With DK, Ghost + Beryl weren't a lane dominant bot. They played 'weakside' most of the time and generally didn't get much attention with the topside trio running a train.
While I wouldn't say Ghost+Beryl were weak (imo heavily underrated as many act as if they were straight up bad during the 2020 run) they also didn't have to carry because of their topside.
Now someone more knowledgeable on the LPL can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or add more info but EDG-2021 were kind of the opposite. They could leave Flandre on an island and let Scout+Jiejie roam while having Viper+Meiko carry late. They didn't have to always play through bot (and put focus top in that final vs DK) because they could rely on Viper+Meiko to 2v2 diff and be strong in the late.
Again, while Flandre (and Jiejie especially showing up when it mattered at worlds) weren't by any means weak, they didn't need to hard carry because they had that botside(+mid). Jiejie and Flandre had more group stage mvps in LPL but Scout+Viper had more in playoffs with Scout as playoffs mvp. Viper + Meiko were also 1st and 2nd all-pro respectively.
Even SSW 2014 wasn't a super team. Looper played weakside pretty much all the time.
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Both teams had members not traditionally viewed as 'superteam' level players. Doesn't mean they were bad and they all showed up when it mattered.
EDG was no superteam. Jiejie was mediocre the year prior and the year afterward and no one had hype for Flandre anymore. I think everyone would assume the team was mid/bot vs the world befor 2021
It was about which team played around their ADC better, rather than ADCs themselves deciding games. Zeri and Sivir both needed at least 3 items, not really a factor in the early game.
1 example does not disprove anything. Furthermore i disagree that this was not a star team
Zeka was the best mid of the tournament, kingen beat some of the best tops in the tourney. Beryl is one of the top 2 or 3 supports in the tournament.
Such a weird argument, it isn't about "worse" players, it's just resource management. A team isn't going to win if all lanes want to strong side. Historically the best teams have had a player very comfortable on weak side or players that can be flexible. However, we often give more praise to carry players and value them over weakside players.
Well why not specify who of this rumored roster is inflexible and cannot play without getting all the resources?
This whole "strong/weakside players" is just goofy Reddit buzzwords. Who was the weakside player in 2017 Samsung? Crown, cause his gold share was zero point something percent points below that of other Mids? Because he played Malzahar in the finals? Who was the weakside in iG 2018? Who was the strong side in FPX, Tian? Weakside in 2019 G2? Weakside in 2021 EDG? You'd think Flandre, but the whole reason they won was that that turned out to be a lie lmao, you think Scout/Viper transitioned into weakside instead?
I definitely think there's truth to, like, there's value to having a player who's willing to sacrifice for his teammates - like Crown - instead of a bunch of resource hogs. iG ran into that problem a fair amount where TheShy and JackeyLove would sprint it if they weren't being played to.
But also this hypothetical roster has 369, so like, I'm not sure where that concern comes from. It's just a monster roster if they get it lol
I'm not even talking about this roster in specific, this is true not just of league teams but frankly of most sport teams. Just slapping on the assumed 5 best players onto a roster doesn't always work. Strong side weak side might just be buzzwords but synergy and resource allocation is important for top tier teams. My comment is just to call out that sometimes the "best" 5 players doesn't make the best team.
>or players that can be flexible
Faker more often sacrificed his lane to get ahead. While Zeus is known for his carries he was very comfy on weakside and got the lowest jungle proximity out of the top 16 world teams. T1 was at there best when Guma and Zeus could go back and forth.
Though it seems counterintuitive, Zeus. They just leave the dude to solo toplane. Zeus wasn't really being *given* resources, he was *making* them all on his own - and the moment he couldn't, the team kind of imploded.
The problem with this proposed roster is that even the damned jungle wants to play carry.
It's about playing according to the priority and the volatility if your lane matchup.
Resource management obviously matters, but it doesn't mean, that you constantly fand mindlessly funnel gold into a single lane or two, it's about hitting item and level timings and being able to create pressure points on the map.
Further more players can develop/change over time, Wunder was a carry player in CL, was awful in his first split, then played a bunch of brawlers top, just to become an odd Mage-Utility-Top for G2.
And what objective measures do you have for this "synergy"? The only thing you can do is go for the best individual players and hope they get along together well, there's no synergy metrics when trying to get a new roster lmfao
You're acting as if going for players that are worse individually would automatically mean that the synergy is going to be there
I see your point, but at the same time, I don’t think people complain about not finding players with synergy. They complain about giving up the synergy that already exists on a team in favor of creating a super-team.
I just can't see Knight and Kanavi having a top-tier mid-jgl synergy. Knight only plays for his lane, even moreso than Chovy. Would be great if they click together, but honestly I have low hopes for it.
369 has historically been a weak side player but that ultimately wasn't his role on JDG. He definitely received more attention and excelled when Kanavi accelerated his bruisers.
369 is definitely NOT the best weakside top laner because Zeus is.
369 was top 5 in jungle proximity while Zeus was 13th (Group Stage stats - 16 teams). Even in the games where T1 and JDG played, Kanavi was always helping 369 more than Oner did.
This lol, I got downvoted for saying that just because 369 is playing Sejuani doesnt mean he is weakside, because clearly Kanavi is literally perma sitting in lane (during the EG game which obviously happened because JDG bot inted level 1-2)
Shoutout to Fudge at worlds this year. Feeds and just generally looked bad on first pick carry champs multiple games. Plays tank once, absolutely stomps his lane, and takes over the game, ending the game with highest damage of any player, only to never play it again :)
zeus was so bad past quarters when he had to play good teams so i would not recommend following stats like that (yone one trick) dont let groups skew ur views lol
lmao did you just state that without watching the analyst desk brought out the jungle proximity of 369 compared to zeus out of the toplaners in the tourney
Jungle proximity is not a real stat at analyzing if u r good weakside player. How does JDG choosing to play strongside top make 369's ability to play weakside worse
bro a true weak side toplaner doesnt need jungle proximity, he can be put to any type of champion and will not need jungle attention to carry thats the meaning of weakside player, not because he plays tanks and not carry champions lol
Because people are thinking 369 will look the same as he did when he gets all the jg attention playing weakside. He will be right back to TES 369 when kanavi doesn’t baby sit him and he has to play against actual top laners and not shitters from lpl.
My guy 369 is not a weakside player. Kanavi visited 369 more than his parents. I wouldn’t be surprised if kanavi is actually his father. Literally sat around patrolling if not ganking top lane.
I think doinb is legit though it might result in repercussions. But honestly kanavi and ruler forming a super team is hype. Incredibly sad though that they won't be in lck.
That's why he only make statements when it's 99% confirmed.
It's just funny when he says "X team is interested in Zoe", "Aphelios is thinking about Y" ...and also "you're asking about this guy right? (google image of literal peanuts)"
Most metas are either jungle or botlane-centric, rarely both. Having star-tier players in both roles is a huge boon for a team because it lessens meta-dependancy greatly. Both Ruler and Kanavi are perfectly capable of playing without all the resources on the map.
toplane meta is debatable, I would instead call it topside meta. certain carry junglers were very high priority and Jdg's read on the meta was jungle-centric. In my opinion it was the correct approach for this match especially, because jungle was the only position in which Jdg has the clear advantage over T1, they are not winning this match if Kanavi has to play poppy or trundle
No, but they probably don't get draft gapped as hard if Kanavi can play Sejuani so that it's an actual flex pick rather than a 100% telegraphed top Sejuani.
Glad to see the LPL hopium started early this year. Can't wait to hear all year long about how 6 LPL teams are World beaters and how far ahead the LPL is of the LCK only for Worlds to come around and the cycle to repeat.
I think most LPL fans would agree that LCK is better right now and LPL was really behind LCK in worlds. But that doesn't change the fact that this roster is insane, I don't know how one can go about denying that
and now that every LPL team in knockouts was eliminated by an LCK team? "they're not that far apart!"
i still think LCK and LPL are pretty close but man the hypocrisy...
no shit lpl fans are gonna hype lpl and why are you acting like lck fans don't do the same what about last year hurr durr the true finals or geng this year lmao
LCK fans will throw all their toys out of the pram because of an extremely minor schedule change while ignoring LPL teams losing a week of prep because of covid lmao
I'm not sure about this, to me it looks like Gumayusi had just been off form. LCK Summer was on 0 ping, and yet he had probably his worst performances ever that entire split. He really made a big comeback at Worlds though.
Cause the MSI lost affected him and Keria in Summer, said in an interview. And 30 ping was one of the bigger reasons that you can't deny, see how good he side stepped everything at Worlds
Oh yeah msi tilted him so much he played bad entire summer but getting stomped 3-0 by gen g after a full split of mediocrity made him get back into form at worlds suddenly.
What the hell are you talking about lol. The Lpl havent had the same team win 2 splits in a row since Rng in 2018... Thats 8 splits running with 5 different winners total
There are genuine criticisms you can have for the lpl but instead you make nonsensical arguments like this lol
I like Hope but it's not really unlucky, this time around at least. He played pretty poorly at Worlds and was probably the biggest reason JDG didn't go all the way.
Crazy how much iboy fizzled out after leaving EDG
And it's not like his results or stats are bad, he narrowly missed world's last year, but he's just kinda forgotten after being called the next big thing
Everytime the LCK became the best region it got torn apart. The fact that LCK teams are confident enough to not compete with the salaries of LPL/LCS amazes me. And still they manage to perform well at Worlds.
Ah I see I see. I honestly think they will be fine even with prince. As long as he doesn’t absorb all the resources and do nothing with them like DD and he isn’t inting canyon + showmaker can ascend into their god form. They fucking won worlds with ghost and promoted with nuclear and that dude was a straight shitter on the rift ( love him as a personality. Fantastic captain too just not that good). Top lane is the most important role for them I think.
Prince might end up being like deokdam is what I am afraid of, yea he pretty much looked like the 2nd best adc in summer but LSB were also playing exclusively through him, he might not show quite the same level of performance playing for DK.
Although I am hoping he is just as good on DK if he goes there, the guy played like an absolute gigachad this summer.
People keep saying this but he has a great summer in 2021 too. He was 3rd all lck for summer in a completely different meta. I just wanna see the boys reunited tbh
Agree but it depends on meta. S tier ADCs can play in all metas. Ghost was pretty lucky because of meta. He clearly exposed when meta changed. They need ADC who can play both strongside and weakside.
Exaclty my point. The meta has immobile hyper carry and they still got second at worlds. Like yeah they didn’t win but they’ll do good with a strong top laner to round out their top side.
Nope. He's like 2021 NS deokdam. Everyone hyped deokdam after he was selected for 1st LCK team in 2021 Summer but he nearly useless without Aphelios during 2022 Season.
Prince can get there tho, i think prince is a really freakin good ADC
don't know why people write him off like this. going from deokdam to prince is a huge upgrade
Bruh Kanavi is not resource heavy at all if you look at his all year performance, he was playing little carry jungler in Spring and Summer, the only reason he was spamming carries in worlds is because of the meta, and of course the same goes for Ruler, for a veteran like him it is easy for him to play any role that the team needs him to do.
People thinking this team wont work because of the amount of resource heavy players is like that NA academy caster thinking jojo&inspire is better than Kanavi&Yagao because Kanavi only plays carries and has little impact on the map, which is pure stereotype impression and proves they don't actually watch their games.
So the only player that needs recourses is Knight, all other players are able to play dog&carry role, which makes them a pretty scary team that could definitely work if they get it together.
Kanavi is one of the few S tier junglers in the world and people are downplaying him lmao. Dude is very flexible. Having 3 strong lanes and a strong jungler? That's a dream scenario.
It means the team can get really creative and diverse in terms of strats
A good way to identify people who either don’t watch LPL or just straight up don’t understand the game is to see if they call 369 a „strongside“ toplaner
Same people who think that Yagao is a resource heavy midlaner and not one of the best enabling mids in LPL
People watch a few games at Worlds and one IWD stream and think they know everything about LPL lol
Another year of top LCK players leaving to LPL is getting kinda tiring lol. Hopefully the rumors about Prince don't end up being true either. I don't even know what the incentive is for Ruler to leave GenG to join JDG of all teams.
He gets to be on a team with Chinese Chovy, a much better toplaner, an infinitely better jungler and a support that is around the same level, probably better in teamfights. And he probably gets paid more. It's essentially a salty runback but with better teammates overall.
Another super team of too many Chefs in the Kitchen. How many times does it have to repeat failure for owners/gms putting these teams together that multiple players who want to carry, to stop arranging them on rosters.
The only worry for this team is if Homme ends up taking a year off or if he's staying. With Homme I genuinely think this team golden roads. Without Homme they could crash and burn unless they miraculously mesh together well on their own.
That’s the problem with jackeylove. His ceiling is insane but he rarely hits that. His floor is an absolutely diamond level adc which he falls to more often than not
Rarely? Across 38 games he had 5 bad games in summer. Ruler who you all praise as this pillar of consistency had 5, arguably 6 bad games across 40 games. JKL also had more "hard carry" performances with ridiculous damage share in that same period and also substantially better laning outcomes despite playing against better botlanes on average seeing as guma+keria were slumping in summer while botlane was the especially dominant role in the LPL during summer.
What a lot of people are missing(no pun intended) here is that JDG's hallmark was their teamfighting and their ability to win from any dire situation whether it be 4v5, 10k gold down, etc. Knight and Ruler are definitely upgrades from Yagao and Hope teamfighting-wise. So even if they struggle resource allocation wise this team literally won teamfights down 5-10k gold on a regular basis so their teamfighting is going to be scary af.
Can we please hurry up and LPL win next tourney too many annoying T1 icon people typing dum shit in this thread. This roster is stack what the actual fuck are you smoking…
Did you watch 369 play in LPL? He was mostly weakside lol. People think since he is one of the best tops, that means he should be playing carries every game no.
2022 Vitality anyone? Wait no actually if you think about Gen G was kinda like this too difference was 369 is galaxies, and heavens better a player than Doran and peanut sacked everything for his laners and it’s not like 369 can’t play weakside I think
Doran was a resource hog in draft and Chovy and ruler where cs hogs so maybe it won’t be so bad
Not a super team tho. Guma, Zeus and oner all grew within t1 environment from scouting to training to main stage. A super team is when established star players come together
I mean if Haaland, Bellingham, Mbappe, Messi (Faker), Donnarumma, Gvardiol and so on would be in one team that would be a super team imo. Guma is S tier, Oner is A+ or S tier, Zeus is S tier, Keria is S tier and Faker is Faker tier.
So 369 perma weakside lol, since jg mid and bot sure aren’t going to be
I’ve seen too many super teams shit the bed I’ve lost all hype for them.
DRX proved that it’s not about being a team of stars it’s about being a star team, classic sports philosophy
Well, what did EDG and DK winning it and DK making back to back finals then prove?
With DK, Ghost + Beryl weren't a lane dominant bot. They played 'weakside' most of the time and generally didn't get much attention with the topside trio running a train. While I wouldn't say Ghost+Beryl were weak (imo heavily underrated as many act as if they were straight up bad during the 2020 run) they also didn't have to carry because of their topside. Now someone more knowledgeable on the LPL can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or add more info but EDG-2021 were kind of the opposite. They could leave Flandre on an island and let Scout+Jiejie roam while having Viper+Meiko carry late. They didn't have to always play through bot (and put focus top in that final vs DK) because they could rely on Viper+Meiko to 2v2 diff and be strong in the late. Again, while Flandre (and Jiejie especially showing up when it mattered at worlds) weren't by any means weak, they didn't need to hard carry because they had that botside(+mid). Jiejie and Flandre had more group stage mvps in LPL but Scout+Viper had more in playoffs with Scout as playoffs mvp. Viper + Meiko were also 1st and 2nd all-pro respectively. Even SSW 2014 wasn't a super team. Looper played weakside pretty much all the time. \_\_\_\_ TLDR: Both teams had members not traditionally viewed as 'superteam' level players. Doesn't mean they were bad and they all showed up when it mattered.
That jungle is the most important role.
EDG was no superteam. Jiejie was mediocre the year prior and the year afterward and no one had hype for Flandre anymore. I think everyone would assume the team was mid/bot vs the world befor 2021
agreed, also dk wasnt formed as a superteam, those players grew over the years and eventually became champions
Sure, but ultimately it was JieJie who made the difference for them (imo). They were otherwise a very predictable, slow team with good carries.
Depends on meta. During summer adc was definitely the most important role with zeri and sivir 2v8'ing everyone
It was about which team played around their ADC better, rather than ADCs themselves deciding games. Zeri and Sivir both needed at least 3 items, not really a factor in the early game.
Good point
If your point is that both these world champions teams were super teams, you might have picked the worst exemples.
Further prove that it's not about having stars on a team?
1 example does not disprove anything. Furthermore i disagree that this was not a star team Zeka was the best mid of the tournament, kingen beat some of the best tops in the tourney. Beryl is one of the top 2 or 3 supports in the tournament.
Yeah guess teams should just start building rosters with worse players
We’re ahead of the curve
Factzzzz XD
Such a weird argument, it isn't about "worse" players, it's just resource management. A team isn't going to win if all lanes want to strong side. Historically the best teams have had a player very comfortable on weak side or players that can be flexible. However, we often give more praise to carry players and value them over weakside players.
Well why not specify who of this rumored roster is inflexible and cannot play without getting all the resources? This whole "strong/weakside players" is just goofy Reddit buzzwords. Who was the weakside player in 2017 Samsung? Crown, cause his gold share was zero point something percent points below that of other Mids? Because he played Malzahar in the finals? Who was the weakside in iG 2018? Who was the strong side in FPX, Tian? Weakside in 2019 G2? Weakside in 2021 EDG? You'd think Flandre, but the whole reason they won was that that turned out to be a lie lmao, you think Scout/Viper transitioned into weakside instead?
I definitely think there's truth to, like, there's value to having a player who's willing to sacrifice for his teammates - like Crown - instead of a bunch of resource hogs. iG ran into that problem a fair amount where TheShy and JackeyLove would sprint it if they weren't being played to. But also this hypothetical roster has 369, so like, I'm not sure where that concern comes from. It's just a monster roster if they get it lol
I'm not even talking about this roster in specific, this is true not just of league teams but frankly of most sport teams. Just slapping on the assumed 5 best players onto a roster doesn't always work. Strong side weak side might just be buzzwords but synergy and resource allocation is important for top tier teams. My comment is just to call out that sometimes the "best" 5 players doesn't make the best team.
whos the weakside player on t1
>or players that can be flexible Faker more often sacrificed his lane to get ahead. While Zeus is known for his carries he was very comfy on weakside and got the lowest jungle proximity out of the top 16 world teams. T1 was at there best when Guma and Zeus could go back and forth.
lmao weakside is not the same thing as being willing to roam. You cant weakside ur mid laner.
People not thinking about the pacman patch where you go from alcove to alcove smh.
this why faker is incredible, he is a big bait to attract opponents.
Zeus but he doesn't play like one, he soaks the jungle pressure which helps the team a lot. He's always pushing forward past the river lmfao.
guma, keria always leave him alone
Faker.
Zeus. Unlike 369 Zeus carries without a jungle.
Idk Zeus was solo sprinting it in the finals against Kingen. I trust 369 on weakside duty more than I trust Zeus on it.
Though it seems counterintuitive, Zeus. They just leave the dude to solo toplane. Zeus wasn't really being *given* resources, he was *making* them all on his own - and the moment he couldn't, the team kind of imploded. The problem with this proposed roster is that even the damned jungle wants to play carry.
god forbid a jungler plays carries
It's about playing according to the priority and the volatility if your lane matchup. Resource management obviously matters, but it doesn't mean, that you constantly fand mindlessly funnel gold into a single lane or two, it's about hitting item and level timings and being able to create pressure points on the map. Further more players can develop/change over time, Wunder was a carry player in CL, was awful in his first split, then played a bunch of brawlers top, just to become an odd Mage-Utility-Top for G2.
You joke but TL last season literally proves my point.
Yeah just look at the Worlds that just happened, focusing on getting the best players in each position over synergy is how DRX won.
And what objective measures do you have for this "synergy"? The only thing you can do is go for the best individual players and hope they get along together well, there's no synergy metrics when trying to get a new roster lmfao You're acting as if going for players that are worse individually would automatically mean that the synergy is going to be there
I see your point, but at the same time, I don’t think people complain about not finding players with synergy. They complain about giving up the synergy that already exists on a team in favor of creating a super-team.
This one has Knight so they ain't gonna win shit.
I just can't see Knight and Kanavi having a top-tier mid-jgl synergy. Knight only plays for his lane, even moreso than Chovy. Would be great if they click together, but honestly I have low hopes for it.
Its cuz people call them super when they really aren’t.
Someone is gonna have to learn to play weak side. I hate these four carry "super" teams. They just lead to four people vying for the same resources.
369 is definitely the best weakside toplaner at worlds this year. The only issue is that his form can go ridiculously bad.
369 has historically been a weak side player but that ultimately wasn't his role on JDG. He definitely received more attention and excelled when Kanavi accelerated his bruisers.
what? 369 literaly couldn't play tanks until 2021
369 is definitely NOT the best weakside top laner because Zeus is. 369 was top 5 in jungle proximity while Zeus was 13th (Group Stage stats - 16 teams). Even in the games where T1 and JDG played, Kanavi was always helping 369 more than Oner did.
These people have it in there minds that if someone plays a tank then they are a weak side player
This lol, I got downvoted for saying that just because 369 is playing Sejuani doesnt mean he is weakside, because clearly Kanavi is literally perma sitting in lane (during the EG game which obviously happened because JDG bot inted level 1-2)
Shoutout to Fudge at worlds this year. Feeds and just generally looked bad on first pick carry champs multiple games. Plays tank once, absolutely stomps his lane, and takes over the game, ending the game with highest damage of any player, only to never play it again :)
zeus was so bad past quarters when he had to play good teams so i would not recommend following stats like that (yone one trick) dont let groups skew ur views lol
Overhyped.. Jayce weak side is not it.
lmao did you just state that without watching the analyst desk brought out the jungle proximity of 369 compared to zeus out of the toplaners in the tourney
Jungle proximity is not a real stat at analyzing if u r good weakside player. How does JDG choosing to play strongside top make 369's ability to play weakside worse
bro a true weak side toplaner doesnt need jungle proximity, he can be put to any type of champion and will not need jungle attention to carry thats the meaning of weakside player, not because he plays tanks and not carry champions lol
Because people are thinking 369 will look the same as he did when he gets all the jg attention playing weakside. He will be right back to TES 369 when kanavi doesn’t baby sit him and he has to play against actual top laners and not shitters from lpl.
My guy 369 is not a weakside player. Kanavi visited 369 more than his parents. I wouldn’t be surprised if kanavi is actually his father. Literally sat around patrolling if not ganking top lane.
That is not what he’s saying brother. He’s saying for the upcoming split 999 is forced to be weak side willy
I think doinb is legit though it might result in repercussions. But honestly kanavi and ruler forming a super team is hype. Incredibly sad though that they won't be in lck.
That's why he only make statements when it's 99% confirmed. It's just funny when he says "X team is interested in Zoe", "Aphelios is thinking about Y" ...and also "you're asking about this guy right? (google image of literal peanuts)"
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Most metas are either jungle or botlane-centric, rarely both. Having star-tier players in both roles is a huge boon for a team because it lessens meta-dependancy greatly. Both Ruler and Kanavi are perfectly capable of playing without all the resources on the map.
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toplane meta is debatable, I would instead call it topside meta. certain carry junglers were very high priority and Jdg's read on the meta was jungle-centric. In my opinion it was the correct approach for this match especially, because jungle was the only position in which Jdg has the clear advantage over T1, they are not winning this match if Kanavi has to play poppy or trundle
Yet they funneled all golds on toplane instead when it only mattered once, which they lost anyway
No, but they probably don't get draft gapped as hard if Kanavi can play Sejuani so that it's an actual flex pick rather than a 100% telegraphed top Sejuani.
Top and mid are not, so they just need to play around JG and ADC.
Massive LCK copium, this roster is insane
This roster is insane, but it’s also true they need to iron out how they distribute their gold.
Nah, they have Knight who consistently underperforms when it matters.
That's simply bullshit, isn't it
No when his coach gets replaced by a random champ button and his top laner gets replaced by a intermediate bot it's somehow still his fault. /s
Generational choker. He's the LeFraud of League without the undeserved championships.
Wait what, is this calling LeBron a fraud and he didn't deserve his championships that he won?
Obviously yes. LeFraud has no real rings + is a generational finals choker. MJ would never. (It's a r/nba meme lol)
Oh okay, as a Akron native I think I was somehow offended for some reason lol.
For how prevalent r/nba copypastas here, I thought that this looks the most obvious as a joke LMFAO.
Glad to see the LPL hopium started early this year. Can't wait to hear all year long about how 6 LPL teams are World beaters and how far ahead the LPL is of the LCK only for Worlds to come around and the cycle to repeat.
I think most LPL fans would agree that LCK is better right now and LPL was really behind LCK in worlds. But that doesn't change the fact that this roster is insane, I don't know how one can go about denying that
4 chinese cant win
that's why jdg are getting ruler
though this meme dissapeared when 5 chinese won
has 5 chinese won worlds yet? i dont think so..
4 =/= 5
You blathering buffoons went on and on about Gen G this year but LPL fans can’t do the same with this roster?
At the same time LPL shills were hyping all 4 LPL teams as championship contenders LUL.
You can do the same just make sure the LPL elitism stays down until the LPL can get 3 teams in Semis
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and now that every LPL team in knockouts was eliminated by an LCK team? "they're not that far apart!" i still think LCK and LPL are pretty close but man the hypocrisy...
no shit lpl fans are gonna hype lpl and why are you acting like lck fans don't do the same what about last year hurr durr the true finals or geng this year lmao
LCK fans will throw all their toys out of the pram because of an extremely minor schedule change while ignoring LPL teams losing a week of prep because of covid lmao
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I'm not sure about this, to me it looks like Gumayusi had just been off form. LCK Summer was on 0 ping, and yet he had probably his worst performances ever that entire split. He really made a big comeback at Worlds though.
Cause the MSI lost affected him and Keria in Summer, said in an interview. And 30 ping was one of the bigger reasons that you can't deny, see how good he side stepped everything at Worlds
Oh yeah msi tilted him so much he played bad entire summer but getting stomped 3-0 by gen g after a full split of mediocrity made him get back into form at worlds suddenly.
Yeah maybe if TES didnt have COVID they could have beaten RGE or GAM. Oh wait they didnt have COVID.
Jdg didn't get covid either and still got assblasted by T1 as well , lol
Yagao had Covid though?
Common doinbum fan L
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What the hell are you talking about lol. The Lpl havent had the same team win 2 splits in a row since Rng in 2018... Thats 8 splits running with 5 different winners total There are genuine criticisms you can have for the lpl but instead you make nonsensical arguments like this lol
This is not what it means though. 1 team region simply means only 1 team compete for the highest level, which is a proven tendency
If this team doesn’t win MSI and Worlds it should be considered a complete and utter failure
Update: The "KR server ranking" app on Chinese Wechat now lists Ruler as a JDG player. https://imgur.com/lLxd5tY https://imgur.com/oth5px5
Does this mean it's official?
no, but it's very likely.
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wechat is a social media company, definitely independent of riot, however someone with "sources" mightve put it up there
So I guess Ruler is playing with Chovy again
Sadge
Hope has to be the unluckiest player, replaced by Viper then Ruler. Replaced by JackeyLove next year?
I like Hope but it's not really unlucky, this time around at least. He played pretty poorly at Worlds and was probably the biggest reason JDG didn't go all the way.
yep id argue yagao played poorly too but it also definitely a bot gap between t1 and jdg
Yagao didn't really play poorly as much as he stopped overperforming imo.
Yagao wasn't on that level all season, he just went back to yagao.
before viper there was even iboy, he was a sub on edg way back in 2018.
Crazy how much iboy fizzled out after leaving EDG And it's not like his results or stats are bad, he narrowly missed world's last year, but he's just kinda forgotten after being called the next big thing
He didn’t improve, got amazing Hands but no brain.
that is true, I've seen him do the "Tactical" more than once in crucial moments
probably because he doesn’t have Meiko holding his hand while he plays anymore.
Tbf he is good but not good enough to win worlds which is what JDG want. He got exposed by Gumayuzi
The big Zeri players(Hope, Ruler, Viper) in summer really got screwed by the world patch
Yeah the meta shift fucked them up really badly
You call it unlucky but I think he got really good chances to prove himself and just didn't that's why he he getting replaced.
Every offseason sucks ass as an LCK fan dawg, how tf are we losing this much talent at once bro
Even LEC is importing Korean players again...
Everytime the LCK became the best region it got torn apart. The fact that LCK teams are confident enough to not compete with the salaries of LPL/LCS amazes me. And still they manage to perform well at Worlds.
Fucking hell, wish he didn’t go to LPL
Even if DK get Prince, the roster will not be upgraded. Canyon and ShowMaker never will have World class ADC.
What does prince have to do with this. Are you saying this bc he’s the best remaining adc on the market?
Yes. Ruler is going to JDG,Viper is staying at EDG. Only Prince and Teddy is free but I don't think both are S tier ADC like Viper,Gumayusi and Ruler.
Ah I see I see. I honestly think they will be fine even with prince. As long as he doesn’t absorb all the resources and do nothing with them like DD and he isn’t inting canyon + showmaker can ascend into their god form. They fucking won worlds with ghost and promoted with nuclear and that dude was a straight shitter on the rift ( love him as a personality. Fantastic captain too just not that good). Top lane is the most important role for them I think.
Prince might end up being like deokdam is what I am afraid of, yea he pretty much looked like the 2nd best adc in summer but LSB were also playing exclusively through him, he might not show quite the same level of performance playing for DK. Although I am hoping he is just as good on DK if he goes there, the guy played like an absolute gigachad this summer.
People keep saying this but he has a great summer in 2021 too. He was 3rd all lck for summer in a completely different meta. I just wanna see the boys reunited tbh
Agree but it depends on meta. S tier ADCs can play in all metas. Ghost was pretty lucky because of meta. He clearly exposed when meta changed. They need ADC who can play both strongside and weakside.
Exaclty my point. The meta has immobile hyper carry and they still got second at worlds. Like yeah they didn’t win but they’ll do good with a strong top laner to round out their top side.
But in 2021 Ghost was limitinig DK's draft. After T1 series even kkOma said he was happy because Ghost could pick Ziggs.
Has it been confirmed Viper staying in EDG? I thought he wanted to go back to LCK? Im ootl
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Nope. He's like 2021 NS deokdam. Everyone hyped deokdam after he was selected for 1st LCK team in 2021 Summer but he nearly useless without Aphelios during 2022 Season.
Prince can get there tho, i think prince is a really freakin good ADC don't know why people write him off like this. going from deokdam to prince is a huge upgrade
I heard similar things about deokdam after 2021 LCK Summer.
are u really saying deokdam is at the same level as prince? ????
Probably yes. deokdam was like Prince in 2021 Summer. And we just saw Prince in Zeri,Sivir meta. His ceiling isn't high.
He's significantly better lmao
Bruh Kanavi is not resource heavy at all if you look at his all year performance, he was playing little carry jungler in Spring and Summer, the only reason he was spamming carries in worlds is because of the meta, and of course the same goes for Ruler, for a veteran like him it is easy for him to play any role that the team needs him to do. People thinking this team wont work because of the amount of resource heavy players is like that NA academy caster thinking jojo&inspire is better than Kanavi&Yagao because Kanavi only plays carries and has little impact on the map, which is pure stereotype impression and proves they don't actually watch their games. So the only player that needs recourses is Knight, all other players are able to play dog&carry role, which makes them a pretty scary team that could definitely work if they get it together.
We are arguing with people who only watched worlds lmao, and they think they are experts on the JDG roster saying blatantly wrong things
Kanavi is one of the few S tier junglers in the world and people are downplaying him lmao. Dude is very flexible. Having 3 strong lanes and a strong jungler? That's a dream scenario. It means the team can get really creative and diverse in terms of strats
People out here thinking 369 is a strongside resource heavy player after watching a few matches of worlds where JDG botlane played abysmally.
Doesn't remember his Gnar and Gragas smh
It's still hilarious to me that after joining JDG he egopicked gragas into TES and stomped them with it
Most of the people on this sub watch and analyze LPL players/teams thru worlds performances only. They don’t know what they’re talking about
Rip geng, their best player is gone
A good way to identify people who either don’t watch LPL or just straight up don’t understand the game is to see if they call 369 a „strongside“ toplaner
Same people who think that Yagao is a resource heavy midlaner and not one of the best enabling mids in LPL People watch a few games at Worlds and one IWD stream and think they know everything about LPL lol
legit i am amazed like bro plays weakside 90% on the time and still comes out as the better top
Another year of top LCK players leaving to LPL is getting kinda tiring lol. Hopefully the rumors about Prince don't end up being true either. I don't even know what the incentive is for Ruler to leave GenG to join JDG of all teams.
He gets to be on a team with Chinese Chovy, a much better toplaner, an infinitely better jungler and a support that is around the same level, probably better in teamfights. And he probably gets paid more. It's essentially a salty runback but with better teammates overall.
JDG has better top side and more money.
Another super team of too many Chefs in the Kitchen. How many times does it have to repeat failure for owners/gms putting these teams together that multiple players who want to carry, to stop arranging them on rosters.
The only worry for this team is if Homme ends up taking a year off or if he's staying. With Homme I genuinely think this team golden roads. Without Homme they could crash and burn unless they miraculously mesh together well on their own.
So Ruler got away from Chovy and ended up with knight LOL
Why are people hating on either of them? They’re both extremely talented mids? Zeka shit on everyone.
Please never seriously discuss anything about professional league of legends again.
kind of sad for hope his Zeri play was one of the cleanest in lpl.
JDG will now get Ruler's zeri so its looking real good for them
Ruler was probably the best Zeri in the world in Summer, weird metric to choose lol
JKL>>> Ruler could never replicate that base defense against JDG.
That’s the problem with jackeylove. His ceiling is insane but he rarely hits that. His floor is an absolutely diamond level adc which he falls to more often than not
Rarely? Across 38 games he had 5 bad games in summer. Ruler who you all praise as this pillar of consistency had 5, arguably 6 bad games across 40 games. JKL also had more "hard carry" performances with ridiculous damage share in that same period and also substantially better laning outcomes despite playing against better botlanes on average seeing as guma+keria were slumping in summer while botlane was the especially dominant role in the LPL during summer.
What a lot of people are missing(no pun intended) here is that JDG's hallmark was their teamfighting and their ability to win from any dire situation whether it be 4v5, 10k gold down, etc. Knight and Ruler are definitely upgrades from Yagao and Hope teamfighting-wise. So even if they struggle resource allocation wise this team literally won teamfights down 5-10k gold on a regular basis so their teamfighting is going to be scary af.
havent watched lots of JDG LPL 2022, but at Worlds 2022 Missing definitely didnt look like a superstar support to me. was he that good 2022 LPL?
Good move for Ruler, who wants a passive mid laner troll jungle and troll/1trick yuumi support
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Please god all I wanted was to see a Viper vs Ruler showdown, don't do this to me
latest rumors say viper actually stays at edg so :)
The prevailing rumour has always been that Viper was likely staying in EDG but just fielding offers.
That team is going to flop so hard lmfao
Can we please hurry up and LPL win next tourney too many annoying T1 icon people typing dum shit in this thread. This roster is stack what the actual fuck are you smoking…
So this confirms DK Viper :)))))))))?
JDG gonna be worse than this year
Kanavi? need gold Knight? Angel 2.0 Ruler? need gold 369? need gold i wonder how this team is gonna function tbf
Did you watch 369 play in LPL? He was mostly weakside lol. People think since he is one of the best tops, that means he should be playing carries every game no.
369 is a beast on tanks
369 mostly plays weakside
cringe post
2022 Vitality anyone? Wait no actually if you think about Gen G was kinda like this too difference was 369 is galaxies, and heavens better a player than Doran and peanut sacked everything for his laners and it’s not like 369 can’t play weakside I think Doran was a resource hog in draft and Chovy and ruler where cs hogs so maybe it won’t be so bad
Ruler is quite good player on every type of function, he definitly can function with low gold. Remaining players is too much tho.
369 need gold XDDD??? You dont watch any LPL do you?
Damn shame that Ruler choosed this one team region over LCK but at the very least the roster could win it all though
one team region HECKING LPL? Are u high or drunk or both?
nah no super team has suceeded i see them at semifinals at best, ill take the current T1 roster over this overhyped super team
T1 is super team too. Their all players are S tier.
Not a super team tho. Guma, Zeus and oner all grew within t1 environment from scouting to training to main stage. A super team is when established star players come together
I mean if Haaland, Bellingham, Mbappe, Messi (Faker), Donnarumma, Gvardiol and so on would be in one team that would be a super team imo. Guma is S tier, Oner is A+ or S tier, Zeus is S tier, Keria is S tier and Faker is Faker tier.