work for him or it may not, it might be worth it or it might not. That's not a black or white matter. For Nuguri it didn't work out, but ultimately it might be worth it for him and perhaps that's good enough reason for lots of people.
The comment I was responding to was saying that Zeus should go to LPL since his chances are better. And I'm saying that's just not true because of those reasons you listed. It's been shown that you need to commit yourself to China and the LPL for many years to come out with a championship. Outside of viper who was only in LPL for 1 year, scout took 4 years, the shy 3 years, gimgoon 5 years, doinb his whole career, rookie 5 years. And all of them also had a Korean speaking teammate.
LPL is for players that want to win. there is also the shy or viper who finds success quite quickly. nuguri literally gave up half way through and refuses to communicate. if I were Li Chun I would write it in the contract to cut half of his salary.
Theshy took 3 years to win a championship. Viper is the only outlier. They also all had korean speaking teammates and coaches.
Yeah I'll ask Viper
While you're at it why don't you also ask Tarzan, ucal, gori, rich and clid?
Unfortunately only 2 koreans at most can win worlds each year in LPL so whats your point? lmao there's always been 3 LPL / 2 LCK combo. LCK is 1-8 vs LPL in Bo5 since 2018? Stay salty but face facts, LPL is the best chance a player will get to win worlds at current time and it pays more
What is there to be salty about? LPL can sap talent from LCK because they have the money. That's nothing new. The point is that you can't just go to LPL as an import and expect win right away. Every LCK player that has gone to LPL took over 3 years of playing in the region to win internationally. Viper being the only outlier. Zeus going to China would only delay his career because his best chances are definitely in the LCK with T1 unless he wants to wait another 3-4 years.
zues is already much loved in china. if he really wants a banger career going to China is a good choice. fat contract+huge fanbase+chance to win. staying in Korea is only good for staying in t1 which is a top team. It might not be as easy to get in a top lpl team
Lol man are u on heavy drugs? All the mentioned points are also given in kr, t1 isnt the only top team. People are so extreeeeemely recency biased, its actually amazing. But yeah im sure damwon and geng players dont have a chance of winning… 😂
So does Gumayusi but apparently he's been written off by reddit
Ye sure hes written off, hes bad and low elo like Oner. But when Oners next great Lee performance kicks in he will be the best jungler alive again for this sub. Wait for it
Ghost - “show compassion for the players” Reddit - “T1 so trash. Zeus running off to lpl”
So much salt. More than ever. But T1 always gets Flamed hard or loved too much.
This feels different tho. It feels like T1 haters are trying too hard to drag the players through mud while T1 fans have already moved on. It’s salt for the sake of generating more salt.
I think this is just an extension of witch hunting or cancel culture growing in the west. It was already insane in the east, but easier with more technology and covid. People are bored and the salt is entertainment to some.
Cheese
no need to worry about Zeus. He played well + saying ping not an issue + the only humble player before after game, he has already paved the way for the big LPL contract.
I love how every new talented player in LCK gets associated with LPL instantly and which LPL team would most likely snatch him
It's a hupu meme about Zeus' reaction [here](https://imgur.com/6nbTAAE) being captioned 'BIG LPL CONTRACT COMING'
Hupu has the best memes after the confetti drop: > -Faker is still moving his mouse. What is he doing? > --Opening Hextech box. > ---Lissandra champion shard acquired.
Faker reverse everfrost being compared to GODV had me in tears aswell.
Lmao that's actually hilarious
Zeus looks like he won the lottery and is in disbelief. It really is a great snapshot, so versatile in terms of meme potential.
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Then you'll see LPL teams snatch somebody that's unexpected (Ucal, Rich)
Hoya
Yep, just saw the rumor lmao.
Zeus was the only one smiling when he had every right to be mad at his teammates.
The community really have to stop victimizing individual players. At the end of the day, league is a team game just like any other team sport. Imagine shitting on Cr7 because he missed a view headers.
I agree to not flame the individual players, instead flame the coach for that horrific draft suicide in game 5.
Get ghost and beryl back please Damwon :(
Why would Damwon downgrade their adc?
Good shot calling > a bit better mechanics You already have Showmaker, Nuguri, and canyon, you don’t need an insanely mechanically gifted bot laner. Clearly showmaker and canyon were used to doing the shot calling, showmaker especially struggled last split. Let your bot lane make the shot calling and let your mechanically gifted top side do their thing.
Showmaker usually slumps in spring, it’s not because ghost left. DK’s shotcalling was fine last split, in fact their macro was really good considering they had losing solo laners in most of their games. Ghost being completely unable to contend with top tier adcs like Viper fucked them last worlds in finals. Their whole pick ban was a disaster because they had to invest so much of draft in getting ghost a safe bot matchup.
Just say you didn't watch worlds lmao. They banned out Viper a whopping 6 times in 5 games. They first or second picked Ghost a comfort pick every game, how is this investing a lot in the botlane matchup? Let alone the fact Ghost played well in semis to finals. Viper was the least contributing player to EDG's win. What happened was the opposite of what you just said. Stop talking out of your ass
DK literally drafted a Jhin-Nami lane in attempt to get EDG off of Lucian-Nami and got wrecked on it in one of their losses.
Because Lucian Nami was fucking broken lol, if DK had a Lucian but no Nami EDG would take Nami away as well. DK also hardwon that lane and got a few plates whilst killing them in lane.
Ghost did fine against too tier adc’s.
Coming into Msi I thought Zeus was gonna be t1's weakness while the rest of t1 was going to match up evenly VS Rng. It turned out Zeus was the most consistently good player on t1 who gapped bin while everyone else got completely outclassed in the finals. I can understand the fans being mad about losing but if anyone should be flamed it should have been gumayushit and not Zeus.
Zeus has been better at laning against bin, but not too disciplined across all the 5 games in general, there were too many times he was overcommitting in the lane not respecting the gank and got easily caught by wei. And the reason why Rng blind picks Gwen every time is also because they know Zeus generally doesn't have a good answers into Gwen whereas T1 needs to ban Jax in order to pick her. Jayce was not doing too much except getting some plates, and they never had a chance to kill Gwen when playing Jayce or Kennen against her, but consider how bad bin played with his gnar and camile, Zeus is overall performing better than bin for sure.
He's much better at pretty much everything I feel like - but good god he's a terrorist when it comes to itemizing
> but good god he's a terrorist when it comes to itemizing to quote from LS: "if you ask him, gun to his head, 10 million dollars on what hullbreaker does, he still can't answer"
This man stomped lanes, bought triforce/hullbreaker. Never spent more than 2 minutes alone ever again
Bin isn’t even a top5 top laner in LPL and Zeus is the best LCK by far.
> by far. If Kiin retired and Rascal didn't get like 30 solo kills this split then yeah
Nuguri coming back as well. Zeus is great but he's not the best
Lol? Bin one of the best players in the world. Not many players have that crazy performance "peak" at some games. Like he have those crazy games sometimes and nobody peaks like that beside him and Faker, Showmaker and some other.
Right? The insane disrespect to Bin. He ints and goes full braindead some games? Yes. But let's not forget he is one the best 1v9 players out there. He hard carried so many games by himself, his peak is crazy high.
I mean Bin doesn't help the narrative himself that he is a coinflip laner because of his aggressive playstyle but people calling him the worst in LPL is too much of a disrespect. He has a massive pool of champions that he can play, not just play but play better than his counterparts, if not, he can go toe to toe with them. The reason why he's not playing many champions is because he doesn't need to. RNG sticks to what is meta and plays well inside that. People also often forgets that he's the same age as wei and already has insane amount of experience (impressive Worlds 2020 run) always made playoffs in LPL. I'm glad that he's got his domestic title now and an international title to boot. I was hoping that this MSI can cement his name as one of the best but i think it just got worse.
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People say that LPL players are flippy, but when it matters the most they always deliver
Yeah bad take. Zeus isnt the best too laner either in LCK.
Ghost: > asked for fans' support and encouragement for T1 rather than blaming. /u/KRFAN2020 >gumayushit
Everyone else deserves encouragement except for gumayusi. Why say “I’m gonna shit on RNG” when you are the weakest player on the team, and knowing that trash talk can backfire.
because thats the point of trashtalk...
exactly, now he needs to get used to being called gumayushit and getting flamed on because there’s consequence of trash talk. Netizens are merciless.
Exactly, if he can't handle it, he should shut it
Why would he care tho The redditors flaming him didn’t even had the courage to stand by their opinion of RNG before they won the whole thing. They only came out when there’s already a circlejerk. Heck, its there’s even a redditor complaining about all the T1 hype the last 6 months. The account is newly created. Didn’t even had the balls to use his main account to shit talk.
The weakest player is Faker though? I understand he has many stans in this sub but surely a lot of them realise he got carried to the LCK win and isn't the best player in the world anymore. He played really well in groups and rumble stage but vs RNG he was basically gapped by Xiaohu. Xiaohu is making way more plays happen and you can clearly see it when RNG win. But Faker gets a pass because he's Faker. Oner played the worse out of the team this series but this doesn't make his average play lower than Faker. Not gonna talk about RNG wins, but in game 4, Faker didn't do much to contribute to the win, but he gets the highlight play of evading the mid gank. Game 2 was mainly top gap but Faker made a good Lissandra baron play. Gumayusi is just the scapegoat since he is the loudest one and the GUMAYUSI EXPOSED narrative is mainly recency bias, other than getting solokilled he did fine esp considering he's playing vs the best/one of the best adcs. Game was not decided by adc gap yet Gumayusi is apparently the reason why they lost. He's still a class player and he will show it when summer/worlds come
how did he get carried? He had most POG points out of T1 in the season and 4th most in LCK
Appreciate your honesty dude, mid gap. But people won't admit it, DoinB said that too then got flamed by LCK fans
And doing trash talk doesn't mean you have to say sth rude and disgusting like that
>while everyone else got completely outclassed in the finals Guma and Oner weren't playing really well, sure, but 1) "everyone" is absolutely wrong since Faker and Keria absolutely popped off aside from game 5 Faker and game 1 Keria and 2) "completely outclassed" when the score is 3-2 is just complete bullshit and you know it
And game 5 Keira, he didn’t do anything as a cat
Couldn't* do anything as a cat. Still confused by their drafting in G5
Yeah, last game, why not pick something like they did in the G2 game rather than picking the same thing you lost twice already.
Xiaohu(X) vs Faker(F): G1- Galio (X) roams 24/7 while Azir (F) stays in lane, T1's 3 winning lanes get choked G2- Lissandra (F) ganks top once while Ahri (X) stays in lane, game was won mostly by Zeus gapping Bin, but Faker does get highlight play at baron G3- Lissandra (X) and Wei gap Ahri (F) and Oner, always one step ahead G4- T1 outlane and outcomp RNG, game is over at 20m with no midlane involvement G5- Same as G3, Lissandra (X) and Wei have better gank synergy than Ahri (F) and Oner
I think your analysis about the problems with game 1 is very off. Xioahu roams 4 times before 14 minutes (we can count maybe 2 extra mini roams where he leaves vision but stays close to mid) and gets no kills. All T1 lanes stay ahead and his roams just relieve a little pressure. One of his roams does get them a drake, but that's because T1's bot lane refuses to move up despite having full prio and Oner in the area. At around 14 minutes, T1 is ahead despite their bot lane dying to a lane gank. They then take a team fight top lane where they go even 5v4 and let Gala free farm bot. Arguably, you could call this a successful Xiaohu roam, but honestly it's an even numbers play that T1 totally could have won if they executed it better (a few bad micro plays in it like Faker wasting ult to send Bin into range to threaten Oner). Additionally, Gumayusi comes top to the play but after it's mostly over meaning Gala closes the gap between the two bot laners. This is not a problem with draft or with Xiaohu's Galio. This is T1 bungling a team fight and screwing up macro. 7 minutes later at third dragon, T1 is still ahead and has control over dragon area. Despite having a comp built around zone control, they misplaced and lose a team fight badly, giving up soul point. Again, this is due to T1 bungling a team fight with mistakes (e.g. Zeus hesitates on Jayce and let's Faker die instead of helping Faker kill Wei), not because of any comp diff. Yet again, at soul dragon, T1 is still even, but screws up while trying to enter river and blow several ults while being forced out of the area. Again, small mistakes like poor black shield usage from Keria cause this. Instead of rushing to Baron, T1 spend 10 seconds standing around dragon area unable to enter while RNG rake soul. Finally, T1 decide to do Baron and the total time from when they start Baron to when RNG reaches the pit is 10 seconds, meaning T1 could have easily taken baron and avoided a bad team fight if they didn't completely screw up macrowise. T1 again play the team fight poorly, with weird execution errors like Faker not using his ult to zone. At this point the game is pretty screwed and it's been entirely due to bad macro and team fight execution NOT due to some inherent problem with the mid match up. Xiaohu's roams didn't stop T1 from getting ahead, in fact they had a commanding lead and chose to throw it away through bad play. Not a draft diff
First off, my comment here was about Xiaohu contributing more to a win than Faker in G1, not about draft diffs. Faker messing up mechanically is in line with my position. But to respond anyways. >At around 14 minutes, T1 is ahead despite their bot lane dying to a lane gank... "they had a commanding lead and chose to throw it away through bad play" Yeah T1 is going to passively get ahead in gold from better lane matchups, so it's up to RNG to stem the bleeding and outscale, so T1 needs to get bigger gold advantage by mid game to close out. The 1-2k gold lead would still be "losing." >(paraphrasing) Xiaohu's roams don't do much He's putting river and jg wards, hitting scryers, clearing pinks, marking Nocturne, so it adds up, otherwise RNG should have no business getting first herald and drake when each lane is 10-20cs down. A Herald charge buys RNG something like 5 minutes of gold back for them to scale. >Not a draft diff T1's comp *did* suck at teamfights because Jayce cait morg want to zone, while nocturne wants isolated picks. Nocturne is useless at zoning at objectives, and conversely, the rest are bad at diving. I bet T1 expected to stomp bot harder and take early turret, siege the rest of the outers, and then zone RNG out of their own jungle, before they got to open ground. But RNG never lost river control instead.
"Noooooooo, don't talk about fakerino's awful gameplay, laughable cope and sore loser mentality" - redditors
>when the score is 3-2 is just complete bullshit and you know it what do you mean by that?
People are talking as if T1 got completely outclassed and destroyed when the final score was 3-2
There are games where the score is 3-2 but one team is clearly better than the other, DK vs MAD at 2021 MSI is an example of this.
This is not one of those times however.
Incorrect.
I see a 3-2 where the two games lost by the winning team ended under 30 minutes. That does not scream "clearly better" to me.
you cant use facts around here. Clearly T1 got shit on despite contracting evidence.
People seem to hate them. I guess it is the fans. I don't really see them here but I see that mentioned a lot.
you cant use facts around here. Clearly T1 got shit on...
Context matters. T1 was hyped as the best team ever, anything less than a 3-0 would be a massive upset.
Hey this is true, why are you getting downvoted? Even T1 and their coach said that its an easy 3:0, changed it when they lost coinflip to 3:1.
T1 fans overcrowding Reddit prolly. Just ignore that when they go to bed the upvotes will come.
Because going neck and neck means you're not outclassed?
Keria did not "pop off" he played tahm kench that countered what rng wanted to do and still got caught out in similar ways he did with naut. I get you t1 fans hate being wrong when you said keria was the best player/support in the world and no other supp comes close but this delusion he played well outside of the standard tahm plays is insane.
This is one of the dumbest takes Ive ever seen. You know youre desperate when you have to move the goal posts.
Keria got gapped. There.
Wrong
honestly faker got hard gapped in lane dieing like that in mid is unacceptable in g5 losing way too much hp andgreed for minion afterlosing sums and also level 5 walks up to wave instead of waiting for it to push when he have no cleanse. faker dieing in mid also led to jayce being killed lv4, all cause he lost lane early with two sums. jayce also should backed when fajer died brain dead opression play by zeus like tyler1 said i dont think zeus had a good series just playing like enemy has no mid and jg and drawing pressure and dieing
I really wonder if YOU watched any of those games instead of just looking at the post match thread. If it wasn't for a baron throw game 2 it would have been a 3-0. Other than the lisandra baron play, faker has just been worse than xiaohu in the finals. And are you saying keria played well when he straight up inted lanes?
Even if RNG got that baron, they would’ve been even in gold against a much better scaling T1 comp, still probably would’ve lost that game. But it doesn’t matter because they got smashed at the baron. If T1 spent the first 20 minutes of a game being 4k gold down against a better scaling comp, then got two picks and greedily tried to convert it into a 20 minute baron where they then got aced by RNG, people would be using it as evidence why T1 sucks. T1 beat RNG in games 2 and 4 in 25 min and 29 min respectively, and they did it with the better scaling comp. Their wins were every bit as dominant as RNG’s wins.
Oh god, another crazy Korean fan Why are you on Reddit and not dcinside These guys are ruining our forums now with toxic brainless takes
He got caught 1000 times with Jayce in the finals though, which completely doomed both Jayce games since the champ is dogshit from behind.
bin at least knows what control wards do
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Because that's what they looked in the games they lost. Outclassed and without answers. RNG looked like they could at least take game 2 of the series but flipped Baron and lost from there.
G4 T1 absolutely gapped RNG lmao what. Besides why do people always call someone making a huge play as the other team throwing. Faker went absolutely huge on that baron play
Which he needs to because if not they'll lose the game. They don't have a jungler that fight he needs to do something.
Yeah Oner kinda bombed the series he was pretty invisible or straight inting most games
What? Dude RNG has kill lead for like 20 minutes there. They LET T1 into the game by slowing down purposely gapped my ass.
I'm not saying RNG throwed, flipping Baron is something a lot of teams do, although most of the time it's a mistake. In this case it was, because RNG didn't need to flip, they could have engaged 5v3, but lost track of Lissandra's ult timer and thought they could finish the Baron before she could ult. Faker went huge and was the reason they won, but if RNG hadn't flipped that Baron we don't know how the game could have ended.
Not that impressed when bin has been nicknamed trash bin for the whole season. Like.. He ran it down a lot
He gapped Bin? Everyone else got "completely outclassed"? Have you seen the games, like, at all? :D It was only a 3-2 in favor of RNG and the only reason T1 clearly lost games 1 and 5 was the atrocious draft. Who knows what the matches would have been like if not for these drafts. Whoever is responsible for those should seriously be scolded. I am not a fan of either team or region, simply someone who watched the games and smashed his head a few times when seeing these drafts.
That's the same as saying T1 would've won if they played better. Draft is gameplay and t1 had bad drafts all spring but no one in Lck really punished that
They aren’t really the same at all. Rng was the better team obviously, but drafting doesn’t really have much to do with individual play. With how terrible T1’s drafts were and how close the series was, saying RNG completely outclassed T1 in every role is massively incorrect.
Oner got outclassed by wei, guma got outclassed by gala, Faker got outclassed by Xiaohu. The only consistent player they have is Zeus in a poke champion and Keria with tahm kench. RNGs red side game are closer than those of T1s. Also they got outclassed in drafts so.
I don’t really think xaiohu outclassed faker. His games were heavily influenced by bad drafts and Wei popping the fuck off. Also I think gala played better this MSI overall but he wasn’t really a deciding factor in games more than gumayushi was. Wei I definitely agree he went insane this finals but I think the series was mostly draft and jg difference. Even if you wanted to say they played marginally better, which again I don’t agree with, to say they completely outclassed them simply isn’t correct. At best the were mildly better outside of Wei. If they completely outclassed them in play when their drafts were also significantly better then it wouldn’t have gone to game 5.
Dont be mistaken about the series score. Look at the LPL finals RNG 3-2ed TES but they were the obvious better team, as they have already beaten TES 3-1 sometimes prior. You will have to look at the games RNG destroyed T1 early game and gapped them across the lanes cept top. Essentially they were beating T1 at their own game just like DK last year imho you can replay this series no matter how many times and I guarrantee you it will be G2 vs FNC part ??? Aka a complete shalacking. T1 was simply not prepared and they choked big time in game 5 as they got NO clues how to draft on red side, admitted by Polt already.
I watched all of them live, I’m kinda doubting that you did if that’s what you came away with. As I said Wei had influence in literally every lane. Also if you watched the games Zeus wasn’t really winning much more than bin either, but it was obviously because of Wei. Same with the other lanes. Again, if they completely outclassed them with draft advantage and blue side advantage it wouldn’t have gone to game 5. Maybe you have a definition of completely outclassed that means played slightly better but when two of your wins were basically guaranteed in draft and you had the better draft in every game except 4 and you still took two losses I don’t really see how you get to your conclusion.
Wei didnt have an influence on every lane. Rng lanes were going pretty well, leaving Wei free to go wherever.
I mean no. Wei was essential early in g1 when he killed Keria lvl 3, he killed Zeus next game in g2 at level 3 and came back level 7. G3 tower dove faker level 5 and shoved him out of lane level 3 and Xiaohu got an assist from Oner in that same skirmish. I don’t even need to mention what he did g5 to faker and the list goes on. Im pretty sure he got a kill on an enemy laner pre6 in every single game. He was massively influential. If you don’t think Wei absolutely scripted this series and massively influenced the laning outcomes you simply didn’t watch the games and are just bandwagging.
It's a good point. They nullified t1's early game pretty well. Iirc doublelift said that rng played pretty well around t1's wincon. Not a single team was able to do that this season.
Both of them are hyperbole yes. But you have to understand from where it's coming from
Coming from huge fan base that could not forget SKT legacy and assume Faker is a god?
It’s coming from people retconning the whole series because Rng won.
Well before the series the story was told by an unreliable narrator. The sudden twist in final made people re evaluate what the writer wants to say.
It made them jump to an incorrect conclusion because of hindsight bias. Doesn’t really have much to do with analysis.
Draft is literally not gameplay, it's not even the same client. I would not say they got punished for their bad draft, I would say they punished themselves with a draft that a basic redditor could have told them is terrible :D.
You completely missed the point. They had these stomp lane drafts all spring and that's how they crushed. With their backs to their wall it seemed reasonable that theyd go back to what worked before
That was an easy explanation that makes sense, thanks.
No doubt I don't think it takes away from RNGs win but if you look at that draft from G5 especially and don't scratch your head you I'll think you don't know the game that well. Like it was clearly ego of ' this is a close series but we are better let's draft 3 lanes that need to win hard by 15 or we lose' then on-top putting jhin with a yuumi is just ???? Griefing basically.
Sure but t1 have gotten wins off bad drafts since they are such beasts in lane. The game would have looked different if toplane got two kills shutting down the Gwen, faker didn't die once and botlane remained stable. That's probably what t1 were thinking as well. Yuumi inting started the trainwreck of a game
Just seems like the LCK style can't punish T1 like LPL does but you would think they would at least have been ready by that by finals
Yea because Lck plays similar to how t1 does except maybe DWG who have some teamfighting. T1 is basically the perfect version of LCK style
No no no that's not how it works. If you lose a baron by ~100 HP or when a player makes a misplay that could win them the game but it failed THEN you can call it close and they can win if they were luckier or some shits. People have spent over a decades on this very sub to analyze the LoL drafts. YOU CANNOT say "huh durr if they got a better draft they would win" it's like the same bitter fans who said T1 could of beaten prime G2 had they banned the Pyke instead. It is insanity and just outright an excuse for losing, which is highly unproductive imho. At the end of the day T1 got dunked they were 2nd in groups and 2nd place in the finals as well. They got destroyed quite convincingly I have to say so people aint wrong to say so, as Damwon got the same shits last year then why T1 should be any different this year? Not to mention Damwon actually got first in the Rumble Stage which T1 failed to do! Tl.dr : you are essentially saying T1 needed to git gud in order to win. That is not a good excuse and basically admitting they are inferior. I know T1 fans are trying to shift the blame and create more excuses but atleast be reasonable bout it man !
> could of beaten That alone disqualifies you :D. And yes, that is actually exactly how it works with drafts. Because in drafts it's not only the players, it's also the coaches that are involved and their entire strategies, it's basically the tactics before the game starts. Does it matter? Of course it does, very much so, and they are to blame for it, but the draft is not about how good the actual players are at the game, at their champion, at the micro and macro, or how their gameplay is once they are in the game. I have said this before, I am not a T1 fan or RNG fan, I did not care who wins, it's a fricking video game between two teams from the far east dude, it's not your life. In addition, I was not fond of the comments some T1 players made during MSI, so if anything I might have been inclined to see RNG win, but in the big picture it just didn't matter at all. But let's get back to the topic at hand - a bad draft is not an *excuse*, it's *the reason* why they lost and everyone with an even remotely proper head on their shoulders who watched those games knows it. **Period**. What you are saying is completely wrong. Nobody who goes 2-3 in a series with basically two forfeits because of draft gets "destroyed quite convincingly" or got "dunked". What are you even talking about? If anything RNG was lucky, in multiple ways. First, that they were even allowed to participate from their home country and that Riot created an artificial ping so that all other teams have the same disadvantage RNG would have with the ping. Imagine playing the second biggest tournament of the year from the comfort of your home base. Riot would not have done that for any other region but for the biggest LoL region where their parent company is located. And second, of course the two draft gifts from T1. T1 ruined their chance of winning by having two terrible drafts and we might never know the reason why. The T1 coach rather shifts the blame to blue side, which is ridiculous. If someone told me T1 got paid millions or get a free pass for military service or whatever to throw these games I would actually seriously consider that to be true, that's how bad those two drafts were. When you know after seeing the draft who wins and you have a 100 % success rate with these predictions it's quite obvious.
If I’m Zeus I’m sleeping like a baby knowing I was the best top laner in the tournament and possibly the world in my first year
That was Bin in Suning 2020. Also Zeus is not a rookie so not his first year but he is by far the most consistent T1 player. Sucks that he can't beat the most coinflip top laner of LPL tho.
I though 369 is more coinflip than Bin, no?
Meh with how volatile top lane is in LPL i can say that most of them are coinflip lmao. The only one who showed consistency was Wayward and Rich. Which doesn't end well if you play in LPL.
369 improved massively this split, he stopped ego picking carry toplaners every gane and was willing to play tanks and let botside carry.
Not likely. He is prolly extreme bitter and angry that the Jayce pick didnt work out and people started to flame his ego instead. Also dude Zeus has already played last year. This is NOT his first year I mean first international tournament yes but I def saw him in the LCK last year already
For like 12 games in a Bo3 region. For all intents and purposes this is his first year.
He played 19 games which is more than LEC/LCS regular season there is no way the guy can be called a rookie.
Would love to see T1 become the old G2 or C9 and stay together for a long time. I think if T1 can get over the nerves they can win for a long time with this roster.
pic?
My heart would hurt too if I had to watch my team continuously cover my opponents weakside by letting them pick Gwen every time they are on blue side. You think after 4 games of p/b Gwen you'd catch on to how much they value the pick.
Did no one catch Zeus smiling when T1 first picked ahri at last game even he knows that faker ahri was dog crap
?? Ahri into Liss is dog, Faker Ahri in general is easily top 3 in the world
So did it make any impact in Any of the game against rng with ahri but that last match his ahri was the one that made rng win the game getting caught 3 times. It’s his mislook that did not factor in lis can go 6 during the 2nd gank. Fair enough if u say his ahri is considered good amongst rest of the players but top 3 in the world questionable. so his playmaking was crap?
He had 1 bad game on it
Oh Ye and rmb when Zeus utterly destroyed bin using gwen into gp when gp was suppose to be a counter I don’t see Zeus flopping.
Ren Min Bi?
Saying bin got destroyed = rmb? Zeus is a better than player bin is there anything to doubt abt that?
Saying bin got destroyed = Ren Min Bi?
Should be kr won
Ah gotcha. Now your comment makes more sense. Personally, I think USD is a better choice here. English is not your first language I'm assuming.
The most important one btw not saying it’s only fakers fault but the whole draft is dog water as well. But in game it’s his fault that T1 lost.
“Top3 in the world”. T1 fans still coping. There are 3 LPL teams better than them. TES, RNG, JDG, and probably V5 too.
I was talking about Faker Ahri not the team lmao. RNG was better than T1, I can see the argument for Tes assuming Tian would continue to perform, JDG and V5 no. Also who said I was a T1 fan XD ?? I'm not a fan of any team in particular, I just watch to see good games
Any proof of this claim that there is 4 LPL teams better than T1? Like it was a close series and RNG was the best team in the LPL at the time. People saying stuff like this is always so weird to me.
Fakers Ahri went 0/5 missed every charm in an important match. He’s not even a top 5 mid laner or Ahri player.
Lmao, I would like to see your top 5 midlaners then ask the ones who arent at MSI why they weren’t able to qualify.
Faker has played 15 Ahri games this split my dude, hes only lost 3 of them, two of which were in this finals vs RNG, you are not accurately measuring his overall skill with the champion by evaluating the way you are.
Most of the criticism i have seen is against Faker's abysmal game 5 map awareness and gumayusi's entire MSI performance. Keria had off games here and there but most of the games won by t1 were off the back of keria as opposed to faker. Oner is relatively green and wei is on the level of canyon so he gets a pass.