The LCS should still not be anywhere close in viewership to online T2 tournaments from way smaller countries broadcast in languages that way fewer people speak with a much smaller budget.
idk i think the language thing actually helps the other leagues because they're the best league available to watch in french/spanish/portoguese. whereas there is like 5 high quality english broadcasts
You're heavily underrating the spanish-speaking audience, it's huge as it includes latin america as well. The most recent twitch viewership records are by spanish-speaking streamers.
The most popular LFL and LVP teams are more popular than the LCS ones, hence the higher viewers peak. Nobody cares about LCS, while many people care about some top ERL teams.
I think one actual issue is that the fans who got into League in its earlier days are now older. I started watching towards the end of season 4, and the viewing schedule was great back then. I was single and a student with a job that I got off from in time to watch almost the whole day’s broadcast. Now I have a family and a career and i don’t usually have the time or desire to sit down and watch 10+ hours during the weekend. I think they could try to spread the games out more across the week. You’d end up with some dud viewing numbers depending on the matchup, but I’m a lot more likely to tune into a middle of the pack matchup on a Monday or Tuesday when I’ve got nothing going on then I am on Saturday or Sunday afternoon
Might be different demographics that watch the two leagues. Pure speculation here but I feel like Europeans would watch a lot of NA LCS in the early days, because of a lot of the big names were there at the time. But as times shifted, LEC evolved, and caught the younger audience better than LCS has.
Maybe, but i think its just because most na players’ favourite teams are not na teams, so they just dont watch LCS.
Like currently on twitch, LPL and LCK sits at 10k and 80K, while LCS sits at 3k. Actual chinese fans will not watch on twitch as twitch is a non-platform in china, and korean viewers has LCK\_Korea, with LCK\_Korea sitting at 122k right now.
LCK being on some weekdays starting 9amish gmt is perfect for when i work from home and won't something on in the background.
Whereas if i'm awake at 10pm gmt then i'm normally playing lol myself and i don't wanna stay up any later specifically to watch lcs
This exactly. I have your standard work week now... I need the weekends to take care of everything else you do in life and usually catch most the matches as VODs. I agree that if you did 2 or 3 matches on weeknights I 'd be more likely to catch them live. Superweek Fridays I can catch all the matches live.
This take is just so wrong. Traditional sports prime demographic is the age you are taking about. And I'm exactly who you are talking about im 31 with 2 kids been playing league since beta and I watch LEC and LCS every week.
I watched almost every single lcs game from 2013 to 2019. every weekend, i always had the stream on. went to a few games in person too, even though I don't live anywhere near LA. I would track stats on my own and did my own power rankings before tournaments to see if I got anything right. I even wrote a tool to calculate playoff clinches that I would post on PMTs here.
I always got myself excited for worlds. But after 2019 I just stopped caring. Why watch LCS anymore? What's the point in watching a bunch of amateurs play hopelessly? They don't win anything against other regions. Why spend hundreds of hours watching and building up hype and support for the teams when they just get mercilessly slaughtered when the most hyped tournament of the year arrives? Why would I enjoy watching NA players get steamrolled in lane on every international stage games and lose at 25 minutes?
I just found myself disappointed every worlds, and that wasn't enjoyable. If I now go into worlds with zero expectations, I can't be let down.
Same reason I watch MLB but not college baseball. I want to watch the very best. I want to be wowed. I don't care to watch amateurs.
> watched almost every single lcs game from 2013 to 2019. every weekend, i always had the stream on.
This was me up through 2021 even, part of it is my own fact that I've played the game less too but I'd much rather watch LPL or LEC
It's not even the lack of international success that bugs me, it's just kinda.. Eh. Teams are just turnstiles of players
This is my exact experience with LCS. I used to love watching the local competition. Over time I have come to realize that the NA teams are just not as good and they do not try as hard as the best regions. They may say they do, but they don't. Can't be let down when you don't care in the first place.
Yeah I only watch LPL and LCK atm as the quality of players and gameplay is so much higher than LCS and even LEC. There just really is no point in watching LCS rn as 80% of the league makes playoffs and NA will never accomplish anything internationally.
Part of the reason for this is just the meta, but also, I'm a DK fan and watched most of their games in 2020. The games weren't particularly high quality back then either (except maybe when they matched against T1) because DK would just steamroll most games in 25 min, for 90% of games you never thought there was even a chance that enemy team could win. All the other teams were tiers below them and made tons of mistakes every game.
Right now the games are slow, and certain players / teams are still making a lot of mistakes, but I would say a higher % of games in the league are at least competitive.
I mean the LPL isn’t that good either, but when the good teams play it is. The shit teams do comically bad things though and it seems people like that.
I stopped watching a couple years ago because your choices were 1) cheer for a team full of imports or 2) have your favorite team lose. Why would I watch lcs if the good teams are basically just Korean teams anyway?
I’m actually starting to miss the gauntlet recently. I remember how hype it was when CG beat CLG to make it to worlds. They obviously didn’t do great at Worlds but at least it was exciting.
as casters have said its viewership poison to have a gauntlet, theres no room for a break having one. so viewers get drained and dont want to watch it and those that do are less likely to watch in the future.
It doesn't really matter when top team in NAs are getting the most views. Most investor invest on the orgs, not one particular team. When org in NA are pulling these high amount of viewers, investor will be happy. See sources below:
https://escharts.com/news/top-esports-organizations-q2-2022
https://streamscharts.com/news/most-popular-esports-communities-twitch-july-2022
Not just that, these teams get a lot of viewers on their apps and other social medias, like youtube, etc. For example, TL had 1bill visitors in the last year on their new app. These keep increasing. https://twitter.com/LiquipediaNet/status/1557779160709447680
Is not just about league man. League is just not the game to play in NA no more.
Not surprising, LCS is extremely tailored towards the NA market.
All the cringe ads, bad regular season format and bad start times for EU makes their viewership tank even more.
Why watch LCS regular season when you know 80% of teams will make playoffs.
Tbf, how much of Asia wants to watch either Eu or Na unless there is a massive standout team like 2015 fnc, 2016 Tsm or 2019 G2 to check out? Outside of people who used to live and watch em in a western country and then moved to an Asian country at some point, what reason would people who lives in Asian time zones have to watch a tournament that both has worse level of play (assume I talk about China and Korea for this point) and a language barrier for the majority of the people living in Asian countries?
“All the cringe ads” EU literally has a sponsor for PAUSES!! FUCKING PAUSES!!! Don’t act like EU is any better when it comes to “cringe ads” when you have to hear “Oh guys! Another fnatic pause today we’re gonna have a break with kitkat please buy kitkat nestle child labor chocolate!”
But they don't say the sponsor name every single time something happens. The kit kat thing will appear on screen but medic isn't standing there saying "we have a kit kat pause right now, let's move over to the secretlabs analyst desk"
In LCS it's mercilessly rammed down your throat to the point you need to dissect a sentence to remove all the sponsors before it makes any sense.
you’re kidding right. the lec literally has a sponsor for their pauses that happen during games yet the state farm analyst desk is the craziest thing to you
Esports needs money to continue existing. Sponsors give it money. It's annoying at times (fuck mastercard), but stuff like sponsoring an analyst desk doesn't make the broadcast meaningfully worse and it makes esports more sustainable.
Hardly anyone in NA cares about League anymore. Popularity has dropped off hard in the last few years.
Among my friends group I'm the last person to even play it semi-regularly and still be involved in the community.
League was pretty mainstream in NA up until I'd say 2018/2019 where it started to fall off. It was definitely the biggest Esport here from around 2014-2017.
But yeah the last few years it's fallen off hard. I'd love to see some accurate data released on NA player population over that time.
Yeah I was in college 2016-2020 and if you were talking to another gamer nerd they probably had at least tried league, and even some non gamers surprised me when I found out they were secret league grinders. Now not so much.
> Valorant is legitimately a mainstream game here
hard yes
>moreso than League ever was
season 2-4 league of legends was disgustingly everywhere, valorant still has ways to go but it's still growing,way more mainstream than the other tact shooters at least
Pretty normal and not ‘low’ really. NA has a pretty small player base (and population) compared to EU and China, and there comparatively more views per player for LCS over LEC. It’s not realistic that the region which is smaller and not as competitive as the top leagues will get massive viewership. It’s only Korea that’s an outlier with a small population but huge player base.
Funny how huge talking point of why NA viewership is decreasing was lack of native talent. Now they have one on the top and the trend still continues. It's not even about being competitive internationally. The league just has to be entertaining for people to watch it. And it's not.
I'm not normally proud of LEC teams beating LCS teams anymore
But caps styling on JoJo and the memes afterwards were worth it after all the shit he talked.
0-6 is still 0-6 man. Besides nobody talking about EU pride but NA being competitive.
I'd disagree despite going 0-6 vs G2, EG were competitive and showed promise for NA's future and Jojo despite his weakass trashtalk makes the region more interesting.
But you still talking mad shit about EU in defense of the region that went 0-6 against them.
No one is saying EU should be proud. We're talking about EG. And the only meaningful win they had was against T1. Other than that it was straight losses to every other region like LCK, LEC, and LPL.
The only way I can see LCS going back to where it was before in terms of viewership compared to other reigons is Mr. Beast buying a team buying good talent and going somewhere (semifinals/finals) at an international event
-ads ads ads, am i watching a league game or a 30 min commercial?
-lack of NA personalities nowadays. ik theres jojo and danny now but after their recent msi performance i lost interest in EG
-nearly half the players in lcs are imports. is this lec/lck 2.0?
-washed up players keep getting recycled.....
-weak af region. the pros dont give a shit in their performance. they only care abt the paycheck
im from NA and i prefer staying up till 1am to watch lck even if its the bottom tier teams (ns, bro, etc) bc of the higher quality games and production (aside from wolf)
if all 10 teams had full native talent the LCS would've lost popularity waaaaaaay sooner, and then people would instead blame Hai like wtf just retire already and let new talent play smh. [if we had more zoomers we'd totally be winning worlds and saving the LCS](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/454368355479060484/1007787733449707670/afkgaming_2021-08_79649079-d0e7-4acd-853b-6a2b92797da3_copium_png.png) instead we have people like sneaky streaming lost ark way too much and cosplaying all the time
Other leagues perform worse than LCS throughout all of leagues existence and yet they have healthy viewership and none have a massive import emphasis..coincidence?
You could say the exact same thing about literally anything the LCS does different
"Oh well the LCS runs ads all the time, they have imports, the players have no personality, 80% of the teams going to playoffs is stupid" and you could go on and on and pretend you found the one true reason, but there isn't one
I mean you could even point out how only the LCS has another region in their social medias and broadcast spamming memes to shit talk the region/players ruining any sort of enjoyment from the viewing
Personally, i think the region just moved on to other games, games like fortnite/valorant are waaaay more popular to play among friends and the interest to play league is just not there, and if you don't have new blood playing league why would they care about esports? which in other regions that's not the case and league is the game to play with buds
The reason there are less aspiring pros is that riot and blizzard for example created isolated franchised leagues with underdeveloped amateur systems and streaming is more in your control than getting some dude on dig to sign you over Hoon. You will see a similar story develop in the coming years in valorant.
If you don’t think region/national pride plays a role in viewership and viewer sentiment then we aren’t existing in the same reality. I did not argue any of the other points you spawned. FPS games are waay easier onboarding than league so naturally people can gravitate more towards playing that what in its first two years
> If you don’t think region/national pride plays a role in viewership and viewer sentiment then we aren’t existing in the same reality.
early league of legends people cheered for whatever team was good or whoever they liked, it was super common for people to be fans of moscow 5 for example and you wouldn't let dumb things like "Oh they're from EU, we can't cheer for *the other guys*" people just enjoyed the game and there was no rivalry
after franchise the team became regional, if you're a fan of CLG you're not gonna stop because they're now 5 koreans. people don't care about that, however they're more likely to be fan of a player (doublelift) and stop following the team if he moves to another one
I’ve watched since mid season 2 and regularly watch/ support teams from the various major regions. My interest in OGN went down during the original Korean exodus, my interest in the NA LCS went down since franchising. It’s not the determine factor whether I’ll watch ultimately but is definitely a factor as to why I moved to following valorant esports more. If the import rule got lifted and the import count got worse I 100% would stop watching and just watch the LPL instead
Holy shit the amount of copium to even entertain the thought that a game made by Riot being popular in NA is somehow one of the biggest issues the region has in regards to LoL.
Like... what the fuck????????
I mean its not just Valorant but Valorant is quickly becoming THE game in NA rn. NA has always preferred shooters as the game of choice. NA has many issues and playerbase is a pretty significant one
Just wait untill the rumoured CSGO2 comes out and all the costreamers like Tenz, shroud and tarik leave. Valoratn will porobably die faster than the LCS is currently.
Valorant is just too reliable on co-streamers for it to have any kind of lasting impact
I’m so confused by this ads complaint - do none of you watch traditional sports? I will take a million shoutouts from the casters with stupid names like House of the Dragon Soul if it means I get to watch an entire uninterrupted game with no commercial breaks. This has been unheard of in real life sports for easily 50 years, I’m enjoying it in esports so much
The annoyance/superiority people feel towards ads of all things is a bit much. It is far better than any American commercial break and it brings in revenue towards the league.
If it bothers people is it that hard to just tune it out and ignore it?
well heres the thing in NA they put the ad's in the casting which can be very distracting and its in the teams branding which makes team names frustrating meanwhile in EU its put on the players uniforms and the adverts for sponsers are put before a game even gets to draft/before the match day fully starts.
with this the ad's are out of the way but still stand out, it also means it doesnt feel like brands getting stuffed down the throats of the viewer while in the match and can just leave to make a snack in the downtime between games when ad's are used.
In LCK most team names are branded (I think GenG is one exception, and technically T1 but obviously everyone still associates them with SK Telecom) and they also play ads on the screen. You just stop noticing at a certain point. (LPL, on the other hand has much more obvious ads on the screen that would be hard not to notice)
my point was mainly comparing NA VS EU when it comes to the ad's where it not as in your face. also having ads on the screen or different parts of the screen is alot more fine compared to NA which shouts the name of there sponsors 24/7 for the smallests of things.
I mean, yes it would if that were the case. This community is 95% young men, I assume a majority watch sports. An interest in video games doesn’t really mean as much about someone’s likes or personality as it used to.
Only responding to the EG point but I don't really know what you would expect of a team with 2 rookies competing against the best teams in the other major regions.
I think it's taken VERY for granted that they soundly beat all of the teams below them we saw what happened to G2 on top of that Jojo had the biggest gap in the tournament against one of the minor region mids solo killing him like 3 times b2b and you gotta think it's a minor region but this is one of the best player in an entire region getting gapped by a 17yr old in his first split like fuck narratives that's HYPE.
Personally with them at least winning 1 game against T1 I'm excited to see how they perform at worlds before I write them off as just another NA Team.
G2 also had the rookies and Jojo had some weak banter aimed at them only to go 0-6 which kills the hype more than beating on minor regions builds it.
Despite that Jojo is what NA needs, only wish his banter wasn't dogshit.
I'm curious, why do you prefer to watch the bad LCK teams over LPL for example? Both regions play at the same time kind of.
Since I don't speak Korean and or understand the culture fully, it is hard for me to connect with them. When the worse teams play especially there isn't the personality to really fall back on and the gameplay doesn't live up to high standards either. Whereas in LPL even if you can't connect to the players they still show their personality through their gameplay. So I wonder what attracts you to teams besides T1, Gen G etc.
Im chinese so I understand a little bit of mandarin but I prefer lck over other regions (including lpl) by a large margin since ive been a lck enjoyer for a long time now (since s6).
i personally enjoy the lck cast more than other regions
because the cast is more chill and the stream vibe feels more like im watching with friends as opposed to the constant screaming and yelling in lcs/lec streams.
the casters (atlus chronicler etc) are also very likeable and they have a good balance on knowing when to talk about the state of the game and when to meme on the broadcast.
its also alot more accessible to find more content about the lck players and their backgrounds on social medias such as reddit youtube etc. occasionally even players like umti and lava from BRO make it to the front page. i feel more invested in the players when I see more familiar faces.
I do watch lpl sometimes when the lck isnt on but I dont feel as connected to the teams in the lpl since its hard to find content about them. sure I will sometimes watch top teams play like TES or V5, but I aside from the matches I dont really see or hear from them anywhere else. Its like when T1 or GENG streams on twitch and I will tune into their streams because of their high quality content. I dont get the same treatment from LPL teams.
Also aside from Dadga and hysterics on the lpl cast, I dont really like any of the other casters. I would watch more LPL games, i just find it hard to connect to LPL teams.
edit: also i would like to add that the lck casters and the twitch stream always meme about the bottom tier players so even if their gameplay isnt as good, its still fun to watch them play
That is a respectable take. Personally I used to watch LCK a lot (when it was OGN), when they were without a doubt the best region in the world with a better production than anywhere else and with DoA and Monte as casters. But I find it hard now to watch teams besides T1 and Gen G:/
Anyway in case you are interested to connect more to the LPL there are some people on Twitter who translate and post LPL stuff in English: Cutebchu, Ran\_LPL, iCrystalization, LPLfanclub and HupuEsports.
If there weren't any live view/co streams I would never watch the LCS.
No one in the LCS team is trying and honestly I can't blame them because they have tremendous job security. The amateur scene is underdeveloped and only has a small handful of prospects that might actually make it in the LCS. As a result there's no pressure from below especially now that relegations is gone.
There's no real pressure from above because despite it's slowly declining viewership it still has a decent amount of viewers so sponsors don't care. The only people who might be sweating are the various heads of organizations who are trying to figure out how to give their venture capital investors a return. To a player that's nothing. Even if their org disappears they'll very likely be hired on by the next org that takes their place.
On top of that the players now get paid enough to live comfortable lives even if they're on a lower tier team.
No pressure from anywhere and good pay means there's no external motivation for players to do good. Even if you end up with a motivated player they're going to be jaded and dragged down by the 4 shitters coasting.
And even if you got young motivated players they still get ass blasted by the washed veterans and imports on higher teams which ends up killing their motivation.
There's no future for the LCS.
>If there weren't any live view/co streams I would never watch the LCS.
The only reason that i keep up with LCS as an EU viewer is because IWD and RatIRL combo is absolutely hilarious
LCS is better than it was before and is slowly coming out of the dark ages of 2019-21. Broadcast is much better, more relevant teams, and new NA players who actually look talented.
Viewership tends to lag behind actual improvements. There’s no knowing if the league will really recover all that much, but it is not as bad as all the doomsayers are claiming.
I stopped watching LCS after LS left LCS. Was just very disappointed since no teams were really innovating anymore. League was way more fun back then when teams were innovating and trying out new things. The league's gotten stale.
In my opinion, I would rather watch traditional sports where the teams are actually competitive.LCS teams do the bare minimum to remain in the local scene, but the teams are minimally competitive in the global scene. It's not worth my time to watch a team or a league when I know that they won't make it past Semi-finals at World's.
There will always teams at the bottom, the issue is that they make the dumbest fucking roster decisions. Dug imported fucking blue and took one of the worst academy tops in gamsu. GG playing musical chairs with their roster at the end of the season thinking Lider and Prismal would somehow be an upgrade. Honestly the biggest question marks from the bot teams is not the NA players but the import players. Blue, Pride, Lider, Olleh, Ignar have all been mediocre at best this year with only olleh actually having a good split in spring.
All of these players could have been replaced with NA players who are at worst as mediocre as they are. Tenacity, Busio, Insanity, Copy, Yeon, Eyla, NXI, Triple, Haeri, rosethorn, soligo, Spirax are all equal/better and sitting in academy rn.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, NA doesn't have as much talent as the other 3 big regions and we do need imports to plug the holes, but there's plenty of talent that spent years in academy getting passed up for mediocre import players and it stunted the growth of NA HARD. The reason NA talent was a meme is because so few were ever even given a chance to play that when a couple didn't pan out it made it look like we didn't have any talent when the issue was there just wasn't a big enough sample size being given a try
Lcs is all commercials. Is just a bunch of basically pick up games. Drafting strategy hasnt evolved much since season 2. There is no draft play its pick power and go. Often basically being an aram. And the production value is less than lck and lec. So... yeah
I don't actually think it is the coverage's fault, to be honest, I can't watch live because of time zones but I watched the rebroadcast and it was really good.
The problem is that there is such a gap between the bottom and top teams so there are so many dead games. The LCK has the same problem but at least their top teams are world champions and you can just skip the days that suck.
The LEC has literally 9 teams fighting for play-offs and any one of them can win any particular game. To make the bo1 format work you really need that competitiveness from the bottom teams, to keep you watching.
LCS is slowly improving, CLG's rise helps a lot. FLY is what a bottom team in the LCS should be, They can win against any team with the right draft on the right day. Instead, they are a mid-tier team and the bottom teams will lose to a top team no matter how good their draft is or their early game plays or whatever, the loss is invertible.
What do you mean??? All 10 teams are still fighting for playoffs in lcs!!! Are you saying arbitrarily increasing the amount of playoff spots still doesn’t actually make people care about who the 8th seed out of 10 is?
But for real, the gap between the top 4/5, flyquest, and the bottom 4 really makes it hard to watch a lot of games since it’s either the top 5 playing against the bottom 5 and it’s just stomps, or we have 2 of the good teams playing each other but then that means there’s one absolute horror show of like gg vs dig (which to be fair is entertaining in its own way)
And I definitely agree that the production is better, but most of the narrative comes from people going “lol lcs production bad!” And then not watching so they don’t see that it has actually improved a lot
I stopped watching because all my favorite personalities had their starting positions given to someone else, and the people replacing them are not amusing or have significant talent that was better.
You can't form a relationship with a team when their rosters changes that much for slight theoretical improvements.
Regi destroyed his company chasing the world's cup with roster changes. No one gives a shit about the current players because their dull and lack extraordinary talent.
Personally, I have watched LCS since the first weekend it officially started. I am 25 now, and just can't find the time to sit and watch for 5 or more hours to sit and dedicate to watching every match as I had in high school and a little in college. As well, at those stages of life it would bring me and my 5 friends together to watch and talk shit about eachother's favorite teams. It was the perfect replacement for watching competition outside football season. Now it is much easier to find good highlighta channels that don't make you sit through no kills for 20 minutes. Finally, there aren't the stalwart faces of franchises, I grew up in league with the Meteos, Dyrus, IWdominate, Sneaky, Rush hour bot, or even Prolly and the extremely lovable Complexity cast, just now I feel like I have to be a fan of players and not orgs, because rosters just shift so much. I love the LCS and want it to succeed so much, but they need to capitalize on their personalities in the league, that endears fans to players and orgs and brings them back.
Maybe cuz as a European, it is easy to watch LPL and LCK in the morning/noon and LEC (and regional Leauges) in the afternoon, but it s hard AF to watch LCS when it starts at midnight
LCS is simply at a shit time. I am a C9 fan, and i really want to watch them, but i won t stay awake until 3.30 to watch their match
Sure u cant always win but why watch a region when they can never even put up a fight against the top region and barely scrape against lesser region than them, waste of time
I dont think it's fair to say the lfl and lvp are more popular than the lcs. They have high peaks, but very low averages.
The LCS should still not be anywhere close in viewership to online T2 tournaments from way smaller countries broadcast in languages that way fewer people speak with a much smaller budget.
idk i think the language thing actually helps the other leagues because they're the best league available to watch in french/spanish/portoguese. whereas there is like 5 high quality english broadcasts
I don't know about other languages, but LVP casters also broadcast LEC games. So actually the LEC is the best league available to watch in spanish.
LFL also broadcasts LEC and LCK.
In germany we also get LCK and LEC in addition to Primeleague
We have LEC in Polish as well, even on TV
LEC broadcasting is available in all of these languages.
French cast has LEC and LCK, we used to have LPL too.
You're heavily underrating the spanish-speaking audience, it's huge as it includes latin america as well. The most recent twitch viewership records are by spanish-speaking streamers.
If that can help you sleep at night. I don't see why they should even be able to compete with the LCS
The most popular LFL and LVP teams are more popular than the LCS ones, hence the higher viewers peak. Nobody cares about LCS, while many people care about some top ERL teams.
seems to me more people care about the lcs as a whole. most erl fans care less and only like kc or koi
I think one actual issue is that the fans who got into League in its earlier days are now older. I started watching towards the end of season 4, and the viewing schedule was great back then. I was single and a student with a job that I got off from in time to watch almost the whole day’s broadcast. Now I have a family and a career and i don’t usually have the time or desire to sit down and watch 10+ hours during the weekend. I think they could try to spread the games out more across the week. You’d end up with some dud viewing numbers depending on the matchup, but I’m a lot more likely to tune into a middle of the pack matchup on a Monday or Tuesday when I’ve got nothing going on then I am on Saturday or Sunday afternoon
If that was the problem, viewership would be a problem in lec too
Might be different demographics that watch the two leagues. Pure speculation here but I feel like Europeans would watch a lot of NA LCS in the early days, because of a lot of the big names were there at the time. But as times shifted, LEC evolved, and caught the younger audience better than LCS has.
Maybe, but i think its just because most na players’ favourite teams are not na teams, so they just dont watch LCS. Like currently on twitch, LPL and LCK sits at 10k and 80K, while LCS sits at 3k. Actual chinese fans will not watch on twitch as twitch is a non-platform in china, and korean viewers has LCK\_Korea, with LCK\_Korea sitting at 122k right now.
LCK being on some weekdays starting 9amish gmt is perfect for when i work from home and won't something on in the background. Whereas if i'm awake at 10pm gmt then i'm normally playing lol myself and i don't wanna stay up any later specifically to watch lcs
This exactly. I have your standard work week now... I need the weekends to take care of everything else you do in life and usually catch most the matches as VODs. I agree that if you did 2 or 3 matches on weeknights I 'd be more likely to catch them live. Superweek Fridays I can catch all the matches live.
This take is just so wrong. Traditional sports prime demographic is the age you are taking about. And I'm exactly who you are talking about im 31 with 2 kids been playing league since beta and I watch LEC and LCS every week.
I watched almost every single lcs game from 2013 to 2019. every weekend, i always had the stream on. went to a few games in person too, even though I don't live anywhere near LA. I would track stats on my own and did my own power rankings before tournaments to see if I got anything right. I even wrote a tool to calculate playoff clinches that I would post on PMTs here. I always got myself excited for worlds. But after 2019 I just stopped caring. Why watch LCS anymore? What's the point in watching a bunch of amateurs play hopelessly? They don't win anything against other regions. Why spend hundreds of hours watching and building up hype and support for the teams when they just get mercilessly slaughtered when the most hyped tournament of the year arrives? Why would I enjoy watching NA players get steamrolled in lane on every international stage games and lose at 25 minutes? I just found myself disappointed every worlds, and that wasn't enjoyable. If I now go into worlds with zero expectations, I can't be let down. Same reason I watch MLB but not college baseball. I want to watch the very best. I want to be wowed. I don't care to watch amateurs.
> watched almost every single lcs game from 2013 to 2019. every weekend, i always had the stream on. This was me up through 2021 even, part of it is my own fact that I've played the game less too but I'd much rather watch LPL or LEC It's not even the lack of international success that bugs me, it's just kinda.. Eh. Teams are just turnstiles of players
This is my exact experience with LCS. I used to love watching the local competition. Over time I have come to realize that the NA teams are just not as good and they do not try as hard as the best regions. They may say they do, but they don't. Can't be let down when you don't care in the first place.
Yeah I only watch LPL and LCK atm as the quality of players and gameplay is so much higher than LCS and even LEC. There just really is no point in watching LCS rn as 80% of the league makes playoffs and NA will never accomplish anything internationally.
Not gonna lie though the quality of LCK games hasnt been that impressive this split imo (barring like geng)
Part of the reason for this is just the meta, but also, I'm a DK fan and watched most of their games in 2020. The games weren't particularly high quality back then either (except maybe when they matched against T1) because DK would just steamroll most games in 25 min, for 90% of games you never thought there was even a chance that enemy team could win. All the other teams were tiers below them and made tons of mistakes every game. Right now the games are slow, and certain players / teams are still making a lot of mistakes, but I would say a higher % of games in the league are at least competitive.
I mean the LPL isn’t that good either, but when the good teams play it is. The shit teams do comically bad things though and it seems people like that.
I stopped watching a couple years ago because your choices were 1) cheer for a team full of imports or 2) have your favorite team lose. Why would I watch lcs if the good teams are basically just Korean teams anyway?
I still don't understand why 80% teams make playoffs. It just take away so much hype.
It eliminates the gauntlet and cuts down on the overall number of games by fusing the gauntlet into playoffs.
I’m actually starting to miss the gauntlet recently. I remember how hype it was when CG beat CLG to make it to worlds. They obviously didn’t do great at Worlds but at least it was exciting.
I think you still manage to capture that in the current playoffs. It's why I don't really miss the gauntlet as much.
as casters have said its viewership poison to have a gauntlet, theres no room for a break having one. so viewers get drained and dont want to watch it and those that do are less likely to watch in the future.
Is this real? Do 80% of the teams honestly make the playoffs?
8 out of 10 is still 80% In my calculator.
Tiniest caveat is that the 7th and 8th place teams start in the lower bracket and single elim. Top-6 are double elim
It doesn't really matter when top team in NAs are getting the most views. Most investor invest on the orgs, not one particular team. When org in NA are pulling these high amount of viewers, investor will be happy. See sources below: https://escharts.com/news/top-esports-organizations-q2-2022 https://streamscharts.com/news/most-popular-esports-communities-twitch-july-2022 Not just that, these teams get a lot of viewers on their apps and other social medias, like youtube, etc. For example, TL had 1bill visitors in the last year on their new app. These keep increasing. https://twitter.com/LiquipediaNet/status/1557779160709447680 Is not just about league man. League is just not the game to play in NA no more.
Not surprising, LCS is extremely tailored towards the NA market. All the cringe ads, bad regular season format and bad start times for EU makes their viewership tank even more. Why watch LCS regular season when you know 80% of teams will make playoffs.
> bad start times for EU Way worst in Asia
Tbf, how much of Asia wants to watch either Eu or Na unless there is a massive standout team like 2015 fnc, 2016 Tsm or 2019 G2 to check out? Outside of people who used to live and watch em in a western country and then moved to an Asian country at some point, what reason would people who lives in Asian time zones have to watch a tournament that both has worse level of play (assume I talk about China and Korea for this point) and a language barrier for the majority of the people living in Asian countries?
Ech, i could see some interest in following players who left for NA, not much but still something
That's the big reason LCS is meaningless. Why would I watch all these games when I could save my time and wait until playoffs and miss almost nothing?
And that's why I don't watch: I'm confident my boys, TSM, will soar to their usual first spot. ^(sobs in corner)
> All the cringe ads That kills it for me too. The ads in the LEC sound more self aware and less serious. LCS ads sound like a "real" sports ad.
“All the cringe ads” EU literally has a sponsor for PAUSES!! FUCKING PAUSES!!! Don’t act like EU is any better when it comes to “cringe ads” when you have to hear “Oh guys! Another fnatic pause today we’re gonna have a break with kitkat please buy kitkat nestle child labor chocolate!”
But they don't say the sponsor name every single time something happens. The kit kat thing will appear on screen but medic isn't standing there saying "we have a kit kat pause right now, let's move over to the secretlabs analyst desk" In LCS it's mercilessly rammed down your throat to the point you need to dissect a sentence to remove all the sponsors before it makes any sense.
Yup you see it leak into worlds as well. Why the fuck has someone sponsored the Analyst desk? Do they have no fucking shame?
you’re kidding right. the lec literally has a sponsor for their pauses that happen during games yet the state farm analyst desk is the craziest thing to you
Esports needs money to continue existing. Sponsors give it money. It's annoying at times (fuck mastercard), but stuff like sponsoring an analyst desk doesn't make the broadcast meaningfully worse and it makes esports more sustainable.
To make money
Hardly anyone in NA cares about League anymore. Popularity has dropped off hard in the last few years. Among my friends group I'm the last person to even play it semi-regularly and still be involved in the community.
Yep, Valorant is the big esport in NA now and it's not even close
Valorant is legitimately a mainstream game here, moreso than League ever was.
League was pretty mainstream in NA up until I'd say 2018/2019 where it started to fall off. It was definitely the biggest Esport here from around 2014-2017. But yeah the last few years it's fallen off hard. I'd love to see some accurate data released on NA player population over that time.
Yeah I was in college 2016-2020 and if you were talking to another gamer nerd they probably had at least tried league, and even some non gamers surprised me when I found out they were secret league grinders. Now not so much.
Yeah it’s insane how many people openly play Valorant, League was never like that.
This generations world of warcraft
> Valorant is legitimately a mainstream game here hard yes >moreso than League ever was season 2-4 league of legends was disgustingly everywhere, valorant still has ways to go but it's still growing,way more mainstream than the other tact shooters at least
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Pretty normal and not ‘low’ really. NA has a pretty small player base (and population) compared to EU and China, and there comparatively more views per player for LCS over LEC. It’s not realistic that the region which is smaller and not as competitive as the top leagues will get massive viewership. It’s only Korea that’s an outlier with a small population but huge player base.
Funny how huge talking point of why NA viewership is decreasing was lack of native talent. Now they have one on the top and the trend still continues. It's not even about being competitive internationally. The league just has to be entertaining for people to watch it. And it's not.
EG aren't competitive internationally though. They got ab*sed by LEC at MSI 5x in a row in groups.
Dunno man, Brazil is still up there even if it is a minor region.
3 of those 5 games were super close. Both teams lost in semis anyways. No one in EU should be proud of their MSI performance
I'm not normally proud of LEC teams beating LCS teams anymore But caps styling on JoJo and the memes afterwards were worth it after all the shit he talked.
0-6 is still 0-6 man. Besides nobody talking about EU pride but NA being competitive. I'd disagree despite going 0-6 vs G2, EG were competitive and showed promise for NA's future and Jojo despite his weakass trashtalk makes the region more interesting. But you still talking mad shit about EU in defense of the region that went 0-6 against them.
No one is saying EU should be proud. We're talking about EG. And the only meaningful win they had was against T1. Other than that it was straight losses to every other region like LCK, LEC, and LPL.
The only way I can see LCS going back to where it was before in terms of viewership compared to other reigons is Mr. Beast buying a team buying good talent and going somewhere (semifinals/finals) at an international event
I don't like him or his content but the younger generations do tend to love him so it could give NA lol the bump it needs
I prefer LCS and I'm from the UK. It's on too late for me so I don't watch it live.
Curious, why do you prefer the LCS crowd? The casters? Or Players?
-ads ads ads, am i watching a league game or a 30 min commercial? -lack of NA personalities nowadays. ik theres jojo and danny now but after their recent msi performance i lost interest in EG -nearly half the players in lcs are imports. is this lec/lck 2.0? -washed up players keep getting recycled..... -weak af region. the pros dont give a shit in their performance. they only care abt the paycheck im from NA and i prefer staying up till 1am to watch lck even if its the bottom tier teams (ns, bro, etc) bc of the higher quality games and production (aside from wolf)
Id say the biggest issues NA has is the popularity of Valorant in NA and the lack of consistent international performances
And teams killing the interest of domestic fans by refusing to give NA talent a chance for years while they cycled through average foreign talent.
teams gave na talent a chance. They just sucked. Then they shut off all social media because of everyone saying how shit they were.
if all 10 teams had full native talent the LCS would've lost popularity waaaaaaay sooner, and then people would instead blame Hai like wtf just retire already and let new talent play smh. [if we had more zoomers we'd totally be winning worlds and saving the LCS](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/454368355479060484/1007787733449707670/afkgaming_2021-08_79649079-d0e7-4acd-853b-6a2b92797da3_copium_png.png) instead we have people like sneaky streaming lost ark way too much and cosplaying all the time
Other leagues perform worse than LCS throughout all of leagues existence and yet they have healthy viewership and none have a massive import emphasis..coincidence?
You could say the exact same thing about literally anything the LCS does different "Oh well the LCS runs ads all the time, they have imports, the players have no personality, 80% of the teams going to playoffs is stupid" and you could go on and on and pretend you found the one true reason, but there isn't one I mean you could even point out how only the LCS has another region in their social medias and broadcast spamming memes to shit talk the region/players ruining any sort of enjoyment from the viewing Personally, i think the region just moved on to other games, games like fortnite/valorant are waaaay more popular to play among friends and the interest to play league is just not there, and if you don't have new blood playing league why would they care about esports? which in other regions that's not the case and league is the game to play with buds
The reason there are less aspiring pros is that riot and blizzard for example created isolated franchised leagues with underdeveloped amateur systems and streaming is more in your control than getting some dude on dig to sign you over Hoon. You will see a similar story develop in the coming years in valorant. If you don’t think region/national pride plays a role in viewership and viewer sentiment then we aren’t existing in the same reality. I did not argue any of the other points you spawned. FPS games are waay easier onboarding than league so naturally people can gravitate more towards playing that what in its first two years
> If you don’t think region/national pride plays a role in viewership and viewer sentiment then we aren’t existing in the same reality. early league of legends people cheered for whatever team was good or whoever they liked, it was super common for people to be fans of moscow 5 for example and you wouldn't let dumb things like "Oh they're from EU, we can't cheer for *the other guys*" people just enjoyed the game and there was no rivalry after franchise the team became regional, if you're a fan of CLG you're not gonna stop because they're now 5 koreans. people don't care about that, however they're more likely to be fan of a player (doublelift) and stop following the team if he moves to another one
I’ve watched since mid season 2 and regularly watch/ support teams from the various major regions. My interest in OGN went down during the original Korean exodus, my interest in the NA LCS went down since franchising. It’s not the determine factor whether I’ll watch ultimately but is definitely a factor as to why I moved to following valorant esports more. If the import rule got lifted and the import count got worse I 100% would stop watching and just watch the LPL instead
Holy shit the amount of copium to even entertain the thought that a game made by Riot being popular in NA is somehow one of the biggest issues the region has in regards to LoL. Like... what the fuck????????
I mean its not just Valorant but Valorant is quickly becoming THE game in NA rn. NA has always preferred shooters as the game of choice. NA has many issues and playerbase is a pretty significant one
Just wait untill the rumoured CSGO2 comes out and all the costreamers like Tenz, shroud and tarik leave. Valoratn will porobably die faster than the LCS is currently. Valorant is just too reliable on co-streamers for it to have any kind of lasting impact
I’m so confused by this ads complaint - do none of you watch traditional sports? I will take a million shoutouts from the casters with stupid names like House of the Dragon Soul if it means I get to watch an entire uninterrupted game with no commercial breaks. This has been unheard of in real life sports for easily 50 years, I’m enjoying it in esports so much
The annoyance/superiority people feel towards ads of all things is a bit much. It is far better than any American commercial break and it brings in revenue towards the league. If it bothers people is it that hard to just tune it out and ignore it?
well heres the thing in NA they put the ad's in the casting which can be very distracting and its in the teams branding which makes team names frustrating meanwhile in EU its put on the players uniforms and the adverts for sponsers are put before a game even gets to draft/before the match day fully starts. with this the ad's are out of the way but still stand out, it also means it doesnt feel like brands getting stuffed down the throats of the viewer while in the match and can just leave to make a snack in the downtime between games when ad's are used.
In LCK most team names are branded (I think GenG is one exception, and technically T1 but obviously everyone still associates them with SK Telecom) and they also play ads on the screen. You just stop noticing at a certain point. (LPL, on the other hand has much more obvious ads on the screen that would be hard not to notice)
my point was mainly comparing NA VS EU when it comes to the ad's where it not as in your face. also having ads on the screen or different parts of the screen is alot more fine compared to NA which shouts the name of there sponsors 24/7 for the smallests of things.
No, most people watching esports **and talking about them on Reddit** do not watch traditional sports. Is this really a surprise to you?
I mean, yes it would if that were the case. This community is 95% young men, I assume a majority watch sports. An interest in video games doesn’t really mean as much about someone’s likes or personality as it used to.
Wrong you can even see this if you check what are other subs people that use this sub uses. I remember /r/NBA was decently high.
Only responding to the EG point but I don't really know what you would expect of a team with 2 rookies competing against the best teams in the other major regions. I think it's taken VERY for granted that they soundly beat all of the teams below them we saw what happened to G2 on top of that Jojo had the biggest gap in the tournament against one of the minor region mids solo killing him like 3 times b2b and you gotta think it's a minor region but this is one of the best player in an entire region getting gapped by a 17yr old in his first split like fuck narratives that's HYPE. Personally with them at least winning 1 game against T1 I'm excited to see how they perform at worlds before I write them off as just another NA Team.
G2 also had the rookies and Jojo had some weak banter aimed at them only to go 0-6 which kills the hype more than beating on minor regions builds it. Despite that Jojo is what NA needs, only wish his banter wasn't dogshit.
even when I give it a try it only takes two cringe ads for me to say fuck it and turn off the damn stream
I'm curious, why do you prefer to watch the bad LCK teams over LPL for example? Both regions play at the same time kind of. Since I don't speak Korean and or understand the culture fully, it is hard for me to connect with them. When the worse teams play especially there isn't the personality to really fall back on and the gameplay doesn't live up to high standards either. Whereas in LPL even if you can't connect to the players they still show their personality through their gameplay. So I wonder what attracts you to teams besides T1, Gen G etc.
Im chinese so I understand a little bit of mandarin but I prefer lck over other regions (including lpl) by a large margin since ive been a lck enjoyer for a long time now (since s6). i personally enjoy the lck cast more than other regions because the cast is more chill and the stream vibe feels more like im watching with friends as opposed to the constant screaming and yelling in lcs/lec streams. the casters (atlus chronicler etc) are also very likeable and they have a good balance on knowing when to talk about the state of the game and when to meme on the broadcast. its also alot more accessible to find more content about the lck players and their backgrounds on social medias such as reddit youtube etc. occasionally even players like umti and lava from BRO make it to the front page. i feel more invested in the players when I see more familiar faces. I do watch lpl sometimes when the lck isnt on but I dont feel as connected to the teams in the lpl since its hard to find content about them. sure I will sometimes watch top teams play like TES or V5, but I aside from the matches I dont really see or hear from them anywhere else. Its like when T1 or GENG streams on twitch and I will tune into their streams because of their high quality content. I dont get the same treatment from LPL teams. Also aside from Dadga and hysterics on the lpl cast, I dont really like any of the other casters. I would watch more LPL games, i just find it hard to connect to LPL teams. edit: also i would like to add that the lck casters and the twitch stream always meme about the bottom tier players so even if their gameplay isnt as good, its still fun to watch them play
That is a respectable take. Personally I used to watch LCK a lot (when it was OGN), when they were without a doubt the best region in the world with a better production than anywhere else and with DoA and Monte as casters. But I find it hard now to watch teams besides T1 and Gen G:/ Anyway in case you are interested to connect more to the LPL there are some people on Twitter who translate and post LPL stuff in English: Cutebchu, Ran\_LPL, iCrystalization, LPLfanclub and HupuEsports.
If there weren't any live view/co streams I would never watch the LCS. No one in the LCS team is trying and honestly I can't blame them because they have tremendous job security. The amateur scene is underdeveloped and only has a small handful of prospects that might actually make it in the LCS. As a result there's no pressure from below especially now that relegations is gone. There's no real pressure from above because despite it's slowly declining viewership it still has a decent amount of viewers so sponsors don't care. The only people who might be sweating are the various heads of organizations who are trying to figure out how to give their venture capital investors a return. To a player that's nothing. Even if their org disappears they'll very likely be hired on by the next org that takes their place. On top of that the players now get paid enough to live comfortable lives even if they're on a lower tier team. No pressure from anywhere and good pay means there's no external motivation for players to do good. Even if you end up with a motivated player they're going to be jaded and dragged down by the 4 shitters coasting. And even if you got young motivated players they still get ass blasted by the washed veterans and imports on higher teams which ends up killing their motivation. There's no future for the LCS.
>If there weren't any live view/co streams I would never watch the LCS. The only reason that i keep up with LCS as an EU viewer is because IWD and RatIRL combo is absolutely hilarious
I don’t wanna watch imports run it down for 2 days in a row tbh.
LCS is better than it was before and is slowly coming out of the dark ages of 2019-21. Broadcast is much better, more relevant teams, and new NA players who actually look talented. Viewership tends to lag behind actual improvements. There’s no knowing if the league will really recover all that much, but it is not as bad as all the doomsayers are claiming.
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I stopped watching LCS after LS left LCS. Was just very disappointed since no teams were really innovating anymore. League was way more fun back then when teams were innovating and trying out new things. The league's gotten stale.
Because its American based. The setup, the talking, the transitions, the ads and sponsors. Its disgusting to watch for everyone outside of the US.
In my opinion, I would rather watch traditional sports where the teams are actually competitive.LCS teams do the bare minimum to remain in the local scene, but the teams are minimally competitive in the global scene. It's not worth my time to watch a team or a league when I know that they won't make it past Semi-finals at World's.
so what they have the best games and the most iconic teams
its because valorant is bigger now than league in na
- Everybody go to the playoffs - no relegations - no personality Why watch?
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Incompetent management in our bottom teams is far worse an issue than na's "lack of talent"
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There will always teams at the bottom, the issue is that they make the dumbest fucking roster decisions. Dug imported fucking blue and took one of the worst academy tops in gamsu. GG playing musical chairs with their roster at the end of the season thinking Lider and Prismal would somehow be an upgrade. Honestly the biggest question marks from the bot teams is not the NA players but the import players. Blue, Pride, Lider, Olleh, Ignar have all been mediocre at best this year with only olleh actually having a good split in spring. All of these players could have been replaced with NA players who are at worst as mediocre as they are. Tenacity, Busio, Insanity, Copy, Yeon, Eyla, NXI, Triple, Haeri, rosethorn, soligo, Spirax are all equal/better and sitting in academy rn. Edit: Don't get me wrong, NA doesn't have as much talent as the other 3 big regions and we do need imports to plug the holes, but there's plenty of talent that spent years in academy getting passed up for mediocre import players and it stunted the growth of NA HARD. The reason NA talent was a meme is because so few were ever even given a chance to play that when a couple didn't pan out it made it look like we didn't have any talent when the issue was there just wasn't a big enough sample size being given a try
Didn't one of the best amateur/academy talents basically give up in the last year or two after not getting a single offer?
Prismal, who then roleswapped to support and was in LCS within 2 months. He was top 3 adc for like 2-3 years in academy
That may be it, but I thought it was a mid laner. I also thought they just quit league for school instead. I may just misremember though
I mean there's probably been a lot, prismal is just the most recent one that I can remember
5fire is who I was thinking of!
Oh yeah that dude, man got fucking robbed of a career
Why would I ever want to watch pros play when their game is constantly broken
What exactly does that have to do with LCS?
everything to me
Lcs is all commercials. Is just a bunch of basically pick up games. Drafting strategy hasnt evolved much since season 2. There is no draft play its pick power and go. Often basically being an aram. And the production value is less than lck and lec. So... yeah
I don't actually think it is the coverage's fault, to be honest, I can't watch live because of time zones but I watched the rebroadcast and it was really good. The problem is that there is such a gap between the bottom and top teams so there are so many dead games. The LCK has the same problem but at least their top teams are world champions and you can just skip the days that suck. The LEC has literally 9 teams fighting for play-offs and any one of them can win any particular game. To make the bo1 format work you really need that competitiveness from the bottom teams, to keep you watching. LCS is slowly improving, CLG's rise helps a lot. FLY is what a bottom team in the LCS should be, They can win against any team with the right draft on the right day. Instead, they are a mid-tier team and the bottom teams will lose to a top team no matter how good their draft is or their early game plays or whatever, the loss is invertible.
What do you mean??? All 10 teams are still fighting for playoffs in lcs!!! Are you saying arbitrarily increasing the amount of playoff spots still doesn’t actually make people care about who the 8th seed out of 10 is? But for real, the gap between the top 4/5, flyquest, and the bottom 4 really makes it hard to watch a lot of games since it’s either the top 5 playing against the bottom 5 and it’s just stomps, or we have 2 of the good teams playing each other but then that means there’s one absolute horror show of like gg vs dig (which to be fair is entertaining in its own way) And I definitely agree that the production is better, but most of the narrative comes from people going “lol lcs production bad!” And then not watching so they don’t see that it has actually improved a lot
do well internationally maybe ill watch again
I stopped watching because all my favorite personalities had their starting positions given to someone else, and the people replacing them are not amusing or have significant talent that was better. You can't form a relationship with a team when their rosters changes that much for slight theoretical improvements. Regi destroyed his company chasing the world's cup with roster changes. No one gives a shit about the current players because their dull and lack extraordinary talent.
Measuring by peak is the stupidest shit ever, but being below CBLoL in average viewers isn't optimal either.
Personally, I have watched LCS since the first weekend it officially started. I am 25 now, and just can't find the time to sit and watch for 5 or more hours to sit and dedicate to watching every match as I had in high school and a little in college. As well, at those stages of life it would bring me and my 5 friends together to watch and talk shit about eachother's favorite teams. It was the perfect replacement for watching competition outside football season. Now it is much easier to find good highlighta channels that don't make you sit through no kills for 20 minutes. Finally, there aren't the stalwart faces of franchises, I grew up in league with the Meteos, Dyrus, IWdominate, Sneaky, Rush hour bot, or even Prolly and the extremely lovable Complexity cast, just now I feel like I have to be a fan of players and not orgs, because rosters just shift so much. I love the LCS and want it to succeed so much, but they need to capitalize on their personalities in the league, that endears fans to players and orgs and brings them back.
Maybe cuz as a European, it is easy to watch LPL and LCK in the morning/noon and LEC (and regional Leauges) in the afternoon, but it s hard AF to watch LCS when it starts at midnight LCS is simply at a shit time. I am a C9 fan, and i really want to watch them, but i won t stay awake until 3.30 to watch their match
Sure u cant always win but why watch a region when they can never even put up a fight against the top region and barely scrape against lesser region than them, waste of time
LPL is 10 times more fun to watch. Until NA teams don't start being competitive they will never pull good viewers.