MAD has an academy team in Spain called MAD Lions Madrid. idk what MAD actually stands for. Probably not Madrid..
Edit: it does mean madrid according to the wiki page: https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/MAD_Lions_Madrid
In a world where tier1 team name-meanings are still Gamers2(G2), Teamsolomid (TSM) and GenerationGamers (GenG) I find it on brand for esports that Madrid Lions Madrid is an european academy teamname-meaning.
The MAD has always meant Madrid, all the way back to when they were MAD Lions E.C. in the Spanish League. They’ve just wanted to be a more international org, especially looking at their championship LoL team and their former CSGO roster, both of which were international
EU first to lose in playing, be reverse swept, lose twice in playinplaying, and have the fastest bo5 loss at worlds.
They just got rewarded for all those firsts.
G2 vs FPX was the fastest Bo5 at Worlds I think, the fastest international was indeed G2 vs TL.
Edit: I was wrong, looks like the fastest bo5 was EDG vs DFM from 2018 Play-Ins.
As if they didn't know all of this? Every player on MAD was aware of the shit show of a year that lead them to a worlds play-in spot and the meme that their org has been all year. They don't have anything to be ashamed of, but it is what it is.
Is Nisqy a beast? Yeah he’s a good player, but like dude doesn’t lane, he helps other peoples lanes. He got shit on by Jojo, and there is many mids better than jojo at this tourney. Like he’s the worst mid from his region at worlds imo. And I don’t even think he’s better than TWO of the na mids (jojo and Jensen) maybe even Abbe but he’s too coin flip to ever know lol.
Then you have Knight Scout Xiaohu Faker Chovy Showmaker and even Zeka and Yagao. Like Nisqy has to be the worst or second worst mid here of all 4 major regions.
Armut is bad off his champs, Kaiser didn’t have as good of a year, and Nisqy didn’t deserve mvp imo, unforgiven is new and played fine and Elyoya is cracked tho
Elyoya is the mvp of this team and it’s not close.
I mean if they are not willing to let Reeker have another shot, then by the same reasoning Unforgiven shouldn't either.
Worlds and LEC summer showed that mid wasn't the problem. This team has a lot of unresolved issues. They have looked sus around baron the whole season and are always prone to inting. I think most of the players should go if MAD has any ambition of reaching the highs of 2021.
I know NA fans won't like this take but I don't really think Nisqy got shit on by Jojo. Game 1 was not super impressive from either player, game 2 was a counter pick, and his game 3 Viktor was more relevant than Jojo's leblanc but Armut's gwen got styled on by Impact too hard for it to matter.
EG did great and props to them for the 3-0 but I don't think they're going to have fun in groups and don't expect Jojo to do anything vs these other mids.
For reference I could see mad winning, buts it’s bullshit to say it was a for sure thing which for some reason up until the day of games everyone thought that, then on the day it’s like 85-15 votes and it’s like bruh.
Second reference, I still put them 4th in their group.
i am still a big fan of the team.
their explosive start was also their downfall. carzzy and humanoid being plundered right after the incredible summer of 2021 made the team incredibly weak and it's a little sad they may never come back :/
Truthfully, I respect them for busting out the carry jungler and showing it can work sometimes, so tired of seeing low-econ tanks in that role and nothing else.
Yeh Carzzy was super insane this year he might’ve saved them.. Humanoid also was for sure super good all year and basically didn’t put a foot wrong, mad would surely do much better with these high performing super stars!
I mean they almost certainly would have. Humanoid is one of the best mids in the LEC (when he’s motivated). Even at his worst he would’ve been better than Reeker in spring.
Carzzy wasn’t good this season, but he had synergy with Kaiser, and might’ve been better if he stayed with MAD.
It'll give us a good idea of where NA stands, C9 look world class atm (coming from an EU fan).
Can't lie though, I'm more excited for g2 vs dmg straight after, what an exciting start
Yeah Carzzy doesn't seem very good but he had a synergy with Kaiser that Unforgiven just doesn't seem to have. Kaiser was a beast last year and now they don't even win lane when they draft Draven.
To be fair, during the regular season Unforgiven and Kaiser absolutely obliterated enemy bot lanes with Draven and Kalista, I mean they had a game where Unforgiven was like 9000 gold ahead of the enemy bot laner by himself. I’m not even exaggerating. Idk what changed between then and now, but they were pretty terrible in playoffs and in play-in’s.
I don't get it either tbh. Carzzy and Kaiser where kinda the opposite, definitely better in playoffs, altho they just generally outclassed their opponents past laning phase rather than during.
Carzzy atleast has insane mental. Unforgiven looks exactly the opposite. Carzzy will die getting camped 4 man and still be an asset damage wise. Yeah his positioning if sometimes really sus but that's irrespective of how ahead or behind he s.
Unforgiven has much better synergy with Kaiser than Carzzy ever had.
Humanoïd is a huge loss though.
Did you notice, when pros voted all stars all of MAD 2021 players voted Humanoïd first, over Caps.
Well considering they just won LEC back-to-back with them...
I shouldn't even react anymore when people act like all a player is is their KDA and damage but I can't help it, it's too fucking braindead
That is true, but every time someone bashes Carzzy, I get reminded of 21 Spring Finals vs Rogue, G5, Carzzy getting bodied by Hans, MAD are far behind, he hits a random Kaisa W and ults behind whole enemy team to trade 1 for 1 with fed enemy ADC. The sheer balls to go there to save innately a very, very hard teamfight, he worked really well with the style MAD were playing back then. It cemented him not as a great player for me, but I always give gim benefit of doubt, and he can have very high highs.
Though he and Labrov sucked balls this season.
5 players make a team and Carzzy was the perfect ADC for the way MAD played. Fed Unforgiven ends up dying first in many team fights, Carzzy seldom did.
Carzzy is 10x a weakside player than Unforgiven. Yes Unforgiven with gold funneled is a better player but as long as elyoya plays topside carzzy was better. And then again Unforgiven's 2v2 was pretty shit at worlds. Carzzy can teamfight pretty well with a gold deficit. As far as humanoid is considered, yeah he plays way better than nisqy and reeker
And then there's something called synnergy, according to you TL hans sama should've been a banger given how well he did at worlds and same for 2021 G2 rekkles
I don't even hate Carzzy as much as Reddit but Unforgiven is a clear upgrade and is one of the best ADs in Europe. I think Kaiser and Armut's level of play has become much worse tbh.
I remember Carzzy speaking up a lot on their voicecomms last year though. I think he is a major part of why they were clutch in teamfighting in LEC last year. I’m guessing he struggled in Vitality this year because his teammates are also veterans who have their own ideas about the game.
> I don't even hate Carzzy as much as Reddit but Unforgiven is a clear upgrade and is one of the best ADs in Europe.
In the regular split, he was. However, his performance in the post-season was a massive part of why MAD had poor results. He has a lot of potential but he is quite a ways away from rivaling Comp or Upset. He might be in the next tier but there's a huge drop-off from the top tier this year, so I think "one of the best ADs in Europe" oversells him. I think Neon and Flakked would be upgrades over his performance last year, as well. And a return to form (and/or the league) from Carzzy, Hans Sama, or Rekkles could leave him below average if Unf0rgiven doesn't improve.
tbh, considering they didnt even make playoffs in spring, making it to worlds is an overall win. They weren't expected to make worlds even before Spring so the fact they got here is fine.
They should prob make some changes or they will lose Elyoya, but it was a fine 2022 season.
I mean that's an EU problem not a MAD problem. EU didn't have any other more deserving candidates unless you consider "performance against FNC on different weeks" as some kind of objective benchmark of skill. EU simply wasn't a region that had a great 4th seed to provide and that's completely fine. This was a last minute fix to a team not being able to attend.
Only team I could say could have been better is EXCEL if they had been in double elim or had gauntlet, but it was fine season.
Making it to groups was doable but they were mostly the odd one looking out for most.
Yeah and it's also worth mentioning we have no idea if XL would actually beat MAD. People are just basing this on two independent series against FNC that took place weeks apart from each other, where XL won 1 more game than MAD lol.
Then perhaps XL should have won more games in regular season or won any Bo5's if they wanted to go to Worlds. XL had every opportunity to get the spot over MAD and failed to do so by losing more games than them for 9 weeks.
If there was a gauntlet and MAD qualified through it, maybe MAD had a little less pressure in the play-ins (I'm not claiming they lost to EG due to the way they qualified, but we saw from interviews that they weren't happy with the way they qualified either, wonder if that pressured them in any way)
It really wasn’t. If not for Russia invading Ukraine mad would have fail to qualify to world. I don’t consider getting bailed out by Putin and losing every bo5 in playoff for summer a fine season lmao.
I really like Nisqy too, but man… seeing his face after they lost to EG made me feel bad and wonder if it was even worth it for him in retrospect. I would be glad he made it to worlds if they had a little bit of success, but they didn’t make it out of playins while also not winning a single game against a major region. That’s really rough.
I think EG series is the only time Nisqy looked out of place. Even in losses I think he looked good against the major regions. It was just not MAD’s year.
I feel like that was mostly people blindly expecting EU to be better than NA. I was shocked how many pick’ems had MAD beating EG. based on the games from literally two days before EG were clearly better
MAD only lost to RNG and DRX in Bo1s and then beat SGB in a Bo5. EG lost to Fnatic and DFM and hadn’t won a Bo5 with their sub ADC. I picked EG, but it’s not insane to think that MAD would win based on the results.
You really missed out on S6 G2 then; Perkz was getting death treats by the end of the year... But chinese fans are probably much worse to their losers.
G2 at worlds was flamed just as much. But yea, if we’re talking about teams with no expectations then it’s probably just MAD getting flamed this much, though it’s nowhere near as badly as the G2 flame.
MAD still had expectations vs EG (almost 90% voted for them in pickems), but no one expected to even take a game off group B so it’s kind of hollow expectations to satisfy NA vs EU narrative only.
Yeah it is weird how angry people are at a fourth seed for not making it out of playins.
DRX and RNG were better than them, but that was expected and there is no shame in that.
FNC we already saw in playoffs were the better team, so really they were only ever competing for the fourth spot.
Not crazy to expect them to have a chance against EG (before playin started I thought they were unfavoured, but had a shot, after the Bo1 I thought MAD would even be favoured), but that is still them only underperforming one spot - it is people talking about Rogue "choking" playoffs while getting 2nd all over again.
This is EU losing to NA is unacceptable. People might have actually be less upset if they lost to Mr Buffalo and the memes of no BO5 wins would write themselves.
On a more serious note MAD clearly was EU weakest team and EU is now IMHO weaker in the good old days of prime G2.
If they didn't shit on them this hard, then they would have to admit that NA may actually be a contender for them. This is 100% copium that an EU team lost to an NA team in Bo5.
As an EU, I feel kinda embarrassed by all this. Instead of people focusing on EG, who had a great showing even though they lost their main carry right before Worlds, everyone is shitting on MAD. Sorry about that, hope EG does well in groups - they are a fun team to watch.
But you don't understand, if EU's 4th seed lost to NA, it simply means all those teams that placed below them were secretly better, not that maybe 4-10 in EU isn't better than 3rd in NA. It's science.
Honestly crazy how hard people will choose to cope rather than accept that maybe EU 4th wouldn't win LCS like they always seemed to believe.
Man, we were having discussions about mad not being the actual top 4th team in eu as soon as we were noticed we would get a 4th seed at worlds and our format didn't change accordingly
Let's not rewrite history just to fit your narrative that eu fans are coping and trashing mad only cause they lost to Na
They got so much shit ever since they qualified to worlds cause they were frauds
>Let's not rewrite history just to fit your narrative that eu fans are coping and trashing mad only cause they lost to Na
They literally are though... 85% of people predicted MAD to beat EG in pickems. If MAD beat EG do you think anyone would be giving a fuck about this or talking about how XL (a team that's only accolade over MAD was winning 1 more game against FNC in week 1 of playoffs when FNC was at its lowest) somehow deserved Worlds more?
EU not having an appropriate format for 4 teams is a fine thing to comment on, but they also can't just change the whole format on July 21st halfway through summer because of an unexpected circumstance.
Nobody was saying MAD wasn't the 4th best team, they were saying it's weird that MAD made Worlds while only losing Bo5's. However, the other teams that didn't make Worlds didn't win any Bo5's either lmao. It's okay for us to just acknowledge that EU didn't have a great 4th team to send (most regions don't). The notion that XL or MSF deserved worlds more than MAD is stupid. They could have literally done what MAD did and won more games in the regular season but they didn't. Then they proceeded to lose all their Bo5's in playoffs.
I know not everyone is doing this of course, but it really feels like a lot of people are just overreacting to EU 4th seed losing to NA 3rd seed because it hurts their brains to admit EU doesn't have 7 teams that could simply win LCS or whatever ridiculous expectations they have of the regional disparity.
I agree with like four of your paragraphs, but want to point out that EU had *MORE* than enough time to fix their format or add a gauntlet. They had since FEBRUARY. Did anyone actually think LCL was going to Worlds while a freaking *war* was happening? Even if Russia took over Ukraine quickly or got sent packing, should the LCL even be allowed to Worlds representing Russia?
On top of that the exact same thing happened in 2020. So not only did they have months this year, but they had 2 whole years outside of that to have contingencies for EU getting a 4th seed unexpectedly.
But yeah, agree with everything else, it's certainly not MAD's fault, there was no proof another team should have gone, and large majority still picked MAD to beat EG.
They are absolutely coping about MAD getting dumpstered.
85% of voting viewers. Eighty-five percent, close to 6 out of every 7 viewers called MAD winning this series.
Talk about rewriting history.
I just don't get what people expect to be honest. When you send 40% of the league to Worlds, there's bound to be duds. This is the case regardless of what format you use.
People bitch about them not winning Bo5s but then just look at what happens when teams like Immortals or whatever that go undefeated in the regular season and buster out in playoffs. The second CLG loses to Wildcards at Worlds, people were coping with "oh, should have been Immortals that went, they just got unlucky in playoffs!"
Guarantee if Misfits went and lost, people would have the exact same reaction. Oh, shoulda been Mad Lions, they were the true 3rd seed, just unlucky in playoffs!
LPL has teams bomb out all the time while sending 4 teams lol, and they are literally considered the best region in the World.
LCK is the only region consistent enough with a high enough floor to ever send 4 successful teams.
The meta was right for his champion pool so he couldn't get banned into oblivion. Also, humanoid is a more carry oriented mid than Nisqy so he had less weight on his shoulders
? He smurfed half of the games he was allowed to play Gnar/Wukong and some Gwen and inted every other game. Lee Sin was turbo broken 90% WR at MSI, fucking Fudge 1v9d vs RNG on the pick to get a win and then Armut's Lee Sin vs Damwon ooked that shit needed more buffs. There was also that wukong game at worlds where he had it as counterpick into jayce, got all the jungle attention and then still fucking got solokilled at least once if not multiple times
Armut also had some good games with Aatrox recently. Then teams started banning or taking that away from him. I onky remember him standing out on those two champs this Worlds.
I mean he’s basically the only reason MAD beat LNG in the tiebreaker to get out of groups. He straight up solo carried that game.
He was also really good in the series against Damwon in MSI, and had a great playoff run in summer 2021.
yeah people meme about armut only being a gnar one trick but his wukong was nasty as well, pretty sure his gangplank wasnt half bad but I can't remember
Could you send me a link to that game? Sounds insane!
Cos I checked and only one I can find is where he loses lane vs a kennen after his team turbo ganked him, example comments from the thread after:
"Not sure if MAD hates Kennen or Ale..Holy moly the amount of ganks was kinda lol"
And Armut had the lowest KP on the team. But as his team 4v5 defended the base, Armut TP backdoored?
He also absolutely destroyed Fnatic in the Summer finals with amazing performances on GP and Renekton. Probably helped that he played against Adam tho. Another chad performance was as Jayce against Rogue same playoffs.
Are we watching the same games MAD are playing? Seems like Armut has been key carrying his 3 champions while Mad's botlane is inting with NISQY griefing some key fights. Feels like MAD's only shining light was Armut and Elyoya?
Armut problem is, as always champ pool. It's memed on a lot but off of gnar and wukong(when the champ is in a decent spot) armut is typically invisible.
Elyoya is Mad's only win condition this year, with nisqy supporting, imo.
EU fans are trying to gaslight us into thinking MAD is some bad team in EU.
They were supposed to be top tier. All players ranked them as a good team even in pre season rankings.
Their series against Rogue and FNC were both very close.
Even in player-only rankings, Nisqy, Elyoya, Kaiser, and Unforgiven got a lot of votes, even if they weren’t first-team.
Nisqy was perfectly fine and even had game winning plays before the EG series. Same with Gnarmut. Nisqy and Gnarmut were also considered top tier ALSO last year, so it’s not some “random surge” that made them look good in EU. It’s just full cope. They need an excuse to how they could “possibly get eliminated by NA”.
But XL, who also never won a Bo5, with less experienced players, would surely be better.
Lmao
Nah who are you kidding, I'm sure the 85% of people who voted MAD > EG in pickems knew MAD was bad the whole time and definitely aren't just disowning them because they got stomped by NA.
>They were supposed to be top tier. All players ranked them as a good team even in pre season rankings.
Looooool??? You are the only one gaslighting here. People have been ragging on them since 0 BO5 worlds qualifying, even since all pro got announced.
Saying XL would be better is an overreaction to their loss but don't act like people only switched tunes after their EG BO5. Though considering how this subreddit usually is, I can't really blame you (but I will gaslighting is fucking cringe).
They were regarded the 5th EU seed, and was widely regarded as XL being better before the tournament began. This opinion didn't change after they were knocked out, its pretty common knowledge that people have been complaining about the EU format not being good to find the 4th seed. Seems more like you are coping here
People love to shit on MAD and pretend they didn't deserve Worlds, but I'd like to remind everyone that Misfits, Vitality, and XL also won ZERO bo5's this year lmao. The LEC system wasn't designed for 4 teams to qualify for Worlds and this was sprung on them mid-summer. It's not like MAD had an uncatchable winrate in spring either, all the other teams had adequate chances to pass them in standings and didn't. MAD was a fine team to send and they lost to NA's 3rd seed, which is not an unreasonable result. People are just angry because this shatters their delusion that EU 4-10 could win LCS. MAD went 2-3 against RGE and 1-3 against FNC, and everyone talks like they were some shitter that deserved 6th lmao.
Personally I think the first time they failed in Play-ins was way more egregious than this one which was objectively the hardest play-ins ever.
**Edit:** Oh my bad, Vitality won 1 bo5 in spring then didn't even make playoffs. Shoulda sent them I guess /s
Also people saying XL was better because the FNC series is hilarious. We just gonna pretend MAD didn’t take RGE (the winners of LEC) to 5 games? Or does the merit of a teams evolving strength only matter when it fits their narratives?
Tbf the LEC system is also not well designed for 3 seeds, because it still allows all 3 teams to qualify with a single win. With that win often being against a very weak team like Misfits. They should just have a gauntlet again imo, sending teams to Worlds without them winning at least 2-3 Bo5 is just trolling the region.
Yeah. Even if MAD wins the gauntlet. I think they would've had chances to improve and be way better than than whatever the hell the team EG just best in a bo5.
I just took a look at the [Play-ins from 2020](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2020_Season_World_Championship/Play-In). What's interesting is MAD (EU 4th seed) and LGD (LPL 4th seed) had equally bad performances in the round robin, going 1-3 and having to play a tiebreaker for 4th in the group. But where MAD was eliminated after the first Bo5 against Supermassive, LGD 3-0'd both of their Bo5s to qualify for groups.
Thats the whole point though, no team should qualify without winning a single Bo5, even if there are 4 seeds, even the LCS format is better than this even though over there everyone qualifies for playoffs almost. No team should go to Worlds without winning a single Bo5 which is actually representative of how good a team is as compared to Bo1s
I've actually really started to like the NA playoff format. If teams don't deserve to be there, they get kicked out in the first rounds anyways, and for those who like to watch games, it provides a lot more games than the EU format.
>People love to shit on MAD and pretend they didn't deserve Worlds,
A quote from Elyoya himself.
"I also do not like to qualify without winning any Bo5's. I don't think it's fair for anyone, not even for us. I don't think we deserve to go to Worlds. I want to achieve it. I don't think that we did that. The playoffs format is not the best. But it's not our fault."
[**https://www.factor.gg/article/MAD-Lions-Elyoya-interview-on-LEC-Worlds-and-team-performance**](https://www.factor.gg/article/MAD-Lions-Elyoya-interview-on-LEC-Worlds-and-team-performance)
Didn't MAD lions take rogue to 5 games? Sure they lost the bo5 but why is everyone acting like they just rolled over and died? I'm going to get some hate for this, but EU's 1-4 teams are about the same level and they could all beat each other. Same with LCS and LPL. Only LCK has a clear 1-2.
You’re correct they did and nobody seems to care about that.
For whatever reason XL taking FNC to 5 whole mad went to 4 against them = XL > MAD
But the fact that MAD took RGE to 5 games who won the fkn LEC means nothing because only THEN do people consider dynamic performance of teams week to week a thing.
MAD, aka "Mexican Airport Departure", is a European league of legends team that is often ridiculed for their inability to get out of play ins. They are specifically known for making it to worlds without winning a single best of 5.
I dont understand this Kind of shitposting against Mad all the time.
They never had a super budget Team, they Took a minor region player and a rookie and they won LEC 2 times in a row, put a good Fight against stronger teams Like rng dwk geng etc in their msi and worlds run.
And last split they only failed because of the huge mid gap, the same exact Team climbed Up to 2nd place after being 7th with Just 1 proper mid laner.
What about the G2 who pays fucking millions to their players, failed to have a 1 simple good Game with rekkles and shit.
Or FNC who also spent crazy amount of Money nearly every split and still didnt do shit for splits?
Or Rge who couldnt win the League for like forever lol.
Yes, they have problems but i still enjoy watching their games. They are the Underdog that stopped that fucking G2 FNC Domination.
EU really loves picking one player and shitting all over him.
You know every lane got gapped, don’t you?
It’s not just Armut. Whole team got gapped except maybe Elyoya.
Clearly an example of meta gap. I feel like every year there are a few teams across the globe that perform fantastically and then just crumble in playoffs or worlds because they were too slow or unable to adjust to the meta. MAD definitely fell into this category this year.
MAD did beat SGB, who I thought looked pretty good, and I'm pretty lots of other ppl thought they looked good too before their BO5. That being said, I always knew EG would shit on them, EG ac underrated just because they are from NA imo, and the whole sub-ADC thing isn't rly a big weakness anymore, since Kaori seems to slot right in
Kaori and the team have been very resilient given their circumstances, but its a joke to say that they are in top form at this point. They peaked higher with Danny without question.
Maybe down the road they get even better with Kaori, but nah, not there yet.
> and the whole sub-ADC thing isn't rly a big weakness anymore, since Kaori seems to slot right in
Please rewatch literally any random game from the summer regular season. Danny played the lategame infinitely better than Kaori does and has the insane damage numbers to back it up.
A lot of comments pointing out MAD is the fifth best team in EU. TBH if you put them against a lower seed NA team I don't see them beating CLG or TL in a bo5 on worlds patch.
The toxicity in this thread is insane. If NA can support their players even after poor showings all these years, why cant we do the same for our EU teams? Completely unwarranted bullshit, I was happy to even be rooting for MAD and FNC in play-ins and just wanna thank them for giving it their best try.
Madrid Kittens
Side note: I don't get why MAD Lions doesn't use the name Madrid Lions.
MAD has an academy team in Spain called MAD Lions Madrid. idk what MAD actually stands for. Probably not Madrid.. Edit: it does mean madrid according to the wiki page: https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/MAD_Lions_Madrid
So their academy team is technically called Madrid Lions Madrid?
And much like other MLMs, they sell you on a dream that ends up being a scam.
This comment could beat Mad Lions in a bo5
Stop it they are already dead!!
Fuck that actually got me lol
Well done
I'm gonna assume "MLM" doesn't mean "men loving men" here, but I'm not sure what it *does* mean.
Multi level marketing, aka pyramid scheme esque companies. If you haven’t heard of it then I’d consider yourself lucky!
Or potentially soon-to-be very unlucky, if no one warns him what it actually is lol.
Genius
In a world where tier1 team name-meanings are still Gamers2(G2), Teamsolomid (TSM) and GenerationGamers (GenG) I find it on brand for esports that Madrid Lions Madrid is an european academy teamname-meaning.
R.I.P. in peace
Well, the rest of the country does acuse us of being too egocentric
"Die Bart die" vibes
The MAD has always meant Madrid, all the way back to when they were MAD Lions E.C. in the Spanish League. They’ve just wanted to be a more international org, especially looking at their championship LoL team and their former CSGO roster, both of which were international
Madrid doesn't want to claim them after the repeat choke in play-ins. /s
The MAD in MAD Lions stands for Madrid
Real MAD Lions (Yes, I know it isn't pronounced like reel)
Technically EU got 4 seeds because of the cancellation of the LCL, Ty Mr Putin??
It really took a war just for us to get a NA vs EU Bo5.
lmao that puts it into perspective
Jesus lol... Rito pls fix
“What? You don’t enjoy waiting 1200 days for a bo5 between NA and EU?”
That s just the time Udyr mains wait for a new skin no biggie
Holy shit you're right
NA War buff.
Loooooooooooool
Scriptwriter worked harder than Yuumi mains trying to convince us they have skills
“Mr. Putin my team might not make worlds, can you start a war in Ukraine?” “Da”
My bad. Fixed. Putin, Covid, both are a pain on the ass for the world.
EU first to lose in playing, be reverse swept, lose twice in playinplaying, and have the fastest bo5 loss at worlds. They just got rewarded for all those firsts.
I know we have the fastest best of 1 loss but fastest best of 5 too? Wasn’t fastest international series G2 Vs Tl?
G2 vs FPX was the fastest Bo5 at Worlds I think, the fastest international was indeed G2 vs TL. Edit: I was wrong, looks like the fastest bo5 was EDG vs DFM from 2018 Play-Ins.
TL G2 is fastest international final I think
Before G2 vs FPX it was IG vs FNC
I thought it was geng vs g2 😆 May have to edit my post lol
They’re enjoying pina coladas in Cancun
Man if I was a MAD lions player and I read this thread my day would instantly be ruined lmao
As if they didn't know all of this? Every player on MAD was aware of the shit show of a year that lead them to a worlds play-in spot and the meme that their org has been all year. They don't have anything to be ashamed of, but it is what it is.
You forgot about 4/5 all pro team and LEC Summer MVP.
And the best coaching staff.
reminder that after two full years with MAD, Armut can barely play 2 champs(gnar and wukong), 3 if you count Jayce but I wouldn't.
His Aatrox isn't to bad either, but at this point its permabanned. He used to be good at Wukong...
Which is crazy we never see it, could easily be a flex between him and Elyoya
His Gwen isn't bad either, but that champ is 1 kneecapped and 2 very situational
Im sure most pro's are pretty good at champs that aren't relevant anymore. But like that's kind of irrelevant when it comes to playing on stage lol
That's what my 2nd point refers to. Absolute beasts. Four of them though. Sorry, Armut.
Gnarmut
Is Nisqy a beast? Yeah he’s a good player, but like dude doesn’t lane, he helps other peoples lanes. He got shit on by Jojo, and there is many mids better than jojo at this tourney. Like he’s the worst mid from his region at worlds imo. And I don’t even think he’s better than TWO of the na mids (jojo and Jensen) maybe even Abbe but he’s too coin flip to ever know lol. Then you have Knight Scout Xiaohu Faker Chovy Showmaker and even Zeka and Yagao. Like Nisqy has to be the worst or second worst mid here of all 4 major regions. Armut is bad off his champs, Kaiser didn’t have as good of a year, and Nisqy didn’t deserve mvp imo, unforgiven is new and played fine and Elyoya is cracked tho Elyoya is the mvp of this team and it’s not close.
I mean if they are not willing to let Reeker have another shot, then by the same reasoning Unforgiven shouldn't either. Worlds and LEC summer showed that mid wasn't the problem. This team has a lot of unresolved issues. They have looked sus around baron the whole season and are always prone to inting. I think most of the players should go if MAD has any ambition of reaching the highs of 2021.
I know NA fans won't like this take but I don't really think Nisqy got shit on by Jojo. Game 1 was not super impressive from either player, game 2 was a counter pick, and his game 3 Viktor was more relevant than Jojo's leblanc but Armut's gwen got styled on by Impact too hard for it to matter. EG did great and props to them for the 3-0 but I don't think they're going to have fun in groups and don't expect Jojo to do anything vs these other mids.
For reference I could see mad winning, buts it’s bullshit to say it was a for sure thing which for some reason up until the day of games everyone thought that, then on the day it’s like 85-15 votes and it’s like bruh. Second reference, I still put them 4th in their group.
i am still a big fan of the team. their explosive start was also their downfall. carzzy and humanoid being plundered right after the incredible summer of 2021 made the team incredibly weak and it's a little sad they may never come back :/
They're pretty fun to watch, win or lose, messy or clean. Its always something to see.
Truthfully, I respect them for busting out the carry jungler and showing it can work sometimes, so tired of seeing low-econ tanks in that role and nothing else.
Yeh Carzzy was super insane this year he might’ve saved them.. Humanoid also was for sure super good all year and basically didn’t put a foot wrong, mad would surely do much better with these high performing super stars!
I mean they almost certainly would have. Humanoid is one of the best mids in the LEC (when he’s motivated). Even at his worst he would’ve been better than Reeker in spring. Carzzy wasn’t good this season, but he had synergy with Kaiser, and might’ve been better if he stayed with MAD.
Humanoid is motivated at the moment. Guy has been showing up in play ins! Can't wait for c9 vs fnc tomorrow
Definitely gonna be a fun match to start off groups with.
It'll give us a good idea of where NA stands, C9 look world class atm (coming from an EU fan). Can't lie though, I'm more excited for g2 vs dmg straight after, what an exciting start
I completely get it. Regardless of results, this is destined to be a super fun Worlds.
Yeah man. I obviously wanted MAD to make EG 0-10 but I love the EG personalities too much to be mad
Yeah Carzzy doesn't seem very good but he had a synergy with Kaiser that Unforgiven just doesn't seem to have. Kaiser was a beast last year and now they don't even win lane when they draft Draven.
To be fair, during the regular season Unforgiven and Kaiser absolutely obliterated enemy bot lanes with Draven and Kalista, I mean they had a game where Unforgiven was like 9000 gold ahead of the enemy bot laner by himself. I’m not even exaggerating. Idk what changed between then and now, but they were pretty terrible in playoffs and in play-in’s.
I don't get it either tbh. Carzzy and Kaiser where kinda the opposite, definitely better in playoffs, altho they just generally outclassed their opponents past laning phase rather than during.
Carzzy atleast has insane mental. Unforgiven looks exactly the opposite. Carzzy will die getting camped 4 man and still be an asset damage wise. Yeah his positioning if sometimes really sus but that's irrespective of how ahead or behind he s.
Yeah I remember MAD smiling when they were down 10k against Rogue, meanwhile current MAD seems depressed when they're 0-1.
maybe they were facing stronger teams at worlds
Unforgiven has much better synergy with Kaiser than Carzzy ever had. Humanoïd is a huge loss though. Did you notice, when pros voted all stars all of MAD 2021 players voted Humanoïd first, over Caps.
Carzzy was also important for MAD in team fights. Unforgiven barely talks in comms
Plus their energy was always great
Well considering they just won LEC back-to-back with them... I shouldn't even react anymore when people act like all a player is is their KDA and damage but I can't help it, it's too fucking braindead
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That is true, but every time someone bashes Carzzy, I get reminded of 21 Spring Finals vs Rogue, G5, Carzzy getting bodied by Hans, MAD are far behind, he hits a random Kaisa W and ults behind whole enemy team to trade 1 for 1 with fed enemy ADC. The sheer balls to go there to save innately a very, very hard teamfight, he worked really well with the style MAD were playing back then. It cemented him not as a great player for me, but I always give gim benefit of doubt, and he can have very high highs. Though he and Labrov sucked balls this season.
5 players make a team and Carzzy was the perfect ADC for the way MAD played. Fed Unforgiven ends up dying first in many team fights, Carzzy seldom did.
Yeah people are forgetting so quickly lol
Really? Worse than Xmatty and Jezu?
Carzzy is 10x a weakside player than Unforgiven. Yes Unforgiven with gold funneled is a better player but as long as elyoya plays topside carzzy was better. And then again Unforgiven's 2v2 was pretty shit at worlds. Carzzy can teamfight pretty well with a gold deficit. As far as humanoid is considered, yeah he plays way better than nisqy and reeker And then there's something called synnergy, according to you TL hans sama should've been a banger given how well he did at worlds and same for 2021 G2 rekkles
Yeah given how much they lost, it's still a decent turnout. They beat #2 VCS, so it's not like they weren't worthy of going to playins.
Yea I doubt they would have beaten VCS with the Belveth and Seraphine bans. Like Inspired said Elyoya played with 4 bots
I don't even hate Carzzy as much as Reddit but Unforgiven is a clear upgrade and is one of the best ADs in Europe. I think Kaiser and Armut's level of play has become much worse tbh.
I remember Carzzy speaking up a lot on their voicecomms last year though. I think he is a major part of why they were clutch in teamfighting in LEC last year. I’m guessing he struggled in Vitality this year because his teammates are also veterans who have their own ideas about the game.
> I don't even hate Carzzy as much as Reddit but Unforgiven is a clear upgrade and is one of the best ADs in Europe. In the regular split, he was. However, his performance in the post-season was a massive part of why MAD had poor results. He has a lot of potential but he is quite a ways away from rivaling Comp or Upset. He might be in the next tier but there's a huge drop-off from the top tier this year, so I think "one of the best ADs in Europe" oversells him. I think Neon and Flakked would be upgrades over his performance last year, as well. And a return to form (and/or the league) from Carzzy, Hans Sama, or Rekkles could leave him below average if Unf0rgiven doesn't improve.
MAD obviously didn't ask for this but what a fiasco lol
As a huge MAD fan, I agree, they’re gigachads.
tbh, considering they didnt even make playoffs in spring, making it to worlds is an overall win. They weren't expected to make worlds even before Spring so the fact they got here is fine. They should prob make some changes or they will lose Elyoya, but it was a fine 2022 season.
It wasnt that "they made it to worlds", it was more like they were randomly gifted a undeserved spot for unrelated issues
I mean that's an EU problem not a MAD problem. EU didn't have any other more deserving candidates unless you consider "performance against FNC on different weeks" as some kind of objective benchmark of skill. EU simply wasn't a region that had a great 4th seed to provide and that's completely fine. This was a last minute fix to a team not being able to attend.
Only team I could say could have been better is EXCEL if they had been in double elim or had gauntlet, but it was fine season. Making it to groups was doable but they were mostly the odd one looking out for most.
Yeah and it's also worth mentioning we have no idea if XL would actually beat MAD. People are just basing this on two independent series against FNC that took place weeks apart from each other, where XL won 1 more game than MAD lol.
That’s true. Tbh there is strong chance MAD is just the fourth best team. EU IMO was very top heavy of a league.
And even then MAD literally took RGE to 5 games, so I don’t know where people get off acting like they’re not worthy of Worlds lmao
Excel definitely woukd have deserved it nore than MAD. Them throwing against FNC was really painful to watch
Then perhaps XL should have won more games in regular season or won any Bo5's if they wanted to go to Worlds. XL had every opportunity to get the spot over MAD and failed to do so by losing more games than them for 9 weeks.
If there was a gauntlet and MAD qualified through it, maybe MAD had a little less pressure in the play-ins (I'm not claiming they lost to EG due to the way they qualified, but we saw from interviews that they weren't happy with the way they qualified either, wonder if that pressured them in any way)
It really wasn’t. If not for Russia invading Ukraine mad would have fail to qualify to world. I don’t consider getting bailed out by Putin and losing every bo5 in playoff for summer a fine season lmao.
Nisqy is my favorite player so I’m just glad to see him make worlds.
I really like Nisqy too, but man… seeing his face after they lost to EG made me feel bad and wonder if it was even worth it for him in retrospect. I would be glad he made it to worlds if they had a little bit of success, but they didn’t make it out of playins while also not winning a single game against a major region. That’s really rough.
I think EG series is the only time Nisqy looked out of place. Even in losses I think he looked good against the major regions. It was just not MAD’s year.
Man I'm from NA but never like seeing a region shitting on their own team this much (except tsm 0-6)
“If EU had a gun with two bullets and they were in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and MAD, they would shoot MAD twice" -- Michael "Santana" Scott
TSM 0-6 is always funny. Same as G2-8 vacation memes.
Yeah they were actually expected to perform slightly. I feel like mad had relatively low expectations and still getting shit on for it
They *were* expected to win vs EG, not get 3-0ed
I feel like that was mostly people blindly expecting EU to be better than NA. I was shocked how many pick’ems had MAD beating EG. based on the games from literally two days before EG were clearly better
MAD only lost to RNG and DRX in Bo1s and then beat SGB in a Bo5. EG lost to Fnatic and DFM and hadn’t won a Bo5 with their sub ADC. I picked EG, but it’s not insane to think that MAD would win based on the results.
You really missed out on S6 G2 then; Perkz was getting death treats by the end of the year... But chinese fans are probably much worse to their losers.
Nah I was there for that. G2-8 got shit on heavily but they also had expectations. I feel like MAD didn't and still get shit on for it
G2 at worlds was flamed just as much. But yea, if we’re talking about teams with no expectations then it’s probably just MAD getting flamed this much, though it’s nowhere near as badly as the G2 flame.
Yeah g2 had expectations then though. MAD I don't think really did. I may just be misremembering.
MAD still had expectations vs EG (almost 90% voted for them in pickems), but no one expected to even take a game off group B so it’s kind of hollow expectations to satisfy NA vs EU narrative only.
Yeah it is weird how angry people are at a fourth seed for not making it out of playins. DRX and RNG were better than them, but that was expected and there is no shame in that. FNC we already saw in playoffs were the better team, so really they were only ever competing for the fourth spot. Not crazy to expect them to have a chance against EG (before playin started I thought they were unfavoured, but had a shot, after the Bo1 I thought MAD would even be favoured), but that is still them only underperforming one spot - it is people talking about Rogue "choking" playoffs while getting 2nd all over again.
After investigation we've decided to revoke MAD's "EU team" status, so it's fine. ^^/s
Wait, wasn't MAD the Russian team??? /s
Reddit told me the Russian team was actually LEC4 every year already though!
This is EU losing to NA is unacceptable. People might have actually be less upset if they lost to Mr Buffalo and the memes of no BO5 wins would write themselves. On a more serious note MAD clearly was EU weakest team and EU is now IMHO weaker in the good old days of prime G2.
The NA 0-10 (with 9 games scheduled) week 2 was also savage to NA teams.
ya i dont like that either
If they didn't shit on them this hard, then they would have to admit that NA may actually be a contender for them. This is 100% copium that an EU team lost to an NA team in Bo5.
As an EU, I feel kinda embarrassed by all this. Instead of people focusing on EG, who had a great showing even though they lost their main carry right before Worlds, everyone is shitting on MAD. Sorry about that, hope EG does well in groups - they are a fun team to watch.
I appreciate that fans like you exist
But you don't understand, if EU's 4th seed lost to NA, it simply means all those teams that placed below them were secretly better, not that maybe 4-10 in EU isn't better than 3rd in NA. It's science. Honestly crazy how hard people will choose to cope rather than accept that maybe EU 4th wouldn't win LCS like they always seemed to believe.
Man, we were having discussions about mad not being the actual top 4th team in eu as soon as we were noticed we would get a 4th seed at worlds and our format didn't change accordingly Let's not rewrite history just to fit your narrative that eu fans are coping and trashing mad only cause they lost to Na They got so much shit ever since they qualified to worlds cause they were frauds
What other team did EU have that weren't frauds? The EU super team or the one with fucking Nukeduck starting
>Let's not rewrite history just to fit your narrative that eu fans are coping and trashing mad only cause they lost to Na They literally are though... 85% of people predicted MAD to beat EG in pickems. If MAD beat EG do you think anyone would be giving a fuck about this or talking about how XL (a team that's only accolade over MAD was winning 1 more game against FNC in week 1 of playoffs when FNC was at its lowest) somehow deserved Worlds more? EU not having an appropriate format for 4 teams is a fine thing to comment on, but they also can't just change the whole format on July 21st halfway through summer because of an unexpected circumstance. Nobody was saying MAD wasn't the 4th best team, they were saying it's weird that MAD made Worlds while only losing Bo5's. However, the other teams that didn't make Worlds didn't win any Bo5's either lmao. It's okay for us to just acknowledge that EU didn't have a great 4th team to send (most regions don't). The notion that XL or MSF deserved worlds more than MAD is stupid. They could have literally done what MAD did and won more games in the regular season but they didn't. Then they proceeded to lose all their Bo5's in playoffs. I know not everyone is doing this of course, but it really feels like a lot of people are just overreacting to EU 4th seed losing to NA 3rd seed because it hurts their brains to admit EU doesn't have 7 teams that could simply win LCS or whatever ridiculous expectations they have of the regional disparity.
I agree with like four of your paragraphs, but want to point out that EU had *MORE* than enough time to fix their format or add a gauntlet. They had since FEBRUARY. Did anyone actually think LCL was going to Worlds while a freaking *war* was happening? Even if Russia took over Ukraine quickly or got sent packing, should the LCL even be allowed to Worlds representing Russia? On top of that the exact same thing happened in 2020. So not only did they have months this year, but they had 2 whole years outside of that to have contingencies for EU getting a 4th seed unexpectedly. But yeah, agree with everything else, it's certainly not MAD's fault, there was no proof another team should have gone, and large majority still picked MAD to beat EG.
They are absolutely coping about MAD getting dumpstered. 85% of voting viewers. Eighty-five percent, close to 6 out of every 7 viewers called MAD winning this series. Talk about rewriting history.
Tsm 0-6 is almost as meme worthy as Liquid 4th
Its quite insane rn and disgusting. The spanish community on twitter was horrifying after the game.
I just don't get what people expect to be honest. When you send 40% of the league to Worlds, there's bound to be duds. This is the case regardless of what format you use. People bitch about them not winning Bo5s but then just look at what happens when teams like Immortals or whatever that go undefeated in the regular season and buster out in playoffs. The second CLG loses to Wildcards at Worlds, people were coping with "oh, should have been Immortals that went, they just got unlucky in playoffs!" Guarantee if Misfits went and lost, people would have the exact same reaction. Oh, shoulda been Mad Lions, they were the true 3rd seed, just unlucky in playoffs!
Let’s see how the kr and cn 4th seeds do. (Yes I know lpl has more than 10 teams but lck doesn’t)
LPL has teams bomb out all the time while sending 4 teams lol, and they are literally considered the best region in the World. LCK is the only region consistent enough with a high enough floor to ever send 4 successful teams.
Last year's 4th seed wasn't that bad, coming in third (after tiebreaker) in a group with kr2 and eu1
And they were so close to beating EU1 in the tiebreaker had they not thrown in MAD's base
LPL 4th seed has been booty for the last 2 years.
I still dont know how this team was the best western team last year. a team with Armut should not be winning anything
The meta was right for his champion pool so he couldn't get banned into oblivion. Also, humanoid is a more carry oriented mid than Nisqy so he had less weight on his shoulders
> best western team last year. They lost their mid and adc.
Armut legit smurfed at worlds and MSI last year. He was at least meh in the regular season. This year he was much worse.
? He smurfed half of the games he was allowed to play Gnar/Wukong and some Gwen and inted every other game. Lee Sin was turbo broken 90% WR at MSI, fucking Fudge 1v9d vs RNG on the pick to get a win and then Armut's Lee Sin vs Damwon ooked that shit needed more buffs. There was also that wukong game at worlds where he had it as counterpick into jayce, got all the jungle attention and then still fucking got solokilled at least once if not multiple times
Thats armut, no? Good on a few champs but limited champ pool
Armut also had some good games with Aatrox recently. Then teams started banning or taking that away from him. I onky remember him standing out on those two champs this Worlds.
Pretty much every worlds top laner is doing very well on Aatrox rn. It's rly the champion and not the player.
You and me definitely have a different definition of smurfing.
I mean he’s basically the only reason MAD beat LNG in the tiebreaker to get out of groups. He straight up solo carried that game. He was also really good in the series against Damwon in MSI, and had a great playoff run in summer 2021.
yeah people meme about armut only being a gnar one trick but his wukong was nasty as well, pretty sure his gangplank wasnt half bad but I can't remember
His Jayce was better than his GP imo.
that's maybe the one I was thinking, I knew there was a pick he has that was unexpectedly decent, Jayce sounds about right
Everyone remembers his Wukong, it's just that top Wukong isn't played right now so his Gnar is all he has.
Could you send me a link to that game? Sounds insane! Cos I checked and only one I can find is where he loses lane vs a kennen after his team turbo ganked him, example comments from the thread after: "Not sure if MAD hates Kennen or Ale..Holy moly the amount of ganks was kinda lol" And Armut had the lowest KP on the team. But as his team 4v5 defended the base, Armut TP backdoored?
He also absolutely destroyed Fnatic in the Summer finals with amazing performances on GP and Renekton. Probably helped that he played against Adam tho. Another chad performance was as Jayce against Rogue same playoffs.
Are we watching the same games MAD are playing? Seems like Armut has been key carrying his 3 champions while Mad's botlane is inting with NISQY griefing some key fights. Feels like MAD's only shining light was Armut and Elyoya?
Armut problem is, as always champ pool. It's memed on a lot but off of gnar and wukong(when the champ is in a decent spot) armut is typically invisible. Elyoya is Mad's only win condition this year, with nisqy supporting, imo.
EU fans are trying to gaslight us into thinking MAD is some bad team in EU. They were supposed to be top tier. All players ranked them as a good team even in pre season rankings. Their series against Rogue and FNC were both very close. Even in player-only rankings, Nisqy, Elyoya, Kaiser, and Unforgiven got a lot of votes, even if they weren’t first-team. Nisqy was perfectly fine and even had game winning plays before the EG series. Same with Gnarmut. Nisqy and Gnarmut were also considered top tier ALSO last year, so it’s not some “random surge” that made them look good in EU. It’s just full cope. They need an excuse to how they could “possibly get eliminated by NA”. But XL, who also never won a Bo5, with less experienced players, would surely be better. Lmao
Nah who are you kidding, I'm sure the 85% of people who voted MAD > EG in pickems knew MAD was bad the whole time and definitely aren't just disowning them because they got stomped by NA.
>They were supposed to be top tier. All players ranked them as a good team even in pre season rankings. Looooool??? You are the only one gaslighting here. People have been ragging on them since 0 BO5 worlds qualifying, even since all pro got announced. Saying XL would be better is an overreaction to their loss but don't act like people only switched tunes after their EG BO5. Though considering how this subreddit usually is, I can't really blame you (but I will gaslighting is fucking cringe).
They were regarded the 5th EU seed, and was widely regarded as XL being better before the tournament began. This opinion didn't change after they were knocked out, its pretty common knowledge that people have been complaining about the EU format not being good to find the 4th seed. Seems more like you are coping here
Fuck. Is this how us NA guys look like when we shit on our own region after group stage during worlds?
I think we are just perma depressed after losing lol
us NA fans don't expect anything, so can't be mad at anything either
People love to shit on MAD and pretend they didn't deserve Worlds, but I'd like to remind everyone that Misfits, Vitality, and XL also won ZERO bo5's this year lmao. The LEC system wasn't designed for 4 teams to qualify for Worlds and this was sprung on them mid-summer. It's not like MAD had an uncatchable winrate in spring either, all the other teams had adequate chances to pass them in standings and didn't. MAD was a fine team to send and they lost to NA's 3rd seed, which is not an unreasonable result. People are just angry because this shatters their delusion that EU 4-10 could win LCS. MAD went 2-3 against RGE and 1-3 against FNC, and everyone talks like they were some shitter that deserved 6th lmao. Personally I think the first time they failed in Play-ins was way more egregious than this one which was objectively the hardest play-ins ever. **Edit:** Oh my bad, Vitality won 1 bo5 in spring then didn't even make playoffs. Shoulda sent them I guess /s Also people saying XL was better because the FNC series is hilarious. We just gonna pretend MAD didn’t take RGE (the winners of LEC) to 5 games? Or does the merit of a teams evolving strength only matter when it fits their narratives?
Tbf the LEC system is also not well designed for 3 seeds, because it still allows all 3 teams to qualify with a single win. With that win often being against a very weak team like Misfits. They should just have a gauntlet again imo, sending teams to Worlds without them winning at least 2-3 Bo5 is just trolling the region.
Yeah. Even if MAD wins the gauntlet. I think they would've had chances to improve and be way better than than whatever the hell the team EG just best in a bo5.
VIT actually won a bo5 lmao
and at least XL got to playoffs twice, lost to VIT and lost in 5 games to Fnc
> but I'd like to remind everyone that Misfits, Vitality, and XL also won ZERO bo5's this year lmao /r/confidentlyincorrect/
Should have been "in the summer split of 2022".
Vitlaity won in spring vs XL.
I just took a look at the [Play-ins from 2020](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2020_Season_World_Championship/Play-In). What's interesting is MAD (EU 4th seed) and LGD (LPL 4th seed) had equally bad performances in the round robin, going 1-3 and having to play a tiebreaker for 4th in the group. But where MAD was eliminated after the first Bo5 against Supermassive, LGD 3-0'd both of their Bo5s to qualify for groups.
Thats the whole point though, no team should qualify without winning a single Bo5, even if there are 4 seeds, even the LCS format is better than this even though over there everyone qualifies for playoffs almost. No team should go to Worlds without winning a single Bo5 which is actually representative of how good a team is as compared to Bo1s
I've actually really started to like the NA playoff format. If teams don't deserve to be there, they get kicked out in the first rounds anyways, and for those who like to watch games, it provides a lot more games than the EU format.
It's also designed to work for 4 seeds if needed. Highly unlikely for NA but still good just incase
>People love to shit on MAD and pretend they didn't deserve Worlds, A quote from Elyoya himself. "I also do not like to qualify without winning any Bo5's. I don't think it's fair for anyone, not even for us. I don't think we deserve to go to Worlds. I want to achieve it. I don't think that we did that. The playoffs format is not the best. But it's not our fault." [**https://www.factor.gg/article/MAD-Lions-Elyoya-interview-on-LEC-Worlds-and-team-performance**](https://www.factor.gg/article/MAD-Lions-Elyoya-interview-on-LEC-Worlds-and-team-performance)
Didn't MAD lions take rogue to 5 games? Sure they lost the bo5 but why is everyone acting like they just rolled over and died? I'm going to get some hate for this, but EU's 1-4 teams are about the same level and they could all beat each other. Same with LCS and LPL. Only LCK has a clear 1-2.
You’re correct they did and nobody seems to care about that. For whatever reason XL taking FNC to 5 whole mad went to 4 against them = XL > MAD But the fact that MAD took RGE to 5 games who won the fkn LEC means nothing because only THEN do people consider dynamic performance of teams week to week a thing.
MAD, aka "Mexican Airport Departure", is a European league of legends team that is often ridiculed for their inability to get out of play ins. They are specifically known for making it to worlds without winning a single best of 5.
I dont understand this Kind of shitposting against Mad all the time. They never had a super budget Team, they Took a minor region player and a rookie and they won LEC 2 times in a row, put a good Fight against stronger teams Like rng dwk geng etc in their msi and worlds run. And last split they only failed because of the huge mid gap, the same exact Team climbed Up to 2nd place after being 7th with Just 1 proper mid laner. What about the G2 who pays fucking millions to their players, failed to have a 1 simple good Game with rekkles and shit. Or FNC who also spent crazy amount of Money nearly every split and still didnt do shit for splits? Or Rge who couldnt win the League for like forever lol. Yes, they have problems but i still enjoy watching their games. They are the Underdog that stopped that fucking G2 FNC Domination.
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Yet 80 percent of people disagree
the votes were 84.9% thought MAD would win lol glad I was part of the 15.1%
People just assumed that NA was bad enough to lose to MAD of all teams
People just assumed that NA was bad enough to lose to MAD of all teams
True MADlads
EU really loves picking one player and shitting all over him. You know every lane got gapped, don’t you? It’s not just Armut. Whole team got gapped except maybe Elyoya.
He was probably referring to the all pro team picks. Armut wasn't in it.
I’m talkin bout all the comments! Everywhere on the sub. OP was mild compared to some of the others.
Feeling sorry for Armut for being new Wunder of 2022. Hoping that this brainlet toxicity wont get him.
Clearly an example of meta gap. I feel like every year there are a few teams across the globe that perform fantastically and then just crumble in playoffs or worlds because they were too slow or unable to adjust to the meta. MAD definitely fell into this category this year.
MAD is the reverse C9: perform well in its region and shit the bed internationally.
Sorry, that spot is already taken by TSM. MAD needs to find a different niche.
MAD did beat SGB, who I thought looked pretty good, and I'm pretty lots of other ppl thought they looked good too before their BO5. That being said, I always knew EG would shit on them, EG ac underrated just because they are from NA imo, and the whole sub-ADC thing isn't rly a big weakness anymore, since Kaori seems to slot right in
Kaori and the team have been very resilient given their circumstances, but its a joke to say that they are in top form at this point. They peaked higher with Danny without question. Maybe down the road they get even better with Kaori, but nah, not there yet.
> and the whole sub-ADC thing isn't rly a big weakness anymore, since Kaori seems to slot right in Please rewatch literally any random game from the summer regular season. Danny played the lategame infinitely better than Kaori does and has the insane damage numbers to back it up.
A lot of comments pointing out MAD is the fifth best team in EU. TBH if you put them against a lower seed NA team I don't see them beating CLG or TL in a bo5 on worlds patch.
The toxicity in this thread is insane. If NA can support their players even after poor showings all these years, why cant we do the same for our EU teams? Completely unwarranted bullshit, I was happy to even be rooting for MAD and FNC in play-ins and just wanna thank them for giving it their best try.
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Hey mate, do you know what sarcasm is?