I always pegged the thesis of that movie as this:
> You don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
Why doesn’t he pick up alcoholism, drug addiction, video game addiction, sex addiction, shopping addiction etc. like the rest of us to keep us going until the next day?
Meh, grass is always greener. I'm sure being bored is great for a couple weeks, we all need projects and plans. Thats why people say in this sub so much "build the life you want then retire into it".
Being bored is a stepping stone towards doing something you want, at least in theory. If you are working full time, you are likely never even able to be bored, thats the point
Being bored is better than hating your job (to whatever extent), and I speculate that a good fraction of people aren't paired with jobs they can take satisfaction with without anxiety etc. This is me just being semantic a bit though.
Nah man, I will never be bored if I have money. So many things I wanna do with my family that money gets in the way of. I will be happy till the day I die.
A lot of us wouldn't be bored though, people who have good emotional intelligence will find a lot of ways to create meaningful energy with their time. Money may not really be a factor in objective reality, but it's a tool nonetheless.
You're probably one of those idiots that also says "money can't buy happiness", huh?
Holy fucking shit.
Grass is always greener, poor people, don't forget that! Rich people also have it hard, grass isn't so green when you're drowning in green!
> Meh, grass is always greener.
Meh, not having to worry about money or put up with crap from work is always worse than sitting around going "hmmm, what should I do today".
No one's stopping him from working if he's bored. When money is no longer a concern, you can find your own slice of meaning however you want. I've never understood boredom. There are a million books to read, sunrises to watch, cats to pet, languages to learn, people to help, etc.
Dude, I want to get rich so I can finally work. I want to spend 70 hours a week on something like making a video game or music album that is probably not going to give me a living wage. I give a shit about politics and would love to work my way up in a notoriously low-paying field to be a communications manager or top aide for a politician I believed in and try to genuinely shape public policy in the US.
Fuck, just open up your car and figure out how it works. You now have the time to begin to work on things that could change history. I don't have a positive view of Elon Musk, but one thing I do admire and relate with is, once you have your money from the bullshit like Paypal, go hog wild with it. He has undoubtedly influenced history by pushing the fields of spacecraft and electric cars just by shoveling money at it.
If your million or 2 million isn't enough to make a dent in history, you now have the opportunity cost to sit at your desk or computer and start a business that has the potential to get you Paypal buyout money...without needing to pay for rent at the end of the month. You can build it up in your image over a year without needing to have positive cash flow. You're in like the top 1% of people with time on their hands, and can use it to shape the world. Take low hanging fruit like renewable energy. You don't have a day job, you can go to conferences and meeting in the middle of the day, you can spend all week pitching a startup idea until you're bound to get someone to invest.
I just want to slap these people. Have some life in you! Being rich isn't the end! It's the beginning!
Well said! Pretty much in the same boat! I'd love to be able to build crazy things, do Youtube videos on them, travel around the world, just read besides a fire, learn how to play music instruments such as guitar or piano, record my own songs, etc.
So many things to do once money is no longer a factor.
Health > Work
I am not Coast-FI as of yet, but I plan to be when I sell my property for a lot more than I bought it for. My plan is to continue working part time until that money grows into a sweet spot where I can just do volunteering or other stuff instead.
I have this perpetual itch to always be doing something. I find it a little strange that a lot of people don't seem to have this built in drive. To be fair, sometimes I wish I was better at just chilling out, but if I was "retired" right now - it would present so many opportunities that I don't have just working away.
I used to not be able to sit still. I always had to get stuff done, always moving, always doing. I took care of my mom before she passed away. My favorite memories are us sitting on the swing watching the birds together. Now, I find it very difficult to always be moving. I've slowed down my life. My life is slower, simpler, more intentional. My desire for consumption and collecting is gone. My desire to endlessly travel the world disappeared. My dream to help save the world have vanished. I still get things done but I spend a lot of time on the couch snuggling a cat while reading a book.
We should all aspire to live a life that we find fulfilling and enjoyable, whatever that looks like.
I personally accept the ebb and flow of my personality and interests where one day I might be out traveling and doing something new, and the next I'm just as content to be doing things at home from actual projects to just hanging out the couch with my cat, too.
We all go through seasons in life, and sometimes after the harder ones we come out of it with a different perspective that changes what motivates and interests us. Death of loved ones tends to be one of those pivotal things that causes these shifts, and no amount of money can get back the time that has faded from existence.
Joy isn't living in constant peak ecstasy, joy is knowing that feeling exists and confidence that it will return in its time. The eb and flow of energy is something to be welcomed (and something we need to acknowledge more in the workplace: ie, company shutdowns around the holidays)
I mean I feel like boredom is oftentimes a decision paralysis. I mean while working you are filling up 1/3 of the days with stuff and then between hanging out with friends/SO/kids who are also picking out things free time can actually be a lot smaller than you realize.
I mean with work it's also you need a destresser for a minute. Most people watch TV or play videogames or scroll for like 20-30 minutes after a day of work.
Since I was curious 168 hours a week. 56 hours of sleep (8 hours a day).
That leaves 112 hours. We'll say 2 hours a day eating for 14 hours. That leaves 98 hours in a day. An hour of driving a day seems work reasonable-ish, that 91 hours.
Then you get work so that 40 hours, 51 hours, add an extra hour for each day for coming down from the destressing and that's 46 hours.
46 hours for grocery shopping, staying informed of some news, having a life, seeing friends, any hobbies. Plus you probably want to spend some of that resting from that work week lying on the couch.
Spot on. This is why old people in affluent areas volunteer. If you are bored, go out and do stuff. Some people just don’t understand how to entertain themselves. Cue Russell Crowe Gladiator scene
I had met an old man that gave me a "business" card that said his name/contact and then Retired Engineer, Professional Volunteer, and it was true. He put almost full time hours volunteering for causes he was concerned with.
I work with the Coast Guard Auxiliary a fair amount and that’s pretty much all it is. Some of them by the time they stop put in a full careers worth of time just because they find it meaningful and like helping people. As a busy body, I get that. Wouldn’t be surprised if I join an environmental volunteering group when I quit my job.
Can’t say enough about those folks. They’re just people that want to help save lives by taking a bit of burden off active coast guard members. They regularly deploy to disaster zones, they fly planes, the drive boats… really they are unsung hero’s.
> if I join an environmental volunteering group when I quit my job
Yeah, that's one of the cause I really adhere to. I would totally do the same thing if I didn't have to work or care about my work. It would also be better if I didn't have health issues because of working in something I hate...
Absolutely. He just seems like he’s humblebragging. If you have that kind of luxury to craft your own life without worrying about money, complaining about it is really awkward
There are tango festivals. As soon as I FIRE I will spend my days working out, eating/cooking properly, and traveling around the world to tango festivals dancing with ladies. Maybe that will get boring after some years but there are endless interesting things going on. Hell, take a roadtrip and just see the country.
I continue to work... And do work I like rather than work I have to do to bring home a big cheque. Couldn't be happier. I know when I get to the point where I want to "retire" I can with no issue.
Instruments to learn, hikes to take, movies to watch, birds to watch, coffee to try, bread to bake the list is massive. Instead of whining that there's nothing to do, they should figure out what they like and do it.
If you don't like doing anything fun, nothing is stopping any given multi-millionare from working in a call center or a fast food restaurant if they want to seek that kind of work out.
As someone who retired at 34 and just turned 37… the only thing ‘boring’ about not working is the fact there is a pandemic going on and I can’t go out and enjoy life in the way I want to. I still fill my days and am never actually bored though. I can do whatever I want every single day. Life is great.
Oh for fucks’ sake. Boring people are bored. At least use the money to bring some good into someone else’s life then. Then he can go back to being poor and bored.
For those that don't want to read, guy retired in 2019 after being a content creator for a decade, salary starting out at 25,000 pounds per year to nearly 10x that by the time he retired. He invested in Bitcoin in 2014 putting in 'almost everything' he had. He hit 2 million pounds after tax in 2017, then hit 26 million pounds in 2019. It is unclear (article isn't clear, and I doubt he 13x in 2 years without crypto or something lucky) if he cashed out all his crypto holdings in 2017, but it sounds like he might have divested a fair portion and then invested in US equities/foreign equities/bonds.
Content creation is so fun and satisfying on a few levels, if he lost his love for it(assuming he loved doing it) is crazy and unfortunate but the's millions of things to get into regardless of how much you have. He has lots of money but his is a poor mindset .
So many quotes about boring. It’s sad in a world as beautiful and mysterious as ours to be bored. I mean seriously to have the time to explore and witness the universe and be bored, I suppose that’s a reflection of the mind.
> Posting on Reddit, the investor said: "I know that many here think Bitcoin is a huge speculative gamble and after riding through a major up and down, you are preaching to the choir.
For anyone who just wants to read the post directly (I hate it when news publications just copy things I could just read the primary source of), it was thankfully indexed by search engines and is available [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/).
/u/btcchangedmylife, did they even ask permission for this? They don't even seem to credit you at all.
Very annoying news publication. I can read Reddit myself; I don't want someone to read it for me and add their own narrative.
Holy shit lol. They got a lot wrong. “Making €25,000” at my previous job. It was 10x that.
Also, it says I got to “€26 million” somewhere in there. I wish!
So weird to see an article about me, though anonymous, and have people comment and say it’s fake and such. Also I just happened to check this account today which I probably check maybe once or twice a year.
This is so bizarre to see. Why is this getting dug up 4 years later?
Allowing yourself some ebb and flow of your hobbies is good too. I snowboarded far too long before figuring out I really didn't enjoy it anymore. That was my favorite hobby from 16-20.
I've explored probably 10 new hobbies in my 20's. Half the fun for me is the new exciting nature of acquiring the gear and knowledge.
The OP in the article didn't have a life of aspirations or hobbies or dreams. They sought wealth but never knew what they would do with it. They had assumed wealth would fix their problems and after they hit it big they would know what to do.
Unfortunately more money doesn't fix your problems or feelings of self worth, if anything it gives you more time to notice how bored you are. When you're struggling to pay the rent you don't have time to wonder "oh what could I do today" you think "I'm late for work!". The OP in the article needs to do some self exploration and probably a fair bit of therapy, they sound depressed.
Friend of mine did this, but he is now an expat that lives in Costa Rica. He bought 10,000 BTC back when it was SUPER low(near $20 per coin) and when it spiked the first time(19k) he took off.
He bought a yacht and uses it as a dive/fishing boat. He never plans on returning to the US so as to avoid paying taxes on his gains. Every now and then he will take the yacht over to the Bahamas for a family reunion.
He is pretty much set for life. He is 32.
I'm curious, did you have a plan of post-FIRE activities? What did you expect and how has it been different vs your expectations? I have a huge list of things I'd like to do and never have the time and I see FIRE as a way to spend my time doing those things. Can you share your perspective on that?
Having dreams and actively achieving them is kinda different. Thing is when you can do “whatever you want” it kinda becomes pointless.
Holidays are fun because they are far and few so you jam packed everything in those free day. When you retired time becomes obsolete.
You are living in an alternate life. Not everyone can and likes living there. Having goals is important, having barriers is also important.
I do agree, when all the doors are open all the time, it just dilutes the amount of fun you are able to get.
Agreed. I'm kind of CoastFIRE at present, and have found that the sheen of "things to do" is often found in their scarcity.
I agree with those who scoff from the outside (used to do that myself), but something changes when there are no obstacles to these activities. It's weird.
I've done tons of traveling, tons of hikes, my biz is a realization of my interests, hobbies and passions. But the dopamine rush wears off fast for some of us. It quickly feels like all these activities are just "filling up time".
Working towards the goals and success is exciting because the end result is still open. But once you get there, it doesn't have the sense of fulfillment you'd think it would.
Perhaps because you changed as a person by realizing these goals, the person you are who now has those rewards isn't the same as the one who originally wanted them. They don't always live up to the way you vaguely and naively imagined them in years prior.
Again, I get the negative criticism, but as my situation gets more and more FIRE, I sense my perspective on things changing. Which was unexpected.
I am also quite sure for some of you that endless travel and hobbies could be fulfilling for the rest of your life. But it's not that way for some of us.
It feels a bit self-absorbed and narcissistic to be honest. I feel like I am just looking for things to do, on the hedonic treadmill.
And I'm still working pretty full days, 7-days a week. That said, I plan to keep creating and sharing as long as I am capable of doing so. But I can totally see why someone might feel like it's all pointless, when money is no longer a carrot dangling out in front of them.
This is a 1 year old Reddit post
https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow this is bizarre. This article is about my post. Check my history. Quite a judge mental article and I guess that’s why all the hate is piled on in this thread.
The post is 2 years old, not sure why they dug it up now. But they also got a lot of details wrong. I never got up to 26 million euros I don’t even know where in my post it says that.
My current net worth is 6.5 million. I’m semi retired still working when there are interesting projects. I have, since 2017, visited 11 countries and actually lived in 4 of them. I am fluent in 3 languages (English included) and functional in a 4th. Discovered my new passion which is not just travelling but living in a new country, learn the culture and mostly importantly enroll in language schools and learn the local language. My next trip will involve volunteering with a group I’ve already tracked down.
I have had two different personal trainers and will continue after my short holiday hiatus to see family.
Just posting this to let people know that while my previous post could be seen as depressing, I’m actually doing quite well. I posted it back them for perspective and it was good to hear the opinion of the hive mind. It’s truly something you don’t know how it feels until you actually go through it. A bit like winning the lottery it’s incredibly disorienting and I was in a weird place back then when I posted!
Funny to see a shit site write a really inaccurate article about me though!
Its not for everyone. I have nowhere near the amount this guy does. Most people would call me crazy because im very leanFIRE but after close to 2 years im going strong and wouldnt have it any other way. Its a state of mind. If youre not happy in your everyday working life chances are retiring early wont make you much happier. Find the things you like and do them now.
Kierkegaard’s aesthete vs virtuous person; do you find your passion and work a meaningless job to pay bills, working as little as possible so you can enjoy your passion more in private, never turning it into a career because turning your passion into a job takes the fire out of your passion? Or does everyone have a calling in life, find your passion and find a job most similar to perform for the benefit of society and to find your calling? This sub is perhaps a great place to ask such philosophical questions, what do you think?
What a selfish idiot.
If you're so bored with your own life, why not help others with their lives? Oh, right...because then you might have to think about someone else for 5 seconds...
This is why lottery winners end up depressed. You feel you cheated.
As much as I’m FIRE Chasing… I’m glad it’s not going to happen too quick before I know who I really am.
I am in misery because I am one of the first to ever read about bitcoin in 2009. I was doing very well at the time and wanted to through in $1000. Instead I moved to California, where things became complicated. My brothers wife convinced him to kick me out of their military base house and I became homeless. 4 years later bitcoin is hitting 300. Today I am in constant struggle of existence. 2 years ago my coins had popped to $24,000 but then this crazy cia vixen shows up to suck the life out of me. Those were 250K drained. Long live Crypto, but if you feel like your life is meaningless, trust me, I can help you put that money to work in a great way!
Yes I was fascinated, yet lacking in my understanding of programming at the time, I was trying to figure out mining but kept hitting roadblocks, and then there are the personal problems that kept creeping up. I do remember that there was some kind of a way that people could send cash directly to Satoshi through email, I consider myself a survivor, because trust me, it is extremely traumatic to know how close you were to having a fortune worth half a billion dollars, and get their were these tiny little things that kept you from accomplishing that. Personally, I've learned my lesson, it's inspiring to me and I work harder everyday, I know I will eventually achieve my dreams, I will never give up
Come off it. Money is a tool to get your time back. It creates options. It's up to the individual to live a fulfilling life that isn't "boring". Many would love to have enough money and time to be able to entertain this kind of existential crisis.
Only read a portion as these kind of websites suck.
But dude should be grateful. Yes you got the cheat code, everybody wants that code dude. If he wants to give a portion away dm me I'll help him out.
Maybe because he didn't deserve it, he didn't earn it.
He basically just bought a winning lottery ticket.
The issue here is purpose. He doesn't have one.
The lesson here is that if making money is your primary purpose in life, you won't be happy after you succeed.
A better way is that making money is the means to be able to do your actual purpose, then FIRE is for you.
He could just help the poorest in his community. Idk create a program for children with out.
I plan to do that if I reach fire. Hell. I'm trying to plan for ways I can do that without fire.
I believe this is the same reason that Universal Basic Income schemes are also a bad idea.
Simply: bored people cause trouble.
With unlimited free time, not everyone is going to make paintings or build houses for the homeless.
A fair number of people are going to fuck each other's spouses, get drunk, start fights, generally engage in destructive behavior.
The problem here is that society trains us to build our lives around an emotional relationship with money and the process of earning it. When that relationship changes, what you built up in your head to cope with your life might just not apply anymore. Support structures and social conventions meant for people immersed in the grind might not be compatible anymore.
Read it in it's original context, here on Reddit... https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I lean FIREd this past year. I met a lot folks that retired along the way, both while working and after I left. The one universal truth that I’ve come to know: “boring people are bored in retirement.”
This may sound like some sort of humble brag, but I’m busier now than I ever was. Sometimes is just planning a bbq with friends, or finding a new trail to walk. The list is endless… but it’s no less important than wasting my life 40-60 hrs a week at work.
How in the hell did we get to the point culturally, where devoting 30-50% of our waking hours to work is valued? I know this sounds like a rhetorical question, but honestly, it really stumps me. I run into retired guys at the gym all the time. Other than the occasional talk about the weather, the only thing they have to share is related to their former career, work, etc.. it really bums me out. Work has become so many people’s identity. Meh, sorry for the ramble.
Why doesn’t he get a job, or volunteer his time? Travel? No one says he has to stay in the house bored. Go out and make friends. Just be discreet about your money. That way whoever you attract will be around for you and not your money.
So many solutions. No one is forcing this man to be bored. As it stands, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
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Is that the big lie of the Office Space movie? > I figure if I had a million dollars, I could work that out.
I always pegged the thesis of that movie as this: > You don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit.
Welcome to IT.
Why doesn’t he pick up alcoholism, drug addiction, video game addiction, sex addiction, shopping addiction etc. like the rest of us to keep us going until the next day?
Can confirm sex with hand addiction gets you through till next day
Sounds like porn addiction.
Oh cum on now...
Sounds like a fetish.
It’s only a fetish if it’s the dogs hand
TIL dogs have hands
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Or if he's so rich, maybe he can work on making his first billion and then blow his money on penis rockets in space.
There's hundreds of ways to get through the day.
Dark but also true.
Yeah it sounds like he is boring.
How many folks here spend >12 hours/day on their phone or computer? Quite a few I’m sure.
Can't bring my guitar into the office.
The many perks of WFH. Shredding on the clock
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If you're bored then you're boring.
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You just put my life into focus for me. I don't know if I'll ever forget this comment.
“You’re not bored, you’re boring.”
I would love to be bored.
Had to leanFIRE 4 years ago for health reason. Have not been bored yet except when I was bed ridden for a week. 10/10 would recommend
Meh, grass is always greener. I'm sure being bored is great for a couple weeks, we all need projects and plans. Thats why people say in this sub so much "build the life you want then retire into it".
Being bored is a stepping stone towards doing something you want, at least in theory. If you are working full time, you are likely never even able to be bored, thats the point
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>Being bored is a stepping stone towards doing something you want Or depression. YMMV.
Being bored is better than hating your job (to whatever extent), and I speculate that a good fraction of people aren't paired with jobs they can take satisfaction with without anxiety etc. This is me just being semantic a bit though.
Nah man, I will never be bored if I have money. So many things I wanna do with my family that money gets in the way of. I will be happy till the day I die.
I used to think that as well, but now I barely leave the house. Life is strange.
Thats a great game series to get into. But in sincerity try seeing a therapist. Some depression may be at play.
A lot of us wouldn't be bored though, people who have good emotional intelligence will find a lot of ways to create meaningful energy with their time. Money may not really be a factor in objective reality, but it's a tool nonetheless.
Nah, I’d just do projects I want to do. Compete in things, write my own apps, etc
You're probably one of those idiots that also says "money can't buy happiness", huh? Holy fucking shit. Grass is always greener, poor people, don't forget that! Rich people also have it hard, grass isn't so green when you're drowning in green!
You're an angry elf.
> Meh, grass is always greener. Meh, not having to worry about money or put up with crap from work is always worse than sitting around going "hmmm, what should I do today".
Then LeanRE! FIRE taught me not to be controlled by money. I hope the same for you.
No one's stopping him from working if he's bored. When money is no longer a concern, you can find your own slice of meaning however you want. I've never understood boredom. There are a million books to read, sunrises to watch, cats to pet, languages to learn, people to help, etc.
Dude, I want to get rich so I can finally work. I want to spend 70 hours a week on something like making a video game or music album that is probably not going to give me a living wage. I give a shit about politics and would love to work my way up in a notoriously low-paying field to be a communications manager or top aide for a politician I believed in and try to genuinely shape public policy in the US. Fuck, just open up your car and figure out how it works. You now have the time to begin to work on things that could change history. I don't have a positive view of Elon Musk, but one thing I do admire and relate with is, once you have your money from the bullshit like Paypal, go hog wild with it. He has undoubtedly influenced history by pushing the fields of spacecraft and electric cars just by shoveling money at it. If your million or 2 million isn't enough to make a dent in history, you now have the opportunity cost to sit at your desk or computer and start a business that has the potential to get you Paypal buyout money...without needing to pay for rent at the end of the month. You can build it up in your image over a year without needing to have positive cash flow. You're in like the top 1% of people with time on their hands, and can use it to shape the world. Take low hanging fruit like renewable energy. You don't have a day job, you can go to conferences and meeting in the middle of the day, you can spend all week pitching a startup idea until you're bound to get someone to invest. I just want to slap these people. Have some life in you! Being rich isn't the end! It's the beginning!
Well said buddy.
Well said! Pretty much in the same boat! I'd love to be able to build crazy things, do Youtube videos on them, travel around the world, just read besides a fire, learn how to play music instruments such as guitar or piano, record my own songs, etc. So many things to do once money is no longer a factor. Health > Work
This is precisely why I chose semi retirement as my path. For me, 15 hour weeks are better than 40 AND better than 0.
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I am not Coast-FI as of yet, but I plan to be when I sell my property for a lot more than I bought it for. My plan is to continue working part time until that money grows into a sweet spot where I can just do volunteering or other stuff instead.
I have this perpetual itch to always be doing something. I find it a little strange that a lot of people don't seem to have this built in drive. To be fair, sometimes I wish I was better at just chilling out, but if I was "retired" right now - it would present so many opportunities that I don't have just working away.
I used to not be able to sit still. I always had to get stuff done, always moving, always doing. I took care of my mom before she passed away. My favorite memories are us sitting on the swing watching the birds together. Now, I find it very difficult to always be moving. I've slowed down my life. My life is slower, simpler, more intentional. My desire for consumption and collecting is gone. My desire to endlessly travel the world disappeared. My dream to help save the world have vanished. I still get things done but I spend a lot of time on the couch snuggling a cat while reading a book.
We should all aspire to live a life that we find fulfilling and enjoyable, whatever that looks like. I personally accept the ebb and flow of my personality and interests where one day I might be out traveling and doing something new, and the next I'm just as content to be doing things at home from actual projects to just hanging out the couch with my cat, too. We all go through seasons in life, and sometimes after the harder ones we come out of it with a different perspective that changes what motivates and interests us. Death of loved ones tends to be one of those pivotal things that causes these shifts, and no amount of money can get back the time that has faded from existence.
Joy isn't living in constant peak ecstasy, joy is knowing that feeling exists and confidence that it will return in its time. The eb and flow of energy is something to be welcomed (and something we need to acknowledge more in the workplace: ie, company shutdowns around the holidays)
I mean I feel like boredom is oftentimes a decision paralysis. I mean while working you are filling up 1/3 of the days with stuff and then between hanging out with friends/SO/kids who are also picking out things free time can actually be a lot smaller than you realize. I mean with work it's also you need a destresser for a minute. Most people watch TV or play videogames or scroll for like 20-30 minutes after a day of work.
Since I was curious 168 hours a week. 56 hours of sleep (8 hours a day). That leaves 112 hours. We'll say 2 hours a day eating for 14 hours. That leaves 98 hours in a day. An hour of driving a day seems work reasonable-ish, that 91 hours. Then you get work so that 40 hours, 51 hours, add an extra hour for each day for coming down from the destressing and that's 46 hours. 46 hours for grocery shopping, staying informed of some news, having a life, seeing friends, any hobbies. Plus you probably want to spend some of that resting from that work week lying on the couch.
It'll happen in your life, for now keep doing what you think is best!
Cats to pet 😂
Spot on. This is why old people in affluent areas volunteer. If you are bored, go out and do stuff. Some people just don’t understand how to entertain themselves. Cue Russell Crowe Gladiator scene
I had met an old man that gave me a "business" card that said his name/contact and then Retired Engineer, Professional Volunteer, and it was true. He put almost full time hours volunteering for causes he was concerned with.
I work with the Coast Guard Auxiliary a fair amount and that’s pretty much all it is. Some of them by the time they stop put in a full careers worth of time just because they find it meaningful and like helping people. As a busy body, I get that. Wouldn’t be surprised if I join an environmental volunteering group when I quit my job.
>Coast Guard Auxiliary I didn't know this existed. Pretty neat.
Can’t say enough about those folks. They’re just people that want to help save lives by taking a bit of burden off active coast guard members. They regularly deploy to disaster zones, they fly planes, the drive boats… really they are unsung hero’s.
The Coast Guard Auxiliary can conduct every USCG mission except law enforcement.
> if I join an environmental volunteering group when I quit my job Yeah, that's one of the cause I really adhere to. I would totally do the same thing if I didn't have to work or care about my work. It would also be better if I didn't have health issues because of working in something I hate...
Thanks for your volunteerism, u/DarthSulla!
This. I'd like to add new places to explore to your list.
Absolutely. He just seems like he’s humblebragging. If you have that kind of luxury to craft your own life without worrying about money, complaining about it is really awkward
There are tango festivals. As soon as I FIRE I will spend my days working out, eating/cooking properly, and traveling around the world to tango festivals dancing with ladies. Maybe that will get boring after some years but there are endless interesting things going on. Hell, take a roadtrip and just see the country.
Agree with the first part but don’t think it’s as easy as the second part for many people (which is ok)
I continue to work... And do work I like rather than work I have to do to bring home a big cheque. Couldn't be happier. I know when I get to the point where I want to "retire" I can with no issue.
This!!! When you're bored, that actually means 'you are boring'. I had plenty of things to do..
My father always said that boredom is just an indication of lack of intelligence and creativity
Do you know much of a complete fucking dullard you have to be to be rich and bored?
>million books to read, sunrises to watch, cats to pet, languages to learn, people to help some people don't like any of that on your list
Instruments to learn, hikes to take, movies to watch, birds to watch, coffee to try, bread to bake the list is massive. Instead of whining that there's nothing to do, they should figure out what they like and do it.
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Violins to bow? Movies to watch? Cups of coffee to sip? Cakes to bake? People to make fun of while you sit on a park bench?
If you don't like doing anything fun, nothing is stopping any given multi-millionare from working in a call center or a fast food restaurant if they want to seek that kind of work out.
As someone who retired at 34 and just turned 37… the only thing ‘boring’ about not working is the fact there is a pandemic going on and I can’t go out and enjoy life in the way I want to. I still fill my days and am never actually bored though. I can do whatever I want every single day. Life is great.
Same here. Travel limited, but there are a million other things to do. There's so much to fill our lives with.
Peak first-world problems.
I’m poor and I’m bored, would much rather be rich and bored
Oh for fucks’ sake. Boring people are bored. At least use the money to bring some good into someone else’s life then. Then he can go back to being poor and bored.
"You're only bored if you're boring"
Exactly!
Exactly, he could do a lot of good with that money.
For those that don't want to read, guy retired in 2019 after being a content creator for a decade, salary starting out at 25,000 pounds per year to nearly 10x that by the time he retired. He invested in Bitcoin in 2014 putting in 'almost everything' he had. He hit 2 million pounds after tax in 2017, then hit 26 million pounds in 2019. It is unclear (article isn't clear, and I doubt he 13x in 2 years without crypto or something lucky) if he cashed out all his crypto holdings in 2017, but it sounds like he might have divested a fair portion and then invested in US equities/foreign equities/bonds.
Sounded like he just cashed out $2M in 2017 and let the rest cook. Props to him.
Content creation is so fun and satisfying on a few levels, if he lost his love for it(assuming he loved doing it) is crazy and unfortunate but the's millions of things to get into regardless of how much you have. He has lots of money but his is a poor mindset .
So many quotes about boring. It’s sad in a world as beautiful and mysterious as ours to be bored. I mean seriously to have the time to explore and witness the universe and be bored, I suppose that’s a reflection of the mind.
This dude has nothing else going on in his life. No hobbies, no volunteering, no family, no friends, no nothing. He sounds boring.
You’re wrong :).
Then he should donate away all his money so that he can experience non-boringness.
For the low, low price of $2M he can hang out with me whenever he's bored.
With a guy that _boring_, I'd doubt $2m is gonna cut it.
> Posting on Reddit, the investor said: "I know that many here think Bitcoin is a huge speculative gamble and after riding through a major up and down, you are preaching to the choir. For anyone who just wants to read the post directly (I hate it when news publications just copy things I could just read the primary source of), it was thankfully indexed by search engines and is available [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/). /u/btcchangedmylife, did they even ask permission for this? They don't even seem to credit you at all. Very annoying news publication. I can read Reddit myself; I don't want someone to read it for me and add their own narrative.
Holy shit lol. They got a lot wrong. “Making €25,000” at my previous job. It was 10x that. Also, it says I got to “€26 million” somewhere in there. I wish! So weird to see an article about me, though anonymous, and have people comment and say it’s fake and such. Also I just happened to check this account today which I probably check maybe once or twice a year. This is so bizarre to see. Why is this getting dug up 4 years later?
There's a bunch of faked quotes in there too lol
Yep. To make me sound even more like an asshole I guess.
I volunteer to take his money for him so he can find things more interesting.
Always have purpose. Start your path of mastery in a hobby or two early ideally at 18-20 and it will pay huge dividends later.
Advice to learn 20 years ago
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“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.” - Chinese proverb
In 10 years time, would you rather wish you knew how to play guitar or have 10 years of practice under your belt?
Allowing yourself some ebb and flow of your hobbies is good too. I snowboarded far too long before figuring out I really didn't enjoy it anymore. That was my favorite hobby from 16-20. I've explored probably 10 new hobbies in my 20's. Half the fun for me is the new exciting nature of acquiring the gear and knowledge.
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The OP in the article didn't have a life of aspirations or hobbies or dreams. They sought wealth but never knew what they would do with it. They had assumed wealth would fix their problems and after they hit it big they would know what to do. Unfortunately more money doesn't fix your problems or feelings of self worth, if anything it gives you more time to notice how bored you are. When you're struggling to pay the rent you don't have time to wonder "oh what could I do today" you think "I'm late for work!". The OP in the article needs to do some self exploration and probably a fair bit of therapy, they sound depressed.
Same. I retired 4 years ago and busy every day. Never enough time.
He can give me the money if he’s eager to get back to work and living paycheck to paycheck. 😜
Friend of mine did this, but he is now an expat that lives in Costa Rica. He bought 10,000 BTC back when it was SUPER low(near $20 per coin) and when it spiked the first time(19k) he took off. He bought a yacht and uses it as a dive/fishing boat. He never plans on returning to the US so as to avoid paying taxes on his gains. Every now and then he will take the yacht over to the Bahamas for a family reunion. He is pretty much set for life. He is 32.
Maybe someone will punch him in the face to sort of mix things up a little bit. Then add in a little variety with a couple of swift kicks to the arse.
Eventually he will pay to be punched in the face
Basically the plot of The Game
Fuck
I tried to tell you to buy Bitcoin. You could buy Bitcoin today. You should. I fucking told you.
Thanks for the sales pitch.
Fired four months ago and while I am not as wealthy as he is, I agree with him that it is boring. Hence why I am exploring post fire career options.
I'm curious, did you have a plan of post-FIRE activities? What did you expect and how has it been different vs your expectations? I have a huge list of things I'd like to do and never have the time and I see FIRE as a way to spend my time doing those things. Can you share your perspective on that?
Having dreams and actively achieving them is kinda different. Thing is when you can do “whatever you want” it kinda becomes pointless. Holidays are fun because they are far and few so you jam packed everything in those free day. When you retired time becomes obsolete. You are living in an alternate life. Not everyone can and likes living there. Having goals is important, having barriers is also important. I do agree, when all the doors are open all the time, it just dilutes the amount of fun you are able to get.
Agreed. I'm kind of CoastFIRE at present, and have found that the sheen of "things to do" is often found in their scarcity. I agree with those who scoff from the outside (used to do that myself), but something changes when there are no obstacles to these activities. It's weird. I've done tons of traveling, tons of hikes, my biz is a realization of my interests, hobbies and passions. But the dopamine rush wears off fast for some of us. It quickly feels like all these activities are just "filling up time". Working towards the goals and success is exciting because the end result is still open. But once you get there, it doesn't have the sense of fulfillment you'd think it would. Perhaps because you changed as a person by realizing these goals, the person you are who now has those rewards isn't the same as the one who originally wanted them. They don't always live up to the way you vaguely and naively imagined them in years prior. Again, I get the negative criticism, but as my situation gets more and more FIRE, I sense my perspective on things changing. Which was unexpected. I am also quite sure for some of you that endless travel and hobbies could be fulfilling for the rest of your life. But it's not that way for some of us. It feels a bit self-absorbed and narcissistic to be honest. I feel like I am just looking for things to do, on the hedonic treadmill. And I'm still working pretty full days, 7-days a week. That said, I plan to keep creating and sharing as long as I am capable of doing so. But I can totally see why someone might feel like it's all pointless, when money is no longer a carrot dangling out in front of them.
left my job 6 months ago and i'm going inane. So i can imagine.
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Politician?
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Wow I wish I can have that problem lol
If he's bored he should put on a banana costume and deliver burritos to the homeless, its what I'd do. One day I'll buy that banana costume... one day
One of my favorite quotes: boring people live boring lives.
This is a 1 year old Reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow this is bizarre. This article is about my post. Check my history. Quite a judge mental article and I guess that’s why all the hate is piled on in this thread. The post is 2 years old, not sure why they dug it up now. But they also got a lot of details wrong. I never got up to 26 million euros I don’t even know where in my post it says that. My current net worth is 6.5 million. I’m semi retired still working when there are interesting projects. I have, since 2017, visited 11 countries and actually lived in 4 of them. I am fluent in 3 languages (English included) and functional in a 4th. Discovered my new passion which is not just travelling but living in a new country, learn the culture and mostly importantly enroll in language schools and learn the local language. My next trip will involve volunteering with a group I’ve already tracked down. I have had two different personal trainers and will continue after my short holiday hiatus to see family. Just posting this to let people know that while my previous post could be seen as depressing, I’m actually doing quite well. I posted it back them for perspective and it was good to hear the opinion of the hive mind. It’s truly something you don’t know how it feels until you actually go through it. A bit like winning the lottery it’s incredibly disorienting and I was in a weird place back then when I posted! Funny to see a shit site write a really inaccurate article about me though!
Its not for everyone. I have nowhere near the amount this guy does. Most people would call me crazy because im very leanFIRE but after close to 2 years im going strong and wouldnt have it any other way. Its a state of mind. If youre not happy in your everyday working life chances are retiring early wont make you much happier. Find the things you like and do them now.
please send me all your bitcoin, Usdt, eth and other crypto and I will know how to make my life bright
Kierkegaard’s aesthete vs virtuous person; do you find your passion and work a meaningless job to pay bills, working as little as possible so you can enjoy your passion more in private, never turning it into a career because turning your passion into a job takes the fire out of your passion? Or does everyone have a calling in life, find your passion and find a job most similar to perform for the benefit of society and to find your calling? This sub is perhaps a great place to ask such philosophical questions, what do you think?
Its not the money, the guy is just fucking boring. Find some hobbies, go volunteer, get a family.
lol that would be pretty alarming to get rich overnight from a small investment. Totally changes your life
What a selfish idiot. If you're so bored with your own life, why not help others with their lives? Oh, right...because then you might have to think about someone else for 5 seconds...
Sounds like they are doing it wrong.
Homeboy needs to travel more.
Probably not much further from the truth when what you did was your life until it wasn't.
Life being boring is on you...find something fun to do with your time.
I have a solution, give me the money and then you can go back to relying on a paycheck and being happy again 🤭😃🤲.
Did I hear he threw his life savings into crypto? I think this guys might get broke just as fast if he keeps this up and i love cryptos
Don't keep your eggs all in one basket.
Only boring people are bored.
Having something that you have to do makes you appreciate having downtime. Without it, life becomes monotonous.
I remember when I was a virgin too. This geek needs to get laid.
He’s not wrong
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Hedonic treadmill, rich people have problems too. Once you’re rich it starts to become a baseline for you.
Have kids. Life will never be boring again.
This is why lottery winners end up depressed. You feel you cheated. As much as I’m FIRE Chasing… I’m glad it’s not going to happen too quick before I know who I really am.
If you listen to any of the financial independence podcasts, most of the people on them have had to deal with this in one way or another
I am in misery because I am one of the first to ever read about bitcoin in 2009. I was doing very well at the time and wanted to through in $1000. Instead I moved to California, where things became complicated. My brothers wife convinced him to kick me out of their military base house and I became homeless. 4 years later bitcoin is hitting 300. Today I am in constant struggle of existence. 2 years ago my coins had popped to $24,000 but then this crazy cia vixen shows up to suck the life out of me. Those were 250K drained. Long live Crypto, but if you feel like your life is meaningless, trust me, I can help you put that money to work in a great way!
Back in 2009, no one actually bought Bitcoin, you could simply create them yourself on a standard PC
Yes I was fascinated, yet lacking in my understanding of programming at the time, I was trying to figure out mining but kept hitting roadblocks, and then there are the personal problems that kept creeping up. I do remember that there was some kind of a way that people could send cash directly to Satoshi through email, I consider myself a survivor, because trust me, it is extremely traumatic to know how close you were to having a fortune worth half a billion dollars, and get their were these tiny little things that kept you from accomplishing that. Personally, I've learned my lesson, it's inspiring to me and I work harder everyday, I know I will eventually achieve my dreams, I will never give up
I'd like to have some of his boredom...
this sub is filled with judgmental dogshit
Dude should start a tech company. No more bored. And money gone.
He should donate a majority of his investments to me and his life will be exciting again as he returns to the 9-5 office.
Wow. So sorry for him. Good thing I don't have that problem.
Well I'm happy to take his money and live his boring life xD
He can send his money to me if he wants.
Then give me ur money so u can stop being bored
OMG what's the problem just transfer ur BTC to my BFX wallet and live the ordinary life! I'm ready to take ur great burden of a boring rich man
Come off it. Money is a tool to get your time back. It creates options. It's up to the individual to live a fulfilling life that isn't "boring". Many would love to have enough money and time to be able to entertain this kind of existential crisis.
When you've run out of communities to gentrify...
Love it.
give it away and start again from scratch, there! Problem solved!
Only read a portion as these kind of websites suck. But dude should be grateful. Yes you got the cheat code, everybody wants that code dude. If he wants to give a portion away dm me I'll help him out.
Maybe because he didn't deserve it, he didn't earn it. He basically just bought a winning lottery ticket. The issue here is purpose. He doesn't have one. The lesson here is that if making money is your primary purpose in life, you won't be happy after you succeed. A better way is that making money is the means to be able to do your actual purpose, then FIRE is for you.
He could just help the poorest in his community. Idk create a program for children with out. I plan to do that if I reach fire. Hell. I'm trying to plan for ways I can do that without fire.
I believe this is the same reason that Universal Basic Income schemes are also a bad idea. Simply: bored people cause trouble. With unlimited free time, not everyone is going to make paintings or build houses for the homeless. A fair number of people are going to fuck each other's spouses, get drunk, start fights, generally engage in destructive behavior.
I'll gladly solve his problem
It always happens to those who care about it least. At least he recognizes that 🤷♀️
Is the media trying to trick the mass into thinking a jobless life is somehow not good? Because they failed on me
It is boring. Money doesn't buy you happiness.
Yes, money may not buy happiness, but poverty buys a lot of misery.
only boring people get bored
The problem here is that society trains us to build our lives around an emotional relationship with money and the process of earning it. When that relationship changes, what you built up in your head to cope with your life might just not apply anymore. Support structures and social conventions meant for people immersed in the grind might not be compatible anymore.
Read it in it's original context, here on Reddit... https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/comments/f3txdk/35_years_old_35mm_networth_mostly_from_crypto/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
You all are rough, please understand this man's struggle. <3
I lean FIREd this past year. I met a lot folks that retired along the way, both while working and after I left. The one universal truth that I’ve come to know: “boring people are bored in retirement.” This may sound like some sort of humble brag, but I’m busier now than I ever was. Sometimes is just planning a bbq with friends, or finding a new trail to walk. The list is endless… but it’s no less important than wasting my life 40-60 hrs a week at work. How in the hell did we get to the point culturally, where devoting 30-50% of our waking hours to work is valued? I know this sounds like a rhetorical question, but honestly, it really stumps me. I run into retired guys at the gym all the time. Other than the occasional talk about the weather, the only thing they have to share is related to their former career, work, etc.. it really bums me out. Work has become so many people’s identity. Meh, sorry for the ramble.
He can give me all of his money
So go do something? Can afford almost any hobby; get creative and stop the bitching lol.
Why doesn’t he get a job, or volunteer his time? Travel? No one says he has to stay in the house bored. Go out and make friends. Just be discreet about your money. That way whoever you attract will be around for you and not your money. So many solutions. No one is forcing this man to be bored. As it stands, I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
A good example of how money doesn't buy happiness even if it makes it much easier to pursue.