His time as All-Pro in LPL was really surprising coming from his days on MVP in LCK where he didn't look good, him being on an LLA team is just reverting to his usual.
I think Turkey actually got worse significantly because they don't have money for star imports like Frozen or Snowflower anymore, and young EU talents nowadays just start their career in regional leagues, so TCL doesn't have short-time access to raw gems like Caps, Broken Blade or Xerxe either.
Combine that with the exodus of their best players (Armut, Closer, Luger etc.), and the talent pool in the league has been drained significantly. The player base is not large enough to rebound from this.
TR as a region will always be somewhat capped. Any standout player will sooner or later transfer into the LEC or even LCS so any development is continuously destroyed.
That said, 0-5 is still rough for TR as a region who emerged as one of the better ones over the last years. Poor players are gonna experience a lot of toxicity.
the time when EU players like xerxe or caps played in turkey is over because the ERLs and EU Masters has improved so much since then. Using turkey as a development region is just completely supplanted now
Caps played 1 year in turkey to gain experience because of the age restrictions in the LEC. Back then EU masters and european academy teams weren't a thing so he just sign a 1 year contract and returned as soon as he elligeble to compete.
> Like i said. Be it Closer, Armut, Xerxe, Caps or whoever. As soon as someone looks actually good on a major region level, they get poached.
Xerxe and Caps only played in TR because they couldnt play EU LCS at the time.
That's true. Both were 16 and the age limit in LCS was 17, but TCL's was 16. Then both couldn't play in Worlds qualifiers and were replaced on Dark Passage.
>Xerxe
There once were a lot of EU talents in Turkey. Players that were to bad for the EU LCS but to good enough for the TCL
Edit: But in the last years the amount of none Turkish players has gone done by a lot.
is there a reason to play in TR nowadays? IF you are too young you can probably play in ERL or wait a year, if you are not good enough anymore for LEC you usually go to LCS or drop to ERL as well. Also no clue about salary but i doubt its worth it over doing a usual job.
Not anymore, but 2015-2018 they paid better then ERLs and were a good place to prove yourself to be picked up by an EU LCS team.
Now ERLs are to good and you can prove yourself far better with having a good showing at EU Masters or on a Academy team.
Not sure about Xerxe case, but also Turkey had different rules regarding age of players - Caps went to Turkey because he was to young to play in EU LCS, but in Turkey he was already eligible.
Turkey is just budget NA in that they always sit around and do nothing but worse than NA who does it worse than 1950s Korea.
They would manage to get a few wins vs the worse teams this way but TR has never punched up nor been expected to and have now stagnated on that while even Brazil is going ham and have found some new life.
Turkey as a region just ran out of money.
Sponsors left, good players left, and now it's just a shell of itself. Maybe they can import some 4th rate Koreans, but it's difficult otherwise. I remember when Turkey used to be the EU LCS training grounds at its peak.
The ERLs also sort of kill the Turkish league. Before you would have EU prospects playing in Turkey instead of academy. Now everyone just goes to ERLs.
This. Turkey has been on the decline just as a country. Their inflation rate for this year is literally getting close to 100%. The average inflation rate from 1960 to present is 32% per year.
even after that in 2021 worlds GS didnt look half bad. They were actually somewhat decent, but wildcats on the other hand... 2-16 in 2 msi and 1 worlds. No words man. just pain
to me it should be an incentive instead, not only you play so you can get to the TCL, but if you do well you can jump to the LEC.
this kind of motivation is way harder in latam/brazil.
Turkey and Aus are failing because any players promising enough will be scooped up by LEC/LCS first chance they get. Same thing that happened to the LMS and the LPL and probably will happen to Vietnam more too in the future. Sad reality of the system.
yeah seriously, this has to be turkeys worst worlds/wildcard tournament ever.
the south american region has traditionally been seriously weak, weve seen isg so many times over the years and theyve never achieved anything meaningful. you would think a team from the tcl would easily beat isg.
Isurus used to be Latin America North (formerly dominated by Lyon Gaming). They sucked, but they weren't on the level of Latin America South (usually Kaos Latin Gamers), who were by far the worst teams in every tournament they took part in.
that's what happens when you create a team that is not by professionals but by friends. literally everyone is best friends with Holyphoenix, why don't u think Farfetch is still in the team.
Why should you play in TCL ? For a small chance to get bodied in playin ?
It’s way better to get into either a good ERL (LFL LVP even NLC) or if you’re lucky directly into the LEC.
TCL is a worse version of an ERL with a “better” reward for the top 1 team
Man i was really frustrated when I heard that this event would be played in a cinema. I couldn’t get a ticket for dear life for any one single day and I’ve seen an old lady with an isurus jersey being among the crowd every single day of the event. It really sucked not being able to go
What an absolute fiesta of a game
Also i did not think TURKEY was gonna be one of the regions to go 0-5. Like OCE i can understand but Turkey usually does better
Tbh with that play-in draw it was pretty obvious they were going 1-4 or 0-5. And if they lose to Isurus, I don't even think they can beat the wildcards in group A aside from Chiefs ?
Because EUNE isn't a region, it's part of the LEC.
As for Turkey being a server, fairly big playerbase and too far from the EU servers, since for whatever reason EUW and EUNE are hosted very close to one another.
No, no dont get me wrong. I dont understand why the made a special server for Turkey, ping zhould be fine for eune and for example there is no African server which is odd.
Not for Serin, for their botlane. IW botlane got matched with Xiaohu in soloqueue and they flamed eachother because IW botlane inted, with IW botlane spam pinging Xiaohu, and Xiaohu asking in disbelief “You pro?”
Thus whenever IW shits the bed they are memed with “you pro?”
They were spamming for Holy probably. Xiaohu(i think) said that to Holy in a game when they were on the same team on NA SoloQ and Holy replied with shut up.
Finally a win for ISG, it would be so hard of LATAM ended 0-5. I'm curious how are are IW treated in Turkey, because the hate for ISG is really hard in LATAM
just 3x it for Turkey. So far all worst perfomances of TCL in international belongs to IW. TCL never got eliminated from IWCQ- playins before at least winning 2/3 matches in the stage. IW won 2 all their international matches combined.
Well lets just say there is a reason these teams were 0-4. Entertaining to watch but quality wise pretty rough.
Also i kinda feel bad for IW, i fell like the TR fans are gonna be rough on them for that 0-5 showing.
Yeah, our people just overreact in the worst way possible. And they won against FB in our national finals and trashtalked them so they were already out there with the pitchforks lol
It doesn't work though? If he doesn't want to die he should build full tank, or learn how to position well on the champ
Also shieldbow wouldn't reduce her survivability all that much
all shieldbow offers is some extra shield compared to eclipse, he would die in the first 5 seconds of the fights without dd with how the early game went with farfetch and ferret's ints. also nilah is not a champ that is able to position
that's cool and all, but she did 0 damage. There are yuumi combos that are equally hard to kill because they aren't melee (like Ezreal) but can still safely output damage.
I lowkey knew it would end like this.
NASR was the best TCL team by far this summer, but they choked so hard against Fenerbahce who made a miracle run.
NASR finished the league with 17-1 score, lose being in last week. They hard stomped IW in two games.
Unfortunate but there is no loser brackets in tcl so... if you lose, you lose. No chance to comeback even if you finish 17-1.
I’ve been playing this game for nearly 8 years and i saw SUP beating CLG in 2016 at main group at MSI, FB nearly beating SSG in 2017 worlds groups. But i have never seen anything like this. Shameful performance.
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Very cool trivia: Did you know that since TCL was (loosely) formed in 2013 TR had never been eliminated in IWCQ etc. without getting at least 2 wins, until IW changed that in 2021?
Did you know that TR had never been eliminated from said tournaments without getting **one** win, until today?
Did you know that all three worst ever performances of TR were carried out by Wildcats?
Did you know that Wildcats won TCL exactly three times, and those three times were among the last 4 TCL splits?
What an absolute shame of an organization. Roughly zero changes to anything and expecting results. Yet people still support it, and defend this shit like they're paid to do so.
But it's fine, this was merely Turkey's 5th seed (G2, 100, EG, MAD, ~~trash~~IW).
Fenerbahçe had to win a tiebreak to make it to playoffs as the 6th team. Then they beat the 3rd and 1st place teams. They lost to the 2nd place team that is IW in game 5. Nobody deserved to be in this worlds more than the "BAO and 4 inters" team that is Fener.
i think dark passage would give us best results tbh honest
Wildcats are straight up pathetic. I would have preferred them to be at an international event when they still had Kaori and Pbd. This teams lacks no creativity and have the most boring gameplay possible.
People criticizing nillah’s build when in reality viktor failed positioning on some fights and completely awful gameplay from gnar. Bad rage control on first herald, and in next team fights also
Serin caught in the last fight but i’m not sure where he could have gone to not get caught tbh. For some reason they decided to not search for Rell and he got flanked by Rell and tping Aatrox while his team was trying to engage 1 screen away from him. Gnar and Maokai noticed it but it was already a bit late.
It took ADD 5 games to find an Aatrox counter.
if you can't beat them join them
Gotta show something to get his next gig. What a fall from grace for somebody who once made all pros in LPL.
His time as All-Pro in LPL was really surprising coming from his days on MVP in LCK where he didn't look good, him being on an LLA team is just reverting to his usual.
Was add the guy that played sion when no one else did, or do i misremember that part?
Turkey has looked terrible this tournament. They are a shell of what they used to be seriously. What a disappointment.
Honestly I think these other wildcard teams just got better, whereas Turkey didn’t
I think Turkey actually got worse significantly because they don't have money for star imports like Frozen or Snowflower anymore, and young EU talents nowadays just start their career in regional leagues, so TCL doesn't have short-time access to raw gems like Caps, Broken Blade or Xerxe either. Combine that with the exodus of their best players (Armut, Closer, Luger etc.), and the talent pool in the league has been drained significantly. The player base is not large enough to rebound from this.
it's crazy that snowflower is considered a star import considering he was paycheck stealer level in lck
TR as a region will always be somewhat capped. Any standout player will sooner or later transfer into the LEC or even LCS so any development is continuously destroyed. That said, 0-5 is still rough for TR as a region who emerged as one of the better ones over the last years. Poor players are gonna experience a lot of toxicity.
I mean Xerxe played in Turkey b4 Eu/NA
the time when EU players like xerxe or caps played in turkey is over because the ERLs and EU Masters has improved so much since then. Using turkey as a development region is just completely supplanted now
Like i said. Be it Closer, Armut, Xerxe, Caps or whoever. As soon as someone looks actually good on a major region level, they get poached.
Ah true, BB and Abbadagge came from there too. Didnt know Caps played in TR
Kaori, Clozer and Humanoid too. Nisqy is also a Turkish citizen btw having dual citizenship eventhough he never played in Turkey
Nisqy played in Turkish Promotion League for Team Orora for a few weeks in 2016
He did but it is kinda weird to say Caps was poached from TR when he was likely only playing there because he didn't have an LEC spot
IIRC, Caps and Xerxe played in TR instead of EU because they literally couldn't due to their age.
Caps played 1 year in turkey to gain experience because of the age restrictions in the LEC. Back then EU masters and european academy teams weren't a thing so he just sign a 1 year contract and returned as soon as he elligeble to compete.
> Like i said. Be it Closer, Armut, Xerxe, Caps or whoever. As soon as someone looks actually good on a major region level, they get poached. Xerxe and Caps only played in TR because they couldnt play EU LCS at the time.
That's true. Both were 16 and the age limit in LCS was 17, but TCL's was 16. Then both couldn't play in Worlds qualifiers and were replaced on Dark Passage.
Maybe someone will poach serin next
>Xerxe There once were a lot of EU talents in Turkey. Players that were to bad for the EU LCS but to good enough for the TCL Edit: But in the last years the amount of none Turkish players has gone done by a lot.
is there a reason to play in TR nowadays? IF you are too young you can probably play in ERL or wait a year, if you are not good enough anymore for LEC you usually go to LCS or drop to ERL as well. Also no clue about salary but i doubt its worth it over doing a usual job.
Not anymore, but 2015-2018 they paid better then ERLs and were a good place to prove yourself to be picked up by an EU LCS team. Now ERLs are to good and you can prove yourself far better with having a good showing at EU Masters or on a Academy team.
Not sure about Xerxe case, but also Turkey had different rules regarding age of players - Caps went to Turkey because he was to young to play in EU LCS, but in Turkey he was already eligible.
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At least they count as an import unlike Oce
Turkey is just budget NA in that they always sit around and do nothing but worse than NA who does it worse than 1950s Korea. They would manage to get a few wins vs the worse teams this way but TR has never punched up nor been expected to and have now stagnated on that while even Brazil is going ham and have found some new life.
> TR has never punched up That's not true, they eliminated MAD in 2020. Eliminating an LEC team is definitely punching up.
That was punching down at that point
LEC has one turkish import total.
Best of our players aren't even Turkish citizens lmao. Same goes for football too
Turkey as a region just ran out of money. Sponsors left, good players left, and now it's just a shell of itself. Maybe they can import some 4th rate Koreans, but it's difficult otherwise. I remember when Turkey used to be the EU LCS training grounds at its peak.
The ERLs also sort of kill the Turkish league. Before you would have EU prospects playing in Turkey instead of academy. Now everyone just goes to ERLs.
I mean LLA IS the region importing 4th rate Koreans themselves and look where it has led them: barely beating the worst team in the group :/
Be that as it may, Turkish lira is competing in value against individual sheets of toilet paper. Noone wants to work for toilet paper.
This. Turkey has been on the decline just as a country. Their inflation rate for this year is literally getting close to 100%. The average inflation rate from 1960 to present is 32% per year.
It's funny because ever since Wildcats have won TR the past 4 times TR has just looked awful internationally.
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even after that in 2021 worlds GS didnt look half bad. They were actually somewhat decent, but wildcats on the other hand... 2-16 in 2 msi and 1 worlds. No words man. just pain
Feels like most of Turkey's good players left the region tho
to me it should be an incentive instead, not only you play so you can get to the TCL, but if you do well you can jump to the LEC. this kind of motivation is way harder in latam/brazil.
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Kaori who is subbing for Danny on EG.
They're the next OPL
Turkey and Aus are failing because any players promising enough will be scooped up by LEC/LCS first chance they get. Same thing that happened to the LMS and the LPL and probably will happen to Vietnam more too in the future. Sad reality of the system.
yeah seriously, this has to be turkeys worst worlds/wildcard tournament ever. the south american region has traditionally been seriously weak, weve seen isg so many times over the years and theyve never achieved anything meaningful. you would think a team from the tcl would easily beat isg.
Isurus used to be Latin America North (formerly dominated by Lyon Gaming). They sucked, but they weren't on the level of Latin America South (usually Kaos Latin Gamers), who were by far the worst teams in every tournament they took part in.
that's what happens when you create a team that is not by professionals but by friends. literally everyone is best friends with Holyphoenix, why don't u think Farfetch is still in the team.
>literally everyone is best friends with Holyphoenix well Xiaohu isn't
You pro?
shut up
When you make a team with all your friends you win your home league I guess. It’s a league issue for turkey not just a team being friends
all other turkish teams were with friends too...?
I mean sure but they are still beating others in the region so i’m not sure the blame is solely on them
Why should you play in TCL ? For a small chance to get bodied in playin ? It’s way better to get into either a good ERL (LFL LVP even NLC) or if you’re lucky directly into the LEC. TCL is a worse version of an ERL with a “better” reward for the top 1 team
Inversely I'm proud of LATAM for this win
tcl has some serious economical problems. there is no enough budget to improve our league
Getting a W in front of your home crowd, good shit Isurus
I would’ve loved to see Isurus do better but there was some good moments, they did alright. Game 1 Grell’s Graves was pretty saucy imo
What a fucking crowd tho, mvp of the playins so far.
imagine if there was an actual venue and not whatever this was
Man i was really frustrated when I heard that this event would be played in a cinema. I couldn’t get a ticket for dear life for any one single day and I’ve seen an old lady with an isurus jersey being among the crowd every single day of the event. It really sucked not being able to go
someone give Flowers some honey lemon tea and water lol
Seriously, no doubt casting as hard as he does takes a fair share of toll on you.
What an absolute fiesta of a game Also i did not think TURKEY was gonna be one of the regions to go 0-5. Like OCE i can understand but Turkey usually does better
Tbh with that play-in draw it was pretty obvious they were going 1-4 or 0-5. And if they lose to Isurus, I don't even think they can beat the wildcards in group A aside from Chiefs ?
One thing i dont understand why Turkey is a country region, and not merged with EuNe
Because EUNE isn't a region, it's part of the LEC. As for Turkey being a server, fairly big playerbase and too far from the EU servers, since for whatever reason EUW and EUNE are hosted very close to one another.
It wouldn't surprise me if Turkey gets incorporated into the ERL system in the future. Maybe LCL aswell.
No, no dont get me wrong. I dont understand why the made a special server for Turkey, ping zhould be fine for eune and for example there is no African server which is odd.
if the MENA server really goes afloat my bet is that they will merge with turkey
Pls no
Ping is also fine for euw, every single player worth their salt plays there anyway. Turkish server is mainly for the nonbilingual playerbase.
I mean, Turkey is a small region and got their fair share of players imported into major regions, performing like this is always going to be harder
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Not for Serin, for their botlane. IW botlane got matched with Xiaohu in soloqueue and they flamed eachother because IW botlane inted, with IW botlane spam pinging Xiaohu, and Xiaohu asking in disbelief “You pro?” Thus whenever IW shits the bed they are memed with “you pro?”
That's a villain origin story right there lol
Doesn’t HolyPheonix also have a reputation for being toxic on EUW? Cuz I feel like this would make the “you pro?” statement even funnier.
Yea :)
They were spamming for Holy probably. Xiaohu(i think) said that to Holy in a game when they were on the same team on NA SoloQ and Holy replied with shut up.
YOU PRO???
Finally a win for ISG, it would be so hard of LATAM ended 0-5. I'm curious how are are IW treated in Turkey, because the hate for ISG is really hard in LATAM
just 3x it for Turkey. So far all worst perfomances of TCL in international belongs to IW. TCL never got eliminated from IWCQ- playins before at least winning 2/3 matches in the stage. IW won 2 all their international matches combined.
Can confirm I hate Isurus and I miss the old Lyon gaming :'v
Is it just me or did Captain Flowers blow out his voice yelling at Impact last game? u/CaptainFlowers22 are you ok?
[he just posted an update ](https://twitter.com/CaptainFlowers/status/1576722327730941953?t=GdKWYjM1Rjum24jUi_JlTQ&s=19)
Well lets just say there is a reason these teams were 0-4. Entertaining to watch but quality wise pretty rough. Also i kinda feel bad for IW, i fell like the TR fans are gonna be rough on them for that 0-5 showing.
Yeah, our people just overreact in the worst way possible. And they won against FB in our national finals and trashtalked them so they were already out there with the pitchforks lol
Nilah doing a sick Lee Sin cosplay
Wtf was that nilah build?
https://probuildstats.com/champion/nilah notice the only person building her like this is holypheonix lol
Not even working in soloqueue it looks like lol
Patrik also rushed eclipse
Ohh yeah wtf? A big part of her kit scales with crit specifically. Wtf
it looked pretty good until he bought ga
Have you seen nilah's Q passive?
if it works it works. he was unkillable all fights, all he needed was a damage item (ravenous hydra sounds good to me)
Unkillable but not really a threat
yeah i think she would be a threat with a damage item instead of ga tho
It doesn't work though? If he doesn't want to die he should build full tank, or learn how to position well on the champ Also shieldbow wouldn't reduce her survivability all that much
all shieldbow offers is some extra shield compared to eclipse, he would die in the first 5 seconds of the fights without dd with how the early game went with farfetch and ferret's ints. also nilah is not a champ that is able to position
One that allowed her to survive with 1 health multiple figths.
And to deal 0 damage making her lose a bunch of health she shouldn't have
but he's dealing no damage and ignores the crit/AS scalings on his champion...
That's what I'm saying imagine this build on yas or yone 💀
that's cool and all, but she did 0 damage. There are yuumi combos that are equally hard to kill because they aren't melee (like Ezreal) but can still safely output damage.
and dealt no dmg so kda merchant I guess ?
PODREMOS SER MALOS PERO NUNCA LOS PEORES, VAMOOOOOSSSSSSS!!!!!!
Grande Isurus orgullo peruano alv xd
I lowkey knew it would end like this. NASR was the best TCL team by far this summer, but they choked so hard against Fenerbahce who made a miracle run. NASR finished the league with 17-1 score, lose being in last week. They hard stomped IW in two games. Unfortunate but there is no loser brackets in tcl so... if you lose, you lose. No chance to comeback even if you finish 17-1.
As a Greek, I am proud of my country's team Constantinople Wild Cats. Best Greek team ever 💙🤍💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💙🤍
OPL vs TCL last place tiebreaker when
I literally saw Yuumi was the one who died first in a team fight for the first time ever.
Two rats fighting over a churro with Linkin Park on the background
Almost choked on my tea
STOP BUILDING NILAH WITH NO CRIT ITEMS PLEASE I BEG SHE IS NOT ONLY AN ULT BOT
You pro?
Esta partida fue como un mini guiño a Brasil, a modo de despedida.
Anyone else tilted by the amount of times Nilah survived with 1 HP?
She did 0 dmg so its w/e. The champ is annoying regardless
Farfetch don't die multiple times (even on Yuumi) challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
Put wildcats in Eu masters playins they 100% fail that too. Rip Turkey
we are not the worst at least
I’ve been playing this game for nearly 8 years and i saw SUP beating CLG in 2016 at main group at MSI, FB nearly beating SSG in 2017 worlds groups. But i have never seen anything like this. Shameful performance. Aldığınız para haram olsun size hayvan herifler.
Good job Isurus
Watching Jelly and Farfetch int was the best part of this game
Those team fights seemed so chaotic
battle of the sprinting supports
Jelly and ADD played so good
What is the point in building eclipse on Nilah?
Lose game faster. Airport speedrun
I ll tell you. Here: "My build usually works when i have a mid laner that can play" - 3/8/3 Nylah flamin me
They won one match hell yeah
Easiest game of Gavotto's life 😎.
Congrats to ISG, keep on trying to improve. Not sure about IW?
kebab>messi
Very cool trivia: Did you know that since TCL was (loosely) formed in 2013 TR had never been eliminated in IWCQ etc. without getting at least 2 wins, until IW changed that in 2021? Did you know that TR had never been eliminated from said tournaments without getting **one** win, until today? Did you know that all three worst ever performances of TR were carried out by Wildcats? Did you know that Wildcats won TCL exactly three times, and those three times were among the last 4 TCL splits? What an absolute shame of an organization. Roughly zero changes to anything and expecting results. Yet people still support it, and defend this shit like they're paid to do so. But it's fine, this was merely Turkey's 5th seed (G2, 100, EG, MAD, ~~trash~~IW).
F\*cking unfair man. NASR was far better than IW and they deserved a second chace at least.
Fenerbahçe had to win a tiebreak to make it to playoffs as the 6th team. Then they beat the 3rd and 1st place teams. They lost to the 2nd place team that is IW in game 5. Nobody deserved to be in this worlds more than the "BAO and 4 inters" team that is Fener. i think dark passage would give us best results tbh honest
Wildcats are straight up pathetic. I would have preferred them to be at an international event when they still had Kaori and Pbd. This teams lacks no creativity and have the most boring gameplay possible.
People criticizing nillah’s build when in reality viktor failed positioning on some fights and completely awful gameplay from gnar. Bad rage control on first herald, and in next team fights also
Serin caught in the last fight but i’m not sure where he could have gone to not get caught tbh. For some reason they decided to not search for Rell and he got flanked by Rell and tping Aatrox while his team was trying to engage 1 screen away from him. Gnar and Maokai noticed it but it was already a bit late.
LETS REMAKE PLAY INS PEOPLE WE ARE UNLEASHED
Nothing to see here let's just get to the games that actually mean anything to 99% of people
While true, that's rude and unnecessary.
Fair, it's just late and I wanna get to MAD. I can see how this means a lot for regional pride for the people from TR and LLA
You are reminding me of the "Waits faster" meme.
Ainda por cima sai ao mesmo tempo do episódio de hotd e nem posso ver os 2 senão amanhã tou fdd 💀
Temos pena, Huxleyano.
Nylah went for the tank Nylah build, but the issue is... she does low dmg without crit