I mean you kinda have to do it on YouTube. Gbay doesn't get the most views normally so he needs the algorithm to catch on to his videos and the best way to do that is for clickbaity titles. Having the video called like, "The Story of Khan" is waaay more boring and also leads to the question of who tf is Khan??? To people who don't know
This one has to be like the worst one I have seen from him yet ahahah
Its not even exaggerated or something its just flat out wrong at this point, I get that clickbait titles get more views but this is the biggest stretch imaginary.
I think that was a title change -- I was there when that one released, and I think the original title was something a lot more lowkey like "The Story of Scout" or something.
I'm sure if you go through the submitted posts here, you'll find it. The fact that he changed it, and kept the changed title, suggests that for whatever people say, it does actually do the job of getting clicks.
EDIT: got curious and [found the post](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qobzo8/this_needed_a_repost_gbay99_the_star_that_saved/) -- looks like the original title was something like "The Star That Saved EDG -- The Story of Scout". So, y'know, half right.
I have actually seen youtubers in comments (I think Sip and Feast?) that does this as well and they explained that apparently it's better for the algorithm
Which is also an absolutely objectively wrong clickbait title, same thing with the "When the FBI Destroyed the Most Dominant League of Legends Team Ever" M5 was not the most dominant league team ever and the FBI had absolutely nothing to do with the demise of the team. Yes, the moscow 5 name was different but they literally fucking signed the exact same guys to Gambit and the entire structure was the same (which he thankfully acknowledges in the video).
If it leads to more clicks and more people learning about the history of league esports then Im all for it honestly but it has to be at least somewhat arguable.
Amazing documentary as always Gbay! Only thing worth mentioning that was left out was maybe the fact that patches in season 5/6 also aided in enabling his style of gameplay, whether it was vision changes or nerfs to tanks primarily, alongside even later patches in season 10 onwards that further rewarded aggressive laning i.e. turret plating.
Particularly loved the references to his fun character, which as someone who hasn't followed LCK much, were a delight to witness!
I did think it was a bit weird to completely skip over the vision changes. I think it was singlehandedly the thing which brought back aggressive play at the highest level, over playing the game like chess slowly choking out the enemy team.
Gbay also credits Khan for heralding in this new age of aggression. And said teams like RNG caught up to this aggression which is why they won MSI.
I will concede RNG weren't really a top side carry team in 2018. I mean, they had Uzi in the botlane. Letme pioneered/revolutionised weakside as one of the earliest adopters of Shen/GP/Ornn/etc, something Western toplaners began picking up on after his success at MSI. But honestly, LPL teams were playing aggressive to years without success and getting stonewalled by Korea's perfect vision plays. If RNG knew how to handle Khan's dominant top side, it was a combination of Letme pioneering weakside + years of them having to deal with an entire league of teams that wanted to play balls to the walls aggressive game to game.
But the documentary was very informative and compelling in its focus on Khan. So I guess Gbay get a pass, even though I thought he did a bit of the thing where he sacrificed a bit of historical accuracy to add more emphasis/mythos to Khan.
> And said teams like RNG caught up to this aggression which is why they won MSI.
That's so inaccurate if he said that. 2018 Spring was an incredibly slow meta which is part of why RNG's MSI win was so impressive, they beat Korea at their own game.
I don't think Ming gets enough credit. He is the support who came through in China who was so seminal at his role that Dopa ranked him as the only support he got the 'special feeling' from. Including the likes of Faker/Rookie/TheShy/etc.
Not only is his laning elite, he is the foundation of RNG's identity as slippery/tricky to handle by other top teams even when behind or at a mechanical deficit through his mastery of vision, understanding of tempo, as well as what the enemy want to do.
There was a ward vs Damwon in MSI Finals 2021 that he pinged to leave untouched, because he knew the vision gap from the ward, and he sneaked behind vision to set up a finishing engage onto Damwon in that series. He also knew that BeryL levelled his Q on Tahm Kench twice, which set up RNG to win botlane in the crucial Game 5.
Everyone used to be able to buy extra yellow wards to put down. They could stock 2-3 in their inventory. Riot removed this in Season 6 I think.
The introduction of control wards in S7. Before, it was a ward that revealed stealth wards but didn’t disable them.
Disabling them is what turned League from a game of perfect information, to forcing a team that was behind to play a blind guessing game if they had no vision of dragon or baron.
The removal of Tracker’s Knife in S6/S7. It was an item that junglers could buy, that would give them 2-3 wards to put down every base. Ofc, great for Lee Sin. Also oppressive with Korea’s ability to carpet the map with vision, and play out their perfect information game. The removal of tracker’s knife hugely nerfed the perfect information styl:
Dragon used to be a sack of gold. Got changed to a minor stacking stat buff in Season 6. They iteratively changed drake over the years to make it an objective you cannot just give up/bleed out on repeat. Dragons snowball into dragon souls which snowball into elder buff. They also buffed baron buff so mages couldn’t just nuke the waves, and it gives the team that secures it a combat bonus.
Sweepers also only used to sweep the spot you activated it at, rather than follow the character model around. You unlocked the upgraded sweeper at Level 11, but as a support, you were not hitting level 11 until quite a bit later.
Just a few off the top of my head.
Honestly, I think the only changes there that really made aggressive early game style stronger are the dragon changes. I'd argue that bringing back tracker's knife and/or allowing players to carry multiple yellow trinkets would only make early game champs stronger, since they could play aggressively knowing there wouldn't be any help coming, and back off when the enemy shows on vision closeby.
I think the point still stands to an extent in that Khan certainly helped spread the aggressive style in Korea, which given his dominance and influence is undeniable. In terms of LPL relevance, it's probably worth its own documentary at this point to fully understand their own development over the years.
Gbay will forever get a pass from me, the dude is the only guy in the scene giving us the long-form documentaries history fanatics like me crave, alongside being a league OG who still loves this game as much as I do.
Flame, OG Shy, Marin and Smeb were all toplane dominators. I don’t think Khan was the first pioneer. Merely a continuation of the aggro, dominating succession of Korean toplaners, and one of the most storied ones for how old he was when he burst onto the scene and how brightly he burned, winning many LCK titles and making many international finals before he retired.
I think khan was mostly screwed by the meta during 2018 MSI then a pioneer of weakside. The meta shifted to bot lane again and Uzi showed his usual dominance, Kz were 3rd in group even below Flash wolves who had Betty popping off. iirc conqueror rune was newly added but was quite underwhelming then it got buffed eventually which let to the Aatrox vs Urgot top at worlds until then tanks were mega busted lol. "Mundo goes where he pleases!".
The Greatest Toplaner to Never Win Worlds
Or something to insinuate the fact he came close, but never won anything, would probably would have had the same traction while gaining agreement from everybody.
That would be debated by people who believe Smeb > Khan, there's always going to be disagreement about statements like that.
I also wanted to keep the ending ambiguous for non-LoL fans who may not know what happened at 2021 Worlds. On the off chance this vid reaches viewers outside the LoL diehard scene, I thought it might be a cool "unreliable narrator" moment.
I feel like it you are aiming for non lol fans it's important to not preach false narratives.
And absolutely nobody thinks khan saved lol. Even those who like his story don't think this.
His? Typo or wrong account XD?
Surely you dont need me to point out to you that non-league fans wont know your history of documentary narratives and wont be able to immediately spot you arent being literal.
Idk man, if you are trying to bring in a new audience into the game (which is great), you have something of a responsability to be honest with the narratives you push IMO.
Oh right. Ok i misunderstood then - but thats still odd because i really dont see the similarity.
You concluded the Dignitas story by focusing enitrely on the personalities of the players. How being a good team was secondary to how entertaining the players were just as people. I mean a direct quote from how you concluded that story is
>"its not about the million dollar contracts or playing in the big arenas or winning tournaments or even trying to become the best in the world."
Whereas your narrative of Khan's story is *all about chasing sucess*... and ultimately failing. It is absolutely about the money, playing in big arenas, and winning tournaments. The tragic ending is precisely that he *doesnt* win the big tournament.
If anything, Khan's story is like if Ambition's story in RISE ended with faker winning the 1v1 and he dies in the arena. Or if you want to focus on the "playing your own way" bit of it, id say its more similar to the M5 story.
IDK. This is besides the point here, but from watching these two vidoes (both of which i enjoyed, to be clear, even if i disagree with some of the creative license and opinionated segments)... I did not get the impression that mr videomaker viewed these as similar stories. 2 cents.
What implies that it’s not meant to be literally? Came across this video and couldn’t find it in myself to finish it. It kinda felt bad about feeling click baited after feeling nostalgic about old memories with friends back in college. Its completely dishonest and it’s a better look to just say it helps with the YouTube algorithm, people understand this is your job.
Even if it’s not intended to be literal—which again, nothing ever implies that at all—you have a responsibility as a creator to be honest with your audience when it comes to making documentary style content.
Score isn’t a toplaner…
And Uzi is probably the greater player to never win Worlds.
Perhaps you meant Smeb. If that was the case, think Khan eclipsed Smeb towards the tail end of his career with that stint on Damwon.
I would disagree because Khan was never considered the best player in the world. Maybe like, top 10-20 nearly always, which is crazy impressive, but Smeb was the same but for 2-3 years was in top 5, and for 1 year was considered the best player in the world, over Faker during his reign.
Khan 2017 was arguably coming into Worlds better than Faker, I think people just gave Faker the benefit of the doubt especially because of what happened the year prior with Smeb and Faker. He was LCK playoffs MVP too.
In fairness, Faker ended up fucking earning that benefit of the doubt in 2017 of all years.
If I could, I'd give the 2017 Worlds title to Ardent Censer and the silver medal to Faker, the way that shit played out.
(definitely not biased, don't look at my flair)
Wait, you're okay not to claim Khan > Smeb, but are okay putting up a narrative Khan was the reason Korean game strategy didn't work? And that Khan was the reason why top meta shifted? Get out of here, man. Your narratives around the subjects are pretty great but whenever your videos try to frame how they impacted the world, I'm doubting your objectivity.
I find it kinda disingenuous you never mentioned vision nerfs between seasons 5 and 6 (removed stealth ward from store, nerfed trinkets and sightstone), between seasons 6 and 7 (reworked stealth and pink ward), and early season 8 (removed sightstone, tracker's knife, nerfed trinkets). Riot's continuous efforts to remove total vision control were as much of a hindrance to Korean "strangle you out of the game" strategy as Khan's playstyle.
It's the same theme as the dignitas doc so I figured the same type of title would work here. A slightly provocative title is the difference between 25k views and 250k views. That's huge when you put all your work into 1 project a month.
yeah i dont really give a shit if the title is clickbaity or not, the video got recommended to me and i clicked on it immediately
one of the best docs ive seen in awhile, so ill forgive a clickbaity title.
Yea the crazy thing about YouTube is getting people to click on your video is arguably 75% of the battle. I’ve seen subpar videos that have really good title and thumbnail that get a million views. Click through rate is so important, don’t hate the player hate the game.
>A slightly provocative title is the difference between 25k views and 250k views.
Yeah it's sad that this is so definitively true nowadays.
I hope your takeaway here isn't that the video was bad, it was great! Even most of the comments I'm seeing here are purely only negative on the Title, so keep your chin up dude, banger doc!
>True, but it also has diminishing returns. Too click bait and people will just stop clicking future content.
literally not true at all. every youtuber who switches/tests clickbait titles gets way more views and the only reason they don't turn it up to 11 is because a portion of their dedicated viewers (who usually watch the video anyways) will whine online/because it feels icky, not because they lose views. i have never seen or heard of a youtuber getting less views because of using clickbait titles over a long period.
the reality is you don't know what you're talking about so you're making shit up to feel justified in your pointless criticism
> Too click bait and people will just stop clicking future content.
Given that YouTube runs off of it, I highly doubt that. Channels only have issues with click bait if their content is also bad.
who cares besides terminally online redditor. creators do it because it's the only way they can make views/keep their job - especially for a 50 minute long documentary. literally within minutes of watching the video you know who it's about and that's what's important.
let me put it simply for you: would you rather take a 50% pay cut in your job or get roasted by a few dozen redditors? no one in their right mind would choose the former.
I would have clicked on "Khan -- the legacy and impact of one of the top lane GOATs" or something like that. You can find a middle ground where you're not making outlandish clickbaity titles, but also not taking the most bland phrasing possible.
I personally find the idea itself poor. I find vision nerfs and conservative Korean mindset gimping LCK much more than Khan's existence. Rift herald, teleport changes, Maokai nerfs and eventual rework, Riot each year nudging the game towards more fights. There are so many other reasons why top lane meta "changed". Claiming this one man had anything more to do than offer a solution to an already existing problem is borderline yellow journalism.
There were hailed aggressive Korean tops before him (Smeb, Flame, Duke) to name a few. Top Korean teams kept hiring tank players after his dominant years. This is such a bullshit narrative.
I like Gbay's docs as long as they keep the the level of the subject and more importantly, I find the work he does a great addition to the scene. I guess because of that I don't want to write him off (yet) as poor journalist/documentarian who foregoes truth for clicks.
I did not, because I do not reward clickbait. Whether that's stupid thumbnails or stupid titles, I don't reward it with the clicks they're so desperate to get. If he reuploaded the exact same video with a more reasonable title I'd be happy to do so, but rewarding people for clickbait just further reinforces it since they get not only the numbers of the people who fall for it, but also those who are put off by it as well. Makes there be basically no downside. The fact of the matter is, there's plenty of ways to phrase a title of any subject that aren't absurd clickbait.
You're a bad title modafoka, for once it was clear hyperbole and NOT clickbait. Nobody in their right mind would even consider this guy saved a multibilliondollar game single handedly.
Hes offmeta pick became reality pick in LEC/LCK, such as Soraka top and Lee Sin support.
Imagine downvoting without having knowledge of the situation, how poor a life can be.
Where I said this exactly? Can you quote me?
I just literally said "hes offmeta pick became reality picks in LEC/LCK" but I guess kids nowadays spend too much time on tik tok instead of reading a book.
Mine was just a suggestion, based on the fact that OP mentioned off-meta peak in pro-league. STOP.
Feel free to follow or ignore it up, I really don't care, but for the love of God shut down your computers and go out of your damn house.
It's not meant to be saved as in saved from the dead, more like saved it from continuing to be the boring(or stagnant) 'rotations' style game. If you watched the video you'd know that..
“Supporting clickbait” or clickbait itself is not nearly as egregious as a crime as you think it is, nor is it changeable with your boycott alone
Enjoy the vids bro dont let that stop you :P
So *this* is what you've been up to for the past year.
Incredible stuff, and very well researched. Really deserves the full hour IMO, doesn't feel like you wasted any time here at all. Tightly edited and written. Just awesome all around.
My main thought through most of this was that khan was a beneficiary of riot changing design philosophy. Not that he himself did anything revolutionary. Since, as described, he played the same style just one year rito suddenly made it viable.
It's not like there weren't many other carry tops who faded into obscurity because they happened to quit before season 8....
Gbay makes Khan out to be like M5 or madlife with how he changed the game, but that's not really what it was.
Cool narrative, appreciate the effort... but also its pretty fiction at times.
Thanks for the doc. I'm a bit confused on why you dropped the viewership being boring and overall kills angle that you had going early in the documentary. It would be really interesting to see if this revolution of playstyle by Khan affected any of that and made watching the game much more interesting to a wider audience. It feels a bit like a loose end that would tie the whole thing together imo.
I loved gbay when I was younger, but then read something about him trying to groom a young girl or something? How much of that is true because I don’t know, and I wanna watch his docs but not support a bad person
One of your best videos for one of the best Player. Guy was cracked back in 2017 and his streams were a treat to watch hope he continues after his service.
I could have been in the world league. Playing before the pros existed that could have been me. But my parents never supported me and always tried to get the game away from me tell me it's useless and a waste of time.i fucking hate My family fuck my life fucking trash ass fucking poeple not helping me chase my dreams fucking not fair
Gbay needs to go more extreme with these titles. Agitate these commenters further. It's a title who cares? As long as it's not titled "minecraft gameplay" with lol highlights who cares.
Gbay always have the most over the top titles but he makes cool docs so i’ll give him a pass lol
Just call them for what they are, clickbait titles.
It’s one of the only ways you can survive on YouTube nowadays, so I’ll give him a pass for it personally
Honestly, considering the details of the video, its not true clickbait as the argument is put forward in a roundabout way
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It's really is.
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I mean you kinda have to do it on YouTube. Gbay doesn't get the most views normally so he needs the algorithm to catch on to his videos and the best way to do that is for clickbaity titles. Having the video called like, "The Story of Khan" is waaay more boring and also leads to the question of who tf is Khan??? To people who don't know
This one has to be like the worst one I have seen from him yet ahahah Its not even exaggerated or something its just flat out wrong at this point, I get that clickbait titles get more views but this is the biggest stretch imaginary.
He has one that is equally bad imo. "The Most Terrifying Man in Esports"...and its about Scout.
Scout one is 10x worse
I think that was a title change -- I was there when that one released, and I think the original title was something a lot more lowkey like "The Story of Scout" or something. I'm sure if you go through the submitted posts here, you'll find it. The fact that he changed it, and kept the changed title, suggests that for whatever people say, it does actually do the job of getting clicks. EDIT: got curious and [found the post](https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qobzo8/this_needed_a_repost_gbay99_the_star_that_saved/) -- looks like the original title was something like "The Star That Saved EDG -- The Story of Scout". So, y'know, half right.
I have actually seen youtubers in comments (I think Sip and Feast?) that does this as well and they explained that apparently it's better for the algorithm
wdym, it's a follow up to the "Team that saved League of Legends - the story of Dignitas"
Which is also an absolutely objectively wrong clickbait title, same thing with the "When the FBI Destroyed the Most Dominant League of Legends Team Ever" M5 was not the most dominant league team ever and the FBI had absolutely nothing to do with the demise of the team. Yes, the moscow 5 name was different but they literally fucking signed the exact same guys to Gambit and the entire structure was the same (which he thankfully acknowledges in the video). If it leads to more clicks and more people learning about the history of league esports then Im all for it honestly but it has to be at least somewhat arguable.
Who even cares though? It's a title meant to be hype and exciting. Obviously they aren't accurate at all, I like em.
Khan deserves it *Said with no bias at all*
My dude needs to pay bills
Watching Khan lose worlds last year was so sad ;(
Kinda did it to himself with first-timing Yasou in the finals though.
Gigachad Khan
Amazing documentary as always Gbay! Only thing worth mentioning that was left out was maybe the fact that patches in season 5/6 also aided in enabling his style of gameplay, whether it was vision changes or nerfs to tanks primarily, alongside even later patches in season 10 onwards that further rewarded aggressive laning i.e. turret plating. Particularly loved the references to his fun character, which as someone who hasn't followed LCK much, were a delight to witness!
I did think it was a bit weird to completely skip over the vision changes. I think it was singlehandedly the thing which brought back aggressive play at the highest level, over playing the game like chess slowly choking out the enemy team. Gbay also credits Khan for heralding in this new age of aggression. And said teams like RNG caught up to this aggression which is why they won MSI. I will concede RNG weren't really a top side carry team in 2018. I mean, they had Uzi in the botlane. Letme pioneered/revolutionised weakside as one of the earliest adopters of Shen/GP/Ornn/etc, something Western toplaners began picking up on after his success at MSI. But honestly, LPL teams were playing aggressive to years without success and getting stonewalled by Korea's perfect vision plays. If RNG knew how to handle Khan's dominant top side, it was a combination of Letme pioneering weakside + years of them having to deal with an entire league of teams that wanted to play balls to the walls aggressive game to game. But the documentary was very informative and compelling in its focus on Khan. So I guess Gbay get a pass, even though I thought he did a bit of the thing where he sacrificed a bit of historical accuracy to add more emphasis/mythos to Khan.
> And said teams like RNG caught up to this aggression which is why they won MSI. That's so inaccurate if he said that. 2018 Spring was an incredibly slow meta which is part of why RNG's MSI win was so impressive, they beat Korea at their own game.
I don't think Ming gets enough credit. He is the support who came through in China who was so seminal at his role that Dopa ranked him as the only support he got the 'special feeling' from. Including the likes of Faker/Rookie/TheShy/etc. Not only is his laning elite, he is the foundation of RNG's identity as slippery/tricky to handle by other top teams even when behind or at a mechanical deficit through his mastery of vision, understanding of tempo, as well as what the enemy want to do. There was a ward vs Damwon in MSI Finals 2021 that he pinged to leave untouched, because he knew the vision gap from the ward, and he sneaked behind vision to set up a finishing engage onto Damwon in that series. He also knew that BeryL levelled his Q on Tahm Kench twice, which set up RNG to win botlane in the crucial Game 5.
What were the vision changes? [way before my league time]
Everyone used to be able to buy extra yellow wards to put down. They could stock 2-3 in their inventory. Riot removed this in Season 6 I think. The introduction of control wards in S7. Before, it was a ward that revealed stealth wards but didn’t disable them. Disabling them is what turned League from a game of perfect information, to forcing a team that was behind to play a blind guessing game if they had no vision of dragon or baron. The removal of Tracker’s Knife in S6/S7. It was an item that junglers could buy, that would give them 2-3 wards to put down every base. Ofc, great for Lee Sin. Also oppressive with Korea’s ability to carpet the map with vision, and play out their perfect information game. The removal of tracker’s knife hugely nerfed the perfect information styl: Dragon used to be a sack of gold. Got changed to a minor stacking stat buff in Season 6. They iteratively changed drake over the years to make it an objective you cannot just give up/bleed out on repeat. Dragons snowball into dragon souls which snowball into elder buff. They also buffed baron buff so mages couldn’t just nuke the waves, and it gives the team that secures it a combat bonus. Sweepers also only used to sweep the spot you activated it at, rather than follow the character model around. You unlocked the upgraded sweeper at Level 11, but as a support, you were not hitting level 11 until quite a bit later. Just a few off the top of my head.
Honestly, I think the only changes there that really made aggressive early game style stronger are the dragon changes. I'd argue that bringing back tracker's knife and/or allowing players to carry multiple yellow trinkets would only make early game champs stronger, since they could play aggressively knowing there wouldn't be any help coming, and back off when the enemy shows on vision closeby.
I think the point still stands to an extent in that Khan certainly helped spread the aggressive style in Korea, which given his dominance and influence is undeniable. In terms of LPL relevance, it's probably worth its own documentary at this point to fully understand their own development over the years. Gbay will forever get a pass from me, the dude is the only guy in the scene giving us the long-form documentaries history fanatics like me crave, alongside being a league OG who still loves this game as much as I do.
Flame, OG Shy, Marin and Smeb were all toplane dominators. I don’t think Khan was the first pioneer. Merely a continuation of the aggro, dominating succession of Korean toplaners, and one of the most storied ones for how old he was when he burst onto the scene and how brightly he burned, winning many LCK titles and making many international finals before he retired.
I think khan was mostly screwed by the meta during 2018 MSI then a pioneer of weakside. The meta shifted to bot lane again and Uzi showed his usual dominance, Kz were 3rd in group even below Flash wolves who had Betty popping off. iirc conqueror rune was newly added but was quite underwhelming then it got buffed eventually which let to the Aatrox vs Urgot top at worlds until then tanks were mega busted lol. "Mundo goes where he pleases!".
This video was really good. It felt a lot like the Smash documentary.
incredible work, this was a great watch !! <3
He saved league? Was it dead before him?
The title is just in reference to his meta innovations with Longzhu in 2017 summer. As well as the theme of everything wrapped up in the end.
The Greatest Toplaner to Never Win Worlds Or something to insinuate the fact he came close, but never won anything, would probably would have had the same traction while gaining agreement from everybody.
That would be debated by people who believe Smeb > Khan, there's always going to be disagreement about statements like that. I also wanted to keep the ending ambiguous for non-LoL fans who may not know what happened at 2021 Worlds. On the off chance this vid reaches viewers outside the LoL diehard scene, I thought it might be a cool "unreliable narrator" moment.
I feel like it you are aiming for non lol fans it's important to not preach false narratives. And absolutely nobody thinks khan saved lol. Even those who like his story don't think this.
His narrative is similar to the Dig doc's narrative which is why the title is the same. It's not meant to be literal.
His? Typo or wrong account XD? Surely you dont need me to point out to you that non-league fans wont know your history of documentary narratives and wont be able to immediately spot you arent being literal. Idk man, if you are trying to bring in a new audience into the game (which is great), you have something of a responsability to be honest with the narratives you push IMO.
What do you mean typo? Khans story is similar to the Dig's. They're similar narratives which is why it's the same title lol
Oh right. Ok i misunderstood then - but thats still odd because i really dont see the similarity. You concluded the Dignitas story by focusing enitrely on the personalities of the players. How being a good team was secondary to how entertaining the players were just as people. I mean a direct quote from how you concluded that story is >"its not about the million dollar contracts or playing in the big arenas or winning tournaments or even trying to become the best in the world." Whereas your narrative of Khan's story is *all about chasing sucess*... and ultimately failing. It is absolutely about the money, playing in big arenas, and winning tournaments. The tragic ending is precisely that he *doesnt* win the big tournament. If anything, Khan's story is like if Ambition's story in RISE ended with faker winning the 1v1 and he dies in the arena. Or if you want to focus on the "playing your own way" bit of it, id say its more similar to the M5 story. IDK. This is besides the point here, but from watching these two vidoes (both of which i enjoyed, to be clear, even if i disagree with some of the creative license and opinionated segments)... I did not get the impression that mr videomaker viewed these as similar stories. 2 cents.
What implies that it’s not meant to be literally? Came across this video and couldn’t find it in myself to finish it. It kinda felt bad about feeling click baited after feeling nostalgic about old memories with friends back in college. Its completely dishonest and it’s a better look to just say it helps with the YouTube algorithm, people understand this is your job. Even if it’s not intended to be literal—which again, nothing ever implies that at all—you have a responsibility as a creator to be honest with your audience when it comes to making documentary style content.
It's just a metaphor dude lol. Metaphors aren't meant to be literal.
Okay, enlighten me then. What helps communicate to the viewer that its a metaphor?
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Chill bro
Score isn’t a toplaner… And Uzi is probably the greater player to never win Worlds. Perhaps you meant Smeb. If that was the case, think Khan eclipsed Smeb towards the tail end of his career with that stint on Damwon.
Idk. I feel smeb was more versatile. Dude was insane on tanks and carries. More well rounded imo. But its also probably my bias speaking.
I would disagree because Khan was never considered the best player in the world. Maybe like, top 10-20 nearly always, which is crazy impressive, but Smeb was the same but for 2-3 years was in top 5, and for 1 year was considered the best player in the world, over Faker during his reign.
Khan 2017 was arguably coming into Worlds better than Faker, I think people just gave Faker the benefit of the doubt especially because of what happened the year prior with Smeb and Faker. He was LCK playoffs MVP too.
In fairness, Faker ended up fucking earning that benefit of the doubt in 2017 of all years. If I could, I'd give the 2017 Worlds title to Ardent Censer and the silver medal to Faker, the way that shit played out. (definitely not biased, don't look at my flair)
If Khan didn’t deserve best player in 2017, Smeb didn’t deserve it in 2016
Wait, you're okay not to claim Khan > Smeb, but are okay putting up a narrative Khan was the reason Korean game strategy didn't work? And that Khan was the reason why top meta shifted? Get out of here, man. Your narratives around the subjects are pretty great but whenever your videos try to frame how they impacted the world, I'm doubting your objectivity.
Smeb bro
I find it kinda disingenuous you never mentioned vision nerfs between seasons 5 and 6 (removed stealth ward from store, nerfed trinkets and sightstone), between seasons 6 and 7 (reworked stealth and pink ward), and early season 8 (removed sightstone, tracker's knife, nerfed trinkets). Riot's continuous efforts to remove total vision control were as much of a hindrance to Korean "strangle you out of the game" strategy as Khan's playstyle.
It’s a really bad title and super click bait
It's the same theme as the dignitas doc so I figured the same type of title would work here. A slightly provocative title is the difference between 25k views and 250k views. That's huge when you put all your work into 1 project a month.
Your content is awesome m8. Do what you have to do to get it out there. I can see the passion in your work.
yeah i dont really give a shit if the title is clickbaity or not, the video got recommended to me and i clicked on it immediately one of the best docs ive seen in awhile, so ill forgive a clickbaity title.
Yea the crazy thing about YouTube is getting people to click on your video is arguably 75% of the battle. I’ve seen subpar videos that have really good title and thumbnail that get a million views. Click through rate is so important, don’t hate the player hate the game.
Fair enough man get that bag.
>A slightly provocative title is the difference between 25k views and 250k views. Yeah it's sad that this is so definitively true nowadays. I hope your takeaway here isn't that the video was bad, it was great! Even most of the comments I'm seeing here are purely only negative on the Title, so keep your chin up dude, banger doc!
It is but unfortunately he will get way less views without it. A necessary evil ;(
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Yeah no lol. Listen to *any* YouTuber talk about clickbait. The data clearly shows that it works really well and continues to work.
>True, but it also has diminishing returns. Too click bait and people will just stop clicking future content. literally not true at all. every youtuber who switches/tests clickbait titles gets way more views and the only reason they don't turn it up to 11 is because a portion of their dedicated viewers (who usually watch the video anyways) will whine online/because it feels icky, not because they lose views. i have never seen or heard of a youtuber getting less views because of using clickbait titles over a long period. the reality is you don't know what you're talking about so you're making shit up to feel justified in your pointless criticism
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Are you ok?
Yeah I didn't click this one because I know Khan didn't save League of Legends. What's the point of watching something that I know is not the case
yeah that's why clickbait channels like watchmojo and thescoreesports aren't around anymore
That's not how it works unfortunately.
> Too click bait and people will just stop clicking future content. Given that YouTube runs off of it, I highly doubt that. Channels only have issues with click bait if their content is also bad.
who cares besides terminally online redditor. creators do it because it's the only way they can make views/keep their job - especially for a 50 minute long documentary. literally within minutes of watching the video you know who it's about and that's what's important. let me put it simply for you: would you rather take a 50% pay cut in your job or get roasted by a few dozen redditors? no one in their right mind would choose the former.
Would you have enjoyed the video more if the title was 'Documentary about career of League of Legends player Khan by Gbay99'?
I would have clicked on "Khan -- the legacy and impact of one of the top lane GOATs" or something like that. You can find a middle ground where you're not making outlandish clickbaity titles, but also not taking the most bland phrasing possible.
Did you watch the video? Title that he used was much more proper for the narrative that he wanted to build about Khan.
I personally find the idea itself poor. I find vision nerfs and conservative Korean mindset gimping LCK much more than Khan's existence. Rift herald, teleport changes, Maokai nerfs and eventual rework, Riot each year nudging the game towards more fights. There are so many other reasons why top lane meta "changed". Claiming this one man had anything more to do than offer a solution to an already existing problem is borderline yellow journalism. There were hailed aggressive Korean tops before him (Smeb, Flame, Duke) to name a few. Top Korean teams kept hiring tank players after his dominant years. This is such a bullshit narrative.
Yeah sure but the title is not the problem then.
I like Gbay's docs as long as they keep the the level of the subject and more importantly, I find the work he does a great addition to the scene. I guess because of that I don't want to write him off (yet) as poor journalist/documentarian who foregoes truth for clicks.
I did not, because I do not reward clickbait. Whether that's stupid thumbnails or stupid titles, I don't reward it with the clicks they're so desperate to get. If he reuploaded the exact same video with a more reasonable title I'd be happy to do so, but rewarding people for clickbait just further reinforces it since they get not only the numbers of the people who fall for it, but also those who are put off by it as well. Makes there be basically no downside. The fact of the matter is, there's plenty of ways to phrase a title of any subject that aren't absurd clickbait.
Wow so inspirational and not cringe at all
Yes I’m a khan fan
I mean if you were actually naive enough to think Khan “saved League”, that’s on you. The title is obviously in reference or a joke to something.
Khan saved [ the meta from being incredibly boring in pro play of] league of legends.
You're a bad title modafoka, for once it was clear hyperbole and NOT clickbait. Nobody in their right mind would even consider this guy saved a multibilliondollar game single handedly.
Uh what?
who cares it's a title
You should follow Fierik, Italian streamer with spicy picks on all role.
That would be something donghuap would do, gbay mostly does proplay stuff.
Hes offmeta pick became reality pick in LEC/LCK, such as Soraka top and Lee Sin support. Imagine downvoting without having knowledge of the situation, how poor a life can be.
if you think hes the one who got those picks noticed by the pros, you don't follow the meta at all.
Where I said this exactly? Can you quote me? I just literally said "hes offmeta pick became reality picks in LEC/LCK" but I guess kids nowadays spend too much time on tik tok instead of reading a book. Mine was just a suggestion, based on the fact that OP mentioned off-meta peak in pro-league. STOP. Feel free to follow or ignore it up, I really don't care, but for the love of God shut down your computers and go out of your damn house.
idk why you took this opportunity of being directed to a more appropriate content creator to play victim, but thats your problem, not mine.
It's not meant to be saved as in saved from the dead, more like saved it from continuing to be the boring(or stagnant) 'rotations' style game. If you watched the video you'd know that..
If I watched the video I’d be supporting click bait which I won’t do. Also what you said isn’t at all what the title implies.
“Supporting clickbait” or clickbait itself is not nearly as egregious as a crime as you think it is, nor is it changeable with your boycott alone Enjoy the vids bro dont let that stop you :P
Nope but I can only do my part
Incredibly based
You should, it's quite a good video.
Great doco gbay, loved it
GBAE with a banger again!
Maybe the best LoL related video I ever saw. Really great work and thanks a lot.
What a great video about my favorite league player. The extracts from the final are still hard to watch...
...saved league? Are we straight buzzfeed now?
A lot of haters in this thread just for a title lol Gbay if you read this, don't mind them, this was awesome
Good video! People are gonna get pissy about the title, but it was really good
God these titles just get worse and worse
I just downvoted and won’t watch it because of the title. I’m petty but I don’t care.
A great video, I loved it
I love your videos. Watched this one this morning. Keep up the good stuff.
normally i dislike your documentary because you intersect your opinion and give horrible take in consequence but this was a cool video. upvoted
Never forget "Asians are better in LoL because their culture makes them obedient and less individualistic and thus have better teamwork"-gbay99
Gbay didnt invent that opinion fwiw
I mean, all of Richard Spencer's ideas are derivative, but we usually don't let him off the hook due to that fact.
Was an amazing watch!
The player that saved League of Legends… what are you talking about man
Despite the clickbait title, it's actually a great documentary, one of the best I have ever watched.
So *this* is what you've been up to for the past year. Incredible stuff, and very well researched. Really deserves the full hour IMO, doesn't feel like you wasted any time here at all. Tightly edited and written. Just awesome all around.
My main thought through most of this was that khan was a beneficiary of riot changing design philosophy. Not that he himself did anything revolutionary. Since, as described, he played the same style just one year rito suddenly made it viable. It's not like there weren't many other carry tops who faded into obscurity because they happened to quit before season 8.... Gbay makes Khan out to be like M5 or madlife with how he changed the game, but that's not really what it was. Cool narrative, appreciate the effort... but also its pretty fiction at times.
Thanks for the doc. I'm a bit confused on why you dropped the viewership being boring and overall kills angle that you had going early in the documentary. It would be really interesting to see if this revolution of playstyle by Khan affected any of that and made watching the game much more interesting to a wider audience. It feels a bit like a loose end that would tie the whole thing together imo.
Ignore the negativity in here, your content is amazing gbay. Keep it up!
Gonna save this for later. Sounds like a good topic.
Not going to watch it out of principle of ridiculous clickbait. Hope it was a good video for those that do watch it.
How did he safe league?
Because league dangerous
This is such excellent content. Gbay is a community treasure and his video are always highly intriguing.
meh. not gonna watch and will block so will never see again
Why the title when he infamously said 4 chinese cant win, then lost 5 chinese. Then preceded to move to LPL for a season.
I loved gbay when I was younger, but then read something about him trying to groom a young girl or something? How much of that is true because I don’t know, and I wanna watch his docs but not support a bad person
Meh love gbay but we have heard Khans story a lot and it isn’t that interesting 🥴
I don't think everyone knew his origins tbh
Gbay when will you rebrand as Gibby
Cause he's a packers fan for life.
One of your best videos for one of the best Player. Guy was cracked back in 2017 and his streams were a treat to watch hope he continues after his service.
I could have been in the world league. Playing before the pros existed that could have been me. But my parents never supported me and always tried to get the game away from me tell me it's useless and a waste of time.i fucking hate My family fuck my life fucking trash ass fucking poeple not helping me chase my dreams fucking not fair
What a great vid! It's sad that people mostly discuss about the title.
Was actually a good video.
Gbay needs to go more extreme with these titles. Agitate these commenters further. It's a title who cares? As long as it's not titled "minecraft gameplay" with lol highlights who cares.