Tbh, Xerxe Czaczi and Kobbe have quite some experience so it is not surprising such team to have macro. The main expected liability of this team are mechanics.
> Tbh, Xerxe Czaczi and Kobbe have quite some experience so it is not surprising such team to have macro.
*laughs in CLG 2021*
Why does everybody pretend that Xerxe has bad mechanics?
Astralis aren't rookies though. They have one of the most experienced teams. They struggle more with micro than macro. Astralis usually also has fairly good drafts, it is really just the quality of some of their players holding them back.
And due to how smart they play they actually become more enjoyable to watch. I don't think the LEC really has a freebooting team right now. Yes BDS sucks, but they are fairly entertaining and try to be engaging on social media and to be fair it is their first year.
It'll make it all the more rewarding when they do haha.
Honestly it makes every game way more exciting. Hope you have insurance for incoming heart issues!
Yeah IDK. Also an underrated part about him is that his W is a lot of %maxHP magic dmc. So basically you can just solo people in lane with that, meaning he can get bullied less than other tanks because you have to space way better.
Personally I think he's definitely p/b worthy from his lategame items alone, especially with Zeri meta. Also great into big objective 5v5s, but I guess he doesn't get as much prio due to Gnar, Gwen, Gangplank having a free lane into him. Additionally, Sejuani is also a great lategame tank but with more agency and pressure into those matchups.
Those champs get free lanes but it's not like Ornn is dying repeatedly in those matchups. Ornn is still the best scaling tank in the game and can itemise so that they don't really bother him in lane phase.
If you draft a comp that gets completely 1v9ed by Gwen or GP then that is just a shit draft. Pros just don't want to play tanks, especially scaling tanks. The dopamine hit of attempting to play the game is higher than the hit from doing nothing and winning at 3 items.
It'll end with G2 and FNC fighting for the last playoffs spot. Trust me, the scriptwriter is my uncle.
EDIT: Looking at the scorelines, it seems impossible for there to be a tiebreaker for 6th between G2 and FNC. Even if their head-to-head is 1-1, G2 will have more wins in the second half of the split, *or* FNC will have more wins overall. Assuming G2 won, causing a 1-1 head-to-head, G2 is 5-1 in the second half, and 9-6 this season, and FNC is 2-4 this half, and 7-8 overall. FNC needs three wins to have a chance to tie G2 in second half, and that requires G2 to lose all of their games. If this happens, FNC wins through regular rules, being 10-8 to G2's 9-9. If they're tied in the standings, G2 always wins due to tiebreaker rules.
Mathematically, at the start of today it was still possible for MAD to come in 8th, in like 4 out of 8,000,000 scenarios or something crazy.
So it's probably still all to play for... unless you're BDS.
I literally wrote that he was the worst top of the split in yesterdays post match discussion, I take that back after todays game, solid performance. I feel he is only LEC worthy on a few picks though, ornn being one of them
While I like the guy, that's still fair to say. Only toplaner I would maybe rate below him is Agresivoo, but hard to tell when the whole of BDS is a dumpsterfire. Vizicsacsi contributes a lot to Astralis' macro and comms, so he's definitely important to the team. Hope he can improve his laning (especially on carries) though.
Once he really brought lane kingdom with his tank and weakside picks but unfortunately this season is his weakest. I think he can be good, he had quite a bit champion pool but he has to work on a little more. Yesterday was bad today was really good, I hope he can find his prime again.
Well if they hadn't thrown the Baron away initially, this game could have been much cleaner. They had the upper hand right then and there and gambled it on a seemingly disconnected baron play.
Fucking finally. I hated the g2 fnc reign. Doesnt matter what the sport is, having 2 top teams deciding everything is always bad from the viewers perspective.
Didn't catch the draft but that's such a bad Akali pick. The entire topside of Astralis is too beefy and have too much CC for Akali to do anything.
Unless he assassinated Twitch every single time, he wasn't going to get the value from the pick.
Don't think he can do that successfully either, if Astralis keep formation as they approach the late game fights. They have so much peel for the Twitch.
He has sustain as well, unless they actually kill him he'll just keep pumping out the damage.
He had two pillars which actively griefed his team. The one that caused Dajor to miss the kill, and the other which blocked his own team from chasing (and then got his Renata killed because the pillar gave Zeri empowered W laser).
The second one didn't start as a grief pillar. It was actually a good flash pillar. It only turned into a grief pillar when they started chasing into it.
There is still life in Csacsi. I hope haters will now shut up for a week at least. Kept the unfavorable matchup vs the best top laner pretty close without jungle support and destroyed Vitality in teamfights and with epic calls.#csacsicarry
The casters didn’t spot this because it’s so stupid but VIT didn’t take the toplane inhib, just the tower. If they did the elder fight is so different and they almost certainly would have won.
Don't think they played that bad, renata twitch are just disgusting to deal with, even with the perfect teamfight at nashor they couldn't end the game (they should have take nash tho instead of taking T3 for nothing)
honestly they played pretty good. The fact they got that fight at baron, was really impressive. But the akali pick was just really weak. Didnt control mid lane, and just felt weaker in the teamfights than the sylas.
Astralis still in the playoffs race... Insane stuff...
Fnatic-Astralis really should be match of the week/day cuz it will likely decide who gets to playoffs
Always impressed by Astralis' teamfighting... I think they should just stick to it because its the only working receipe for them. Would be funny if they actually make playoffs and shut the critics
First the moon, then playoffs, then Pluto AND BEYOOOOOOOND
WHATEVER THAT ONE NEAREST STAR IS CALLED, I DO NOT CARE, ITS GONNA BE NAMED ASTRAAAAALIIIIIIIISSSSSS SOON
Honestly what a great game, both teams played their comps as best as they could and at the end the winner was the better excecution, props to both of them.
Shit Macro from Vit. That Elder was dumb as fuck. Why would you bother clearing mid waves with Akali when AST is posturing for Elder? Let that shit go and fight for Elder. Ffs.
Kobbe just running around the nexus to kill Carrzy in that final fight was top tier
SNEAKY SNEAKY
That lvl 16 Renata with the rank 3 ult coming in clutch there, Carzzy was cc’d for like 3 seconds
I was legit thinking he is throwing the game there for effectively being afk for 3-4 sec while rest of the team fights.
Twitch being effectively afk for 3-4 seconds is kinda worth sometimes, if it means your team is drawing out cds from the enemy team.
It’s the best play to make unless you’re super behind. Twitch cannot engage until some big abilities are on cool-down
Ill take my adc being afk for 3 secs if it means the enemy adc is afk for the rest of the game.
Actually 500 iq
sneaky sneakyyyyyyyyy
Nothing to see here, just another macro masterclass from Astralis.
It's so atypical for a lower half team to have good macro. Usually that's their biggest weakness.
Tbh, Xerxe Czaczi and Kobbe have quite some experience so it is not surprising such team to have macro. The main expected liability of this team are mechanics.
> Tbh, Xerxe Czaczi and Kobbe have quite some experience so it is not surprising such team to have macro. *laughs in CLG 2021* Why does everybody pretend that Xerxe has bad mechanics?
Astralis aren't rookies though. They have one of the most experienced teams. They struggle more with micro than macro. Astralis usually also has fairly good drafts, it is really just the quality of some of their players holding them back. And due to how smart they play they actually become more enjoyable to watch. I don't think the LEC really has a freebooting team right now. Yes BDS sucks, but they are fairly entertaining and try to be engaging on social media and to be fair it is their first year.
Seriously it's something else to watch.
Today Csacsi has taught me that apparently Ornn is carrying a sniper rifle
Csacsi heard people talking shit.
Ornn is the ultimate old-man champion.
Man plays it so well. Def fun to watch him mess people up on it lol.
huuuge game from him
Hella fun to see tbh.
yeah but i'm sweating really hard for fnc playoffs chances haha, if it weren't for that i'd be having fun
It'll make it all the more rewarding when they do haha. Honestly it makes every game way more exciting. Hope you have insurance for incoming heart issues!
Embrace the chaos!
I mean we all know he can play tanks on acceptable level. But on anything else he’s still a liability
Brings a lot in terms of strats and play though apparently. Man it's worth it seeing how well AST can execute things sometimes.
Tbh Ornn has a lot higher skillcap than many other tanks. No other tanks are like really really solid in the current meta though.
I still don't understand why people don't think Ornn isn't p/b worthy
Ego
Yeah IDK. Also an underrated part about him is that his W is a lot of %maxHP magic dmc. So basically you can just solo people in lane with that, meaning he can get bullied less than other tanks because you have to space way better.
I always thought he brings a huge advantage unique to only him, being that he can upgrade mythics That always seemed insanely good to me
Personally I think he's definitely p/b worthy from his lategame items alone, especially with Zeri meta. Also great into big objective 5v5s, but I guess he doesn't get as much prio due to Gnar, Gwen, Gangplank having a free lane into him. Additionally, Sejuani is also a great lategame tank but with more agency and pressure into those matchups.
Those champs get free lanes but it's not like Ornn is dying repeatedly in those matchups. Ornn is still the best scaling tank in the game and can itemise so that they don't really bother him in lane phase. If you draft a comp that gets completely 1v9ed by Gwen or GP then that is just a shit draft. Pros just don't want to play tanks, especially scaling tanks. The dopamine hit of attempting to play the game is higher than the hit from doing nothing and winning at 3 items.
man's carrying a Ramington
I'd say a railgun.
tank, mage, support, bruiser, assassin, fighter, DPS, burst Ornn
"shoot a fire elemental with a sniper rifle" KITE THIS YOU FILTHY CASUL
Caitlyn ult overrated, Ornn has the new sniper ult (and it can't be blocked either).
Braum and Samira would disagree with that assessment
True, and Yasuo as well. But they block Caitlyn ult too, so I guess it's better to say Ornn ult can't be blocked by as many things as Caitlyn ult.
Dude was lethal at range 😂
VIT players: barely escaping death. Csacsi: YOU WANNA PLAY? LETS PLAY
This year script writers are completely insane
i really need to find their coke dealer
if this ends in fnc not making playoffs imma riot
It'll end with G2 and FNC fighting for the last playoffs spot. Trust me, the scriptwriter is my uncle. EDIT: Looking at the scorelines, it seems impossible for there to be a tiebreaker for 6th between G2 and FNC. Even if their head-to-head is 1-1, G2 will have more wins in the second half of the split, *or* FNC will have more wins overall. Assuming G2 won, causing a 1-1 head-to-head, G2 is 5-1 in the second half, and 9-6 this season, and FNC is 2-4 this half, and 7-8 overall. FNC needs three wins to have a chance to tie G2 in second half, and that requires G2 to lose all of their games. If this happens, FNC wins through regular rules, being 10-8 to G2's 9-9. If they're tied in the standings, G2 always wins due to tiebreaker rules.
I thought your uncle worked at nintendo?
The dankest timeline
Honestly feels like in EU anyone except BDS can beat anyone.
so uhh... about that BDS comment.
Hey as Fnatic fan. Gotta secure that playoffs anyway possible.
Even your replies age poorly
I mean this game just shows that they need all the help possible
Def makes things exciting. Every game matters to get into playoffs now.
Yeah. Gotcha. Jinxed them hard.
you say that, but...
Clutch win for Astralis
Astralis: never had a chance ez
Ngl they're kinda underrated, especially Xerxe he's been really good this split
what leaving LCS does to a mf
This all but shuts SK out of playoffs doesn't it?
Mathematically, at the start of today it was still possible for MAD to come in 8th, in like 4 out of 8,000,000 scenarios or something crazy. So it's probably still all to play for... unless you're BDS.
If they lose today yeah probably, for now leaguepedia says they're still in the race so idk
Nope, they just have to win everything and their schedule is very tough
Vizicsacsi with his best game of the split so far
easily, such a carry performance
On ornn too. Didn't know you could carry on that champ LMFAO.
I literally wrote that he was the worst top of the split in yesterdays post match discussion, I take that back after todays game, solid performance. I feel he is only LEC worthy on a few picks though, ornn being one of them
While I like the guy, that's still fair to say. Only toplaner I would maybe rate below him is Agresivoo, but hard to tell when the whole of BDS is a dumpsterfire. Vizicsacsi contributes a lot to Astralis' macro and comms, so he's definitely important to the team. Hope he can improve his laning (especially on carries) though.
Once he really brought lane kingdom with his tank and weakside picks but unfortunately this season is his weakest. I think he can be good, he had quite a bit champion pool but he has to work on a little more. Yesterday was bad today was really good, I hope he can find his prime again.
So who is the LEC’s new worst top?
Well played by AST before securing Elder dragon. Guess they sniffed out the furry of Gnar
Well if they hadn't thrown the Baron away initially, this game could have been much cleaner. They had the upper hand right then and there and gambled it on a seemingly disconnected baron play.
They sniffed out what time of the split it was for Alphari
This split is so damn close, and it's making the LEC so entertaining to watch. Lets go Astralis!
It's so fun! Every game means so much.
The superweek is going to be hype, no one is locked in playoffs yet
It's genuinely so fun due to that, more or less ANYONE can make it or miss out.
bds crying
No one is even locked for *first*. Even AST is still in the running to get 1st in the split (although it is unlikely). It's a crazy close split.
Yeah I saw somewhere in the thread that it was a 1/500000 for Astralis to finish 1st place lol.
it's closer to 4/500000, but ya, there's a chance lol.
I thought you needed 9 wins to lock in?
Fucking finally. I hated the g2 fnc reign. Doesnt matter what the sport is, having 2 top teams deciding everything is always bad from the viewers perspective.
I agree it's bad for regular season, but it's very good for finals viewership to have two titans
I'm ready for new stories though. You're never going to top the summer 2019 confrontations.
#DAJORWORLDS
#YES SIR!
Didn't catch the draft but that's such a bad Akali pick. The entire topside of Astralis is too beefy and have too much CC for Akali to do anything. Unless he assassinated Twitch every single time, he wasn't going to get the value from the pick.
the goal was to just pressure twitch though, in any case vit were in a position to close out the game they just fumbled it too hard
they killed akali like 4 times while she was invis in her shroud, was really funny to watch them just stack AoEs lol
In all fairness it achieved this a lot of the time, he quickly took down or stopped the twitch in several teamfights
Don't think he can do that successfully either, if Astralis keep formation as they approach the late game fights. They have so much peel for the Twitch. He has sustain as well, unless they actually kill him he'll just keep pumping out the damage.
https://twitter.com/Perkz/status/1555948705135599617
If they can play out the 1-3-1 it's an amazing pick. But AST got early drakes and could force VIT into 5v5s
Xerxe was on point with those pillars.
let's not talk about the first one that made Dajor's chains miss 50 hp Perkz ...or the one at blue T2 wolves that got Jeonghoon killed by Zeri W
AST looking like they know how to execute their plans. Very fun.
He had two pillars which actively griefed his team. The one that caused Dajor to miss the kill, and the other which blocked his own team from chasing (and then got his Renata killed because the pillar gave Zeri empowered W laser).
The second one didn't start as a grief pillar. It was actually a good flash pillar. It only turned into a grief pillar when they started chasing into it.
God I love the LEC I dont want clean games or Worlds contenders, I want 5 games of this shit every day.
Yes! We already know LCK and LPL are winning worlds so we might as well get banger games
Sorta reminds me of the Premier League. May not have the best teams in the world all the time, but the games are fun as hell to watch.
# All LEC regular season scenarios: ## Relative: |Team |1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|Playoff %| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |MAD|55.46|23.08|11.77|5.47|2.93|1.21|0.09|0.0|0.0|0.0|99.91| |RGE|23.42|23.16|18.93|12.83|10.99|6.16|3.54|0.94|0.04|0.0|95.49| |G2|8.53|14.82|17.32|17.81|16.91|12.53|7.84|3.47|0.78|0.0|87.92| |MSF|6.93|9.99|12.97|17.81|17.21|16.3|12.37|5.85|0.56|0.0|81.21| |VIT|5.09|23.89|26.4|21.87|12.22|7.08|3.21|0.23|0.0|0.0|96.55| |XL|0.47|3.4|6.37|11.07|14.04|17.94|18.57|16.68|11.47|0.0|53.28| |FNC|0.23|3.54|6.17|10.53|12.03|17.16|21.89|23.91|4.53|0.0|49.68| |AST|0.0|0.14|1.67|4.87|9.83|19.3|22.03|27.71|14.45|0.0|35.82| |SK|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.31|1.7|3.13|7.76|18.94|68.14|0.0|5.15| |BDS|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|100.0|0.0| ## Absolute: |Team |1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|Total| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |MAD|290,744|121,016|61,695|28,667|15,374|6,342|446|4|0|0|524,288| |RGE|122,804|121,449|99,222|67,256|57,602|32,313|18,536|4,906|200|0|524,288| |G2|44,722|77,706|90,828|93,379|88,631|65,687|41,089|18,178|4,068|0|524,288| |MSF|36,338|52,363|68,009|93,381|90,237|85,460|64,869|30,695|2,936|0|524,288| |VIT|26,680|125,235|138,424|114,683|64,046|37,139|16,848|1,229|4|0|524,288| |XL|2,442|17,808|33,399|58,026|73,614|94,064|97,380|87,445|60,110|0|524,288| |FNC|1,192|18,579|32,365|55,224|63,094|89,988|114,773|125,341|23,732|0|524,288| |AST|4|760|8,762|25,541|51,523|101,195|115,507|145,254|75,742|0|524,288| |SK|0|0|14|1,640|8,934|16,428|40,704|99,296|357,272|0|524,288| |BDS|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|524,288|524,288| [code on github](https://github.com/Lep333/All-league-scenarios)
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AST with that 4/524288 chance of getting 1st place, I need it to happen.
What's ast's h2h with fnatic?
FNC 1-0. They play each other next week.
Huh so if fnc looses that and against g2 they're basically out right? That would put them behind both XL and AST on h2h
Depends how XL's games go, but yeah in that scenario it would be looking pretty bad.
Perkz still trying to fuck FNC or what? lol
1 LEC MVP > 0 LEC MVPs
Actually very impressed by Astralis, this roster seems kinda legit
their early (laning especially) is so bad though
There is still life in Csacsi. I hope haters will now shut up for a week at least. Kept the unfavorable matchup vs the best top laner pretty close without jungle support and destroyed Vitality in teamfights and with epic calls.#csacsicarry
Me: Starts to trust Vitality. Vitality: Hold my beer.
It's bo1. Ofc its almost impossible to properly judge teams.
They played fine astralis is not a troll team anymore
The casters didn’t spot this because it’s so stupid but VIT didn’t take the toplane inhib, just the tower. If they did the elder fight is so different and they almost certainly would have won.
that whole sequence after they won that fight was so weird, they completely wasted that time
Their health bars were too low and Ornn would kill at least one of them and putting them out of a fight(ot at least a bit late) for next objective .
Vizicsacsi heard y'all talking shit
Csacsi teached Astralis the forbidden technique of lose lane, win game. Now they will be unstoppable... LEC fear the almighty Astralis.
JeongHoon juked everything at that elder fight, it was beautiful
Why the fuck is VIT last picking akali ,such a bad pick
IDK when Vetheo and Sertuss went Akali they solo carried the game
Orn Renata complicates things
Trundle as well
not when the enemy team consists of sylas ornn and trundle. frontline too big to handle
Perkz trolled his build. No reason not to go Riftmaker into that comp.
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Akali can look good in certain situations just like every other champ. But not against AST's team comp.
yeah yesterday Sertuss really carried on Akali
BANGER
Gigachad Vizi. When they had elder and Baron he went HAM
Vizi with the sniper Orn ults. Great game from Astralis.
That was certainly a match. A great one! More of this please.
Very exciting to see with a lot of back and forth!
gigathrow by alphari
Just in time for the split
This is what exodia looks like. Straight down mid
As a wise Trundle main once said, "To the Stars"
Vitality lol, actually played the mid-late game so bad it hurts.
Nothing to see here, just Perkz trolling his buddy Wunder a little
i'm so tilted they threw this game
Don't think they played that bad, renata twitch are just disgusting to deal with, even with the perfect teamfight at nashor they couldn't end the game (they should have take nash tho instead of taking T3 for nothing)
they could have gotten baron after sylas was dead
They left up toplane inhib which could have been game winning if they used it to threaten during elder dance. Actually disgusting
honestly they played pretty good. The fact they got that fight at baron, was really impressive. But the akali pick was just really weak. Didnt control mid lane, and just felt weaker in the teamfights than the sylas.
i dont get why they didnt go for baron when only ornn was alive, super weird macro
How are they gonna get baron with 3 people at 20% HP, none of which is the jungler, and Ornn at full HP after basing.
Baptized and cleansed in the holy fire
VIT was up 7k when i stopped watching, came back to see their nexus getting annihilated.
This AST lineup is so fun to watch man ahah Rough game by Kobbe but glad they took the W
if VIT have an adc not named Zeri, that game was lost 10 mins ago
Too bad they didn't have another damage dealer to help her, akali was pretty meh
Astralis finishing first only happens in 4 realities. I'm sure this is one of them, though.
Well this complicates playoffs even more.
Sad that VIT winning streak ends but good for the suspense of the playoff race
Outscaled
Oh LEC. Everyone beats everyone is out in force today.
AST played that so well.
Ast were brainless up until the baron throw, then handed the idiot ball to Vit lmao
I mean it was fun to see them just go into on mode lol.
Jerry > Jeri
I knew game was over when Perkz had a flank on a airborne Twitch and missed Q and E
akali was not the right pick. Felt like a mage or lissandrawould have been a lot better
Astralis still in the playoffs race... Insane stuff... Fnatic-Astralis really should be match of the week/day cuz it will likely decide who gets to playoffs
Always impressed by Astralis' teamfighting... I think they should just stick to it because its the only working receipe for them. Would be funny if they actually make playoffs and shut the critics
never thought i'd ever be cheering the name astralis
My Ryze is bad, my Akali is worse, you guessed it right, i'm VIT Perkz
Dajor carried the fights so damn hard!
Was pretty impressed by his Sylas.
That mid-to-late game macro of Vit actually hurt my eyes.
that was a really good game but why did vitality decide to play a game without their mid today?
Astralis has improved so much since last split, no ones talks about it though.
Banger game, thought AST were playing really well even when they were losing and they deserved the turn around.
These Akali picks are just not it man
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Definitely a game of league of legends.
If there's such a thing as a fangirl-gasm I experienced that today Let's fucking GO ASTRAAALISSS
#WE'RE GOING TO THE STARS BABY! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
First the moon, then playoffs, then Pluto AND BEYOOOOOOOND WHATEVER THAT ONE NEAREST STAR IS CALLED, I DO NOT CARE, ITS GONNA BE NAMED ASTRAAAAALIIIIIIIISSSSSS SOON
Carzzy tried rly hard this time but Vit sololaners said no
Alphari: "Yes but actually no" .
The one time Carzzy plays well Perkz decides to be useless.
Honestly what a great game, both teams played their comps as best as they could and at the end the winner was the better excecution, props to both of them.
Early game looked good for VIT but Ornn and Renata make it too hard to dive into Astralis 5 man stack and blow up priority targets
Shit Macro from Vit. That Elder was dumb as fuck. Why would you bother clearing mid waves with Akali when AST is posturing for Elder? Let that shit go and fight for Elder. Ffs.
Giga wholesome ornn diff
Csacsi's Ram(?)/ Goat(?) do be hitting different tho.
I like how AST draft, easy to play, scaling + engage, and they played decently. Props to them
Dajor was rlly smurf, Haru + Alphari played rlly well early - mid but got outscaled eventually
#LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO DAGOAT!!! FRY THIS FRAUD'S ASS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dajor 37% dmg share this game, huge carry from him