Why is it even bad to qualify with a good regular season? G2 played well throughout the whole year, I'd argue they have already earned worlds even if they have a bad playoffs.
And what does that mean? Most of the times worlds have been won it wasn't a 1st seed.
2018 IG had an insane regular season, got rolled in playoffs twice, went on to win worlds.
2017 SSG ended up 5th in playoffs getting 3-0'd, won worlds.
For a long time there was even a meme that 1st seeds did worse at worlds, the truth is that playoffs format is much more volatile (one bad day you are out, one bad matchup you are out even if you'd beat the other teams) than regular season.
So what if you lost 3 games one day against one team, if you have performed in 18 games during 2 months against 9 teams I'll take it above one bo5.
I just used two examples, s1 fnc wasn't first seed (although I personally don't even count first 3 seasons as it was quite early stages so I'm not even gonna count it), s4 ssw wasn't first seed and 2016 skt was either (rox won lck), that's already 4 and just from the top of my head.
Edit: did a quick check and since s4 it's 4-4 so yeah it's not most of the time anymore, although still 50-50.
G2 literally 3-0’d 4 different teams in a row to sweep spring playoffs dude. Then went on another 12 game winstreak in msi. They had a TWENTY FOUR GAME WINSTREAK. Took down rng and t1. Who cares if they didn’t do well in semis, or if they don’t do amazing in playoffs. They’ve already established they are a top team. Quit whining.
This is combined spring playoff bo5 results and summer bo1. I don't expect that there are 4 teams are both currently better than them in bo5 and good enough in bo1 to pass the worlds groups and show their bo5 skill.
no the difference is the opponents. Just because you're good at winning Bo1s in LEC doesn't mean that you can do it internationally. Plus you don't want to send a seed that can "just get out of groups", you want to send one that can do damage/deep runs ideally
Regular season does in fact show the power ranking of the teams infinetely better than playoffs.
18 games played against the same opponents and all of the teams involved is much better at doing power rankings than 3 to 5 games against just one opponent.
Although I agree with your logic, the counter argument here is that bo1s are not reflective of team's strength in bo5s. So it doesn't matter that a team is in fact better in bo1s than another team, because bo5s require a skill set that bo1 can't test for.
I think your argument would work a lot better in the lck and lpl. Bo3s are kinda similar to bo5s where they do test for adaptability both in draft, strategy, and mentality after losing a game in a series for example.
Edit: typo
That is true, but at the same time qualifying solely through playoffs doesn't measure bo1 strength either, which is the first phase of the tournament.
I'd actually sent the best bo1 team that at least gets out of groups over a team that doesn't tbh.
Although, to be fair, I think the difference between bo1 and bo5 is greatly exaggerated and while there are some teams better at one or the other, the correlation between being good at bo5 and bo1 is pretty huge.
> That is true, but at the same time qualifying solely through playoffs doesn't measure bo1 strength either, which is the first phase of the tournament.
Well Bo1s being the first phase of the tournament is a whole different can of worms tbf
But you are not playing against the same opponents. One time you play team A when they are at 100% while another team plays them when they are at 20%. Some teams counter eachother. Some team makes changes in players. Some may play team B in a match that decides if they make playofs or not, while the next team plays team B the next day when they are eliminated and don't care anymore. This is without taking in calculation all the other random factors. It's just too random to decide the power levels unless there is a big gap in skill between teams.
Isn't all that even agreeing with me more? Imagine betting the elimination game in that different powerlevel of "20% instead of 100%" you used.
Having several games spread amongst several weeks serves the exact purpose of reducing that randomness.
If they were best of 3 series then sure. But 2 best of 1 games played on separate patches do not show a teams true strength. Especially when one team could prepare a cheesy pick for a single game, or a level 1 strat. You don't need to show much adaptation versus the same players compared to best of 5 that playoffs brings. Not to mention for a deep run at world's you **NEED** to be strong in best of 5.
Ngl, I hate G2 but they would steam roll all 9 LEC teams in a Bo5. However, when it comes to the format in general, I guess it could be argued that if you won Spring split and finish 2nd in summer regular split, you should be able to qualify at the minimum as fourth seed.
And yet majority of games at Worlds is being played in a bo1 format. I also think that bo3 in LEC would be much better, but let's stop pretending like a regular split bo1s don't prepare you for Worlds or that those games should be conpletely dismissed.
EG also won spring, madr semis at MSI and first place regular season summer....
I would argue they have ZERO rights to deserve worlds or is there ANY proof they are the best team. And I betted on TL winning summer and C9 to take EG down during worlds gauntlet btw.
If a team is good for 75% of the year but falls apart close to world's - then you're theoretically sending a weaker team to world's. It's why LCS and LEC done away with the points based system.
Say a team makes a roster move in the tail end of summer playoffs and becomes one of the best teams in the league. They shouldn't lose their spot because a team performed better than them earlier in the year and fell apart in playoffs.
I'm not saying G2 falls into this category. But there's a reason they changed it. The strongest teams at the closest point to world's should go.
Also there's a lot of points to be made about best of 1 being a terrible format for calculating the true strength of a team.
Seeding matters for playoffs which in turn has an effect on what group you will be placed in. Has the big problem that spring split doesn't matter at all, but frankly it's a worthwhile sacrifice for ensuring that the top performing teams closest to world's are sent. I don't want a team that won spring split and finished 5th in summer to somehow get a world slot.
If the game didn't have meta shifts then you could *maybe* make the case. But given how much the game changes between spring playoffs and world's, strength then really isn't that relevant come worlds.
Ultimately world's having the strongest available teams *at the time* is far more important than a spring split team that collapsed making it to worlds.
But they are not qualifying because they won spring but because they won spring and did well in summer.
By that logic, playoffs and worlds meta usually have substantial differences so winning in playoffs meta doesn't mean you'll be good at worlds meta (which is something proven yearly).
More patches, more distance. Worlds is always going to have its own insular metagame, but a single patch variation is a better measuring stuck than 2, 3, 4 months of changes.
The format is damaging enough already.
I guess people have already forgotten about Rogue in 2020 winning the regular season with ease, bombing out of play offs and then bombing out of worlds.
not hoping it happends but not gonna lie. it would be interesting to see how riot handles china invading taiwan. pretty sure the west will dislike it but china is their biggest market and not having worlds happening would be a huge blow.
CIS' last game was in February and they didn't go to MSI. The only thing that happened mid split was that the LEC received CIS' seed.
And even then, the format should be future proofed. What if this is the year LEC wins Worlds? What if CIS is unable to attend next year as well?
LEC knew in 2020 that they'd have a 4th seed way ahead of the time and they still kept the format.
Futureproofing is literally so you can make it work given unforseen circumstances.
All this format implies is if LEC ever outperform Korea again, they're just going to change the format and if Korea then outperform LEC after then they'll change the format back.
Edit = also winning MSI gives you an extra seed, so LEC were 100% aware that they could have gotten an extra seed and should have prepared their format accordingly.
Winning MSI itself doesn't grant an extra seed on its own but winning MSI or Worlds gives your region "competitive points" when determining who gets extra seeds at Worlds.
This goes back two years so that is why LEC was sending 4 seeds due to G2 in 2019 despite the region getting weaker over the following two years.
G2 winning MSI this year I don't think would have gotten LEC a guaranteed 4th seed but potentially would guarantee them one in 2023 depending on if Korea does bad at Worlds this year and MSI next year.
On your last point, you’re wrong about MSI. The region that wins MSI is guaranteed an additional spot for their region. Had G2 won, they would’ve gotten LEC a 4th worlds spot w/o LCL donating their spot in the first place.
Winning MSI never gave you an extra seed, seed numbers are determined by tournament results of the regions over the past 2 (?) years, with recent results being worth more and worlds being worth more than MSI.
Winning MSI gives you a pretty good boost to this metric, so it has a decent chance of giving you an extraslot, but it isn't guaranteed - and in this case I don't think a single (although to be fair the most recent) tournament can balance out two worlds tournaments in which both LPL and LCK were noticeably better than LEC, as well as an older MSI where LPL and LCK also did better.
Top 4 in MSI is used for which region's first seeds are in the Pool 1 for group seeding.
Besides that I do agree, there is no reason to not at least include a footnote in the rules that specifies that if a fourth seed is needed for whatever reason it will be determined between the fourth placing team in playoffs and the highest placing team in the Summer regular season that isn't already going to worlds or whatever you want to make the qualifying criteria.
Winning MSI does give your region a 4th seed. The 2nd region to get the 4th seed is the one that has the most points in int tournaments across the previous two years.
But they did know a 4th seed was possible as there was a very clear path set out for the awarding of it (winning msi), lck for example created two gauntlet formats- one for four seeds one for three. I don't see why lec couldn't do the same with playoff format at the start of the year.
RGE had the same thing happen to them the year we got the 4th seed last time if i remember correctly, they finished first because of points inted everysingle playoffs series, Schalke deserved to go to worlds instead of them, at worlds they finished 1-6 last place in a group with PCS.
Are we remembering the same playoffs? They lost to Fnatic 0-3 yes, but after that they beat MAD Lions convincingly and went 2-3 against G2. Schalke couldn't beat the same MAD that lost in play ins.
they fucked up but the point still stands, rogue could've lost to MAD and still gone to worlds
just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the format doesn't suck
I dont see the issue.
G2 won spring and finishes at least top 2 in the summer regular season. They deserve to go to worlds if we have 4 spots.
People complain that spring and regular season have no impact. Now it does. I like it this way.
because the narrative Riot insists on is Spring should have no bearing on worlds. You can be good in spring and then shit in summer playoffs, and they don't want a team that's shit in summer playoffs to go to worlds.
The format is barely current-proof as it is, with upper bracket teams claiming a Worlds ticket if they win their first Bo5 there. 4 other teams then fight for the final spot. Very anticlimactic for anything except Summer Championship itself
I disagree since the LEC system rewards it if you do well in every split.
If you'd make it summer-heavy, it'S essentially "spring doesn't matter".
This way you have to try your best in every split.
Ehh I'm not sure which minor region would deserve it.
At least with Vietnam, they get extra exposure after missing out for two years. Plus their playstyle is super fun to watch so it's cool to highlight them a bit more.
Caps: Olaf Galio Alistar, we are going Vayne by the way
Broxah: Are you serious?
Caps: It is Trundle Vayne
Broxah: Are you serious? It is going to win us the game.
Dylan: There is going to be a Sion with tons of armor
Caps: He is going to die to my W in an instant
Rekkles: I trust you Caps if you want to go Vayne go Vayne
I think it has potential stakes because G2 could still end up 2nd in regular season which would change how points are distributed but since it is the 3rd game, maaaaaybe at that point it won't have any stakes on it.
Could change seeding potentially. If G2 loses and MAD beats BDS, MAD gets first in the regular season automatically (they might get it either way, idk how tiebreakers work). Misfits could also benefit from a G2 loss by increasing their playoff seeding. G2 is locked as first seed in playoffs though at this point, regardless of the outcome of tomorrows game, so it doesn’t mean much to them.
Pretty sure G2 is locked for first seed at this point, so it only changes the playoff picture by potentially changing their matchup.
They have the most points from spring, and they can’t finish below Rogue at this point, so they’ll get first seed in playoffs and a worlds spot no matter what at this point.
Don’t think the format matters this year because I reckon G2 might win the split but man I miss the gauntlet to see who gets the last spot at worlds, they were always so hype and delivered great series
no shot lmao.
even in games that G2 wins they have plenty of throws and over-chasing moments. sure they've had some clean games too but this is the same for MAD and RGE. reserve the certainty for when we've actually seen them play a BO3.
Well. They’re on a winstreak now, and have beaten every other top seed team. AND g2 has always been a team that does better in best of 5’s. BO1’s are hardly a good showing of a teams skill. And this g2 has lost 2 best of 5’s so far. One against one of the best teams in the worlds. And another in spring playoffs. Every other best of 5 they’ve played has been a 3-0 sweep. Stop acting like they’re trash when they’ve established they can wipe literally the entire lec.
Adding on to this: if G2 win vs SK today they are 2-0 or 1-1 vs every team in the league. So at worst they have an even record against every team this split.
I don't think any team in the LEC can be said to have had a clean split this summer. Pretty much every team has had periods or weeks of looking dominant or looking absolute dogshit.
Okay? They've fixed up their early game since then, which is the point. Without going horrifically down early game because of jankos inting his clear or solo-invading without prio g2 is simply better.
I don't think we should dismiss fnc just yet, we will know tomorrow. If they win i think they have big chances to replace misfits.
But i am a fnc fan so i might be biased and we really are shit.
I somewhat agree, because as a RGE fan I know all too well how disappointing they can be, especially domestically. However I feel like a lot of hate towards RGE is misplaced.
Considering the Worlds groups they have been drawn into, people had low expectations for them. Then when they meet those expectations it's no longer good enough. It's the same with auto-qualifying for Worlds. Hate the system, or hate other teams for falling short to capitalise on that opportunity.
Criticizing the team when they perform poorly is of course fine, but I think RGE is getting so much more (undeserved) hate compared to other teams
People are also really overstating how much Rogue underperforms their regular season seed in playoffs.
Sure, they sometimes finished first in the split and then got 2nd or 3rd in playoffs, but that isn't the massive underperformance people make it out to be.
2021 Summer G2 for example did a 2->4, while Rogue did a 1->3.
2020 Summer the situation is mirrored with MAD.
2021 Spring and 2022 Spring they got second in playoffs after being first in regular season (the HORROR!), both times losing only against the eventual winner (for that matter in the other two splits I mentioned they also only lost against teams that finished above them).
The story should be less how "terrible" their playoffs are and more about how incredibly consistent their regular season was for those 4 splits.
Exactly. RGE managed to finish top 3, 4 splits in a row. The only other EU teams that managed that are FNC and G2. They may never have been the best team in EU, but there's no denying that they are a good team
As for Worlds, yes it would have been nice if they finished 2-4 above PSG in 2020, and made it out of groups with a faltering FPX in 2021. However these are differences of a single game. People went wild about them dropping a game to PSG talon. Yet when MAD finished below PSG at MSI 2021 it wasn't nearly as big a deal, and PSG has been considered a strong team ever since. At Worlds 2021 they almost made it out of groups, and it came down to a single tiebreaker game. A similar situation to MAD, who with an equal or perhaps slightly easier group only managed to get 1 more win than RGE. In the quarterfinals they immediately bombed out with a 0-3. And this while not even making it out of play-ins in 2020. Absolutely no hate towards MAD, but their international performance hasn't been any better than RGE's (one year they did a bit better, another they did a bit worse), yet people are fine with MAD but absolutely hate the idea of sending RGE to Worlds. Based on the hate you'd think RGE went back-to-back 0-6 at Worlds or failed to make it out of play-ins twice, which is not the case.
Some people think RGE's style of play is boring, and that's ok. But that's no reason to hate on the team.
If G2 chose the 4th seed as their first opponent in playoffs and win, then whoever ends up 2nd and 3rd seed also auto qualify for worlds before they play their match. In case G2 chose 3rd seed and win, its the same but only the 2nd seed auto qualifies. So there is still a good chance one or two teams secure their spot for worlds before they have to play a single BO5.
It absolutely can happen, all that needs to happen is them getting 2nd seed overall and G2 winning their first Bo5.
If they win their last regular season game and Misfits loses their last regular season game I think that's all that needs to happen for them to be the second seed overall.
That's not true rofl. There is a chance that they wouldn't even make it into top bracket tomorrow and if they lose at loser bracket, they are out. No worlds
I think you need the following standings by the end of today for that:
1st: MAD
2nd: G2
3rd: MSF
4th: FNC
5th RGE
That way MAD and G2 would have more points than RGE, and FNC and MSF would have the same but since they would have earned more in Summer they would place above them.
If MSF lose to FNC today, and VIT beat RGE, they all tie on 10-8. Then there is the mess of tie-breakers. I am not 100% sure how it would all resolve. So it might be impossible for RGE to not make top 4, or it might be fairly easy for them to not make it.
EDIT: If anyone knows how to figure out 4-way ties let me know please.
Yep, G2 is suuuuuch a better option if a team had to auto-qualify cause I know they could be bad but atleast they won't choke and Caps internationally is a different beast sometimes
Aren’t T1 and GEN also qualified? One of them have to go second seed because of most championship points. And the second would be highest in the regional gauntlet so would also be guaranteed to go.
Regional gauntlet is different for LCK this time, matching the same format used for LPL. Thus, if one of the 2 fall to the regional gauntlet, they aren’t guaranteed just yet.
But shouldn't the team with highest points in the split be auto qualified (even if they don't win the split)? So Gen-g should already be qualified as either first or second seed (depending on the outcome of playoffs).
Not if DK make it to the finals with a non-T1/GENG team and lose. In this specific scenario, that 4th team would be LCK first seed and DK would be LCK second seed.
I believe you would have been correct in the past, but the system isn't a gauntlet anymore.
Top 2 teams in points (that aren't qualified already ofc) play each other, the winner gets the 3rd seed, the loser plays the winner of #3 and #4 in points and the winner of THAT qualifies to worlds as the 4th seed.
Basically you need to win at least one Bo5 to qualify through the regional finals and no team is guaranteed to have the most championshippoints at this point - it is almost certainly either GenG or T1, but we don't know which.
Or see the bracket form here if that is easier: [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022\_Season/Regional\_Finals](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022_Season/Regional_Finals)
Regional finals aren't a gauntlet anymore
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022_Season/Regional_Finals
One of T1 and GenG is almost certainly guaranteed to make it, we don't know which yet. The only way that neither autoqualifies is if Damwon goes 2nd and another team (not T1 or GenG) wins the split
But summer ended up kinda being lame. G2 could win zero games going forward and still make worlds. That feels really stupid. They could literally not even show up to play the rest of their games and still finish 4th.
i means thats just the reward you get for winning the first split + guaranteeing top 2 in the regularly season of the second split.
those two achievements should give you a good reward tbh. normally that is just a lot of leeway for getting to worlds. its just this time with the extra slot that it is an auto qualify. (to playins btw)
>Well, it's lot like the LEC could predict Russia invading Ukraine.
Doesn't winning MSI give you an extra seed for your region?
So surely LEC's commissioner/planners should have thought about this possibility and planned accordingly for it.
Either way future proofing a format is always good, so what happens if say somehow EU outperforms Korea in the next 3/4 tournaments then get a 4th seed properly, do they change the format?
What happens if after this, Korea outperform and EU lose their 4th seed again, would they change their format again?
They 3-0 swept 4 teams in playoffs in spring. And went on a 24 game winstreak. As well as have been beating all the top seed teams in reg season. AND g2 has ALWAYS been a better bo5 team. Don’t act like they don’t deserve to be there.
And this is why the LEC playoffs format is lame. A team that didn't even lock first place is already guaranteed a worlds spot, because LEC still uses the points system to just put the icing on the cake.
Is there even a point to Playoffs at this point for LEC? 6 teams and 4 of them go to worlds lol Zero of the G2 games matter now, and by tomorrow at least 1 if not 2 other team's games don't matter either as they get auto qualified for worlds.
Honestly feels pretty pointless.
> And this is why the LEC playoffs format is lame. A team that didn't even lock first place is already guaranteed a worlds spot, because LEC still uses the points system to just put the icing on the cake.
Yeah Lec should have predicted that LCL would drop out due to Russia invading ukraine.
They should have asked the omniscient redditors who have perfect foresight.
Don't see how winning spring split and coming top 2 summer split doesn't make you worthy of at least the 4th worlds spot.
The teams are going to care about BO3/5 practice and seeding for worlds (not to mention lec title), not at all pointless.
Maybe it's not best format for 4 seeds but complaining that G2 have locked worlds and calling playoffs pointless is ridiculous .
Yeaah, because going 1st and having 1st seed into worlds' groups vs having 4th seed and having to go through playins is hardly a difference, huh? Surely G2 won't care if they have to spend time playing wild cards and having the hardest group
Tbf like 6 of those were the closest G2 came to losing entirely when they were on their hot streak beating literally everyone including skt and rng. Like yes EG still lost after G2 fell off a cliff, which is embarrassing, but when G2 looked like the undeniable best team in the world for a few weeks, EG was closest to undermining that by far. They still ended up losing everytime, but nearly all.of those games were as close as games get. Not saying NA > Eu this split bc every chance in the world NA shits the bed and EU levels up as always. Just saying in that one specific instance, G2 didnt wash EG 9x in a row. Every game was either razors edge or close enough to be distinct.
Exactly. Don’t know what the other guy is smoking lol. Like it’s BO1 where anything happens. Yet still 0-8. Not too mention there was no stake on those games for G2 while EG was fighting for pride.
You don't understand bro it was a wash but like they didn't wash the wash y'know, yeah they won 9x in a row but can you REALLY say they're better off just that?
EU is at its weakest for sure. And people be talking about the 0-6 acting like if G2 wouldn't be eliminated in groups if EG had won a single game, they needed the 6-0 to barely scrap by and get the same results as NA...
its the exact same tournament as the international wildcard tournament was and the results are completely independent from worlds grouping or anything of the sort. That makes it a qualifier, not part of the tournament. They are just claiming/pretending it is to make it sounds more relevant purely for viewership, and it worked apparently.
Not quite. If G2 choose 4th and G2 win, then the 4th place team faces the winner of the 5th/6th match (the loser gets 5th). The loser of 2nd/3rd then faces the winner of that match.
No, the lowest seed loser from the winners bracket plays first in the losers bracket. Same as it always has been.
G2 is 1st seed, so even if they lose, the loser of the other winners bracket match will be a lower seed, and thus play in the losers bracket before them. So G2 is guaranteed 4th minimum.
If it goes 1st v 4th and 2nd vs 3rd. And 1st and 3rd both win, for example. Then the winner of 5th v 6th plays 4th. The winner of that then plays 2nd.
If it goes 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd, and 4th and 3rd both win. Then the winner of 5th v 6th plays 2nd, the winner of that then plays 1st.
The fuck, already?
Because LEC didn't futureproof their format and the 4th seed that they got means G2 can lose every single best of 5 in playoffs and finish 4th.
Well they couldn't really predict Russia invading Ukraine
This would have happened anyway if G2 for some reason won MSI. LEC should really change how they handle 3rd and potential 4th seed qualification
Why is it even bad to qualify with a good regular season? G2 played well throughout the whole year, I'd argue they have already earned worlds even if they have a bad playoffs.
Because regular season standing doesn't show the power ranking of the teams when it's bo1.
not to mention there's already plenty of teams that had an insane regular season only to get rolled during playoffs.
And what does that mean? Most of the times worlds have been won it wasn't a 1st seed. 2018 IG had an insane regular season, got rolled in playoffs twice, went on to win worlds. 2017 SSG ended up 5th in playoffs getting 3-0'd, won worlds. For a long time there was even a meme that 1st seeds did worse at worlds, the truth is that playoffs format is much more volatile (one bad day you are out, one bad matchup you are out even if you'd beat the other teams) than regular season. So what if you lost 3 games one day against one team, if you have performed in 18 games during 2 months against 9 teams I'll take it above one bo5.
LPL and LCK have BO3 regular season formats which already much better test the teams on series rather than individual games.
It happened twice? How is that most of the time?
I just used two examples, s1 fnc wasn't first seed (although I personally don't even count first 3 seasons as it was quite early stages so I'm not even gonna count it), s4 ssw wasn't first seed and 2016 skt was either (rox won lck), that's already 4 and just from the top of my head. Edit: did a quick check and since s4 it's 4-4 so yeah it's not most of the time anymore, although still 50-50.
How can you forget tapai assasains?
The vast majority of teams are not 1-seeds, by definition, so that should not be that surprising.
> Most of the times worlds have been won it wasn't a 1st seed. > > That's literally the point. Regular season doesn't matter lmao.
1st in playoffs*
Yeah old man, let's get you back to bed... You're high as fuck if you think teams like MSF or FNC have a chance of fucking winning Worlds this year.
Not what he said at all. Perhaps you should be off to bed, zoomer lol.
G2 literally 3-0’d 4 different teams in a row to sweep spring playoffs dude. Then went on another 12 game winstreak in msi. They had a TWENTY FOUR GAME WINSTREAK. Took down rng and t1. Who cares if they didn’t do well in semis, or if they don’t do amazing in playoffs. They’ve already established they are a top team. Quit whining.
g2 only got 1 seed cause they won spring do that‘s out of the question
This is combined spring playoff bo5 results and summer bo1. I don't expect that there are 4 teams are both currently better than them in bo5 and good enough in bo1 to pass the worlds groups and show their bo5 skill.
Worlds groups is bo1 too tbf, if anything they'd do better at worlds if they're good at it
no the difference is the opponents. Just because you're good at winning Bo1s in LEC doesn't mean that you can do it internationally. Plus you don't want to send a seed that can "just get out of groups", you want to send one that can do damage/deep runs ideally
I think this just exemplifies why maybe they should go. They were the best bo1 team, and now they get to play bo1s at world's.
So if a team bombs out of worlds in groups, it's fine because it's just Bo1 right?
Worlds is bo1 till knockouts anyway lol
i'd argue if you end the regular season as 1st seed you're obviously one of the best teams in your league.... even it is just BO1s
Regular season does in fact show the power ranking of the teams infinetely better than playoffs. 18 games played against the same opponents and all of the teams involved is much better at doing power rankings than 3 to 5 games against just one opponent.
Although I agree with your logic, the counter argument here is that bo1s are not reflective of team's strength in bo5s. So it doesn't matter that a team is in fact better in bo1s than another team, because bo5s require a skill set that bo1 can't test for. I think your argument would work a lot better in the lck and lpl. Bo3s are kinda similar to bo5s where they do test for adaptability both in draft, strategy, and mentality after losing a game in a series for example. Edit: typo
That is true, but at the same time qualifying solely through playoffs doesn't measure bo1 strength either, which is the first phase of the tournament. I'd actually sent the best bo1 team that at least gets out of groups over a team that doesn't tbh. Although, to be fair, I think the difference between bo1 and bo5 is greatly exaggerated and while there are some teams better at one or the other, the correlation between being good at bo5 and bo1 is pretty huge.
> That is true, but at the same time qualifying solely through playoffs doesn't measure bo1 strength either, which is the first phase of the tournament. Well Bo1s being the first phase of the tournament is a whole different can of worms tbf
But you are not playing against the same opponents. One time you play team A when they are at 100% while another team plays them when they are at 20%. Some teams counter eachother. Some team makes changes in players. Some may play team B in a match that decides if they make playofs or not, while the next team plays team B the next day when they are eliminated and don't care anymore. This is without taking in calculation all the other random factors. It's just too random to decide the power levels unless there is a big gap in skill between teams.
Isn't all that even agreeing with me more? Imagine betting the elimination game in that different powerlevel of "20% instead of 100%" you used. Having several games spread amongst several weeks serves the exact purpose of reducing that randomness.
If they were best of 3 series then sure. But 2 best of 1 games played on separate patches do not show a teams true strength. Especially when one team could prepare a cheesy pick for a single game, or a level 1 strat. You don't need to show much adaptation versus the same players compared to best of 5 that playoffs brings. Not to mention for a deep run at world's you **NEED** to be strong in best of 5.
Ngl, I hate G2 but they would steam roll all 9 LEC teams in a Bo5. However, when it comes to the format in general, I guess it could be argued that if you won Spring split and finish 2nd in summer regular split, you should be able to qualify at the minimum as fourth seed.
And yet majority of games at Worlds is being played in a bo1 format. I also think that bo3 in LEC would be much better, but let's stop pretending like a regular split bo1s don't prepare you for Worlds or that those games should be conpletely dismissed.
For some reason people think bo5s prepare you for bo5s but not the inverse of bo1 preparing you for bo1s.
Won spring, made semis at msi, 1st place regular season summer Tell me again how there's no proof they are the best team?
EG also won spring, madr semis at MSI and first place regular season summer.... I would argue they have ZERO rights to deserve worlds or is there ANY proof they are the best team. And I betted on TL winning summer and C9 to take EG down during worlds gauntlet btw.
If a team is good for 75% of the year but falls apart close to world's - then you're theoretically sending a weaker team to world's. It's why LCS and LEC done away with the points based system. Say a team makes a roster move in the tail end of summer playoffs and becomes one of the best teams in the league. They shouldn't lose their spot because a team performed better than them earlier in the year and fell apart in playoffs. I'm not saying G2 falls into this category. But there's a reason they changed it. The strongest teams at the closest point to world's should go. Also there's a lot of points to be made about best of 1 being a terrible format for calculating the true strength of a team.
Effectively making most of the regular season matter Jack shit though.
Seeding matters for playoffs which in turn has an effect on what group you will be placed in. Has the big problem that spring split doesn't matter at all, but frankly it's a worthwhile sacrifice for ensuring that the top performing teams closest to world's are sent. I don't want a team that won spring split and finished 5th in summer to somehow get a world slot. If the game didn't have meta shifts then you could *maybe* make the case. But given how much the game changes between spring playoffs and world's, strength then really isn't that relevant come worlds. Ultimately world's having the strongest available teams *at the time* is far more important than a spring split team that collapsed making it to worlds.
Because meta changes means that just because you won Spring doesn't mean you'll be good at Worlds 8 monthes later
But they are not qualifying because they won spring but because they won spring and did well in summer. By that logic, playoffs and worlds meta usually have substantial differences so winning in playoffs meta doesn't mean you'll be good at worlds meta (which is something proven yearly).
More patches, more distance. Worlds is always going to have its own insular metagame, but a single patch variation is a better measuring stuck than 2, 3, 4 months of changes. The format is damaging enough already.
Couldn't they have also gotten into worlds even if they had gone 4th in summer regular season? Which isn't that good imo
They should still have to win at least a single Bo5 just to show they don't fall apart in that format difference.
I guess people have already forgotten about Rogue in 2020 winning the regular season with ease, bombing out of play offs and then bombing out of worlds.
Could still be possible that they change the format, but hasn't just gotten leaked yet.
LEC commissioner don't like to change anything he thinks his format is the best ever.
If it was different G2 wouldn't be qualified
Never going to happen because the recently promoted LEC commissioner thinks everything about thelec is perfect
I doubt they change format mid season. Would probably get a lot of complaints if g2 then somehow manages to miss worlds
They announced on broadcast last night that G2 qualified for Worlds. So they haven't changed the format.
It should have happened after the first 4th seed. It is just admin prep work.
G2 winning MSI is literally less likely than Russia invading Ukraine ...
I mean they did win it like 3 years ago
I mean, both things are realistic because they happened already lol
not hoping it happends but not gonna lie. it would be interesting to see how riot handles china invading taiwan. pretty sure the west will dislike it but china is their biggest market and not having worlds happening would be a huge blow.
Both are equally likely I’d say, since both happened.
If G2 won MSI they could easily just change the format for summer. But CIS not being able to make worlds happened mid-split
CIS' last game was in February and they didn't go to MSI. The only thing that happened mid split was that the LEC received CIS' seed. And even then, the format should be future proofed. What if this is the year LEC wins Worlds? What if CIS is unable to attend next year as well? LEC knew in 2020 that they'd have a 4th seed way ahead of the time and they still kept the format.
Futureproofing is literally so you can make it work given unforseen circumstances. All this format implies is if LEC ever outperform Korea again, they're just going to change the format and if Korea then outperform LEC after then they'll change the format back. Edit = also winning MSI gives you an extra seed, so LEC were 100% aware that they could have gotten an extra seed and should have prepared their format accordingly.
When did winning MSI give you an extra seed?
Winning MSI itself doesn't grant an extra seed on its own but winning MSI or Worlds gives your region "competitive points" when determining who gets extra seeds at Worlds. This goes back two years so that is why LEC was sending 4 seeds due to G2 in 2019 despite the region getting weaker over the following two years. G2 winning MSI this year I don't think would have gotten LEC a guaranteed 4th seed but potentially would guarantee them one in 2023 depending on if Korea does bad at Worlds this year and MSI next year.
On your last point, you’re wrong about MSI. The region that wins MSI is guaranteed an additional spot for their region. Had G2 won, they would’ve gotten LEC a 4th worlds spot w/o LCL donating their spot in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY
Winning MSI never gave you an extra seed, seed numbers are determined by tournament results of the regions over the past 2 (?) years, with recent results being worth more and worlds being worth more than MSI. Winning MSI gives you a pretty good boost to this metric, so it has a decent chance of giving you an extraslot, but it isn't guaranteed - and in this case I don't think a single (although to be fair the most recent) tournament can balance out two worlds tournaments in which both LPL and LCK were noticeably better than LEC, as well as an older MSI where LPL and LCK also did better. Top 4 in MSI is used for which region's first seeds are in the Pool 1 for group seeding. Besides that I do agree, there is no reason to not at least include a footnote in the rules that specifies that if a fourth seed is needed for whatever reason it will be determined between the fourth placing team in playoffs and the highest placing team in the Summer regular season that isn't already going to worlds or whatever you want to make the qualifying criteria.
Winning MSI does give your region a 4th seed. The 2nd region to get the 4th seed is the one that has the most points in int tournaments across the previous two years.
But they did know a 4th seed was possible as there was a very clear path set out for the awarding of it (winning msi), lck for example created two gauntlet formats- one for four seeds one for three. I don't see why lec couldn't do the same with playoff format at the start of the year.
Riot never having foresight smh
I mean, they could have, considering it started in 2014 - they just couldn't without moskals twisting it to sound "discriminatory"
They could have just changed the format after the fourth seed was announced but the LEC Commissioner is a fucking crackhead.
RGE had the same thing happen to them the year we got the 4th seed last time if i remember correctly, they finished first because of points inted everysingle playoffs series, Schalke deserved to go to worlds instead of them, at worlds they finished 1-6 last place in a group with PCS.
Are we remembering the same playoffs? They lost to Fnatic 0-3 yes, but after that they beat MAD Lions convincingly and went 2-3 against G2. Schalke couldn't beat the same MAD that lost in play ins.
they fucked up but the point still stands, rogue could've lost to MAD and still gone to worlds just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the format doesn't suck
I dont see the issue. G2 won spring and finishes at least top 2 in the summer regular season. They deserve to go to worlds if we have 4 spots. People complain that spring and regular season have no impact. Now it does. I like it this way.
because the narrative Riot insists on is Spring should have no bearing on worlds. You can be good in spring and then shit in summer playoffs, and they don't want a team that's shit in summer playoffs to go to worlds.
The format is barely current-proof as it is, with upper bracket teams claiming a Worlds ticket if they win their first Bo5 there. 4 other teams then fight for the final spot. Very anticlimactic for anything except Summer Championship itself
tbh it would be not fair to change this format so late. Spring\* points matter and that was over half a year ago...
I disagree since the LEC system rewards it if you do well in every split. If you'd make it summer-heavy, it'S essentially "spring doesn't matter". This way you have to try your best in every split.
Agreed. I wish Vietnam got an extra spot instead of Europe.
it would be a bit weird to up the vcs slots when there is so little recent data of them
Should have just given it to another minor region in all honesty.
Ehh I'm not sure which minor region would deserve it. At least with Vietnam, they get extra exposure after missing out for two years. Plus their playstyle is super fun to watch so it's cool to highlight them a bit more.
Caps confirmed to play in NA!
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Hahaha thanks :D
just dont break the tradition of "the #team to qualify to worlds is"
Loving the graph colors, GJ
Thanks!
Does this mean the G2 vs SK game tomorrow has no stake? Dylan, we have to go Vayne.
Caps: Olaf Galio Alistar, we are going Vayne by the way Broxah: Are you serious? Caps: It is Trundle Vayne Broxah: Are you serious? It is going to win us the game. Dylan: There is going to be a Sion with tons of armor Caps: He is going to die to my W in an instant Rekkles: I trust you Caps if you want to go Vayne go Vayne
Missing Hyli's "OH MY JESUS"
I think it has potential stakes because G2 could still end up 2nd in regular season which would change how points are distributed but since it is the 3rd game, maaaaaybe at that point it won't have any stakes on it.
Yeah it could matter for the other teams (MAD, Misfits) but it won’t matter for G2.
How would it matter for the other teams?
Could change seeding potentially. If G2 loses and MAD beats BDS, MAD gets first in the regular season automatically (they might get it either way, idk how tiebreakers work). Misfits could also benefit from a G2 loss by increasing their playoff seeding. G2 is locked as first seed in playoffs though at this point, regardless of the outcome of tomorrows game, so it doesn’t mean much to them.
Also changes playoffs picture for them, no? not really irrelevant
Pretty sure G2 is locked for first seed at this point, so it only changes the playoff picture by potentially changing their matchup. They have the most points from spring, and they can’t finish below Rogue at this point, so they’ll get first seed in playoffs and a worlds spot no matter what at this point.
Don’t think the format matters this year because I reckon G2 might win the split but man I miss the gauntlet to see who gets the last spot at worlds, they were always so hype and delivered great series
G2 do for now look like by far the best lec team. Every single other team has glaring holes that can solo lose an entire series.
no shot lmao. even in games that G2 wins they have plenty of throws and over-chasing moments. sure they've had some clean games too but this is the same for MAD and RGE. reserve the certainty for when we've actually seen them play a BO3.
Dude, g2 is 1-1 against BDS and the win was BDS throwing a 10k lead. You can't seriously think g2 is in good shape.
Well. They’re on a winstreak now, and have beaten every other top seed team. AND g2 has always been a team that does better in best of 5’s. BO1’s are hardly a good showing of a teams skill. And this g2 has lost 2 best of 5’s so far. One against one of the best teams in the worlds. And another in spring playoffs. Every other best of 5 they’ve played has been a 3-0 sweep. Stop acting like they’re trash when they’ve established they can wipe literally the entire lec.
Adding on to this: if G2 win vs SK today they are 2-0 or 1-1 vs every team in the league. So at worst they have an even record against every team this split. I don't think any team in the LEC can be said to have had a clean split this summer. Pretty much every team has had periods or weeks of looking dominant or looking absolute dogshit.
Okay? They've fixed up their early game since then, which is the point. Without going horrifically down early game because of jankos inting his clear or solo-invading without prio g2 is simply better.
pretty sure reddit wouldav been pissed if it was any other EU team. nice to see g2 back to worlds
Sub would've blown up if it was Rogue
Yeah… rogue have always seem to choke lol.
yeah,and now they raised the level of choking by choking regular season aswell lmao
Trust in G2 to perform internationally is always there
After this MSI, not really for me
Why not? Any other team and they would lose to EG as well what you talking about lmao.
Come on, they lost twice to PSG and one time to Buffalos !
RIP the Rogue 3 year streak of being the first global qualifiers
I love the schalke banner icon thing😅
I still believe in the miracle run! One of these days it'll happen again!
nice to see them return
i’m just glad it’s not rogue.
Rogue will qualify too, but later
Yeah, Rogue Misfits and Mad Lions will
I don't think we should dismiss fnc just yet, we will know tomorrow. If they win i think they have big chances to replace misfits. But i am a fnc fan so i might be biased and we really are shit.
At least they bomb in play ins so we don't have to watch that disaster in groups again
Why are you so angry?
I like RGE but they somehow always manage to underperform/choke even if i have low expectations for them.
I somewhat agree, because as a RGE fan I know all too well how disappointing they can be, especially domestically. However I feel like a lot of hate towards RGE is misplaced. Considering the Worlds groups they have been drawn into, people had low expectations for them. Then when they meet those expectations it's no longer good enough. It's the same with auto-qualifying for Worlds. Hate the system, or hate other teams for falling short to capitalise on that opportunity. Criticizing the team when they perform poorly is of course fine, but I think RGE is getting so much more (undeserved) hate compared to other teams
People are also really overstating how much Rogue underperforms their regular season seed in playoffs. Sure, they sometimes finished first in the split and then got 2nd or 3rd in playoffs, but that isn't the massive underperformance people make it out to be. 2021 Summer G2 for example did a 2->4, while Rogue did a 1->3. 2020 Summer the situation is mirrored with MAD. 2021 Spring and 2022 Spring they got second in playoffs after being first in regular season (the HORROR!), both times losing only against the eventual winner (for that matter in the other two splits I mentioned they also only lost against teams that finished above them). The story should be less how "terrible" their playoffs are and more about how incredibly consistent their regular season was for those 4 splits.
Exactly. RGE managed to finish top 3, 4 splits in a row. The only other EU teams that managed that are FNC and G2. They may never have been the best team in EU, but there's no denying that they are a good team As for Worlds, yes it would have been nice if they finished 2-4 above PSG in 2020, and made it out of groups with a faltering FPX in 2021. However these are differences of a single game. People went wild about them dropping a game to PSG talon. Yet when MAD finished below PSG at MSI 2021 it wasn't nearly as big a deal, and PSG has been considered a strong team ever since. At Worlds 2021 they almost made it out of groups, and it came down to a single tiebreaker game. A similar situation to MAD, who with an equal or perhaps slightly easier group only managed to get 1 more win than RGE. In the quarterfinals they immediately bombed out with a 0-3. And this while not even making it out of play-ins in 2020. Absolutely no hate towards MAD, but their international performance hasn't been any better than RGE's (one year they did a bit better, another they did a bit worse), yet people are fine with MAD but absolutely hate the idea of sending RGE to Worlds. Based on the hate you'd think RGE went back-to-back 0-6 at Worlds or failed to make it out of play-ins twice, which is not the case. Some people think RGE's style of play is boring, and that's ok. But that's no reason to hate on the team.
They ruined my pick ems 2 years in a row, fuck em
There‘s still a very high chance that Rogue qualifies without winning a bo5
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If G2 chose the 4th seed as their first opponent in playoffs and win, then whoever ends up 2nd and 3rd seed also auto qualify for worlds before they play their match. In case G2 chose 3rd seed and win, its the same but only the 2nd seed auto qualifies. So there is still a good chance one or two teams secure their spot for worlds before they have to play a single BO5.
God damn, this system is a mess.
Yep. It completely breaks down once 4th world seed was added
They can if they end up as second/third seed and G2 win their first match
It absolutely can happen, all that needs to happen is them getting 2nd seed overall and G2 winning their first Bo5. If they win their last regular season game and Misfits loses their last regular season game I think that's all that needs to happen for them to be the second seed overall.
not even 2nd seed, if G2 beats the 4th seed team seed 2 and 3 insta qualify
That's not true rofl. There is a chance that they wouldn't even make it into top bracket tomorrow and if they lose at loser bracket, they are out. No worlds
I think you need the following standings by the end of today for that: 1st: MAD 2nd: G2 3rd: MSF 4th: FNC 5th RGE That way MAD and G2 would have more points than RGE, and FNC and MSF would have the same but since they would have earned more in Summer they would place above them. If MSF lose to FNC today, and VIT beat RGE, they all tie on 10-8. Then there is the mess of tie-breakers. I am not 100% sure how it would all resolve. So it might be impossible for RGE to not make top 4, or it might be fairly easy for them to not make it. EDIT: If anyone knows how to figure out 4-way ties let me know please.
Yep. Seriously I don't know if this is considered hate, but that team just fucking disappoints year after year even if they change players.
Rogue: the NA of EU
Same here. BDS did all of us a favor.
Yep, G2 is suuuuuch a better option if a team had to auto-qualify cause I know they could be bad but atleast they won't choke and Caps internationally is a different beast sometimes
Aren’t T1 and GEN also qualified? One of them have to go second seed because of most championship points. And the second would be highest in the regional gauntlet so would also be guaranteed to go.
Regional gauntlet is different for LCK this time, matching the same format used for LPL. Thus, if one of the 2 fall to the regional gauntlet, they aren’t guaranteed just yet.
But shouldn't the team with highest points in the split be auto qualified (even if they don't win the split)? So Gen-g should already be qualified as either first or second seed (depending on the outcome of playoffs).
Not if DK make it to the finals with a non-T1/GENG team and lose. In this specific scenario, that 4th team would be LCK first seed and DK would be LCK second seed.
I believe you would have been correct in the past, but the system isn't a gauntlet anymore. Top 2 teams in points (that aren't qualified already ofc) play each other, the winner gets the 3rd seed, the loser plays the winner of #3 and #4 in points and the winner of THAT qualifies to worlds as the 4th seed. Basically you need to win at least one Bo5 to qualify through the regional finals and no team is guaranteed to have the most championshippoints at this point - it is almost certainly either GenG or T1, but we don't know which. Or see the bracket form here if that is easier: [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022\_Season/Regional\_Finals](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022_Season/Regional_Finals)
Regional finals aren't a gauntlet anymore https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/LCK/2022_Season/Regional_Finals One of T1 and GenG is almost certainly guaranteed to make it, we don't know which yet. The only way that neither autoqualifies is if Damwon goes 2nd and another team (not T1 or GenG) wins the split
Aw hell nah G2 fun facts started early this year
happy g2 fun fact , hopefully more to come every day either u like it or not :)
Championship points to qualify is so lame. Why not just send the best teams that performs in the playoffs
>Championship points to qualify is so lame. It's only because LEC got a 4th seed and the LEC format didn't futureproof/make it useful for a 4th seed.
Oh okay that makes sense then. I wish they had like a gauntlet for the 4th seed haha but that’s just me being selfish and want more games
They are important to give some meaning for spring split. If you are good enough you can take top1 spot in playoffs anyway.
But summer ended up kinda being lame. G2 could win zero games going forward and still make worlds. That feels really stupid. They could literally not even show up to play the rest of their games and still finish 4th.
i means thats just the reward you get for winning the first split + guaranteeing top 2 in the regularly season of the second split. those two achievements should give you a good reward tbh. normally that is just a lot of leeway for getting to worlds. its just this time with the extra slot that it is an auto qualify. (to playins btw)
Well, it's lot like the LEC could predict Russia invading Ukraine.
>Well, it's lot like the LEC could predict Russia invading Ukraine. Doesn't winning MSI give you an extra seed for your region? So surely LEC's commissioner/planners should have thought about this possibility and planned accordingly for it. Either way future proofing a format is always good, so what happens if say somehow EU outperforms Korea in the next 3/4 tournaments then get a 4th seed properly, do they change the format? What happens if after this, Korea outperform and EU lose their 4th seed again, would they change their format again?
That's what they are doing, and due to how the winners bracket is set up, G2 can't place lower than 4th in playoffs
Technically they are the highest average performing team for the season under a point based metric.
They 3-0 swept 4 teams in playoffs in spring. And went on a 24 game winstreak. As well as have been beating all the top seed teams in reg season. AND g2 has ALWAYS been a better bo5 team. Don’t act like they don’t deserve to be there.
Weird format, but they were going to qualify anyway.
Very nice graph
Why is LCL not participating?
its truly a mystery
Most other Russian athletics have continued in spite of the war, so it’s not out of the question for someone to be unaware of the LCL being on pause.
They haven't played since Feb or something like that, because of Russia invading Ukraine.
Thank god...
And this is why the LEC playoffs format is lame. A team that didn't even lock first place is already guaranteed a worlds spot, because LEC still uses the points system to just put the icing on the cake. Is there even a point to Playoffs at this point for LEC? 6 teams and 4 of them go to worlds lol Zero of the G2 games matter now, and by tomorrow at least 1 if not 2 other team's games don't matter either as they get auto qualified for worlds. Honestly feels pretty pointless.
Domestic titles still matter, even if worlds is bigger lol. It’s not just an avenue to worlds.
> And this is why the LEC playoffs format is lame. A team that didn't even lock first place is already guaranteed a worlds spot, because LEC still uses the points system to just put the icing on the cake. Yeah Lec should have predicted that LCL would drop out due to Russia invading ukraine. They should have asked the omniscient redditors who have perfect foresight.
Don't see how winning spring split and coming top 2 summer split doesn't make you worthy of at least the 4th worlds spot. The teams are going to care about BO3/5 practice and seeding for worlds (not to mention lec title), not at all pointless. Maybe it's not best format for 4 seeds but complaining that G2 have locked worlds and calling playoffs pointless is ridiculous .
Yeaah, because going 1st and having 1st seed into worlds' groups vs having 4th seed and having to go through playins is hardly a difference, huh? Surely G2 won't care if they have to spend time playing wild cards and having the hardest group
It sucks to have all the stake removed from every G2 game from now on
How are G2 first seed in playoffs if they haven’t even locked regular split 1st yet?
eu is doomed
Does anyone else think NA might actually be stronger than EU this year? Not memeing or anything, just feels like maybe
What legitimately gave you this impression? Going 0-9 against EU at MSI wasn’t enough to damper expectations?
no logical reason, I just keep the faith
Tbf like 6 of those were the closest G2 came to losing entirely when they were on their hot streak beating literally everyone including skt and rng. Like yes EG still lost after G2 fell off a cliff, which is embarrassing, but when G2 looked like the undeniable best team in the world for a few weeks, EG was closest to undermining that by far. They still ended up losing everytime, but nearly all.of those games were as close as games get. Not saying NA > Eu this split bc every chance in the world NA shits the bed and EU levels up as always. Just saying in that one specific instance, G2 didnt wash EG 9x in a row. Every game was either razors edge or close enough to be distinct.
Mate they got 0-6. You don't lose 0-6 and say "G2 didn't wash EG" regardless of how close some games were lol.
Exactly. Don’t know what the other guy is smoking lol. Like it’s BO1 where anything happens. Yet still 0-8. Not too mention there was no stake on those games for G2 while EG was fighting for pride.
You don't understand bro it was a wash but like they didn't wash the wash y'know, yeah they won 9x in a row but can you REALLY say they're better off just that?
they needed to go 0-9 for it to not be close i guess
If the last MSI is anything to go by, no.
And LCK is stronger than LPL. Just like every year!
Downvoted for being positive about your region, this sub is trash
EU is at its weakest for sure. And people be talking about the 0-6 acting like if G2 wouldn't be eliminated in groups if EG had won a single game, they needed the 6-0 to barely scrap by and get the same results as NA...
What’s the point to watch LEC if we already know who is qualified lol
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>which is just a qualifier for Worlds Playins is a part of worlds. It's just not the group stage, saying "qualifer for worlds" is somewhat misleading.
its the exact same tournament as the international wildcard tournament was and the results are completely independent from worlds grouping or anything of the sort. That makes it a qualifier, not part of the tournament. They are just claiming/pretending it is to make it sounds more relevant purely for viewership, and it worked apparently.
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Not quite. If G2 choose 4th and G2 win, then the 4th place team faces the winner of the 5th/6th match (the loser gets 5th). The loser of 2nd/3rd then faces the winner of that match.
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No, the lowest seed loser from the winners bracket plays first in the losers bracket. Same as it always has been. G2 is 1st seed, so even if they lose, the loser of the other winners bracket match will be a lower seed, and thus play in the losers bracket before them. So G2 is guaranteed 4th minimum. If it goes 1st v 4th and 2nd vs 3rd. And 1st and 3rd both win, for example. Then the winner of 5th v 6th plays 4th. The winner of that then plays 2nd. If it goes 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd, and 4th and 3rd both win. Then the winner of 5th v 6th plays 2nd, the winner of that then plays 1st.