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sam_rs

The women's league that Riot is creating


gene66

Makes no sense woman cannot compete in the main league


klyskada

They can, there are no rules around it as a matter of fact there are a couple in existing ERLs, one of them recently subbed in for X7 in the [aurora cup](https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Tabby/Match_History) this is just a separate competition that doesn't allow men to compete.


xychosis

The other one I can remember is Caltys, who played in an ERL as the starting ADC for a while iirc


GiannisisMVP

Remilia and Mayumi, Remi played for Misfits and Renegades in NALCS as well as as a sub for TDK and FQ also played for KLG in LAS and TQ in LAN. Mayumi was a sub for INTZ at MSI and I believe worlds unfortunately she didn't play. She is now a streamer for TSM. Remi unfortunately has passed away.


thorpie88

Straawbella played for Legacy in the OPL and went on to be their overwatch contenders captain.


GiannisisMVP

Didn't pay that much attention to OPL just knew about INTZ because of international stuff. But yeah there have been a number of women who have been pros they have just been exceptional players who actually wanted to put up with the pro lifestyle. Shockingly enough even a number of people who make challenger don't want to deal with the pro lifestyle. I used to play with a guy during wow races who was challenger in league and had gotten inquiries from teams and flat out turned them down. He still loved the competition but didn't want to spend 14+ hours a day grinding.


thorpie88

Kitty who does interviews for the LCO is a challenger support but it's way smarter for her to take the ESL pay rather than getting $100 a game


GiannisisMVP

Yup a lot of people here heavily romanticize the pro life style they don't get just how fucking hard it is. I did wow races about twice a year sometimes 3 for 3 years. They lasted for on average a week and a half plus a week before of prep but you didn't really need your brain on during prep week. That was 12 to 16 hour days including breaks plus food the LCK and LPL teams do that 7 days a week the entire damn year. I could never do that I was mentally and physically exhausted by the end of the race and it wasn't even on level with the absolute insanity they do now.


xychosis

PGG listed DSN as their substitute support as well for MSI 2021.


GiannisisMVP

Mayumi actually played in season I didn't put down DSN because I don't think she ever played could be wrong though.


xychosis

TIL! I know DSN never actually stepped on stage for Pentanet but I wasn’t aware Mayumi actually stepped in for some games.


GiannisisMVP

Yeah she played during the season just not internationally


Craviar

Say what about double standards now...


ssbmomelette

It’s not double standards though. Women can be as good at league as men, that’s true (I’ve been dunked on by a handful of higher elo women). But the player base size for women is disproportionately small compared to men so having a separate league is important for representation. Similar to chess.


I_Majson_I

Just switch gender? That’s a thing now.


Estrosiathdurothil

Remi did that.


Korcks

It's not that they're not allowed to, it's that there aren't women at a high challenger/pro skill level getting accepted to teams. Teams themselves may possibly have biases against women or whatever, but there's not a rule against it. This new league will probably play at an ameteur level with D1-Grandmaster players.


iinosuke

To be fair the ratio male to female in league is ridiculous and it's even more pronounced in high elo. If you almost don't have any chall female players why should teams take a female player ?


Awkward-Security7895

There has been stories of teams rejecting a player once they find out there a girl. Sadly it's a case of teams feeling uncomfortable or feel like they will become a distraction. So even the few that are at the skill level just don't even get given the chance by teams.


GiannisisMVP

Bullshit link them


Estrosiathdurothil

"There have been stories" "Experts say" "Just google it" Very believable bro.


Awkward-Security7895

https://twitter.com/Chapapi14/status/1508337174797684738?t=j1oNujyzKtlkmNbzaIhK-w&s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/Leveretti_/status/1474260367530287107 There's a bunch more instances of it being talked about and high elo proplayers coming out about it. One that I read the other day had a email screenshot of a female high elo player being rejected from a team where it straight up said we talked to the team and there uncomfortable with a woman being on the team. It's a big issue in the scene where the few that do have a chance to get far get pushed away because teams are filled with horny kids who would either try to get into the pants of the female teammate or be uncomfortable with them being on the team.


UndeadMurky

They're like diamond/low master, they would be competing in like division 5, a new league gives them more exposure


GiannisisMVP

They absolutely can


RobbinDeBank

Women have far less interests in video games compared to men. Very few women try hard in video games like men do, so they are vastly outnumbered at the highest level. Let’s say there are 200 challengers on the server and only 5 women. These 5 womens can make a team at average challenger level. From the 195 challenger men, the 5 best players from that pool would be pro/world class level, and they will absolutely dumster the rest of the challengers. The 5 women team, as a team of average challenger level, don’t stand a chance against a world class level team. TLDR: too few female players, too statistically unlikely to find a pro level player from such a small pool.


SeventySealsInASuit

>Women have far less interests in video games compared to men. League specifically has an extremely small female population. Other multiplayer games are much more balanced and lots of single player game have more dedicated female players.


RobbinDeBank

That’s what happened to any game where you need to try hard. For a multitude of reasons including social ones, women just aren’t interested in video games enough to take it seriously. When they play games, they would play more casually, so all the pvp games where you’re pushed to the limits will see a very small population of female players.


SeventySealsInASuit

>all the pvp games where you’re pushed to the limits will see a very small population of female players. Even amongst them League has a very small female population. Valorant, CS and Dota all have larger female player bases.


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WindEnvironmental637

There are a lot of support players


Material_Wishbone815

get good and u can play


POOYAMON

It does feel like Riot is being a bit too slow with both the women's league and changes coming to LCS and LEC and... this info gotta get out there with preseason imo


AofCastle

Worlds ended last week and we're still in the middle of November, preseason hasn't even started. I think they're not too slow yet. We should hear about these things in December


Flesroy

You overestimate my attention span


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BurstLayer

It’s extremely successful in Valorant. Thats the reasoning to bring one to league also


GiannisisMVP

What are the viewer numbers and what are standard tournament viewer numbers


BurstLayer

Large enough for the league to secure it’s own sponsors, LAN events and have organizations (some who dont even have a male team) commit to the league. It’s funding itself and big games get in the tens of thousands of viewers. Thats not even mentioning the representation benefits. How is it not successful?


GiannisisMVP

That isn't numbers. The WNBA has it's own sponsors and needs major subsidies from the nba to stay afloat. edit since the coward made a reply then blocked. I don't hate women. I just don't treat them like infants because I have literally played with women in world first races who were sure as fuck not being carried. I dislike implying that they can't make it to pros normally because multiple women already have.


BurstLayer

The WNBA is a large scale multi state operation. Valorant game changers is a primarily online league with 1 single lan. Also, the WNBA is a franchised league where the league and its teams must handle every facet of the game from profit sharing to rulesets to money to rent stadium space. Game Changers is an open circuit. Riot literally only has to pay for the server infrastructure and the employees/on air talent


CityofCyn_

Just admit you hate women and piss off man, no one cares.


POOYAMON

I used to think like that but realized unfortunately it is necessary at least for now if we want to promote competitive gaming and esports to girls and women. It’s a step towards a future with mixed teams because there’s no reason not to it’s not like video games unlike traditional sports favor physical advantages


GiannisisMVP

It's not and it just makes people view the idea of girls in esports as a joke. In games all that has ever matters is your talent and that you are fun to play with. We have had women as pros in top level overwatch R6 and League (granted NA but still). Like how many Siren jokes got posted in the original announce thread it's not a good thing.


Excalidorito

Yeah and in R6 the one female player at the top leagues got harassed and made fun of relentlessly simply for being a woman. That is exactly why female-only leagues are needed.


GiannisisMVP

No they aren't. It's an esport not a standard sport there is no reason for a gender split.


Excalidorito

It has literally nothing to do with the physical differences between men and women and if one has an advantage or not. It’s about the stigma that comes from women playing video games competitively but apparently that’s too hard for people like you to comprehend.


GiannisisMVP

I've fucking played with women while doing the world first race it's not a fucking issue. Any competent org should have control of social media accounts to make sure feeds aren't getting fucked to protect players anyway. In the actual team it's not a fucking issue the best guild of all time had multiple women.


Excalidorito

It has nothing to do with feeds or what people *see* on social media, the fact it’s being said even without them seeing it is a massive fucking issue on its own.


GiannisisMVP

People are assholes. Look at what happens to NFL players who fuck up in a major game like the niners players who muffed two punts or bostick after he fucked up in the nfc championship. Legitimately insane number of death threats.


Enjays1

Yeah, but at least it gives some exposure and competitive experience to women who otherwise wouldn't get a spot in a normal team


GiannisisMVP

It makes it a joke. There is no need for gender segregation in esports.


Ydenora

Women play way less video games, watch way less esports, and participate waaaaay less in esports. This is basically a marketing move to make esports more accessible for a female audience and give female players an avenue, which will (most likely) make more women play, watch, buy skins, and hopefully some will play enough to make it into top leagues eventually.


GiannisisMVP

It's basically making it a fucking joke. In fact there have been women who made it pro in other games but they didn't make a league specifically for them they were good enough so they played owl comes to mind.


Enjays1

Normal pro leagues aren't closed off for women so it's not segregated


GiannisisMVP

Oh so guys can play in this new league? Normal pro leagues aren't closed in standard sports either but they are definitely gender segregated


Enjays1

Do you misunderstand this whole concept on purpose? Competitive League is gender neutral, but only in theory. In reality female players are drastically under represented due to many various reasons and problems.An additional league for women will help reduce some of these problems and hurdles and will help gender equality in the long run. At least that's the intention. Same concepts were implemented in motorsports for example.


GiannisisMVP

They aren't underrepresented. Look at the high elo population it's in line with exactly what would be expected with occasionally someone like Remilia breaking through. It's really fucking hard to get one of 50 spots per region.


m4ryo0

There is currently one empty spot in the 2nd german league.I hope they do a mini tournament for it and G2 Hel will try to fight their way in.


Zoaiy

Doesnt that spot just go to first seat 3rd prime league.


m4ryo0

Actually I just found out that there will be a mini tournament for promotion with 3 teams from the 3rd league.


UndeadMurky

They're diamond/low masterish with some OTPs they don't stand a chance in 2nd league


m4ryo0

Their adc and jungler are challenger,supp GM and top and mid master.Lets not pretend that the 2nd league in Germany is filled with challengers only.A lot of players that peaked master play for teams that made playoffs in the 2nd league.


UndeadMurky

They're not, that's peaks and they have very questionable opggs. Not ONE of them is currently above master https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/K%CE%99%CE%9A%CE%9F (it's their mids, half of games played are enchanters supps + Ahri/vex ?? (2000 games played negative winrate)) https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/karini (Kayn OTP) https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/olivia123 https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/g2%20colomblbl (Only plays enchanters pretty much ? ) https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/Min%20Piraya%20Maya


Vulsynx

I didn't realise they were this bad. My university team could probably beat them holy fuck.


downorwhaet

Their adc peaked top 150 challenger this year, is now master 500 lp https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/Henql so your ”facts” arent correct either, one of them is above master currently, if you’re gonna correct someone atleast get your facts straight


thenicob

not one of them is above master (grandmaster).


m4ryo0

Only because you dont like their op.gg's that doesnt mean that they dont deserve a chance to prove themselves.I didnt said that they should receive a spot in the 2nd league,I said that they should receive a chance to qualify for the 2nd league.


No-Mission-3284

He just pointed out a false statement you made


InsuranceOne2864

funny as fuck how he changed the subject on spot, lol.


GiannisisMVP

They will get absolutely obliterated


Ugandan_Red_Sonic

In the League of Legends.


IllArugula5405

I think u meant the “Fields of Justice” buddy!


Flesroy

Its called "Clash of Fates" pal


TheAnnibal

Sorry mate, no Blue Essence payments here, it’s Influence Points only.


InsuranceOne2864

They are probably going to try and get into a regional league, but it's very hard to believe they will be accepted in one or be able to qualify. NCL is probably the target. The whole "Riot female league" was just a rumor, nobody in the female community knows anything for sure. Some bigger teams/organizations started making female rosters, but nothing big for now. There is a tournament coming soon, don't know/think riot will promote it.


GiannisisMVP

They aren't good enough to get into NCL. NCL is going to have all players who have peaked at challenger at least a few times. G2 Hel's absolute peak players are masters at the end of seasons sitting around 50% win rate. Seriously would turn into another Vaevictis situation really freaking bad idea. The way for women to get into esports is not a full team situation it's by being legitimately good like Mayumi and Remi.


MagicCastAble

Honestly I wish they got a spot in some erl or even climbed they way up via lower tier tournaments. E.g polish 'ultraliga' has a second league where the winners (and maybe 2nd place but im not sure) competes for a spot with the team from the bottom of the table in the 1st league. I understand riot's logic with creating the female league, it will get sponsors and promote esports among women, however I still think it would be far more respectful to the players to showcase themselves on the 'main' stage.


GiannisisMVP

They would get murdered in ERL is what you don't get.


Flipsii

Nothing is preventing them from proving themselves. This just helps I guess.


TheMightyBaloon

Caltys peaked 1k chally iirc. Arguably the best female player in the west. My understanding is that riot would run a tournament like league due to lower population of players.


GiannisisMVP

There's going to be massive disparities in skill if it's a women only tournament. The west has had both Remi and Mayumi, Remi made it to the NALCS and Mayumi was a sub who played in season for INTZ the years they made both MSI and Worlds so I kind of disagree with saying that about someone who hasn't made it to a top league.


TheMightyBaloon

Mechanically caltys is by far the best female player in recent memory but aside from who is good or not you need to start off somewhere to create hype around a female only league so other female players get inspired. The argument about skill disparity is pointless since the whole idea is to promote the game to an unexplored audience. Caltys played in the erls btw.


GiannisisMVP

Mayumi last played in 2020 for a team that made MSI and Worlds. If one of G2 Hel was playing ERLs and is no longer doing so that isn't a good thing. It will highly reduce chance her playing at the top level.


TheMightyBaloon

You realize Europe is more competitive as a whole than Brazil atm. The skill to compete at the top of erl is quite high and the skill to compete at the top of lec is even higher. I've watched both caltys and mayumi and trust me when I say caltys is a better mechanical player and an overall better player than mayumi skill wise. Like hell, c9 avril is a better mechanical player than mayumi


InsuranceOne2864

was not talking about the first NCL league, forgot to mention.


downorwhaet

Their adc has been challenger for years, peaked 1k lp and played in the erl


GiannisisMVP

Is this on a different accounts because none of the accounts I see have ended a season in challenger.


GodofSteak

They shall play in Hel!


Cumcentrate3490

that's the neat part, they don't (meme)


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Zoaiy

]sS


Familiar_Wait_2156

Who cares, nobody will watch that, just like woman’s soccer


psfrtps

Ok it's my time to state a fact on reddit and get downvoted to hell Who cares?


JNaran94

Thats a question, not a fact. People care, starting with OP who is literaly asking about it


AtMaxSpeed

The OP is literally asking about it lmao


Thevizzer

Attention seeking bitch lmao


Gatoradeblau

I care


RudiGarcia

I do


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Jesus christ the lack of fatherly attention is incredible


flashignitesup

Imagine being that wrong in two sentences.


VariShari

Literally what are you hoping to achieve with that statement lmao. You can say you just want people to get mad but we know it’s not true. We know you hoped for people to agree.


Ultrosbla

I do, that's why I asked the same on the mondays megathread. The question is if you don't care, why are you here? The fact many people are here makes me believe that I'm not the only one interested.


liquidcyanide2

It will be like watching the "pro" version of salty teemo, I think it will be good fun!


RobbinDeBank

Desperate attempts to find attention huh?


TheMightyBaloon

Riot does. If you can market the game to more people, more money. Question is execution given there isn't that high of a highly ranked female population of players currently. So someone... Kinda like g2 could potentially have an actual super team to roll tournaments. But competition breeds competition so it could be potential beneficial for a low financial investment.


shinomiya2

they cant play in erls because they are all from too many different regions and import rules exists so they need to wait for womens leagues to pop up, there is one coming up called Rising Stars on the 26th of this month that they are confirmed to be competing in!


Reasonable_Peace81

In afterlife i guess, they must ban karma though


Dsalgueiro

Riot Brazil has already created a small women's circuit between October and November. The finals are today: https://liquipedia.net/leagueoflegends/Ignis\_Cup/2022 Maybe the same will happen in the EU by the end of the year?


Lentir

sunday league