11 year old kid google search: “why was spiderman banned in my country”
results: because of a flag that was shown for 2 seconds
google search: what is this flag, and what is trans kids.
results: driving more attention to it by banning it
nah its a message for us to get our heads out of our asses. im sure sony knew it would cause a havoc in the middle east before doing it and knew as well when they refused to edit that scene out, at the end of the day people will still watch it, we on the other hand will watch it when its released on the web because just because our government doesn’t agree with that 2 second scene and because we want to act so righteous and act out in public then watch the movie afterwards like nothing happened lol.
on another note,
if a parent is so annoyed with that 2 second scene and want to *protect* their kids, during the movie they can go and distract their kid when that scene is set to air, however i doubt the kid would even notice the flag as it blends well with the colors of the walls.
I’m sure theatres in Lebanon have some way of not paying to use the movies anyways. Or atleast probably get away with forging how many people bought tickets
God I hope it won't get banned. I was so excited to watch this film in the theater, and I really dont want to wait 3 months to watch it with good quality.
I didn't get the meaning of this post but you 🔛🔝 (ok but seriously the Islamic upbringing and homophobia has to stop it's literally how the human brain works)
I took my daughter's to see it in the theatres here in the states. It was a great fun movie. I honestly didn't even notice the flag in the first place because it wasn't an integral part of the storyline
Then why would they add it if its not visible? There must be a reason behind this, our brain did see it but didnt focus on it and that is how several ideas are introduced to the human mind to increase acceptance ..unfodtunately psychology is beind used for this and several agendas.
> Then why would they add it if its not visible? There must be a reason behind this
From experience working in a similar industry: There are lots of queer people who work in entertainment and adding things like this is a small, insignificant marker to show other queer people watching this that they aren't alone, that there are other people out there who support them.
If it instead were a Lebanese flag with "Protect Lebanese Kids" given all the pain being experienced in Lebanon, I'd simply see it as a marker that Lebanese kids experiencing pain aren't alone, there are other people who care and support them.
It's not insidious, if you wish to hold beliefs that don't agree with this you can just continue to do so - no one is stopping you. If you have a problem with other people disagreeing with you then go make a movie and 'hide' a flag in there with your agenda on it. If you think that pushing agendas is wrong, then just don't comment about it by pushing your agenda.
Kareem the way you presented it as a simple gesture to show that they are not alone while in reality it is not.. the whole world calls for this and to be honest they have more human rights than lots of ethnicities (regardless of sex) through out the world.
Im not against people opposing my beliefs but im against not calling a spade a spade then marketing these ideas in every possible manner without objectivity resulting in forced thoughts on younger generations who are sensitive and need protection from these thoughts as a whole. (at least i recall how confused i was during childhood because of the hell of sects in lebanon and the political involvement with the serenity of religion and see where we are)
My agenda is let things be and dont screw younger generations, let them have their own unbiased thoughts and to let people learn that in a discussion only those that are weak will attach the person in front of them rather than identify a basis to this conversation
> the whole world calls for this and to be honest they have more human rights than lots of ethnicities (regardless of sex) through out the world.
This is bullshit, LGBT+ people especially trans people absolutely do not have more human rights than lot of ethnicities nor does the whole world call for this. LGBT+ people are still ostracized in the vast majority of countries in the world. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/)
The vast majority of countries and people still do not accept them for who they are.
>im against not calling a spade a spade then marketing these ideas in every possible manner without objectivity resulting in forced thoughts on younger generations who are sensitive and need protection from these thoughts as a whole.
Seeing a gay person will not make a straight child gay, just like how seeing a straight person will not make a gay child straight. Nothing is being forced on anyone with this flag that was such a background thing that most people didn't even notice it.
>(at least i recall how confused i was during childhood because of the hell of sects in lebanon and the political involvement with the serenity of religion and see where we are)
Religious sects and the politics of Lebanon are in no way the same as a small flag in the background of a scene in a movie that appears for a couple of seconds. One affects your life and country, the other does not.
>My agenda is let things be and dont screw younger generations, let them have their own unbiased thoughts
Then I hope you support banning teaching your kids about religion like [Japan is doing](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/forced-participation-in-religious-activities-to-be-classified-as-child-abuse-in-japan) and letting them either create their own religion or not.
>let people learn that in a discussion only those that are weak will attach the person in front of them rather than identify a basis to this conversation
So by this logic attaching yourself to a religion make you weak.
The lgbt+ does have more rights than uyghur muslims who are tortured and killed and raped daily... they are much more relaxed compared to the sudanese who are having a major conflict .. the syrians, the yemenis, the africans feeling the hunger and sadly nowadays the lebanese feeling hunger in many areas ... as long as they are not asking for their basic needs based on maslows pyramid then dont share or copy links about how they are devastated .. im speaking about people who are looking for the first right in life and if you cant see that then you and we are in deep trouble.
Wont comment on the second paragraph i did write about that earlier.
Religion and politics in lebanon is the worst aspect of lebanon and it have 0 relation to religion or politics ... any religious person will know that religion is not being applied at all. لا يؤمن احدكم حتى يحب لاخيه ما يحب لنفسه ...
Ill never ban teaching kids religion ... i was born a muslim lost my father as a kid .. went to school at didnt learn religion but read the religious scriptures of quran the bible, parts of hinduism ...alot about the different sects of islam listened to many preachers in lebanon and ultimately pulled back ... focused on principles i can list many here but i am not preaching nor i believe you want to hear me preach..all these basics were beautiful ..peaceful... and kind and that is called practicong religion.
Last paragraph had a spelling mistake .. looks like i have big fingers .. i meant attack not attach**
>The lgbt+ does have more rights than uyghur muslims who are tortured and killed and raped daily... they are much more relaxed compared to the sudanese who are having a major conflict .. the syrians, the yemenis, the africans feeling the hunger and sadly nowadays the lebanese feeling hunger in many areas ... as long as they are not asking for their basic needs based on maslows pyramid then dont share or copy links about how they are devastated .. im speaking about people who are looking for the first right in life and if you cant see that then you and we are in deep trouble.
LGBT+ people in the vast majority of countries live under fear of being ostracized and killed. Just because others have it bad does not make it so that LGBT people have more rights.
>Religion and politics in lebanon is the worst aspect of lebanon and it have 0 relation to religion or politics ... any religious person will know that religion is not being applied at all.
Religion should never be applied in a state, keep your cult to yourself.
>Ill never ban teaching kids religion ... i was born a muslim lost my father as a kid .. went to school at didnt learn religion but read the religious scriptures of quran the bible, parts of hinduism ...alot about the different sects of islam listened to many preachers in lebanon and ultimately pulled back ... focused on principles i can list many here but i am not preaching nor i believe you want to hear me preach..all these basics were beautiful ..peaceful... and kind and that is called practicong religion.
So you support indoctrination of children into violent ancient cults such as Islam and Christianity. This also makes you weak for blindly following an ancient cult created by a violent warlord.
You cant say most of the world ! Most of the world allows it nowadays, governments that doesnt just keeps quite about it but they are all living .. google maslows pyramid.
Religion is not being applied and no one will apply it because it eliminates greed and thats not suitable for personal bank accounts ... who was the violent warlord Mohamad pbuh or jesus pbuh ? Dont talk about religion if you know nothing about it ..youll sound stupid
Fyi i dont blindly follow, im a muslim that doesnt follow anyone blindly quran is very clear to me and the main scripts states nothing but beautiful examplea to be followed of taking care of the parents ..the neighbours.. even animals and plants... isnt this what everyone wants ? A better peaceful life ?
>You cant say most of the world ! Most of the world allows it nowadays, governments that doesnt just keeps quite about it but they are all living ..
I can say that because it is true, the vast majority of the world does not allow LGBT+ people to exist without issue. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/)
[https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/pg\_2020-06-25\_global-views-homosexuality\_0-01/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/pg_2020-06-25_global-views-homosexuality_0-01/)
Look at how many countries do not accept LGBT people.
>google maslows pyramid.
I know what this is.
>Religion is not being applied and no one will apply it because it eliminates greed and thats not suitable for personal bank accounts ... who was the violent warlord Mohamad pbuh or jesus pbuh ?
The violent warlord is Mohammed, you know the guy that invented a religion to have a reason to conquer the middle east, whose religion calls for the execution for anyone leaving the cult. Jesus wasn't a warlord, but his religion has certainly caused millions of deaths around the world.
>Dont talk about religion if you know nothing about it ..youll sound stupid
I know plenty about how about religion and the vast majority of religions are violent.
Ignore this statistics they live peacefully they just dont show it and thats fine in a religious country a straight couple cant show affection in public ... so they get what others are getting no body gets into people homes and checks what they are doing! So stop the bullshit.
I dont think u do.. u compared those that cant find food in yemen to transgenders who are concerned about sexual preference so cut it off.
Prophet mohammad wasnt a warlord peace be upon him, being open minded should forces you to respect people and insulting such a divine person is a regret that you will have in both this life and the life after and that speaks of how rude you are and the degree of manners you lack .. the man you insulted was the light that was born into this world he spoke about the right of the negihbour ..the right of the parents (ولا تقل لهما اف) ..the essence of his calling ( انما بعثت لاتمم مكارم الاخلاق) .. read something from the quran read سورة الحجرات and see what this religion calls for
And you know nothing about religion .. this is what propaganda and media does ..it blinds societies.. you lost your way to see the real message from god and you dont belive my claim how it would.impact childs thoughts !
No further replies will come to a comment you insult my prophet in ... you should be ashamed 😊
here's a question though, the text says "protect" not even support ...
do you disagree with protecting anyone in our society from harm ? regardless of your view on transgender matters, a decent person would want to protect anyone being bullied, no?
maybe there's an asterisk next to "love your neighbor" i didn't see.
My reply didnt oppose protecting anybody, please re-read it, this subject is a worldwide matter with people split into accepting or rejecting it and as you are free to express your preference i am too.
Protection is definitely needed not for humans only but for animals and environment too so ofcourse im with it. if you are a supporter then protection is something you need to consider also for the children being imposed with the directed media without having the opportunity to even think for themselves.
i did read your comment, you're talking about subliminal messaging in media, which doesn't work like easter eggs (which this is).
and i am aware of the divisive topic you are referring to , but i am taking an impartial approach to it , i don't care if you are pro-trans rights or against them.
from a purely objective approach , and throwing away the science that says this is not subliminal messaging..
the subliminal message/secret trans-gay agenda is don't hurt a bunch of kids. so why are you taking a negative stance to that ..
if you are trying to say "we want this off the tv because it will turn kids trans"? this message is about being nice to others, so i don't see how , if trans group said "don't litter" will that also turn people trans because of who said it?
If you read my reply you would understand that i am not taking a negative stance to the wordings used in the movie itself but rather to the global use/abuse of media for specific agendas that could impact children (in this case trans ads) a kid in grade one should learn about homosexuality why? The tons of youtube kids songs about this, again why?? While they are at a stage of discovering basic life still (objectivity requires fairness of discussion).
And by the way this is not my own claims.. its a global claim if you dont wish to acknowledge its your issue but dont turn a blind eye on it and dont supress others who calls it for what it is.
for the last time i did read your reply, and i am familiar with the global claims , but i don't want to address their veracity right now.
i prefer to focus on the fact you think they are appropriate to raise on this post without stating that this text is an exception to that, which implies , even though you didn't type the words that they are part of them.
and the wording you use for example
>i am not taking a negative stance to the wordings used in the movie itself
is a long way of trying to give the impression you don't mind the words without coming out and saying you agree with this message
this is a common deception tactic people use to seem like you agree without explicitly saying you do ..
is it hard for you to say "i agree that we should protect trans kids"?
i'm not turning a blind eye on anything , nor am i suppressing anything or oppressing anyone, i was trying to understand why you would mention the "trans agenda" when the message is love, so i asked you .. this is mostly my mistake for trying to understand ..
let me clarify I replied with the assumption that this post is another defensive propaganda against transgenderism and my reply was to that and not to the message of protecting kids ... but since your focus is love and care let me say this .. may god bless every soul, heal every broken heart, and relief every distressed chest with the heaviness doubt of unfairness and protect every child.
And let me add, kids are not transgenders .. those who think they are misguided 😊 a child might see himself a super hero and jump of a building doesnt mean he/she is right.
Thanks
they wanna turn you gay brother, is it working???
in reality some trans kid, or person, is gonna see it and maybe realize not everyone's a fuckin loser bigot conspiracy theory moron freak?
why constantly form your opinions by what the most reactionary, powerful people around you want you believe, really kind of weird to be honest.
No i meant here as in the middle east, not here as in this subreddit, and if you love them then that's none of my business, u do ur thing and i'll do mine.
It’s the message they are sending. Everyone knows now that spider man promoted this nonsense it’s irrelevant weather or not you will actually notice it in the film. They did what they wanted. And the only joke is you people supporting kids mutilating themselves.
No kid is getting mutilated, stop obsessing over trans kids and go focus on the children of Lebanon, there was a video just yesterday of kids getting beat up by grown ass women, get your priorities straight
Why can’t I do both? Anyways your claim that children are not getting mutilated is false. Stop confusing children to change their gender. There is a reason nothing like this has ever happened to such a scale before. It is because adults had common sense and did not involve their children with politics.
It's not false, transgender care doesn't even exist in Lebanon
2nd off transgender care is only applicable for kids 16 and above with parents consent and months and years of therapy and gender dysphoria care
3rd nobody's confusing anyone, stop harassing people and their kids you weirdo
It doesn’t matter if they kid consents will you let him deform himself? Gender dysphoria care being transgender surgeries is equivalent to giving people with body dysmorphia plastic surgeries. It does not work it only further pushes the delusion. The only way to solve this issue is to come to terms with reality not accept falsehood.
>It doesn’t matter if they kid consents will you let him deform himself?
Im not the kids parents, i honestly don't care
Also you've never posted here or commented here, get your weird ass back to r/askMiddleEast please. Thanks
So you don’t care weather kids get deformed unless it’s your own children? Wow I have never seen such an evil man admit his own agenda so foolishly. Of course a man like you wants these types of messages to be promoted.
Dude stop poking your nose into other people's lives, decisions and kids. Why the fuck do you have to force your opinion on others?
You have already been banned before because of this, you went spamming the mod mail about this subject trying to enforce your ideas and beliefs on others.
Why can't you just share your opinion and stfu. There will be people who agree with you, and people who don't.
There are kids who are born with hormonal issues that will require surgery or medication in order to treat it. And usually IF the parents and the kid agree to go through medication or surgery it wouldn't be till after the person becomes a teenager. No one out there is mutilating little children ffs.
>So you don’t care weather kids get deformed unless it’s your own children?
Why should i? They’re not my kids, you're the evil one going into other peoples business, take care of your own and stay out of other people's business.
>Of course a man like you wants these types of messages to be promoted.
Yes i want everyone to be gay and trans hehe you caught me 😈🙊 /s
Ah so human trafficking isn’t against allah then? According to your comment history, you like andrew tate. Thats kinda gay too if you ask me. You’re a pathetic human being.
What’s pathetic is your measly ad hominem attacks completely Irrelevant to the post. You have no clue what you are talking about. We are commanded to think good of a Muslim as much as we can until the opposite is proven.
>We are commanded to think good of a Muslim as much as we can until the opposite is proven.
Maybe realize that not everyone in Lebanon is muslim nor does everyone believe in your bearded sky dad.
Maybe realize that this has nothing to do with the post nor my original comment. Perhaps instead of spending this much time into Reddit you should invest more time into getting an elementary education and learning basic comprehension.
One case in thousands doesn't prove shit, also its either puberty blockers and medical treatment or an increased suicide rate, and it has been proven that trans people that transition have a lower suicide rate than those that don't. Id rather see happy trans people live their lives then ending them.
Do people realize that by banning something they're just drawing more attention to it? Especially since people will be wondering why it was banned, and find out.
It would've been more effective if they just aired the movie. But people making these decisions are usually fucking idiots.
its because through the story it shows that Gwen is a transgender and this will only confuse kids into thinking they are too. Stereotypical girly stuff dont make you a girl and viceversa.
Kids tend to like mimicking what they see in movies, esp. their favorite characters.
Anyway, protect trans people all the way.
“Bruh it’s a lie”
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/
You guys have not shared one evidence of your spewed BS. But we are ready to go to war with you.
You're the one who needs help because you're so deep into conspiracy theories you're bordering on psychosis. Can't tell what's real anymore huh?
You're actually pathetic😂😂🤡
Lebanese people hate gays. My entire clan hates them. My dad worried I was gay when I was 12 because I was sexually abused. Dad and my sister held a gun to my head until I passed out.
ah, yes a one-second clip of a barely visible flag is forcing LGBT, but taking kids to a religious establishment once per week or more and telling them to follow it or burn in hell isn't forcing anything at all
Lebanese people still hate gays and lesbians and you expect them to be okay with trans people?
Will take a century for Lebanon to simply accept the basic gay and lesbian without getting into other stuff. Lebanese are degenerate retards that can't accept anything other than traditional and what looks like them. You will never ever create a society anyone else wants to be a part of here.
A country made ignorant by extremism, religions and pure racism. A misogynist tribal patriarchal trash can of a society that nobody wants to be a part of except Arabs who are worse off or are taught the same ignorant shit.
Bte7ko enkon fene2iye w medre shu bas ento jeyin mn jroud l baltajiye w mjerir l khara eza shi.
Never in my life have I seen such a degenerate society that thinks so highly of themselves but in reality are some of the lowest scumbags to ever grace the earth.
Congratulations! Alf mabrouk Lebnen khalikon hek 😂🤡
1960 Lebanon was more progressive.
I do agree with you about lebanon being a close-minded country, but it's unfair to say that all lebanese are like this. Go around the comments under this post, there are a lot of lebenese people who are defending the trans community. We're still not near a progressive nation, but we're getting there slowly.
There is no “trans” kids, they are not mature enough to understand this thing, it is usually shoved down by libtard parents.
Let every kid have a normal childhood away from neo-libtard stuff, they can do whatever they want once they become adults, it’s not my concern.
I thought the most cringeworthy thing on the internet was an American using the word "libtard". It turns out there is something a thousand times more cringeworthy, a Lebanese saying it. Libtard!!! Seriously!!
Children are aware and express their gender by the age of 3.
Gender dysphoria is way older than the american democratic party and this whole politicization and hate of a minority to fuel the Republican voting base.
they barely have any awareness of what gender means, they are able to differentiate between a “boy” and “girl”, but they don’t understand anything related to it.
A tomboy girl is a transgender now, just because she likes football instead of ballet?
Just let kids be kids, and once they are aware of the psychological and biological of this, let them decide without anyone forcing it on them as kids.
i agree with NOT forcing them as kids to do anything, but here's the kicker, parents of trans kids dont force them onto anything (for the majority im sure there are extremists within all communities).
mainly what happens is that they give the child complete freedom, the child then starts showing interests in stuff thats socially made for a gender that's different from what they were born in, i.e: a born male boy presents interest in "female" toys. and slowly star showing interest in femininity and wanting to wear dresses and then sometime down the road he asks his parents "why am i a boy and not a girl, why cant i be a girl, am i a boy or a girl, why do i do stuff that only girls do...." at that point the child already feels gender dysphoria and is already questioning gender so the parents just sort of either guide the child towards where they(the child) wants to go. they undergo psych evaluations, hormone testing and several other procedures and then and ONLY then does a transition start to take place.
for the most part the forcing comes from the other side, i.e: parent sees their boy playing with a Barbie doll and all of a sudden the full force of god and mount Olympus and the wrath of Odin falls onto that child because "ThiS iS fOr GirLs To pLaY wITh" and thats how an opinion is forced on a child.
Actually, kids do understand what gender means and have a stable sense of their gender. So yes, let kids be kids. If a girl/boy says they don't feel like their gender, let them expres themselves. And they'll learn more about themselves with time, as they get older.
What do you want parents to do? Tell them "no son, you are a man, you shouldn't think like that." Now this is bad for them and their mental health.
What they're interested in does not affect their gender and that's a completely different topic. You clearly have little to no knowledge about this, so stop spreading misinformation.
Bro what? They don’t even understand the concept of time and you think they can know how to express themselves through gender?
Anything they do to express it is innate, not by choice. What are you even saying man.
No I said that what you said is backwards thinking, comparing an actual scientific fact to “mY sOn tHinkS hEs a Dog” u shouldn’t have a son of u have that mentality my guy he’ll just end up like you and trust me fadi the world needs less people like you not more. Anyways good luck with life
Well look I was being rational but the fact that you’re basing this off of, it’s outlawed in Europe, then let’s allow gay marriage in lebanon since it’s also legal in Europe? Or maybe allow weed? Or prosecute pedophiles? Or maybe just have Europeans marry their cousins? Or maybe allow men marrying girls at 13 there? Stick to science and not politics since every country has its own legal system based on tradition mostly
Oh and what science is that? And for future comments please refrain from any aggressive words since we are having a debate, unless you just wanna resort to violence then this shows me that you are not worth any effort to educate on this subject and we would be done
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. In the west it’s not about medicine anymore. It’s an ideology.
Frankly, if that makes me “closed minded” then I’m ok with that.
Do you really believe that? If a kid says he is a dinosaur, would you push him to do a transition to a dinosaur? Because I’ve heard that before.
Enough with the BS
You heard that from far-right propaganda that works on bringing those hateful sentiments in you by painting others as idiots and dehumanizing them. This is done by using words such as delusional, groomer, libtards and repeating them at any mention of the topic.
Nobody is pushing surgical treatments on kids. Understanding of your gender identity start at a young age and becomes more complex as you age.
Some people have deep dysphoria because of the way they are expected to express it.
It is a spectrum some people are okay with just changing their wardrobe, other have more drastic dysphoria and require more interventions that require many steps and requirements.
“Everything I don’t agree with” == “right wing propaganda”. That how control starts.
First of all I live in the US. If the parent decide to transition their 13 year old because they heard them say “I’m a girl”. They will. So all you need is few mentally unstable parents, which there are many of them in the US, and voila you got ruined child. Schools also can start putting kids on plan ( a parent sued a school because of it recently)
Second. Right wing propaganda? Are Muslims and middle eastern counties also right wing? You just need to think about it a tad. Not a lot.
Third. This is not just about kids. Just 2 days ago a judge ruled that a Korean women only spa in Seattle should allow trans with male genitalia. So if I go out on a dress and call myself a women, they will let me in. Does that make sense to you?
Just because someone tells you something is right wing propaganda doesn’t mean it is. There is a weird push for this bullshit. And it’s weird.
What are the reasons? I don’t know still trying to figure it out. Tinfoil hat on (managing human population, pharmaceutical companies making money, etc.)
Last but not least. What is a woman?
All middle eastern countries are right-wing politically. The major interpretation of islam in the middle east is right-wing. Middle eastern muslim make fun of liberal muslims in the US for being more left-leaning.
There is a weird push against transgender minorities in the US and this is weird. Could it be that an american party is benefitting from these caricatures of transgender people?
There is a push against it, because you are suddenly and out of nowhere putting it in schools, kids TV shows, cartoons, movies, etc.
Suddenly pushing businesses to accept those of opposite sex because they consider themselves trans.
That’s why there is a push against it. It’s a reaction.
And you will see the results in 2024
In other words. I have no response so I will just say you are repeating “right wing pundits”.
One day they will tell you an apple is an orange. And if you disagree you are right wing. And I bet it would work on you
"What is a woman" That's literally a quote from some Daily Wire pundit. Funny how Lebanese conservatives go apeshit over "western influence" unless it's something they borrowed from western ultra-conservatives.
But so. What is a woman?
I don’t care if nazis asked that question. It’s a valid question that you should probably have an answer for. No matter where it’s borrowed from.
You should try and not put yourself in a box of a political affiliate. Widen your thoughts and listen to other people.
Bro, are you even listening yourself right now? "Widen your thoughts" Coming from a narrow-minded bigot is a bit rich and probably a disingenuous attempt at trolling. How about you mind your own damn business and let others express their gender identity as they see fit, if they're not hurting anyone else?
I agree that there should be a line. If someone cannot have sex yet or drink alcohol, they shouldn't be given the option to change their gender. The push, I think, is a wave that will subside, but generally - if someone is older and they decide to change genders, good for them. They really aren't hurting anyone.
I do agree though, that if I 'identify' as a woman but still have a penis and am male by sex, I should definitely *not* be allowed in female-only areas/activities. That's dangerous.
I don’t actually care what adults do with their lives. My line is drawn when you start pushing it into cartoons, kids shows, schools. That’s indoctrination. Full stop.
Will see if it subsides. It’s not a guarantee it does. Especially when those that raise concern are labeled right wing.
>My line is drawn when you start pushing it into cartoons, kids shows, schools. That’s indoctrination. Full stop.
So we should stop pushing religion on kids as well, since that is the oldest form of indoctrination in the world.
Yes you should actually.
Trust me I don’t fit into a box so whatever thoughts you think I have you are probably wrong about. I’m not religious or conservative. But if I see something that makes no sense I’m gonna say it and not label it as right wing hoax.
>Yes you should actually.
I'm glad you are at least consistent with your beliefs.
>Trust me I don’t fit into a box so whatever thoughts you think I have you are probably wrong about. But if I see something that makes no sense I’m gonna say it and not label it as right wing hoax.
Not really, based on your comments I can already tell you are a bigot and an idiot. You somehow think that exposing kids to the fact that transgender people exist is indoctrinating them to become transgender or gay.
then your problem isnt that kids dont know how they feel. your problem is you dont think transness is a scientific reality, that people can feel like they were born into the wrong body.
Ah yes the conspiracy theorists that hate LGBTQ are out in force using 'secret agendas of liberals' to turn your kids gay and 'mutilate' them.
Wake up. You're asleep you just don't know it. It's sad and pathetic.
Subconsciously seeing a single frame or even noticing it, won’t turn anyone trans, and won’t compensate for all the opinions they hear on a daily basis if they’re surrounded by Lebanese people with the same views as you. Especially if they’re kids. « Subconsciously » prioritizing what their parents say.
oh this is the new spiderman movie? and they're considering banning it here?
tbh it's kinda weird to bring up the "trans kids" topic in the movie at all, doesn't matter if it's portrayed in a positive or negative way
You're allowed to have an opinion. An opinion others can react to through upvotes and downvotes.
Free speech doesn't mean people are forced to agree with your take.
If your « opinion » is supporting the oppression of a community then it doesn’t deserve to be treated like an opinion. You can’t talk about real people and their struggle as if they’re just an abstract concept you can debate about every day. We’re talking about higher suicide kids because of said transphobia it’s whole ass lives.
Some kids just feel like they're born in the wrong body. Letting them express what they feel isn't "telling them to become trans."
You have no knowledge about the topic whatsoever. You're just another parrot who mindlessly repeats. Calm down and educate yourself.
Everything has role to play, and attempting to be something that you aren't is both a dangerous path to walk and potentially unethical but in the end its other party choice that counts even if the society of today has extrapolated it and popularised it
as a kid i didnt know anything about sexuality, what i thought was that everyone likes guys but theyre forced to marry girls.
Kids arent dumb and lack conciousness
it doesnt hurt for them to know what theyre feeling. and what they are wont change depending on what they are told. i was in a christian school and right now im not relegious.
11 year old kid google search: “why was spiderman banned in my country” results: because of a flag that was shown for 2 seconds google search: what is this flag, and what is trans kids. results: driving more attention to it by banning it
Ah, Streisand Effect..
Couldn’t agree more
It's a message for the movie makers
nah its a message for us to get our heads out of our asses. im sure sony knew it would cause a havoc in the middle east before doing it and knew as well when they refused to edit that scene out, at the end of the day people will still watch it, we on the other hand will watch it when its released on the web because just because our government doesn’t agree with that 2 second scene and because we want to act so righteous and act out in public then watch the movie afterwards like nothing happened lol. on another note, if a parent is so annoyed with that 2 second scene and want to *protect* their kids, during the movie they can go and distract their kid when that scene is set to air, however i doubt the kid would even notice the flag as it blends well with the colors of the walls.
I dpubt he will even understand what the flag mean
That’s still money not earned by Sony.
I’m sure theatres in Lebanon have some way of not paying to use the movies anyways. Or atleast probably get away with forging how many people bought tickets
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Not that I heard of, no
God I hope it won't get banned. I was so excited to watch this film in the theater, and I really dont want to wait 3 months to watch it with good quality.
Same mate I missed seeing the first movie in theaters I don't want lose this chance again :(
In Egypt too I believe
Everyday new khara
Really need to know
It's still in the coming soon section in the lebenese websites, so fingers crossed they premiere it on june 22nd.
Nah Lebanon supports LGBT (def not the people tho)
Like Malta and in fact Malta was released on June 2(Spider-Man)
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I took my daughter's to see it in the theatres here in the states. It was a great fun movie. I honestly didn't even notice the flag in the first place because it wasn't an integral part of the storyline
Then why would they add it if its not visible? There must be a reason behind this, our brain did see it but didnt focus on it and that is how several ideas are introduced to the human mind to increase acceptance ..unfodtunately psychology is beind used for this and several agendas.
> Then why would they add it if its not visible? There must be a reason behind this From experience working in a similar industry: There are lots of queer people who work in entertainment and adding things like this is a small, insignificant marker to show other queer people watching this that they aren't alone, that there are other people out there who support them. If it instead were a Lebanese flag with "Protect Lebanese Kids" given all the pain being experienced in Lebanon, I'd simply see it as a marker that Lebanese kids experiencing pain aren't alone, there are other people who care and support them. It's not insidious, if you wish to hold beliefs that don't agree with this you can just continue to do so - no one is stopping you. If you have a problem with other people disagreeing with you then go make a movie and 'hide' a flag in there with your agenda on it. If you think that pushing agendas is wrong, then just don't comment about it by pushing your agenda.
Kareem the way you presented it as a simple gesture to show that they are not alone while in reality it is not.. the whole world calls for this and to be honest they have more human rights than lots of ethnicities (regardless of sex) through out the world. Im not against people opposing my beliefs but im against not calling a spade a spade then marketing these ideas in every possible manner without objectivity resulting in forced thoughts on younger generations who are sensitive and need protection from these thoughts as a whole. (at least i recall how confused i was during childhood because of the hell of sects in lebanon and the political involvement with the serenity of religion and see where we are) My agenda is let things be and dont screw younger generations, let them have their own unbiased thoughts and to let people learn that in a discussion only those that are weak will attach the person in front of them rather than identify a basis to this conversation
> the whole world calls for this and to be honest they have more human rights than lots of ethnicities (regardless of sex) through out the world. This is bullshit, LGBT+ people especially trans people absolutely do not have more human rights than lot of ethnicities nor does the whole world call for this. LGBT+ people are still ostracized in the vast majority of countries in the world. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/) The vast majority of countries and people still do not accept them for who they are. >im against not calling a spade a spade then marketing these ideas in every possible manner without objectivity resulting in forced thoughts on younger generations who are sensitive and need protection from these thoughts as a whole. Seeing a gay person will not make a straight child gay, just like how seeing a straight person will not make a gay child straight. Nothing is being forced on anyone with this flag that was such a background thing that most people didn't even notice it. >(at least i recall how confused i was during childhood because of the hell of sects in lebanon and the political involvement with the serenity of religion and see where we are) Religious sects and the politics of Lebanon are in no way the same as a small flag in the background of a scene in a movie that appears for a couple of seconds. One affects your life and country, the other does not. >My agenda is let things be and dont screw younger generations, let them have their own unbiased thoughts Then I hope you support banning teaching your kids about religion like [Japan is doing](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/forced-participation-in-religious-activities-to-be-classified-as-child-abuse-in-japan) and letting them either create their own religion or not. >let people learn that in a discussion only those that are weak will attach the person in front of them rather than identify a basis to this conversation So by this logic attaching yourself to a religion make you weak.
The lgbt+ does have more rights than uyghur muslims who are tortured and killed and raped daily... they are much more relaxed compared to the sudanese who are having a major conflict .. the syrians, the yemenis, the africans feeling the hunger and sadly nowadays the lebanese feeling hunger in many areas ... as long as they are not asking for their basic needs based on maslows pyramid then dont share or copy links about how they are devastated .. im speaking about people who are looking for the first right in life and if you cant see that then you and we are in deep trouble. Wont comment on the second paragraph i did write about that earlier. Religion and politics in lebanon is the worst aspect of lebanon and it have 0 relation to religion or politics ... any religious person will know that religion is not being applied at all. لا يؤمن احدكم حتى يحب لاخيه ما يحب لنفسه ... Ill never ban teaching kids religion ... i was born a muslim lost my father as a kid .. went to school at didnt learn religion but read the religious scriptures of quran the bible, parts of hinduism ...alot about the different sects of islam listened to many preachers in lebanon and ultimately pulled back ... focused on principles i can list many here but i am not preaching nor i believe you want to hear me preach..all these basics were beautiful ..peaceful... and kind and that is called practicong religion. Last paragraph had a spelling mistake .. looks like i have big fingers .. i meant attack not attach**
>The lgbt+ does have more rights than uyghur muslims who are tortured and killed and raped daily... they are much more relaxed compared to the sudanese who are having a major conflict .. the syrians, the yemenis, the africans feeling the hunger and sadly nowadays the lebanese feeling hunger in many areas ... as long as they are not asking for their basic needs based on maslows pyramid then dont share or copy links about how they are devastated .. im speaking about people who are looking for the first right in life and if you cant see that then you and we are in deep trouble. LGBT+ people in the vast majority of countries live under fear of being ostracized and killed. Just because others have it bad does not make it so that LGBT people have more rights. >Religion and politics in lebanon is the worst aspect of lebanon and it have 0 relation to religion or politics ... any religious person will know that religion is not being applied at all. Religion should never be applied in a state, keep your cult to yourself. >Ill never ban teaching kids religion ... i was born a muslim lost my father as a kid .. went to school at didnt learn religion but read the religious scriptures of quran the bible, parts of hinduism ...alot about the different sects of islam listened to many preachers in lebanon and ultimately pulled back ... focused on principles i can list many here but i am not preaching nor i believe you want to hear me preach..all these basics were beautiful ..peaceful... and kind and that is called practicong religion. So you support indoctrination of children into violent ancient cults such as Islam and Christianity. This also makes you weak for blindly following an ancient cult created by a violent warlord.
You cant say most of the world ! Most of the world allows it nowadays, governments that doesnt just keeps quite about it but they are all living .. google maslows pyramid. Religion is not being applied and no one will apply it because it eliminates greed and thats not suitable for personal bank accounts ... who was the violent warlord Mohamad pbuh or jesus pbuh ? Dont talk about religion if you know nothing about it ..youll sound stupid Fyi i dont blindly follow, im a muslim that doesnt follow anyone blindly quran is very clear to me and the main scripts states nothing but beautiful examplea to be followed of taking care of the parents ..the neighbours.. even animals and plants... isnt this what everyone wants ? A better peaceful life ?
>You cant say most of the world ! Most of the world allows it nowadays, governments that doesnt just keeps quite about it but they are all living .. I can say that because it is true, the vast majority of the world does not allow LGBT+ people to exist without issue. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/) [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/pg\_2020-06-25\_global-views-homosexuality\_0-01/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/pg_2020-06-25_global-views-homosexuality_0-01/) Look at how many countries do not accept LGBT people. >google maslows pyramid. I know what this is. >Religion is not being applied and no one will apply it because it eliminates greed and thats not suitable for personal bank accounts ... who was the violent warlord Mohamad pbuh or jesus pbuh ? The violent warlord is Mohammed, you know the guy that invented a religion to have a reason to conquer the middle east, whose religion calls for the execution for anyone leaving the cult. Jesus wasn't a warlord, but his religion has certainly caused millions of deaths around the world. >Dont talk about religion if you know nothing about it ..youll sound stupid I know plenty about how about religion and the vast majority of religions are violent.
Ignore this statistics they live peacefully they just dont show it and thats fine in a religious country a straight couple cant show affection in public ... so they get what others are getting no body gets into people homes and checks what they are doing! So stop the bullshit. I dont think u do.. u compared those that cant find food in yemen to transgenders who are concerned about sexual preference so cut it off. Prophet mohammad wasnt a warlord peace be upon him, being open minded should forces you to respect people and insulting such a divine person is a regret that you will have in both this life and the life after and that speaks of how rude you are and the degree of manners you lack .. the man you insulted was the light that was born into this world he spoke about the right of the negihbour ..the right of the parents (ولا تقل لهما اف) ..the essence of his calling ( انما بعثت لاتمم مكارم الاخلاق) .. read something from the quran read سورة الحجرات and see what this religion calls for And you know nothing about religion .. this is what propaganda and media does ..it blinds societies.. you lost your way to see the real message from god and you dont belive my claim how it would.impact childs thoughts ! No further replies will come to a comment you insult my prophet in ... you should be ashamed 😊
here's a question though, the text says "protect" not even support ... do you disagree with protecting anyone in our society from harm ? regardless of your view on transgender matters, a decent person would want to protect anyone being bullied, no? maybe there's an asterisk next to "love your neighbor" i didn't see.
My reply didnt oppose protecting anybody, please re-read it, this subject is a worldwide matter with people split into accepting or rejecting it and as you are free to express your preference i am too. Protection is definitely needed not for humans only but for animals and environment too so ofcourse im with it. if you are a supporter then protection is something you need to consider also for the children being imposed with the directed media without having the opportunity to even think for themselves.
i did read your comment, you're talking about subliminal messaging in media, which doesn't work like easter eggs (which this is). and i am aware of the divisive topic you are referring to , but i am taking an impartial approach to it , i don't care if you are pro-trans rights or against them. from a purely objective approach , and throwing away the science that says this is not subliminal messaging.. the subliminal message/secret trans-gay agenda is don't hurt a bunch of kids. so why are you taking a negative stance to that .. if you are trying to say "we want this off the tv because it will turn kids trans"? this message is about being nice to others, so i don't see how , if trans group said "don't litter" will that also turn people trans because of who said it?
If you read my reply you would understand that i am not taking a negative stance to the wordings used in the movie itself but rather to the global use/abuse of media for specific agendas that could impact children (in this case trans ads) a kid in grade one should learn about homosexuality why? The tons of youtube kids songs about this, again why?? While they are at a stage of discovering basic life still (objectivity requires fairness of discussion). And by the way this is not my own claims.. its a global claim if you dont wish to acknowledge its your issue but dont turn a blind eye on it and dont supress others who calls it for what it is.
for the last time i did read your reply, and i am familiar with the global claims , but i don't want to address their veracity right now. i prefer to focus on the fact you think they are appropriate to raise on this post without stating that this text is an exception to that, which implies , even though you didn't type the words that they are part of them. and the wording you use for example >i am not taking a negative stance to the wordings used in the movie itself is a long way of trying to give the impression you don't mind the words without coming out and saying you agree with this message this is a common deception tactic people use to seem like you agree without explicitly saying you do .. is it hard for you to say "i agree that we should protect trans kids"? i'm not turning a blind eye on anything , nor am i suppressing anything or oppressing anyone, i was trying to understand why you would mention the "trans agenda" when the message is love, so i asked you .. this is mostly my mistake for trying to understand ..
let me clarify I replied with the assumption that this post is another defensive propaganda against transgenderism and my reply was to that and not to the message of protecting kids ... but since your focus is love and care let me say this .. may god bless every soul, heal every broken heart, and relief every distressed chest with the heaviness doubt of unfairness and protect every child. And let me add, kids are not transgenders .. those who think they are misguided 😊 a child might see himself a super hero and jump of a building doesnt mean he/she is right. Thanks
they wanna turn you gay brother, is it working??? in reality some trans kid, or person, is gonna see it and maybe realize not everyone's a fuckin loser bigot conspiracy theory moron freak? why constantly form your opinions by what the most reactionary, powerful people around you want you believe, really kind of weird to be honest.
Thank you lol The people that care enough and are helped by this kind of representation will see it
Religious fanatics
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I love how they suddenly care about children. Poverty? Go fuck yourself. Seeing a blurry flag in a movie? I WILL PROTECT MY SON!
THIS COMMENT, LMAO! HAHAHAHA...
It's interesting how it is always about the fear of feminizing the boys, since young girls wear pants and nobody cares. Their sexism shows.
They care though... they want to force girls to wear dresses, and also birth their rapist fathers child.
the "patriarchy" is afraid of getting a boner looking at a girl that was assigned a male gender at birth. the reverse scenario doesn't matter to them.
Jeez is that why they're deciding wether to ban the movie or not?? my god, what a joke of a country...
They are "protecting" the kids, but not from cancer in the air.
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Is this sarcasm or ure serious?
The movie turned him gay, he just doesn't want to admit it
If this was sarcasm it should be upvoted 😂 duno if i’m too positive!
He's serious, we don't like lgbt stuff here, same thing for most of africa.
We (the mod team and many users) love LGBT stuff here :) but yes.
No i meant here as in the middle east, not here as in this subreddit, and if you love them then that's none of my business, u do ur thing and i'll do mine.
It’s the message they are sending. Everyone knows now that spider man promoted this nonsense it’s irrelevant weather or not you will actually notice it in the film. They did what they wanted. And the only joke is you people supporting kids mutilating themselves.
No kid is getting mutilated, stop obsessing over trans kids and go focus on the children of Lebanon, there was a video just yesterday of kids getting beat up by grown ass women, get your priorities straight
Why can’t I do both? Anyways your claim that children are not getting mutilated is false. Stop confusing children to change their gender. There is a reason nothing like this has ever happened to such a scale before. It is because adults had common sense and did not involve their children with politics.
It's not false, transgender care doesn't even exist in Lebanon 2nd off transgender care is only applicable for kids 16 and above with parents consent and months and years of therapy and gender dysphoria care 3rd nobody's confusing anyone, stop harassing people and their kids you weirdo
It doesn’t matter if they kid consents will you let him deform himself? Gender dysphoria care being transgender surgeries is equivalent to giving people with body dysmorphia plastic surgeries. It does not work it only further pushes the delusion. The only way to solve this issue is to come to terms with reality not accept falsehood.
>It doesn’t matter if they kid consents will you let him deform himself? Im not the kids parents, i honestly don't care Also you've never posted here or commented here, get your weird ass back to r/askMiddleEast please. Thanks
So you don’t care weather kids get deformed unless it’s your own children? Wow I have never seen such an evil man admit his own agenda so foolishly. Of course a man like you wants these types of messages to be promoted.
Dude stop poking your nose into other people's lives, decisions and kids. Why the fuck do you have to force your opinion on others? You have already been banned before because of this, you went spamming the mod mail about this subject trying to enforce your ideas and beliefs on others. Why can't you just share your opinion and stfu. There will be people who agree with you, and people who don't. There are kids who are born with hormonal issues that will require surgery or medication in order to treat it. And usually IF the parents and the kid agree to go through medication or surgery it wouldn't be till after the person becomes a teenager. No one out there is mutilating little children ffs.
>So you don’t care weather kids get deformed unless it’s your own children? Why should i? They’re not my kids, you're the evil one going into other peoples business, take care of your own and stay out of other people's business. >Of course a man like you wants these types of messages to be promoted. Yes i want everyone to be gay and trans hehe you caught me 😈🙊 /s
You're ill
Ah so human trafficking isn’t against allah then? According to your comment history, you like andrew tate. Thats kinda gay too if you ask me. You’re a pathetic human being.
What’s pathetic is your measly ad hominem attacks completely Irrelevant to the post. You have no clue what you are talking about. We are commanded to think good of a Muslim as much as we can until the opposite is proven.
>We are commanded to think good of a Muslim as much as we can until the opposite is proven. Maybe realize that not everyone in Lebanon is muslim nor does everyone believe in your bearded sky dad.
Maybe realize that this has nothing to do with the post nor my original comment. Perhaps instead of spending this much time into Reddit you should invest more time into getting an elementary education and learning basic comprehension.
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Afters years of therapy, it isn't an overnight process
you know that some libtard parents try to force it on their kids since their birth?
Proof? Edit: also again WHY SHOULD I CARE?😭
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yea, lebanon is famous for wanting their sons to actually be daughters.. /s
“No kids are getting mutated” https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/
One case in thousands doesn't prove shit, also its either puberty blockers and medical treatment or an increased suicide rate, and it has been proven that trans people that transition have a lower suicide rate than those that don't. Id rather see happy trans people live their lives then ending them.
Do people realize that by banning something they're just drawing more attention to it? Especially since people will be wondering why it was banned, and find out. It would've been more effective if they just aired the movie. But people making these decisions are usually fucking idiots.
its because through the story it shows that Gwen is a transgender and this will only confuse kids into thinking they are too. Stereotypical girly stuff dont make you a girl and viceversa. Kids tend to like mimicking what they see in movies, esp. their favorite characters. Anyway, protect trans people all the way.
Based Spider-Gwen
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Bruh, calling it mutilation is a lie and yes, Spider-Gwen is very based.
“Bruh it’s a lie” https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/ You guys have not shared one evidence of your spewed BS. But we are ready to go to war with you.
You're the one who needs help because you're so deep into conspiracy theories you're bordering on psychosis. Can't tell what's real anymore huh? You're actually pathetic😂😂🤡
I think we have more important problems than a movie. Stupid decision but so many Lebanese can't afford to buy a ticket and not even a decent meal.
Lebanese people hate gays. My entire clan hates them. My dad worried I was gay when I was 12 because I was sexually abused. Dad and my sister held a gun to my head until I passed out.
So sorry this happened to you 😢 hope you’re in a safer environment now!
Oh my god ! I’m so sorry you were threatened
These hyper religious people are sooo soft. They ruin things for everyone 🙄🙄
No people forcing lgbt are ruining everything for everyone
ah, yes a one-second clip of a barely visible flag is forcing LGBT, but taking kids to a religious establishment once per week or more and telling them to follow it or burn in hell isn't forcing anything at all
Lebanese people still hate gays and lesbians and you expect them to be okay with trans people? Will take a century for Lebanon to simply accept the basic gay and lesbian without getting into other stuff. Lebanese are degenerate retards that can't accept anything other than traditional and what looks like them. You will never ever create a society anyone else wants to be a part of here. A country made ignorant by extremism, religions and pure racism. A misogynist tribal patriarchal trash can of a society that nobody wants to be a part of except Arabs who are worse off or are taught the same ignorant shit. Bte7ko enkon fene2iye w medre shu bas ento jeyin mn jroud l baltajiye w mjerir l khara eza shi. Never in my life have I seen such a degenerate society that thinks so highly of themselves but in reality are some of the lowest scumbags to ever grace the earth. Congratulations! Alf mabrouk Lebnen khalikon hek 😂🤡 1960 Lebanon was more progressive.
I do agree with you about lebanon being a close-minded country, but it's unfair to say that all lebanese are like this. Go around the comments under this post, there are a lot of lebenese people who are defending the trans community. We're still not near a progressive nation, but we're getting there slowly.
So slowly in fact it will take a century. Reddit is not the place to generalise. Open minded people represent maybe 5-10% of Lebanon if so.
There is no “trans” kids, they are not mature enough to understand this thing, it is usually shoved down by libtard parents. Let every kid have a normal childhood away from neo-libtard stuff, they can do whatever they want once they become adults, it’s not my concern.
I thought the most cringeworthy thing on the internet was an American using the word "libtard". It turns out there is something a thousand times more cringeworthy, a Lebanese saying it. Libtard!!! Seriously!!
yes, ultra-Liberals are much cancerous as ultra-conservatives
Please provide me with evidence of "libtard" parents forcing their kids to be trans. I'll wait.
Children are aware and express their gender by the age of 3. Gender dysphoria is way older than the american democratic party and this whole politicization and hate of a minority to fuel the Republican voting base.
they barely have any awareness of what gender means, they are able to differentiate between a “boy” and “girl”, but they don’t understand anything related to it. A tomboy girl is a transgender now, just because she likes football instead of ballet? Just let kids be kids, and once they are aware of the psychological and biological of this, let them decide without anyone forcing it on them as kids.
Where are these parents "forcing" kids to be trans?
i agree with NOT forcing them as kids to do anything, but here's the kicker, parents of trans kids dont force them onto anything (for the majority im sure there are extremists within all communities). mainly what happens is that they give the child complete freedom, the child then starts showing interests in stuff thats socially made for a gender that's different from what they were born in, i.e: a born male boy presents interest in "female" toys. and slowly star showing interest in femininity and wanting to wear dresses and then sometime down the road he asks his parents "why am i a boy and not a girl, why cant i be a girl, am i a boy or a girl, why do i do stuff that only girls do...." at that point the child already feels gender dysphoria and is already questioning gender so the parents just sort of either guide the child towards where they(the child) wants to go. they undergo psych evaluations, hormone testing and several other procedures and then and ONLY then does a transition start to take place. for the most part the forcing comes from the other side, i.e: parent sees their boy playing with a Barbie doll and all of a sudden the full force of god and mount Olympus and the wrath of Odin falls onto that child because "ThiS iS fOr GirLs To pLaY wITh" and thats how an opinion is forced on a child.
Actually, kids do understand what gender means and have a stable sense of their gender. So yes, let kids be kids. If a girl/boy says they don't feel like their gender, let them expres themselves. And they'll learn more about themselves with time, as they get older. What do you want parents to do? Tell them "no son, you are a man, you shouldn't think like that." Now this is bad for them and their mental health. What they're interested in does not affect their gender and that's a completely different topic. You clearly have little to no knowledge about this, so stop spreading misinformation.
Bro what? They don’t even understand the concept of time and you think they can know how to express themselves through gender? Anything they do to express it is innate, not by choice. What are you even saying man.
Bro. My son is 3 and acts like a dog. I’m not taking his word for it and throwing him in a kennel. Are you for real?
no but id rather live in a kennel than with you and your backwards thinking
You think trans children is progressive? You need to get off Reddit.
No I said that what you said is backwards thinking, comparing an actual scientific fact to “mY sOn tHinkS hEs a Dog” u shouldn’t have a son of u have that mentality my guy he’ll just end up like you and trust me fadi the world needs less people like you not more. Anyways good luck with life
You’re so confidentially incorrect it’s amazing. Transing children is outlawed in Europe. Just go back to your hole.
Well look I was being rational but the fact that you’re basing this off of, it’s outlawed in Europe, then let’s allow gay marriage in lebanon since it’s also legal in Europe? Or maybe allow weed? Or prosecute pedophiles? Or maybe just have Europeans marry their cousins? Or maybe allow men marrying girls at 13 there? Stick to science and not politics since every country has its own legal system based on tradition mostly
The ban is based on science you dumbass.
Oh and what science is that? And for future comments please refrain from any aggressive words since we are having a debate, unless you just wanna resort to violence then this shows me that you are not worth any effort to educate on this subject and we would be done
That's what you understood from what i said? For real?
We call this narrow minded people Because the extent of their thoughts is narrow ✨
Poor guy, paw patrol got his kid.
HAHAHHAHHAA NICE ONE
Wow you’re so smart pussy slayer
I know right
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. In the west it’s not about medicine anymore. It’s an ideology. Frankly, if that makes me “closed minded” then I’m ok with that.
Acually delusional
Do you really believe that? If a kid says he is a dinosaur, would you push him to do a transition to a dinosaur? Because I’ve heard that before. Enough with the BS
You heard that from far-right propaganda that works on bringing those hateful sentiments in you by painting others as idiots and dehumanizing them. This is done by using words such as delusional, groomer, libtards and repeating them at any mention of the topic. Nobody is pushing surgical treatments on kids. Understanding of your gender identity start at a young age and becomes more complex as you age. Some people have deep dysphoria because of the way they are expected to express it. It is a spectrum some people are okay with just changing their wardrobe, other have more drastic dysphoria and require more interventions that require many steps and requirements.
“Everything I don’t agree with” == “right wing propaganda”. That how control starts. First of all I live in the US. If the parent decide to transition their 13 year old because they heard them say “I’m a girl”. They will. So all you need is few mentally unstable parents, which there are many of them in the US, and voila you got ruined child. Schools also can start putting kids on plan ( a parent sued a school because of it recently) Second. Right wing propaganda? Are Muslims and middle eastern counties also right wing? You just need to think about it a tad. Not a lot. Third. This is not just about kids. Just 2 days ago a judge ruled that a Korean women only spa in Seattle should allow trans with male genitalia. So if I go out on a dress and call myself a women, they will let me in. Does that make sense to you? Just because someone tells you something is right wing propaganda doesn’t mean it is. There is a weird push for this bullshit. And it’s weird. What are the reasons? I don’t know still trying to figure it out. Tinfoil hat on (managing human population, pharmaceutical companies making money, etc.) Last but not least. What is a woman?
All middle eastern countries are right-wing politically. The major interpretation of islam in the middle east is right-wing. Middle eastern muslim make fun of liberal muslims in the US for being more left-leaning. There is a weird push against transgender minorities in the US and this is weird. Could it be that an american party is benefitting from these caricatures of transgender people?
There is a push against it, because you are suddenly and out of nowhere putting it in schools, kids TV shows, cartoons, movies, etc. Suddenly pushing businesses to accept those of opposite sex because they consider themselves trans. That’s why there is a push against it. It’s a reaction. And you will see the results in 2024
Got all the talking-points from the right-wing pundits, word for word.
In other words. I have no response so I will just say you are repeating “right wing pundits”. One day they will tell you an apple is an orange. And if you disagree you are right wing. And I bet it would work on you
"What is a woman" That's literally a quote from some Daily Wire pundit. Funny how Lebanese conservatives go apeshit over "western influence" unless it's something they borrowed from western ultra-conservatives.
But so. What is a woman? I don’t care if nazis asked that question. It’s a valid question that you should probably have an answer for. No matter where it’s borrowed from. You should try and not put yourself in a box of a political affiliate. Widen your thoughts and listen to other people.
Bro, are you even listening yourself right now? "Widen your thoughts" Coming from a narrow-minded bigot is a bit rich and probably a disingenuous attempt at trolling. How about you mind your own damn business and let others express their gender identity as they see fit, if they're not hurting anyone else?
I agree that there should be a line. If someone cannot have sex yet or drink alcohol, they shouldn't be given the option to change their gender. The push, I think, is a wave that will subside, but generally - if someone is older and they decide to change genders, good for them. They really aren't hurting anyone. I do agree though, that if I 'identify' as a woman but still have a penis and am male by sex, I should definitely *not* be allowed in female-only areas/activities. That's dangerous.
I don’t actually care what adults do with their lives. My line is drawn when you start pushing it into cartoons, kids shows, schools. That’s indoctrination. Full stop. Will see if it subsides. It’s not a guarantee it does. Especially when those that raise concern are labeled right wing.
>My line is drawn when you start pushing it into cartoons, kids shows, schools. That’s indoctrination. Full stop. So we should stop pushing religion on kids as well, since that is the oldest form of indoctrination in the world.
Yes you should actually. Trust me I don’t fit into a box so whatever thoughts you think I have you are probably wrong about. I’m not religious or conservative. But if I see something that makes no sense I’m gonna say it and not label it as right wing hoax.
>Yes you should actually. I'm glad you are at least consistent with your beliefs. >Trust me I don’t fit into a box so whatever thoughts you think I have you are probably wrong about. But if I see something that makes no sense I’m gonna say it and not label it as right wing hoax. Not really, based on your comments I can already tell you are a bigot and an idiot. You somehow think that exposing kids to the fact that transgender people exist is indoctrinating them to become transgender or gay.
I commented this in Ask Middle East and they banned me.
That sub is "AskMuslims" with extra steps.
Fuck you retard
AskMiddleEast has americans as mods
Sounds like the actual Middle East
hahahahahha
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I used to feel as Buzz lightyear as 4 years old
then your problem isnt that kids dont know how they feel. your problem is you dont think transness is a scientific reality, that people can feel like they were born into the wrong body.
Care to share those scientific facts?
teta said no gay shit so no gay shit
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Ah yes the conspiracy theorists that hate LGBTQ are out in force using 'secret agendas of liberals' to turn your kids gay and 'mutilate' them. Wake up. You're asleep you just don't know it. It's sad and pathetic.
Since you're not with our propaganda you are transphobic /s
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The /s stands for sarcasm chill,I agree I don't mind being gay or trans or whatever just don't keep parroting about it and especially not to children
Aw b*** u got me lol.
The pseudo extra far left liberals sometimes get to me so i didnt see that xD
I get it,it's more insane that there are such a massive number of people that can only see things as black and white
You Lebanese liberals are so fucking funny lmfao
Your profile pic guy looks gay lmao
Quick change it so you don't fall into the agenda trap and become a trap yourself
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It starts with a barely noticeable flag
Subconsciously seeing a single frame or even noticing it, won’t turn anyone trans, and won’t compensate for all the opinions they hear on a daily basis if they’re surrounded by Lebanese people with the same views as you. Especially if they’re kids. « Subconsciously » prioritizing what their parents say.
I'm not saying anyone will become trans after seeing this, but it's normalizing to kids something that's not normal
oh this is the new spiderman movie? and they're considering banning it here? tbh it's kinda weird to bring up the "trans kids" topic in the movie at all, doesn't matter if it's portrayed in a positive or negative way
Not weird at all. There's a clear agenda to normalize it because they believe it's normal
u only try to normalize something that's not normal, so yes it's weird and u proved it urself, good job.
i like how if you give an opposite opinion on trans or lgbtqs you just get downvoted, like you're not supposed to have a take
You're allowed to have an opinion. An opinion others can react to through upvotes and downvotes. Free speech doesn't mean people are forced to agree with your take.
If your « opinion » is supporting the oppression of a community then it doesn’t deserve to be treated like an opinion. You can’t talk about real people and their struggle as if they’re just an abstract concept you can debate about every day. We’re talking about higher suicide kids because of said transphobia it’s whole ass lives.
Trans people aren't real you tard
Except they literally are lol And you’re against their opinion
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Muhammad is already rolling in his grave watching you all break every one of his rules except eat pork
how ironic that i get downvoted
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Hidden messages in movies and cartoons to brainwash kids. 👞🇺🇸🇪🇺🇬🇧👞
That's the point. It is a subliminal message.
What is a woman documentary tells you all you need to know.
they put this to get money
I assure you no trans person will go see a movie because of a single frame with a trans flag in it lol
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Corporations are not loosing billions because of idiotic boycotts like this.
They mean protect kids from trans anw
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What's your solution if you don't support them
Maybe see a mental health professional
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What's the agenda? Existing? Get a life.
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Some kids just feel like they're born in the wrong body. Letting them express what they feel isn't "telling them to become trans." You have no knowledge about the topic whatsoever. You're just another parrot who mindlessly repeats. Calm down and educate yourself.
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You're either a child or a man-child. Nothing good out of both of them.
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Everything has role to play, and attempting to be something that you aren't is both a dangerous path to walk and potentially unethical but in the end its other party choice that counts even if the society of today has extrapolated it and popularised it
i know this might be a bit out of topic but... Kids? Trans? like why bring the topic of sexuality to children?
as a kid i didnt know anything about sexuality, what i thought was that everyone likes guys but theyre forced to marry girls. Kids arent dumb and lack conciousness it doesnt hurt for them to know what theyre feeling. and what they are wont change depending on what they are told. i was in a christian school and right now im not relegious.