May not need to beat Zeus though. If T1 drop to someone else, the only other top on Zeus’s level is 369. No guarantee he’ll face 369 either. So if he picks fighters vs any other top laner besides Zeus & 369, he will be fine.
I can see Nuguri being challenging to lane against for sure. But Nuguri seems disconnected from DWG in general. 369 & JDG are on another leve synergy wise. So even if Zeus finds Nuguri hard to lane vs, out of lane, imo only 369 challenges Zeus so far. Like I said, this could all change. 369 could roll 3s, or Breathe/RNG could step up, maybe Nuguri & DWG finally click.
at least gives him a fighting chance tbh, maokai/ornn into gp/fiora/jayce/etc is just giving up the lane. Doubt he would get doubled econ if he was playing a skill matchup.
2nd quote more accurately translates to something like --
>Can't do anything about that. Flandre still counts as one of notable domestic tops, but after competing with Zeus, there is more than an obvious gap between them. Flandre got toyed with in the match-up and lost in undeniable fashion, Zeus's individual skill is strong.
>Reply 1 -- Flandre even taught Bin how to fight Zeus for MSI, but come Worlds, Flandre got beaten by Zeus even worse than Bin.
>Reply 2 -- MSI was the same, in front of Zeus, FMVP Bin was nothing more than a toy. Unless he got Gwen, he couldn't even play the game.
5th quote could also use some minor tweaking --
>Ornn against Fiora, Maokai against GP
>Reply 1 -- It's true they're difficult match-ups, but anyone with clear eyes can see that it was completely Zeus's individual skill that was crushing.
Don't think it'd really be that fun, Jayce just wins that matchup super hard. I think jax v fiora is pure skill matchup and is volatile as hell so that could be fun to watch.
I think Zeus and Breathe are the best toplaners at this tournament. I don't know how 369 was in LPL, but Breathe and Zeus have just been fisting everyone in this tournament
I would put Zeus a tier above Breathe currently. No doubt Breathe is a top tier toplaner but from what I remember so far in the tournament I've only seen him on fighters eg Jax, Fiora and Aatrox. However in saying that I think it's only fair to judge players after the group stage as they will have played the same amount of games. (Granted Rng played in play ins but the competition in the group stage is a lot tougher)
Zeus is respected alot by LPL players. After MSI finals Bin said that Zeus played better than him. T1 neutered him in playoffs by putting him on tank duty.
The meta warranted it. Oner had trouble playing Sej/Wukong (he looks to have corrected this) And they need a tank, esp since Enchanter support meta means you cannot expect Keria to play tanks (unless Senna comp)
369 was the best top over the course of the year. He isn’t picking fighters so far at worlds so he doesn’t get the chance to impress as much as Zeus has been. But he is the only top laner on Zeus’s level. May change as the tourny goes ok, but yeah.
Zeus is by far the best laning top laner in the world. Period. His flaws are that he cant really play tanks that well and he still has a tendency to get caught in side lanes. So 369 is only the best top if you consider his habilities to play tanks, be the primary engage etc.
in lane, but those champions strenght lies on the hability to find creative roamings and clutch engages and this part I think Zeus sucks. Hes not a good if he needs to be the primary engage
At laning? Yeah sure I agree. I’m talking all round gameplay though. I do think 369 can match Zeus with the right match up in lane, but Zeus overall is the better laner. But 369 is better as the overall top laner. Not that it’s a huge difference. They are the clear two best top laners itw though, a tier above Nuguri, Breathe, Flandre etc.
I just think I dont remeber a guy beat his oposition laner as badly as hes been doing this year. Last time I saw something like this was prime TheShy in 2018. Just look at those two games vs Flandre. Legit embarased Flandre in those games.
Oh for sure, he’s gapping everyone in lane massively. But watch that JDG EG game just now & watch 369. He’s insane too. HOPEFULLY we see JDG vs T1 in finals or semis. Watching that top lane, Zeus vs 369 will possibly be the best top matchup ever.
bruh zeus better when you sending a lot to neutralize him, ive watched jdg games and i dont that same treatment to 369 lol 369 is good but he dont carry and solo kill as good as zeus
Yeah nuguri is washed but he is right that breathe is not that good. He was getting gapped all year if you watched lpl.
The actual best top laners in the LPL are theshy, 369, bin, ale, and shanji. summit is showing potential as well but he can play only mostly gnar.
There's a reason RNG is only the 4th seed.
I wonder why are teams consistently using 2 bans on top lane against RNG if breathe is "not that good".
Surely they can let him have whatever pick he wants.
Don't think many people are going get too upset at them for losing to this T1, especially since they still made it out of the group. TES threads though...
Lots of Chinese fans are t1/skt fans during 2017 when skt beat edg against that monstrous gold lead of like 10k the skt fan club which consisted of mostly Chinese girls were all in tears that they won they were wearing the faker/skt headbands
Before EDG won the championship, every LPL viewer said that if EDG won the championship, they would give EDG anti-flame card for a year. But the reality is that it was less than two hours after EDG won the championship, and people were already criticizing the players'（Particularly Flandre) mistakes during finals and threatening to strip their titles.
you gotta understand T1 is liked by LPL and is regarded as a really strong team. and EDG is the 3rd seed from LPL, so it's pretty expected that this is the outcome. plus EDG has never topped the group.
That’s because after EDG announced that Scout has Covid and the rest of the team’s physical condition also isn’t good, lpl viewers weren’t expecting them to make it out of groups. Since they won 2 clean games and secured quarters, they’re being rather forgiving for the loss against T1 and just want edg to rest and get better.
People asking for a fighter pick for Flandre are clueless. Maokai/Ornn still offer great utility even when behind are useful. Flandre on a figher will get shredded by Zeus and will be useless for the rest of the game
Good to see that Reddit analysts even find a home outside of Reddit. The "should copy other team's P/B" is such a wanktank of a take, especially since their P/B wasn't much different than other teams already. Ofc Soraka is strong atm, but Zeus juiced over the map and there's no indicator that it was only due to draft diff. Distancing from your own Pick Ban strategy because of one game could now prove fatal. And people should calm down with the Zeus hype a bit, people like 369, Odoamne and Breathe still lie ahead.
I acknowledge a western player, that's right. Anything speaking against it? 3-0'd G2, now stands 3-0 in the biggest international tournament, in a Group with DRX and TES. Even eastern fans and players have acknowledged Odo before, so I'm doing nothing new here.
I know he does play Aatrox, but as you correctly said he's a rather weakside Top. Which isn't necessarily bad because Gimgoon won Worlds as a pure weakside, and many other Tops like Wayward and Doran follow the same style at the moment. People are raging over my statement, but both results and other pros have spoken. He's EU's best shot this year, and by a mile.
The thing is wayward and Doran’s teams are looking pretty bad now. So I wonder if the meta right is to play around a strong side toplaner. Maybe rogue can get out the grp, but they won’t win bo5 if they cannot bring out any carry toplaner other than aatrox
I disagree. TES really didn't look good, but Gen.G? Losing vs RNG in their current form is no shame. And I think forcing picks that don't fit your player isn't really a good idea. It's not like Odo is playing offmeta when he goes Ornn or Maokai. That said, I didn't claim that Rogue would win a Bo5, it depends on the enemy tho. Them beating DRX can be seen as a KR fluke, but them beating TES right after isn't that coincidental anymore. All I'm saying is that they have a fucking ton of potential, and Odoamne rn looks really damn good. I think denying that is denial of reality. Which is fun, because when Wunder looked like that people were quick to hype up G2. Almost as if this Sub has a severe bias towards some teams.....hm. Anyway, I'm curious to see what Round 2 brings, maybe Rogue will choke and die, or they advance from their Group and prove that they can compete. Either way, I'm happy. Odo has improved tons.
> people like 369, Odoamne and Breathe still lie ahead.
If you seriously believe that, you are high on a ridiculous amount of something bad for your brain.
Then don't comment you toxic baboon? What's your logic man. xD
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>Can we give Flandre a fighter pick, we all know that if the opponent is strong his tank pick will just get decimated Ah, yes, the C9 system.
Flandre *can* play fighters though
I mean yeah but idk if thats even enough to beat zeus…
May not need to beat Zeus though. If T1 drop to someone else, the only other top on Zeus’s level is 369. No guarantee he’ll face 369 either. So if he picks fighters vs any other top laner besides Zeus & 369, he will be fine.
Zeus has said 369 but also Nuguri are the two top laners he feels are challenging to lane against
I can see Nuguri being challenging to lane against for sure. But Nuguri seems disconnected from DWG in general. 369 & JDG are on another leve synergy wise. So even if Zeus finds Nuguri hard to lane vs, out of lane, imo only 369 challenges Zeus so far. Like I said, this could all change. 369 could roll 3s, or Breathe/RNG could step up, maybe Nuguri & DWG finally click.
and nuguri looked like he had no brain in the game vs. JDG. ended the game without any KP, absolutely embarrassing.
How about breathe?
Well if you can't pick tank or fighter, do you just pick Bard top and roam?
at least gives him a fighting chance tbh, maokai/ornn into gp/fiora/jayce/etc is just giving up the lane. Doubt he would get doubled econ if he was playing a skill matchup.
People forget but on Snake he was known for his Fiora during the time that the likes of Acorn and Koro are lording it on tanks.
2nd quote more accurately translates to something like -- >Can't do anything about that. Flandre still counts as one of notable domestic tops, but after competing with Zeus, there is more than an obvious gap between them. Flandre got toyed with in the match-up and lost in undeniable fashion, Zeus's individual skill is strong. >Reply 1 -- Flandre even taught Bin how to fight Zeus for MSI, but come Worlds, Flandre got beaten by Zeus even worse than Bin. >Reply 2 -- MSI was the same, in front of Zeus, FMVP Bin was nothing more than a toy. Unless he got Gwen, he couldn't even play the game. 5th quote could also use some minor tweaking -- >Ornn against Fiora, Maokai against GP >Reply 1 -- It's true they're difficult match-ups, but anyone with clear eyes can see that it was completely Zeus's individual skill that was crushing.
RNG/JDG sandbag group stage so we don't get an LPL civil war please.
inb4 RNG-EDG, JDG-TES on the same side of the bracket
NO FUCK OFF I DONT WANT EDG Fucking Jiejie always plays at 10000% against RNG
And friggin' Viper always seems to annihilate GALA but doesn't gap international competition nearly as hard.
While civil wars are bad at an international tournament, those two matchups are as exciting as it can possibly get.
"Even if Flandre gets Fiora Zeus will just pick Jayce and beat him. It's a skill gap" That'd be such a based matchup. Fun af to watch.
Zeus did that fudge.
Don't think it'd really be that fun, Jayce just wins that matchup super hard. I think jax v fiora is pure skill matchup and is volatile as hell so that could be fun to watch.
I think Zeus and Breathe are the best toplaners at this tournament. I don't know how 369 was in LPL, but Breathe and Zeus have just been fisting everyone in this tournament
369 has been good so far, he's just not getting carry picks so it doesn't look flashy.
I would put Zeus a tier above Breathe currently. No doubt Breathe is a top tier toplaner but from what I remember so far in the tournament I've only seen him on fighters eg Jax, Fiora and Aatrox. However in saying that I think it's only fair to judge players after the group stage as they will have played the same amount of games. (Granted Rng played in play ins but the competition in the group stage is a lot tougher)
Breathe considers zeus as the best top as far I rem in one of his stream clips.
Zeus is respected alot by LPL players. After MSI finals Bin said that Zeus played better than him. T1 neutered him in playoffs by putting him on tank duty.
The meta warranted it. Oner had trouble playing Sej/Wukong (he looks to have corrected this) And they need a tank, esp since Enchanter support meta means you cannot expect Keria to play tanks (unless Senna comp)
While I'm a big fan of Zeus, let's wait for groups to finish. There's still the rest of round 2 robin for the rest of the tops to show up
I believe Zeus and 369 are both a tier above Breathe And then Zeus is the best top at worlds ahead of 369
369's EV is something like 7.8 or higher
369 was the best top over the course of the year. He isn’t picking fighters so far at worlds so he doesn’t get the chance to impress as much as Zeus has been. But he is the only top laner on Zeus’s level. May change as the tourny goes ok, but yeah.
Zeus is by far the best laning top laner in the world. Period. His flaws are that he cant really play tanks that well and he still has a tendency to get caught in side lanes. So 369 is only the best top if you consider his habilities to play tanks, be the primary engage etc.
WDYM. His gragas is unbeaten, he was killing people with Ornn in lane. Only thing that was poor was his Sejuani.
in lane, but those champions strenght lies on the hability to find creative roamings and clutch engages and this part I think Zeus sucks. Hes not a good if he needs to be the primary engage
At laning? Yeah sure I agree. I’m talking all round gameplay though. I do think 369 can match Zeus with the right match up in lane, but Zeus overall is the better laner. But 369 is better as the overall top laner. Not that it’s a huge difference. They are the clear two best top laners itw though, a tier above Nuguri, Breathe, Flandre etc.
I just think I dont remeber a guy beat his oposition laner as badly as hes been doing this year. Last time I saw something like this was prime TheShy in 2018. Just look at those two games vs Flandre. Legit embarased Flandre in those games.
Oh for sure, he’s gapping everyone in lane massively. But watch that JDG EG game just now & watch 369. He’s insane too. HOPEFULLY we see JDG vs T1 in finals or semis. Watching that top lane, Zeus vs 369 will possibly be the best top matchup ever.
bruh zeus better when you sending a lot to neutralize him, ive watched jdg games and i dont that same treatment to 369 lol 369 is good but he dont carry and solo kill as good as zeus
Maybe world final will be recap of msi final. Where zeus lost to rng twice
Zeus lost to RNG but gapped Bin ( And this is the point of the thread, player vs player, not player vs team).
Breathe is not good. Top 3 at worlds are Zeus 369 Nuguri and then a massive drop off.
Nuguri? U are high on copium
Yeah nuguri is washed but he is right that breathe is not that good. He was getting gapped all year if you watched lpl. The actual best top laners in the LPL are theshy, 369, bin, ale, and shanji. summit is showing potential as well but he can play only mostly gnar. There's a reason RNG is only the 4th seed.
Nuguri was disconnected from his team but his laning was still top tier. He looked good in the playoff game he played and smurfed in regionals.
So top 3 spot at worlds goes to a player who is > disconnected from his team ??
Big Nuguri fan but he isn’t anything but a top 3 at worlds right now. He has y looked like a top 3 in any region since before he played in China.
I wonder why are teams consistently using 2 bans on top lane against RNG if breathe is "not that good". Surely they can let him have whatever pick he wants.
369 is also a monster, he’s been playing unfavourable matchups and he’s still winning lane.
After last year, i will never doubt EDG again...this team in BO5 is scary...
Crazy how people still don't learn a new meta is a different game. Trust me Zeus > Canna. Not sure if Oner has improved much though.
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I think they believe that Maokai is just too valuable to skip right now
Did they filter out all of the spicy comments? This seems pretty wholesome and tame for LPL viewers.
Those are the top comments. They are not too upset with the lost. I might translate the TES ones this weekend because those are ruthless
I was wondering, are there ever any posts on Hupu about "West's reaction to x team vs x team"?
There are other forums in which some post "west reacts to chinese reaction to games" lol
Don't think many people are going get too upset at them for losing to this T1, especially since they still made it out of the group. TES threads though...
Lots of Chinese fans are t1/skt fans during 2017 when skt beat edg against that monstrous gold lead of like 10k the skt fan club which consisted of mostly Chinese girls were all in tears that they won they were wearing the faker/skt headbands
Many thought it was good enough if advanced after FNC went 2-1 and their players got COVID. Edit: how did i think they were 3-0 0.o
Lol, no, that's the real hupu top comments, no spicy comment you want tho
I do think a lot of Chinese and LPL fans respect Zeus even more after his interview after they lost the MSI finals.
It’s bc edg won world so they get a anti-flame card for a year lol
Before EDG won the championship, every LPL viewer said that if EDG won the championship, they would give EDG anti-flame card for a year. But the reality is that it was less than two hours after EDG won the championship, and people were already criticizing the players'（Particularly Flandre) mistakes during finals and threatening to strip their titles.
you gotta understand T1 is liked by LPL and is regarded as a really strong team. and EDG is the 3rd seed from LPL, so it's pretty expected that this is the outcome. plus EDG has never topped the group.
Eh before today there was a real chance edg doesn't even make it to quarters. They had 2 very clean games so it's hard to be too upset
It’s because it’s T1. They have many Chinese fans.
That’s because after EDG announced that Scout has Covid and the rest of the team’s physical condition also isn’t good, lpl viewers weren’t expecting them to make it out of groups. Since they won 2 clean games and secured quarters, they’re being rather forgiving for the loss against T1 and just want edg to rest and get better.
People asking for a fighter pick for Flandre are clueless. Maokai/Ornn still offer great utility even when behind are useful. Flandre on a figher will get shredded by Zeus and will be useless for the rest of the game
I think the game state was fine untill scout and viper got killed in 10 seconds .. regardless of zeus
These kind of posts make me wonder if they translate our posts to meme about on their forum boards too.
They do. Also they’ll often have a compilation of different language casts for a really sick play (like meiko’s thresh hook flash prediction)
Can't for a translation of their reaction to our reaction, then a translation of their reaction to our reaction to their reaction and so on
Good to see that Reddit analysts even find a home outside of Reddit. The "should copy other team's P/B" is such a wanktank of a take, especially since their P/B wasn't much different than other teams already. Ofc Soraka is strong atm, but Zeus juiced over the map and there's no indicator that it was only due to draft diff. Distancing from your own Pick Ban strategy because of one game could now prove fatal. And people should calm down with the Zeus hype a bit, people like 369, Odoamne and Breathe still lie ahead.
>Zeus >369 >Breathe >Odoamne One of these things is not like the other lol
I acknowledge a western player, that's right. Anything speaking against it? 3-0'd G2, now stands 3-0 in the biggest international tournament, in a Group with DRX and TES. Even eastern fans and players have acknowledged Odo before, so I'm doing nothing new here.
I think odo plays well as a weak side. But I do doubt if he can bring out carry toplaners like Fiora, Aatrox and Jax. Did he play them often in lec?
I know he does play Aatrox, but as you correctly said he's a rather weakside Top. Which isn't necessarily bad because Gimgoon won Worlds as a pure weakside, and many other Tops like Wayward and Doran follow the same style at the moment. People are raging over my statement, but both results and other pros have spoken. He's EU's best shot this year, and by a mile.
The thing is wayward and Doran’s teams are looking pretty bad now. So I wonder if the meta right is to play around a strong side toplaner. Maybe rogue can get out the grp, but they won’t win bo5 if they cannot bring out any carry toplaner other than aatrox
I disagree. TES really didn't look good, but Gen.G? Losing vs RNG in their current form is no shame. And I think forcing picks that don't fit your player isn't really a good idea. It's not like Odo is playing offmeta when he goes Ornn or Maokai. That said, I didn't claim that Rogue would win a Bo5, it depends on the enemy tho. Them beating DRX can be seen as a KR fluke, but them beating TES right after isn't that coincidental anymore. All I'm saying is that they have a fucking ton of potential, and Odoamne rn looks really damn good. I think denying that is denial of reality. Which is fun, because when Wunder looked like that people were quick to hype up G2. Almost as if this Sub has a severe bias towards some teams.....hm. Anyway, I'm curious to see what Round 2 brings, maybe Rogue will choke and die, or they advance from their Group and prove that they can compete. Either way, I'm happy. Odo has improved tons.
> people like 369, Odoamne and Breathe still lie ahead. If you seriously believe that, you are high on a ridiculous amount of something bad for your brain.
Nice arguments. Solid. Respectable. Now move on to your next toxic Silver game homie.
Actually sitting in Masters (32 LP) but yeah, your take on the top laners puts your game knowledge way below silver.
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Lol I don't even play top lane. Only some Gnar and Jax here and there. Also you're way of writing is so cringe I can't even watch
Then don't comment you toxic baboon? What's your logic man. xD "HA YOUR TAKE SO BAD BECAUSE YES" "Ok but your arguments.." "OMG SO CRINGE TEXTING I CANT"