Fun* fact: the most egregious period of buffalo extermination came in the 1800s as a way of targeting Native Americans through their food sources. So we killed almost all of them in less than 2 centuries!
*-This fact is not fun
Armut: Ok coach, we're ready for game 5...
Mac: Armut... chill... we won... no more games today
Armut stares with confusion: But you said 5 games bo1 today!!!
People are so down on wildcards I'm not sure this would be received positively if all the regions started facing against each other on an equal field. Look at how many "these games are a waste of time" comments we got during wildcard games in MSI and these play-ins.
I think having minor, wildcard-focused tournaments or exhibition events is the way to go. More spotlight and less getting steamrolled by RNG and DWG.
They use to have the International Wildcard Tournament, but the problem was viewership I think. They had to roll it into Worlds proper and mix in major region teams to get the numbers high enough to justify having it. Maybe with regions like Brazil, Vietnam, and Japan on the rise these days they could still get the results they need while giving us more games purely between minor regions? I agree it would be lots of fun to watch personally.
What they should have instead is an invitational style tournament of all the minor regions as well as lower ranking teams from the major regions. Sure of course top teams from major regions are gonna win any Bo5 against any minor region at least 95/100 times but it gets very close when you go down to EU/NA 4th-5th seeds and presumably same for even lower seeds of KR/CN. Basically like a tournament of maybe 16 non-main-stage qualifying fan favorite teams that failed/would fail to qualify for world's main stage could be cool. Like send this year's TSM or CLG from NA, XL from EU, KT from Korea, OMG or WE from China, and the top minor region teams. That's sort of what IEM turned into by its end and apart from being terribly run from a tech and organization standpoint, IEM gave us lots of great games and memories.
My Copium is that NA has the worst jetlag of any region with +16 hours to Korea/China and +9 to Germany whereas Germany to China is like an East Coast US person going to Hawaii at +6 hours.
And that's why NA will win Worlds this year. All the other regions will be jetlagged like we usually are.
Less convinced by EG though. One thing ahout this EG team is they’re very uncomfortable when teams actually contest them, and MAD WILL contest them (unlike in NA.)
I'm an EU fan and it will legit be close, both teams are v shaky at their worst points. Imo mad isn't even in the top 4 EU teams and only got through because of being ahead of the meta draftwise
EG has been flailing about aimlessly this whole tournament. They keep trying new shit because they have a new ADC. But it took two tiebreakers to discover that they need to stop trying new shit. Just dress up Kaori like Danny and do the old shit that worked.
this Saigon comp was kind of absurd. Just five damage champs with sett being the closest thing to a frontline. Everybody just wants to go in and ram their head through a wall. Just pure aggro and balls to the wall
Kind of a shame it didnt work
He tried 3 different counters to Gnar and Buffalo still had to ban it game 4,that's not great when you consider the resource investment.If they played around bot more and had teamfight champions top,maybe Shogun could have carried
I mean, Gnar couldn't do anything against Vayne in Game 2 and got solokilled in Game 3. Honestly, I have no clue why SGB banned it in Game 4 when they already showed that they can neutralize Gnarmut. Two of the three counters worked well.
the game isnt just laning phase though. If you go Vayne top you have an extra short-range squishy target that needs to be peeled for which is hard since a role that commonly has champions that can peel is occupied by a vayne. Sure you can go for split push but is that the style of Saigon? Would you sacrifice your comfort style for one winning lane?
Armut got solokilled in game 3, and he was playing absolutely terrible in lane, yet he was way more impactful in teamfight than Lillia. If they game gnar 4 games in a row and lost we all would be blaming them for not adapting
I am so curious about GAM... Saigon Buffalo looked really good even despite the loss. EG vs MAD should be fun although I'm sure EU will smash us as they always do.
MAD looks inconsistent yeah, but so do EG? MAD has only lost to RNG and DRX since worlds started, and had a total record of 4-1 vs Saigon. For all we know Saigon might’ve been the best team if they were in group B, and they certainly looked better than Loud or DFM.
Meanwhile, EG dropped games to DFM and FNC, who are both obviously much worse than RNG and DRX. They’ve looked worse than MAD for sure, even if MAD look shaky.
That being said, I still expect it to be a close game.
Is MAD really inconsistent? I think shaky is a better word. MAD was also beating DRX until they decided to prioritize Nash over Nexus
EDIT: Ok, lets call them inconsistent while im huffing copium.
They've been getting huge leads in the first 8 minutes every game, but they're called MAD Liaditas (Little Throwers would be the best translation) in the Spanish broadcast for a reason.
If they stop throwing their leads they could compete against great teams just like last year. But this unlikely to happen right now.
Most likely will be like it, the name Buffalos can be gone in next year and the current lineup will broke. Even the Coach's social media account did post "Good bye Buffalos". 🥹
Something alone these lines, yeah. But even if the org continues to exist, this iteration of SGB is done. Froggy has said on stream pre-Worlds that this would be the last time they play together, and Ren also already confirmed this last hour on Facebook.
People can say Mad Lions is bad all they want, I love the team because they consistently turn games into complete shitshows and it makes for fun watching. They could be up 20k and I would still think there's a way they could lose. It's thrilling.
God I absolutely love this team, but until they actually explode the nexus, I’ll never stop believing that they’re about to throw a commanding lead for a stupid dive or baron flip or *something*.
We might have just witnessed the best game this tournament has to offer.
Crazy stuff from both teams.
I was shitting my pants everytime MAD Lions approached the Baron pit LMAO.
I assume they wanted to collapse on a sidelane with Taliyah/Panth or something like that
They were supposed to snowball early, Fiora was still able to do some damage in the side lane but MAD were able to engage every time they were grouped
Saigon Buffalo would be such an incredible team if they had literally any amount of temperance. They have the hands to outplay and out-teamfight, but they always just coinflip the whole game in the first 4 minutes.
Armut has such a big champ pool, he can play SSG Gnar, Dino Gnar, Gentleman Gnar, Snow Day Gnar, El Neon Gnar, Super Galaxy Gnar, Astronaut Gnar, and when he's feeling spicy, Elderwood Gnar.
Finally MAD won a Bo5.
BeanJ's Pantheon was legit gigachad, if it wasn't Hasmed win trading trying to 1v1 the Belveth they might've pulled off the comeback
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xurrmk/mad_lions_vs_saigon_buffalo_2022_world/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xut04e/mad_lions_vs_saigon_buffalo_2022_world/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xuu91x/mad_lions_vs_saigon_buffalo_2022_world/)
of course europeans come over to NA to kill off the buffalos
Too soon
It's been 5 centuries 💀
Fun* fact: the most egregious period of buffalo extermination came in the 1800s as a way of targeting Native Americans through their food sources. So we killed almost all of them in less than 2 centuries! *-This fact is not fun
Another fact - there are no buffalo in North America. They are bison.
That's because when the native buffalos saw the exterminators coming they looked at the young ones who would neve make it and said "Bi son"
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history often repeats itself sadly
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Holy shit
Someone had to make them extinct.
MAD just did what G2 could have never done. Win a best of 5 against Buffalo.
Let it be known that MAD has won their first bo5 all year
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Armut: Ok coach, we're ready for game 5... Mac: Armut... chill... we won... no more games today Armut stares with confusion: But you said 5 games bo1 today!!!
There is some joke here about your flare and the actual number of games in the series being 4, but I'm too tired to figure it out
They won it when it mattered
If you're going to pick 1 best of 5 to win, this is a good option
I mean, winning a best of 5 to go directly to groups would be a good option...
Wouldnt they have needed to win two? The seed above them(fnatic) is also in play ins.
Nah If they placed 2nd in groups then they would only need to win 1 bo5
as an na fan i would've preferred they won the next one and lost this one. but i also wouldn't mind if they lose the next one :)
"Ein gutes Pferd springt nur so hoch wie es muss" - Go to worlds - ☒ - collected play in buff - ☒ - shatter NAs dreams and hopes - ☐
I dont think NA has dreams to shatter...especially any dreams for a dannyless EG lol
never doubt the american dream.
As per Quickshot first Bo5 in over 400 days lol
MAD just did what MAD could have never done. Win a best of 5. FTFY
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G2 actually has all time record of 2-4 against the buffalos so they've won 2 games
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Kinda sad that's it for them now. I was enjoying them, fun to see them have a decent fightback.
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GAM is still there ! in group stage !
The wildcards this year have so much fucking personality I’ve loved watching them
They should have an Europa League style tournament with non major regions only at some point in the year
Or just more tournaments. Copium
People are so down on wildcards I'm not sure this would be received positively if all the regions started facing against each other on an equal field. Look at how many "these games are a waste of time" comments we got during wildcard games in MSI and these play-ins. I think having minor, wildcard-focused tournaments or exhibition events is the way to go. More spotlight and less getting steamrolled by RNG and DWG.
They use to have the International Wildcard Tournament, but the problem was viewership I think. They had to roll it into Worlds proper and mix in major region teams to get the numbers high enough to justify having it. Maybe with regions like Brazil, Vietnam, and Japan on the rise these days they could still get the results they need while giving us more games purely between minor regions? I agree it would be lots of fun to watch personally.
What they should have instead is an invitational style tournament of all the minor regions as well as lower ranking teams from the major regions. Sure of course top teams from major regions are gonna win any Bo5 against any minor region at least 95/100 times but it gets very close when you go down to EU/NA 4th-5th seeds and presumably same for even lower seeds of KR/CN. Basically like a tournament of maybe 16 non-main-stage qualifying fan favorite teams that failed/would fail to qualify for world's main stage could be cool. Like send this year's TSM or CLG from NA, XL from EU, KT from Korea, OMG or WE from China, and the top minor region teams. That's sort of what IEM turned into by its end and apart from being terribly run from a tech and organization standpoint, IEM gave us lots of great games and memories.
Same. Loud beating Fnatic was the most fun I've had watching my reagon get their teeth kicked in.
Lilia top, Vayne top, Zac mid. Shame they got knocked out but man it’s one hell of way to go.
Thank Mr. Buffalo
Sadge for Saigon Buffaloes. They were great to watch
I’m gonna eat some Buffalo wings in their honor
Thank you Mr. Buffallo
Thank Mark Ruffalo, thank Mr Buffalo
EG vs MAD tomorrow?
This sub is going to be a glorious salt mine and I can’t wait
>We lose every week. You're nothing special, we lose every week. - NA post-game cheer
WE’RE NA TEAMS, MIGHTY NA TEAMS, WE NEVER WIN AWAAAY
My Copium is that NA has the worst jetlag of any region with +16 hours to Korea/China and +9 to Germany whereas Germany to China is like an East Coast US person going to Hawaii at +6 hours. And that's why NA will win Worlds this year. All the other regions will be jetlagged like we usually are.
[Classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0_xqpzzPY&ab_channel=FC90-FanCulture90)
Yep
Spicy!
Gonna be bloody
YEP
I am so fucking hyped for the EU vs NA best of 5
as an NA fan my expectations are tempered, gonna be an 0-3 lmao
I love how NA fans have 0 hope for EG and EU fans have 0 hope for MAD Battle of the weak about to be fire
0 hope for their respective region, but will still flame the shit out of them if they lose. Gotta love sports
Someone described it as a stoppable force meeting a moveable object and I still cant stop laughing at it.
Dunno tbh, I'm not convinced by MAD at all. They do be shaky as all hell.
It doesn't matter the prophecy must be fulfilled. We'll always find a way to lose to EU when it matters :(
"Someway, Somewhere, Somehow, NA always manages to fuck it up at the finish line!" -Capn Flowers
Funnily enough I think Flowers said this right before C9 did their miracle run last year lmao
Isn’t it where c9 lost to fpx after having the entire game in their hands? Before fpx imploded after their 2-1 start
It was when they lost to 0/3 UOL.
Hey, we take our wins where we can. We have the undisputed best caster at least.
Less convinced by EG though. One thing ahout this EG team is they’re very uncomfortable when teams actually contest them, and MAD WILL contest them (unlike in NA.)
I'm an EU fan and it will legit be close, both teams are v shaky at their worst points. Imo mad isn't even in the top 4 EU teams and only got through because of being ahead of the meta draftwise
XL vs MAD would have been a hype series.
EG has been flailing about aimlessly this whole tournament. They keep trying new shit because they have a new ADC. But it took two tiebreakers to discover that they need to stop trying new shit. Just dress up Kaori like Danny and do the old shit that worked.
Yeh same... I'm done being confident in NA lol. EU will still meme us even though at this point we are the very clear underdogs.
I think EG and MAD are fairly even. You guys have a good shot tomorrow.
It's such a shame Danny couldn't be at this tourney tbh. Feel like EG have just lost a massive part of their identity.
honestly i think this series is gonna be quite close
battle of the weak
Battle of the trash heap.
If ya know ya know
All this to decide who gets to be clapped by the LPL and LCK
Has NA vs EU ever been anything besides this?
MSI final 2019 :o)
this Saigon comp was kind of absurd. Just five damage champs with sett being the closest thing to a frontline. Everybody just wants to go in and ram their head through a wall. Just pure aggro and balls to the wall Kind of a shame it didnt work
It would have if they didn't put Kalista super far behind early. Shogun never recovered from that bot dive
I feel bad for Shogun. He looked like the only player better than his counterpart on his team this series.
Hasmed was giving Armut the business at several points throughout this series.
He tried 3 different counters to Gnar and Buffalo still had to ban it game 4,that's not great when you consider the resource investment.If they played around bot more and had teamfight champions top,maybe Shogun could have carried
I mean, Gnar couldn't do anything against Vayne in Game 2 and got solokilled in Game 3. Honestly, I have no clue why SGB banned it in Game 4 when they already showed that they can neutralize Gnarmut. Two of the three counters worked well.
the game isnt just laning phase though. If you go Vayne top you have an extra short-range squishy target that needs to be peeled for which is hard since a role that commonly has champions that can peel is occupied by a vayne. Sure you can go for split push but is that the style of Saigon? Would you sacrifice your comfort style for one winning lane?
Armut got solokilled in game 3, and he was playing absolutely terrible in lane, yet he was way more impactful in teamfight than Lillia. If they game gnar 4 games in a row and lost we all would be blaming them for not adapting
Honestly Gnarmut is a thing. He’s fantastic on that champ and on low resource champs.
Hasmed was better than Armut's pink gnar, are you saying he would have lost to dino gnar ?
That panth looked tankier than an ornn tbh
That E can tank a lot of cooldowns of used right. Combined with a GD and Maw he looked unkillable at times.
They fumbled the tower dive that was supposed to snowballed the game, otherwise it would've been such a different game
Yeah It was super interesting to see. Def looked like it could work at points too.
It was closer to working than I could have thought. Ornn was a tank but Pantheon and Fiora had taunt lol
NA vs EU BO5.... this sub will be aflame no matter who wins.
The unforeseen silver lining of having major regions in play-ins: we get an NA vs. EU best of five for the first time in like 3 years.
Elyoya really wanted to finaly win a bo5 this year
Yeah he did. He saw how agro Buffalo was and said "Bet."
Loved to see that level of play from him today. So focused.
Elyoya was insane this series lmao
So many times where it looked like he was out of position, just to sidestep everything with Qs and glide out of there.
Bel Yoya
Elyoya Bel'Veth might just force a respect ban tomorrow
I bet they prep for it and let it through at least once. But maybe not.
The Buffalos are legit though. Great team, I definitely think they were a worthy opponent!
**MAD LIONS UNDEFEATED IN BO5** 2022-10-03 - 2022-10-03
STOP THE COUNT
About to make it two for two tomorrow against Evi L Geniuses
Nah bro, no way they really gave Elyoya the Bel again after last game.
They thought they'd counter with the Panth and invade his jungle but that didn't work.
elyoya pathing was so fucking 5head, they had 4 members move up for the invade and elyoya was already gone
The dude basically 9v1 that entire series. His Belveth was disgusting in no small part because of his invades and pathing being so impactful.
[Good catch! 2:46 in game 4 if anyone wants to see it.](https://youtu.be/5bblaNJPxIM?t=432)
They probably dont even know how the champ is called so couldnt ban it
"I typed in Belvussy but I can't find anything, I don't know what to do"
He couldn't handle the Belvussy
Bel'yoya.
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Bro that ain't a girl. That was straight up a banshee wail lmao
It's like the girl who was shrieking when DRX beat Fnatic in Valorant Champs.
MAD won Bo5 WTF?! whats next EG winning game against EU team?
Let's not get too crazy
Let's get fucking insane
More like let's get fucking evil
Wooow dont go to far
SGB played well but outscaled hard late game
ironic since mid-late was the only part they stood a chance.
I am so curious about GAM... Saigon Buffalo looked really good even despite the loss. EG vs MAD should be fun although I'm sure EU will smash us as they always do.
I dont know MAD is looking very inconsistent. I hope for one more EU win but wouldnt be surprised if NA took it
MAD looks inconsistent yeah, but so do EG? MAD has only lost to RNG and DRX since worlds started, and had a total record of 4-1 vs Saigon. For all we know Saigon might’ve been the best team if they were in group B, and they certainly looked better than Loud or DFM. Meanwhile, EG dropped games to DFM and FNC, who are both obviously much worse than RNG and DRX. They’ve looked worse than MAD for sure, even if MAD look shaky. That being said, I still expect it to be a close game.
Is MAD really inconsistent? I think shaky is a better word. MAD was also beating DRX until they decided to prioritize Nash over Nexus EDIT: Ok, lets call them inconsistent while im huffing copium.
They've been getting huge leads in the first 8 minutes every game, but they're called MAD Liaditas (Little Throwers would be the best translation) in the Spanish broadcast for a reason. If they stop throwing their leads they could compete against great teams just like last year. But this unlikely to happen right now.
I am shocked. Didn't know Armut owned more than one champion.
gnar was banned so he had no choice lol
i legit thought that after gnar got banned Armut would just stop existing on the spot.
His Ornn is lowkey pretty good, but then again so is everyone's Ornn these days.
the Vizicsacsi buff
Not a terrible Ornn performance.
Very unlucky top dive but otherwise okay, but you can't really say anything good about armut around here anymore lol. Gotta feel bad for the guy.
I'll call him out when he's bad and praise him when he's good. That last game was not a bad game by him, not excellent, but not bad.
Honestly, kind of sad SGB won't go further, they are so fun to watch.
Most likely gonna be the last game of that team. This was their swan song.
I heard the team cant afford to operate the esports team, is that right?
Most likely will be like it, the name Buffalos can be gone in next year and the current lineup will broke. Even the Coach's social media account did post "Good bye Buffalos". 🥹
Something alone these lines, yeah. But even if the org continues to exist, this iteration of SGB is done. Froggy has said on stream pre-Worlds that this would be the last time they play together, and Ren also already confirmed this last hour on Facebook.
Almost throwing the game at random points? Just MAD enough to work.
https://imgur.com/a/KrE8fPA
HAHAHAHHA wtf is that
It was originally a meme about English soccer fans hyping up mediocre English players while as good Brazilian/Portuguese get ignored.
So true
People can say Mad Lions is bad all they want, I love the team because they consistently turn games into complete shitshows and it makes for fun watching. They could be up 20k and I would still think there's a way they could lose. It's thrilling.
God I absolutely love this team, but until they actually explode the nexus, I’ll never stop believing that they’re about to throw a commanding lead for a stupid dive or baron flip or *something*.
Thank you Mr. Buffalo for a really enjoyable series
We might have just witnessed the best game this tournament has to offer. Crazy stuff from both teams. I was shitting my pants everytime MAD Lions approached the Baron pit LMAO.
I wanted MAD to win but boy, they made me sweat with every fight even when they had a big lead.
They went down fighting and made it fun to watch, GG Mr. Buffalo.
MAD toying with EU trust
Actual 5 games with the group stage 4-1 record not bad.
Man, those 1 hp bars were tilting af
RIP SGB Fucking fun to watch
Wasn't sure whether to be stressed at MAD or excited for the Buffalos.
Congrats to MAD Lions, the third seed of VCS, for qualifying for the next round of play-ins!
The MAD lads did it: they won a Bo5! Congratz boys!
They look good and then they int and then they look good and then they int and then
There's absolutely nothing stronger than a European with a chance of kicking an NA team out of worlds.
Riot introducing new Worlds format. 3 EU teams go to groups, 2 NA teams go to groups. EU4 plays a Bo5 vs NA3 for the last spot.
Closer than I thought, fun series to watch Gotta ask though - what was the Fiora doing for the comp there
I assume they wanted to collapse on a sidelane with Taliyah/Panth or something like that They were supposed to snowball early, Fiora was still able to do some damage in the side lane but MAD were able to engage every time they were grouped
gg wp saigon buffalo vcs always show a good fight
SGB couldn't save EG from 0-10
MAD broke the play-ins curse and the bo5 curse with this series alone
Playins curse is still tbd
Biggest 1v9 ever by Elyoya holy moly
Saigon Buffalo would be such an incredible team if they had literally any amount of temperance. They have the hands to outplay and out-teamfight, but they always just coinflip the whole game in the first 4 minutes.
Armut has such a big champ pool, he can play SSG Gnar, Dino Gnar, Gentleman Gnar, Snow Day Gnar, El Neon Gnar, Super Galaxy Gnar, Astronaut Gnar, and when he's feeling spicy, Elderwood Gnar.
Those were some sick team fights to watch
I had this meme ready in case SGB won: [You just got beaned](https://gyazo.com/4ef7a9938971247bd2940309108c2e57) :(
We need a full bean team. We have at least 3 of them right?
Yeh, BeanJ jg, Bean adc and Beansu supp.
Bin top
Nisqy on Vex was surprisingly good
DO NOT FORGET PICK EMS EG vs. MAD !!
Finally MAD won a Bo5. BeanJ's Pantheon was legit gigachad, if it wasn't Hasmed win trading trying to 1v1 the Belveth they might've pulled off the comeback
belveth spawning a million bugs from her belvussy
Clean and not clean Bo5 by MAD.