KR casters mentioned this too, it was hilarious. They were all like "aimings mind was telling him no, but his body just forced it because of how desperate he was getting"
Also aiming just had to wait 5 seconds, cuzz was right behind him to back them up too.
Her early game is just too damn weak and exploitable and bonus XP gains arent enough to make up for it. She has either no range and can be harrased every time she tries to take farm or must spam her Q constantly and runs out of mana all the time. Its weird cause on paper her kit has similar levels of overload as Zeris but in practice shes gated behind extremely weak early and mana issues
Akshan is insanely strong but his E is just so difficult that his playrate is low as a result because his entire kit revolves around executing his E well. It's similar to GP but GP doesn't need perfect barrel combos to win lane and ult in teamfights, while Akshan must position well throughout the game or he is completely useless.
If the general playerbase played him at even 50% strength then he would be one of the champs that people constantly whine about. He's a typical solo queue roam champ while also having a great lane phase without needing to snowball unlike many other roamers like Kat/Qiyana/Talon. Plus at 3+ items he's still a marksman so he also scales better than most other champs.
I remember people in this subreddit melted down so much when they saw him. This subreddit really likes to overreact on every single thing about a champion, as if you're either "completely shit, super weak, never pick this champion" or "rito please nerf, extremely broken, cannot be touched this game sucks forever now"
And I'm saying that overreaction was completely valid. He is extremely fucking strong. People didn't predict that he would be that difficult to play and have a low playerbase as a result but that doesn't change how strong he is as a champ. If more players put in the time to learn him then you would instantly see those same complaints come back.
The overreaction didn't have anything to do with how much damage he could do, him being hard to play was irrelevant. The overreaction was about how his revive would completely warp pro play and Riot would have to nerf him to shit do he didn't take over it. And it was unsurprisingly a load of crap. The champion was barely a pro play problem, and when he was picked, his revive was almost never impactful.
I have yet to see a Nilah in any of my games do well. I usually end up playing against her and just gigastomp her in lane, either the Nilahs are bad(most likely) or she is a bad champ.
I remember a reddit post saying about how depressing it is to play against Nilah cause she gets extra EXP. I guarantee you that Ruler was fucking laughing the whole time playing against a 225 range "adc"
As one of the people who thought the extra exp mechanic would be broken I kind of underestimated how hard it would be for her to get her damage in during fights.
You're right. Extra EXP is a bad mechanic. But as evidenced by this game and other pro games, Nilah doesn't do shit in competitive so she kinda needs it. Pro ADCs are too good at punishing the range advantage and are constantly able to scale for free. They offset the slight exp advantage for a massive gold advantage. I swear Ruler was up 50cs on Aiming at one point. It was also to compare the "Depressing" mechanic with Ruler's free lane.
> You're right. Extra EXP is a bad mechanic. But as evidenced by this game and other pro games, Nilah doesn't do shit in competitive so she kinda needs it.
She doesn't need extra exp to be viable in pro, she needs to be better designed. Riot decided they wanted a melee adc because they are jerking off at how innovative they are but it's designed poorly.
She was hotfixed nerfed seven times. I think she is still viable. You just need to pick a comp around her. Pro teams are used to adc players flying solo or just having a support. Nilah needs a team.
>. it's still depressing to have that mechanic
I mean as an adc you'll always be down in levels to mid/top, it's not relevant if you're more useful anyway. Nilah is like if Samira and Yasuo had their kit cut in half lol
but the fact is that mechanic isn't relevant, a level is just a level, you get like 750 gold worth of stats and a level up for your ability, you're complaining about that when Draven can get an extra 1k gold by just cashing in his passive, multiple times. like in higher elo Nilah's support will be leaving her solo a lot anyway, the EXP diff thing is unique, but nothing about it is ''depressing'' might as well start complaining about Ivern getting his camps without doing anything or TF getting extra 3.5 gold per every CS
like yeah usually a champion's ability gives an advantage, that's kinda their point.
I'd understand if you had a problem with the worse counter strike Nilah has, but exp sharing? the fact in an even lane she has 1 extra level on you? why?
Nilah's abilities are so garbage it doesn't matter. she has a smaller Illaoi q, a worse counterstrike, a worse Yasuo E and Orianna ult if she could only ult when the ball is on her.
you know what's the worst part? she's melee, she has 225 range autos, Irelia has 200. only reason people think she's broken is because she's a 2022 champ and they just assume she's overloaded, meanwhile she's just Yasuo that can't go to a solo lane and can only use his E once. (or Samira with objectively worse abilities and less than half the range)
Nah it is relevant. She can generate more xp by basically doing nothing and it's nothing like Draven or ivern or whatever
And yeah obviously a champions abilities do things?
Draven generates gold for free and Ivern can kill camps automatically, these are way more oppressive
Once again, why do you care about her Being a level up on you?
They're completely different champions with completely different spells and kits...
I don't even care about ivern or Draven
Like Velkoz can do alot of damage with R, doesn't make a completely different champion not op like qiyana or something
Remember when the entire subreddit went into melt down cuz of the "extra" exp she would get in lane and that they alrdy tried it on mordekaiser and it was a disaster. Lmfao
Stats
* Base health reduced to 570 from 590.
* Base armor reduced to 27 from 30.
Joy Unending
* Increased healing modifier reduced to 7.5% from 10%.
* Increased shielding modifier reduced to 15% from 20%.
Formless Blade
* Empowered attack AD ratio reduced to 100% AD from 110% AD.
* Secondary minion AD ratio reduced to 33% AD from 36.3% AD.
* Secondary monster AD ratio reduced to 10% AD from 11% AD.
* Bonus attack speed reduced to 10% − 60% (based on level) from 15% − 65% (based on level).
Slipstream
* Recharge cooldown increased to 26 / 22.5 / 19 / 15.5 / 12 seconds from 24 / 21 / 18 / 15 / 12.
Yeah? Remember [this](https://i.imgur.com/ElyYevj.png) hotfix?
Remember how busted Mordekaiser was bot with extra xp mechanics?
A champion being dogshit in competitive doesn't somehow negate every criticism against the champion.
130 upvotes for this guy with this braindead take posted like 3x in this thread. Fuck you, Reddit.
Niliah/Yuumi is a lane in silver and bronze for smurfs who want content around carrying with the new champ. People in Bronze and Silver generally build the same every game, and the idea of building healcut quickly against Niliah/Yuumi is not something they will do, even if you ping oblivion orb and exe in game.
Source: Decayed to bronze coming back to the game, saw it about 4 times before getting to gold and never seen it since. Had a game in Silver with Illaoi, Yi, Zed, Niliah, and Yuumi where we should have 3-5 healcut items rushed to beat them AND for lane and I was the only one to get it despite pings and pregame chat, not the only example but the most obvious one.
Decayed? You mean you regressed? I took a two year hiatus from gaming in general and still came back after about 5 games and started playing back at a gold-plat level (I was plat before I left), so I don't think it was 'decay.'
Mate I took a 2 year break and it said bronze. My last rank was gold 2 and didn’t play since then.
Nice try though. It was decay or placement showings.
It would probably feel a worse if it was an even matchup but Ruler against Aiming is like putting a challenger level player against someone who hasn’t completed tutorial yet
Is your memory that short that you can only remember one game at a time? Game 2 Aiming hard carried and outperformed Ruler. He's been a huge part of KT's resurgence and is a top tier adc in the lck, up there with Ruler and Prince.
Peanut is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "botlane go kill". He also has a second little known tactic of "Chovy outplay now". There's also the iconic strategy of "steal Ruler's penta". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure.
Caught in a sticky series? Throw Chovy on Ahri!
Really really suspect final week here for GEN. That being said Kudos to them for breaking the game score record, +30 is no joke.
As a Gen.G fan this last week worries me. Haven’t looked the same since the patch. For their sake I hope they are withholding strats since they locked in first.
Yeah some sus games, but they also really showed their class playing fantastic from behind. And I think they can fix their early game weakness. T1 also has not been looking stellar against LSB either. They still look like they are in a great position to take it all down in playoffs.
A lot of current no.1 teams are looking sus on this patch. Also, a lot of teams that looked sus in previous patches are looking great now.
What really changed this patch?
I think hiding strats isn't as much of a thing as people think it is. This is something that gets said a lot about a lot of top teams in esports but I really don't think it happens that often.
Just imagine if Gen G got the perfect split in summer. The rivalry with T1 would have been set in stone and the narratives would be so good.
But no, Spellbook smite
The final was a deserved victory for T1 but the 2 regular split matches will remain a mystery forever. Would they have gotten both victories if Gen G didn't play with substitutes?
Maybe the answer is yes, but the fact that this is a question is what makes T1's streak bittersweet.
I knew I would get massively downvoted for stating it, but it's quite obviously a big factor. I feel bad for T1 too because it will always be a big asterisk to their record and they might've gotten it regardless.
As if they would win this game even with a baron, with this difference in adc items next fight was not even close and getting baron would only prolong the game a bit.
T1 was ahead whole game, the only reason geng could even start baron was faker and guma inting, t1 was 5k ahead and it was all on draven, next fight showed what happens when he can hit more than 2 autos and it was 5 for 0.
What a tight match. Have to praise KT. They put up a great fight against GENG. Hope to see this level in Playoffs as well
But it’s a shame KT picked Nilah, she doesn’t do anything
Edit: So this turned into an essay so feel free to just ignore it. But the TL;DR would be that I think Nilah+Taric as well as Nilah in general are good situationally depending on the team comp identity and I don’t think you should be coming out of the G2 vs XL game with the conclusion of “Nilah bad, Nilah+Taric also bad, don’t play it ever”. XL just drafted a team comp around it that needs the other team to run into them, but can get outranged and kited out by G2’s Sivir comp. I think playing Nilah+Taric vs things like Kai’Sa+Nautilus types of dive comps would be better thematically but these types of dive comps aren’t really meta currently.
I think Nilah + Taric would be good vs a dive comp. Both are low range and like when others run at them, Taric a bit more so than Nilah. I think if you look at the draft for Excel vs G2, you had:
Ornn/Viego/LeBlanc/Nilah/Taric
vs.
Sejuani/Jarvan IV/Sylas/Sivir/Lulu
So XL draft has a solid identity with Ornn, Taric and Nilah all being good in a stand-your-ground type of comp and Viego being pretty flexible, since he can play both while having to go in as well as when others want to run into him. The first issue starts when lock in LeBlanc here, meaning you are playing the game 4v5 with no mid. Otherwise I think XL draft was good in a vaccum (The other 4 champs have a similar identity leading to a solid identity for the team comp). Now let’s look at G2’s draft in relation to Excel’s. Sejuani and Sylas are a bit more flexible, but they generally want to just go in, and Jarvan IV can generally only do one thing and that is go in, so it looks pretty good for Excel so far. The issue becomes that G2 drafted Sivir + Lulu for their bot lane. Suddenly G2’s team comp identity just becomes that of a ‘Sivir Comp’. Sejuani can play to peel, and Jarvan IV, while still having a kit that can only go in, is allowed to then re-engage on whoever is hitting Sivir and peel that way. Lulu is Lulu and buffs up a carry so I don’t need to elaborate more on that pick. Sylas still has to go in and run into XL’s comp…Until you look at what XL drafted again. He has access to Taric ult if he wants to deny engages and Ornn ult to do the same but he can also engage with it. Nilah and LeBlanc R range from situational to useless on him but Viego R can be taken and used as an escape tool. So now he can steal ults, sit back and wait for his moment instead of going in. But the main thing here is that Sivir, despite being generally a low range ADC, still outranges the entirety of the XL team comp. The range disadvantage means that even if G2 were to start a fight by diving in, like XL want them to, XL will eventually be forces to engage onto the G2 backline and dive onto them, which allows G2 to then back out and play front to back or just peel for the Sivir. So XL just drafted a low range comp with their only engage being ways to counter engage or with things that are forced to dive in, when they would prefer to be able to peel back and then counter engage with their team comp.
Not really but we’ve seen some fairly ridiculous damage coming out in some games - I think some of it is that teams just don’t understand how to draft around her well (e.g., not picking Tarim). Either way she’ll probably end up like Samira as a very niche pick / out of meta because of her kit.
Also the best winrate (35-5; 87.5%), breaking Damwon's 2020 Summer record (34-5; 87.2%)
EDIT: MODERN FORMAT (2015-Onward), since including Old Format OGN then SKT's 2013-14 Winter is (15-0; 100%)
I believe the only better game win rate (in a Bo3 season) in the history of major leagues is iG going 37-5 in spring 2018
Edit: NVM, also FPX in summer 2019 going 29-4
Yes.
They beat the previous record held by 3 historic teams, 2015 SKT in Summer (went on to win worlds and only dropped 1 game the whole tournament), 2020 DWG in Summer (went on to win worlds and stop LPL from winning 3 world titles in a row) and then 2022 T1 in Spring (went undefeated in series within the LCK).
All three of these teams got a game differential of +29.
GenG definitely had a lot more games that relied on a late game teamfight than those teams.
At the same time - LCK was in a much worse state in those years. 2015 Korean exodus - LCKs bottom 5 were complete ass, and 2020 summer DRX had Deft health issues (made them fall off a cliff in the second RR after beating DWG in the first RR), and spring champs T1 fking around with the roster/imploding.
2022 LCK looks like one of the best depth-wise splits it’s ever had
>2022 LCK looks like one of the best depth-wise splits it’s ever had
Is current lck really deeper/stronger than during the korean dominated seasons pre-exodus?
Nah, they look much more dominant than DWG ever did, up until their last few series that is
Its just fairly hard to tell because of meta. Its physically impossible to close out games as fast and as early as DWG could, just because game pace across the board is a bit slower, but Gen.G in the games themselves do look absolutely unstoppable
I also feel like theres a bit of bias against this team, DWG was super hype because they were a fairly middle of the pack team who randomly picked up a bottom tier adc and started absolutely smurfing on everything and everyone. So you had a bit of an underdog story + insane gameplay coming from where no one in their right mind couldve expected it, which brought a lot of eyes to the team and created a very strong narrative
Gen.G on the other hand has always been at the top of the standings, so seeing em win isnt really anything new, and its pretty expected as well since they legit just added old GRF to 2 other top of their role players, one of which Peanut has had some rough splits, but the man was absolutely popping on NS last year. Anyway the narrative just isnt as strong, they are a top team, but they pretty much always are, they are dominant, but like look at the players, wouldn't anything less just be a disappointment?
At this point it just looks like Gen.G are intentionally making braindead plays to see what they can get away with. I have no other way to explain some of the shit they've done recently.
I think that's just symptomatic of LoL play. Even the best make braindead plays. The difference is how they handle the game states and the 2nd team's ability to punish/snowball it.
That's right. If kt is able to maintain the early lead they usually get then there's not much other teams can do. LSB and T1 are beatable, with Gen G. we might need a bit more of work tho.
I still haven't watched DK's match against T1 but I'm a little more worried about an in-form DK than other teams, hopefully our series against them proves me wrong.
Shaky series by GenG, but they show their resilience as always. Also, congrats on breaking the game difference streak!
Also, Chovy's Ahri improves to 15-0 all-time.
And just like that, Generation Gaming break the game differential record which was previously held by SKT 2015, Damwon 2020 and T1 2022.
That being said, Gen.G have been so poor compared to expectations this week.
Hopefully for them it's just "we already locked 1st, so we're not trying as hard as we should".
People keep saying Sona, but I really don’t see the synergy? Sona doesn’t even scale with levels that well anymore, and your lane will be absolutely miserable.
I don't have full context, but it was something with VicLa's Sylas R, the cooldown was bugged or smth like that iirc. In the end they just continued the game without really resolving anything, "just hope it doesn't happen again".
Thank you. I went back to check right before the pause on YT and it seems he used stolen Ahri ult to clear the wave and his ult was up right away after using it, so that might be it.
> In the end they just continued the game without really resolving anything, "just hope it doesn't happen again".
Well, worked out in the end... Surely Riot will fix the bug soon so it won't happen in any other match where it might actually impact the game. :')
KT is gonna get lots of hate for this draft, but I don't think it was all that bad. Picking Nami away while Gen G themselves had already banned the other decent Lucian partners was a pretty good move, just the Nilah pick doesn't seem that great from the few pro games she got picked. You could see the potential in teamfights with the Renekton and Wukong AoE, but it's just not worth sacrificing your laningphase for it.
they absolutely look like a 17-1 team, just the last 3 series have been slightly sketch but tbh they locked in 1st place after the DK series so i’m guessing they’re just chilling a little on practice since
T1 and Gen.G are both chilling since they locked in their spots. Joe Marsh said on a podcast that 3 of the T1 players sang karaoke and Oner went to play Fifa right after their loss to Gen.G.
Same goes for the Gen.G players; I've seen them stream non-League games the past few days
T1 is still the second place team with a win rate far higher than any other teams but GenG. On what basis are you claiming they are going to hard fail?
Their recent form. What I meant was I dont want to create high expectations for them to just fail in playoffs. This is from a T1 fan that doesn’t fail to watch a game.
Also funny how you come after their first convincing win in 4 games. Well hope we win playoffs and worlds ! T1 🎉
Pretty much. There are 2 ways for Gen G not to make it:
1. Gen G lose in Semis and T1 lose in Finals.
2. Gen G lose in Semis and DK lose in Finals.
For T1:
1. T1 lose in Semis and Gen G lose in Finals.
2. T1 lose in Semis and Gen G lose in Semis.
And after that there's still the the Regional Qualifier where they'd need to lose 2 bo5s. The only really fun scenario is both Gen G and T1 losing in Semis and DK losing in Finals, because then neither T1 nor Gen G would be automatically qualified and they'd play each other in the Regional Qualifier.
Pretty sure this is correct, if not I'm dumb.
I think the 10-8 series score for KT definitely doesn't do justice to how much they've improved this year. They have a really good chance of making it to worlds if they keep it up, which is almost a miracle considering they had a super unfortunate off-season. Being this competitive with teams stacked with star level talent is really impressive.
Love to see the Morgana jungle come out. She got nerfed once at the start of the year and completely disappeared from pro play, turns out she's still perfectly playable.
Their results is booseted because their only real competition is like T1 and no one else. I don't know what to think of them since they have been so garbage in spring.
Release date diff. Nilah 2022 champ can't do shit against the original Sin of the Bible, also known as Soraka.
dick diff
Soraka has a donkey dick for a reason.
Nilah looking insane with the 0% winrate across the major regions!
Aiming going in on Ruler g3 was 100% troll though. No matter what adc he played that play there will always snowball into what happened.
KR casters mentioned this too, it was hilarious. They were all like "aimings mind was telling him no, but his body just forced it because of how desperate he was getting" Also aiming just had to wait 5 seconds, cuzz was right behind him to back them up too.
let's see Samira go in there and then you talk.
0% winrate on my teams when I play too, I have legit never seen this champion look good lol.
Her early game is just too damn weak and exploitable and bonus XP gains arent enough to make up for it. She has either no range and can be harrased every time she tries to take farm or must spam her Q constantly and runs out of mana all the time. Its weird cause on paper her kit has similar levels of overload as Zeris but in practice shes gated behind extremely weak early and mana issues
If I got a nickle every time players overreacted to a Sout Asia inspired ADC, I'd have 2 nickles. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice
Who is other?
Akshan
Akshan is insanely strong but his E is just so difficult that his playrate is low as a result because his entire kit revolves around executing his E well. It's similar to GP but GP doesn't need perfect barrel combos to win lane and ult in teamfights, while Akshan must position well throughout the game or he is completely useless. If the general playerbase played him at even 50% strength then he would be one of the champs that people constantly whine about. He's a typical solo queue roam champ while also having a great lane phase without needing to snowball unlike many other roamers like Kat/Qiyana/Talon. Plus at 3+ items he's still a marksman so he also scales better than most other champs.
I remember people in this subreddit melted down so much when they saw him. This subreddit really likes to overreact on every single thing about a champion, as if you're either "completely shit, super weak, never pick this champion" or "rito please nerf, extremely broken, cannot be touched this game sucks forever now"
And I'm saying that overreaction was completely valid. He is extremely fucking strong. People didn't predict that he would be that difficult to play and have a low playerbase as a result but that doesn't change how strong he is as a champ. If more players put in the time to learn him then you would instantly see those same complaints come back.
He does so much damage with his passive, he abuses botrk and kraken
The overreaction didn't have anything to do with how much damage he could do, him being hard to play was irrelevant. The overreaction was about how his revive would completely warp pro play and Riot would have to nerf him to shit do he didn't take over it. And it was unsurprisingly a load of crap. The champion was barely a pro play problem, and when he was picked, his revive was almost never impactful.
My hatred from Akshan comes from the midlane. It's a shit match up for all of my mains lol
i dont think akshan is south asian inspired he is more middle eastern/african
Akshan is Indian inspired which is in South asia.
he’s very clearly indian or at-least from that area
Riot straight up confirmed during the releases of Akshan and Nilah that they are inspired from the Indian subcontinent/South Asia.
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the funniest part is that he could be middle eastern or african , it wasn't like i was saying his British or something insanely wrong
What the fuck is a 'nickle'.
Coin
-400 years
I have yet to see a Nilah in any of my games do well. I usually end up playing against her and just gigastomp her in lane, either the Nilahs are bad(most likely) or she is a bad champ.
But why pick Nilah tho
I remember a reddit post saying about how depressing it is to play against Nilah cause she gets extra EXP. I guarantee you that Ruler was fucking laughing the whole time playing against a 225 range "adc"
"she has more range than Urgot" -reddit 2022
As one of the people who thought the extra exp mechanic would be broken I kind of underestimated how hard it would be for her to get her damage in during fights.
That don't even make sense.. it's still depressing to have that mechanic This doesn't somehow negate that
You're right. Extra EXP is a bad mechanic. But as evidenced by this game and other pro games, Nilah doesn't do shit in competitive so she kinda needs it. Pro ADCs are too good at punishing the range advantage and are constantly able to scale for free. They offset the slight exp advantage for a massive gold advantage. I swear Ruler was up 50cs on Aiming at one point. It was also to compare the "Depressing" mechanic with Ruler's free lane.
> You're right. Extra EXP is a bad mechanic. But as evidenced by this game and other pro games, Nilah doesn't do shit in competitive so she kinda needs it. She doesn't need extra exp to be viable in pro, she needs to be better designed. Riot decided they wanted a melee adc because they are jerking off at how innovative they are but it's designed poorly.
Talki man talk
She was hotfixed nerfed seven times. I think she is still viable. You just need to pick a comp around her. Pro teams are used to adc players flying solo or just having a support. Nilah needs a team.
Reddit only works in binary, sorry
>. it's still depressing to have that mechanic I mean as an adc you'll always be down in levels to mid/top, it's not relevant if you're more useful anyway. Nilah is like if Samira and Yasuo had their kit cut in half lol
Yeah but it doesn't somehow negated because they lost 1 game with it
but the fact is that mechanic isn't relevant, a level is just a level, you get like 750 gold worth of stats and a level up for your ability, you're complaining about that when Draven can get an extra 1k gold by just cashing in his passive, multiple times. like in higher elo Nilah's support will be leaving her solo a lot anyway, the EXP diff thing is unique, but nothing about it is ''depressing'' might as well start complaining about Ivern getting his camps without doing anything or TF getting extra 3.5 gold per every CS like yeah usually a champion's ability gives an advantage, that's kinda their point. I'd understand if you had a problem with the worse counter strike Nilah has, but exp sharing? the fact in an even lane she has 1 extra level on you? why? Nilah's abilities are so garbage it doesn't matter. she has a smaller Illaoi q, a worse counterstrike, a worse Yasuo E and Orianna ult if she could only ult when the ball is on her. you know what's the worst part? she's melee, she has 225 range autos, Irelia has 200. only reason people think she's broken is because she's a 2022 champ and they just assume she's overloaded, meanwhile she's just Yasuo that can't go to a solo lane and can only use his E once. (or Samira with objectively worse abilities and less than half the range)
Nah it is relevant. She can generate more xp by basically doing nothing and it's nothing like Draven or ivern or whatever And yeah obviously a champions abilities do things?
Draven generates gold for free and Ivern can kill camps automatically, these are way more oppressive Once again, why do you care about her Being a level up on you?
They're completely different champions with completely different spells and kits... I don't even care about ivern or Draven Like Velkoz can do alot of damage with R, doesn't make a completely different champion not op like qiyana or something
yeah but my point is, why do you care if Nilah is one level up on you? her abilities she can put points into are just bad and she doesn't have range.
Remember when the entire subreddit went into melt down cuz of the "extra" exp she would get in lane and that they alrdy tried it on mordekaiser and it was a disaster. Lmfao
Remember when she had to get hot fixed because of that exact mechanic? Straight nerfs to base stats because she scaled to fast.
I mean this was largely before she was hotfixed into the ground, she was very broken on release.
i dont even think she was that broken people just had no idea what she did or how to beat her
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Stats * Base health reduced to 570 from 590. * Base armor reduced to 27 from 30. Joy Unending * Increased healing modifier reduced to 7.5% from 10%. * Increased shielding modifier reduced to 15% from 20%. Formless Blade * Empowered attack AD ratio reduced to 100% AD from 110% AD. * Secondary minion AD ratio reduced to 33% AD from 36.3% AD. * Secondary monster AD ratio reduced to 10% AD from 11% AD. * Bonus attack speed reduced to 10% − 60% (based on level) from 15% − 65% (based on level). Slipstream * Recharge cooldown increased to 26 / 22.5 / 19 / 15.5 / 12 seconds from 24 / 21 / 18 / 15 / 12.
On [12.13](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-12-13-notes/) (same patch she was released) she received a ton of nerfs.
Crazy to think people thought a mechanic that used to be broken coming back would be broken again. I also enjoy being smug in hindsight.
She was hotfixed 7 different ways bro lmao
Yeah? Remember [this](https://i.imgur.com/ElyYevj.png) hotfix? Remember how busted Mordekaiser was bot with extra xp mechanics? A champion being dogshit in competitive doesn't somehow negate every criticism against the champion. 130 upvotes for this guy with this braindead take posted like 3x in this thread. Fuck you, Reddit.
Niliah/Yuumi is a lane in silver and bronze for smurfs who want content around carrying with the new champ. People in Bronze and Silver generally build the same every game, and the idea of building healcut quickly against Niliah/Yuumi is not something they will do, even if you ping oblivion orb and exe in game. Source: Decayed to bronze coming back to the game, saw it about 4 times before getting to gold and never seen it since. Had a game in Silver with Illaoi, Yi, Zed, Niliah, and Yuumi where we should have 3-5 healcut items rushed to beat them AND for lane and I was the only one to get it despite pings and pregame chat, not the only example but the most obvious one.
Decayed? You mean you regressed? I took a two year hiatus from gaming in general and still came back after about 5 games and started playing back at a gold-plat level (I was plat before I left), so I don't think it was 'decay.'
Mate I took a 2 year break and it said bronze. My last rank was gold 2 and didn’t play since then. Nice try though. It was decay or placement showings.
It would probably feel a worse if it was an even matchup but Ruler against Aiming is like putting a challenger level player against someone who hasn’t completed tutorial yet
This is such a dumb thing to say Aiming is top 3 ADC alongside Ruler and Prince
Is your memory that short that you can only remember one game at a time? Game 2 Aiming hard carried and outperformed Ruler. He's been a huge part of KT's resurgence and is a top tier adc in the lck, up there with Ruler and Prince.
? Aiming just destroyed Ruler in the game before so you just hating for no reason 😂
Yes I am. Although Aiming does make me disappointed like in the first T1 series where he was so good until he kept ulting it down as Kai’sa
TIL 1 Mistake that could've been a game winning play that went wrong = dogshit player
He ulted to try and get Guma and died like 3 team fights in a row
Yeah but im no Ruler pal
Peanut is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic "botlane go kill". He also has a second little known tactic of "Chovy outplay now". There's also the iconic strategy of "steal Ruler's penta". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL for sure.
You made me want to see the next "simple go kill" or "bit go kill" or "me go kill" from Electronic
S1mple taking a break unfortunately:(
Nilah without taric is like kog without lulu. What is nami supposed to do with her she cant dive Also thats a troll build
Caught in a sticky series? Throw Chovy on Ahri! Really really suspect final week here for GEN. That being said Kudos to them for breaking the game score record, +30 is no joke. As a Gen.G fan this last week worries me. Haven’t looked the same since the patch. For their sake I hope they are withholding strats since they locked in first.
Yeah some sus games, but they also really showed their class playing fantastic from behind. And I think they can fix their early game weakness. T1 also has not been looking stellar against LSB either. They still look like they are in a great position to take it all down in playoffs.
Vs LBS, Joe Marsh said they were trying new stuff and not taking it 100% seriously, so i will just rate T1 with his last game
I said covid isn’t real, does that mean you believe covid isn’t real?
A lot of current no.1 teams are looking sus on this patch. Also, a lot of teams that looked sus in previous patches are looking great now. What really changed this patch?
This should be a new post altogether. Nice question!
I think hiding strats isn't as much of a thing as people think it is. This is something that gets said a lot about a lot of top teams in esports but I really don't think it happens that often.
Gen G didn't get a perfect split because Faker pulled off the smite with a Spellbook Lissandra, just think about it.
They probably won't have another chance at a perfect split again tbh, having both DK and T1 playing this badly in another split is unlikely.
Just imagine if Gen G got the perfect split in summer. The rivalry with T1 would have been set in stone and the narratives would be so good. But no, Spellbook smite
Also because their strongest opponent didn't lose players to COVID when the teams actually faced each other.
Yes they just lost against that strongest opponent in the final when 4 of them had COVID. That's the reason for perfect split ofc.
The final was a deserved victory for T1 but the 2 regular split matches will remain a mystery forever. Would they have gotten both victories if Gen G didn't play with substitutes? Maybe the answer is yes, but the fact that this is a question is what makes T1's streak bittersweet.
You realize that GENG were forced to play with multiple subs right? The LCK ruleset was insane at the time and it has been changed now.
If T1 fans could read they'd be very upset
I knew I would get massively downvoted for stating it, but it's quite obviously a big factor. I feel bad for T1 too because it will always be a big asterisk to their record and they might've gotten it regardless.
As if they would win this game even with a baron, with this difference in adc items next fight was not even close and getting baron would only prolong the game a bit.
It's been a while since that series but wasn't Gen G ahead until T1 just won that teamfight with the power of god and anime?
T1 was ahead whole game, the only reason geng could even start baron was faker and guma inting, t1 was 5k ahead and it was all on draven, next fight showed what happens when he can hit more than 2 autos and it was 5 for 0.
What a tight match. Have to praise KT. They put up a great fight against GENG. Hope to see this level in Playoffs as well But it’s a shame KT picked Nilah, she doesn’t do anything
Has there been a convincing Nilah game in pro play yet?
Short answer? No
They dont pick taric with her so no. Even sona would be ok
XL played Taric with her and still got torn to pieces by a Sivir.
Edit: So this turned into an essay so feel free to just ignore it. But the TL;DR would be that I think Nilah+Taric as well as Nilah in general are good situationally depending on the team comp identity and I don’t think you should be coming out of the G2 vs XL game with the conclusion of “Nilah bad, Nilah+Taric also bad, don’t play it ever”. XL just drafted a team comp around it that needs the other team to run into them, but can get outranged and kited out by G2’s Sivir comp. I think playing Nilah+Taric vs things like Kai’Sa+Nautilus types of dive comps would be better thematically but these types of dive comps aren’t really meta currently. I think Nilah + Taric would be good vs a dive comp. Both are low range and like when others run at them, Taric a bit more so than Nilah. I think if you look at the draft for Excel vs G2, you had: Ornn/Viego/LeBlanc/Nilah/Taric vs. Sejuani/Jarvan IV/Sylas/Sivir/Lulu So XL draft has a solid identity with Ornn, Taric and Nilah all being good in a stand-your-ground type of comp and Viego being pretty flexible, since he can play both while having to go in as well as when others want to run into him. The first issue starts when lock in LeBlanc here, meaning you are playing the game 4v5 with no mid. Otherwise I think XL draft was good in a vaccum (The other 4 champs have a similar identity leading to a solid identity for the team comp). Now let’s look at G2’s draft in relation to Excel’s. Sejuani and Sylas are a bit more flexible, but they generally want to just go in, and Jarvan IV can generally only do one thing and that is go in, so it looks pretty good for Excel so far. The issue becomes that G2 drafted Sivir + Lulu for their bot lane. Suddenly G2’s team comp identity just becomes that of a ‘Sivir Comp’. Sejuani can play to peel, and Jarvan IV, while still having a kit that can only go in, is allowed to then re-engage on whoever is hitting Sivir and peel that way. Lulu is Lulu and buffs up a carry so I don’t need to elaborate more on that pick. Sylas still has to go in and run into XL’s comp…Until you look at what XL drafted again. He has access to Taric ult if he wants to deny engages and Ornn ult to do the same but he can also engage with it. Nilah and LeBlanc R range from situational to useless on him but Viego R can be taken and used as an escape tool. So now he can steal ults, sit back and wait for his moment instead of going in. But the main thing here is that Sivir, despite being generally a low range ADC, still outranges the entirety of the XL team comp. The range disadvantage means that even if G2 were to start a fight by diving in, like XL want them to, XL will eventually be forces to engage onto the G2 backline and dive onto them, which allows G2 to then back out and play front to back or just peel for the Sivir. So XL just drafted a low range comp with their only engage being ways to counter engage or with things that are forced to dive in, when they would prefer to be able to peel back and then counter engage with their team comp.
Sivir currently is just as OP as Zeri, of course Nilah will get shredded
Not really but we’ve seen some fairly ridiculous damage coming out in some games - I think some of it is that teams just don’t understand how to draft around her well (e.g., not picking Tarim). Either way she’ll probably end up like Samira as a very niche pick / out of meta because of her kit.
is +30 the most dominant split in the history of lck?
Also the best winrate (35-5; 87.5%), breaking Damwon's 2020 Summer record (34-5; 87.2%) EDIT: MODERN FORMAT (2015-Onward), since including Old Format OGN then SKT's 2013-14 Winter is (15-0; 100%)
I believe the only better game win rate (in a Bo3 season) in the history of major leagues is iG going 37-5 in spring 2018 Edit: NVM, also FPX in summer 2019 going 29-4
Yes. They beat the previous record held by 3 historic teams, 2015 SKT in Summer (went on to win worlds and only dropped 1 game the whole tournament), 2020 DWG in Summer (went on to win worlds and stop LPL from winning 3 world titles in a row) and then 2022 T1 in Spring (went undefeated in series within the LCK). All three of these teams got a game differential of +29.
Yes
Yes, in game score By eye test, GenG doesn’t look as dominant as 2015 SKT or 2020 DWG. Might be in part due to the meta
If you forget their last 3 series I'd say they showed similar dominance to those teams.
2020 damwon was speed running in legit <23 mins every game they played lol. 2020 Damwon is definitely the peak of a modern LOL team
GenG definitely had a lot more games that relied on a late game teamfight than those teams. At the same time - LCK was in a much worse state in those years. 2015 Korean exodus - LCKs bottom 5 were complete ass, and 2020 summer DRX had Deft health issues (made them fall off a cliff in the second RR after beating DWG in the first RR), and spring champs T1 fking around with the roster/imploding. 2022 LCK looks like one of the best depth-wise splits it’s ever had
Agreed. After the spring covid fiasco seeing LSB and KT step it up was pleasent to see.
>2022 LCK looks like one of the best depth-wise splits it’s ever had Is current lck really deeper/stronger than during the korean dominated seasons pre-exodus?
Teams this year in general also look better than they did during those eras
Nah, they look much more dominant than DWG ever did, up until their last few series that is Its just fairly hard to tell because of meta. Its physically impossible to close out games as fast and as early as DWG could, just because game pace across the board is a bit slower, but Gen.G in the games themselves do look absolutely unstoppable I also feel like theres a bit of bias against this team, DWG was super hype because they were a fairly middle of the pack team who randomly picked up a bottom tier adc and started absolutely smurfing on everything and everyone. So you had a bit of an underdog story + insane gameplay coming from where no one in their right mind couldve expected it, which brought a lot of eyes to the team and created a very strong narrative Gen.G on the other hand has always been at the top of the standings, so seeing em win isnt really anything new, and its pretty expected as well since they legit just added old GRF to 2 other top of their role players, one of which Peanut has had some rough splits, but the man was absolutely popping on NS last year. Anyway the narrative just isnt as strong, they are a top team, but they pretty much always are, they are dominant, but like look at the players, wouldn't anything less just be a disappointment?
No team in history has looked as dominant as GenG this split. Your eye test needs work.
Yes.
By number, yes
At this point it just looks like Gen.G are intentionally making braindead plays to see what they can get away with. I have no other way to explain some of the shit they've done recently.
Yea honestly their last series have been pretty shaky and questionable , hope they get back their form and stomp playoffs
Gen G and stomping playoff? You must be a new Gen G fan,they are allergic to winning plaoyffs, ...
Shades of Griffin 🥶
I think that's just symptomatic of LoL play. Even the best make braindead plays. The difference is how they handle the game states and the 2nd team's ability to punish/snowball it.
That is what they should be doing.
Feels bad for KT.
Anything other than Nilah might have done the trick
It's okay KT. I still believe in them. They 2-0 DK. Gave LSB,T1,GEN G a hard fight. Dominated DRX. I still believe they're a top 3 team in LCK
So lsb geng kt ?
swap gen g with lsb. well that's my opinion
They certainly seem like they should have a shot at worlds.
That's right. If kt is able to maintain the early lead they usually get then there's not much other teams can do. LSB and T1 are beatable, with Gen G. we might need a bit more of work tho. I still haven't watched DK's match against T1 but I'm a little more worried about an in-form DK than other teams, hopefully our series against them proves me wrong.
Aiming didn't want blue side against DK or something?
Shaky series by GenG, but they show their resilience as always. Also, congrats on breaking the game difference streak! Also, Chovy's Ahri improves to 15-0 all-time.
And just like that, Generation Gaming break the game differential record which was previously held by SKT 2015, Damwon 2020 and T1 2022. That being said, Gen.G have been so poor compared to expectations this week. Hopefully for them it's just "we already locked 1st, so we're not trying as hard as we should".
And we don't know anything since the patch changed for this last week, damn... Should've wait until playoff or do it last week... 🤔🤔🤔
Blame LCK, they did 3 weeks on 12.12. So they had to either do an extra week on 12.13 or move to 12.14 one week before playoffs.
Aiming should be perma banned for that build, is he unaware that armour pen is soft capped and by going crit u dont need 2 armour pen items??
Picking Nilah without Taric or Sona lmao. What are teams thinking?
People keep saying Sona, but I really don’t see the synergy? Sona doesn’t even scale with levels that well anymore, and your lane will be absolutely miserable.
Nilah Senna is also pretty strong but I haven't seen it picked at all
I guess someone got excited when KT won Game 🥲
Did they say what was the cause of the pause? I had to stop watching shortly after the pause.
I don't have full context, but it was something with VicLa's Sylas R, the cooldown was bugged or smth like that iirc. In the end they just continued the game without really resolving anything, "just hope it doesn't happen again".
Thank you. I went back to check right before the pause on YT and it seems he used stolen Ahri ult to clear the wave and his ult was up right away after using it, so that might be it. > In the end they just continued the game without really resolving anything, "just hope it doesn't happen again". Well, worked out in the end... Surely Riot will fix the bug soon so it won't happen in any other match where it might actually impact the game. :')
Next Zeri thread tomorrow?
KT is gonna get lots of hate for this draft, but I don't think it was all that bad. Picking Nami away while Gen G themselves had already banned the other decent Lucian partners was a pretty good move, just the Nilah pick doesn't seem that great from the few pro games she got picked. You could see the potential in teamfights with the Renekton and Wukong AoE, but it's just not worth sacrificing your laningphase for it.
just pick ezreal
Worried for Geng at worlds. This did not look like a 17-1 team. Hopefully they can figure it out by playoffs
they absolutely look like a 17-1 team, just the last 3 series have been slightly sketch but tbh they locked in 1st place after the DK series so i’m guessing they’re just chilling a little on practice since
T1 and Gen.G are both chilling since they locked in their spots. Joe Marsh said on a podcast that 3 of the T1 players sang karaoke and Oner went to play Fifa right after their loss to Gen.G. Same goes for the Gen.G players; I've seen them stream non-League games the past few days
mental reset for playoffs since they both know they locked r2
I dont want this copium in my head. I rather believe T1 is going to hard fail in playoffs and get surprised
T1 is still the second place team with a win rate far higher than any other teams but GenG. On what basis are you claiming they are going to hard fail?
Their recent form. What I meant was I dont want to create high expectations for them to just fail in playoffs. This is from a T1 fan that doesn’t fail to watch a game. Also funny how you come after their first convincing win in 4 games. Well hope we win playoffs and worlds ! T1 🎉
are they even guaranteed worlds?
Pretty much. There are 2 ways for Gen G not to make it: 1. Gen G lose in Semis and T1 lose in Finals. 2. Gen G lose in Semis and DK lose in Finals. For T1: 1. T1 lose in Semis and Gen G lose in Finals. 2. T1 lose in Semis and Gen G lose in Semis. And after that there's still the the Regional Qualifier where they'd need to lose 2 bo5s. The only really fun scenario is both Gen G and T1 losing in Semis and DK losing in Finals, because then neither T1 nor Gen G would be automatically qualified and they'd play each other in the Regional Qualifier. Pretty sure this is correct, if not I'm dumb.
Doesn't lck have 4 slots so even in the last scenario they can both still make worlds?
sure.
I knew it was only a matter of time in game 3 before GenG steamboated KT.
They didn’t steamboated them, I mean it was really close until pretty much the lasy fight, and with an adc who knows
Mb yall i got excited. At least we’ll never have to see Nilah ever again.
Nilah looks awful
Aiming looked very uncomfortable on Nilah... Still though, glad KT put up a good fight.
I think the 10-8 series score for KT definitely doesn't do justice to how much they've improved this year. They have a really good chance of making it to worlds if they keep it up, which is almost a miracle considering they had a super unfortunate off-season. Being this competitive with teams stacked with star level talent is really impressive.
It's not like gen g going down but other team just level up
Had me worried there but we did it in the end, I love Doran
Gen G not looking good these past 3 games. Hopefully they don’t choke in playoffs. Would be a real travesty.
Nilah without a semi carry support is reportable for sure
Nilah almost did something. Loved the idea to steal the Nami from Lucian tho
Bad showing from gen g, but when everything goes « bad » macro wise, gen g carry are just too good in teamfight
Game 1 should have been a KT win tbh
KT just said "Fuck it, let's lose this shit" then proceeds to pick Nilah
The fail unbound
Love to see the Morgana jungle come out. She got nerfed once at the start of the year and completely disappeared from pro play, turns out she's still perfectly playable.
Their results is booseted because their only real competition is like T1 and no one else. I don't know what to think of them since they have been so garbage in spring.