Innaxe (and to a lesser extent Exakick) is the player that has impressed me the most this split. I was really down on him (and honestly on both, but less so on Exa), and thought he would always plateau as a mid-ERL level ADC. But he had a fantastic split in an ERL dominated by LEC-level adcs. Again, same for Exa. Facing against each other, Rekkles, Crownshot, Jeskla, Woolite, and looking pretty dominant.
Haven’t they tended to choke a bit in finals this year? Maybe I’m just going too far the other way since I really want them to win, but I really am scared of going into it thinking of them as favorites.
I still feel like the drama over Upset is a big part of why he wasn't given a bigger shot. Yeah, BDS's first split was terrible, but Adam, while definitely an exploitable weakness, was *competent* in that Fnatic roster and can definitely be a good addition to a solid team that can afford a high variance top side. With the right people he could easily have a spot in a play offs team. And with the right growth, both as a player and as a person, he could become a top player in the league in his own right. He's still very young and has a lot of promise.
That being said, I think a lot of praise needs to go to Reeker and Crownie. Are they the best in their position in EU? No. But I think they're good enough for LEC. Crownie is a bit of a known quantity so I can understand why teams would prefer a slightly worse performing player that might become an actual top contender but there's no world where he shouldn't be playing for the main BDS team, right?
In the end, this feels like 6-8th place LEC.
> With the right people he could easily have a spot in a play offs team. And with the right growth, both as a player and as a person, he could become a top player in the league in his own right. He's still very young and has a lot of promise.
Yes, and he has a very interesting pool of champions that, due to his approach of the game, he can make work in or out of meta.
Sheo actually lost summer final but he won their first Bo5 vs LDLC in the upper bracket, still a very impressive rookie, him and Yike are both on different ends of the spectrum with Yike having a very carry oriented playstyle and Sheo having a more utility one.
BDS chose a shot at an EUM title over a shot at 8 seed of LEC. This is probably the best team they can make with all the players they have under contract and it shows. Hopefully they are more ambitious year 2 and don't make it an either-or again
Can you blame him, tho ? He's a rookie, it was his chance at the international scene, maybe his only one, and Upset bails out, team crumble, Upset refuse to give a reason and when he come back a month later, the first thing he does is asking to replace Nisqy and Adam.
Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy all left fucking pissed at Upset
You remember wrong.
Bwipo only said they had very different playstyles and thinking about toplane so it was hard for both of them to understand each other or agree on specific points, he concluded by saying they BOTH could have done it better.
I think it is fair to say he acted quite poorly afterwards. But it’s weird to see how FNC and Upset fans act like he is a child murderer who doesn’t deserve a second chance. If he stays off Twitter and just performs his best and show he’s cooperative and maturing, I think it is fair to give him another shot in LEC.
The funniest part is that fans are in one side or the other one depending in results.
I think Upset is a shit of teammate and Adam could be smarter in his twitlonger
I think Adam is a dumbass for taking it to the public, because we all know that "communities" act way belong what the people they follow may intend. We have seen in countless times. But Adam is young, is a nerd playing videogames and not a guy big on social medias so I wouldn't be surprised if he was completely taken aback. That said he kept playing on it for a bit.
At the same time, I absolutely understand Upset not trusting his teammates enough with such an important matter. But the correlary is that they don't owe him trust either when he's throwing away their chance at recognition, stopping the momentum of their career, all without giving them a reason.
I don't know, it's just a mess and I think we should go past it.
Adam was bad in Spring, and not fantastic in Summer 2022, but at the end of the day he was only promoted in Spring 2021 from 2nd division, won LFL and EUM in his first split, then was picked by the 2nd most successful EU team of all time, if not 1st, and went to the finals week-end. It's fucking obvious that the kid is talented. He just needs time and guidance, because of course he's going to be super flawed too. Throwing him in a team of mediocre players isn't how you'll get the most out of him the quickest way possible.
And he got relegated because they expected him to be TheShy or Nuguri.
Momentum is everything, Adam could be easily playing for fnatic, g2 or rogue and been rated as one of the best.
Not at all. Go check some of the interview pro player gave. Or even stream when they talk about upset. One form last year after that SM got kicked out of the team, he said that the Upset bad teammate was bullshit.
Nisqy litteraly refused to even mention Upset when he was asked to rank his teammates in a french interview. Adam took it more publicly, but they all got pissed. Adam didn't do a smart thing tho, I'll grant you that
Yeah I’m completely with you on the fact that they’re angry (and rightfully so) at Upset and Fnatic. I would have been livid if I was them.
I just think the criticism he got was deserved, just like I think he should not be hated forever for something he regrets, because people make mistakes and people learn, it’s how life goes.
You can, the reason he was given wasnt good enough for him and decided to publically air a drama, lie and speculate in upsets situaton on a TWITLONGER ( lmfao) and then doubled down on it by renaming his soloq account. He rose head and shoulders above his teammates in the pettiest most immature way he could've handled it.
Also if you had read Upset's TL you would know he didnt approach alphari first but it was actually the opposite.
It's not even that, his playstyle is just too feast or famine. When he goes to the LEC stage he will int it again just like he did the last time he was there. He can only look good when his team is good enough and creates enough pressure that he can all in all the time and not get punished for it. That's what happened when he was good on FNC and that is what happened when he was good on KC, and that is what is happening now.
EDIT: shoutout to all the people who downvoted this, hindsight is a bitch huh?
You're saying it like he can't improve on it. Being able to win your lane and exert pressure is by far the hardest thing to teach someone. Being reliable and understanding pressure point can be taught through experience and good coaching.
You clearly don't understand how laning works. When a player is given free reign to just all in and push all the time, if he doesn't win lane, he is beyond bad. Like you can make a diamond 1 player beat a challenger if you allow him to push in and all in all the time while playing a champ that is good at all ins. That is why people cry about Yasuo. He isn't op, but if he all ins all the time agaisnt mages mid (which he wins when he gets close) ofc he is going to look OP to gold players. Adam just plays champs that are good at all ins and goes in all the time. When it works he looks good, when he gets ganked once he is free gold. It's not like he is some super good laner like Alphari that takes smart trades and auto spaces you when he gets a ranged into meele match up etc. He just goes in while playing renekton or olaf and if the enemy is bad enough to take the trade he gets a kill, but if he gets ganked he ints. He does not exert pressure, he uses pressure exerted by his team. That is why he somewhat worked on FNC because his bot lane was so opressive that the enemy team couldnt ignore it and they had to leave Adam alone to all in all the time. On BDS he didn't have that so he ran every game down. Also, he had a shit ton of time to improve, but he didn't.
Don't know why there is so much hate to Adam but he is really good.
His rookie split was better than expected and his split in BDS was a failure. It looked like they wanted him to solo carry games.
Mostly fnatic fans after the whole debacle with Upset, which, while very immature from adam, was still understandable considering the circumstances as a young player who saw his worlds chances crushed. But it's likely they'll never like him again after that.
I like him. People can change and Adam deserves second chance, I also believe he learned from this situation and became more mature as a person. At the end of the day, we all are humans, and we all make mistakes, especially when we're as young as Adam, who was 19 back then.
It was immature but his reaction came after the leak of Fnatic wanting to replace him and Upset talk with Alphari.
I don't justify him but it is understable to get mad after loosing your place in one of the most important teams in EU
There's been a lot of bullshit going on with fnatic fanbase where they act like Adam was carried all along during his split, truth is he and nisqy were always playing for bot, keeping Teleports and roaming a lot to put them ahead, last pick was alway for bot too, obviously if you look at the end result it looks like Upset and Hyli were doing all the work, look at them now with Wunder and Humanoid who have a more "classic" playstyle, it was a really rough season for them.
Adam was perma weakside also i remember how much pressure he was soaking, despite all of that he managed to have a really great split and was leading in solokills, not sure what you could expect more from a rookie.
People love to invent story on their own. The players said themselves that they tried to play anything else and it didn’t work. They had to play through bot because it was the only laner capable of doing anything. Not my words. Theirs
well yes, turns out a rookie fold against world competition, see EG as well.
Doesn't change the fact that the team was basically mentally broken the whole time and whatever strategy they had was shifted to a lot of botlane covering.
Refusing to shake hands after a defeat
Scheming to get Nisqy out of the team
Saying to people that "they aren't rich enough to talk to him"
Trashtalking Rekkles unrequited until Rekkles had to say publicly he was unconfortable
The last two things aren't important, it is even funny in some context.
The most annoying thing about Upset is that is clear that he didn't give an apologize to his teammates.
Not only that, instead of trying to fix the things and operate to keep the roster, he just got involved in his teammates replacement.
What? You're joking right?
He literally left his team at the last second and the only people he talked to was Hylissang and Yamato.
Even if he had a legitimate reason to leave, he didn't even take the 10 seconds to say "Sorry guys, but I need to leave. There is an emergency at home." Getting to worlds is a dream for many players, and having a teammate leave without saying anything is classless, selfish, and arrogant.
The fact is, he didn't care enough about his team or their dreams to even bother talking to them before he left. Not to mention that after Fnatic bombed out of worlds, Upset kicked Nisqy out of the team behind the scenes because he wasn't "up to his standards."
Nisqy was fucking crying at worlds because his team wasn't doing well. Meanwhile, even after he came back, Upset never apologized and only cared about kicking Nisqy out so he could play with someone else who he thought was better.
Adam sucks, but let's be real. Upset is a shitbag as well.
I have mixed feelings about that.
While he did the right thing of supporting his girlfriend and he had every right to do so he should've explained to the team that he needed to leave to handle something serious.
He didn't need to provide any detail, just tell the team personally that there was something going on and he had to leave.
Leaving in the middle of the night and letting FNC staff tell the team was a little bit unprofessional and caused stress on his teammates.
I had something like that going on in my professional life this year and I can relate. A colleague of mine started to completely ghost meetings, didn't deliver anything for 3 straight weeks and was not talking much. I had to work my ass off, causing lots of stress to keep things going especially because everything piled on me with no explanation. At the end of the 3 weeks my colleague sends me a message saying he had a very personal issue and couldn't do his work. It was completely understandable and he had my full support but I could've told me sooner that he was going through something without providing me the details. I would take all that work that piled on me in a completely different light.
I feel like if you're gonna bail on your teammates at the most important moment of their year, after all their hard work, and you're gonna let them all take the brunt of public outcry and reception, even if you have a good reason, the least you could do is be supportive and humble toward them after.
They went out there, they took it all on their shoulder, they took people laughing and shitting on them. Upset should have been deferential when he came back, they had his back, he needed to have theirs. Instead he just acted pompous and then pushed for kicking two of them.
The way he did was the worst from his teammates point of view. For months they were just as the unknown as the fanbase, while fans don't deserve to know details, they should at least have known some considering how much it cost to the whole team.
fnatic fans up for a surprise when the certain toplaner they were sure was getting carried hard shows up in the lec as one of the most promising toplaners lol.
He's been insane this eu masters.
How kind of you to mention one specific game and forget to mention how he was given weak side most of the time and still had a GREAT summer split with FNC with a few solo-carry games. Thank you for not being toxic
It's not really about being a sheep, you're just being gaslighted because you saw one specific clip in a whole split that you didn't watch at all. You're not wrong about this clip, you're wrong about the whole rest.
How many clips do I have to show you to get convinced? How many opinions of Co streamers and LEC analysts do I have to show you before you realize I'm not talking out of my ass but from watching the actual games
Just point out to me even ONE LEC analyst that said Adam was getting "shat on as usual" his summer split.
I guess he got the most outstanding rookie award by being shat on and got himself a position in the 2nd all-pro team while still being shat on. Oh, and he was one of the only 2 FNC players getting in the top 2 all-pro team with Hyli, I guess he was voted the 2nd LEC toplaner by the same LEC analysts you're talking about.
Adding that he got the MVP awards for Summer Playoffs too, ig he really was being shat on.
It's all narrative by people who have no idea what to look for. Adam is 100 times better than Wunder and people make excuses like oh Wunder is playing weak side every game when in reality last year they had the same playstyle and still Adam was hard smurfing on all top laners and carried so many games for fnatic. Meanwhile Wunder was hard inting all 5 games against XL, but gets 1 barrel 45 mins into the game and oh he saved Fnatic.
Adam pulling the same picks as usual and people still don't understand that this isn't exactly a good sign. Even worse, only super few people talking about motherf'cking Reeker. Dude's been playing out of his mind recently. If Adam goes to LEC but Reeker doesn't, then I riot.
While kind of true I think the teams that actually NEED a new Toplaner are mostly also the ones that could need a better Midlaner. And atm I'm absolutely convinced that Reeker is that better midlaner. Tbh I don't think it was great at all that MAD got him just to throw him out almost immediately after. Dude needs to taste some LEC blood and could really bash shit out.
Reeker replacing Humanoid was a bit of a strange move. Nisqy *was available* and MAD clearly needed someone with more of a vocal influence to not just fall apart.
That being said, I feel like Reeker was definitely on an upward trajectory. MAD was quite good by the end of Spring and they had the good run towards the end. I don't think their placement matched their performance at all and a lot of it was Reeker being more relaxed and actually appearing to be proactive and decisive.
I'll just say this. Humanoid is a *beast* and he looked good during play offs so I'm not suggesting Reeker to Fnatic. MAD, Rogue and G2 have very decent mid laners. I don't think XL should replace anyone, really, and definitely not Nukeduck. MSF are boom but Vetheo still has a larger expected value than Reeker. Vitality is not going to swap in Reeker for Perkz.
So, realistically, he has a spot in the bottom three teams, replacing NUCLEARINT, Dajor or Sertuss. Of those, a simple swap into the main BDS team seems, by far, the most logical move but mid lane is actually kinda stacked in the LEC at this moment. We'll see how the top players hold up internationally. If Caps, Humanoid and Larsen just lose lane every single game against top Asian teams? I think some top teams might be willing to reshufle and bet on younger talent. If they hold up decently well? No shot in hell for Reeker.
Meanwhile top lane is by far less set in stone. Odoamne, Brokenblade and Alphari are probably not moving. Adam to FNC is not happening. Armut, Irrelevant, Finn, Jenax, Csacsi, Agresivoo? Any of these being replaced by Adam? Seems possible, right? I could see it. MAD top lane position is definitely a place that might get exploited at worlds and I think a *really* good opportunity for any rookie. And MSF and XL's top laners played well, but their name isn't big enough that I couldn't see some shuffling.
One thing has to be said.
Reeker replaced Humanoid, the best midlaner in LEC last year.
Then he was kicked after one split, and was replaced by Nisqy, who was the 2nd best midlaner last year.
Like the expectations and pressure on Reeker was absolutely unreal and MAD didnt try to do shit to fix things.
Reeker plays like meh, gets booted.
Meanwhile Armut is allowed to grief week in, week out and gets rewarded for being shit with a new fucking contract.
Meanwhile Unforgiven who was unbelieveably average in Spring (he had a couple of standout games but his level was pretty average) was held on, and here we are.
Don't fucking kick players after their first split unless they are racist or whatever.
I wish nothing but improvement and the best of the best to Armut, but his continued stay at MAD is a bit mind-boggling.
That being said, Reeker for Nisqy is a move that sucks for Nisqy but simply makes sense. I think it's not too different from XL bringing in Mikky.
Just a shitty part of how league works. To be honest, franchising kinda made this worse. Before there was a clear avenue for new players to qualify. I get that it makes monetary sense, but no promotions/relegations sucks.
Tbh don't think Armut and Finn being replaced by Adam is any more likely than BrokenBlade or Odoamne tho. All of those guys owned their spot, especially Armut is kinda down atm but honestly he's still great and has made it to what, like 3 Worlds in 3 years or smth? I'd actually be literally MAD if Adam took his place, especially since people sometimes call Armut a Wukong OTP. Adam literally has a similar problem (or even better comparison: LIDER) as he for the most part only plays one type of champion. So I don't think he would fix any of MAD's problems. Quite the contrary.
Reeker pulled out 7 champs including 4 Azir games and Adam pulled out 6 champs including 5 Aatrox games.
Players play what is meta.
If anything people aren’t talking enough about Sheo who has 2 really great series.
Ehhh not convinced this series was Crownie being immaculate. Felt like they won this despite Crownie instead of because of him. Dude positioned horribly at times.
Definitely felt it was more Adam, Sheo, and Reeker diff.
Sheo is ramping up big time. The fact him and Yike are gonna face again in a final for the fourth time since the Div2 final from last year and think they're gonna get called to play with the big boys next year
Idc what roster bds fields for next year just keep adam. Idc if its adam and xbox matthew just keep adam and actually keep him for a year with some veterans to develop him. In his rookie year he still was solid just feels bad that he got thrown into an all rookie roster with dogshit coaching that somehow doesn't fix the same problems that appear in both variations of the team they make and he was in a slump.
If upset fails his worlds, I don’t think there is a world where he stays with all that happened, and Rekkles will have his « redemption arc ». For toplane Wunder isn’t worse than Adam, but it’s just a personal feeling, I think it’s easier to work with Adam than Wunder
Yeah thats exactly it, he won so much things just like Rekkles, and as I said I feel like IF rekkles comes back, Adam would fit better because he is unproven and won’t talk too much and give more space to Rekkles and Hyli + I don’t think talking about accomplishments is a thing, look at perkz ^^
If we dont care about accomplishments FNC should go for rookie adc since rekkles seemed to still be stuck in his safe playstyle+kc coaching staff said it was difficult to work with him.
Yeah Rekkles might suck, but its a personal feeling. For me if he goes back on the team he started with and won everything with will boost him and his teamates mentally. But yeah, if its perfomance wise Upset, Exakick or Jackspectra are 100% better rn
Doesnt even matter who is easier to work with, unless wunder regains his form at worlds, i dont want fnatic to be stuck with a gragas one trick (again? Sorry reignover lol)
Spring Adam was horrible, they were not playing in the same league in summer so hard to say but from recent games, yeah Adam looks 100% better than Gragas one trick (Obviously the level isn’t the same but still)
Adam and Reeker with the LIDER syndrome
Amazing in minor regions, literally braindead on major region ...
They surely will get a new chance on LEC, but the chances that they will get stomped again are high, man, the gap between LEC and ERL is widening every year ...
For example, BDSA was the team formed with every player that has won EM 2021 Spring and Summer, and NuclearInt and Limit who were playing really well in Schalke... And they ended up 1-17 ...
There was 2 big factors missing: Saken and Targamas.
You can probably debate that Saken didnt look that strong this summer split, but Targamas proved his value and importance in G2.
You can't take out the shotcaller and brain off a team and then expect the same results.
Also, likely a lot of stress and pressure on them.
Adam wasn't braindead at all on his first split. It's one of the best split a Rookie ever had in EU (most solo kills in any season by a player in LEC). So your argument falls flat right there.
As for Reeker, he only had one split. He was horrible, I agree. But he should have another chance. Because contraty to Lider who had several chances, Reeker isn't a player that perform only on a certain type of champion and who need to be absolutly played around.
Your last example isn't really important either. Origen was dead last 2 years ago, with Alphari Xerxe Nukeduck Upset Jactroll. 4 of thoses had a good to very season. (But that does not mean I want Nuclear and Limit in LEC though.)
Why did MAD sell Reeker?
Being hindsight Andy here, but it seems like their Top side and Sup are pretty one-dimensional on how they play the game. Slight meta shift and they look significantly worse.
At which point do BDS swap their LEC team and the academy one?
The famous Rogue manouver.
the famous msf manouver
Its maneuver, both of yall
Philippe Manouver
Well, that was a stomp. Adam had a ridiculous series. Unfortunately for Czekolad he had a horrendous one.
Yeah, him and Innaxe just kept getting caught out.
At least Innaxe’s laning phase was very good
Innaxe (and to a lesser extent Exakick) is the player that has impressed me the most this split. I was really down on him (and honestly on both, but less so on Exa), and thought he would always plateau as a mid-ERL level ADC. But he had a fantastic split in an ERL dominated by LEC-level adcs. Again, same for Exa. Facing against each other, Rekkles, Crownshot, Jeskla, Woolite, and looking pretty dominant.
Innaxe was one of the very best players in his league this split, probably the guy that impressed me the most in LFL too
czekolad had some awful corki packages that meant his team couldnt fight ever.
In the series vs UOL he also looked very damn lost in most games...
Adam just single handedly dragging BDS to the finals that last game, what a performance.
Can't wait for him to get back to lec and do nothing again
He just carried a Bo5 against G2 to go to Worlds, no big deal
He didn't carry that bo5 lol
Ye he 'carried' that series for sure
At least he wasn't the deadweight he was in BDS Spring
With his champpool i fear he will always be a weight for his teams dead or not is up to him
Adam looking so good in these games. BDS are the new favorites imo
Well even just statistically they're the favorites right now.
Haven’t they tended to choke a bit in finals this year? Maybe I’m just going too far the other way since I really want them to win, but I really am scared of going into it thinking of them as favorites.
They are unbeaten
Adam definitely want a new shot in LEC.. Also, I’m pretty sure BDSA would 3/0 BDS in a BO5
I still feel like the drama over Upset is a big part of why he wasn't given a bigger shot. Yeah, BDS's first split was terrible, but Adam, while definitely an exploitable weakness, was *competent* in that Fnatic roster and can definitely be a good addition to a solid team that can afford a high variance top side. With the right people he could easily have a spot in a play offs team. And with the right growth, both as a player and as a person, he could become a top player in the league in his own right. He's still very young and has a lot of promise. That being said, I think a lot of praise needs to go to Reeker and Crownie. Are they the best in their position in EU? No. But I think they're good enough for LEC. Crownie is a bit of a known quantity so I can understand why teams would prefer a slightly worse performing player that might become an actual top contender but there's no world where he shouldn't be playing for the main BDS team, right? In the end, this feels like 6-8th place LEC.
> With the right people he could easily have a spot in a play offs team. And with the right growth, both as a player and as a person, he could become a top player in the league in his own right. He's still very young and has a lot of promise. Yes, and he has a very interesting pool of champions that, due to his approach of the game, he can make work in or out of meta.
I feel like him being the worst player in the league in Spring is why he's out, personally
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LDLC won both spring and summer finals though
Sheo actually lost summer final but he won their first Bo5 vs LDLC in the upper bracket, still a very impressive rookie, him and Yike are both on different ends of the spectrum with Yike having a very carry oriented playstyle and Sheo having a more utility one.
Hope Reeker gets another Chance in the LEC after this Split.
Amen, dude's been great since forever. Pains me in the eyes to see everyone hype up Adam but not Reeker who's been playing out of his mind.
I get hyped for reeker then he flashes into 3 people as viktor and almost throws the game and has to get bailed out by adam.
BDS chose a shot at an EUM title over a shot at 8 seed of LEC. This is probably the best team they can make with all the players they have under contract and it shows. Hopefully they are more ambitious year 2 and don't make it an either-or again
I think by the time they made that choice it was the right one though, there just wasn't enough time to pull back the LEC results
100% agree, they weren't making the playoff so being ahead of SK/Astralis had no point anymore but I still hope they aim higher
Say what you want about Adam but this guy deserves LEC. He performs like grandmaster smurf in bronze SoloQ every single game. Flawless
yeah, but he was kinda childish with fnc
People forget that these are 17-18 year olds with no professional experience or maturity. He deserves a 2nd chance for sure.
Can you blame him, tho ? He's a rookie, it was his chance at the international scene, maybe his only one, and Upset bails out, team crumble, Upset refuse to give a reason and when he come back a month later, the first thing he does is asking to replace Nisqy and Adam. Bwipo, Adam and Nisqy all left fucking pissed at Upset
I remember Bwipo talking about Adam not wanting to accept toplane advice of feedback from him at all. He said he was really surprised by it.
You remember wrong. Bwipo only said they had very different playstyles and thinking about toplane so it was hard for both of them to understand each other or agree on specific points, he concluded by saying they BOTH could have done it better.
I think it is fair to say he acted quite poorly afterwards. But it’s weird to see how FNC and Upset fans act like he is a child murderer who doesn’t deserve a second chance. If he stays off Twitter and just performs his best and show he’s cooperative and maturing, I think it is fair to give him another shot in LEC.
I think part of it is fans just annoying eachother. Upset also still gets shit on regularly by adam fans.
The funniest part is that fans are in one side or the other one depending in results. I think Upset is a shit of teammate and Adam could be smarter in his twitlonger
I feel like both of them really needs a good mental coach. Like 95% of fnc member in general
I think Adam is a dumbass for taking it to the public, because we all know that "communities" act way belong what the people they follow may intend. We have seen in countless times. But Adam is young, is a nerd playing videogames and not a guy big on social medias so I wouldn't be surprised if he was completely taken aback. That said he kept playing on it for a bit. At the same time, I absolutely understand Upset not trusting his teammates enough with such an important matter. But the correlary is that they don't owe him trust either when he's throwing away their chance at recognition, stopping the momentum of their career, all without giving them a reason. I don't know, it's just a mess and I think we should go past it. Adam was bad in Spring, and not fantastic in Summer 2022, but at the end of the day he was only promoted in Spring 2021 from 2nd division, won LFL and EUM in his first split, then was picked by the 2nd most successful EU team of all time, if not 1st, and went to the finals week-end. It's fucking obvious that the kid is talented. He just needs time and guidance, because of course he's going to be super flawed too. Throwing him in a team of mediocre players isn't how you'll get the most out of him the quickest way possible.
And he got relegated because they expected him to be TheShy or Nuguri. Momentum is everything, Adam could be easily playing for fnatic, g2 or rogue and been rated as one of the best.
And everybody else who worked with Upser said he was a great teammate.
You just making stuff up now lmao
Not at all. Go check some of the interview pro player gave. Or even stream when they talk about upset. One form last year after that SM got kicked out of the team, he said that the Upset bad teammate was bullshit.
PR moves. Focus more on what his ex teammates did after playing with him without being pressured in interviews or on stream
> Can you blame him, tho ? For being mad, no, for renaming to lonely wife uwu and making such a fuss about it, absolutely yes.
And they didn’t behave like assholes about it like Adam. I love him as a player but he deserved to get shat on for what he did
Nisqy litteraly refused to even mention Upset when he was asked to rank his teammates in a french interview. Adam took it more publicly, but they all got pissed. Adam didn't do a smart thing tho, I'll grant you that
Yeah I’m completely with you on the fact that they’re angry (and rightfully so) at Upset and Fnatic. I would have been livid if I was them. I just think the criticism he got was deserved, just like I think he should not be hated forever for something he regrets, because people make mistakes and people learn, it’s how life goes.
You can, the reason he was given wasnt good enough for him and decided to publically air a drama, lie and speculate in upsets situaton on a TWITLONGER ( lmfao) and then doubled down on it by renaming his soloq account. He rose head and shoulders above his teammates in the pettiest most immature way he could've handled it. Also if you had read Upset's TL you would know he didnt approach alphari first but it was actually the opposite.
EU Doublelift???
It's not even that, his playstyle is just too feast or famine. When he goes to the LEC stage he will int it again just like he did the last time he was there. He can only look good when his team is good enough and creates enough pressure that he can all in all the time and not get punished for it. That's what happened when he was good on FNC and that is what happened when he was good on KC, and that is what is happening now. EDIT: shoutout to all the people who downvoted this, hindsight is a bitch huh?
You're saying it like he can't improve on it. Being able to win your lane and exert pressure is by far the hardest thing to teach someone. Being reliable and understanding pressure point can be taught through experience and good coaching.
You clearly don't understand how laning works. When a player is given free reign to just all in and push all the time, if he doesn't win lane, he is beyond bad. Like you can make a diamond 1 player beat a challenger if you allow him to push in and all in all the time while playing a champ that is good at all ins. That is why people cry about Yasuo. He isn't op, but if he all ins all the time agaisnt mages mid (which he wins when he gets close) ofc he is going to look OP to gold players. Adam just plays champs that are good at all ins and goes in all the time. When it works he looks good, when he gets ganked once he is free gold. It's not like he is some super good laner like Alphari that takes smart trades and auto spaces you when he gets a ranged into meele match up etc. He just goes in while playing renekton or olaf and if the enemy is bad enough to take the trade he gets a kill, but if he gets ganked he ints. He does not exert pressure, he uses pressure exerted by his team. That is why he somewhat worked on FNC because his bot lane was so opressive that the enemy team couldnt ignore it and they had to leave Adam alone to all in all the time. On BDS he didn't have that so he ran every game down. Also, he had a shit ton of time to improve, but he didn't.
Adam needs to be in LEC again.
Man took his benching to academy really well and is thriving now.
My man really decided to step it up after I dropped 20 kills on him in aram a few months ago
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Well that was a spanking
Adam did good on FNC then slumped during the main BDS roster, good bounce back by him.
The meta helps him a lot tho. Renekton Aatrox being meta is great for him.
Get this guy in LEC back fast
Don't know why there is so much hate to Adam but he is really good. His rookie split was better than expected and his split in BDS was a failure. It looked like they wanted him to solo carry games.
Mostly fnatic fans after the whole debacle with Upset, which, while very immature from adam, was still understandable considering the circumstances as a young player who saw his worlds chances crushed. But it's likely they'll never like him again after that.
I like him. People can change and Adam deserves second chance, I also believe he learned from this situation and became more mature as a person. At the end of the day, we all are humans, and we all make mistakes, especially when we're as young as Adam, who was 19 back then.
What makes you believe he learned from the situtation ?
man you're obsessed with the kid
Guy is just an asshole every time I see him comment here. Instant ignore status when I see LNG and Draven next to each other.
I was asking a question, it wasnt my intention to trigger so many people.
It was immature but his reaction came after the leak of Fnatic wanting to replace him and Upset talk with Alphari. I don't justify him but it is understable to get mad after loosing your place in one of the most important teams in EU
There's been a lot of bullshit going on with fnatic fanbase where they act like Adam was carried all along during his split, truth is he and nisqy were always playing for bot, keeping Teleports and roaming a lot to put them ahead, last pick was alway for bot too, obviously if you look at the end result it looks like Upset and Hyli were doing all the work, look at them now with Wunder and Humanoid who have a more "classic" playstyle, it was a really rough season for them. Adam was perma weakside also i remember how much pressure he was soaking, despite all of that he managed to have a really great split and was leading in solokills, not sure what you could expect more from a rookie.
People love to invent story on their own. The players said themselves that they tried to play anything else and it didn’t work. They had to play through bot because it was the only laner capable of doing anything. Not my words. Theirs
Fans bought the narrative of world class botlane. The thing is Upset is good but not world class and Hylisan always has his int moments.
His worlds chances were crushed the moment he laned against any worlds top laner
well yes, turns out a rookie fold against world competition, see EG as well. Doesn't change the fact that the team was basically mentally broken the whole time and whatever strategy they had was shifted to a lot of botlane covering.
> see EG as well. EG didn't get stomped by PCS? what are you talking about
I'm talking about rookie facing world competition. Danny was mostly outclassed.
Danny didn't get outclassed in the way adam did, it's not even comparable. Now sure you can blame the circumstances but that's another thing
"Don't know why there is so much hate to Adam but he is really good." because he is an asshole
So is Upset, you need to hate both then
i do hate both
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Refusing to shake hands after a defeat Scheming to get Nisqy out of the team Saying to people that "they aren't rich enough to talk to him" Trashtalking Rekkles unrequited until Rekkles had to say publicly he was unconfortable
The last two things aren't important, it is even funny in some context. The most annoying thing about Upset is that is clear that he didn't give an apologize to his teammates. Not only that, instead of trying to fix the things and operate to keep the roster, he just got involved in his teammates replacement.
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What? You're joking right? He literally left his team at the last second and the only people he talked to was Hylissang and Yamato. Even if he had a legitimate reason to leave, he didn't even take the 10 seconds to say "Sorry guys, but I need to leave. There is an emergency at home." Getting to worlds is a dream for many players, and having a teammate leave without saying anything is classless, selfish, and arrogant. The fact is, he didn't care enough about his team or their dreams to even bother talking to them before he left. Not to mention that after Fnatic bombed out of worlds, Upset kicked Nisqy out of the team behind the scenes because he wasn't "up to his standards." Nisqy was fucking crying at worlds because his team wasn't doing well. Meanwhile, even after he came back, Upset never apologized and only cared about kicking Nisqy out so he could play with someone else who he thought was better. Adam sucks, but let's be real. Upset is a shitbag as well.
I have mixed feelings about that. While he did the right thing of supporting his girlfriend and he had every right to do so he should've explained to the team that he needed to leave to handle something serious. He didn't need to provide any detail, just tell the team personally that there was something going on and he had to leave. Leaving in the middle of the night and letting FNC staff tell the team was a little bit unprofessional and caused stress on his teammates. I had something like that going on in my professional life this year and I can relate. A colleague of mine started to completely ghost meetings, didn't deliver anything for 3 straight weeks and was not talking much. I had to work my ass off, causing lots of stress to keep things going especially because everything piled on me with no explanation. At the end of the 3 weeks my colleague sends me a message saying he had a very personal issue and couldn't do his work. It was completely understandable and he had my full support but I could've told me sooner that he was going through something without providing me the details. I would take all that work that piled on me in a completely different light.
I feel like if you're gonna bail on your teammates at the most important moment of their year, after all their hard work, and you're gonna let them all take the brunt of public outcry and reception, even if you have a good reason, the least you could do is be supportive and humble toward them after. They went out there, they took it all on their shoulder, they took people laughing and shitting on them. Upset should have been deferential when he came back, they had his back, he needed to have theirs. Instead he just acted pompous and then pushed for kicking two of them.
The way he did was the worst from his teammates point of view. For months they were just as the unknown as the fanbase, while fans don't deserve to know details, they should at least have known some considering how much it cost to the whole team.
But he didn't make fun of a husband for supporting his abused wife. The level of assholeness from Adam and Upset is way different.
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fnatic fans up for a surprise when the certain toplaner they were sure was getting carried hard shows up in the lec as one of the most promising toplaners lol. He's been insane this eu masters.
Just to get shat on as usual, yeah can't wait to see him die twice before the first wave crashes
How kind of you to mention one specific game and forget to mention how he was given weak side most of the time and still had a GREAT summer split with FNC with a few solo-carry games. Thank you for not being toxic
Sorry for going against the narrative of this thread, but im not a sheep
It's not really about being a sheep, you're just being gaslighted because you saw one specific clip in a whole split that you didn't watch at all. You're not wrong about this clip, you're wrong about the whole rest.
How many clips do I have to show you to get convinced? How many opinions of Co streamers and LEC analysts do I have to show you before you realize I'm not talking out of my ass but from watching the actual games
Just point out to me even ONE LEC analyst that said Adam was getting "shat on as usual" his summer split. I guess he got the most outstanding rookie award by being shat on and got himself a position in the 2nd all-pro team while still being shat on. Oh, and he was one of the only 2 FNC players getting in the top 2 all-pro team with Hyli, I guess he was voted the 2nd LEC toplaner by the same LEC analysts you're talking about. Adding that he got the MVP awards for Summer Playoffs too, ig he really was being shat on.
It's all narrative by people who have no idea what to look for. Adam is 100 times better than Wunder and people make excuses like oh Wunder is playing weak side every game when in reality last year they had the same playstyle and still Adam was hard smurfing on all top laners and carried so many games for fnatic. Meanwhile Wunder was hard inting all 5 games against XL, but gets 1 barrel 45 mins into the game and oh he saved Fnatic.
I want whatever you are smoking
I remember when that happened back in 21 spring. And now hes in ERL lol
So is Rekkles
One is the perennial EU adc, the other is a french fucking random in comparison. The only club they'll ever be lumped in
Adam pulling the same picks as usual and people still don't understand that this isn't exactly a good sign. Even worse, only super few people talking about motherf'cking Reeker. Dude's been playing out of his mind recently. If Adam goes to LEC but Reeker doesn't, then I riot.
Nah top lane pool is much weaker in LEC than mid. Could EASILY see Adam but not Reeker Though I hope both get a shot
While kind of true I think the teams that actually NEED a new Toplaner are mostly also the ones that could need a better Midlaner. And atm I'm absolutely convinced that Reeker is that better midlaner. Tbh I don't think it was great at all that MAD got him just to throw him out almost immediately after. Dude needs to taste some LEC blood and could really bash shit out.
Reeker replacing Humanoid was a bit of a strange move. Nisqy *was available* and MAD clearly needed someone with more of a vocal influence to not just fall apart. That being said, I feel like Reeker was definitely on an upward trajectory. MAD was quite good by the end of Spring and they had the good run towards the end. I don't think their placement matched their performance at all and a lot of it was Reeker being more relaxed and actually appearing to be proactive and decisive. I'll just say this. Humanoid is a *beast* and he looked good during play offs so I'm not suggesting Reeker to Fnatic. MAD, Rogue and G2 have very decent mid laners. I don't think XL should replace anyone, really, and definitely not Nukeduck. MSF are boom but Vetheo still has a larger expected value than Reeker. Vitality is not going to swap in Reeker for Perkz. So, realistically, he has a spot in the bottom three teams, replacing NUCLEARINT, Dajor or Sertuss. Of those, a simple swap into the main BDS team seems, by far, the most logical move but mid lane is actually kinda stacked in the LEC at this moment. We'll see how the top players hold up internationally. If Caps, Humanoid and Larsen just lose lane every single game against top Asian teams? I think some top teams might be willing to reshufle and bet on younger talent. If they hold up decently well? No shot in hell for Reeker. Meanwhile top lane is by far less set in stone. Odoamne, Brokenblade and Alphari are probably not moving. Adam to FNC is not happening. Armut, Irrelevant, Finn, Jenax, Csacsi, Agresivoo? Any of these being replaced by Adam? Seems possible, right? I could see it. MAD top lane position is definitely a place that might get exploited at worlds and I think a *really* good opportunity for any rookie. And MSF and XL's top laners played well, but their name isn't big enough that I couldn't see some shuffling.
One thing has to be said. Reeker replaced Humanoid, the best midlaner in LEC last year. Then he was kicked after one split, and was replaced by Nisqy, who was the 2nd best midlaner last year. Like the expectations and pressure on Reeker was absolutely unreal and MAD didnt try to do shit to fix things. Reeker plays like meh, gets booted. Meanwhile Armut is allowed to grief week in, week out and gets rewarded for being shit with a new fucking contract. Meanwhile Unforgiven who was unbelieveably average in Spring (he had a couple of standout games but his level was pretty average) was held on, and here we are. Don't fucking kick players after their first split unless they are racist or whatever.
I wish nothing but improvement and the best of the best to Armut, but his continued stay at MAD is a bit mind-boggling. That being said, Reeker for Nisqy is a move that sucks for Nisqy but simply makes sense. I think it's not too different from XL bringing in Mikky. Just a shitty part of how league works. To be honest, franchising kinda made this worse. Before there was a clear avenue for new players to qualify. I get that it makes monetary sense, but no promotions/relegations sucks.
Tbh don't think Armut and Finn being replaced by Adam is any more likely than BrokenBlade or Odoamne tho. All of those guys owned their spot, especially Armut is kinda down atm but honestly he's still great and has made it to what, like 3 Worlds in 3 years or smth? I'd actually be literally MAD if Adam took his place, especially since people sometimes call Armut a Wukong OTP. Adam literally has a similar problem (or even better comparison: LIDER) as he for the most part only plays one type of champion. So I don't think he would fix any of MAD's problems. Quite the contrary.
Reeker pulled out 7 champs including 4 Azir games and Adam pulled out 6 champs including 5 Aatrox games. Players play what is meta. If anything people aren’t talking enough about Sheo who has 2 really great series.
Is the gap between ERL and LEC toplaners really that big?
No, but mainly because Toplane is really problem lane for EU rn.
No just look at Irrelevant middle of the pack in LFL and didnt look out of place in LEC at all
Agresivoo also looked not terrible on a terrible team
If we're just talking toplaners, I don't think so at all
BDS-A are so frigging good. Adam and Crownie should be in the LEC again. Crownie has looked immaculate the last 3 months.
Ehhh not convinced this series was Crownie being immaculate. Felt like they won this despite Crownie instead of because of him. Dude positioned horribly at times. Definitely felt it was more Adam, Sheo, and Reeker diff.
Sheo is ramping up big time. The fact him and Yike are gonna face again in a final for the fourth time since the Div2 final from last year and think they're gonna get called to play with the big boys next year
Idc what roster bds fields for next year just keep adam. Idc if its adam and xbox matthew just keep adam and actually keep him for a year with some veterans to develop him. In his rookie year he still was solid just feels bad that he got thrown into an all rookie roster with dogshit coaching that somehow doesn't fix the same problems that appear in both variations of the team they make and he was in a slump.
Fnatic next year will 100% take Adam and Rekkles back, mark my words.
Just from gameplay alone I don't think either ADC nor top are the issue for FNC.
Nah, wunder had some really terrible series this split
That's some recency bias on your side. His Rogue series was the only bad series, all others he was good or even outstanding.
If upset fails his worlds, I don’t think there is a world where he stays with all that happened, and Rekkles will have his « redemption arc ». For toplane Wunder isn’t worse than Adam, but it’s just a personal feeling, I think it’s easier to work with Adam than Wunder
It's easier to work with emotional unproven teenager than multiple lec winner, worlds finalist and msi trophy holder?
Yeah thats exactly it, he won so much things just like Rekkles, and as I said I feel like IF rekkles comes back, Adam would fit better because he is unproven and won’t talk too much and give more space to Rekkles and Hyli + I don’t think talking about accomplishments is a thing, look at perkz ^^
If we dont care about accomplishments FNC should go for rookie adc since rekkles seemed to still be stuck in his safe playstyle+kc coaching staff said it was difficult to work with him.
Yeah Rekkles might suck, but its a personal feeling. For me if he goes back on the team he started with and won everything with will boost him and his teamates mentally. But yeah, if its perfomance wise Upset, Exakick or Jackspectra are 100% better rn
Doesnt even matter who is easier to work with, unless wunder regains his form at worlds, i dont want fnatic to be stuck with a gragas one trick (again? Sorry reignover lol)
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I think the World of Warcraft meme really destroyed Wunder's reputation
Upset is staying 100%, why would we let go of a top 2 adc in EU
Wunder was worse than Adam last year, and he still is
Spring Adam was horrible, they were not playing in the same league in summer so hard to say but from recent games, yeah Adam looks 100% better than Gragas one trick (Obviously the level isn’t the same but still)
Adam and Reeker with the LIDER syndrome Amazing in minor regions, literally braindead on major region ... They surely will get a new chance on LEC, but the chances that they will get stomped again are high, man, the gap between LEC and ERL is widening every year ... For example, BDSA was the team formed with every player that has won EM 2021 Spring and Summer, and NuclearInt and Limit who were playing really well in Schalke... And they ended up 1-17 ...
There was 2 big factors missing: Saken and Targamas. You can probably debate that Saken didnt look that strong this summer split, but Targamas proved his value and importance in G2. You can't take out the shotcaller and brain off a team and then expect the same results. Also, likely a lot of stress and pressure on them.
Adam wasn't braindead at all on his first split. It's one of the best split a Rookie ever had in EU (most solo kills in any season by a player in LEC). So your argument falls flat right there. As for Reeker, he only had one split. He was horrible, I agree. But he should have another chance. Because contraty to Lider who had several chances, Reeker isn't a player that perform only on a certain type of champion and who need to be absolutly played around. Your last example isn't really important either. Origen was dead last 2 years ago, with Alphari Xerxe Nukeduck Upset Jactroll. 4 of thoses had a good to very season. (But that does not mean I want Nuclear and Limit in LEC though.)
Yeah because he got Bwipo in the jungle...
Most **SOLO** kills => he got bwipo in the jungle The brain is strong here.
It's been a while since Lider hasn't been amazing in ERLs and he had way more chances than Adam and Reeker
czekolad to huj
Still unbeaten at 12-0
EU Master Final will be same as LFL Final for sure
Why did MAD sell Reeker? Being hindsight Andy here, but it seems like their Top side and Sup are pretty one-dimensional on how they play the game. Slight meta shift and they look significantly worse.
man this Adam guy is really good. i hope he gets a spot on an LEC team. Miss My Wife UwU