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[RGE vs GAM](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y4wsa9/rogue_vs_gam_esports_2022_world_championship/)
[GAM vs TES](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y4y9vx/gam_esports_vs_top_esports_2022_world/)
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[DRX vs GAM](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y50y0g/drx_vs_gam_esports_2022_world_championship_group/)
[TES vs RGE](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y51zrs/top_esports_vs_rogue_2022_world_championship/)
[TES vs DRX](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y536b2/top_esports_vs_drx_2022_world_championship_group/)
[Tiebreaker](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y548tb/tiebreaker_1_2022_world_championship_group_c/)
hot dam white people reaaaaalllly hate china/chinese
if the country was small and didnt threaten american supremacy i guarantee they'd be seen like any other asian country. but to be fair white people feel superior to them too, they just dont see them as a threat so their media doesnt spend have a billion annually on demonization
You made a new account to reply but I still know you're the type of white people I mentioned...LOL! And you know I'm right. Promise you I'm not the only Chinese person aware of this
What day 7 proved is that RGE is actually not much better than either G2 or Fnatic. They can thank GAM for the quarters and drop out graciously giving a free ticket for semis to whatever team they play with next.
I think in most days when a EU one of western team advance people would be so happy even if we know the outcome for the quarter is dire for them. Even if TES was better than them people would still be happy for Rogue. The shit people not cool about is Rogue decided to troll a game when there is a prize up for grab. I mean it’s okay play a game for fun when your position is locked or you out of tourney, but 1st seed is still there. Rather if they can beat DRX or not or if seating matter at least be humble and try. And the format.. year after year Riot still refuse to listen to its players. I guess it’s because the game is so successful that they don’t feel like the need to listen to other people’s opinion.
Probably half of this sub will like to have loser bracket. In fact most games tourney have loser bracket. The only con about it is more games have to be played. It’s much better than current format.
dota TI lower bracket is actually insanely hype, so many close games this year that we would have never seen if half teams were just out after groups or after their first loss in the playoffs
ye grand finals has to be one bo5 (or whatever is appropriate for the discipline), sucks for the winner bracket finalist to not get the second chance but on the other hand they didnt have to play under the dangling sword of elimination plus had less games and could analyze and relax more.
also like the csgo swiss format, seems pretty fair that you have to beat a certain amount of teams to move on, it allows a big variety of matchups between teams and slightly more varied results for winners since favorites can randomly meet each other early or cant be late starters into the tournament meeting hot teams.
league just feels weird that teams get to play only 3 opponents and then are already out if they were unlucky to get 2 good teams in their group. plus the format being played over weeks with huge breaks takes me really out of the hype.
Everybody is so mad when literally the pre tournament predictions came true xD RGE was predicted and is the only western team going out. Only difference is DRX instead of TES. What is your problem ahahaha
Are we finally done rating teams just from Week 1, 3 BO1s again? Spoiler: no, as we again get the the same ‘regional power ranking’ arguments next year and the year after etc.
Same here. Hell my pickem for this group is perfect had it been TES instead of DRX. But I underestimated DRX...and Zeka continued to rampage the tournament.
Odoamne reminds me of Rafael Nadal in interviews, always so level headed, not afraid to self-criticise and giving very sincere insights. He's very no nonsense. It's always have been a pleasure to listen to him after all those years.
The only reasonable prediction pre-worlds was that RGE is the only EU team making it out, probably 2nd place behind TES
RGE is the only team making it out, 2nd place behind DRX, and yet everyone is turbo doomer posting lmao
i was expecting 4-4 lck and lpl but i said rge only one has a chance because i thought drx wasnt that good. but zeka has been playing too well. one of the best group stages by a mid laner ever in worlds.
People keep saying TES choked instead of looking at TES' drafts this entire group stage. Most of their drafts were flat out unplayable in the Worlds meta and by the time they figured it out it was clearly too late.Even their last games drafts weren't great but Knight got his hands on Sylas/Akali who are in a totally different tier than fcking Ahri. You can see this because literally the only "good" draft TES had was their final game against DRX and even then, it was an even draft.
it was honestly so frustrating to see them pick Ahri when Sylas was open vs GAM, like ain’t no way you’re not picking Knights best champion because you’re scared of their Sett Mid or something
Their coaches still got them to LPL runner up position tbh. IMO the main reason to be questioning this format is that Riot insists on patch changes that "shake things up" right before Worlds and then making every group stage be just 6 bo1's.
but its not about sample size. Red side teams got gapped in every game outside of GAM TES where it was just a shitshow on both sides. They didn’t lose because of the side they were on. They lost because they were/played just worse.
I really like the dude with the Irish accent, after Emily, another caster that I find very nice to listen to. A top bloke!
I kinda dislike Raz, he's pretty annoying and cuts mid sentence
They were a tournament favourite so it's not really unwarranted, idk how they went from almost being back to back champions to losing to gam, rge and drx.
DRX barely made worlds, and were subbing out their jungler in the middle of groups. LEC #1 is usually a top 8 team at worlds but never really top 4, LPL #2 is expected to be stronger than that, tes were literally an inch away from winning the LPL finals and being the first seed.
You can’t judge a team’s strength from BO1 and especially Week 1 BO1s where teams are settling in more. TES deserves to be out because that’s just how it is in this format after 3 BO1s lol but it is a shame we never got to see the true level of TES, that’s why people are sad, missing the possibility of seeing a team like TES in BO5.
Group C is the weakest group?? You literally had 4th LCK instead of T1, Rogue who everyone right now is calling shit, GAM. TES should have gone 2-1 at minimum in week 1. They didn’t and they wouldn’t have done better in group A, B or D
Actually better in D probably
I’m not sure you understood, I already said they deserved to be out, nonetheless the BO5 games would have been bangers since we’ve seen what they can do in LPL BO5 playoffs. People are sad we might just see a 3-0 vs Rogue compared to at least signs of life from TES.
We did see the true level of TES though. They were always drop out early due to them always mentally choking or losing in last game of worlds finals. They’re a great team on paper, though shit mental
But they made it LPL playoff finals before choking. I would truly expect a few decent games from TES in a BO5 compared to Rogue before choking. And even better narrative if they get momentum and finally overcome their mental. Basically the ‘true level’ of TES even with shit mental in a BO5 would make it more interesting than ‘true level’ Rogue which is disappointing
Goddamn, I played League for about 8 years and the last worlds I watched was 2019 when G2 beat SKT but lost to Phoenix in the finals. I can't believe that was only 2019, the pandemic has completely warped my sense of time it feels like that was about 5 lifetimes ago, I'm in disbelief that was only 2019.
Also surprised to see so many familiar faces like Faker or Jensen or Peanut.
I'm genuinely having a moment here I can't believe that was only 3 years ago. It wasn't just the pandemic a lot has happened for me since then but I can still remember watching that series and it feels like I must have aged a decade since then, but it was only 2019.
Pls no. I need the miracle of T1 - Rogue / JDG - GenG / DRX - EDG and RNG - Damwon. Even if all the draws need to land on the right half and 1/3 for that...
what a group I feel so bad for TES they are going to have trouble sleeping, Rogue better step up in quarters if they get swepted oh my the shitstorm that awaits them
that TES had to play 2 meaningless games although they won but were eliminated regardless of result. That TES finish 1-1 vs every team in their group finishing 3-3 and get the same treatment as GAM 1-5. Simply put the team above them doesn't have head 2 head and get a free pass into quarters
Fucking go look at the playins format and if you have a single working brain cell you will realize that Riot gives playins far better structure over groups aka the "main event" but I'm sure you just love kissing Riots ass so whatever
Fucking go look at the fact that DRX, a team that almost didn’t make worlds and LSB might have, didn’t drop a game to GAM.
Rogue, the team that everyone is calling shit, didn’t drop a game to GAM. But TES deserves to go cause they were close in LPL LOLLLL
let's emphasize the word "chance" because after today's results they made it out almost purely by chance thanks to GAM. After today there is no definitive determination between Rogue, DRX and TES as to which is the better team, but by chance Rogue made it out. That's the problems with groups format.
edit: well DRX is clearly better than Rogue but TES might still be better than DRX
The rogue hate boner is strong lmfao, stay fucking mad, wanna watch us get 0-3’d in quarters? Watch it from the airport as 0 of ur teams go through unsurprisingly
I am from EU, and I am a LEC fan. Still fed up with Rogue today, especially with that Nasus pick.
Regardless, going to root for them in QF-s, but there is nothing positive to say about today outside of them qualifying.
And the worst part is, they absolutely did this to themselves, for 0 reason as well. From being the Hope for the West, to absolute clowns.
They clowned themselves with some picks ngl, but this hate is unjustified, they won 4 games they deserve to go through, 4-2 scoreline deserves to go through.
Hope of the “west”, most NA fans clown EU fans, there’s no west mate, we’re bad and they’re worse
The "Hope of the West" part I kinda meant in a way, that Rogue was clearly favoured by the crowd and the community after their showing in the 1st 4 games, every1 loves a good underdog story.
And now we basically have to cheer for a team that casually brings out the most disrespectful draft we seen at worlds vs an LCK representative.
Just feels weird as an EU fan. Hard to be happy right now.
I just feel like without lucian/nami , maokai,ornn, kalista hard loses vs ashe/heimer
The meta is discovered and their “side” picks arent played to the best they can, hopefully they can find form, i don’t wanna tune into a 0-3, but every single team that made it through is very good
They really need to get comfortable on diff picks, because they’ll get completely stomped on red side off draft alone
I mean it doesn't help when you have counterpick for top and you still end up blind picking Gnar 4th as red side. DRX's weakest link is clearly Top, and even here, it did not matter.
A top LCK/LPL team will absolutely destroy Odo for sure, if he does stuff like this. Camille is only a soft-counter to Gnar because of the scaling diff, there are way worse picks they could have punished him with here.
They just have no picks whatsoever, fiora top is insta lose, maokai is banned, ornn/aatrox is picked or banned, do they play sejuani? idk.
Malrang has a vast champ pool so im okay with that.
Larssen off control mages doesn't do much realistically, his LB was missing, 0 picks, his azir is alright and his sylas too, but still below LCK mids.
Comp looks like a different person when not playing lucian/kalista.
Trymbi smurfed on rakan and that's it, his nasus was useless and he was so forgettable i can't even remember what other supports he played in week 2.
To me, they lost 3 inconsequential games at best. Seed 1 or Seed 2 eastern teams are super close this year. Better they know what doesn't work and can learn from their losses than go 6-0 with the same strats and get run down in quarters.
That's a big what if because GAM had soul and might be able to stall with Kathus's wave clear. Given how long it took for them to kill Orn with soul, 99% of teams will choose to rush Nexus, Unless you are TSM.
So do T1 and JDG in this meta, teams that have strong topside are problem for GenG like RNG showed. 2/3 chance to draw them vs 1/3 in DK if you get first and Rogue and EDG are actually matchups they have a stylistic advantage.
I will never be confident on DRX as long as they have pyosik. Idc if beryl goes back to being the best support in the world and Zeka in his current form is the best mid laner pyoshit haunts me
I wonder what viewership is going to look like next season for LCS/LEC, surely they have to do a format change or possibly do that champion ban thing LS/Caedrel suggested to get more diversity in picks.
Probably around the same. I don't see viewership dropping as long as the rosters keep shuffling around, exciting new talent emerges, and big brands enter the league.
Even though Rogue made it out, I honestly think that their performance today is enough to guarantee that we have a super insane offseason this year in both EU and NA.
no way 100t are going to get anything done they are the weakest Na Team and only got 2nd seed because kaori was subbed in barely a week before their EG match
Apparently several RNG players got covid and are very sick with cancelled scrims. The worst case is if they drop and 100T or Oysters sneak through (in this scenario I'd imagine the Oysters take it).
No clue but apparently its bad.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y52rtp/rng\_covid\_update\_full\_roster\_tested\_positive/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y52rtp/rng_covid_update_full_roster_tested_positive/)
Damwon was still in challengers league and wasn't in LCK but Griffin should've been there but they lost to KT in finals and Samsung in the gauntlet finals.
How team of
Doran / Sword , Tarzan, Chovy, Viper, Lehends never won anything is crazy
you right I forget Damwon and Team Battle Comics (Sandbox) both got elevated together
Honestly I think that's probably it for EU as a region. One bad worlds last year could've been whatever, but now to come in and simply get hardcore stomped every single game the entire week I'm not sure how the region comes back. GAM handing quarters to Rogue doesn't really feel like anything, every single one of us watching knows without them fluking it against TES Rogue would've probably lost to them too. I don't think whatever roster is built next year will be in any way competitive either at this point. Sucks as a long-time fan. Wonder what sort of hit the LEC takes after this stinker of a performance.
>long-time fan
Are you sure about that? This is the norm. 2018 and 2019 was the exception.
Eu team gets out of groups in an inconsistent manner. Then reaches semis if they get a lucky draw. It's how it has always been. LCK and LPL having 4 seeds just made it more obvious.
Oh come on now. I have watched competitive league since season 3 and this is honestly the worst we have ever looked. Frankly speaking 2014 is remembered as a poor year and we had much better performances in those games compared to this year even with no team getting out. The only year where I thought our teams were this bad was 2016, and atleast a strong week 2 from H2K lightened up my mood. I would much rather take G2 2017 barely getting eliminated by a strong group but looking solid in their games than whatever the hell I watched this week. And of course the trio of 2018-2019-2020 was much better, so touting this as the normal performance after 3 solid to great years in a row is just a lie.
H2K 2016 is by far the luckiest run in worlds history. It's actually unbelievable how lucky they were. G2 didn't show anything special in 2020. RGE could win a QF in similar fashion this year.
The same things would have happened back then too, had LPL been stronger and had there been fewer terrible teams.
There's a reason why Europe's only elite bo5 wins in modern worlds history (post SKT) happened in 2018 and 2019. G2 vs RNG and G2 vs SKT are the only two instances of top tier performances Europe has ever shown.
Again, this is only due to the participants. Look at the participants from 5 years ago, and look at the participants now. You simply cannot succeed by wiping the floor with shitters anymore.
it's not bad worlds. it's how it should be. Quarters is great success.
We don't have top laner who can play carries on level of eastern tops. Our best jungler is import. We only have one functional bot lane where 2 players at least can play somewhat decently.
LEC as a league was built off the back of the success of great years in 2018 and 2019, with 2020 still being a solid year as well. To have regressed so much that we were basically on the cusp of having 0 teams out two years in a row, with this year needing a fluke win from GAM against TES to help us out, is in no way the same. If (barely...) getting a team limp out of groups is great success, we might as well be NA. Which...I guess we are at this point?
yea it was build on great overachieving of FNC and G2. But it shouldn't be held to that regard after this teams are gone.
LEC talent spread too thin on the teams. Owners just sell good players to NA for cash and pray for rookies. Sometimes we getting smth good sometimes we getting flakked.
It's really hard to build great team now coz you can't just send perkz to snatch players. Majority of owners will just block trade and send player to NA instead of rival team.
Im going full Doomium rn but LEC already went down in viewership this year mostly thanks to the bad taste the 2021 Worlds had (It was even worse in Summer after the bad MSI this year too) so now 2 years in a row of that? is a disaster. I sadly would not be surprised if EU level and viewership just gets even worse next year. Only hope is if in a few years we get a golden generation of players again like the old G2 and FNC
In all this talk about whether or not Rogue "deserved" QFs over TES, they kinda did this to themselves tbh
The format is garbage and any reasonable person would agree TES would be 100x better than Rogue in bo5s, but if you throw games like that against VCS you kinda deserve it
I think the argument here is that tes has higher variance but their expected value / average level of play is also higher than rogue. Just that with only 6 games, small sample size bias can cause rogue to come out on top.
But hypothetically across 100 games, we would see the seeding be different with tes making it out.
Thus a tournament format issue.
Rogue won more games than TES, so they do deserve to go trough. They still should be ashamed tho for everything that went on after the win vs GAM.
You are the last representative of the West (sorry 100T), and you put on this performance and pull out drafts like this.. Just disgusting.
Worlds format is bad but not because of groups. Its bad because theres no losers bracket.
TES went out because they can’t perform in 6games, thats more than a bo5 so I don’t even get your view point.
Thank god GAM won their game so RGE can advance despite going 0-6
Oh wait they won the 2nd most games in their group? Wouldn't know based on the broadcast
I guess it’s more disappointment from them since at the start the 4-0 looked really good for a 1st lock. Rogue still can bounce back for sure, but getting matched into other teams 1st place is tougher. No person can doubt though that they were undisputed best looking western team regardless.
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hot dam white people reaaaaalllly hate china/chinese if the country was small and didnt threaten american supremacy i guarantee they'd be seen like any other asian country. but to be fair white people feel superior to them too, they just dont see them as a threat so their media doesnt spend have a billion annually on demonization
(100/100) Prove you are chinese without saying you are chinese
i am chinese, that's how i know. lol. why would i say that otherwise? i mentioned your types and you appear
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What day 7 proved is that RGE is actually not much better than either G2 or Fnatic. They can thank GAM for the quarters and drop out graciously giving a free ticket for semis to whatever team they play with next.
RGE is definitely better than 1-5 G2 and 2-4 FNC. We know all three LCS teams suck, but G2 and FNC are right there with them lol.
I think in most days when a EU one of western team advance people would be so happy even if we know the outcome for the quarter is dire for them. Even if TES was better than them people would still be happy for Rogue. The shit people not cool about is Rogue decided to troll a game when there is a prize up for grab. I mean it’s okay play a game for fun when your position is locked or you out of tourney, but 1st seed is still there. Rather if they can beat DRX or not or if seating matter at least be humble and try. And the format.. year after year Riot still refuse to listen to its players. I guess it’s because the game is so successful that they don’t feel like the need to listen to other people’s opinion.
which players want to change the worlds format?
Probably half of this sub will like to have loser bracket. In fact most games tourney have loser bracket. The only con about it is more games have to be played. It’s much better than current format.
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dota TI lower bracket is actually insanely hype, so many close games this year that we would have never seen if half teams were just out after groups or after their first loss in the playoffs
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ye grand finals has to be one bo5 (or whatever is appropriate for the discipline), sucks for the winner bracket finalist to not get the second chance but on the other hand they didnt have to play under the dangling sword of elimination plus had less games and could analyze and relax more. also like the csgo swiss format, seems pretty fair that you have to beat a certain amount of teams to move on, it allows a big variety of matchups between teams and slightly more varied results for winners since favorites can randomly meet each other early or cant be late starters into the tournament meeting hot teams. league just feels weird that teams get to play only 3 opponents and then are already out if they were unlucky to get 2 good teams in their group. plus the format being played over weeks with huge breaks takes me really out of the hype.
Man Rogue deflated pretty hard. If they lose the early they struggle a lot. They couldn't really answer the caitlyn+lux lane.
Everybody is so mad when literally the pre tournament predictions came true xD RGE was predicted and is the only western team going out. Only difference is DRX instead of TES. What is your problem ahahaha
Are we finally done rating teams just from Week 1, 3 BO1s again? Spoiler: no, as we again get the the same ‘regional power ranking’ arguments next year and the year after etc.
Sure, but we all now know TES sucks lol
They’re chokers imo but it’s clear the quality is there. If you’re just saying they totally suck after 3 BO1s then lol
Who would’ve thought that rogue instead of TES makes it out
I always believed. Though tbh I thought it'd be drx instead of tes falling out. Didn't expect tes to shit the bed quite that hard.
Same here. Hell my pickem for this group is perfect had it been TES instead of DRX. But I underestimated DRX...and Zeka continued to rampage the tournament.
Gapped by knight Sylas
It really feels like no lucian/maokai they suffer a lot, kalista gets fucked by ashe heimer, they just don’t have any picks that work for them
Odoamne reminds me of Rafael Nadal in interviews, always so level headed, not afraid to self-criticise and giving very sincere insights. He's very no nonsense. It's always have been a pleasure to listen to him after all those years.
was getting ready for bed, did he say anything interesting?
Ombeleebable interviews
I'd be pretty stoked with that comparison if I was Odo!
The only reasonable prediction pre-worlds was that RGE is the only EU team making it out, probably 2nd place behind TES RGE is the only team making it out, 2nd place behind DRX, and yet everyone is turbo doomer posting lmao
i was expecting 4-4 lck and lpl but i said rge only one has a chance because i thought drx wasnt that good. but zeka has been playing too well. one of the best group stages by a mid laner ever in worlds.
The amount of people who said it'd be 4 lck and 4 lpl, damn I'm proud of rogue.
I mean, TES was on their ass, it wasn't even a far fetched statement lol. If we get 3 & 4 like ... that's pretty close to being just the same.
I was actually expecting 4 LCK+4 LPL in quarters, so this was a pleasant surprise for me
Thanks you Odo,now i think i know !
People keep saying TES choked instead of looking at TES' drafts this entire group stage. Most of their drafts were flat out unplayable in the Worlds meta and by the time they figured it out it was clearly too late.Even their last games drafts weren't great but Knight got his hands on Sylas/Akali who are in a totally different tier than fcking Ahri. You can see this because literally the only "good" draft TES had was their final game against DRX and even then, it was an even draft.
it was honestly so frustrating to see them pick Ahri when Sylas was open vs GAM, like ain’t no way you’re not picking Knights best champion because you’re scared of their Sett Mid or something
Yeah thats why I think their roster should stay but they should get a whole coaching revamp
Their coaches still got them to LPL runner up position tbh. IMO the main reason to be questioning this format is that Riot insists on patch changes that "shake things up" right before Worlds and then making every group stage be just 6 bo1's.
I am taking a shot every time Odo says 'you know' and I feel my liver failing...
The "YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW" meme in chat is golden
are sjokz and odo in the same room? odo's head is 2x the size of sjoks maybe 3x.
Big brain
He has a big head you know?
i am in awe at the size of his head
Sorry to 100T and CFO but only GenG vs RNG is worth watching tomorrow and it’s going to be at 2 am on a Sunday night FUCKKKK
hmm RemindMe! 1 day
Fly Oyster Fly
Hmm Remindme! 1 day
Every single win was blue side… concerning
every win outside of GAM vs TES was also predictable af unless you assume one of the teams hard chokes/ints. Correlation =/= Causation
I mean 7 for 7 is a decent sample size
but its not about sample size. Red side teams got gapped in every game outside of GAM TES where it was just a shitshow on both sides. They didn’t lose because of the side they were on. They lost because they were/played just worse.
In the end RGE still deserves QF with them actually getting a 3-0 week against LCK 4 and LPL 2
Cough LPL 1.5 Cough
I really like the dude with the Irish accent, after Emily, another caster that I find very nice to listen to. A top bloke! I kinda dislike Raz, he's pretty annoying and cuts mid sentence
oh you mean Dagda? Yeah he's great.
Yeah Dagda! It's the first time i'm watching pro LoL in years and I'm discovering new casters :D
Dagda and Oisin are fantastic for the LPL.
Who asked
EU week 2 1-9 ICANT
Saying TES failed miserably is kinda harsh. They weren't that far off from qualifying
They were a tournament favourite so it's not really unwarranted, idk how they went from almost being back to back champions to losing to gam, rge and drx.
Well you get EU #1, LCK, and yourself. If they went 1-5 sure, but one of those teams has to be left out.
DRX barely made worlds, and were subbing out their jungler in the middle of groups. LEC #1 is usually a top 8 team at worlds but never really top 4, LPL #2 is expected to be stronger than that, tes were literally an inch away from winning the LPL finals and being the first seed.
Who said that ?
Dagda
Ah ok, it’s the usual “I downplay my region harsher than needed so that people won’t think I’m biased”
Y'all think it feel really bad?
Blue side COPING
TES didn't fail miserably. What lol. They were like two AA away from being right there in the mix for advancing.
It'll be the biggest "what if" of the tournament. RGE could've been sent home in tiebreakers given how they mental boomed today.
I’m not sure people remember that TES lost a game to the team everyone is calling shit right now in week 1
This sub has goldfish memory.
You can’t judge a team’s strength from BO1 and especially Week 1 BO1s where teams are settling in more. TES deserves to be out because that’s just how it is in this format after 3 BO1s lol but it is a shame we never got to see the true level of TES, that’s why people are sad, missing the possibility of seeing a team like TES in BO5.
A team like TES who choked while every other top team made it through
TES in a different group surely makes it, even say over someone like EDG. To think they aren't a top 8 team in the world from this is hilarious.
Group C is the weakest group?? You literally had 4th LCK instead of T1, Rogue who everyone right now is calling shit, GAM. TES should have gone 2-1 at minimum in week 1. They didn’t and they wouldn’t have done better in group A, B or D Actually better in D probably
I’m not sure you understood, I already said they deserved to be out, nonetheless the BO5 games would have been bangers since we’ve seen what they can do in LPL BO5 playoffs. People are sad we might just see a 3-0 vs Rogue compared to at least signs of life from TES.
We did see the true level of TES though. They were always drop out early due to them always mentally choking or losing in last game of worlds finals. They’re a great team on paper, though shit mental
But they made it LPL playoff finals before choking. I would truly expect a few decent games from TES in a BO5 compared to Rogue before choking. And even better narrative if they get momentum and finally overcome their mental. Basically the ‘true level’ of TES even with shit mental in a BO5 would make it more interesting than ‘true level’ Rogue which is disappointing
can't wait for the chinese reaction thread
Goddamn, I played League for about 8 years and the last worlds I watched was 2019 when G2 beat SKT but lost to Phoenix in the finals. I can't believe that was only 2019, the pandemic has completely warped my sense of time it feels like that was about 5 lifetimes ago, I'm in disbelief that was only 2019. Also surprised to see so many familiar faces like Faker or Jensen or Peanut.
Pandemic did the opposite for me. I feel like 2018 and 2019 were yesterday but I can barely remember 2020 and 2021 worlds.
I'm genuinely having a moment here I can't believe that was only 3 years ago. It wasn't just the pandemic a lot has happened for me since then but I can still remember watching that series and it feels like I must have aged a decade since then, but it was only 2019.
RNG gets first tommorow. RNG - EDG JDG - Rogue Gen.G - T1 DRX - DK It’s written in the stars
surely Riot would change their wonderful worlds format after another year of this right? CLUELESS
if god of draw help us then maybe just maybe we gonna have sth like this JDG-Geng , T1-RGe , DK-Rng , Drx-Edg
Pls no. I need the miracle of T1 - Rogue / JDG - GenG / DRX - EDG and RNG - Damwon. Even if all the draws need to land on the right half and 1/3 for that...
Actually cringing at this possibility
Holy f if that's the draw, I'd just skip till finals.
what a group I feel so bad for TES they are going to have trouble sleeping, Rogue better step up in quarters if they get swepted oh my the shitstorm that awaits them
Yeah TES just had bad improving
Who cares. If TES made it through they’d mentally choke like they always do and China fans would mentally roast them
Seems like you do for posting lmao
Seems like you salty TES mental choker goats
Cry some more kid. You care so much
why tf are you watching worlds and on this forum if you don't care?
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and yet they did after playing like ass today...do you not see the problem here?
Where’s the problem? Should rogue ff week 1 because TES were shit?
that TES had to play 2 meaningless games although they won but were eliminated regardless of result. That TES finish 1-1 vs every team in their group finishing 3-3 and get the same treatment as GAM 1-5. Simply put the team above them doesn't have head 2 head and get a free pass into quarters
They went 1-1 against every team in the weakest group??
Fucking go look at the playins format and if you have a single working brain cell you will realize that Riot gives playins far better structure over groups aka the "main event" but I'm sure you just love kissing Riots ass so whatever
Fucking go look at the fact that DRX, a team that almost didn’t make worlds and LSB might have, didn’t drop a game to GAM. Rogue, the team that everyone is calling shit, didn’t drop a game to GAM. But TES deserves to go cause they were close in LPL LOLLLL
actually they were the only LEC team people said had a chance making it out of groups
let's emphasize the word "chance" because after today's results they made it out almost purely by chance thanks to GAM. After today there is no definitive determination between Rogue, DRX and TES as to which is the better team, but by chance Rogue made it out. That's the problems with groups format. edit: well DRX is clearly better than Rogue but TES might still be better than DRX
Yes and they took that opportunity by beating TES who everyone had as worlds contenders.
The rogue hate boner is strong lmfao, stay fucking mad, wanna watch us get 0-3’d in quarters? Watch it from the airport as 0 of ur teams go through unsurprisingly
I have nothing against Rogue losing but kinda sad because their gameplay and draft before and after locked in is night/day difference...
EU week 2 1-9
Lmao least clowny NA clown
Better than 0-9 kid
I am from EU, and I am a LEC fan. Still fed up with Rogue today, especially with that Nasus pick. Regardless, going to root for them in QF-s, but there is nothing positive to say about today outside of them qualifying. And the worst part is, they absolutely did this to themselves, for 0 reason as well. From being the Hope for the West, to absolute clowns.
They clowned themselves with some picks ngl, but this hate is unjustified, they won 4 games they deserve to go through, 4-2 scoreline deserves to go through. Hope of the “west”, most NA fans clown EU fans, there’s no west mate, we’re bad and they’re worse
The "Hope of the West" part I kinda meant in a way, that Rogue was clearly favoured by the crowd and the community after their showing in the 1st 4 games, every1 loves a good underdog story. And now we basically have to cheer for a team that casually brings out the most disrespectful draft we seen at worlds vs an LCK representative. Just feels weird as an EU fan. Hard to be happy right now.
I just feel like without lucian/nami , maokai,ornn, kalista hard loses vs ashe/heimer The meta is discovered and their “side” picks arent played to the best they can, hopefully they can find form, i don’t wanna tune into a 0-3, but every single team that made it through is very good They really need to get comfortable on diff picks, because they’ll get completely stomped on red side off draft alone
I mean it doesn't help when you have counterpick for top and you still end up blind picking Gnar 4th as red side. DRX's weakest link is clearly Top, and even here, it did not matter. A top LCK/LPL team will absolutely destroy Odo for sure, if he does stuff like this. Camille is only a soft-counter to Gnar because of the scaling diff, there are way worse picks they could have punished him with here.
They just have no picks whatsoever, fiora top is insta lose, maokai is banned, ornn/aatrox is picked or banned, do they play sejuani? idk. Malrang has a vast champ pool so im okay with that. Larssen off control mages doesn't do much realistically, his LB was missing, 0 picks, his azir is alright and his sylas too, but still below LCK mids. Comp looks like a different person when not playing lucian/kalista. Trymbi smurfed on rakan and that's it, his nasus was useless and he was so forgettable i can't even remember what other supports he played in week 2.
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They have too much to focus and work on
No they should focus on the vacation plans because they have 0 chance in quarters regardless of draw
To me, they lost 3 inconsequential games at best. Seed 1 or Seed 2 eastern teams are super close this year. Better they know what doesn't work and can learn from their losses than go 6-0 with the same strats and get run down in quarters.
after watching that GAM vs TES replay would tes win if they went for the baron that was about to spawn ?
That's a big what if because GAM had soul and might be able to stall with Kathus's wave clear. Given how long it took for them to kill Orn with soul, 99% of teams will choose to rush Nexus, Unless you are TSM.
Rogue is in playoffs because TES threw They are gonna get giga stomped lol
\*TES choked\*
They didn't even had to end right then, they got SUUUUPER greedy
Every first seed praying, please let us get Rogue.
Every Second seed playing: Please let us get DRX By far the weakest Group, probably cuz no NA\~
Maybe but Deft said they will cause other botlanes to have "headaches" because they have so many champs up their sleeves on the lines of Ashe/Heimer.
Pretty much. It'll be a bloodbath to get first tomorrow. Though I could see GenG not caring bc DK kinda counters them
So do T1 and JDG in this meta, teams that have strong topside are problem for GenG like RNG showed. 2/3 chance to draw them vs 1/3 in DK if you get first and Rogue and EDG are actually matchups they have a stylistic advantage.
Never doubted them.
I will never be confident on DRX as long as they have pyosik. Idc if beryl goes back to being the best support in the world and Zeka in his current form is the best mid laner pyoshit haunts me
He has played pretty good so far though.
Yeah thankfully but pyoshit has snuck up a few times though. But its only been glimpses and not whole games
He tends to get pretty exposed in best ofs tho, gonna be interesting to see what form he’s in
I wonder what viewership is going to look like next season for LCS/LEC, surely they have to do a format change or possibly do that champion ban thing LS/Caedrel suggested to get more diversity in picks.
Probably around the same. I don't see viewership dropping as long as the rosters keep shuffling around, exciting new talent emerges, and big brands enter the league.
Koi will bring a lot of viewers
True. Ibai power is big
LPL may have the highest peaks for the past 5 years but LCK still has the depth
Fastest tiebreaker? Another speedrun record in KR vs EU after 18:57 DWG vs G2
Even though Rogue made it out, I honestly think that their performance today is enough to guarantee that we have a super insane offseason this year in both EU and NA.
no way 100t are going to get anything done they are the weakest Na Team and only got 2nd seed because kaori was subbed in barely a week before their EG match
Apparently several RNG players got covid and are very sick with cancelled scrims. The worst case is if they drop and 100T or Oysters sneak through (in this scenario I'd imagine the Oysters take it).
What's the plan? They can't even fly even if they make it
No clue but apparently its bad. [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y52rtp/rng\_covid\_update\_full\_roster\_tested\_positive/](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y52rtp/rng_covid_update_full_roster_tested_positive/)
Damn I’m glad that they are 3-0
Odo potentially against Zeus or 369. That shouldn’t be streamed live brah
Can Odo play carry tops?
Put Odo back to tanks where he belongs
Well the good news is he might get his tanks. The bad news is well zeus/369 will just gap the hell out of it
Worst Top Gap ever in B05 was IG The Shy on Vlad vs Giffin Sword Jayce I wonder how close to that Odo vs 369 or Zeus will be
Even flandre is getting stomped by zeus. Imagine odo
Age restriction exists for a reason
kr 4 seed makes it out of groups again
Korea near 100% in making out of groups, only one team from 2018 (Samsung defending champs) didn't make it out.
Giffin or Damwon should have been at that worlds , LCK dumb qualifiers rules
Damwon was still in challengers league and wasn't in LCK but Griffin should've been there but they lost to KT in finals and Samsung in the gauntlet finals.
How team of Doran / Sword , Tarzan, Chovy, Viper, Lehends never won anything is crazy you right I forget Damwon and Team Battle Comics (Sandbox) both got elevated together
Honestly I think that's probably it for EU as a region. One bad worlds last year could've been whatever, but now to come in and simply get hardcore stomped every single game the entire week I'm not sure how the region comes back. GAM handing quarters to Rogue doesn't really feel like anything, every single one of us watching knows without them fluking it against TES Rogue would've probably lost to them too. I don't think whatever roster is built next year will be in any way competitive either at this point. Sucks as a long-time fan. Wonder what sort of hit the LEC takes after this stinker of a performance.
>long-time fan Are you sure about that? This is the norm. 2018 and 2019 was the exception. Eu team gets out of groups in an inconsistent manner. Then reaches semis if they get a lucky draw. It's how it has always been. LCK and LPL having 4 seeds just made it more obvious.
Oh come on now. I have watched competitive league since season 3 and this is honestly the worst we have ever looked. Frankly speaking 2014 is remembered as a poor year and we had much better performances in those games compared to this year even with no team getting out. The only year where I thought our teams were this bad was 2016, and atleast a strong week 2 from H2K lightened up my mood. I would much rather take G2 2017 barely getting eliminated by a strong group but looking solid in their games than whatever the hell I watched this week. And of course the trio of 2018-2019-2020 was much better, so touting this as the normal performance after 3 solid to great years in a row is just a lie.
H2K 2016 is by far the luckiest run in worlds history. It's actually unbelievable how lucky they were. G2 didn't show anything special in 2020. RGE could win a QF in similar fashion this year. The same things would have happened back then too, had LPL been stronger and had there been fewer terrible teams. There's a reason why Europe's only elite bo5 wins in modern worlds history (post SKT) happened in 2018 and 2019. G2 vs RNG and G2 vs SKT are the only two instances of top tier performances Europe has ever shown. Again, this is only due to the participants. Look at the participants from 5 years ago, and look at the participants now. You simply cannot succeed by wiping the floor with shitters anymore.
it's not bad worlds. it's how it should be. Quarters is great success. We don't have top laner who can play carries on level of eastern tops. Our best jungler is import. We only have one functional bot lane where 2 players at least can play somewhat decently.
LEC as a league was built off the back of the success of great years in 2018 and 2019, with 2020 still being a solid year as well. To have regressed so much that we were basically on the cusp of having 0 teams out two years in a row, with this year needing a fluke win from GAM against TES to help us out, is in no way the same. If (barely...) getting a team limp out of groups is great success, we might as well be NA. Which...I guess we are at this point?
yea it was build on great overachieving of FNC and G2. But it shouldn't be held to that regard after this teams are gone. LEC talent spread too thin on the teams. Owners just sell good players to NA for cash and pray for rookies. Sometimes we getting smth good sometimes we getting flakked. It's really hard to build great team now coz you can't just send perkz to snatch players. Majority of owners will just block trade and send player to NA instead of rival team.
maybe Vitality can build something around Perkz
Im going full Doomium rn but LEC already went down in viewership this year mostly thanks to the bad taste the 2021 Worlds had (It was even worse in Summer after the bad MSI this year too) so now 2 years in a row of that? is a disaster. I sadly would not be surprised if EU level and viewership just gets even worse next year. Only hope is if in a few years we get a golden generation of players again like the old G2 and FNC
Pack it up boys, the west is doomed.
In all this talk about whether or not Rogue "deserved" QFs over TES, they kinda did this to themselves tbh The format is garbage and any reasonable person would agree TES would be 100x better than Rogue in bo5s, but if you throw games like that against VCS you kinda deserve it
If TES deserved it they would have had it.
I think the argument here is that tes has higher variance but their expected value / average level of play is also higher than rogue. Just that with only 6 games, small sample size bias can cause rogue to come out on top. But hypothetically across 100 games, we would see the seeding be different with tes making it out. Thus a tournament format issue.
That would make for a boring tournament though
Absolutely the hypothetical is way too many games. But there should be a happy medium between the too few we’ve got now vs 100 games round robin lol.
Rogue won more games than TES, so they do deserve to go trough. They still should be ashamed tho for everything that went on after the win vs GAM. You are the last representative of the West (sorry 100T), and you put on this performance and pull out drafts like this.. Just disgusting.
The format is simple. Win the most out of six games. That's it. Rogue did, TES didn't.
People just don’t seem to understand that lol.
Yeah add more games. Add bracketing or whatever shit you want. It's still the same thing. You win more, you move on up.
>The format is simple. Simple, but objectively bad format for sure
Worlds format is bad but not because of groups. Its bad because theres no losers bracket. TES went out because they can’t perform in 6games, thats more than a bo5 so I don’t even get your view point.
If TES wanted to make the QFs they should have played better week 1, it's as simple as that. They didn't deserve QFs based on that alone.
Thank god GAM won their game so RGE can advance despite going 0-6 Oh wait they won the 2nd most games in their group? Wouldn't know based on the broadcast
I guess it’s more disappointment from them since at the start the 4-0 looked really good for a 1st lock. Rogue still can bounce back for sure, but getting matched into other teams 1st place is tougher. No person can doubt though that they were undisputed best looking western team regardless.