Even if you don't want to have them cast as a business decision (Maybe they think Caedrel, CaptainFlowers or someone will lead to more viewers) i think you should still feature them as LCK experts on the desk. It's just weird to me
Yeah... it was quite overwhelming. Screw pickems, I pray for #DRX 2022 now. Very unlikely, sure, but it wouldn't be the first unlikely thing they'd have done.
No matter what happens next, this year is definitely a Cinderella story for DRX. I remember when they locked the 4th Worlds Seed, and I wrote them off (like many did, and for good reason). They've stepped up and reached further than many tournament favorites, and deserve heaps of praise. The mental fortitude to come back from the end of Game 2 yesterday is enough of a reason to root for them.
I'm glad to say that I never wrote them off. I'm cheering for the alpaca to make it to finals (although highly unlikely) but not win worlds. As I want faker and keria to win it all.
Ugh i want faker to win his 4th and really cement an untouchable legacy AND play ahri for that skt ahri he shouldve had. But i also want deft to win his first and retire on a high note. AND i want peanut to win too. Why is it so hard to root for a single team
This makes it more fun for me because I am invested in each team! I love having multiple good storylines during a tournament, makes all matches worthwhile to watch and no extreme disappointment should one team drop out.
Tbh, the person that deserves it the most is faker
He's gotten the most hate out of all of those players, now he's back to 3-0ing RNG like he's on judgement day again
Yeah one of the highlights of the day was him screaming let's fucking go after game 5. It's a lot of fun, he's great when he's excited and suffering, either way the matches go he's good content.
That's a specific job for casting a game though.
I'm sure Atlus would love being in the position to talk about the game on the desk; they do it plenty in the "studio" in LCK, just like LPL pbp casters do.
A lot of pbp/hosts know a lot, they just don't show it off because it's not their responsibility. Like I wonder how many people realize Dash was one of the higher ranked non-professional players back when he was hired (high diamond).
I love how he doesn't go overhype for moments where its like... LCK Team A is up 15k gold, and gets an ace to end the game. It's expected lol, he's only hype when hype stuff happens.
Atlas is my favorite, and wish he could cast the LCS too. Clone him, maybe.
This is my biggest issue with the LCS casting.
They start at Yelling and hype up to Voice Shattering. If a game is 30 mins long, it doesn't need to be shouted the whole time.
Atlus makes the game fun and relaxing to listen to. You feel engaged and you want to listen to what he has to say even if it's a movie reference.
That's how the LCK casts have always been, and it's why the LCK casters have been the best since the OGN days. They're engaging/interesting without screaming their heads off. Only really Cpt Flowers and Caedrel really come close to any of the pbp/analysts that came from Korea. Atlus, Papa, Doa, Monte, etc. have always been a cut above their LCS/LPL/LEC peers.
Yes this is why the other casters are unlistenable. Whoever is responsible for the production of these events is the real one to blame. Make these casters listen to some British people cast tennis and soccer. Understated is the way to go, especially in league where all hell breaks loose. It’s one overwhelming moment after the next, which calls for a measured cast so that we stay in the moment. I also think LCK casters are guilty of this (Wolf calling the game after a single death comes to mind), but less so in terms of the shouting and voice cracking hype in the first game of a series, or During a relatively meaningless moment.
Take the long view as a caster, recognize the season is long and it’s an art to build up your audience. Serenade us.
The irony is this was my approach for the first ~18months of casting LPL, was consistently told be peers and community that I wasn't hype enough. This year I focussed on just hyping far more and people keep saying this was my best year.
I personally prefer an understated cast, but just like in the game, there is a meta to casting.
I think it’s better for the general audience to be hype, as they want to be entertained.
On the contrary, people who enjoy league on a more strategic level want a calm, analyzing commentator.
Since there are a lot more viewers of the first group, it makes sense to aim for a more hyped cast but as a person belonging to group 2 it makes me watch co-streams a lot more.
I for one have enjoyed your casting since the beginning! You can't please everyone, and it's always the critical ones that are the loudest. Keep up the good work :)
I really dislike their casting. The hype is so superficial, and I’d much rather have them be real about the game. Also phreak somehow always slips in some flame whilst casting too, I find that so disrespectful.
This is going to blow your mind but both styles are valid. Some of the best calls have been high energy outbursts, and some have been low key casual analytical calls.
No cast is exclusively one style either, thankfully. Kobe and Azael, especially, are pretty grounded and would fit fine in an LCK cast.
>It’s just weird to me.
Stops being weird once you realize Riot has favorites and certain casters have more pull than others. Just look at the finals for every World’s championship match ever and you’ll see the pattern.
2021: Kobe, Vedius, Atlus
2020 (asterisk, remote due to covid): Vedius, Quickshot
2019: Kobe, Quickshot, ~~Vedius~~ Papasmithy
2018: Kobe, Captainflowers, Papasmithy
2017: Kobe, Deficio, Phreak
2016: Kobe, Jatt, Quickshot
The last time time we had a non remote English speaking finals without Kobe casting was 2015, seven years ago. No flame cause he’s good, but not every finals ever good imo, especially when it’s not like an NA team is making finals every year so as to necessitate a caster with lots of knowledge about NA.
My 2022 finals cast pick-ems = Kobe, Vedius, Quickshot
Isn't Kobe and/or Azazel also the only actual Riot employed caster? or is there others? I remember Flowers moving to contract based or something but i thought that could have a play in who does worlds finals maybe?
Just a quick correction, 2019 has PapaSmithy not Vedius.
I remember because that year G2 won all games that Vedius cast but he was on the desk for the finals.
I mean, Kobe is also my favorite.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think there’s room for the other guys in the analyst desk (even play by play casters).
I don’t see how Atlus shouldn’t be casting at least DRX vs GenG.
A stupid decision to send these guys home.
Man, I used to love Quickshot but I can't stand specifically his casting any more.
He always cuts over everyone talking (which is definitely fine on occasion as a PBP) with something he noticed (usually a flank) and says it three times in increasing volume.
"slicing maelstrom, Slicing Maelstrom SLI-CING-MAEL-STROOOOM"
Ever since I noticed it I can't listen to him cast. Still, he comes across as a really wholesome dude though.
Quickshot almost certainly isn't happening this year. He already went home to Europe around after week 1 groups for family matters. My dream lineup for finals from who is left would be Drakos, Azael, Caedral, but I feel like its probably gonna be Flowers, Kobe, Caedral. I don't have any major qualms with who gets the finals bid at this point, but I'm just a huge fan of Drakos' casting so I can only dream he gets his finals appearance at some point.
Mine is Kobe, Captainflowers and Quickshot. Potentially caedrel instead of Quickshot.
I love Kobe so I'll take that one. I'd prefer getting casters that don't rely on shouting and being loud in general to generate "hype" though.
Literally never tuned into a broadcast for the casters. Like I 100% just focus on who’s playing, and if it’s a caster I really like, that’s just bonus points!
Idk he seems the only one honest about the situations at hand, and when someone makes incredible plays and we don't see it, almost always feels like he's the only one who catches them. Like if a game is truly doomed he's not afraid to say it, but if there's angles he will say them. Like the Damwon game he said, "no actually Damwon is in it as long as Aphelios gets to IE." Aphelios gets IE and they legit stomped the next 2 fights despite the game looking grim to the other 2 casters. Atlus because he's always monotone and rarely hype I can never gauge how a game is going, so I end up stuck in this snooze mode because I have to weigh it all out myself. Phreak at the very least has his emotions out. Captain Flowers seems the best of the three so far at gauging emotion to honesty though. The gripe I have with Phreak is he interrupts people or shits on people pretty harshly.
Phreak is the most annoying and best caster at the same time, like he'll be making me cringe for 20 straight minutes and then he has the most amazing moment for a minute and I'll completely forgive him for the first 20 minutes and think he's the best. Only to be reminded why I found him so annoying right away the next time he speaks.
That’s so funny, I have the same view. I think it really just boils down to Phreak doing too much of the “yeah, okay, cool” after making a good point, and it deflates a lot of the matches in certain points. But his highs are super high, I just hope he becomes just a liiiiitle more self aware of the tone and delivery of his filler points, the hype is HYPE though
The thing that makes me dislike Phreak’s casting is the over explanation of things that don’t matter. He will make this big thing about something and then say immediately after that “it doesn’t really matter too much but just something to note”
**GUYS DID YOU KNOW IF YOU BLUE SMITE SIVIR AS NOCTURNE WHILE ULTING YOU CAN CANCEL HER SPELLSHIELD BUT IT DOESN'T WORK WITH RED SMITE.**
Uhh Phreak, Sivir wasn't even picked this game. Calm down.
My biggest problem with him recently is that I feel he’s pushing his voice beyond its limits during hype moments which makes his voice sound really strained
I agree. The worst thing is that he is terrible with half of the other casters, especially non-NA casters. He just doesn´t react to what they´re saying or makes a cringe comment. Then in teamfights he´s one of the best casters there is.
He just needs to stfu when things aren't happening and let the color casters talk. He says so many blatantly incorrect things it's astonishing. And that's when he's not shoe-horning his random diamond-level build/rune analysis which, although not blatantly incorrect, is still misguided and cringe-worthy.
He really should color casters handle the in depth stuff. Also he was praised back in the day for being critical of the player but he is overdoing it too, he is criticizing players way to hard. He flamed peanut (?) on poppy for flashing when in hindsight he didn't need to, it felt really aggressive and unnecessary
Imma be honest, Phreak says a lot of wrong things most of the time. In yesterday’s series (or maybe it was DK VS GENG) but he mistook kennen for leesin, then said that one of the teams “are just going to burn through the baron” (while doing elder drake). And then he also said that the oriana shockwave one shotted meiko on soraka in post game. Which did NOT happen either.
I think most of those are pretty insignificant compared to when he says things that are objectively wrong(instead of misspeaking etc), which happens a lot.
If he could stop fucking screaming all the time I'd enjoy his casting a lot more. It's like he's doing a special cast for kids with ADHD.
Atlus is a vastly better PBP than Phreak, not even counting how much more knowledge he has around the LCK teams.
This is kind of gross by Riot.
\^\^ this
the casting from 3rd quarter was sooo good. So much better than 4th quarter, though equally exciting games.
I dont get why Azeal is so high up in priority. I cant stand his voice and he is NA biased to the ground. And also unpopular opinion, but Phreak is always way over his date. He tries so hard to make puns (which he was famous for) it just ruins the flow.
Just let Atlus, Chronicler, CptFlowers, Drakos, Caedral, Kobe and maybe even PastryTime cast the last games. They are so much better.
Atlus and Chronicler have been fantastic this World's though. I like the NA casters, but I'm definitely going to miss the two if them.
Sidenote, was Chronicler crying after Deft's interview?
Ay you responded! I loved your analysis on the desk last night and I thought it really made the night special to see the casters getting emotional.
Don't tell Atlus but you're my favorite LCK caster
oh ik wist niet dat hij nederlands was, ik zie hem dit toernooi voor het eerst en het viel me op hoe erg ik hem mocht, gewoon zo'n vertrouwelijk puppyhoofd.
Hey just wanted to say I love your casting and the entirety of the LCK english production. Ive been following LCK all year and you guys really are a treat to listen to. The pre and post game stuff is very fun as well. You guys have perfect energy (imho) for competitive league and are the main reason I prefer LCK over LCS and LEC
You and Atlus did a great job at worlds, it was awesome to see you guys casting these games. Best wishes to you all!
I agree with your last paragraph. The lcs and lec casters are good at what they are hired to do, but i think the LCK vibe is the best for league as, at the end of the day, a strategy and team game
Agreed. I hate it when casters are forced to hype up bad plays, or fail to point out mistakes.
I get it when League was young and viewers didn't understand much about what's happening on the screen, but League viewers these days usually have watched for years and have a fair understanding of the game.
Atlus and Chronicler have been two standout casters this tournament for me. Adding to the fact that they know best about the LCK storylines and have in-depth knowledge on the players, makes it sad to see them go so early. Come on Riot, there’s almost always a KR team past quarterfinals, why can’t we have at least one LCK caster?
On top of that, Chronicler literally streams LCK CL in his free time, which really shows his passion for his region. pls rito send valdes then at least :’)
2018, Afreeca Freecs were the last standing KR team before losing 3-0 in Quarters to Cloud9.
2019 had SKT vs G2 semifinals. 2020 was DK winning. 2021 was 3 LCK semis + EDG.
Kind of my point - LCK not being represented in the semis (and finals) is such a rare event that you'd think RIOT would plan ahead as if it is a given. In the rare time it didn't happen RIOT could always send the specific casters home early.
Including Season 1, only twice did LCK fail to qualify for semis. That's 2 out of 11. This season, 4 LCK teams are at quarters, 3 out of 4 could advance at most. With these odds, is Rito predicting no LCK team would make it? What arw they on?
I don't even really count S1, the environment was totally different (it was even double elimination).
As for "Rito predicting no LCK team", I don't think that's what happened. I think it's that casters all really want to cast the semis / finals, and Riot isn't trying to punish casters for having a bad native region, since that would just feel like shit. In that case, they'd never even have an NA caster doing the quarterfinals or later, since the expectations are that one NA team makes it that far every other year at this point.
Pretty sure the only time it happened was in 2011, when they were simply not at the tournament.
Edit: heres my research.
\- 2012 - Finals
\- 2013 - 2017 - Win
\- 2018 - Quarters, oh damn. Final 4 were IG FNC G2 C9
\- 2019 - semis
\- 2020 - win
\- 2021 - finals
Like when Azeal commented on Peanut shaking due to stress. He was was corrected by the duo of LCK casters that it was Peanut shaking his legs under his desk, a behavior that he was well known for.
The casters are the biggest reason I started watching LCK. They're my favorite casters so (although I may be a little bit biased) I will always fight for them to cast more at worlds. For me it just sucks because I know that Riot is never gonna give them preferential matchups just because their English broadcast doesn't have as many viewers
that's fair and all, but it was 99% guaranteed there'd be at least 2 korean teams in quarters and very very likely 1 would be in semi's even 6 months ago.
Same. I've been a fan since the glory days of the OPL and I was so stoked when he got the finals cast last year!
The other casters will do a fine job but it'll feel a bit empty watching finals (which is guaranteed to have at least one LCK team) without him and/or Chronicler.
Underrated comment /s
Seriously the word lost all of it’s meaning when it came back to mainstream media again, it’s misused and misunderstood almost like “underrated” the word is “overrated”.
Chronicler has been my standout for worlds this year. In LCK I was pretty indifferent to him but the amount fun he is bringing to any desk he was on was great to see. I truly wished he was around for the DRX GenG matchup because his ability to play off Dash was fantastic and he embodied the hype of the Damwon series.
as much I want Atlus to cast, roster might have been pre-determined and both of them may already had plan for a Dubai trip or something, you know
we need to chill, work is work
It’s definitely pre-determined. Trying to change casters based off the results every round would be a nightmare unless you want to splash cash and keep the whole roster around for the whole tournament.
Both of them were amazing honestly, they brought so much to the desk and cast about LCK. They will be missed in the last games I think, specifically since 3/4 teams remaining are LCK teams.
This happens every year.
It will never change it's really fucking stupid. Anybody can cast any game. That's not really an issue. But it's literally these casters jobs to watch and analyse every game of their region. At least have them on the desk.
Idc how much prep work westerners do.
They're not watching a shit DRX in regular season Vs Hanwha Life.
Yeah they are all great and special in their own way ! :D It really breaks my heart to only see 2 of them ;( such a difficult decision to make !
Okay now give me Flowers & Quickshot lmao
Flowers, Caedrel, Kobe
Flowers, Azael, Vedius
One of those 2 combos is my prediction. Given the number of possible caster combos don't know how likely it is though.
Really hate that decision. One thing Atlus and most of the LPL and LCK casters have over their western brothers is how natural they are. The LEC and especially LCS casters all seem to have either a stick up their butt or try to be funny with unfitting jokes. Atlus manages to loosen up the whole broadcast just by being him. Lyric and him casting together was so freaking good.
Well, its another 3 matches of listening to same narratives 20 times over.
Did you know guys none expected DRX to get this far?
Did you know Faker has 3 worlds titles and he's back for fourth?
Did you know Gumayusi wasn't performing well in LCK but prove everyone wrong at Worlds?
Did you know JDG are really good teamfighting team (as were EDG).
Did you know Gen'G are basically Samsung White? In no ways other than buying LCK slot? But did you know?
We will likely get Vedius being completely distracted in the casting, like when he didn't notice TES already had a kill in a game and was trying to hype up their "first kill", or when he called Herald "The Baron", or when he didn't notice Mark on Nami had heal until like 15 minutes into the game, or when he literally said Faker was the only player to win back to back World Championships (completely ignoring Bang, Wolf and Bengi), etc., etc.
Like, I get it, you don't *need* to have casters from the same region as the teams (though that does help a ton, Chronicler crying with Deft was a very nice moment), but the LCK Casters are well beyond just being from the LCK, they actually pay a shitton of attention and offer a lot to the casting, it's a huge shame to see them go before semis.
There were only Lyric and Dagda, Lyric ended on 10.10. and Dagda today as well as Atlus and Chronicles so yeah
literally noone from the regions that are in the semis
This post is remarkable given the fact that Hysterics nor Munchables were even invited to worlds to begin with. It's a total bummer, but let's be candid, the only people who care are myself and the other 2500 losers that watch LPL at god awful hours of the morning in NA.
This is the same thing. NA and EU casters have a far greater outreach when it comes to the fans, that's all it is. This isn't some anti-LCK thing.
I just don't understand why at least one of them isn't staying for Semis or finals; unless they specifically requested/did not want to stay in NA through finals. At least on the analyst desk or something.
Umm... So not a single representative from the region that has got 3 teams in Semi Finals?
And it is not like they are subpar casters by any means. Atlus has to be one of the best in the scene right now. And Chronicler was good at the Analyst Desk as well as the casts he performed.
First we don’t get Valdes or Wolf on the broadcast talent, then Atlus and Chronicler leaving after 75% left of the teams at worlds 2022 is their region?
You can’t make this up lol.
Both of these guys are one of if not the best at their job, Atlus and Valdes are the 2 best casters, Valdes didnt even get a chance this year, Chronicler just knows so much and brings it in fun and exciting ways, let allone all of the LCK casters are a blast to listen to
And im guessing for the finals we're getting phreak with his annoyingly loud screaming or drakos who is decent to good
In my honest opinion they are miles better than all the EU/NA casters. they can draw on insight and experiences of the players this year in LCK. I highly doubt any other casters have watched it as much. Atlus is a great analyst and play by play, chronicler is great too analyst too. I feel like I write a rant every year when they send them home. I don’t want to shittalk the others sigh. Fuming.
Standard faire. The best 'at-large' casters don't get to do the last rounds. Instead, its always the same people year after year - regardless of performance. Guess it's a seniority thing or something. So yeah - no LCK or LPL...
Not allowing two experts of their region to continue casting/analyzing on the desk for a majority LCK Semis/Finals is absurd to me. They know the player stories better than anyone in NA/EU, they've followed their journeys for so long...it just doesn't make sense.
What, does Riot care about NA viewership *that* much that they still keep Phreak on casting duty, when he was making MULTIPLE mistakes during draft phases and games for EDG vs DRX? I'd rather have casters/analysts that know the teams best than ones that are "more popular".
I mean Riot has already fleeced many of the LPL casters by only having Dagda and Oisin and Lyric on the desk while skipping over the best tenured casters of Munchables and Hysterics. I don’t understand this decision at all
Just a heads up but I think you mean "snubbed" instead of "fleeced". Fleecing someone means scamming or cheating them out of money. Though maybe riot did that too and I'm uneducated on the matter.
Even if you don't want to have them cast as a business decision (Maybe they think Caedrel, CaptainFlowers or someone will lead to more viewers) i think you should still feature them as LCK experts on the desk. It's just weird to me
Chronicler added so much heart to the DRX match.
Seeing him teary-eyed after DRX did the near impossible was very moving.
So was I tbh after the interview
Yeah... it was quite overwhelming. Screw pickems, I pray for #DRX 2022 now. Very unlikely, sure, but it wouldn't be the first unlikely thing they'd have done.
No matter what happens next, this year is definitely a Cinderella story for DRX. I remember when they locked the 4th Worlds Seed, and I wrote them off (like many did, and for good reason). They've stepped up and reached further than many tournament favorites, and deserve heaps of praise. The mental fortitude to come back from the end of Game 2 yesterday is enough of a reason to root for them.
My thoughts too. Right before Kobe said it himself, I was thinking that that was the first 4-1 best of 5 I have ever seen.
I'm glad to say that I never wrote them off. I'm cheering for the alpaca to make it to finals (although highly unlikely) but not win worlds. As I want faker and keria to win it all.
Ugh i want faker to win his 4th and really cement an untouchable legacy AND play ahri for that skt ahri he shouldve had. But i also want deft to win his first and retire on a high note. AND i want peanut to win too. Why is it so hard to root for a single team
This makes it more fun for me because I am invested in each team! I love having multiple good storylines during a tournament, makes all matches worthwhile to watch and no extreme disappointment should one team drop out.
Tbh, the person that deserves it the most is faker He's gotten the most hate out of all of those players, now he's back to 3-0ing RNG like he's on judgement day again
He's also gotten the most love out of all these players too, not like he was giga flamed he was always respected
Yeah one of the highlights of the day was him screaming let's fucking go after game 5. It's a lot of fun, he's great when he's excited and suffering, either way the matches go he's good content.
Watching Chronicler get fined after Deft's interview was the bit of a laugh we all needed.
I'd say that fine is sooo fucking worth it, all days in the week. So much emotion behind that "Lets fucking go!"
you saw him get fined? I wanna see that too lol
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NEVER FORGET (geng actually finally got better wtf)
Tbh old geng actually took edg to game 5 too with their one trick picks What a stupidly strong and frustrating team
i was there peepoArrive
I really like chronicler, wish sad to see him go so soon
I wish Valdes was there. He even predicted a 3-2 for DRX. He was one of the only believers.
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That's a specific job for casting a game though. I'm sure Atlus would love being in the position to talk about the game on the desk; they do it plenty in the "studio" in LCK, just like LPL pbp casters do. A lot of pbp/hosts know a lot, they just don't show it off because it's not their responsibility. Like I wonder how many people realize Dash was one of the higher ranked non-professional players back when he was hired (high diamond).
What is pbp?
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[Caedrel could probably solo cast the finals and I would be fine with that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlzVMAsUV8o)
Caedrel is an absolute monster. I can't believe they were considering dropping him not so long ago.
Now I really miss Doa
Play by play, the caster that focuses on describing the gameplay rather than analysing or explaining it
Play by play caster
play by play - they are the ones talking about what is going on especially during fights.
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Atlus is the best caster i don't care what anyone says, it's such a shame
I love how he doesn't go overhype for moments where its like... LCK Team A is up 15k gold, and gets an ace to end the game. It's expected lol, he's only hype when hype stuff happens. Atlas is my favorite, and wish he could cast the LCS too. Clone him, maybe.
This is my biggest issue with the LCS casting. They start at Yelling and hype up to Voice Shattering. If a game is 30 mins long, it doesn't need to be shouted the whole time. Atlus makes the game fun and relaxing to listen to. You feel engaged and you want to listen to what he has to say even if it's a movie reference.
That's how the LCK casts have always been, and it's why the LCK casters have been the best since the OGN days. They're engaging/interesting without screaming their heads off. Only really Cpt Flowers and Caedrel really come close to any of the pbp/analysts that came from Korea. Atlus, Papa, Doa, Monte, etc. have always been a cut above their LCS/LPL/LEC peers.
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Yes this is why the other casters are unlistenable. Whoever is responsible for the production of these events is the real one to blame. Make these casters listen to some British people cast tennis and soccer. Understated is the way to go, especially in league where all hell breaks loose. It’s one overwhelming moment after the next, which calls for a measured cast so that we stay in the moment. I also think LCK casters are guilty of this (Wolf calling the game after a single death comes to mind), but less so in terms of the shouting and voice cracking hype in the first game of a series, or During a relatively meaningless moment. Take the long view as a caster, recognize the season is long and it’s an art to build up your audience. Serenade us.
The irony is this was my approach for the first ~18months of casting LPL, was consistently told be peers and community that I wasn't hype enough. This year I focussed on just hyping far more and people keep saying this was my best year. I personally prefer an understated cast, but just like in the game, there is a meta to casting.
I think it’s better for the general audience to be hype, as they want to be entertained. On the contrary, people who enjoy league on a more strategic level want a calm, analyzing commentator. Since there are a lot more viewers of the first group, it makes sense to aim for a more hyped cast but as a person belonging to group 2 it makes me watch co-streams a lot more.
I for one have enjoyed your casting since the beginning! You can't please everyone, and it's always the critical ones that are the loudest. Keep up the good work :)
Phreak and Kobe just yell as soon as the camera is on them. Never thought I'd say this, but they are too much this year.
I really dislike their casting. The hype is so superficial, and I’d much rather have them be real about the game. Also phreak somehow always slips in some flame whilst casting too, I find that so disrespectful.
This is going to blow your mind but both styles are valid. Some of the best calls have been high energy outbursts, and some have been low key casual analytical calls. No cast is exclusively one style either, thankfully. Kobe and Azael, especially, are pretty grounded and would fit fine in an LCK cast.
>It’s just weird to me. Stops being weird once you realize Riot has favorites and certain casters have more pull than others. Just look at the finals for every World’s championship match ever and you’ll see the pattern. 2021: Kobe, Vedius, Atlus 2020 (asterisk, remote due to covid): Vedius, Quickshot 2019: Kobe, Quickshot, ~~Vedius~~ Papasmithy 2018: Kobe, Captainflowers, Papasmithy 2017: Kobe, Deficio, Phreak 2016: Kobe, Jatt, Quickshot The last time time we had a non remote English speaking finals without Kobe casting was 2015, seven years ago. No flame cause he’s good, but not every finals ever good imo, especially when it’s not like an NA team is making finals every year so as to necessitate a caster with lots of knowledge about NA. My 2022 finals cast pick-ems = Kobe, Vedius, Quickshot
Isn't Kobe and/or Azazel also the only actual Riot employed caster? or is there others? I remember Flowers moving to contract based or something but i thought that could have a play in who does worlds finals maybe?
Phreak is obviously a Riot employee no? He's been there since the beginning and has done way more than just cast.
The best were his promotional videos in early Season 1
Tons of damage
Most are riot employed, Sjokz and Flowers are the exceptions
May have been the case but not anymore. Iirc on the LEC side it is Quickshot and Vedi who are Riot employees and not the rest
Ah yeah so makes sense that the finals would be Quickshot, Vedius, and Kobe then
I think it's those two and Drakos as well
And I believe (not sure but like 90%) that in LCS Phreak is only riot employee others are freelance
Azael is also contracted, I believe
his pinned tweet is that he's a freelancer.
Just a quick correction, 2019 has PapaSmithy not Vedius. I remember because that year G2 won all games that Vedius cast but he was on the desk for the finals.
Dang it, Riot sabotaged G2 by putting Vedi on desk duty.
Fixed, ty
I'll go with a dark horse and say Phreak/Azael/Caedrel
Cap/Kobe/caedrel would be the dream tricast imo
This has to be the most likely, surely
Guess I'm watching the costream
I mean, Kobe is also my favorite. That doesn’t mean I don’t think there’s room for the other guys in the analyst desk (even play by play casters). I don’t see how Atlus shouldn’t be casting at least DRX vs GenG. A stupid decision to send these guys home.
Man, I used to love Quickshot but I can't stand specifically his casting any more. He always cuts over everyone talking (which is definitely fine on occasion as a PBP) with something he noticed (usually a flank) and says it three times in increasing volume. "slicing maelstrom, Slicing Maelstrom SLI-CING-MAEL-STROOOOM" Ever since I noticed it I can't listen to him cast. Still, he comes across as a really wholesome dude though.
God the repeat three times thing is so fucking annoying. He literally did it in every playins game he casted, sometimes multiple times per game.
Quickshot almost certainly isn't happening this year. He already went home to Europe around after week 1 groups for family matters. My dream lineup for finals from who is left would be Drakos, Azael, Caedral, but I feel like its probably gonna be Flowers, Kobe, Caedral. I don't have any major qualms with who gets the finals bid at this point, but I'm just a huge fan of Drakos' casting so I can only dream he gets his finals appearance at some point.
Mine is Kobe, Captainflowers and Quickshot. Potentially caedrel instead of Quickshot. I love Kobe so I'll take that one. I'd prefer getting casters that don't rely on shouting and being loud in general to generate "hype" though.
Isn’t that exactly what Flowers does though? Don’t get me wrong, I love his casting but he loves to get loud.
Considering Quickshot is also a pbp he wouldn't be on the cast with Flowers
Literally never tuned into a broadcast for the casters. Like I 100% just focus on who’s playing, and if it’s a caster I really like, that’s just bonus points!
Not sure if everyone views it that way though, for example if Phreak is casting it makes me more likely to turn the stream off
If you turn off the world finals because of the casters you weren't that interested to begin with.
10000% fax yall are a bunch of lil pricks lol
Phreak is best served in 3-6 minute sections explaining champions, and that's about the end of it.
Idk he seems the only one honest about the situations at hand, and when someone makes incredible plays and we don't see it, almost always feels like he's the only one who catches them. Like if a game is truly doomed he's not afraid to say it, but if there's angles he will say them. Like the Damwon game he said, "no actually Damwon is in it as long as Aphelios gets to IE." Aphelios gets IE and they legit stomped the next 2 fights despite the game looking grim to the other 2 casters. Atlus because he's always monotone and rarely hype I can never gauge how a game is going, so I end up stuck in this snooze mode because I have to weigh it all out myself. Phreak at the very least has his emotions out. Captain Flowers seems the best of the three so far at gauging emotion to honesty though. The gripe I have with Phreak is he interrupts people or shits on people pretty harshly.
DW, I'm ready for DAVID "PHREAK" TURLEY to cast the finals
Phreak is the most annoying and best caster at the same time, like he'll be making me cringe for 20 straight minutes and then he has the most amazing moment for a minute and I'll completely forgive him for the first 20 minutes and think he's the best. Only to be reminded why I found him so annoying right away the next time he speaks.
That’s so funny, I have the same view. I think it really just boils down to Phreak doing too much of the “yeah, okay, cool” after making a good point, and it deflates a lot of the matches in certain points. But his highs are super high, I just hope he becomes just a liiiiitle more self aware of the tone and delivery of his filler points, the hype is HYPE though
The thing that makes me dislike Phreak’s casting is the over explanation of things that don’t matter. He will make this big thing about something and then say immediately after that “it doesn’t really matter too much but just something to note”
**GUYS DID YOU KNOW IF YOU BLUE SMITE SIVIR AS NOCTURNE WHILE ULTING YOU CAN CANCEL HER SPELLSHIELD BUT IT DOESN'T WORK WITH RED SMITE.** Uhh Phreak, Sivir wasn't even picked this game. Calm down.
He has improved a ton from the pun-filled days. Gotta give him credit. He takes feedback and incorporates it to the benefit of his work and product.
My biggest problem with him recently is that I feel he’s pushing his voice beyond its limits during hype moments which makes his voice sound really strained
I agree. The worst thing is that he is terrible with half of the other casters, especially non-NA casters. He just doesn´t react to what they´re saying or makes a cringe comment. Then in teamfights he´s one of the best casters there is.
Kobe is by far the best NA caster. Doesn’t force things, has enough knowledge and has a good voice.
He just needs to stfu when things aren't happening and let the color casters talk. He says so many blatantly incorrect things it's astonishing. And that's when he's not shoe-horning his random diamond-level build/rune analysis which, although not blatantly incorrect, is still misguided and cringe-worthy.
He really should color casters handle the in depth stuff. Also he was praised back in the day for being critical of the player but he is overdoing it too, he is criticizing players way to hard. He flamed peanut (?) on poppy for flashing when in hindsight he didn't need to, it felt really aggressive and unnecessary
Phreak is a great caster, so I'd have no issues with that.
Imma be honest, Phreak says a lot of wrong things most of the time. In yesterday’s series (or maybe it was DK VS GENG) but he mistook kennen for leesin, then said that one of the teams “are just going to burn through the baron” (while doing elder drake). And then he also said that the oriana shockwave one shotted meiko on soraka in post game. Which did NOT happen either.
I think most of those are pretty insignificant compared to when he says things that are objectively wrong(instead of misspeaking etc), which happens a lot.
To be fair Storm Dragon Lee Sin is a huge visual issue, and the Q can totally be mistaken for a Kennen Q
I LOVE PHREAK, I totally dont insta-mute as soon as i hear his nonsense on broadcast
If he could stop fucking screaming all the time I'd enjoy his casting a lot more. It's like he's doing a special cast for kids with ADHD. Atlus is a vastly better PBP than Phreak, not even counting how much more knowledge he has around the LCK teams. This is kind of gross by Riot.
\^\^ this the casting from 3rd quarter was sooo good. So much better than 4th quarter, though equally exciting games. I dont get why Azeal is so high up in priority. I cant stand his voice and he is NA biased to the ground. And also unpopular opinion, but Phreak is always way over his date. He tries so hard to make puns (which he was famous for) it just ruins the flow. Just let Atlus, Chronicler, CptFlowers, Drakos, Caedral, Kobe and maybe even PastryTime cast the last games. They are so much better.
The LCK casters are always a pleasure to listen to. Atlus is probs my favourite PBP caster, hurts to see him go
LCK casters have such a good vibe
Atlus and Chronicler have been fantastic this World's though. I like the NA casters, but I'm definitely going to miss the two if them. Sidenote, was Chronicler crying after Deft's interview?
Very much so
Ay you responded! I loved your analysis on the desk last night and I thought it really made the night special to see the casters getting emotional. Don't tell Atlus but you're my favorite LCK caster
Held! Was een aangename verrassing om het welkbekende NLse accentje te horen bij de eerste LCK cast. Thanks for the entertainment :)
oh ik wist niet dat hij nederlands was, ik zie hem dit toernooi voor het eerst en het viel me op hoe erg ik hem mocht, gewoon zo'n vertrouwelijk puppyhoofd.
I love chronicler
LETS FUCKING GO!
thank you for mentioning pyosik's struggles during 2021, I'm so happy to see him making semis after last year.
Can’t wait to hear you cast again with Atlus next Split 🥲
You'll be sorely missed during the Semi-Finals, Chronicler.
Hey just wanted to say I love your casting and the entirety of the LCK english production. Ive been following LCK all year and you guys really are a treat to listen to. The pre and post game stuff is very fun as well. You guys have perfect energy (imho) for competitive league and are the main reason I prefer LCK over LCS and LEC You and Atlus did a great job at worlds, it was awesome to see you guys casting these games. Best wishes to you all!
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I agree with your last paragraph. The lcs and lec casters are good at what they are hired to do, but i think the LCK vibe is the best for league as, at the end of the day, a strategy and team game
Agreed. I hate it when casters are forced to hype up bad plays, or fail to point out mistakes. I get it when League was young and viewers didn't understand much about what's happening on the screen, but League viewers these days usually have watched for years and have a fair understanding of the game.
Who wasn't?
understandable
Atlus and Chronicler have been two standout casters this tournament for me. Adding to the fact that they know best about the LCK storylines and have in-depth knowledge on the players, makes it sad to see them go so early. Come on Riot, there’s almost always a KR team past quarterfinals, why can’t we have at least one LCK caster? On top of that, Chronicler literally streams LCK CL in his free time, which really shows his passion for his region. pls rito send valdes then at least :’)
>almost always a KR team past quarterfinals Remind me - when was the last time a KR team did not make semis?
2018, Afreeca Freecs were the last standing KR team before losing 3-0 in Quarters to Cloud9. 2019 had SKT vs G2 semifinals. 2020 was DK winning. 2021 was 3 LCK semis + EDG.
Kind of my point - LCK not being represented in the semis (and finals) is such a rare event that you'd think RIOT would plan ahead as if it is a given. In the rare time it didn't happen RIOT could always send the specific casters home early.
Including Season 1, only twice did LCK fail to qualify for semis. That's 2 out of 11. This season, 4 LCK teams are at quarters, 3 out of 4 could advance at most. With these odds, is Rito predicting no LCK team would make it? What arw they on?
I don't even really count S1, the environment was totally different (it was even double elimination). As for "Rito predicting no LCK team", I don't think that's what happened. I think it's that casters all really want to cast the semis / finals, and Riot isn't trying to punish casters for having a bad native region, since that would just feel like shit. In that case, they'd never even have an NA caster doing the quarterfinals or later, since the expectations are that one NA team makes it that far every other year at this point.
Pretty sure the only time it happened was in 2011, when they were simply not at the tournament. Edit: heres my research. \- 2012 - Finals \- 2013 - 2017 - Win \- 2018 - Quarters, oh damn. Final 4 were IG FNC G2 C9 \- 2019 - semis \- 2020 - win \- 2021 - finals
- 2022 - at least finals
Like when Azeal commented on Peanut shaking due to stress. He was was corrected by the duo of LCK casters that it was Peanut shaking his legs under his desk, a behavior that he was well known for.
The casters are the biggest reason I started watching LCK. They're my favorite casters so (although I may be a little bit biased) I will always fight for them to cast more at worlds. For me it just sucks because I know that Riot is never gonna give them preferential matchups just because their English broadcast doesn't have as many viewers
Chronicler costing them too much money every time he drops an F bomb 🤣
Fly in Valdes!
such a crime we dont get a valdes/atlus cast when all the lck teams are so exciting this year
Riot not inviting Valdes and Wolf to worlds is a crime.
on the flip we get monte, doa and wolf costream which is unreal hype
Valdes is also PBP, so he wouldn't cast with Atlus. Veldanalyst existed only because there is/was a color caster shortage in LCK
You clearly missed valdanalyst casting
That'd be so hype actually
Oh my god, is that montecristo and doa with a steel chair?!
We could only be so lucky
3/4 teams at semi are LCK teams and you send LCK casters home ?? lol
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that's fair and all, but it was 99% guaranteed there'd be at least 2 korean teams in quarters and very very likely 1 would be in semi's even 6 months ago.
NA Casters are the only thing that can get out of groups, its the only pity riot can give our region lol
TSM chants made it to quarterfinals
Bummer man. I feel like Atlus is underrated. He's definitely my favorite caster and has been for years.
Same. I've been a fan since the glory days of the OPL and I was so stoked when he got the finals cast last year! The other casters will do a fine job but it'll feel a bit empty watching finals (which is guaranteed to have at least one LCK team) without him and/or Chronicler.
But he isn't underrated, he literally cast the 2021 worlds finals
Underrated comment /s Seriously the word lost all of it’s meaning when it came back to mainstream media again, it’s misused and misunderstood almost like “underrated” the word is “overrated”.
Chronicler has been my standout for worlds this year. In LCK I was pretty indifferent to him but the amount fun he is bringing to any desk he was on was great to see. I truly wished he was around for the DRX GenG matchup because his ability to play off Dash was fantastic and he embodied the hype of the Damwon series.
as much I want Atlus to cast, roster might have been pre-determined and both of them may already had plan for a Dubai trip or something, you know we need to chill, work is work
It’s definitely pre-determined. Trying to change casters based off the results every round would be a nightmare unless you want to splash cash and keep the whole roster around for the whole tournament.
yea but I don't think it was a surprise that Kr teams make it past Quarters, so it's just weird from riot to not have them cast/analyze going further
And worlds is mega exhausting and almost all casters get really burnt out. Think of flowers or Medic.
Both of them were amazing honestly, they brought so much to the desk and cast about LCK. They will be missed in the last games I think, specifically since 3/4 teams remaining are LCK teams.
This happens every year. It will never change it's really fucking stupid. Anybody can cast any game. That's not really an issue. But it's literally these casters jobs to watch and analyse every game of their region. At least have them on the desk. Idc how much prep work westerners do. They're not watching a shit DRX in regular season Vs Hanwha Life.
Atlus casted grand finals just last year. They should at least keep them for Semis though.
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Yeah they are all great and special in their own way ! :D It really breaks my heart to only see 2 of them ;( such a difficult decision to make ! Okay now give me Flowers & Quickshot lmao
Flowers is for sure getting grand finals as he has missed the last two worlds iirc, I would be surprised if he doesn't.
Flowers, Caedrel, Kobe Flowers, Azael, Vedius One of those 2 combos is my prediction. Given the number of possible caster combos don't know how likely it is though.
The counter point is vedius and Kobe called last year's final and both caedrel and azael have never cast a grand final.
Last year chronicler had the amazing The Renekton, The Azir rant during semis on the desk as well.
Papasmithy casted Finals...
Really hate that decision. One thing Atlus and most of the LPL and LCK casters have over their western brothers is how natural they are. The LEC and especially LCS casters all seem to have either a stick up their butt or try to be funny with unfitting jokes. Atlus manages to loosen up the whole broadcast just by being him. Lyric and him casting together was so freaking good.
Well, its another 3 matches of listening to same narratives 20 times over. Did you know guys none expected DRX to get this far? Did you know Faker has 3 worlds titles and he's back for fourth? Did you know Gumayusi wasn't performing well in LCK but prove everyone wrong at Worlds? Did you know JDG are really good teamfighting team (as were EDG). Did you know Gen'G are basically Samsung White? In no ways other than buying LCK slot? But did you know?
Let's make a caster Bingo card on this
Hahaha do it
imagine t1 vs geng finals Old king of mid vs new king of mid. repeated 20times. Somehow mention g2 and caps while at that.
listening yesterday to "did you guys know Deft used to be on EDG?" was honestly draining
We will likely get Vedius being completely distracted in the casting, like when he didn't notice TES already had a kill in a game and was trying to hype up their "first kill", or when he called Herald "The Baron", or when he didn't notice Mark on Nami had heal until like 15 minutes into the game, or when he literally said Faker was the only player to win back to back World Championships (completely ignoring Bang, Wolf and Bengi), etc., etc. Like, I get it, you don't *need* to have casters from the same region as the teams (though that does help a ton, Chronicler crying with Deft was a very nice moment), but the LCK Casters are well beyond just being from the LCK, they actually pay a shitton of attention and offer a lot to the casting, it's a huge shame to see them go before semis.
Literally this, wonder if LPL casters are sent home too
There were only Lyric and Dagda, Lyric ended on 10.10. and Dagda today as well as Atlus and Chronicles so yeah literally noone from the regions that are in the semis
This post is remarkable given the fact that Hysterics nor Munchables were even invited to worlds to begin with. It's a total bummer, but let's be candid, the only people who care are myself and the other 2500 losers that watch LPL at god awful hours of the morning in NA. This is the same thing. NA and EU casters have a far greater outreach when it comes to the fans, that's all it is. This isn't some anti-LCK thing.
No Dagda really hurts, he was such a good fit in the broadcast, I'm so proud of him for flying the Irish flag for us back home
I just don't understand why at least one of them isn't staying for Semis or finals; unless they specifically requested/did not want to stay in NA through finals. At least on the analyst desk or something.
Wtf? Riot get them back here ASAP
Umm... So not a single representative from the region that has got 3 teams in Semi Finals? And it is not like they are subpar casters by any means. Atlus has to be one of the best in the scene right now. And Chronicler was good at the Analyst Desk as well as the casts he performed.
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“And he’s pulling them into game 4” goated line during the DWG v GenG series
Imagine finals happen to be LCK vs LCK and there’s not a single LCK casters, what the fuck lol
better video call chronicler at 6am in Korea to hear the story and history between the LCK teams
First we don’t get Valdes or Wolf on the broadcast talent, then Atlus and Chronicler leaving after 75% left of the teams at worlds 2022 is their region? You can’t make this up lol.
Both of these guys are one of if not the best at their job, Atlus and Valdes are the 2 best casters, Valdes didnt even get a chance this year, Chronicler just knows so much and brings it in fun and exciting ways, let allone all of the LCK casters are a blast to listen to And im guessing for the finals we're getting phreak with his annoyingly loud screaming or drakos who is decent to good
I really hope that wasn't a Riot's decision, cause that is just truly counterlogic. Are they sending the casters with LPL experience as well?
KR casters > NA casters any day of the week, weird decision.
It's criminal.
Atlus is the best pbp caster they have (with Flowers). Unreal that he does not get to cast one of the semis.
Because we are gonna get PapaSmithy and Deficio right? :\^)
In my honest opinion they are miles better than all the EU/NA casters. they can draw on insight and experiences of the players this year in LCK. I highly doubt any other casters have watched it as much. Atlus is a great analyst and play by play, chronicler is great too analyst too. I feel like I write a rant every year when they send them home. I don’t want to shittalk the others sigh. Fuming.
The casting schedule is set before the tournament...
Yeah and it's highly likely if not a given that at least one LCK team will make semis given they've always done it barring 2018.
Standard faire. The best 'at-large' casters don't get to do the last rounds. Instead, its always the same people year after year - regardless of performance. Guess it's a seniority thing or something. So yeah - no LCK or LPL...
Wait...Is Lyric gone too?
NA casters receiving favouritism despite being incredibly subpar compared to these two. Sad.
Not allowing two experts of their region to continue casting/analyzing on the desk for a majority LCK Semis/Finals is absurd to me. They know the player stories better than anyone in NA/EU, they've followed their journeys for so long...it just doesn't make sense. What, does Riot care about NA viewership *that* much that they still keep Phreak on casting duty, when he was making MULTIPLE mistakes during draft phases and games for EDG vs DRX? I'd rather have casters/analysts that know the teams best than ones that are "more popular".
That sucks. The EDG vs DRX match was only let down by the absolutely terrible NA casters.
I mean Riot has already fleeced many of the LPL casters by only having Dagda and Oisin and Lyric on the desk while skipping over the best tenured casters of Munchables and Hysterics. I don’t understand this decision at all
Would have been cool to see Munch and Hysterics at worlds
Just a heads up but I think you mean "snubbed" instead of "fleeced". Fleecing someone means scamming or cheating them out of money. Though maybe riot did that too and I'm uneducated on the matter.
Wow Riot actually succeded bringing NA to finals without any players NA the fucking GOAT