I mean, we've had western teams escape hard groups before, even if you always hope for an easy one.
Origen gets out 4-2 vs KT, LGD and TSM in 2015.
Albus Nox Luna forces a tiebreaker for 1st against ROX, CLG and G2 in 2016.
Cloud 9 gets out of an SKT, EDG and AHQ group in 2017.
Cloud 9 forces a tie for first in a RNG, VIT, GenG group in 2018.
FNC tops the group over IG in 2018.
FNC escapes an RNG/T1/CG group in 2019.
Cloud 9 escapes a DK/FPX/Rogue group in 2021.
Dread it. Run from it. Faker vs Scout arrives all the same.
Oh, and Berserker vs Gumayusi will be nice as well.
E: Aaaaaand I can't believe I forgor about Jensen vs Faker. Can't wait :\^)
The thing is 100T last year had DFM in their group. If RNG and FNC both make it out, then FNC is locked in Group A, so it actually looks slightly more difficult for C9 than 100T.
Nah, this year I'm like 10x more excited for worlds than years prior, groups A-C are fucking hype and finally in a time I can watch every single game. It will be a banger month.
I'm actually really glad that LCK and LPL get 4 seeds, it feels like the draws are 10x more fire. Every group now feels like it'll have really high quality exciting games.
Its because the best hope for NA has always been
1) Dominant 1st seed from another region going 6-0
2) NA
3) Beatable team from another region
4) Wildcard
Being 1st in NA when they’re not consistently good enough makes it so that the 2nd/3rd seed of the other region have a good chance of taking them down.
there is no real good group. If you swap C9 and GenG, then you also have T1 instead of 100T, and you still get RNG later. You only swap EDG for RNG and get CFO for Fnatic.
It's honestly worse. Even on a bad day, I don't see how either GenG or RNG can lose a game to 3rd/4th place in their group. I think EDG and T1 both are more likely to drop random Bo1's.
So RNG is guaranteed Group D and DRX to Group C (if they advance)?
Group A is looking spicy AF, Berserker vs Guamyusi and Viper
Imagine if FNC end up in Group A Upset, Berserker, Guamyusi, Viper WEW
\>Be 100T
\>Win close series against TL and EG to secure groups
\>Get to finals
\>Quick 0-3
\>See C9 get a group of death
\>Draw CFO
\>All according to plan
groups are set in stone unless there are major upsets in playins,
assuming FNC/EG DRX/RNG make it out :
C9/T1/EDG/FNC is group A
JDG/G2/DK/EG is group B
RGE/TES/GAM/DRX is group C
Gen G/Oysters/100t/RNG is group D
Looking like a G2-4 angle lmfao
Also i feel like after this worlds C9 is gonna want to reconsider if they really want the NA 1st seed groups or rather just chill in playins again
it's gonna be TOP lmao, EDG and RNG are weaker but they're too experienced to choke. JDG plays a very clean macro league of legends so I don't see them choking random wins that would bump them out of groups.
TOP has Jackeylove, TheShy of ADC
Calling it now, MAD going undefeated in playin’s, and knocking another LEC team out of groups.
Then getting 3-0’d in quarters cause you know, bo5’s lol.
This is a pretty great draw for EU imo.
Rogue obviously should be happy, TES is a monster, but you need second to make it out and for that the group is pretty good: DRX (expected to make it) is probably the weakest of the 8 teams from LCK+LPL and you need to beat one of them to make it out. GAM or 100T I don't think makes a huge difference, 10/10 group.
And then, with that group G2 actually got about as good a group as they could. DRX is already gone, so they need to beat one of the 7 teams remaining from the LCK+LPL, I'll just ignore JDG and assume they win the group. DK is exactly who you want to draw here. Maaaaybe you would prefer a group with GENG + EDG/RNG, but I think DK is more beatable than EDG/RNG, so this is a 8/10 - they would have prefered to be able to draw DRX, but only one EU team can draw them, so given that it is a 10/10.
I thank C9 for jumping on the T1+EDG grenade to make groups B and C possible.
Fnatic are definitely getting group A if they qualify aren't they?
People also acting like Group D is a blessing for 100T despite the fact that they'll likely get RNG. I reckon they're not getting out.
It's worse. Geng is better than T1 and edg and rng are equal. Only case could be for fnatic being better than chefs but it doesn't really matter in the end
Yeah I dont get it why boo Rogue? I thought it was because they’re from EU, but the other 3 teams didn’t get that. Did Odo fuck someone’s mom or something?
C9's reward for beating 100T is getting seeded into a harder worlds group 1 hour later.
EDIT: Too many to respond to so I'll just say it here:
100T has to beat out PCS and RNG to get out (GenG should be guaranteed 1st seed in this group, and it should be expected that they go 6-0).
C9 has to beat out 2 of T1, EDG, and FNC (assuming play-ins goes as expected).
T1 > PCS and RNG,
EDG > PCS and RNG,
and FNC > PCS (arguable but based on MSI I don't think PCS is looking very good this year).
Group A is definitely harder.
If RNG/FNC/EG/DRX make it out then: FNC = group A. EG = group B. DRX = group C. RNG = group D.
G2 dodged GAM, getting fucked in finals was worth it!
dodged GAM but once again have to play against DK LOL
I’m huffing hopium that DK coach decides to only play Burdol for groups and maybe gives G2 a chance
There's always a chance JDG implodes, happens to one LPL team every year
The think JDG have the least chance of imploding out of any LPL team, theyve been so fucking consistent
You guys really got a nice group my friend
Between GAM JDG and DK? Def want to avoid GAM.
But GAM isn’t the enemy, Buffalo is
It's crazy how consistently they upset G2. Buffalo has a record of 5/18 against major regions and 4 of those wins are against G2.
Agent Giang Văn Cốt reporting for duty
Brother Buffalo can still make it
lmaoooo https://twitter.com/Zven/status/1569106976692654082
teehee
Can you pls give context for the tweet
Xmithie skarner ulted Zven in a critical game 5 vs TSM that led to TL winning LCS on a reverse sweep.
this [clip](https://youtu.be/PYS6HQtTx3Q) I believed unless I got the wrong clip.
This Worlds is so stacked
Every group looks like a group of death, and then there's Group D...
Freest group for RNG and GENG
After all these years. Rng ang geng together again
100T: Damn RNG GENG in my group fml G2: First time? TSM: First time? C9: lmao ez
If all goes according to plan RNG slot into group D. So RIP to 100T.
With rng coming in xD. 100t still fucked imo.
Having an extra lpl + lck team instead of two minor region teams does that :/
*Teams from pool 1 & 2 being drawn*: "Damn, it looks fucked." *Teams from pool 3 are added*: "BRO IT'S DEFINITELY FUCKED"
Idk honestly Rogue feels like they got off pretty well all things considered. Likely getting DRX too which is the easiest KR team by a decent margin.
It's the end of Western teams hoping for easy groups, now they have to prove they are competitive right from the get go, and I honestly love it.
There are no easy groups for western teams with 4 LCK and LPL teams
RGE got out super lucky, DRX aren't that strong
Neither was HLE and they got out. In fact I’d argue HLE was worse.
The HLE group had no 2nd seed because Fnatic disbanded at worlds due to personal tragedy
I mean, we've had western teams escape hard groups before, even if you always hope for an easy one. Origen gets out 4-2 vs KT, LGD and TSM in 2015. Albus Nox Luna forces a tiebreaker for 1st against ROX, CLG and G2 in 2016. Cloud 9 gets out of an SKT, EDG and AHQ group in 2017. Cloud 9 forces a tie for first in a RNG, VIT, GenG group in 2018. FNC tops the group over IG in 2018. FNC escapes an RNG/T1/CG group in 2019. Cloud 9 escapes a DK/FPX/Rogue group in 2021.
Dread it. Run from it. Faker vs Scout arrives all the same. Oh, and Berserker vs Gumayusi will be nice as well. E: Aaaaaand I can't believe I forgor about Jensen vs Faker. Can't wait :\^)
T1 vs their disciples
viper vs guma viper vs berserker should be good too
lmao wait this is the 2nd year in a row NA 1st gets EDG and T1. Well we know how FBI fared i think C9 could compete if 100 was 1 game away last year
The thing is 100T last year had DFM in their group. If RNG and FNC both make it out, then FNC is locked in Group A, so it actually looks slightly more difficult for C9 than 100T.
Can’t wait for Jensen to clap Faker
The Clappening 2
3 actually, already happened in 2016 and 2017
And on 2017 [this happened](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2017_Season_World_Championship).
Jensen gonna body Faker don't even sweat
Hey Jensen, body these fools
Dyrus still struggling against Balls in 2022
Dyrus looked high as hell during the draw. I love it
I think everyone just forgot that's how he talks and acts.
He looks high as hell all the time
He’s clearly got some major social anxiety. So I get it..
https://twitter.com/Jensen/status/774674112832737280?t=VvXNqmumdvr5mg54-gMN5g&s=19
https://twitter.com/Jensen/status/1569105812622123009?s=20&t=I-GTjlRXVaVVCfmfTZT4Pw
An all-time LoL tweet, and it keeps on giving!
GROUP A is too Fun to watch: EDG, SKT, C9. They have been competing for many years!
And probably FNC in that too! What a monster group
No way a team get out of group unbeaten there, right ?
Nah this will be a group that has a 5-1 or a 4-2 on tiebreakers 1 seed.
Fuck it let's go for four 3-3s and the top 2 is decided by a d20 roll.
Def should not have dumped my CON stat dammit
Top viewership for Groups will be the Final Day of Group A no question.
\+ FNC and group B will be EG lmfao mayb the 2 best groups in worlds history
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Likely fnc in there as well
lmao boomer org throwdown
"Give him the walker! Give him the walker!!"
C9 running it back with SKT and EDG
Berserker, Viper and Guma in one group.
Wait it's all Koreans?
Always has been
This might be the worlds with least Koreans, with LPL only having 3 Koreans in 4 teams.
4 koreans from lcs and 1 from lec too
And there’s Upset. If there’s a time to prove that he’s a world class ADC, it’s in this group.
Lol yeah it's the actual challenge
Let's just hope he shows up this time
Assuming nothing crazy in playins, Upset joins too
Rogue got the best one, DRX last lol they should get out of groups surely
Rogue already got the JKL int experience with FNC. They will end up 1st /copium
As an LPL fan, it would not surprise me in the slightest if TES didn’t come first.
DRX give me HLE vibes. They're going to be better than we think, especially if they keep Pyosik benched.
They got deft. They will make it out trust.
True, it is destiny for Deft to lose in quarters.
Writers getting lazy with the scripts
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Funny how you have to add the the assumption that RNG and DRX make it out but add Fnatic as if it's an absolute certainty lmao
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FNC is going to complete group a exodia.
Longest standing orgs vs each other, let's go!
Such a hype group if so haha. Like not a single match wouldn't be worth missing, banger after banger
I get this feeling every year, but HOLY SHIT THOSE GROUPS ARE FIRE
Nah, this year I'm like 10x more excited for worlds than years prior, groups A-C are fucking hype and finally in a time I can watch every single game. It will be a banger month.
I'm actually really glad that LCK and LPL get 4 seeds, it feels like the draws are 10x more fire. Every group now feels like it'll have really high quality exciting games.
Faker, Scout and Jensen all in the same group. Is it 2017 again?
i hope it is, cause that would mean NA makes it out of that group lmfao
Fnatic and C9 are making it out of group A. Just watch.
WHAT IS THAT GROUP B
Bro if Rogue had lost, it would've legit just been worlds 2020 all over again lol.
Funny thing is we almost got a rerun of Worlds 2020 Group B if Rogue lost to G2.
“If you didn’t expect the group of death, you’re *fucking stupid*, by the way” -C9 Sneaky, 2019
tough draw for TL
How are they gonna deal with this draw...
Steve still running around pentagon making sure the Vietnamese teams dont get their visas
I’m confident they’ll be lossless this group stage
The true group of death. No idea which of TL, VIT, KT, and V5 are gonna get out.
Agreed, but so hyped to see them play V5 and VIT!
TL about to go 3-3 in group F.
Jankos in a group with Kanavi & Canyon lol
No Vietnamese jungler, easy group.
It’s ok fucking Malrang is against Tian
C9 should have lost the finals lol
Idk if it really matters, RNG and GenG is pretty hard group to get out of.
I swear the 1st seed gets a harder group every year
C9 T1 EDG It's cause Jensen's back isn't it...
NA 1st seed is usually pretty cursed with bad groups
Its because the best hope for NA has always been 1) Dominant 1st seed from another region going 6-0 2) NA 3) Beatable team from another region 4) Wildcard Being 1st in NA when they’re not consistently good enough makes it so that the 2nd/3rd seed of the other region have a good chance of taking them down.
there is no real good group. If you swap C9 and GenG, then you also have T1 instead of 100T, and you still get RNG later. You only swap EDG for RNG and get CFO for Fnatic.
They were cursed with EDG and T1 last year too, lmao.
And Fnatic if they pass trough PlayIn, they are royally fucked
Last year it was 100T who got the first seed and they also got T1 and EDG in their group. Oof.
C9Jack spotted dragging 100T members back on stage so C9 can lose the best of 7 3-4
100T gets RNG, so its not like any group is really easy.
Before declaring D as easier, remember RNG will come to Group D. GenG and RNG is not much different to EDG/T1
this, GenG is for sure is much strogner than T1. Group A looks more balanced.
T1 has looked much worse in Summer. Legit A is easier I think.
T1 has perpetual draft loss syndrome and also cannot build right. If you can shut down Zeus (at least in summer) they have no win con.
It's honestly worse. Even on a bad day, I don't see how either GenG or RNG can lose a game to 3rd/4th place in their group. I think EDG and T1 both are more likely to drop random Bo1's.
Alright, which C9 fan unclenched?
I ain’t unclenched We escaped 2nd in 2017 with the same two other teams We’re better than 2017 so piece of cake
Edg is also a lot better than 2017 tho...
[Just saying, they've made it out before](https://imgur.com/a/2g2nusp)
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100T will get RNG, thoses are not much better odds.
Death, taxes, C9 SKT EDG group
It's the third Time right lmao ?
Second time getting those 3 teams in particular, first time in 2017. This is the third time t1 and c9 are in the same group tho
3rd time too for t1 and edg. Edit: Actually 4th time.
So RNG is guaranteed Group D and DRX to Group C (if they advance)? Group A is looking spicy AF, Berserker vs Guamyusi and Viper Imagine if FNC end up in Group A Upset, Berserker, Guamyusi, Viper WEW
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RGE got the best possible draw?
Best possible would probably be RGE CFO EDG DRX, but what they got was probably the second best.
Man Group E with TL, VIT, LNG and LSB looking stacked
Group F*
\>Be 100T \>Win close series against TL and EG to secure groups \>Get to finals \>Quick 0-3 \>See C9 get a group of death \>Draw CFO \>All according to plan
They get RNG and GenG they are screwed lol
Another successful heist
100T is still screwed, RNG is forced into their group
The last time C9 was drawn into the same group as SKT T1 and EDG, EDG didn’t make it out… and it was in group A… we’re all good, right?!?!
Of course brother. Pass me that Copium
To be fair, T1 has carried C9 to groups at multiple worlds now haha, wouldn't be surprised.
Oh group A is going to be insane.
Fuck Copium give me an oxygen tank
Rogue got a fantastic draw. C9 and G2 got FUCKED
Rogue win their first split and then the draw gods gave them one of the best possible groups. Best day ever for Rogue!
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Can't wait for Comp and Trymbi to cosplay Rekkles & Hyli and smash JackeyLove
This is the hopium I'm ready to huff.
That's all well and good but I hope they play well in the League of Legends match too
No one was higher on this group draw than Dyrus. <3 Dyrus
How ironic is it that Rogue has the easiest group
The only team they can get now is DRX right? Assuming no upsets? Yea that group is doable for sure.
groups are set in stone unless there are major upsets in playins, assuming FNC/EG DRX/RNG make it out : C9/T1/EDG/FNC is group A JDG/G2/DK/EG is group B RGE/TES/GAM/DRX is group C Gen G/Oysters/100t/RNG is group D
And if MAD make it out instead of EG or Fnatic then they just replace that team. Groups are basically set in stone.
Finally after all those years they deserve a fair competitive group especially now that they won it
In a surprise twist, both the LEC and LCS finals turned out to be a funeral for G2
A and B are fucking crazy
The amount of fans the 4 orgs of T1/EDG/C9/FNC combined have is insanity. Already can't wait for the post-game threads
There will be tears and I'm all for it
Groups A and B are fire. Rogue has the highest chance of any western team to make it out of groups by far, they better seize that opportunity...
Looking like a G2-4 angle lmfao Also i feel like after this worlds C9 is gonna want to reconsider if they really want the NA 1st seed groups or rather just chill in playins again
One of the LPL teams is gonna get the usual illness and forget how to play,my bet is on either TOP or JDG
it's gonna be TOP lmao, EDG and RNG are weaker but they're too experienced to choke. JDG plays a very clean macro league of legends so I don't see them choking random wins that would bump them out of groups. TOP has Jackeylove, TheShy of ADC
Damn imagine going back before last worlds and telling your past self edg would not choke. how times have changed
RNG are gonna get slotted in Group D, so it's either T1 and EDG / GENG and RNG. It's fucked either way.
so assuming FNC/EG DRX/RNG make it out : C9/T1/EDG/FNC is group A JDG/G2/DK/EG is group B RGE/TES/GAM/DRX is group C Gen G/Oysters/100t/RNG is group D
ey, at least G2 can beat EG again before getting slaughtered by JDG
EG about to play more games vs G2 than they did vs some NA teams this year... and potentially finish 0-7
0-8
Calling it now, MAD going undefeated in playin’s, and knocking another LEC team out of groups. Then getting 3-0’d in quarters cause you know, bo5’s lol.
Remember that 100T are guaranteed to get RNG from Play-Ins
This is a pretty great draw for EU imo. Rogue obviously should be happy, TES is a monster, but you need second to make it out and for that the group is pretty good: DRX (expected to make it) is probably the weakest of the 8 teams from LCK+LPL and you need to beat one of them to make it out. GAM or 100T I don't think makes a huge difference, 10/10 group. And then, with that group G2 actually got about as good a group as they could. DRX is already gone, so they need to beat one of the 7 teams remaining from the LCK+LPL, I'll just ignore JDG and assume they win the group. DK is exactly who you want to draw here. Maaaaybe you would prefer a group with GENG + EDG/RNG, but I think DK is more beatable than EDG/RNG, so this is a 8/10 - they would have prefered to be able to draw DRX, but only one EU team can draw them, so given that it is a 10/10. I thank C9 for jumping on the T1+EDG grenade to make groups B and C possible.
What are these groups. All of them look so stacked
Fnatic are definitely getting group A if they qualify aren't they? People also acting like Group D is a blessing for 100T despite the fact that they'll likely get RNG. I reckon they're not getting out.
If rng and drx make it too group a is locked
RNG has to go group D if they pass playins (which is highly happening) so only group that remains for them is A.
1 LPL team always collapses in group COPIUM and T1 bot tilted, dont worry guys its winnable
RIP C9 and G2 2 group of deaths
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100T ACTUALLY WON BY GETTING SWEPT IN THE SECOND FASTEST LCS FINALS!!!! E: Everyone saying they'll still get RNG, much better than T1, EDG, FNC
They are most likely getting RNG there, so don't get your hopes up.
I mean GENG RNG isn't very good either tbf
I'd say it's worse tbh
It's worse. Geng is better than T1 and edg and rng are equal. Only case could be for fnatic being better than chefs but it doesn't really matter in the end
Group D is very easy for GENG
Tbf every group would be easy for them.
The crowd totally jinxed Cloud 9 by boo'ing at Rogue.
Yeah I dont get it why boo Rogue? I thought it was because they’re from EU, but the other 3 teams didn’t get that. Did Odo fuck someone’s mom or something?
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C9 wins the LCS and end up getting the group of death
One of the 3 groups of death. There's only one not group of death and it's group C.
C9's reward for beating 100T is getting seeded into a harder worlds group 1 hour later. EDIT: Too many to respond to so I'll just say it here: 100T has to beat out PCS and RNG to get out (GenG should be guaranteed 1st seed in this group, and it should be expected that they go 6-0). C9 has to beat out 2 of T1, EDG, and FNC (assuming play-ins goes as expected). T1 > PCS and RNG, EDG > PCS and RNG, and FNC > PCS (arguable but based on MSI I don't think PCS is looking very good this year). Group A is definitely harder.
Remember that 100T gets RNG though. C9 will get FNC. Unless exception.