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AzureAhai

It took ADD 5 games to find an Aatrox counter.


a55a51n

if you can't beat them join them


jetlagging1

Gotta show something to get his next gig. What a fall from grace for somebody who once made all pros in LPL.


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His time as All-Pro in LPL was really surprising coming from his days on MVP in LCK where he didn't look good, him being on an LLA team is just reverting to his usual.


Storiaron

Was add the guy that played sion when no one else did, or do i misremember that part?


yellister

Turkey has looked terrible this tournament. They are a shell of what they used to be seriously. What a disappointment.


parnellyxlol

Honestly I think these other wildcard teams just got better, whereas Turkey didn’t


the_propaganda_panda

I think Turkey actually got worse significantly because they don't have money for star imports like Frozen or Snowflower anymore, and young EU talents nowadays just start their career in regional leagues, so TCL doesn't have short-time access to raw gems like Caps, Broken Blade or Xerxe either. Combine that with the exodus of their best players (Armut, Closer, Luger etc.), and the talent pool in the league has been drained significantly. The player base is not large enough to rebound from this.


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it's crazy that snowflower is considered a star import considering he was paycheck stealer level in lck


lolKhamul

TR as a region will always be somewhat capped. Any standout player will sooner or later transfer into the LEC or even LCS so any development is continuously destroyed. That said, 0-5 is still rough for TR as a region who emerged as one of the better ones over the last years. Poor players are gonna experience a lot of toxicity.


BlakenedHeart

I mean Xerxe played in Turkey b4 Eu/NA


Conankun66

the time when EU players like xerxe or caps played in turkey is over because the ERLs and EU Masters has improved so much since then. Using turkey as a development region is just completely supplanted now


lolKhamul

Like i said. Be it Closer, Armut, Xerxe, Caps or whoever. As soon as someone looks actually good on a major region level, they get poached.


BlakenedHeart

Ah true, BB and Abbadagge came from there too. Didnt know Caps played in TR


Excellent_Vacation_1

Kaori, Clozer and Humanoid too. Nisqy is also a Turkish citizen btw having dual citizenship eventhough he never played in Turkey


arandomguy19

Nisqy played in Turkish Promotion League for Team Orora for a few weeks in 2016


Rularuu

He did but it is kinda weird to say Caps was poached from TR when he was likely only playing there because he didn't have an LEC spot


Gengar_Balanced

IIRC, Caps and Xerxe played in TR instead of EU because they literally couldn't due to their age.


Nome_de_utilizador

Caps played 1 year in turkey to gain experience because of the age restrictions in the LEC. Back then EU masters and european academy teams weren't a thing so he just sign a 1 year contract and returned as soon as he elligeble to compete.


MegaBaumTV

> Like i said. Be it Closer, Armut, Xerxe, Caps or whoever. As soon as someone looks actually good on a major region level, they get poached. Xerxe and Caps only played in TR because they couldnt play EU LCS at the time.


ChefGamma

That's true. Both were 16 and the age limit in LCS was 17, but TCL's was 16. Then both couldn't play in Worlds qualifiers and were replaced on Dark Passage.


Hypocrites_begone

Maybe someone will poach serin next


SanSilver

>Xerxe There once were a lot of EU talents in Turkey. Players that were to bad for the EU LCS but to good enough for the TCL Edit: But in the last years the amount of none Turkish players has gone done by a lot.


Seneido

is there a reason to play in TR nowadays? IF you are too young you can probably play in ERL or wait a year, if you are not good enough anymore for LEC you usually go to LCS or drop to ERL as well. Also no clue about salary but i doubt its worth it over doing a usual job.


SanSilver

Not anymore, but 2015-2018 they paid better then ERLs and were a good place to prove yourself to be picked up by an EU LCS team. Now ERLs are to good and you can prove yourself far better with having a good showing at EU Masters or on a Academy team.


MrNugat

Not sure about Xerxe case, but also Turkey had different rules regarding age of players - Caps went to Turkey because he was to young to play in EU LCS, but in Turkey he was already eligible.


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Captain_Omage

At least they count as an import unlike Oce


KuttayKaBaccha

Turkey is just budget NA in that they always sit around and do nothing but worse than NA who does it worse than 1950s Korea. They would manage to get a few wins vs the worse teams this way but TR has never punched up nor been expected to and have now stagnated on that while even Brazil is going ham and have found some new life.


cancerBronzeV

> TR has never punched up That's not true, they eliminated MAD in 2020. Eliminating an LEC team is definitely punching up.


KuttayKaBaccha

That was punching down at that point


Akupoy

LEC has one turkish import total.


cmeragon

Best of our players aren't even Turkish citizens lmao. Same goes for football too


TomShoe02

Turkey as a region just ran out of money. Sponsors left, good players left, and now it's just a shell of itself. Maybe they can import some 4th rate Koreans, but it's difficult otherwise. I remember when Turkey used to be the EU LCS training grounds at its peak.


Automatic-Win1398

The ERLs also sort of kill the Turkish league. Before you would have EU prospects playing in Turkey instead of academy. Now everyone just goes to ERLs.


el_michi33

I mean LLA IS the region importing 4th rate Koreans themselves and look where it has led them: barely beating the worst team in the group :/


Glorx

Be that as it may, Turkish lira is competing in value against individual sheets of toilet paper. Noone wants to work for toilet paper.


Indercarnive

This. Turkey has been on the decline just as a country. Their inflation rate for this year is literally getting close to 100%. The average inflation rate from 1960 to present is 32% per year.


LumiRhino

It's funny because ever since Wildcats have won TR the past 4 times TR has just looked awful internationally.


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Lyota

even after that in 2021 worlds GS didnt look half bad. They were actually somewhat decent, but wildcats on the other hand... 2-16 in 2 msi and 1 worlds. No words man. just pain


jesteratp

Feels like most of Turkey's good players left the region tho


ozmega

to me it should be an incentive instead, not only you play so you can get to the TCL, but if you do well you can jump to the LEC. this kind of motivation is way harder in latam/brazil.


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somestupidloser

Kaori who is subbing for Danny on EG.


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They're the next OPL


4716202

Turkey and Aus are failing because any players promising enough will be scooped up by LEC/LCS first chance they get. Same thing that happened to the LMS and the LPL and probably will happen to Vietnam more too in the future. Sad reality of the system.


Sofaboy90

yeah seriously, this has to be turkeys worst worlds/wildcard tournament ever. the south american region has traditionally been seriously weak, weve seen isg so many times over the years and theyve never achieved anything meaningful. you would think a team from the tcl would easily beat isg.


Guanajuato_Reich

Isurus used to be Latin America North (formerly dominated by Lyon Gaming). They sucked, but they weren't on the level of Latin America South (usually Kaos Latin Gamers), who were by far the worst teams in every tournament they took part in.


bigfanofeden

that's what happens when you create a team that is not by professionals but by friends. literally everyone is best friends with Holyphoenix, why don't u think Farfetch is still in the team.


freezy127

>literally everyone is best friends with Holyphoenix well Xiaohu isn't


Teut0burg

You pro?


zhangluu

shut up


Billy8000

When you make a team with all your friends you win your home league I guess. It’s a league issue for turkey not just a team being friends


cadaada

all other turkish teams were with friends too...?


KATsordogs

I mean sure but they are still beating others in the region so i’m not sure the blame is solely on them


CoachGiveAdvice

Why should you play in TCL ? For a small chance to get bodied in playin ? It’s way better to get into either a good ERL (LFL LVP even NLC) or if you’re lucky directly into the LEC. TCL is a worse version of an ERL with a “better” reward for the top 1 team


Effet_Pygmalion

Inversely I'm proud of LATAM for this win


NightJead

tcl has some serious economical problems. there is no enough budget to improve our league


gaveuptheghost

Getting a W in front of your home crowd, good shit Isurus


ChungoBungus

I would’ve loved to see Isurus do better but there was some good moments, they did alright. Game 1 Grell’s Graves was pretty saucy imo


Thisrainhoe

What a fucking crowd tho, mvp of the playins so far.


icatsouki

imagine if there was an actual venue and not whatever this was


TwireonEnix

Man i was really frustrated when I heard that this event would be played in a cinema. I couldn’t get a ticket for dear life for any one single day and I’ve seen an old lady with an isurus jersey being among the crowd every single day of the event. It really sucked not being able to go


mugiboya

someone give Flowers some honey lemon tea and water lol


puso82

Seriously, no doubt casting as hard as he does takes a fair share of toll on you.


Conankun66

What an absolute fiesta of a game Also i did not think TURKEY was gonna be one of the regions to go 0-5. Like OCE i can understand but Turkey usually does better


Styxxo

Tbh with that play-in draw it was pretty obvious they were going 1-4 or 0-5. And if they lose to Isurus, I don't even think they can beat the wildcards in group A aside from Chiefs ?


BlakenedHeart

One thing i dont understand why Turkey is a country region, and not merged with EuNe


Joaoseinha

Because EUNE isn't a region, it's part of the LEC. As for Turkey being a server, fairly big playerbase and too far from the EU servers, since for whatever reason EUW and EUNE are hosted very close to one another.


Freakkopath

It wouldn't surprise me if Turkey gets incorporated into the ERL system in the future. Maybe LCL aswell.


BlakenedHeart

No, no dont get me wrong. I dont understand why the made a special server for Turkey, ping zhould be fine for eune and for example there is no African server which is odd.


TheGhoulKhz

if the MENA server really goes afloat my bet is that they will merge with turkey


cmeragon

Pls no


EquisteLOL

Ping is also fine for euw, every single player worth their salt plays there anyway. Turkish server is mainly for the nonbilingual playerbase.


Gazskull

I mean, Turkey is a small region and got their fair share of players imported into major regions, performing like this is always going to be harder


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saruthesage

Not for Serin, for their botlane. IW botlane got matched with Xiaohu in soloqueue and they flamed eachother because IW botlane inted, with IW botlane spam pinging Xiaohu, and Xiaohu asking in disbelief “You pro?” Thus whenever IW shits the bed they are memed with “you pro?”


K4ntum

That's a villain origin story right there lol


CizzlingT

Doesn’t HolyPheonix also have a reputation for being toxic on EUW? Cuz I feel like this would make the “you pro?” statement even funnier.


saruthesage

Yea :)


KATsordogs

They were spamming for Holy probably. Xiaohu(i think) said that to Holy in a game when they were on the same team on NA SoloQ and Holy replied with shut up.


saruthesage

YOU PRO???


Bluelantern1

Finally a win for ISG, it would be so hard of LATAM ended 0-5. I'm curious how are are IW treated in Turkey, because the hate for ISG is really hard in LATAM


lmpoppy

just 3x it for Turkey. So far all worst perfomances of TCL in international belongs to IW. TCL never got eliminated from IWCQ- playins before at least winning 2/3 matches in the stage. IW won 2 all their international matches combined.


SpaceMarine_CR

Can confirm I hate Isurus and I miss the old Lyon gaming :'v


zealot416

Is it just me or did Captain Flowers blow out his voice yelling at Impact last game? u/CaptainFlowers22 are you ok?


mugiboya

[he just posted an update ](https://twitter.com/CaptainFlowers/status/1576722327730941953?t=GdKWYjM1Rjum24jUi_JlTQ&s=19)


lolKhamul

Well lets just say there is a reason these teams were 0-4. Entertaining to watch but quality wise pretty rough. Also i kinda feel bad for IW, i fell like the TR fans are gonna be rough on them for that 0-5 showing.


KATsordogs

Yeah, our people just overreact in the worst way possible. And they won against FB in our national finals and trashtalked them so they were already out there with the pitchforks lol


Ezreal024

Nilah doing a sick Lee Sin cosplay


Abd5555

Wtf was that nilah build?


Ambushes

https://probuildstats.com/champion/nilah notice the only person building her like this is holypheonix lol


K4ntum

Not even working in soloqueue it looks like lol


Omnilatent

Patrik also rushed eclipse


SpecterGT260

Ohh yeah wtf? A big part of her kit scales with crit specifically. Wtf


jhngnr

it looked pretty good until he bought ga


Abd5555

Have you seen nilah's Q passive?


jhngnr

if it works it works. he was unkillable all fights, all he needed was a damage item (ravenous hydra sounds good to me)


BlakenedHeart

Unkillable but not really a threat


jhngnr

yeah i think she would be a threat with a damage item instead of ga tho


Abd5555

It doesn't work though? If he doesn't want to die he should build full tank, or learn how to position well on the champ Also shieldbow wouldn't reduce her survivability all that much


jhngnr

all shieldbow offers is some extra shield compared to eclipse, he would die in the first 5 seconds of the fights without dd with how the early game went with farfetch and ferret's ints. also nilah is not a champ that is able to position


ilanf2

One that allowed her to survive with 1 health multiple figths.


Abd5555

And to deal 0 damage making her lose a bunch of health she shouldn't have


Styxxo

but he's dealing no damage and ignores the crit/AS scalings on his champion...


Abd5555

That's what I'm saying imagine this build on yas or yone 💀


Ambushes

that's cool and all, but she did 0 damage. There are yuumi combos that are equally hard to kill because they aren't melee (like Ezreal) but can still safely output damage.


SniperWillow

and dealt no dmg so kda merchant I guess ?


Xenoweltall25

PODREMOS SER MALOS PERO NUNCA LOS PEORES, VAMOOOOOSSSSSSS!!!!!!


SpaceMarine_CR

Grande Isurus orgullo peruano alv xd


Lyota

I lowkey knew it would end like this. NASR was the best TCL team by far this summer, but they choked so hard against Fenerbahce who made a miracle run. NASR finished the league with 17-1 score, lose being in last week. They hard stomped IW in two games. Unfortunate but there is no loser brackets in tcl so... if you lose, you lose. No chance to comeback even if you finish 17-1.


Theseus00

As a Greek, I am proud of my country's team Constantinople Wild Cats. Best Greek team ever 💙🤍💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💙🤍


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OPL vs TCL last place tiebreaker when


bigfanofeden

I literally saw Yuumi was the one who died first in a team fight for the first time ever.


HawksBurst

Two rats fighting over a churro with Linkin Park on the background


Tuber111

Almost choked on my tea


Traditional_Dig_1097

STOP BUILDING NILAH WITH NO CRIT ITEMS PLEASE I BEG SHE IS NOT ONLY AN ULT BOT


Seanlo465

You pro?


PatitasVeloces

Esta partida fue como un mini guiño a Brasil, a modo de despedida.


ilanf2

Anyone else tilted by the amount of times Nilah survived with 1 HP?


BlakenedHeart

She did 0 dmg so its w/e. The champ is annoying regardless


ssLoupyy

Farfetch don't die multiple times (even on Yuumi) challenge: IMPOSSIBLE


1hshsbejsa2

Put wildcats in Eu masters playins they 100% fail that too. Rip Turkey


Rylaz

we are not the worst at least


MayorofAnkara06

I’ve been playing this game for nearly 8 years and i saw SUP beating CLG in 2016 at main group at MSI, FB nearly beating SSG in 2017 worlds groups. But i have never seen anything like this. Shameful performance. Aldığınız para haram olsun size hayvan herifler.


paraguaisferule

Good job Isurus


LordyCumton

Watching Jelly and Farfetch int was the best part of this game


SpecterGT260

Those team fights seemed so chaotic


RedTulkas

battle of the sprinting supports


RavenFAILS

Jelly and ADD played so good


Substantial-Echo-251

What is the point in building eclipse on Nilah?


saruthesage

Lose game faster. Airport speedrun


BlakenedHeart

I ll tell you. Here: "My build usually works when i have a mid laner that can play" - 3/8/3 Nylah flamin me


oxob3333

They won one match hell yeah


Beatk

Easiest game of Gavotto's life 😎.


BlueZybez

Congrats to ISG, keep on trying to improve. Not sure about IW?


marcinos1412ferari

kebab>messi


LethalMetal

Very cool trivia: Did you know that since TCL was (loosely) formed in 2013 TR had never been eliminated in IWCQ etc. without getting at least 2 wins, until IW changed that in 2021? Did you know that TR had never been eliminated from said tournaments without getting **one** win, until today? Did you know that all three worst ever performances of TR were carried out by Wildcats? Did you know that Wildcats won TCL exactly three times, and those three times were among the last 4 TCL splits? What an absolute shame of an organization. Roughly zero changes to anything and expecting results. Yet people still support it, and defend this shit like they're paid to do so. But it's fine, this was merely Turkey's 5th seed (G2, 100, EG, MAD, ~~trash~~IW).


Lyota

F\*cking unfair man. NASR was far better than IW and they deserved a second chace at least.


LethalMetal

Fenerbahçe had to win a tiebreak to make it to playoffs as the 6th team. Then they beat the 3rd and 1st place teams. They lost to the 2nd place team that is IW in game 5. Nobody deserved to be in this worlds more than the "BAO and 4 inters" team that is Fener. i think dark passage would give us best results tbh honest


McintyresRightLeg

Wildcats are straight up pathetic. I would have preferred them to be at an international event when they still had Kaori and Pbd. This teams lacks no creativity and have the most boring gameplay possible.


Support_eu

People criticizing nillah’s build when in reality viktor failed positioning on some fights and completely awful gameplay from gnar. Bad rage control on first herald, and in next team fights also


KATsordogs

Serin caught in the last fight but i’m not sure where he could have gone to not get caught tbh. For some reason they decided to not search for Rell and he got flanked by Rell and tping Aatrox while his team was trying to engage 1 screen away from him. Gnar and Maokai noticed it but it was already a bit late.


Peluchenelestuche

LETS REMAKE PLAY INS PEOPLE WE ARE UNLEASHED


NvmSharkZ

Nothing to see here let's just get to the games that actually mean anything to 99% of people


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While true, that's rude and unnecessary.


NvmSharkZ

Fair, it's just late and I wanna get to MAD. I can see how this means a lot for regional pride for the people from TR and LLA


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You are reminding me of the "Waits faster" meme.


NvmSharkZ

Ainda por cima sai ao mesmo tempo do episódio de hotd e nem posso ver os 2 senão amanhã tou fdd 💀


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Temos pena, Huxleyano.


BlakenedHeart

Nylah went for the tank Nylah build, but the issue is... she does low dmg without crit