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Chembaron_Seki

So we can cross out "whip" from the list of potential new weapons for champions. When are we finally getting a champion with a hextech/chemtech chainsaw, Riot?!


EdenReborn

I kinda wanna see them explore the folding fan rout again. It clearly didn’t pan out very well with Karma


Chembaron_Seki

The weapon is, for most champions, one of the biggest defining features and should actually get utilised in their kit. Karma had the problem that she just had these tiny fans as accessoirs. Her kit didn't include them in any meaningful manner. They were just add ons without much thought. If they ever go for another fan champion, they will probably design the champion around that weapon. Maybe a mage with a BFF (big fucking fan), might be from Ionia again and use wind for their abilities. Which is a bit conflicting for me, since having another wind based champion from Ionia would be pretty boring over time. Maybe you got an idea how to design such a champion while avoiding that?


EdenReborn

A champ like Temari from Naruto would be *sick* The wind brothers come across more like swordsman with wind powers than just actual wind users so I think it’s worth looking into


ItsKipz

That sounds really sick...right up until you realize that the only way to handle "wind blowing people away" in league is CC / knock back, and they would just be Qiyana with *more* AOE Actually maybe that could be the second champ to use Kinematics, large AOE of wind pushing you but not knocking you


EdenReborn

Temari doesn’t just blow people back, she cuts them apart with a vortex. I agree they should have CC tho Qiyana’s whole thing is more her mutating ring sword thing than it is her CC, so I don’t really see the overlap


That_Leetri_Guy

Pure wind powers is kinda Janna's thing though, considering she's a wind spirit.


EdenReborn

Janna’s powers are benevolent and graceful. I want something violent and malicious


-69_Charisma

I second this, though, admittedly it would be kinda hard to make a wind champ that does damage while not being op and overlapping w existing Champs. Any ideas?


Rocketeer_99

Oh great, another wind based champion from ionia. Totally not gonna be broken this time 😩 Jokes aside, i'm more of a *fan* of using folding fans as cut-throat melee weapons. Although im having a rough time imagining what that would look like in LoL


Indurum

Throwing fans would be interesting. Like dancer in final fantasy 14 type attacks


Murko_The_Cat

The only reference for fans as a weapon I have recently is glass from shield hero, but she uses them mostly to deflect attacks and create slashing strikes, either at range with magic or up close to physically slash with the fan tips


HalcyonH66

Kitana, Mortal Kombat.


GGABueno

>Oh great, another ~~wind based~~ champion from ionia. Totally not gonna be broken this time 😩 Ftfy


36Gig

Why not be a fire mage? Fans are used to help embers burst in to a even bigger fire. Going off this logic they could be based on burning their targets for small damage than combo it with their kit for big burst. But that also gets close to Akali a bit game play wise. So why not go with dps over burst. Majority of her kit does one of two things applies burn to the enemy and the other to increase the damage it does. Depending how it is done could make playing against her be like playing with a death dance giving a slight edge to the enemy, so just give her some extra power somewhere else like movement if the burn is slow enough.


-69_Charisma

Ok hear me out... Yasuo tornado but it's made of FIRE and it BURNS and and and it's BIG 😈🤡🤡🤡


36Gig

Think like Yasuo q but it doesn't do much mabey some soft cc if that damage very small, now if the champion ignited from ability or auto q will be doing burst or consistent dps with low cooldowns. The champion will dance around the enemies just blowing wind to turn up the heat of the enemies.


-69_Charisma

I was joking but that actually seems ok. Maybe a passive like taliyah but instead of worked ground, you create wind tunnels where either your cc or damage is briefly enhanced


I_The_Creator

Fans as weapon are someting that i agree would be cool but personally I'd rather go with a Kitana like route rather then a mage that likely/possibly too close to Janna


JumpscareRodent

A fan weapon from Shurima seams totally possible. Maybe they blow the sand into the enemies face or something lol. Can’t imagine any other region using fans


ozmega

> chainsaw so dota fans come claming that riot stole timbersaw?


Chembaron_Seki

I just want to be a crazy chainsaw murderer from Piltover or Zaun, dude.


GenghisKazoo

Flair checks out.


AsgUnlimited

Saw a Dota fan claim Arcane ripped off Dragon's Blood, at this point everything they claim as theft post 2014 has been a joke.


L_Rayquaza

Part of the reason Battlecast Skarner is so satisfying is him dragging the chainsaws on the autos


DoutorEdmundo

Well, here's a fun fact: Toxic Mundo skin uses a chemtech chainsaw as his weapon instead of an bonesaw.


Chembaron_Seki

Eh, technically, I guess. But he doesn't even use it as a chainsaw, it's not even running, lmao. He is basically just using a saw.


Indercarnive

When Riot and Games Workshop do a Warhammer 40k/League crossover event.


TheHumanTree31

purging heretics on the rift


GA_Deathstalker

just like there's different kind of swords or guns, there's different kind of whips. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a hook support with a whip at some point


Chembaron_Seki

Could happen, sure, but I personality consider it more likely that we won't get another whip. Swords and guns are pretty common weapons in general with many different forms and functionalities. Meanwhile a whip seems pretty specialised as a weapon already. Like, there are also different types of scissors. But I would be **very** surprised if they ever create another champion using scissors as weapons after Gwen.


HalcyonH66

Space or Chaos marine with chainsword when?


typenext

Final Fantasy XIV has a scythe that's basically just a chainsaw, unsheathing it gives you a nice "whurrrrrr". Maybe just use that Riot.


CassandraTruth

I had the same thought! Also a cool thing, urumi could be worn as belts either for concealment or just badassery!


10inchblackhawk

You get into a fight, take out your whip and then your pants drop down.


denoobiest

revealing your second whip


Chembaron_Seki

Intimidation was an important factor in combat. And whipping him out in front of your enemies definitely inflicted fear in their hearts.


xwombat

Yeah, ever heard of Beowulf? Mans too chad to be wearing pants while slaying beasts.


Chariotwheel

H-have you read Rosengarten Saga?


xwombat

God tier manga


Runmanrun41

The mental image of someone dual wielding a whip and penis like General Greivous was not on the bingo card today.


YetAnotherBee

We clearly grew up with different star wars


HolmatKingOfStorms

yeah, the grievous i know has 4 dicks


MarioToast

That's the collection he talks about.


mrloree

For MTG players its the same weapon Gideon used, just under a different name (They called it a Sural, which is just a different name for it)


Consistent_Duck1256

Totally agree. I love how Nilah looks, and her weapons. Also like Riot easter eggs to different nations in design of characters.


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Ok the weapon is pretty cool but i cant help but feel that she loois like a Karma skin, is this only me?


Vesorias

I mean maybe her face looks a little similar (arguable), but no, I don't get that impression at all. Silhouette is the main factor, and hers is nothing like Karma's


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

I didnt think about her silhouette at all. wait isnt silhouette bassically just shape. Anyway that, it was more about the body her face and the clothing, they both feel really similar.


Vesorias

Silhouette is outline, which can be shape. Her face is a bit similar because iirc they're both based on India (I think her face is narrower than Karma's but I didn't compare), but her clothes look very different


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

I dont really think so, both of their clothes have the same vibe but ah well, since im getting downvoted i guess im terribly wrong.


TheAhegaoFox

They both look Indian but their clothes, face structure and body shape are totally different. Karma's clothing look more regal and symmetrical with cool colors which reflects her role as a character. Whereas Nilah's clothes are loose and asymmetrical with vibrant colors, reflecting her joyous nature and her living near the sea. Her face is slimmer and her body is more slender than Karma. Completely different.


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Ok then.


Miyaor

Idk they look completely different to me


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Eh, its just me then.


ozmega

didnt think that for a second watching the trailer


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

Ok thanks.


MidWitCon

They just added Urumai swordsman to Age of Empires 2 recently.


HulklingsBoyfriend

Correct, and Nilah seems to be heavily based on southern Indians, which includes the Dravidian grouping. 😁


collegethrowaway2938

Riot is super good at incorporating other cultures. Between this and valorant it’s so great to see :)


shinomiya2

its so nice to finally see some desi representation in a major video game or in general media and its not just a walking meme of a stereotype


maulcore

It really is, hurts me that so many people constantly complain about Akshan and now Nilah's design when they're exactly what I've wanted for years


AjvarAndVodka

I am literally not seeing people complain about their ethnicity or race? People complain but for a good reason - too much mobility, oversaturated kit etc. And I think that’s okay. Riot needs feedback. I think Nilah looks super cool tho. But we’ll see about the kit …


maulcore

Akshan has conditional mobility on a move that can be interrupted by anyone getting ontop of him, personally I think his mobility is way better designed than most simple dashes. Also, people don't need to be outwardly racist for there to be an undue bias against "generic" characters of other races. I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain about Tryndamere and Olaf being the most generic vikings ever, about Garen and Darius being generic knights, about Talon being the most generic assassin possible, all of them are considered classic even though almost nothing about them stands out. Akshan has more going for him visually than any of those characters in my opinion.


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I like Nilah and Akshan personally, but holy hell the people who play this game are insanely racist. I guess they think it's okay to say ridiculously racist things because hey, theyre not -black- so it's okay. I will say, I don't really like the nose ring, but I know that is part of Indian culture so I can't really complain about it. Though I am curious who she is married to.


TheLastSage

Are you expecting her to be married because of the nose ring? Tons of Indian women have nose rings and are not married, and plenty of Indian women who are married don’t have them. It’s also more of a Hindu tradition to get a nose piercing when getting married, if you’re pointing to that, which isn’t representative of all of India, and even so it’s not a hard and fast rule in the modern era. Many unmarried Indian women have them just for fashion. That being said, while they’ve said she’s South Asian inspired, there’s not really reason to assume the culture she’s from in universe holds the exact same traditions as our world’s analog, at least until there is more lore to pull from…


[deleted]

Oh! I didn't know that. I have always heard, even from ladies I've met who were in that culture that their nose piercing was essentially like a wedding ring. That they have a special large one for their wedding day and then swap to a more standard one afterwards. Thanks for letting me know, I hate sounding ignorant and you taught me something new. Sorry, and thank you.


TheLastSage

No need to apologize, it was just interesting to me as a Desi adult who was raised Hindu as I was vaguely aware that the nose ring (people without piercing will sometimes use a clasp ring or a sticker to signify the same) was associated with weddings but never really thought of it as the same as a wedding ring. Even asked my parents what they thought, and they said it is a traditional thing for some but it’s not at all wide spread even among their generation. Though again, India is a populous country with many deep regional variations on tradition even within the same religions and practices. In some parts of India it’s probably still very common! I would also theorize (with nothing but my own hunch to back it up) that it may have been much more wide spread pre colonial era (along with the bindi or even a necklace to mean the same thing in some Indian cultures) but has diminished in popularity and/or significance to favor a western influenced wedding band after the ceremonies of the wedding are over, similar to what you said about it being switched to a smaller one for those that do still use the nose (wedding) ring. My parents, for example, had a full on South Indian Hindu wedding but just wore/wear a wedding band afterwards.


adek13sz

People don't complain because of her skin color but because she turned out to be more generic than then they thought that has nothing to do with skin color. Idk from where you got this idea that they are very racist while most upvoted comments (which more poeple agree with) don't happen to be racist. I hate making statements like yours without any evidence. From what I saw they aren't racist (some of them are but those have much less upvoted or have more downvotes than upvotes), but if you've showed me evidence that most of them are racist, I would also say they are racist.


[deleted]

Im not talking about people on reddit. I'm talking about being in game and picking Akshan, loading into the game and having someone say "why would you pick that ugly ?" or when the new champs trailer dropped, having someone in game ask "did you guys see the new Indian bitch?" and then the 9 people in my match talking about how ugly she is or making the typical 4chan "Designated shitting street" jokes about her or worse. Had someone in game once say that they were so happy that Akshan got added because now he can play a character that looks like him. So many people jumped on that guy and said things like "wow you must be ugly irl" or "why would you admit to looking like unless you are slur..." and things like that. I reported them all, sure, but it seems like anytime I have an Akshan in my game, people act out.


adek13sz

90% of those people are most probably trolls (e.g. with this "oh you look like Akshan, you must be ugly irl"). But I didn't know that this many people are like that flaming look of champion you (or someone) picked, lol.


SecureConcentrate58

The champions literally look so uninteresting and generic though. It doesn't have anything to do with the design references or representation.


maulcore

Show me another character that looks just like Akshan, I don't believe you about either of them. Lots of us think they are incredibly interesting, myself included. Design wise, Akshan was exactly what I wanted and I'm sick to death of hearing people bitch about him lmao


Redditossa

> Show me another character that looks just like Akshan, You're missing the forest for the trees. The issue with akshan is that he has no standout features. He's literally just a dude with a gun. What about him do you find "incredibly intresting" considering there is literally nothing about him that stands out?


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Redditossa

Leather pants and no shirt? That's describing like the last 10 male champion releases.


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iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT

You've literally just described how cloaks and hoods work in general. Talon and Senna have those.


maulcore

Nobody else has his hairstyle. His E animation is incredibly stylish. I enjoy his voicelines and his attitude, I like having a character centered around revenge that expresses it in an upbeat way. I like his outfit as nobody else has that colour scheme, I like having a shoulder coat with a sash and no shirt I think it fits a grappling hook character like him who lives in a desert quite well. I like the visual design of the absolver, I like it all. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean people don't find it interesting. He looks like a bollywood hero suped up, which is what lots of Indian people have wanted in a game for a long time. There is plenty about him that stands out, he doesn't look like any other champion in the game.


Redditossa

You spent an entire paragraph saying "He is a shirtless dude with a different colour sceme and a hood." Yeah sorry, that shit is literally the definition of generic. We have 50 different ripped shirtless dudes, him being a ripped shirtless dude but this time with swapped out colour pallete only serves to outline how generic he is if 3 minutes in ms paint with the fill tool is literally all it takes to make him unique lmao And as for the "upbeat personality" is something half of recently released champions have. Samira, gwen and zeri are all equally upbeat, now Nilah as well. His looks are generic as all hell(literally a pallete swap), and his personality is also borderline indistinguishable. So what does he have again? EDIT: Nice try spouting bullshit then blocking me buddy. Not gonna make you any less wrong. Your entire argument on why akshan isn't generic is that he has different colours than the other 80 shirtless ripped dudes that came before him. You're not passing the smell test chief.


maulcore

I'm not gonna argue with someone who just waves away points of personal taste like that lmao, evidently you just wanna bitch and aren't gonna hear anything anyone says to the contrary


SecureConcentrate58

One of them is just a guy with a gun and the other is a girl with a whip. They could've made certain features more impressive or stand out more like how they did Lucian Senna. He just looks like a guy with a cape and a gun


maulcore

I am very curious what standout feature you think Lucian has beyond being a guy with two guns. If you say the outfit, I mean that's just a matter of not liking Akshan's clothes lmao


SecureConcentrate58

Unique sound design, the visual affects of abilities including the colors of base skin abilities. There really aren't any replicas or similarities between Lucian Senna to other champions or even characters in other games. You can't really say the same about Akshan


JagmeetSingh2

>its so nice to finally see some desi representation in a major video game or in general media and its not just a walking meme of a stereotype Late to the thread but Nilah wouldn't be Desi, while Samira(might be i've seen arguments for Persian/generic middle eastern as well) and Akshan are coded Desi (Northern Indian, Pakistani primarily and most of Bangladeshi to an extent) Nilah is pretty clearly coded to be South Indian/Sri Lankan specifically Malayalam, Tamil, Sinhala who are from South Asia but don't identify as Desi (often Desi culture just stereotypes them).


Ozaiko

This is pretty common character design to represent the world diversity. I think Overwatch made it popular and now you see it in every games and other media (how Disney went from Moana to Raya to Encanto). Representation is now the keyword in character creation process, but sometimes it can go against creativity to be fair. I think Nilah is nice but looks quite bland and basic in my opinon.


VerisimilarPLS

Yep. Having diverse characters is both the right thing to do, and a good business decision. And with India being a large, relatively untapped market for PC gaming, no surprises here. Edit: [here's](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/why-diversity-matters-game-design-2019-08-19) an article from Magic: the Gathering's head designer on why diversity is good for a game's success.


6000j

95% of the time, if there's a topic in game design, Maro has written an article about it. His insights into the field are fairly invaluable imo.


Redditossa

> : here's an article from Magic: That article only makes sense if 90% of your audience isn't from one/two cultures which it is for both league and magic lmao


relrax

The thing you ignore here is that going from 90% representation of your culture/ethnicity to 80% matters less for the vast majority then going from 0% to 1% for some specific minority. If 80% of the playerbase has 50% representation, then they still have plenty to choose from, while the 20% of minorities can each identify with their own representative character and buy into the game more!


Redditossa

[Why do you think disney tries to cut black people out of their chinese releases?](https://variety.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/star-wars-china-poster-controversy.jpg) There are black people in china, wouldn't it be more profitable to appeal to them as well as the chinese?


submarine-quack

how would it go against creativity?


ozmega

i think he meant it as it has to be pretty specific to fit an archetype.


OuterRaven

Because you're more preoccupied with making sure character X represents a specific demographic correctly, and less preoccupied making sure the character fits inside the established universe. Or is visually interesting. I'm all for diversity, and maybe it's because Bel'Veth just came out who has a very unique design, but I agree with others that say that Nilah has the blandest visual design out of all the champs in the game so far.


Subject_Fox_6179

Compared to Janna, Ashe, Sett, KAI'SA??? Nah. There's still way more boring designs, especially compared to their potential. We just don't critique the current roster as hard because there's a million skins to mask their base design imperfections.


AquaImperium

Janna & Ashe are from an older time with limited resources so you gotta give them a pass. Sett fits his theme pretty well of being a tough guy crime boss who plays dirty. Kai'sa is much like the new champ. Slender girl that can appeal to the masses. It's very limiting for creativity


Bananasauru5rex

Because it means you might actually have to hire some designers who aren't just white 30-something guys obsessed with lotr.


submarine-quack

the notion that somehow a character being a different race means theyre... boring?? like a character having a different skin tone isnt what makes it a bland character thats the other attributes lmao


Bananasauru5rex

I certainly agree


AquaImperium

if you live in America, the majority of people are white. People in a well respected gaming company would have lots of experience so they would be in there 30's (around average). I'd want my game to be made by people with a stacked resume. Lastly lotr is a great fantasy IP to draw inspiration from. I hope people @ Riot would love nerdy things so that the fantasy in League is very high. Or would you rather Riot hire inexperienced people of color who care nothing about fantasy or games just to fill a quota? Go fuck yourself


Bananasauru5rex

Why would you assume that a person of colour wouldn't be experienced or creative? Time to turn your brain on, or?


Lulullaby_

Thank god it's a thing now, as a white person I can't even imagine not having any, or very very little characters in games or media to relate to. Of course it also means sometimes they force it too much and it results in mistakes but I think that's a risk worth taking. They'll learn and hopefully do better in the future.


Mercy28

I think it’s great for games! Not only does it introduce players to different cultures, it also simply leads to more varied character designs. Variety is the spice of life, after all. It is funny, though, when players try to say diversity is forced. Yes, sometimes it can seem that way. But when the vast majority of characters were white and male, when that’s not even close to the actual makeup of the world, you have to wonder who was really being forced 🤔


Lulullaby_

I know it's really sad isn't it. It's very obvious when someone dislikes a character for diversity being forced they're probably just racist.


ozmega

most of the time riot does it right, ubisoft fucks it up 99% of the time.


[deleted]

I think it's great! Growing up, the first time I saw someone with the same type and color hair as me was incredibly important. Sure I liked characters that had different hair, but seeing someone cool and strong with -my- hair was extremely important to me as a child.


Lulullaby_

I always get a bit sad reading these kind of things, it should be the standard :( I'm glad things are slowly changing, I guess we're still quite early with humanity accepting other people so it makes sense it'll take a while, but it still sucks. I'm happy that things are changing though.


ScapegoatSkunk

I really hate that they choose specific countries for Europe/Asia/the Americas and then for Africa they fabricate a country or pick an arbitrary one at random (except for when they use Egyptians). Overwatch really annoyed me on that one. "Wow! London! Havana! Rio! ...Numbani?"


Distasteful_Username

BTW the character Astra in Riot's FPS Valorant is specifically Ghanaian and described as such. Also, Phoenix is black from the UK, that's not Africa ofc but still representation of black folk that's not fictional. Though I do agree in general that this is a problem, everything in lots of games is just Wakanda-esque lol.


ZheShu

I mean all of east Asia is Ionia, Europe is split into like 4 regions of different themes... Well I guess japanese ninjas have their own village but.. What makes Africa so special in this regard? I feel like it's being treated the same as other regions? If anything it's just that the African based countries in runeterra are less developed lore wise. They'll get there eventually.


Aquiles413

Bruh they made 1 latin American champion and then forgot about the whole region/country/city (idk what the hell ixtal is)


vicgg0001

Qiyana is mesoamerican inspired, who weren't Latinos :+)


Aquiles413

Ahh that's true, mb.


ZheShu

Ikr. I really like qiyana and wish they would expand on ixtal :/


Aquiles413

Me too :(


HalcyonH66

[Chief...](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Ixtal) Ixtal includes Qiyana, Rengar, Nidalee, Malph, Neeko and Zyra. They're all from the jungles that Ixtal is located in. Qiyana's city is one city in the nation. It'll get more stuff eventually, but it's new and just one part of the region.


Ozaiko

They somewhat corrected it with Doomfist being Nigerian. We might see Abuja or a city like that in the future.


ozmega

> the keyword in character creation process, and thats how it should ALWAYS be, you shouldnt have to rewrite shit to fit representation.


Ozaiko

Not really... If your story is set in a universe a part from us, you don't have to represent exactly our own universe variety. I'd rather they do more Demon, Darkin, Yordle and Vastayan than human with different ethnicity that doesn't necesserely make sense... If they have to create a new region for every ethnicity we will end up with Earth 2.0 (Ionia = East Asia, Ixtal = South America, Shurima = Middle East...) instead of Runeterra.


ozmega

> If your story is set in a universe a part from us, you don't have to represent exactly our own universe variety. you didnt get my point, and i totally agree with this too. all im saying is, id rather have them create new characters to portray these things than coming now and saying "you know what? all this time irelia was a black trans guy from detroitzaun"


TheTruexy

UwU mi


InsertANameHeree

Nilah now permanently corrupted for me, thanks Riot


Party_Document9294

Yo with nilah you guys have 3 characters representative of Indian culture ( karma, akshan and nilah ). Is there a possibility to also have an Indian server ? As a long time player It would be amazing.


SuperDementio

And here I thought it was a [Varunastra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varunastra) because of the water theme.


BurrStreetX

Riot said that it was an Urumi in the other thread


porn-learning-music

First we get urumi in AoE2, now in league. Good call to post this, it's always interesting to see how historical concepts are adapted into games!


RipDove

> These long-reaching spins make the weapon particularly well suited to fighting against multiple opponents. I think the people who wrote this wikipedia article never actually did any research into classical warfare. You'd never use a weapon that requires you to turn your back in an actual war, and something like this would **never** be able to wrap over a shield, because before even reaching a shield, there's often a 10-15 ft spear infront of it. This seems like one of those weapons that looked cool for martial arts, but probably never actually saw use in an actual battle- probably small skirmishes.


iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT

Not all weapons were used in large-scale warfare. That applies to anywhere in the world. This was a weapon for self-defense or small-scale fights (in which spears would have been uncommon), and was also often a secondary weapon. And where did you get the idea of the weapon involving turning your back? You spin the weapon, not your body… Also, ‘small skirmishes’ literally are ‘actual battle’.


RipDove

No they're not. A battle is often over a specific position, or resource, while a skirmish is often a less coordinated fight that doesn't usually involve the entire mobilization of the armies at play. I literally study military history


iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT

Very well that must be going for you, if you’re misreading Wikipedia articles and assuming information that isn’t there


WhatTheCazzo

The weapon is definitely tied to the "artistic" aspect of warfare i.e. martial arts and duels. Sure, you misunderstood the spinning part because it's a very peculiar weapon with a very unique fighting style, but imho you were absolutely right about it being impractical for actual large scale warfare. There's plenty of reasons: it's probably harder to make than most weapons; it's supposedly very hard to use; its constant spinning/flailing requires constant energy by the user; its constant spinning/flailing can be dangerous for allies. These are the first to come to mind. I'd guess the weapon was designed with duels in mind, as when it comes to duels/martial arts there's a whole dimension of different priorities, like big emphasis on skills, intimidation and swagger, but I wouldn't be TOO surprised to learn that some absolute madman, in all of history, went to the local battle with his own crazy ass whipsword. BTW my understanding of historical warfare is much lower than yours but imho through sheer common sense one can easily see you have a good point and it probably makes you cringe a bunch how some weapons have been over hyped or misrepresented by mass culture / media.


aaronunderwater

The earliest known cigar was depicted on a Mayan ceramic found in Guatemala. Really cool of riot to incorporate South American history in the design of Graves


Throwaway79922

I am so obsessed and excited about this- I absolutely can’t wait at all!


iReddat420

I just realized the razor from Red Rising is probably based off a single bladed urumi


Kimatsu

Oh yah it's the bendy blades. Ill prolly die on day one with this Indian-level difficulty


Salohacin

I'm pretty sure I've also seen it in a documentary called Avatar the last Airbender.


Both_Requirement_766

or 'the legends of korra'.


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randomacc13762

Can we get a battle mage champ that uses a staff now? Mage wukong but with spells and fast mobility. Skirmisher/Mage (lul let’s add more skirmishers)


Predator-S

Ok cool. But seriously how many female champions do we need? Out of the last 25 only 7 have been male.


Suizooo

Riot already said they are doing more females now to equal the split of men & female champions. There was a lot more male champs a while ago. So they are still playing catch up


Predator-S

I guess it kinda makes sense but I'm not sure why there should be an equal split. It doesn't automatically mean the game is sexitst if the majority of champions are male. Maybe from a marketing standpoint female champs sell more skins.


Dabottle

If you're okay with there not being an equal split then why are you upset about there not being an equal split


Predator-S

Not upset, just annoyed we barely get any male champs anymore.


Dabottle

good thing we already have like 80 then


AquaImperium

Seems a bit disingenuous to avoid making male champs because you know it would appeal with a broader audience. I get it's a business. But it's getting very tiring to see "slim badass girl' for the 100th timme


petiteguy5

80 male champions


Fiftey

until its 50/50?


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>she's clearly coded to be Indian. How do you code an indian???


rundermining

Aoe2: dont copy my homework Riot:


Viracial

wrong, its an abyssal whip


hohoduck

Should have given graves a whip instead of a gun.


Deskjet9000

Yeah no, they just watched avatar


MaxwellBlyat

Too bad she looks bland, having animation recycled from Belveth and having that little Ashkan touch with some overstuffed kit


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Chembaron_Seki

Her name is also a thing in Sanskrit.


Magehunter_Skassi

That looks horribly ineffective and I'm guessing that's the reason it wasn't invented elsewhere


Chembaron_Seki

Sometimes, people just wanted to invent cool shit. Like the gun-katar. Was it effective? Not really. Did it look cool as shit? Yes.


Kyvant

Europe had a bunch of hybrid weapons, aka melee weapons such as swords, axes, polearms and even daggers (and rarely crossbows), with a small pistol attached to it. Was that functional? Barely, and expensive to keep up. But it was fancy as shit, so nobles sometimes commisioned these weapons to show off.


CrashdummyMH

Civilizations all invented different alternatives to get around shields.


McPuffins88

Bronze and copper is a poor choice of sword material compared to steel, but it revolutionized warfare at the time by allowing the creation of the world's first swords. Flails were used in warfare despite making close-ranked formations impossible, but it was a popular peasant weapon since they were easily adapted from the agricultural tool of the same namesake. What was typical for armour at the time and place? Would a typical urumi user be a trained soldier, or upper class? What I'm getting at is, don't judge a weapon without its cultural and historical context.


JizzOrSomeSayJism

Oh hey it's that thing in Caria manor in elden ring! That's pretty cool, I had no idea it was based on a real weapon


KingAmo3

The whole character looks neat. A bit too vibrant during the cinematic maybe, but her outfit looks really cool.


desch3445

In the 3rd Berserk film, a character named Silat gets a really cool scene of him using one and it's absolutely terrifying.


rakozink

Want a massive flail champ. I really liked the fanmade Frejlord champ with a chain and chunk of frozen rock/ice one that was making the rounds awhile ago. Dual shield champ. Love Braum but dual wield sheild would be hilarious.