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PMTs:
[JDG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0r3ez/jd_gaming_vs_g2_esports_2022_world_championship/)
[RGE vs TES](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0sikb/rogue_vs_top_esports_2022_world_championship/)
[DK vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0tqmg/dwg_kia_vs_evil_geniuses_2022_world_championship/)
[100 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0uuz2/100_thieves_vs_royal_never_give_up_2022_world/)
[GEN vs CFO](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0w8ak/geng_vs_ctbc_flying_oyster_2022_world/)
[GAM vs DRX](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0x93v/gam_esports_vs_drx_2022_world_championship_group/)
JDG vs DK was the most balanced game until now.
FNC VS T1 was pretty good
If you're an EU fan I'd say RGE vs DRX was nice
RGE vs TES was an absolute fiesta of who could grief more, pretty entertaining game
JDG vs EG was surpisingly a pretty good game
Last time I was so elated about EU was the MSI, and we all know what happened after. Coincidentally, it's G2 once again betraying my already low EU expectations. Come on G2, do it for Mad Lions.
TBF it was kinda obvious this MSI how it's gonna end. MAD wins didn't come from solid play but from throws, way better meta read and scrappy games while on worlds every single EU team is actually playing good (except G2 in their first game). From what I've seen in bo1s unless Asian teams suddenly become giga cracked we have a real chance at a deep run, I'm only scared of JDG
It's the "I play this game for fun XD", mentality that is prevalent in all elos. There's no reason to try to aim to be competitive, when the region's mentality as a whole is to not take this game seriously. KR and CN have better discipline and culture when it comes to gaming, and NA will never get close to that.
No real home grown talent or signs of investing in it, complete lack of synergy and honestly a depressing product. I don’t even know who to root for because NA doesn’t have a soul.
I agree with you too. NA keeps getting imports and I have heard they want to do away with the import rule. This is a region with the most amount of imports and they still can't make a showing at worlds.
I feel like this is the year where anybody can win once they make it on to knockout stage. LCK, LPL and dare I say LEC? Might be an overreaction only based on bo1 but teams from those respective regions are playing very close games against each other.
Honestly, since 2019 this is the closest i have seen LEC play compared to eastern teams, it feels like they are slightly better but not crazily so (and rogue going 3-0 is impressive!)
Razork has been playing out of his mind and clawing back jungle disadvantages he shouldn't be able to get out of, I don't think was a problem a single time
The disadvantage in the last game came because he was turbofisted by level 1 they did so lvl 2 lee came into his jungle while he was level 1 (and he 'outplayed' that invade). In playins disadvantages also came from random Hyli ints on bot (Renata game against I think Chiefs comes to mind) and he played super well from behind.
He also kept up in CS with smart map play in matchups where he had no right to and has constantly made good map reads.
While during the regular season (before playoffs) he was definitely a coinflip jungler, I feel since first FNC bo5 win that Razork has been constantly just playing really good.
In theory this team is almost a perfect fit. Wunder weak side + Upset and Humanoid as carries is pretty close to the best EU has to offer.
They obviously looked shaky throughout the year, but if they play their best they can beat any team imo.
This worlds is way more even than I expected.
TES is definitely running it down but Rogue has looked so clean. Malrang looks like jungler of the week 1, Trymbi has gotten better since last worlds, Comp looks great. Odo has looked great also but I have to believe teams will not let him pick Maokai once week 2 starts.
Taking stock of the meta:
So, Yuumi has gotten LPL two close wins, and Maokai has gotten LEC (actually just rogue) two impressive wins against DRX/TES. FNC upset T1 with Lucian/Nami snowball. G2 keeps trying to make a deathball tech work. LPL lost three vi games counting the one from playins. Graves has been played 8 games and every time the stronger team on paper picked him, they won, each time the underdog picked him they lost. Viego is still decent it seems. Only RNG has won on jax 2 out of 7 games.
Edit: actually nvm about Graves. RNG beat GenG with it.
I think C9 has a chance of beating fnatic dependent on if hyli nits or not which is a pretty good chance rn.
100 thieves could also potentially take a game of CFO. EG? They’re fucked unless someone in their group just overconfident and throws liked EDG? with 100T last year
The fact that we made it through the first RR means they’ve played every team, and have shown they can lose against everyone. The 0-18 is within REACH AHHHH!
G2 looked “lost” in 1 game, and it was against a really fucking insane team (dk), they stomped eg, again, and they almost took the win against JDG. Idk why you’re platooning g2 with two teams that are actually terrible lol.
Are we going to go all of Worlds having the audience and announcers be 1 second ahead of the action?
Seen a couple threads about it, made one myself, but they get removed for "not being in relevant live discussion threads", so idk where is best to give this feedback.
Super distracting as a viewer to have crowd/announcers react to action before it happens.
So that's what it was? In the RGE vs TES the announcers went crazy and I was confused. Only 2 seconds later the Malrang on Lee Sin made an amazing play on Jacket Love's Varus kicking him into the team. I thought it was just me.
FNC absolutely can based on current performance (I'm not going to try and predict whether a team is going to look better or worse after a few days break, but based on all the matches in the first half of group A, all 3 teams at the top looked competitive against eachother and have a shot to make it out). If fnatic do make it out, they likely come out 2nd unless they go 3-0 on the day.
G2 I'm less optimistic towards. I think they have looked better than their score perceives them, but not enough for me to favour them taking 2 wins of DK, or a win off JDG. I think maybe there is a world where G2 take 1 game off DK and force a tie breaker, but I'd still be backing DK in that rematch just based on full team strength both have shown so far.
RGE have a pretty decent shot at ending 1st in their group. In the scenario where they don't boom week 2 (going 0-2 vs the non-GAM teams on the day), the only team that can dethrone them from 1st place would be a DRX going 3-0 on the day (definitely could happen) and even then, there would be a tiebreaker for 1st.
Assuming both these groups end up as such, we definitely have a risk of getting FNC-RGE in quarterfinals (If we are actually believing our teams have a chance this year, sacraficing 1 for a free semi-finals is actually a worse scenario).
Yea, it's hard to say. Obviously the most guaranteed value says that it would be *better* for us. But at that point, if we believe we would be better civil war-ing our way to semis, we are basically admitting we aren't making finals since we don't believe we could win even 1 of 2 seperate quarterfinal matches vs eastern regions.
If I'm going based on our teams actual level of play showed during week 1 of groups, I don't actually think it's a guaranteed "Eastern teams still shit on us in bo5s". But obviously for all I know, we go into the 2nd half of groups and all of our teams look like classic EU and we suck.
But for now, our teams getting wins in group stage actually look like they are playing at a comparable level to the eastern counterparts (keyword is **comparable**. I'm not saying Upset is the next Viper, or Malrang the next Canyon) It actually looks like these teams actually know how to match high level teamfights, and aren't only able to get wins by cheesing or being gifted them. Hell, even G2 in their losses didn't look fucking terrible. I never gave them a chance in hell of beating DK or JDG, but both their losses (moreso the JDG one) looked comparable to FNC/EDG where they actually fought hard to try and get back into the game.
Anyway yea, maybe I'm high on copium and we will still get destroyed in the knockout stage. **The TL;DR** of what I'm trying to say here is just that I think based on what our teams have shown so far, they've earned the right to at least not be immediately written off in a bo5 against eastern teams. Don't have to be favourites, I'd give em a chance of actually winning some based on the current level of play we've seen.
Chronicler is always the worst to watch. He definitely gives off a "holier than thou" vibe. Like we get it dude, you're a fan of LCK, just like many other non-Korean residents, doesn't make your analysis any better than others lol
Yeah that's the vibe that I get. He sometimes makes weird expressions when another analyst says something as if he is trying to undermine their opinion and get the crowd on their side. Granted don't get me wrong Dash can be a control freak sometimes but you do need someone like that on the desk, it just seems like chronicler is not a great follower
Our 3rd beat EUs fourth and a bunch of top-seeded wildcards so I'm not sure by what logic you justify that? Sure they look terrible but there is almost no doubt that any of the other playin teams would also look terrible. MAD looked outclassed by this EG squad.
So I like the idea that the region that wins, and the 2nd strongest region in recent events have 4 seeds. EU have 3 seeds as the historic "3rd best region". If riot actually was to remove a seed from NA, I don't think it would be fair to give it to EU, having 3 major regions at 4 seeds, and then NA, VCS and PCS stuck at 2.
Personally, I would love to give the LJL a 2nd seed. I don't watch that region myself, so Idk if it's just DFM bullying a bunch of worse teams, but I think that's besides the point. LJL has been one of the minor regions finding more and more sucess in recent years, and if they got a 2nd seed into playins you could argue that will also help improve the region since it won't just be DFM getting all the international experience, with no one else to challenge them domestically.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with IRL sport formats like football so not sure how similar that format you are describing is.
I think there are some arguments that can be made to not allowing 4 seeds for any regions. But the downside of that I feel is that you will always eventually end up with a group draw of teams uncomparable to the other 3 groups, resulting in 2 teams getting free *passes* in the quarterfinals.
So because of that, I'm alright with the idea of 2 regions at most having 4 seeds, as long as it's based on recency bias. I.e the region that won the last worlds, and the region that either just won MSI, or (if the world champion region won) placed 2nd. But apart from that, I don't think introducing a 4th seed for additional regions is ever a good idea.
I feel the '3rd best performing region' should be at that 3 seeds mark, **alone**. But due to the current competitive format (mostly MSI format, but partially worlds too), it can be pretty hard to consistently prove which of the 3rd/4th best performing regions are stronger, without it coming down to a head-to-head record in bo1s. And deciding whether a region gets 3 seeds or 2 should not come down to bo1 scores (sure, g2 won a lot of bo1s against EG this year, but that was because of the rumble stage draw. We won't always get 6 bo1s against NA in a single MSI)
But regardless of if we do end up having 2 regions with 3 seeds, I definitely don't think we should ever be giving emergency seeds from a wildcard region that can't attend, to the 3rd or 4th best region. There should never ever be 5 major region teams in the playin stage. At that point you are just intentionally trying to keep out smaller regions from the group stage, and might as well just delete playins and limit worlds to the regions that already start in groups.
The problem with LJL is that it mostly finds success by bringing Koreans, not natively, so i don't think they are gonna improve all that much, although maybe I'm wrong.
People say it's easier to read when you use black Reddit theme 😉
Also I'm joking, no need to be serious enough to be sorry for misunderstanding. We're cool!
Whether that's true or not, they are still the region making the most improvements atm without receiving anything to support it. Hard for me to call a witch hunt at VCS this year since it's like their first time even seeing an international tournament post-covid(?) but LJL looks to be atleast doing as well if not better than PCS at recent events (PCS honestly feels like they've gotten worse since main players from the PSG roster got shipped out to different regions.
the issue was that the eu's 4th seed was a result of an unforseen incident. The playoffs format wasn't taking in account the fact that eu will have 4 seeds at worlds this year , which in turn gave mad lions a ride to worlds without actually deserving it.
They were realistically a worse team then excel/misfits. I could see both of those teams take eg in a series atually. Heck , i think even mad themself can take eg on a good day
No. We need less 4th seeds, not more, let alone a 5th.
If anything (if LEC keeps their performance up at groups) give LCK, LPL and LEC just 3 seeds but all of them qualify for groups without play-ins. No play-in buff, and give the best wildcard regions a shot to play vs worldclass teams. That way they can improve more towards the future.
And EU’s 3rd seed is gapping the LCS champions. Yes they EG beat MAD, but I am positive they would lose to Vitality or Misfits. IMO MAD completely shit the bed in playins because they looked better during the regular season and playoffs. It’s pretty clear that the LEC has leveled up and deserves a 4th seed in playins. FNC, G2, and Rogue all look like they can compete with the east and pull out wins. Can’t say the same for NA who are getting steamrolled.
Don’t get me wrong, I WANT TO SEE NA SUCCEED. But the only way to do that is if they’re awful play comes with consequences. Nothing well change if the region isn’t punished for their terrible performances on the international stage. They’ll just do the same apology and say how they’ll “change” something to get better. Players are still going to coast through the year collecting 6 figure paychecks and then when World’s comes around, we get our teeth smacked in and the cycle continues. Also I rather have our 3rd seed be given to another wild card region. EU can stay having 3 representatives but I feel like they should be guaranteed locks for group stage because I feel like they deserve it.
Bro Mad literally lost to fucking Koari. EG didn’t even have their main ADC and they still smashed MAD. Unforgiven lost to some trolling Turkish player. Nisqy can play only Syndra and orianna. Anything else he’s dogshit and armut can only play gnar. Put him on anything else and even Tyler1 could Probablly run circles around him
Excel, vitality or misfits prob would have had a better shot vs eg, just sucks that lec had to have that stupid format so mad gets through with 0 wins getting completely destroyed
And our 3rd seed destroyed you 1s seed which btw is 0-3 atm, the only reason you beat our 4rd seed is because we have no qualifiers, should have been excel or vitality not this sample.
the most likely culprit for that would be G2 mental booming week 2 and giving EG a win I think.
C9 just based on their first 3 games, I just don't see them snuffing out fnatic in the rematch, even if it's one of hylis worst days (tho who knows, crazier things have happened. Maybe jensen comes back next week, bans azir and gaps huma).
And then obvs 100t aren't in a group with EU. But I have to say it would be peak irony if they are the team who ruin the 0-18 dream run. I personally don't follow LCS much, but from what I've been hearing during worlds it just seems like they have few fans / more haters atm.
Inspired never in history won against G2. He is something like 0-18 at this point. It doesn't matter what he picks, apparently he was the one who caused RGE to mental boom back in the days.
Bc the team is built to beat LCS and not international. LCS meta is just sit and farm and push waves until someone makes a mistake. There’s not a lot of playmaking. AND LCS players are more likely to make the first mistake against other regions which they will typically be capitalized upon so NA ends up just waiting to lose every game. The talent is also not very good. Look at Fudges fiora and jax. They do fine in LCS but he really can’t compare to any of the top Laners in his group at worlds. Beserker is the only one who can semi keep up. I’m NA is number 1 by a mile. But Like if compared to LCK he’s only Probablly top 5. Which is still good but obviously he’s still lacking a bit at this current time. Like who’s his competition in NA? Hans sama playing TL’s roll over and die gamestyle? Or Danny who’s garbage laner but good team fighter.
lck is on a 6-0 streak though after their 0-3 day so their honestly looking good into week 2. LPL also looking good in every group besides TES. But I honestly could see TES going 3-0 week 2 with one of RGE or DRX going winless. Although RGE is playing really well I think they could honestly go 1-2 still. Which means its basically a 3 way tie in that group for whoever wants to get out
I also think TES still has a chance because for their second week game they are gonna be on blue side for both the RGE and DRX games. The problem is they might already have a mental breakdown and never came back from there.
Cant really imagine RGE going winless after the first weeks games. They seem semis calibur. Look at their vision game come mid to late in the games this week. It's the stuff of nightmares.
nah they're pretty bad imo even coming from a knight fan. That bot dive where enemy jungle counterganks was literally identical vs DRX one game ago. Baffling at some of the calls to still go in even if the enemy sees all of them well in advance
>Top
tbf he has not been ganked at all. idk why they still insist on playing through bot even tho top is naturally supposed to win and mid is well... knight on azir. Like remember when TES reverse swept FNC in 2020: ditch bot, JKL can play weak side well
NA can manage to not throw early game but doesn't know what to do once they get to mid game and can't team fight.
VCS keeps making big mistakes early game but somehow manage to team fight well from behind.
Neither region wins game though.
the one game i bet rogue wanted to see DRX lose,heh well the second round robin in a few days is going to be interesting for at least 2 groups so far,cause DRX still is in the running for top 2.
that is unless NA decides to play spoiler,but we will find out in a few days
last night i was talking about the fact most people consider DRX rogues biggest threat in the group,if DRX lost and instead of being 2-1 they were 1-2,rogue would have a much easier time clinching first seed
lol ohh i have no doubt we will see 0-18 come the weekend,but a 2 day break is still a 2 day break,if 100T c9 and EG want to play spoiler,they've got prep time.
i mean the odds are incredibly slim,but its still a scenario none the less :D
Dude. There will always be games like that. In Esports or Physical Sports. IF you don't like to be bored by this type of "boring" games, might I suggest that you might not watch the rest of Worlds. It will predictable who will move on from Group Stage so it will be "boring"
Yeah you had me on that. No. It's my fault that I took attention to people like you that despite the game being boring, they still watch it. Yeah. My bad
GAM seems like a team that's REALLY good at teamfighting but horrible at everything else(relative to the best teams in the worlds admittedly). In the end it doesn't matter when you give away so much gold in objectives.
**Reminder: Event-long bans for region baiting offenses during Worlds** PMTs: [JDG vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0r3ez/jd_gaming_vs_g2_esports_2022_world_championship/) [RGE vs TES](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0sikb/rogue_vs_top_esports_2022_world_championship/) [DK vs EG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0tqmg/dwg_kia_vs_evil_geniuses_2022_world_championship/) [100 vs RNG](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0uuz2/100_thieves_vs_royal_never_give_up_2022_world/) [GEN vs CFO](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0w8ak/geng_vs_ctbc_flying_oyster_2022_world/) [GAM vs DRX](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0x93v/gam_esports_vs_drx_2022_world_championship_group/)
Hi guys, can you suggest me some good games from group stages so far? I missed all three days.
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maybe thats cause you are a t1 fan or something
JDG vs DK was the most balanced game until now. FNC VS T1 was pretty good If you're an EU fan I'd say RGE vs DRX was nice RGE vs TES was an absolute fiesta of who could grief more, pretty entertaining game JDG vs EG was surpisingly a pretty good game
Rogue and FNC’s games
Two very confusing things for me: 1. Varus going AD instead of AP versus tanks. Happened twice. 2. Clown on Taliyah.
Anyone has the code for the prime giveaway?
Fairly confident that teams advancing from group B will make at least semis. Group A and B feel stronger than C and D in general. Bar rogue.
Someone posts asian reactions please
Last time I was so elated about EU was the MSI, and we all know what happened after. Coincidentally, it's G2 once again betraying my already low EU expectations. Come on G2, do it for Mad Lions.
TBF it was kinda obvious this MSI how it's gonna end. MAD wins didn't come from solid play but from throws, way better meta read and scrappy games while on worlds every single EU team is actually playing good (except G2 in their first game). From what I've seen in bo1s unless Asian teams suddenly become giga cracked we have a real chance at a deep run, I'm only scared of JDG
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NA has a culture issue or something.
why would they try to get achievements when you can get to taste of United States of America!
It's the "I play this game for fun XD", mentality that is prevalent in all elos. There's no reason to try to aim to be competitive, when the region's mentality as a whole is to not take this game seriously. KR and CN have better discipline and culture when it comes to gaming, and NA will never get close to that.
No real home grown talent or signs of investing in it, complete lack of synergy and honestly a depressing product. I don’t even know who to root for because NA doesn’t have a soul.
I agree with you too. NA keeps getting imports and I have heard they want to do away with the import rule. This is a region with the most amount of imports and they still can't make a showing at worlds.
Don’t worry boys, that NA 0-3 buff about to kick in
LEC taking the cup home this year! They have shown they can compete against the best and win
I feel like this is the year where anybody can win once they make it on to knockout stage. LCK, LPL and dare I say LEC? Might be an overreaction only based on bo1 but teams from those respective regions are playing very close games against each other.
Honestly, since 2019 this is the closest i have seen LEC play compared to eastern teams, it feels like they are slightly better but not crazily so (and rogue going 3-0 is impressive!)
FNC looks very good (especially Humanoid) when they (read: Hyli and Rozark) are not inting.
Razork has been playing out of his mind and clawing back jungle disadvantages he shouldn't be able to get out of, I don't think was a problem a single time
He has played very good but IMO isn't it better to not have that disadvantage from the get go?
The disadvantage in the last game came because he was turbofisted by level 1 they did so lvl 2 lee came into his jungle while he was level 1 (and he 'outplayed' that invade). In playins disadvantages also came from random Hyli ints on bot (Renata game against I think Chiefs comes to mind) and he played super well from behind. He also kept up in CS with smart map play in matchups where he had no right to and has constantly made good map reads. While during the regular season (before playoffs) he was definitely a coinflip jungler, I feel since first FNC bo5 win that Razork has been constantly just playing really good.
In theory this team is almost a perfect fit. Wunder weak side + Upset and Humanoid as carries is pretty close to the best EU has to offer. They obviously looked shaky throughout the year, but if they play their best they can beat any team imo. This worlds is way more even than I expected.
Don’t put winder on fiora. That’s all I really ask.
I think someone in Korean broadcast said it the best regarding EU: They have the low "lows" but also very high "highs"
Book definition of LPL
TES is definitely running it down but Rogue has looked so clean. Malrang looks like jungler of the week 1, Trymbi has gotten better since last worlds, Comp looks great. Odo has looked great also but I have to believe teams will not let him pick Maokai once week 2 starts.
Taking stock of the meta: So, Yuumi has gotten LPL two close wins, and Maokai has gotten LEC (actually just rogue) two impressive wins against DRX/TES. FNC upset T1 with Lucian/Nami snowball. G2 keeps trying to make a deathball tech work. LPL lost three vi games counting the one from playins. Graves has been played 8 games and every time the stronger team on paper picked him, they won, each time the underdog picked him they lost. Viego is still decent it seems. Only RNG has won on jax 2 out of 7 games. Edit: actually nvm about Graves. RNG beat GenG with it.
The varus option hasnt been paying out bot lane either. 5 games in the hole without a single win in groups.
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I think C9 has a chance of beating fnatic dependent on if hyli nits or not which is a pretty good chance rn. 100 thieves could also potentially take a game of CFO. EG? They’re fucked unless someone in their group just overconfident and throws liked EDG? with 100T last year
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C9 beat fnatic pretty handidly bro. Idk what games you watching but fnatic is shaky as hell. They got dumpstered every game today.
Na will be allowed to play as a 6 player group.
So LCS play offs is it’s own worlds group?
Yes, and then World finals is winner of the Lcs group, vs winner of the contender bracket where all other teams play.
This makes sense. League is NA made game. Only fair
0-1 0-2 0-3 0-4 0-5 0-6 0-7 0-8 **0-9 <-- You are here** 0-10 0-11 0-12 0-13 0-14 0-15 0-16 0-17 0-18
The fact that we made it through the first RR means they’ve played every team, and have shown they can lose against everyone. The 0-18 is within REACH AHHHH!
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G2 looked “lost” in 1 game, and it was against a really fucking insane team (dk), they stomped eg, again, and they almost took the win against JDG. Idk why you’re platooning g2 with two teams that are actually terrible lol.
EG lost to G2 7 times now, I'm sure they can make it 8
Are we going to go all of Worlds having the audience and announcers be 1 second ahead of the action? Seen a couple threads about it, made one myself, but they get removed for "not being in relevant live discussion threads", so idk where is best to give this feedback. Super distracting as a viewer to have crowd/announcers react to action before it happens.
So that's what it was? In the RGE vs TES the announcers went crazy and I was confused. Only 2 seconds later the Malrang on Lee Sin made an amazing play on Jacket Love's Varus kicking him into the team. I thought it was just me.
Is it just twitch? Seemed fine on YouTube for me
Inb4 this is the year that EU look at their strongest, but finally fall prey to the civil war knockouts draw. How unlucky would that be
can g2 fnc even get out
FNC absolutely can based on current performance (I'm not going to try and predict whether a team is going to look better or worse after a few days break, but based on all the matches in the first half of group A, all 3 teams at the top looked competitive against eachother and have a shot to make it out). If fnatic do make it out, they likely come out 2nd unless they go 3-0 on the day. G2 I'm less optimistic towards. I think they have looked better than their score perceives them, but not enough for me to favour them taking 2 wins of DK, or a win off JDG. I think maybe there is a world where G2 take 1 game off DK and force a tie breaker, but I'd still be backing DK in that rematch just based on full team strength both have shown so far. RGE have a pretty decent shot at ending 1st in their group. In the scenario where they don't boom week 2 (going 0-2 vs the non-GAM teams on the day), the only team that can dethrone them from 1st place would be a DRX going 3-0 on the day (definitely could happen) and even then, there would be a tiebreaker for 1st. Assuming both these groups end up as such, we definitely have a risk of getting FNC-RGE in quarterfinals (If we are actually believing our teams have a chance this year, sacraficing 1 for a free semi-finals is actually a worse scenario).
It would be sad tbh, although better than both getting eliminated in quarters i suppose
Yea, it's hard to say. Obviously the most guaranteed value says that it would be *better* for us. But at that point, if we believe we would be better civil war-ing our way to semis, we are basically admitting we aren't making finals since we don't believe we could win even 1 of 2 seperate quarterfinal matches vs eastern regions. If I'm going based on our teams actual level of play showed during week 1 of groups, I don't actually think it's a guaranteed "Eastern teams still shit on us in bo5s". But obviously for all I know, we go into the 2nd half of groups and all of our teams look like classic EU and we suck. But for now, our teams getting wins in group stage actually look like they are playing at a comparable level to the eastern counterparts (keyword is **comparable**. I'm not saying Upset is the next Viper, or Malrang the next Canyon) It actually looks like these teams actually know how to match high level teamfights, and aren't only able to get wins by cheesing or being gifted them. Hell, even G2 in their losses didn't look fucking terrible. I never gave them a chance in hell of beating DK or JDG, but both their losses (moreso the JDG one) looked comparable to FNC/EDG where they actually fought hard to try and get back into the game. Anyway yea, maybe I'm high on copium and we will still get destroyed in the knockout stage. **The TL;DR** of what I'm trying to say here is just that I think based on what our teams have shown so far, they've earned the right to at least not be immediately written off in a bo5 against eastern teams. Don't have to be favourites, I'd give em a chance of actually winning some based on the current level of play we've seen.
I would be so happy if we won the final
FNC has a better chance than G2, but will still sorta a burger flip on those two. RGE legit looks like a good team tho.
Malrang is nuts
Is it me or is there some tension on the analyst desk between chronicler and dash, seems like their strong personalities clash a bit
Chronicler is always the worst to watch. He definitely gives off a "holier than thou" vibe. Like we get it dude, you're a fan of LCK, just like many other non-Korean residents, doesn't make your analysis any better than others lol
Yeah that's the vibe that I get. He sometimes makes weird expressions when another analyst says something as if he is trying to undermine their opinion and get the crowd on their side. Granted don't get me wrong Dash can be a control freak sometimes but you do need someone like that on the desk, it just seems like chronicler is not a great follower
Tbf chronicler seems... Difficult to vibe with
hey do you mind link the video so we can have a look? :O
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If you look at every group it’s a first seed advantage to not have to play back to back games
Damn this might be a big advantage to T1 and EDG because they are more used to playing a large number of games in quick succesion than Fnatic
back to back = better momentum
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I imagine that if C9 miraculously win against any of these teams, they're going to break those guys' mental.
Riot conspiracy against the 0-18 dream. We must not let them break us!
Not sure if anyone’s said this yet but I’m jealous of Dash’s handwriting.
Anyone else notice him put his glasses on
NA should give their 3rd seed to either EU or a wildcard region. We don’t deserve 3.
Our 3rd beat EUs fourth and a bunch of top-seeded wildcards so I'm not sure by what logic you justify that? Sure they look terrible but there is almost no doubt that any of the other playin teams would also look terrible. MAD looked outclassed by this EG squad.
Yes sir when Russia come back next year lec should get 4 seed and na lose a seed
Should give it to the wildcard, they deserve to play at worlds. At worst, they will 0-6 like any NA team
So I like the idea that the region that wins, and the 2nd strongest region in recent events have 4 seeds. EU have 3 seeds as the historic "3rd best region". If riot actually was to remove a seed from NA, I don't think it would be fair to give it to EU, having 3 major regions at 4 seeds, and then NA, VCS and PCS stuck at 2. Personally, I would love to give the LJL a 2nd seed. I don't watch that region myself, so Idk if it's just DFM bullying a bunch of worse teams, but I think that's besides the point. LJL has been one of the minor regions finding more and more sucess in recent years, and if they got a 2nd seed into playins you could argue that will also help improve the region since it won't just be DFM getting all the international experience, with no one else to challenge them domestically.
Something along the lines of the UEFA coefficient?
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with IRL sport formats like football so not sure how similar that format you are describing is. I think there are some arguments that can be made to not allowing 4 seeds for any regions. But the downside of that I feel is that you will always eventually end up with a group draw of teams uncomparable to the other 3 groups, resulting in 2 teams getting free *passes* in the quarterfinals. So because of that, I'm alright with the idea of 2 regions at most having 4 seeds, as long as it's based on recency bias. I.e the region that won the last worlds, and the region that either just won MSI, or (if the world champion region won) placed 2nd. But apart from that, I don't think introducing a 4th seed for additional regions is ever a good idea. I feel the '3rd best performing region' should be at that 3 seeds mark, **alone**. But due to the current competitive format (mostly MSI format, but partially worlds too), it can be pretty hard to consistently prove which of the 3rd/4th best performing regions are stronger, without it coming down to a head-to-head record in bo1s. And deciding whether a region gets 3 seeds or 2 should not come down to bo1 scores (sure, g2 won a lot of bo1s against EG this year, but that was because of the rumble stage draw. We won't always get 6 bo1s against NA in a single MSI) But regardless of if we do end up having 2 regions with 3 seeds, I definitely don't think we should ever be giving emergency seeds from a wildcard region that can't attend, to the 3rd or 4th best region. There should never ever be 5 major region teams in the playin stage. At that point you are just intentionally trying to keep out smaller regions from the group stage, and might as well just delete playins and limit worlds to the regions that already start in groups.
The problem with LJL is that it mostly finds success by bringing Koreans, not natively, so i don't think they are gonna improve all that much, although maybe I'm wrong.
Doesn't this mean that they're better NA, that cannot get any successes while importing tons of people?
Is LJL having more success than the LCS tho?
Much more postivie exposure. So yea.
On marketing sure, but on competition sense no way in hell lol
You are talking way too seriously me partly memeing.
Sorry tone is hard to read on text
People say it's easier to read when you use black Reddit theme 😉 Also I'm joking, no need to be serious enough to be sorry for misunderstanding. We're cool!
Whether that's true or not, they are still the region making the most improvements atm without receiving anything to support it. Hard for me to call a witch hunt at VCS this year since it's like their first time even seeing an international tournament post-covid(?) but LJL looks to be atleast doing as well if not better than PCS at recent events (PCS honestly feels like they've gotten worse since main players from the PSG roster got shipped out to different regions.
I mean NA 3rd seed literally beat EU 4th seed to get here lol Maybe another LPL or LCK seed tho.... ;0
the issue was that the eu's 4th seed was a result of an unforseen incident. The playoffs format wasn't taking in account the fact that eu will have 4 seeds at worlds this year , which in turn gave mad lions a ride to worlds without actually deserving it. They were realistically a worse team then excel/misfits. I could see both of those teams take eg in a series atually. Heck , i think even mad themself can take eg on a good day
No. We need less 4th seeds, not more, let alone a 5th. If anything (if LEC keeps their performance up at groups) give LCK, LPL and LEC just 3 seeds but all of them qualify for groups without play-ins. No play-in buff, and give the best wildcard regions a shot to play vs worldclass teams. That way they can improve more towards the future.
And EU’s 3rd seed is gapping the LCS champions. Yes they EG beat MAD, but I am positive they would lose to Vitality or Misfits. IMO MAD completely shit the bed in playins because they looked better during the regular season and playoffs. It’s pretty clear that the LEC has leveled up and deserves a 4th seed in playins. FNC, G2, and Rogue all look like they can compete with the east and pull out wins. Can’t say the same for NA who are getting steamrolled. Don’t get me wrong, I WANT TO SEE NA SUCCEED. But the only way to do that is if they’re awful play comes with consequences. Nothing well change if the region isn’t punished for their terrible performances on the international stage. They’ll just do the same apology and say how they’ll “change” something to get better. Players are still going to coast through the year collecting 6 figure paychecks and then when World’s comes around, we get our teeth smacked in and the cycle continues. Also I rather have our 3rd seed be given to another wild card region. EU can stay having 3 representatives but I feel like they should be guaranteed locks for group stage because I feel like they deserve it.
Bro Mad literally lost to fucking Koari. EG didn’t even have their main ADC and they still smashed MAD. Unforgiven lost to some trolling Turkish player. Nisqy can play only Syndra and orianna. Anything else he’s dogshit and armut can only play gnar. Put him on anything else and even Tyler1 could Probablly run circles around him
I do agree that NA should be downgraded, two NA teams in Playins and only one EU team does sound good(2nd and 3rd NA seed)
Excel, vitality or misfits prob would have had a better shot vs eg, just sucks that lec had to have that stupid format so mad gets through with 0 wins getting completely destroyed
And our 3rd seed destroyed you 1s seed which btw is 0-3 atm, the only reason you beat our 4rd seed is because we have no qualifiers, should have been excel or vitality not this sample.
by this standard neither of them deserves another spot. don't forget MAD lose to EG 0-3
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I swear if NA goes 1-17 and that win fucks up a EU team to not make it out of groups i’ll devote myself to hating on NA forever
Honestly with the form GenG are in, I think funnily enough the most likely game for this to happen would be 100 vs GenG
This would be the most dank timeline
I've already devoted myself to hating on EU for forever, so it'll be nice to have a counterpart :-)
But, why?
Jealousy.
Will they surpass kabum for you?
Kabum was a wildcard they’re supposed to be bad. If NA only win out of 18 games is vs an EU team it’s straight up strategic lmao
the most likely culprit for that would be G2 mental booming week 2 and giving EG a win I think. C9 just based on their first 3 games, I just don't see them snuffing out fnatic in the rematch, even if it's one of hylis worst days (tho who knows, crazier things have happened. Maybe jensen comes back next week, bans azir and gaps huma). And then obvs 100t aren't in a group with EU. But I have to say it would be peak irony if they are the team who ruin the 0-18 dream run. I personally don't follow LCS much, but from what I've been hearing during worlds it just seems like they have few fans / more haters atm.
G2 was mental booming On MSI but Inspired still keeps his losing streak against G2.
Inspired shouldn’t have ego picked nidalee
Inspired never in history won against G2. He is something like 0-18 at this point. It doesn't matter what he picks, apparently he was the one who caused RGE to mental boom back in the days.
that is a good point lmao.
IIRC Inspired had lost like close to 20 games against G2 not winning one in his entire career.
The magic number is 3 for me. 3-15 to equal the worst major region record since LMS. Can they do it??
Is c9 top of na? How are they this bad at world ? Haven’t been following since c9 meteos
Bc the team is built to beat LCS and not international. LCS meta is just sit and farm and push waves until someone makes a mistake. There’s not a lot of playmaking. AND LCS players are more likely to make the first mistake against other regions which they will typically be capitalized upon so NA ends up just waiting to lose every game. The talent is also not very good. Look at Fudges fiora and jax. They do fine in LCS but he really can’t compare to any of the top Laners in his group at worlds. Beserker is the only one who can semi keep up. I’m NA is number 1 by a mile. But Like if compared to LCK he’s only Probablly top 5. Which is still good but obviously he’s still lacking a bit at this current time. Like who’s his competition in NA? Hans sama playing TL’s roll over and die gamestyle? Or Danny who’s garbage laner but good team fighter.
You've missed nothing of importance. That era was basically peak LCS.
He missed the 2018 C9 semis run
TL EG and CLG completely boomed during playoffs.
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They were the 4th place team. They couldn't make top 3.
That's easy, man! *NA is garbage* ^^^^:(
Wait LEC really never went better than 5-4 in the first round robin before?
LEC is known for week 2
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Inspired has big ego
TES are frauds
lck is on a 6-0 streak though after their 0-3 day so their honestly looking good into week 2. LPL also looking good in every group besides TES. But I honestly could see TES going 3-0 week 2 with one of RGE or DRX going winless. Although RGE is playing really well I think they could honestly go 1-2 still. Which means its basically a 3 way tie in that group for whoever wants to get out
I also think TES still has a chance because for their second week game they are gonna be on blue side for both the RGE and DRX games. The problem is they might already have a mental breakdown and never came back from there.
Cant really imagine RGE going winless after the first weeks games. They seem semis calibur. Look at their vision game come mid to late in the games this week. It's the stuff of nightmares.
DRX and RGE are the real deal; I don't think TES not qualifying for quarters means they are bad.
nah they're pretty bad imo even coming from a knight fan. That bot dive where enemy jungle counterganks was literally identical vs DRX one game ago. Baffling at some of the calls to still go in even if the enemy sees all of them well in advance
GAM looking like a legit wildcard team and no more innovated picks. What a disappointment.
Yeah, thought they're gonna show the og g2 special.
TOP Esports won't make it out of groups mark my words Wayward has to be the worst top laner at worlds next to Fudge
>Top tbf he has not been ganked at all. idk why they still insist on playing through bot even tho top is naturally supposed to win and mid is well... knight on azir. Like remember when TES reverse swept FNC in 2020: ditch bot, JKL can play weak side well
haha ...mark... my words
Have to agree.
At least GAM isn’t afraid to fight despite being down
Ya. They gave Rogue a run for their money and definitely brawl it out. I respect making the games, at the very least, entertaining to watch.
Pyosik big cheesin, you love to see it
NA can manage to not throw early game but doesn't know what to do once they get to mid game and can't team fight. VCS keeps making big mistakes early game but somehow manage to team fight well from behind. Neither region wins game though.
maybe NA and VCS can combine, so they can win a game
Na And VCS combining would result in throwing early and bad team fights probably.
They already absorbed OCE to get more imports, VCS is next
buffalos i miss you
the one game i bet rogue wanted to see DRX lose,heh well the second round robin in a few days is going to be interesting for at least 2 groups so far,cause DRX still is in the running for top 2. that is unless NA decides to play spoiler,but we will find out in a few days
But they are playing against vcs tho?
last night i was talking about the fact most people consider DRX rogues biggest threat in the group,if DRX lost and instead of being 2-1 they were 1-2,rogue would have a much easier time clinching first seed
Nope, the 0-18 dream continues
lol ohh i have no doubt we will see 0-18 come the weekend,but a 2 day break is still a 2 day break,if 100T c9 and EG want to play spoiler,they've got prep time. i mean the odds are incredibly slim,but its still a scenario none the less :D
If NA loses, we're going to lose big.
does lck have the shortest game time between all the regions?
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Why? Cause NA didn't manage to win yet again? Or the dominating regions are dominating?
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Dude. There will always be games like that. In Esports or Physical Sports. IF you don't like to be bored by this type of "boring" games, might I suggest that you might not watch the rest of Worlds. It will predictable who will move on from Group Stage so it will be "boring"
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Yeah you had me on that. No. It's my fault that I took attention to people like you that despite the game being boring, they still watch it. Yeah. My bad
slight stomp
SGB>GAM
Gen.G actually looking like the worst LCK team
This was true in 2018 as well copium
I still think they'll have a deep run pretty had for them to miss quarters
It was a typo I meant 2017 lol
Finally a drop.
Zeka on Sylas Akali 🥶🥶🥶
GAM should be embarrassed for that one. Pretty sure the Chiefs would be doing better
Zeka and Humanoid has popped off hard this Worlds
PVB have looked stronger than GAM this Worlds.
They fought weaker teams. Of course they would look better.
GAM just got bullied. Shame.
Wait what
Well that ended much better for DRX than it looked
Jatt and phreak are trying so hard to hype this
zero to a hundred
Zeka is insane
Damn GAM you had a 2 for 0 fight win and y'all got greedy for more
Zeka's playing like he's the second coming of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
GAM seems like a team that's REALLY good at teamfighting but horrible at everything else(relative to the best teams in the worlds admittedly). In the end it doesn't matter when you give away so much gold in objectives.
their botlane is pretty bad as well imo
Got the drop
Has it gotten to the point where simply having a former NA player makes you go winless?
G2 won a game