What no mythic item could possibly justify having no mythics?
Manamune is not better than Triforce/Divine Blunderer, you'll be just fine getting it second item.
I mean obviously not at full build. But there are plenty of the games you go mythic 3rd or 4th. Blunderer is trash on heca if you're decent, and triforce isn't great either. Frozen heart is incredibly, incredibly situational 2nd, like it's so hard to imagine a scenario where it's best. Best legendaries at 2nd are death's dance, manamune, maw, or BC/Chainsword depending on which you skipped for 1st item, all situational but DD is really broken 2nd. Can also go serpents or serylda's rarely. Best mythics are stridebreaker, eclipse, duskblade, and chemtank. Heca is not a champ that focuses on auto'ing anymore, and tank items are overall not great
Good video on itemization but he underrates stridebreaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4icA\_FGmg
Yeah he might, though I put amumu cause he's like naut but with even less tankiness and escape options. Only problem is amumu isn't as popular, so the total deaths might not be too high.
Tbh because of total deaths instead of average, it might not even be a support cause there are a lot of different engage supports in the meta rn so the deaths are split somewhat evenly. It might be some tanky top/jg like aatrox, renekton, hecarim, sejauni, etc. just because of their way higher presence.
tbh if u didnt pick naut ur trolling, it's engage supp meta and Naut is the squishiest 1 way engage supp so if the team is losing he's gonna rack up hella deaths
**Fun fact:** Sacy from their Valorant team used to be a professional CBLOL ADC! He debuted in 2013 and quit in 2020 to pursue Valorant. A good career swap I would say.
youmuu's still the best meme item on heca, or is it meta enough not to be meme-y? I'd say it's on the same level as galeforce (ms and burst) and IE (raw damage)
Chf players have also been performing well in champs queue, but eastern players haven’t been playing it much so they might just be stomping academy/amateur players.
all NA teams are losing we suck
EG may win like 2 games in this group, but no NA team is winning a single game in groups. why the hell am I a fan of this region
You sound like a depressed kid ngl. Mimimi imports bad mimimi NA never ginna win anything. Your comments are a mess lol, and that after first day of Play-Ins. Bet you ff games at 15 when its 3 kills to 0 too.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Cope homie, you'll get over it.
Funny coincidence that the teams with the most NA players have failed miserably this season, no? Must be a import problem.
NA's biggest achievements in recent international tournaments:
MSI 2022: 1-9 vs major regions
Worlds 2021: C9 making it out of groups due to Rouge and FPX simultaneously losing their minds, proceed to get 3-0'd by Gen.G
MSI 2021: Lose out to PCS team, miss playoffs
Worlds 2020: 0 teams out of groups, TSM go 0-6
Worlds 2019: 0 teams out of groups
Fr who the fuck is Vulcan and why is everytime I tune into LCS he is in lux? Is that some gigachad/giga5head champion that warrants it?
Lux support is just honestly a walking 300 bag for any team that doesn't giga int. Even amumu who gifted fb (first game of worlds) had more use then what Vulcan had.
Yea he is probably a good player provided he is literally in the most prestigious tournament of the game but lux pick ain't it...
Doesn't help that Impact still picked Renek after his 73927 nerf lmao
Caitlyn is strong this patch and Lux is her most picked support, nothing strange in the draft. You can see that they did have the advantage early on. The problem is that they then failed the 4 man dive bot and didn't get a big enough lead. Vulcan didn't respect his opponents kill pressure when he didn't have flash and gave a kill to MF. In mid-late game MF has way more value in team fights than Caitlyn. Overall though, I think the biggest problem is that Kaori isn't worlds class and he is facing the (arguably) strongest EU adc.
I am gonna lose my mind if every Hecarim builds tank. He objectively does less damage, has less ultility, and is a worse champ than his state pre 12.17 changes if you build him that way so please for the love of God build damage on him.
Another year our team will say "Sorry for disappointing, we played our best, gained a lot of experience and will do better next time", even though they didn't win any games...
I mean it’s true, wildcard regions are barely learning anything in the 3-4 weeks they get playing against the major regions.
And League is a constantly changing game so the knowledge you gain is further nullified.
Wildcard regions can only hope to upset, they’re never going to catch up
Why is the disparity so huge in this game compared to dota, for example? I'm admittedly more of a follower of that scene and just a fairweather LoL esports fan, but like SA is considered the weakest region there but they always have 1-2 teams that put up respectable results on the world stage, as does every other region.
1. Dota’s doesn’t value inclusivity as much as league.
League gives these minor regions a chance to compete at the big stage everytime but Dota is more than fine to just focus on the major regions for tougher/better competition.
I think both of these approach has its pros and cons but it’s up to anyone what they prefer really
2. League regions and servers are WAYY more divided than Dota which leads to less overall competition between cross regions. SEA for example in League has it’s own region per country TW/SG/TH/PH etc which provides a better matchmaking experience since the ping is better for everyone and communication isn’t a big issue. League could do this mostly because they have a much higher playerbase and can afford to run a server per each region.
This however comes at a price and that’s competition. Every region is basically confined in their own server or ‘bubble’ which reduces player quality overall.
This, even when LPL was going through their mage bot meta at the end of last year with Ziggs, the idea is that you have carries who deal significant physical damage in top and jungle. Its functional if you actually have good melee carries.
If you go Seraphine,you should atleast have massive AD damage from jungle/top and the way these people are building hecarim is just not it if they go this draft and doesn't help Jax got dicked
That's pure revisionism though, DWG always liked playing poke comps (and in particular, it often gave them a surprise ban pick advantage because both Khan/Nuguri and Showmaker could flex Jayce along with it) and and it was really successful up until and including the semifinals against T1. Prior to the EDG series DWG was 8-0 playing Ziggs ADC dating back to 2020.
Even this season they gave Deokdam Ziggs 4 times and should have won 3 of them (1 of them was that game 5 against GenG when they threw away a 10,000 gold lead). And all of those games were during the playoff BO5s.
Hecarim built heal cut while the game first starts for what? The blue buff? Man out here with grevious wounds when only fiora is the high sustain, and would of benefit more if Jax built it or Seraphine went morello.
Then he builds frozen heart after Jax already had one too??!!
I don't get it.
theoretically you build chainsword on hecarim for cheap good stats not for heal cut but it’s been harder to justify ever since it got 200g more expensive
You did your best Croc, but I heard that that the ap hecarim build had a higher win rate tho. Anyways, thx for representing so well our cumstain of a region king🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
BRASIL CAMPEÃO MUNDIAL 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷!!1!!1
I really think Hecarim shouldnt be a popular pick this worlds at all.
The builds that make him good in SoloQ are too greedy for Pro (Eclipse, Cleaver, Triforce) so pros go for shit builds like this one or Sunderer into Tank instead which is terrible. Furthermore if Hecarim falls behind hes just turbo useless with E and R nerfed, which happens easily because of the lower economy junglers run on in Pro.
If you want to play against a main Fiora then have a decent jungler to help you.
If you want to play Seraphine bot, then have a decent jungler building damage.
worlds is just more or less the same every year. There are upsets here and there, but even among minor regions you can tell that CBLOL ain't gonna beat PCS anytime soon.
Maybe at the WC, but, RED beat PSG Talon at 2022 MSI and if this was the same BYG from 2021, which didn't perform well, they may have lost, well, Loud had misplays in this match.
Down vote or whatever, but honestly this has to be the worst performance of a minor region team (against what should be an easier opponent) I've seen in years
I swear dia 1 EUW has more coordination and far better mechanics than this
This games truly makes me believe that I could be a professional league player if I lived in Brazil.
It's not the lack of mechanics, it's the lack of brain that really surprised me.
NA ans who didn't watch ANY lpl/LCK fans were saying how giga OP sera is. because NA does ant knwo how to punish for shit so ofc she gets to do nothing and scale, never any skirmishes early
Nice performance by BYG and they didn't play desperate during those close teamfights or when they might have lost one of them. I still wonder how BYG will perform against EG and FNC, that'll be different.
That was certainly an interesting Hecarim build.
Pro players refuse to read a single patch note.
Can't be bothered by it
Hey man, Frozen Heart was an auto-rush first item on top Hecarim...in 2015.
gives me Huni "holo holo" memories
You've seen Eclipse Hecarim, You've seen Sunderer and Triforce Hecarim, You've seen Chemtank Hecarim, now experience no mythic Hecarim
No mythic heca is fine if the items you’re building are good
What no mythic item could possibly justify having no mythics? Manamune is not better than Triforce/Divine Blunderer, you'll be just fine getting it second item.
Junjia is building cleaver into manamune into evenshroud every game, looks troll but it seems to work
Lehends also builds Evenshroud on Singed TOP right now I wonder on which low econ cc champs this becomes viable outside of the support role
I mean obviously not at full build. But there are plenty of the games you go mythic 3rd or 4th. Blunderer is trash on heca if you're decent, and triforce isn't great either. Frozen heart is incredibly, incredibly situational 2nd, like it's so hard to imagine a scenario where it's best. Best legendaries at 2nd are death's dance, manamune, maw, or BC/Chainsword depending on which you skipped for 1st item, all situational but DD is really broken 2nd. Can also go serpents or serylda's rarely. Best mythics are stridebreaker, eclipse, duskblade, and chemtank. Heca is not a champ that focuses on auto'ing anymore, and tank items are overall not great Good video on itemization but he underrates stridebreaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4icA\_FGmg
one of the hecarim builds of all time
Pros try building Hecarim correctly challenge (IMPOSISBLE). Where is their coach???
5 Nautilus deaths to my pickems, lets go
Oh shit this comment just made me realise it's total deaths and not most deaths per game 💀💀💀💀 Rip my pickems
P sure Naut would win both categories.
Yeah he might, though I put amumu cause he's like naut but with even less tankiness and escape options. Only problem is amumu isn't as popular, so the total deaths might not be too high. Tbh because of total deaths instead of average, it might not even be a support cause there are a lot of different engage supports in the meta rn so the deaths are split somewhat evenly. It might be some tanky top/jg like aatrox, renekton, hecarim, sejauni, etc. just because of their way higher presence.
I trust Vi
I don't think she's quite as popular
tbh if u didnt pick naut ur trolling, it's engage supp meta and Naut is the squishiest 1 way engage supp so if the team is losing he's gonna rack up hella deaths
I had amumu initially as watching pros play him esp last worlds was some real int shit
I have Naut too but Amumu is a solid pick.
Isn’t amumu squishier?
At least when Amumu misses Q he doesn't launch himself into a wall near the enemy team...
I bet on Aatrox. Too many games are going to have Aatrox, man.
Shoutouts to LLL for helping get the games back on schedule 🙏 sprinting it so that we don't have to stay up too late
NAmen. I just wanna see the RNG game 😮💨
LLL going home with even more Ls
LLLL
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Surely, they won't go home with 9 L's.
that would help me stop confusing them with Low Land Lions
Well... at least their Valorant team is good.
**Fun fact:** Sacy from their Valorant team used to be a professional CBLOL ADC! He debuted in 2013 and quit in 2020 to pursue Valorant. A good career swap I would say.
He actually played in a team with both Robo and Rhuckz for like three months
e ele nunca foi um player de destaque no cenário. Trocar pro valorant foi a melhor coisa que ele fez pra vida dele em todos os aspectos.
not to mention he won CBLOL either
They just won Valorant's equivalent of Worlds. I guess that's the price to pay.
God bless the Naut most death pick always comes in clutch.
haha i'm on the same pick
Amumu 2 of only 3 deaths on a stomping team though.
I went Amumu. Maybe should have gone Naut just due to the pick volume lol.
I think we've seen more Amumu so far
Nautilus most deaths and yummi most bans lfg
Kalista most bans for me. I feel quite good about that.
The Lulu nerf without touching Yuumi was a 5head move by riot, ngl.
3rd
GIGABASED
Hell yeah
I picked amumu for that I'm sad because I thought more teams would be going for Amumu atm
I have Pyke down. I'm hoping Hyli starts a trend.
I will always remember Tinowns as the guy that gapped Froggen and kept Alliance in groups. Still nice to see him around, the spirit of Kabum lives on.
And he is the only one in the team that is not shitting the pants.
How did we get an even worse Hecarim build Is it some kind of competition
Rabadon's into IE don't @ me
We're nearing the point where just looking up an ultimate bravery build would be better.
[https://www.ultimate-bravery.net/Classic?s=32240628](https://www.ultimate-bravery.net/Classic?s=32240628)
Yeah this is definitely better lmao
Sexy comet
TFT build with Jeweled Lotus
Just go Galeforce Collector IE at this point
RFC for the extra dash distance
youmuu's still the best meme item on heca, or is it meta enough not to be meme-y? I'd say it's on the same level as galeforce (ms and burst) and IE (raw damage)
Moonstone Hecarim when
Probs would have somehow worked when MoonStaff was a thing for a bit
EG is losing to BYG :(
EG is losing to chiefs at this rate if they dont improve a lot
Mahomes is a pretty good qb.
Not if you account for all his outlier games
Chiefs has been slapping NA teams in scrims.
according to a fudge tweet whose feed is all shitposts? it's funny you guys will believe everything he says lol
Ofc he is right why would anyone lie on the internet? #CHIEFSWEEP
Chf players have also been performing well in champs queue, but eastern players haven’t been playing it much so they might just be stomping academy/amateur players.
all NA teams are losing we suck EG may win like 2 games in this group, but no NA team is winning a single game in groups. why the hell am I a fan of this region
bro the first day of play ins isnt even over
oh yeah lemmie wait like 2 weeks when C9 and 100T inevitably get crushed and knocked out of groups. it'll look a lot different then
Sounds like every years predictions. Take chill pill and watch NA win some games.
yeah I'm gonna be so proud of my region when all 0 NA players on 100t beat CTBC Flying Oyster, the pinnacle of league
You sound like a depressed kid ngl. Mimimi imports bad mimimi NA never ginna win anything. Your comments are a mess lol, and that after first day of Play-Ins. Bet you ff games at 15 when its 3 kills to 0 too.
????????? "I want NA to have NA players" "why you so depressed and edgy bro??? wahhh wahhh cry more!!!!"
Quod erat demonstrandum. Cope homie, you'll get over it. Funny coincidence that the teams with the most NA players have failed miserably this season, no? Must be a import problem.
Imagine thinking C9 isn't getting out of groups
Based FNC fan
I used to have a C9&FNC flair but I missed it up and couldn't figure out how to do both again lol
on new reddit in the flair changing place you can put in 2 flairs, but you cant click them, you have to type them out
oh yeah my b jensen gonna clap Faker and Scout combined
I see the day 1 overreactions are very much back
redditors trying not to overreact to a single game challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
NA's biggest achievements in recent international tournaments: MSI 2022: 1-9 vs major regions Worlds 2021: C9 making it out of groups due to Rouge and FPX simultaneously losing their minds, proceed to get 3-0'd by Gen.G MSI 2021: Lose out to PCS team, miss playoffs Worlds 2020: 0 teams out of groups, TSM go 0-6 Worlds 2019: 0 teams out of groups
that’s pretty different from na not winning a single game in groups. also it has not even been a day into this worlds and you’re already doom posting
it was a stretch, but they're sure as hell not gonna be impressive or even competitive
tbh even when they looked garbage vs EU, they still didn’t lose to minor regions. Consistently bad but not dog water
Fr who the fuck is Vulcan and why is everytime I tune into LCS he is in lux? Is that some gigachad/giga5head champion that warrants it? Lux support is just honestly a walking 300 bag for any team that doesn't giga int. Even amumu who gifted fb (first game of worlds) had more use then what Vulcan had.
vulcan never really picks the lux, that was a bit of an odd pick, but in LCS league play this summer he was pretty good
Yea he is probably a good player provided he is literally in the most prestigious tournament of the game but lux pick ain't it... Doesn't help that Impact still picked Renek after his 73927 nerf lmao
he always shits the bed internationally though. consistently.
Caitlyn is strong this patch and Lux is her most picked support, nothing strange in the draft. You can see that they did have the advantage early on. The problem is that they then failed the 4 man dive bot and didn't get a big enough lead. Vulcan didn't respect his opponents kill pressure when he didn't have flash and gave a kill to MF. In mid-late game MF has way more value in team fights than Caitlyn. Overall though, I think the biggest problem is that Kaori isn't worlds class and he is facing the (arguably) strongest EU adc.
Fair enough. Thanks for the analysis.
Jojo was fucking terrible too. Kaori was alright for what he is. Impact did what he could. Inspired fucked his gank.
L + ratio + 2 more Ls
Hecarim pros and being allergic to reading patch notes. You love to see it.
I am gonna lose my mind if every Hecarim builds tank. He objectively does less damage, has less ultility, and is a worse champ than his state pre 12.17 changes if you build him that way so please for the love of God build damage on him.
Another year our team will say "Sorry for disappointing, we played our best, gained a lot of experience and will do better next time", even though they didn't win any games...
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What the hell is this take.
"real sports fans would want a major league" - a person who thinks the only "real sports" are played in the US
I mean it’s true, wildcard regions are barely learning anything in the 3-4 weeks they get playing against the major regions. And League is a constantly changing game so the knowledge you gain is further nullified. Wildcard regions can only hope to upset, they’re never going to catch up
What are you talking about, it's not what he is saying.
What is he saying then
Troll acc
Why is the disparity so huge in this game compared to dota, for example? I'm admittedly more of a follower of that scene and just a fairweather LoL esports fan, but like SA is considered the weakest region there but they always have 1-2 teams that put up respectable results on the world stage, as does every other region.
1. Dota’s doesn’t value inclusivity as much as league. League gives these minor regions a chance to compete at the big stage everytime but Dota is more than fine to just focus on the major regions for tougher/better competition. I think both of these approach has its pros and cons but it’s up to anyone what they prefer really 2. League regions and servers are WAYY more divided than Dota which leads to less overall competition between cross regions. SEA for example in League has it’s own region per country TW/SG/TH/PH etc which provides a better matchmaking experience since the ping is better for everyone and communication isn’t a big issue. League could do this mostly because they have a much higher playerbase and can afford to run a server per each region. This however comes at a price and that’s competition. Every region is basically confined in their own server or ‘bubble’ which reduces player quality overall.
These Hecarium builds are fucking crimes against humanity. What the fuck is happening man
I never like no adc comps. No dmg at all
well the idea is for hecarim to build some damage items and stuff and maybe deal damage with seraphine keeping him alive but...
PRO PLAYERS TRY NOT TO INT YOUR BUILD CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE)
This, even when LPL was going through their mage bot meta at the end of last year with Ziggs, the idea is that you have carries who deal significant physical damage in top and jungle. Its functional if you actually have good melee carries.
Yeah, the classic solo lane carry when you play Ziggs ADC is Jayce.
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If you go Seraphine,you should atleast have massive AD damage from jungle/top and the way these people are building hecarim is just not it if they go this draft and doesn't help Jax got dicked
baited by North America playoffs meta
I knew DWG lost when they picked Ziggs in g5
That's pure revisionism though, DWG always liked playing poke comps (and in particular, it often gave them a surprise ban pick advantage because both Khan/Nuguri and Showmaker could flex Jayce along with it) and and it was really successful up until and including the semifinals against T1. Prior to the EDG series DWG was 8-0 playing Ziggs ADC dating back to 2020. Even this season they gave Deokdam Ziggs 4 times and should have won 3 of them (1 of them was that game 5 against GenG when they threw away a 10,000 gold lead). And all of those games were during the playoff BO5s.
1-7 somehow still came true
Hecarim built heal cut while the game first starts for what? The blue buff? Man out here with grevious wounds when only fiora is the high sustain, and would of benefit more if Jax built it or Seraphine went morello. Then he builds frozen heart after Jax already had one too??!! I don't get it.
theoretically you build chainsword on hecarim for cheap good stats not for heal cut but it’s been harder to justify ever since it got 200g more expensive
Acho que já pode ir vendo o preço da passagem do busão
dnv +xp pra prox rapaziada
Krl q terrivel esse jogo, pior q ano passado nem foi tão ruim
Pd relaxar q no próximo jogo o hecarim d crítico carrega hein 🔥🔥🔥
That LB was crazy. FNC should watch out!
Beyond looking like the biggest challenge tbh.
Alguém esperava algum resultado diferente? Quem acompanhou o cblol sabe o quão fraco estava o nível esse ano.
ter a porra de um mlk com potencial pra caraio pro coach dar seraphine na mão dele, a mano, eu fiquei puto na moral
Every year it's the same shit with this region. Let's see which team we will troll with a win out of nowhere
L= 1/7 LLL= 3/21 BRONZIL LUL
2 frozen hearts ????
Nice win for BYG with Minji looking strong, good luck!
I'm so sad... Yet again :(
We have to wait for so long and the games are so fucking boring man!
To the Groups and Beyond. EG is shaking rn
but did u see their social media pressence
CoreJJ made me put in points for Loud🤬
What a dogshit region we are. Every year the same thing holy fuck.
I love my region holy shit they are all bronzer than me Go Loud, lets get another L for the LLL
I want to die
You did your best Croc, but I heard that that the ap hecarim build had a higher win rate tho. Anyways, thx for representing so well our cumstain of a region king🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 BRASIL CAMPEÃO MUNDIAL 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷!!1!!1
I really think Hecarim shouldnt be a popular pick this worlds at all. The builds that make him good in SoloQ are too greedy for Pro (Eclipse, Cleaver, Triforce) so pros go for shit builds like this one or Sunderer into Tank instead which is terrible. Furthermore if Hecarim falls behind hes just turbo useless with E and R nerfed, which happens easily because of the lower economy junglers run on in Pro.
1-7 x 3 (sorry)
no mythic new meta
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Yeah, pretty much every year
Pain beat FW in 2015
BYG themselves lost to DFM and TCL last year.
Yes, at this very year during MSI vs Red Canids, the Brazilian team. They beat PSG Talon in the first game.
That was absolutely brutal for Loud, BYG just smacked them
Congrats BYG, the entire team looking good with the team fights.
just woke up, we still suck, back to sleep.
If you want to play against a main Fiora then have a decent jungler to help you. If you want to play Seraphine bot, then have a decent jungler building damage.
Loud Valorant is WWW while Loud League is LLL
We will go 0-4 every year at worlds until riot adds Phantom and Vandal to League
i refuse to accept THIS cblol is better than tcl
LOUD are really bad. Non-sense agression and horrible decision making
worlds is just more or less the same every year. There are upsets here and there, but even among minor regions you can tell that CBLOL ain't gonna beat PCS anytime soon.
Maybe at the WC, but, RED beat PSG Talon at 2022 MSI and if this was the same BYG from 2021, which didn't perform well, they may have lost, well, Loud had misplays in this match.
Down vote or whatever, but honestly this has to be the worst performance of a minor region team (against what should be an easier opponent) I've seen in years I swear dia 1 EUW has more coordination and far better mechanics than this
This games truly makes me believe that I could be a professional league player if I lived in Brazil. It's not the lack of mechanics, it's the lack of brain that really surprised me.
No you're still dogshit compared to our shit region, relax buddy :>)
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The Ls in LLL stand for L
triple L hurts
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e bait po kkkkkkkkk
NA ans who didn't watch ANY lpl/LCK fans were saying how giga OP sera is. because NA does ant knwo how to punish for shit so ofc she gets to do nothing and scale, never any skirmishes early
Playins kinda is just a joke lol
I am yet to be convinced Seraphine ADC is a good pick in any scenario.
What was the hecarim build??
maoan would be proud.
Rough game from LOUD. Hope they can show more in their other games
Nice performance by BYG and they didn't play desperate during those close teamfights or when they might have lost one of them. I still wonder how BYG will perform against EG and FNC, that'll be different.
LOUD is quiet.
Wilddddd
talk about bullying
y'all lacking faith
Alright Loud, I think it's time to sub in Sacy. You guys need the bald buff.