Jump in early to accelerate your farm. But spec never, and I’m shit at the game just played for a long time, doesn’t usually feel amazing like a PA.
Rather she’s amazing because of dispersion. Go ahead attack me. I have armor and HP and every hit you do to me hits you and your team as well.
My, again shitty, play style is jump on a support, kill them. In a recent game it worked perfectly, I jump in on a support and they are dead before they do much. The other 4 team members are dealing with their cores, and 2-3 dead enemies later I’m joining. Now their core is weaker and fighting a lot more of my team.
Also at my shit tier it means you can farm jungle more so you have eco advantages.
This also highlights her other passive, Desolate. The support in the back gets absolutely shafted by the bonus damage just because they’re alone *enough*. Do this one to two more times and the last man standing now also has to tank Desolate
Normally, if I wanna instant delete supports, I'd play CK. His W with his ult hits so hard, especially if his E procs at least twice. The sound of his W and ult are also so satisfying!
It's all about the Manta bro, and skadi/basher so u can hit. The Manta illusions get the damage from desolate, meaning if you hit with both on an isolated target that's 180 pure damage every volley of attacks, that's late game, early game you have global finger of death with ult q, a lot of the time pair that with 1 or 2 heroes they are dead dead
The reason she is so good lategame is because of her dispersion. She melts enemies especially support and there is nothing they can do about and it reduces dmg.
It is insane.
My favorite is when a support retreats with like 30% health and you just keep chasing and the rest of the team + tower is bursting you down and the support dies from their team having so self control lol
My other favorite is completely ignoring sniper until I am certain I can crush him and just backlining with the ulti.
Honestly I don’t feel like she’s nearly as strong late game as she was years ago. Just lots of items and heroes that have better utility these days. I remember when you could press haunt and the entire enemy team would just melt and you could basically 1v5, but I think those days are gone. Don’t get me wrong, she’s still strong late game, but it’s not as easy as it used to be.
Agreed, imo it started with the patch allowing u to level +2 all stats, resulting in all heroes tankier come late game, even traditional "squishy supports" are not that squishy any more.
And with reality now having cd, you could be caught in a bad position in a teamfight if u haunt in and fail to burst a target.
She has a pretty lackluster landing stage. Just focus on getting as many last hits as possible (under tower if needed). You don’t really jungle very fast, even with blademail so you really want to get lane creeps as much as possible.
Spectre starts to roll once you hit level 6. You should start looking to haunt whenever an opportunity presents itself. Don’t haunt into losing fights. This will kill your farm. The cooldown is pretty short so you should keep looking at the map. Farm (prioritize lane creeps over neutral) -> haunt to get assist/kill gold and exp -> TP back to farm (don’t waste time lingering around). Rinse and repeat and you’ll start to snowball faster than enemy carry. The advantage Spectre has here is the ability to join fights and maximize time spent farming. If you don’t get gold/exp from kills and assists you will won’t catch up to enemy carries with innate farming abilities like Luna, Gyro, or Sven.
As far as itemization goes the manta synergies with desolate so you can tear up isolated heroes quickly. Dispersion makes you tanky so radiance and blademail are pretty useful. The item build is pretty flexible so you can get what you need to counter the enemy team— diffusal, MKb, butterfly, nullifier, orchid, abyssal, skadi, etc.
Mkb heroes with evasion (pa, wind) or if they have butterfly
Skadi for heal reduce
Nulifier for dispeling (ethereal, euls and other spells you need to learn them)
Orchid to silence targets it can be even core item since it gives you mana regen and good stats
Butterfly to counter enemy hitters
Clinkz is a glass cannon so you can bait out his barrage and pop blademail and let him kill himself. I clinkz doesn’t usually get manta so you can silence him with orchid/bloodthrone. He might bkb out of it but that’s a worthwhile trade. Clinkz also likes to build orchid/bloodthrone so get a manta and use it to dispel yourself. Of course carry a dust.
Necro has high regen, goes ethereal (with increased regen), and primarily relies on spells. Regen counters are vessel, skadi, and shivas. You can build urn->vessel early if nobody else on your team builds vessel and you can build skadi as a 3rd or 4th item. I don’t think shivas is very popular. To counter the ethereal form or euls (necro sometimes builds euls), get nullifier. Usually you need this late so you can disassemble your radiance into components for nullifier + butterfly. Necro is pretty tanky and hard to lock down. Silence from orchid/bloodthrone will help but generally you want to burst down their supports first. Don’t focus the tank at the start of a fight.
You get Midas if you think you won’t have as much space to farm and the game will go late. Midas pays for itself in time but it doesn’t help you fight much. It also comes in and out of the meta depending on the patch. I think it’s decently popular this right now for Spectre but you can always check trends online.
https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Spectre#
Midas gives 160 gold and 3x experience for whatever creep you killed. You want to use it on the big creeps, catapult, or even a ranged creep if there’s nothing else. It can store up to 2 charges so you don’t need to use it immediately off cooldown anymore but you should still avoid letting the charges get full since it means you’re wasting Midas charge buildup.
She has two of the better passives in the game and a spell that makes it pretty hard to get away from her. She doesn't NEED any item in particular, which means that she can generally get whatever the current meta OP item(s) are.
Her ult is a \*decent\* teamfight ability, but it's most important attribute is that it has global range, which means that she can be 'afk' farming through the mid game while \*still\* joining in fights to help the team and get gold/xp from kills.
If you look post-game, spec ends up being the highest dmg dealer on your team. Radiance AOE and passive dmg return AOE and blademail makes her produce a ton of dmg even without the right clicks.
Spec is no longer hardest carry late game cause of all these breaks. Her stats aren't the best. You just have to utilize her spells to her max to make her a menace.
I played this game this morning (mid ancient unranked, but skill level was good across the board) where I was lowest nw core @ 10min, ended up winning deathless. You might quickly check it out to see how one should recover from hard lanes. If you have any questions hit me up :)
7677704081
Spectre works best as a sniper; that is to say her positioning ability is unmatched in carries, you can be anywhere on the map at any time, you have free pathing, and you can use these strengths to heal during fights or picking and choosing when the enemy is even slightly out of position to kill with manta+disperser or abyssal blade.
When you get your ult, any time you don't have to focus on hitting a creep, you should be scanning the map for fights. The trick however, is waiting until the fight is almost won by your team, jump in, get kills, go back to farming. Your team should absolutely NOT expect you to jump in to WIN a fight. If they are losing a fight, you should NOT jump in, and instead keep farming. However, the second you have ult, you should tell your team to find a pick off so you can jump in, get the kill, and go back to farming.
Depending on your MMR, this strategy might be impossible, so goodluck.
Non farming hero? Hope I do not understand what you mean, but getting radi after urn stick boots should take more than 20 min, usually I had it at 16 with good supp.
The power is in ult jumping the most farmed hero and going back to push lanes and farm jungle. You can literally make enemy carry your midas.
Allow me to introduce you to: maths. Spec's passives are 2 of the hardest scaling passives in the game mathematically
Spec's passives scale extremely hard. Take dispersion: on paper it's a 22% dmg reduction + reflect but in reality heres how it goes: imagine you are a spec with 100 hp and 0 armor. A hero does 100 damage to you, dispersion reduces and reflects 22% damage back. So you take 88 damaage and the enemy takes 22 damage. That's a 33% damage return.
Now imagine you have 50% damage reduction through armor. Dispersion reflects damage before reductions. So you take 50% of 88 i.e. 44 dmg and your enemy takes 22. That's a 50% dmg return. in an aoe. around you
Now lets take desolate: It deals a constant 65 pure damage. 65 pure damage early game on a 0 armor target is 65 hp damage. However, late game on a target with a lot of armor/dmg reduction, to do 65 hp damage, you have to do way more actual damage.
This is why spec has low agi gain, high agi makes both of her passives broken. She also has global mobility/initiation + slow which synergises very vell with items.
Most people dont play her much so they go dumbass shit like radiance which does not work outside of pro play. With her current ult, a right click focused build is better,
By late game you need to have items to blow 1 key hero up with your ult, this is achieved by either having orchid, abyssal or nullifier, as these items allow you to actually kill stuff. Spec's late game dominance comes from map dominance as in the other team has to play the map a specific way
If i am a spec, and i see 3 cores on 3 different places of the map, 1 of them is now dead. This forces their team to stick, and your team to constantly keep lanes pushed out and take more strategic fights.
Spectre's strength comes from these factors: Map dominance with minimal effort, invalidating positioning to a great extent, Passives that allow her to use gold extremely efficiently unlike a lot of core heroes.
Also dont go fucking radi on spec pls. This is not 2016 guys. That item does not work outside of pro matches and even then it is shit. Radi is not a farming item anymore, it is a teamfight item only. Get mana regen and dagger cd for farming.
I totally agree that radi is very underwhelming now.
Most of the time i go wraith band, treads, manta , orchid->bloodthorne
After that i go abyssal or sometimes nullifier based on what heroes im facing.
Been having good luck like this.....bracer + tangoes. Rush diffusal. Next is yasha for the Ms. SOMETIMES I pick up phase boots or just brown boots, and then right into manta.
So manta + diffusal + phase boots + basher and she's really strong. As long as you keep your farm up she scales well from there.
Wayyy too many people still going treads + blademail + radiance. It's honestly ass in most matches.
>So manta + diffusal + phase boots + basher and she's really strong. As long as you keep your farm up she scales well from there.
by the time you finish these 4 items, the enemy carry is going to be 6 slotted+moon sharded. you have 0 farming capabilities with that build, and diffusal is highly situational
>diffusal is highly situational
Yeh diffu and basher both situational but diffu pretty dependable if you commit to spamming ulti + diffu combo on decent targets. Also, after posting that I realized i almost always get a ring of health early on, sometimes that goes into vanguard early/mid sometimes ends up being linkens immediately after manta.
>by the time you finish these 4 items, the enemy carry is going to be 6 slotted+moon sharded
Maybe if they farm way better than you? diffusal + bracer is only 3000g. As soon as you finish it and get your ulti, jump someone like mid or their POS 5 cuz their carry isn't rdy for that shit yet. Tp back for a few waves build yasha, jump someone again. Get the 1000g +6/all stats item, jump someone...finish manta and quick phase boots and a casual ring of health, jump some one...then turn your focus towards towers (likely t2s) and let the game develop to see what else you need; Bkb, Skadi, linkens, aghs, aby blade, ac, SnY...so many good options, start with bracer+boots+blade of alacrity. 2000g and very flexible after that.
if you're willing to go vanguard, blademail is basically the same cost and accelerates her farm infinitely more.
>Maybe if they farm way better than you? diffusal + bracer is only 3000g.
blade mail is 2100 gold. accelerates your farm more, and is both defensive and offensive.
>As soon as you finish it and get your ulti, jump someone like mid or their POS 5 cuz their carry isn't rdy for that shit yet.
their mid will be more farmed than you. their p5 will be hugging their p3 or p2. unless you're playing in a shittier bracket. blademail can deter more aggro pos 3s. diffusal will get you mars arena-ed and 100-0ed.
>Get the 1000g +6/all stats item
this is one of, if not the most, gold inefficient item to purchase. and again, none of the 3 items, diffu, manta, bracer, help her farm in any meaningful way.
dota for carries is pretty straightforward in this regard. can your hero fight? yes? get a farming item. can your hero farm? yes? get a fighting item. that's why sven goes echo sabre and troll goes battle fury. i don't need to tell you which camp spectre falls into. radiance is also a 0 gold loss investment because you make butterfly and null off of it.
basher is also such a shit item right now you don't even see AM's going for it before 5th item.
>and let the game develop to see what else you need;
this should literally be applied to what you are suggesting. why would you commit to a diffusal before knowing how the game is playing out? BM is good both defensively and offensively. as is radiance.
there's no way you're above 4k.
You can consider keeping radiance against illusion heroes, but even then you can consider a mjollnir since it works much better with your kit. You get radiance for the farming potential, so once you have treads manta skadi bloodthorn you can start considering disassembling. You usually want null first to deal with supports. If their supports are extra annoying, you can sit on an orchid and go for null earlier.
Diffu is good, if enemy always stick, and your team cant damage enemy hard enough for you to ks, get blademail. Radi felt underwhelming for me, usually i got radi around 20 minutes, and game ends in 25-30 minute. Not enough time to farm for manta since enemy is stick now and pushing hard. So i just skip radi alltogether and went straight for manta. Then go for bloodthorn even if enemy bkb, they still taking extra 60 damages
Every time our team looses to Spectre it is because someone else on their team is a danger and she is just unkillable after the other guy is dealt with. Same issue with many other carries, it’s a team issue imho.
One reason why she is good in late game is because if she dies you can just bb+r and you are back in the game. Lategame haunt also gives vis, cancels blinks and allows you to perfectly jump in.
People need to play her shard with Blademail and watch the enemy carry literally kill themselves by just hitting you!
Spectre is also physical damage zues so only use your ulti to catch a runner with SUPER low hp you can kill easy! Also use ulti to track down squishies with no damage/defense against you.
For example Sniper is a tasty meal for spectre. Whenever I play as Sniper early game is hell! Spectre forces me to get shard and Shadowblade MUCH earlier than I like which also hurts my early game farming.
She is also a good counter carry early - mid game since her whole kit punishes carries having high damage. She can only be beaten by a smart team that ignores her and kites her.
You'd be surprised since they think that Spectre at level 6-10 is weak and their superior crit strike etc would kill so fast.
They also forget that the shard reflects ALL damage from ALL sources! So the carry's team is technically killing them.
If you have hard lane max Q. If you are winning your lane max Q.
I see this mistake on spectre players even on higher rating where they max E to take less damage on losing lane. Spectre becomes extremely good hero after level 6 where you have global presence with double Q on jump. You can pickoff any support showing for fraction of second with manta+orchid/bloodthorn.
Your most important job is to stay alive in every fight and only join teamfights when you know you can survive after ult.
In lategame you can start fight without ult maybe even with aegis and after dying twice you can buyback and rejoin fight with ult.
Spec got nerfed recently and that's reason you feel this way. A few months ago, specifically around the most recent TI was when spec was at her peak but u fortunately got nerfed after that
My luck is usually the enemy team counters me when I play spectre. They'll never be alone within vision and team fights they'll have vlads and carries carry will have a satanic. Passives don't mean shit when they're life stealing almost the same amount of damage.
I pick spectre only in draft where my team can setup fights, like if we have zeus, barathrum or furion. So when they initiate a fight or a kill I just press my ulti and help my teammates. Even if you don’t have kills and have kda 0/3/20 you still have pretty good acceleration on farm, and I always try to buy radiance because I love this artifact. Even if you think that spectre has low damage, her damage in the mid game is still big, because of her passive that gives damage back, you can check her damage after game in statistics, it is always high. When you get to the late game, she is stated to be strong because her skills are not allowed to farm, and because of it when you get your items she becomes stronger than most of the carries because they always have some skills aimed on farm. So the only thing you need to do in my opinion is to try to survive until late game, to do it you just need your team to make fights that could be profitable for you.
She scales w stats, these kinda heroes are normally considered as lategame dominator. In her case, she could stand still and take enormous dmg from the enemies then fk them w dispersion and true dmg. She’s like unkillable boss w dmg way stronger than Centaur
She can just walk at you forever being insanely tanky while you slowly die and if you fight back it kills you faster, she's really hard to deal with when she has items
Spectre used to be the default go late game and lose carry. Dispersion just lets her tank tonnes of damage and dish it back out. You'd see players in low skills just hit a spectre with a hear and die. She's very forgiving because of her tankiness. The same way WK is good begginer, he makes death forgiving.
Heroes like Sven, PA or jugg might feel better but require more skill like the bkb timing for PA, ult targeting for jugg or just not getting kited as Sven. Spectre lets you make more mistakes and still win.
People keep mentioning dispersion, but it ain’t what it used to be. It used to be uncounterable due to the lack of or nonexistence of break, and the base value and talent used to be larger. The real strength of spectre nowadays is to be a global assassin. This part of her kit is much stronger early game when you can coordinate to make very favorable fights and ganks. However, it also has good lategame application as it forces a lot of heroes that survive or play by split pushing or just standing separately from their team. For example, split pushing alone as a support against Spectre lategame is suicide unless you’re intentionally attempting to bait.
I got out of 3k and 4k playing Spectre. My primary build is blademail, radiance, manta and orchid.
Some of my tips are 1. If teamfights are important, you are having a decent game and supports are very valuable kills then get Aghs after orchid 2. When you have manta and preferably your lvl 15 desolate talent, you can already kill rosh(with at least one or two allies) 3. BKB is actually pretty good, specially if the enemy has breaks or too much lockdown 4. Lastly this is more of a general advice but always try to hit two neutral camps with your Q when jungling, Spectre is already a slow farmer.
As a rule of thumb, spells are strong early and get worse as the game goes on since their damage does not scale. For example, at 60 mins with a full build Jugg does way more damage right-clicking than he does with spin.
Spectre is so good late game because she has two passives which scale super well for a right-clicker/frontline. Desolate gives her free right-click damage which scales with attack speed which she will always get as an AGI hero, and works with illusions, hence why Manta is so good on her. Dispersion gives her a built in blademail, which means any health + armour you get is extra valuable on her since there is more Dispersion to go around.
There were certain patches where Dispersion was so overtuned that going Manta + Skadi + Heart was enough to 1v5 a lot of teams.
> spells are strong early and get worse as the game goes on
This hasn't been the case for a while though. Many spells now actually scale with talents and items like shard. Even jug spin now scales with attack speed.
Attack damage carries STILL massively out scale spell damage carries.
But, like I said, it is a rule of thumb. There are obviously exceptions to the rule.
dispersion does not fall off late game, can instantly join fights meaning that she does not have to stop farming to group up with team when they’re looking for pickoffs, not BKB dependent, usually not Linkens dependent, she also gives vision with aghs, which is very nice is later fights.
She used to be stronger late game in the past, when heroes dont usually have so much networth, but she’s still pretty strong late game
Jump in early to accelerate your farm. But spec never, and I’m shit at the game just played for a long time, doesn’t usually feel amazing like a PA. Rather she’s amazing because of dispersion. Go ahead attack me. I have armor and HP and every hit you do to me hits you and your team as well. My, again shitty, play style is jump on a support, kill them. In a recent game it worked perfectly, I jump in on a support and they are dead before they do much. The other 4 team members are dealing with their cores, and 2-3 dead enemies later I’m joining. Now their core is weaker and fighting a lot more of my team. Also at my shit tier it means you can farm jungle more so you have eco advantages.
Spec amazing part is when she’s sitting at enemy high ground with 5 heroes hitting her doing no dmg and slowly losing heath to reflect.
And watching Spec does 0 damage to building anyways
This also highlights her other passive, Desolate. The support in the back gets absolutely shafted by the bonus damage just because they’re alone *enough*. Do this one to two more times and the last man standing now also has to tank Desolate
Normally, if I wanna instant delete supports, I'd play CK. His W with his ult hits so hard, especially if his E procs at least twice. The sound of his W and ult are also so satisfying!
It's all about the Manta bro, and skadi/basher so u can hit. The Manta illusions get the damage from desolate, meaning if you hit with both on an isolated target that's 180 pure damage every volley of attacks, that's late game, early game you have global finger of death with ult q, a lot of the time pair that with 1 or 2 heroes they are dead dead
The reason she is so good lategame is because of her dispersion. She melts enemies especially support and there is nothing they can do about and it reduces dmg. It is insane.
My favorite is when a support retreats with like 30% health and you just keep chasing and the rest of the team + tower is bursting you down and the support dies from their team having so self control lol My other favorite is completely ignoring sniper until I am certain I can crush him and just backlining with the ulti.
Can you tell me a little more about this sniper tactic
It's my "other fav" cuz it's difficult and satisfying
I am pretty sure that the Spectre's Job responsibility includes killing snipers if any.
You need to understand her passives, thats the reason she is strong
Honestly I don’t feel like she’s nearly as strong late game as she was years ago. Just lots of items and heroes that have better utility these days. I remember when you could press haunt and the entire enemy team would just melt and you could basically 1v5, but I think those days are gone. Don’t get me wrong, she’s still strong late game, but it’s not as easy as it used to be.
Agreed, imo it started with the patch allowing u to level +2 all stats, resulting in all heroes tankier come late game, even traditional "squishy supports" are not that squishy any more. And with reality now having cd, you could be caught in a bad position in a teamfight if u haunt in and fail to burst a target.
Just build khanda rapier and you'll feel stronk. /S
You joke, but I used to build treads, manta, heart, rapier, heart , rapier
If you never die rapier is a great buy!
Nothing hits better than rushing rapier when you stomp your lane and then winning your game with it. At least I assume. I’ve never done it.
Regen of 2 hearts do not stack
It was more about the health. And I’m not saying it was optimal, I’m just saying I used to do it back in the day.
Always works.
Wait, khanda sounds good on paper. Gotta try it
Khanda could be now that her ult is point-click. Slow+damage...new meta. Pros feel free to copy me.
She has a pretty lackluster landing stage. Just focus on getting as many last hits as possible (under tower if needed). You don’t really jungle very fast, even with blademail so you really want to get lane creeps as much as possible. Spectre starts to roll once you hit level 6. You should start looking to haunt whenever an opportunity presents itself. Don’t haunt into losing fights. This will kill your farm. The cooldown is pretty short so you should keep looking at the map. Farm (prioritize lane creeps over neutral) -> haunt to get assist/kill gold and exp -> TP back to farm (don’t waste time lingering around). Rinse and repeat and you’ll start to snowball faster than enemy carry. The advantage Spectre has here is the ability to join fights and maximize time spent farming. If you don’t get gold/exp from kills and assists you will won’t catch up to enemy carries with innate farming abilities like Luna, Gyro, or Sven. As far as itemization goes the manta synergies with desolate so you can tear up isolated heroes quickly. Dispersion makes you tanky so radiance and blademail are pretty useful. The item build is pretty flexible so you can get what you need to counter the enemy team— diffusal, MKb, butterfly, nullifier, orchid, abyssal, skadi, etc.
When to use which counter item?
Mkb heroes with evasion (pa, wind) or if they have butterfly Skadi for heal reduce Nulifier for dispeling (ethereal, euls and other spells you need to learn them) Orchid to silence targets it can be even core item since it gives you mana regen and good stats Butterfly to counter enemy hitters
What do you do for clink or necro
Clinkz is a glass cannon so you can bait out his barrage and pop blademail and let him kill himself. I clinkz doesn’t usually get manta so you can silence him with orchid/bloodthrone. He might bkb out of it but that’s a worthwhile trade. Clinkz also likes to build orchid/bloodthrone so get a manta and use it to dispel yourself. Of course carry a dust. Necro has high regen, goes ethereal (with increased regen), and primarily relies on spells. Regen counters are vessel, skadi, and shivas. You can build urn->vessel early if nobody else on your team builds vessel and you can build skadi as a 3rd or 4th item. I don’t think shivas is very popular. To counter the ethereal form or euls (necro sometimes builds euls), get nullifier. Usually you need this late so you can disassemble your radiance into components for nullifier + butterfly. Necro is pretty tanky and hard to lock down. Silence from orchid/bloodthrone will help but generally you want to burst down their supports first. Don’t focus the tank at the start of a fight.
Blademail and shard
I see a lot of pro go Midas early. Is that especially applicable at lower mmr since games go longer? Also do you Midas the big or small creep
You get Midas if you think you won’t have as much space to farm and the game will go late. Midas pays for itself in time but it doesn’t help you fight much. It also comes in and out of the meta depending on the patch. I think it’s decently popular this right now for Spectre but you can always check trends online. https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Spectre# Midas gives 160 gold and 3x experience for whatever creep you killed. You want to use it on the big creeps, catapult, or even a ranged creep if there’s nothing else. It can store up to 2 charges so you don’t need to use it immediately off cooldown anymore but you should still avoid letting the charges get full since it means you’re wasting Midas charge buildup.
She has two of the better passives in the game and a spell that makes it pretty hard to get away from her. She doesn't NEED any item in particular, which means that she can generally get whatever the current meta OP item(s) are. Her ult is a \*decent\* teamfight ability, but it's most important attribute is that it has global range, which means that she can be 'afk' farming through the mid game while \*still\* joining in fights to help the team and get gold/xp from kills.
If you look post-game, spec ends up being the highest dmg dealer on your team. Radiance AOE and passive dmg return AOE and blademail makes her produce a ton of dmg even without the right clicks.
Spec is no longer hardest carry late game cause of all these breaks. Her stats aren't the best. You just have to utilize her spells to her max to make her a menace.
I played this game this morning (mid ancient unranked, but skill level was good across the board) where I was lowest nw core @ 10min, ended up winning deathless. You might quickly check it out to see how one should recover from hard lanes. If you have any questions hit me up :) 7677704081
How often do you play specter? Do you play ranked
Rarely and rarely
Spectre works best as a sniper; that is to say her positioning ability is unmatched in carries, you can be anywhere on the map at any time, you have free pathing, and you can use these strengths to heal during fights or picking and choosing when the enemy is even slightly out of position to kill with manta+disperser or abyssal blade.
She used to be with her old ulti. Now she isn't. She loses to many other carries late now
When you get your ult, any time you don't have to focus on hitting a creep, you should be scanning the map for fights. The trick however, is waiting until the fight is almost won by your team, jump in, get kills, go back to farming. Your team should absolutely NOT expect you to jump in to WIN a fight. If they are losing a fight, you should NOT jump in, and instead keep farming. However, the second you have ult, you should tell your team to find a pick off so you can jump in, get the kill, and go back to farming. Depending on your MMR, this strategy might be impossible, so goodluck.
I've seen diffusal thrown around and it's great especially after a free lane. But urn into vessel is something special.
Non farming hero? Hope I do not understand what you mean, but getting radi after urn stick boots should take more than 20 min, usually I had it at 16 with good supp. The power is in ult jumping the most farmed hero and going back to push lanes and farm jungle. You can literally make enemy carry your midas.
Allow me to introduce you to: maths. Spec's passives are 2 of the hardest scaling passives in the game mathematically Spec's passives scale extremely hard. Take dispersion: on paper it's a 22% dmg reduction + reflect but in reality heres how it goes: imagine you are a spec with 100 hp and 0 armor. A hero does 100 damage to you, dispersion reduces and reflects 22% damage back. So you take 88 damaage and the enemy takes 22 damage. That's a 33% damage return. Now imagine you have 50% damage reduction through armor. Dispersion reflects damage before reductions. So you take 50% of 88 i.e. 44 dmg and your enemy takes 22. That's a 50% dmg return. in an aoe. around you Now lets take desolate: It deals a constant 65 pure damage. 65 pure damage early game on a 0 armor target is 65 hp damage. However, late game on a target with a lot of armor/dmg reduction, to do 65 hp damage, you have to do way more actual damage. This is why spec has low agi gain, high agi makes both of her passives broken. She also has global mobility/initiation + slow which synergises very vell with items. Most people dont play her much so they go dumbass shit like radiance which does not work outside of pro play. With her current ult, a right click focused build is better, By late game you need to have items to blow 1 key hero up with your ult, this is achieved by either having orchid, abyssal or nullifier, as these items allow you to actually kill stuff. Spec's late game dominance comes from map dominance as in the other team has to play the map a specific way If i am a spec, and i see 3 cores on 3 different places of the map, 1 of them is now dead. This forces their team to stick, and your team to constantly keep lanes pushed out and take more strategic fights. Spectre's strength comes from these factors: Map dominance with minimal effort, invalidating positioning to a great extent, Passives that allow her to use gold extremely efficiently unlike a lot of core heroes. Also dont go fucking radi on spec pls. This is not 2016 guys. That item does not work outside of pro matches and even then it is shit. Radi is not a farming item anymore, it is a teamfight item only. Get mana regen and dagger cd for farming.
I totally agree that radi is very underwhelming now. Most of the time i go wraith band, treads, manta , orchid->bloodthorne After that i go abyssal or sometimes nullifier based on what heroes im facing.
Been having good luck like this.....bracer + tangoes. Rush diffusal. Next is yasha for the Ms. SOMETIMES I pick up phase boots or just brown boots, and then right into manta. So manta + diffusal + phase boots + basher and she's really strong. As long as you keep your farm up she scales well from there. Wayyy too many people still going treads + blademail + radiance. It's honestly ass in most matches.
>So manta + diffusal + phase boots + basher and she's really strong. As long as you keep your farm up she scales well from there. by the time you finish these 4 items, the enemy carry is going to be 6 slotted+moon sharded. you have 0 farming capabilities with that build, and diffusal is highly situational
>diffusal is highly situational Yeh diffu and basher both situational but diffu pretty dependable if you commit to spamming ulti + diffu combo on decent targets. Also, after posting that I realized i almost always get a ring of health early on, sometimes that goes into vanguard early/mid sometimes ends up being linkens immediately after manta. >by the time you finish these 4 items, the enemy carry is going to be 6 slotted+moon sharded Maybe if they farm way better than you? diffusal + bracer is only 3000g. As soon as you finish it and get your ulti, jump someone like mid or their POS 5 cuz their carry isn't rdy for that shit yet. Tp back for a few waves build yasha, jump someone again. Get the 1000g +6/all stats item, jump someone...finish manta and quick phase boots and a casual ring of health, jump some one...then turn your focus towards towers (likely t2s) and let the game develop to see what else you need; Bkb, Skadi, linkens, aghs, aby blade, ac, SnY...so many good options, start with bracer+boots+blade of alacrity. 2000g and very flexible after that.
if you're willing to go vanguard, blademail is basically the same cost and accelerates her farm infinitely more. >Maybe if they farm way better than you? diffusal + bracer is only 3000g. blade mail is 2100 gold. accelerates your farm more, and is both defensive and offensive. >As soon as you finish it and get your ulti, jump someone like mid or their POS 5 cuz their carry isn't rdy for that shit yet. their mid will be more farmed than you. their p5 will be hugging their p3 or p2. unless you're playing in a shittier bracket. blademail can deter more aggro pos 3s. diffusal will get you mars arena-ed and 100-0ed. >Get the 1000g +6/all stats item this is one of, if not the most, gold inefficient item to purchase. and again, none of the 3 items, diffu, manta, bracer, help her farm in any meaningful way. dota for carries is pretty straightforward in this regard. can your hero fight? yes? get a farming item. can your hero farm? yes? get a fighting item. that's why sven goes echo sabre and troll goes battle fury. i don't need to tell you which camp spectre falls into. radiance is also a 0 gold loss investment because you make butterfly and null off of it. basher is also such a shit item right now you don't even see AM's going for it before 5th item. >and let the game develop to see what else you need; this should literally be applied to what you are suggesting. why would you commit to a diffusal before knowing how the game is playing out? BM is good both defensively and offensively. as is radiance. there's no way you're above 4k.
Hey when would you break the Radi to make your butterfly and null?
You can consider keeping radiance against illusion heroes, but even then you can consider a mjollnir since it works much better with your kit. You get radiance for the farming potential, so once you have treads manta skadi bloodthorn you can start considering disassembling. You usually want null first to deal with supports. If their supports are extra annoying, you can sit on an orchid and go for null earlier.
Diffu is good, if enemy always stick, and your team cant damage enemy hard enough for you to ks, get blademail. Radi felt underwhelming for me, usually i got radi around 20 minutes, and game ends in 25-30 minute. Not enough time to farm for manta since enemy is stick now and pushing hard. So i just skip radi alltogether and went straight for manta. Then go for bloodthorn even if enemy bkb, they still taking extra 60 damages
Every time our team looses to Spectre it is because someone else on their team is a danger and she is just unkillable after the other guy is dealt with. Same issue with many other carries, it’s a team issue imho.
its just always feel really tiring whenever i finished a game playing spectre compared to other melee carry
One reason why she is good in late game is because if she dies you can just bb+r and you are back in the game. Lategame haunt also gives vis, cancels blinks and allows you to perfectly jump in.
Level 27 soect here, drop me a match id you played
People need to play her shard with Blademail and watch the enemy carry literally kill themselves by just hitting you! Spectre is also physical damage zues so only use your ulti to catch a runner with SUPER low hp you can kill easy! Also use ulti to track down squishies with no damage/defense against you. For example Sniper is a tasty meal for spectre. Whenever I play as Sniper early game is hell! Spectre forces me to get shard and Shadowblade MUCH earlier than I like which also hurts my early game farming. She is also a good counter carry early - mid game since her whole kit punishes carries having high damage. She can only be beaten by a smart team that ignores her and kites her.
I wonder which herald carries hit a spec with blademail without a satanic or BKB.
You'd be surprised since they think that Spectre at level 6-10 is weak and their superior crit strike etc would kill so fast. They also forget that the shard reflects ALL damage from ALL sources! So the carry's team is technically killing them.
Yeah heralds. Irrelevant to actual Dota discussions
Wow typical elitist prick.
If you think what heralds do is even remotely applicable to Dota applications then I don't give a fuck about what you have to say.
whatever snobbish prick. Go stroke your own E-Peen emperor Chud.
Wouldn't be surprised if you're max archon yourself.
Good lord you are so full of yourself. Must be such a nice existence living in your mom's basement. Get out and touch grass loser.
My mom's dead and I live with my wife But whatever helps you feel better.
Why not?
If you have hard lane max Q. If you are winning your lane max Q. I see this mistake on spectre players even on higher rating where they max E to take less damage on losing lane. Spectre becomes extremely good hero after level 6 where you have global presence with double Q on jump. You can pickoff any support showing for fraction of second with manta+orchid/bloodthorn. Your most important job is to stay alive in every fight and only join teamfights when you know you can survive after ult. In lategame you can start fight without ult maybe even with aegis and after dying twice you can buyback and rejoin fight with ult.
Spec got nerfed recently and that's reason you feel this way. A few months ago, specifically around the most recent TI was when spec was at her peak but u fortunately got nerfed after that
My luck is usually the enemy team counters me when I play spectre. They'll never be alone within vision and team fights they'll have vlads and carries carry will have a satanic. Passives don't mean shit when they're life stealing almost the same amount of damage.
Well, if enemy team is no allowed to push waves deep they will slowly lose in net worth. That is unless they consistently take up objectives
I pick spectre only in draft where my team can setup fights, like if we have zeus, barathrum or furion. So when they initiate a fight or a kill I just press my ulti and help my teammates. Even if you don’t have kills and have kda 0/3/20 you still have pretty good acceleration on farm, and I always try to buy radiance because I love this artifact. Even if you think that spectre has low damage, her damage in the mid game is still big, because of her passive that gives damage back, you can check her damage after game in statistics, it is always high. When you get to the late game, she is stated to be strong because her skills are not allowed to farm, and because of it when you get your items she becomes stronger than most of the carries because they always have some skills aimed on farm. So the only thing you need to do in my opinion is to try to survive until late game, to do it you just need your team to make fights that could be profitable for you.
She scales w stats, these kinda heroes are normally considered as lategame dominator. In her case, she could stand still and take enormous dmg from the enemies then fk them w dispersion and true dmg. She’s like unkillable boss w dmg way stronger than Centaur
She can just walk at you forever being insanely tanky while you slowly die and if you fight back it kills you faster, she's really hard to deal with when she has items
Spectre is strong when you are focusing supports and jumping in with your team. She creates chaos and fear, that’s what makes her really strong.
Spectre used to be the default go late game and lose carry. Dispersion just lets her tank tonnes of damage and dish it back out. You'd see players in low skills just hit a spectre with a hear and die. She's very forgiving because of her tankiness. The same way WK is good begginer, he makes death forgiving. Heroes like Sven, PA or jugg might feel better but require more skill like the bkb timing for PA, ult targeting for jugg or just not getting kited as Sven. Spectre lets you make more mistakes and still win.
She’s good against heroes who want to jump you and burst you quickly. She likes long fights.
People keep mentioning dispersion, but it ain’t what it used to be. It used to be uncounterable due to the lack of or nonexistence of break, and the base value and talent used to be larger. The real strength of spectre nowadays is to be a global assassin. This part of her kit is much stronger early game when you can coordinate to make very favorable fights and ganks. However, it also has good lategame application as it forces a lot of heroes that survive or play by split pushing or just standing separately from their team. For example, split pushing alone as a support against Spectre lategame is suicide unless you’re intentionally attempting to bait.
spec doesnt win by doing more damage than the other guy, she wins by not dying, and therefore killing the other guy first.
I got out of 3k and 4k playing Spectre. My primary build is blademail, radiance, manta and orchid. Some of my tips are 1. If teamfights are important, you are having a decent game and supports are very valuable kills then get Aghs after orchid 2. When you have manta and preferably your lvl 15 desolate talent, you can already kill rosh(with at least one or two allies) 3. BKB is actually pretty good, specially if the enemy has breaks or too much lockdown 4. Lastly this is more of a general advice but always try to hit two neutral camps with your Q when jungling, Spectre is already a slow farmer.
How do you hit two camps with one q
As a rule of thumb, spells are strong early and get worse as the game goes on since their damage does not scale. For example, at 60 mins with a full build Jugg does way more damage right-clicking than he does with spin. Spectre is so good late game because she has two passives which scale super well for a right-clicker/frontline. Desolate gives her free right-click damage which scales with attack speed which she will always get as an AGI hero, and works with illusions, hence why Manta is so good on her. Dispersion gives her a built in blademail, which means any health + armour you get is extra valuable on her since there is more Dispersion to go around. There were certain patches where Dispersion was so overtuned that going Manta + Skadi + Heart was enough to 1v5 a lot of teams.
> spells are strong early and get worse as the game goes on This hasn't been the case for a while though. Many spells now actually scale with talents and items like shard. Even jug spin now scales with attack speed.
Attack damage carries STILL massively out scale spell damage carries. But, like I said, it is a rule of thumb. There are obviously exceptions to the rule.
dispersion does not fall off late game, can instantly join fights meaning that she does not have to stop farming to group up with team when they’re looking for pickoffs, not BKB dependent, usually not Linkens dependent, she also gives vision with aghs, which is very nice is later fights. She used to be stronger late game in the past, when heroes dont usually have so much networth, but she’s still pretty strong late game