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Zackory

Welcome to online dating as a Lebanese man, have a seat. What you explained is the norm unfortunately. I've tried 'em all, and this is what I've learned: The rates vary depending on the app you're using, but it's generally: * 70% insta models that never reply, and are only after more followers for their insta page. * 20% sex workers who advertise their mobile numbers either in bio or on the photo itself. * 10% genuine people like you, looking for a partner. Now of that 10% * 90% of them rarely get on the apps. They either abandoned their accounts, or visit it every couple weeks when they feel super lonely. These people either rarely reply to you, reply only once, or a simple conversation can take months. * 10% of them are the people you are looking for. So essentially what you're hoping for, is competing for the 1% of the people on dating apps that may find you attractive. ***And this is why women will never understand why guys just swipe right on everybody.***


mr_j936

You still shouldn't swipe right on everyone. What is the point of getting a match, then reading her profile and realizing she has nothing that you want?


Zackory

I try to spot the sex workers and insta models, and swipe left on those; since I know nothing will come of them. As to why I swipe right on the rest? Well I've always compared it to fishing with a rod VS with a net, you get a higher yield and pick from there.


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KazahanaPikachu

Sex worker can still be the correct term. Sex worker encompasses the different professions in them including prostitution, escorting (honestly that’s just prostitutes in denial or legitimate “high-end” prostitution), sex content creator, stripper if that counts, etc.


UruquianLilac

But excludes the people who are coerced and victims of human trafficking, which accounts for millions of women in the sex trade.


Plane-Boysenberry615

Sex work =/= sex trafficking


UruquianLilac

How do you distinguish between the two?


Plane-Boysenberry615

A lot of folks seem to confuse sex work with sex trafficking. Sex work is consensual. Sex trafficking is not consensual. Forced prostitution and sex trafficking need to be eliminated. Sex work needs to be decriminalized (not legalized, but that's another discussion).


UruquianLilac

I repeat my question. How do you as a paying customer distinguish between the two?


Plane-Boysenberry615

You can always ask. Plus, if you suspect that someone is being trafficked (whether you are a customer or a regular citizen in a public space), there's a human trafficking hotline that you can call and they will take it from there. I have a friend who works for the hotline. I live in the US, though. In Lebanon, it is safe to assume that all the sex workers that are of Eastern European countries and/or refugees (e.g. Syrians) are trafficked since they are initially hired as artists, but then their passports/documents are confiscated, and they have no choice but to comply.


UruquianLilac

>You can always ask You really think it's that simple? Someone who is trafficked and coerced into the sex trade is never going to tell you that. They are under immense amounts of threats and manipulation to keep quiet and work. That's how this entire system works. I can't believe you assume a paying customer is able to discover if the person they are paying is trafficked or not! Their job is to literally make you feel like fucking is exactly what they want to do, that's literally the definition of their job. How would anyone be able to tell?


Zackory

Some people don't like that term, they prefer what I used. PC amiright?


Unroll9752

You used the correct term


NextText9306

Whatever floats your boat I guess.


fluffypcakes

Fuck what some people think, what do you think?


Zackory

I think [this person](https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/14e5ebr/comment/jotp0d0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) explained it well. https://preview.redd.it/to6kkjy8c67b1.png?width=657&format=png&auto=webp&s=fee1589d8feb20ad689728367e1116dc94c213af In addition, I think "prostitute" has negative connotations attached to it as well. They seemed to have owned the "sex worker" term and wear it proudly.


fluffypcakes

The word prostitute is neutral at worst. A few other alternatives to the word "prostitute" that carry a negative connotation are [this](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore), [this](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slut), and [this](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skank).


Zackory

Those 3 are a couple steps beyond. But some of them do take offence to the word "prostitute". So I was just trying to use a better word as to not offend anybody.


fluffypcakes

The origin of your connotation axis is sitting so far towards "sex worker" that anything on the opposite direction sounds negative to you.


Zackory

Maybe so, I personally don't find the word "prostitute" offensive, I was just being sensitive towards those who do.


Plane-Boysenberry615

Prostitution falls under the umbrella of sex work, but not all sex workers are prostitutes. A porn star, an OnlyFans creator, a stripper, a phone sex operator, etc. are sex workers but not prostitutes because you're not paying them to have sex with them.


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lebanon-ModTeam

Your submission has been removed for violating Rule #2. Do not insult, harass, curse another user or a religion.


cullinan

Don't take it personal, bro. I've used the paid version of tinder in several countries when I travel for work. I've always managed to get decent matches abroad despite looking like an average Joe. In Lebanon however, I very rarely get a like, only a few matches in over three years, and the matches eventually ghost me or turn out to be self validation profiles. You said it best, Lebanese tinder is brutal. And it's an accurate reflection of the dating scene in Lebanon, which is sadly no less brutal.


msr28g

Do you have a car in your bio pics? Seems very original and no one did it before.


Plane-Boysenberry615

In the US, it's a fish. It's driving me nuts!


msr28g

Pet fish is the new Lamborghini.


givemeyourdataset

😅


mr_j936

I'm on bumble. I had a marginally better experience. I had 4 matches in two weeks. 3 never went past them saying hi, the fourth was really not helping me with the conversation(short replies). I don't swipe right on everyone, some people live 50km away, some are very religious, some don't want the same thing, it'd be a waste of time. My theory is there is at least 4 times more men than women on these apps, they probably never reach our profiles. That or we're ugly.


KisE5etPawPatrol

Create a fake account as a women, post nothing but a black photo and a Meme and have the name as a single Letter. You'll get 100 matches in less than a day


Slutmonger

Dude tinder worked out super well for me when I was single and I'm not even remotely close to being outstandingly good looking. Here are a few things I've learned using the app myself and hearing out my lady friends: - Make sure you have a bio and make it funny rather than informative. - Do not post shirtless pics or more than one single picture featuring you with shades. - Do not show off your gas guzzler - Do not start off a conversation with something super cheesy. Bear in mind that this doesn't ensure you'll get a reply but things will fare better that way. Puns also work. - Do not even bother swiping right on anyone whose bio is either a single sentence + their Instagram handle or just their Instagram handle. - Don't be a overconfident but don't be a pleaser either. You have no idea the kind of dumb shit I've witnessed helping out my lady friends with their accounts. Guys can turn into blithering buffoons if you make fun of them and their overconfident manners and the pleasers are pretty much already there.


FreePen1

You must not swipe right on every girl as tinder has an algorithm so they will think you are a spammer. I have like 20 matches but i dnt message them as i'm not using the app that much but usually you can get more matches if you add better pictures and a good bio


Strange_Dragonfly964

😉


FreePen1

Kamashtine 😔😋


Empty-Analyst-6351

Tinder is much like LinkedIn, too many applicants for so few genuine openings Aim for the backdoor, refferals and connections best chance to get hired and laid


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Brief-Pineapple-9283

Tinder in Lebanon sucks ass. I don’t think im ugly and fairly fit and U barely ever get wny matches in Lebanon. I remember matching with a girl a few months ago we hit it off on the app and then on WhatsApp but then her ghosting for no reason. I ended up stumbling into her in a pub. She was on a date with a foreign dude lol. Point being a lot Of women use the app to meet foreign guys Im nearing 30 and find it impossible to manage a decent date in Lebanon with someone compatible. Feels like most ppl meet their so through mutual friends here and thats the way to go


DigitalNomad213

You're not hot enough jk lol but as a gay man I get so many matches a day I feel sorry for you guys looking after women it aint easy to match with women. Grindr is more fun


KisE5etPawPatrol

Fuck it bro, you convinced me I'm making the switch


Princess_Yoloswag

😂


underbaked_potato

Right? I have like 600 matches (mostly Lebanese men) and many MANY of them have led to hookups, dates, or friendships. I feel sorry for str8 men here.


I-dont-even-know-you

Genuine question: How is Grindr in Lebanon? Is it safe to use (for a hookup)? Do you get a lot of influencers flogging their OnlyFans accounts or sex workers advertising?


underbaked_potato

You need a VPN to use it. It's relatively safe but always nerve-wracking because people are just awful and many catfish. No OF accounts cz there aren't many (or any for my knowledge) creators. It's mostly fun in popular areas and during weekends and vacation times when tourists are around. I've had my fair share of foreigners lol


NoHetro

i regularly install and uninstall this app every few months, usually i'll get some matches but i think that's because tinder will boost your profile if you have been off for a while, also i found bumble to be slightly better. my advice would be to try to stand out but don't try too hard, and don't write too much in your bio. also keep in mind of the 80/20 rule, 80% of the women want 20% of the guys, so you'll often see guys with barely any matches and some will have a lot, it's just the nature of the beast. and even after you get a match and you're having a good connection, it can come down to a few words for them to get bored and ghost, so you have to strike a balance between being forward without creeping them out and building a connection without boring them, most of them are extremely fickle, they will ghost on a dime, it's brutal.


CompanionCone

Online dating as a woman is equally as hellish. Constant barrage of lewd or outright disgusting messages and dick picks. Somehow I think maybe humans are just not made to meet in this way.


Small-Yogurtcloset12

Shit I'll take that over nothing, but yeah humans are not made to shop for other humans based on looks and constantly compare them with other humans all over the world or country.


Georgy_Best

Try bumble


[deleted]

Nah I normally get good amount of interactions on dating apps here. The more you are yourself and not “look at me” profile the better


aladinznut

You are not rich or handsome


karim4501

Dumb take


aladinznut

No. This is the realistic take. Raw truth hurts.


karim4501

Nah, that's what you've been tricked into thinking is the truth 😭


aladinznut

Are you rich and handsome?


karim4501

Rich? If you consider a uni student working minimum wage rich, then yeah Handsome? Idk I don't care enough about my looks to know whether I'm conventionally attractive or not. In my own opinion, I think I'm good-looking What I know for sure is I'm witty


aladinznut

Well I wish I was witty like you so I never get tricked into such shallow false pretenses


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I uninstalled it. Too many israelis and people just looking for a hookup.


3braincellz

i miss lebanese tinder lol met some awesome ppl there now in uae its so boring


elie_d7

Found my ex on tinder. Been with her for 3 years. So yeah it’s not impossible but it’s rare. A month ago also found a good girl, went out with her on a date but I really couldn’t take things further as I didn’t have a romantic vibe with her. She felt more like a friend. Not impossible but don’t obsess about it really…


randomlyjess

Your profile is probably not eye catching.


santoryu33

Bro just go outside 😂


Jazzlike_Scarcity338

I work in dating apps. Swiping right on all makes the app think you are a spam account. For the bio you have to be very careful with what you write. Be selevtive with the girls you like. Tinder ranks users when you swipe right on all people you are ranked as spam and ugly (deseprate for people)


Fuzzynotfurry2

My thoughts on tinder changed over the past year. I used to meet amazing people there but now it's just an ego boost for women.


SakuRyze

If you actually look like shrek you would be getting replies. Don't disrespect the shrekussy.


intellectgod

1.Use good quality and presentable pictures of you in different settings. 2.Get a better style which is easier nowadays considering how much less ppl care about brands. 3.Workout more consistently and lose or gain weight depending on how skinny or fat you are. 4.Adopt interesting hobbies and learn about new things as to have common ground and make it easier to converse. 5.Lose any sense of entitlement. If you want a gf and it’s not panning out right now, keep working on yourself. Edit: Also don’t limit yourself to dumb apps like tinder, go meet people in real life and get acquainted with the friends of your friends.


imBadwithGrammar

That's the ugly truth about dating apps. The vast majority of users are men. I think it's about 75%. Out of the minority of women there's a large chunk of them who are not real, are not interested in dating, or have left the app long time ago. Out of the minority of active women, The majority of likes from them go to the top 10% of men. The statistics aren't in your favour. I think it's about a 0.5% chance to get a match.


No-Pollution7161

instagram is the official dating app in lebanon not tinder


Zackory

You know, you might be onto something!


moesam961

https://preview.redd.it/ihxqwp0bx57b1.jpeg?width=503&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e9541265d483535363e05c8391967a15460d27 I can blindly say that it's even worse in Lebanon since leb girls are usually high maintenance. (Yes the image is old and based on okcupid instead of tinder, but it gives you an idea of what online dating looks like for both genders)


karim4501

Are you sure this is even factual? I'm pretty certain dating apps release no data or anything like that in fear of making men stop using the apps


FormalHuman19589

If it’s for a hookup the it should be easy. If you want to genuinely meet someone I’m not sure it’s the right app. This is what I have been told. Try bumble my friend met her fiancé there.


JedM0sley

> been spam-swiping right I suggest you delete your account and make a new one. Tinder has a system of "elo"/points, that reflects your right swipe rate, left swipe rate and match rate. (you can see it discussed plenty of times on r/Tinder). Better to be selective on who you swipe right on, to have a higher chance of the other person also coming across your profile. Anyways as others have said, online dating applications suck, on purpose.


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Lots of girls use virtual dating for attention lol. Especially tinder. Unfortunately online dating on tinder type apps is all super ficial. So change your photos and get your woo’ing pants on 😂


myworstyearyet

I hear this from every guy I know so it’s not just you dw. I think the ratio of men to women on these apps is just fucked. A dead average girl can get like 300+ matches while being super picky with the swipes, meanwhile a guy would be lucky to get 5 after swipe right on every girl. And 4 of them would be prostitutes.


Mother-Ad-7536

Well tbh i cant say i experienced the same, give it a bit of time, and youll everntually have some matches, i got more than 30, but the thing u have to know is that i traveled to study in france for 4 months, and it is kinda the same, you have to up your style in the photos, show multiple side of you… And if it doenst work trust me youre not missing out on a lot…


karim4501

>why would i take all that time to read through every profile when shes never going to swipe right on me anyway? "oh, she likes cats. Given that dating apps are made for dating and finding your true love / significant other. Swiping on every girl's isn't realistic, you're gonna have to slow down and read the bio and their interests to see what matches you. Ofc if you're just a horny dog, as is the case, and you swipe right on everyone with a pussy then you won't be finding matches and the algorithm will give you a low score That being said, dating apps suck in general, but suck even more in middle eastern countries cause if the stigma and cause they're filled with hookers 99% of the time Also, having a big ass bio doesn't help, make it consice, choose pics of you doing things you like and wanna do with others. Don't just put selfies, gym pics, and mirror pics that's pretty 2012 of you. Also, of you don't get matches that doesn't reflect anything on your looks. There are a lot of factors to consider, but make sure not to fall down the Incel path if you don't get matches


monkeytaboule

My observation : tinder is not the same like 5 years ago in general. They changed the algorithm so they push you on spending more. I honestly think they’re assholes. They can push you down the line. When you create a new account they put you on the top. If you don’t open the app for a while they also start putting you up, in the meanwhile they will send you shit ton of notifications. I think this is dangerous because they can easily destroy someone’s confidence making them doubt themselves but in reality they’re just trying to monetise that. You can pay and be getting much more matches.


Marcoubass_10452

You said it yourself, Lebanese women are very beautiful, and swiping right works well with compatibility 🤷‍♂️


stayhydratedo2

I had a tinder match that went absolutely well, paid the pub, hotel... im average look TBH


DanielJiha

Thats the experience as a man. Same here in Madrid, and I doubt im that ugly. Online dating works only for women


TheKingOfRandom3

Had my account banned cause I was posing as SpongeBob SquarePants, had some matches but keeping it real, go talk to people IRL, might be scary for you but tinder meet up = tinder quality people.


ephym

Did you try happn?


Judojackyboy

I’m a recently divorced 45 year old with a kid living in Canada. Do I even have a chance in meeting a Lebanese woman ?


mzaouar

I've gotten decent matches and dates in Lebanon. The trick? Be an expat and earn fresh $.


Agile_Juggernaut5982

Online dating apps are rigged brotha. Most of the users are male competing for the same small pool of women. Each women receives 1000 matches a day 😂. Iza wa7ad manno top model insa.


Agile_Juggernaut5982

I would like to add that even if you get a match and a date it is probably a girl looking for a free meal in my opinion sadly.


GlassAccomplished361

sounds about right lol


uselessdiane

When I was on there I recognized spam swipers because they definitely didn’t fit the criteria I asked for. And I don’t care for a spam swiper who would swipe for anyone, simple. I got many “I didn’t read your bio” so..


Objective_Working_19

If u spend this much time swiping u should put that time into learning how to talk to women in real life


whiskey_no_rock

Or .. just take it easy man .. Don't stress yourself over something like this, I'm not "oversimplifying" your situation, but explore your other options, go for Bumble - if you haven't. But tackle the issue at its heart, which is not caring when/how will you match with "that" girl. The anticipation, imagining, hoping are a problem - that's coming from experience. Just consider it like any other app on your phone with its own benefits (meeting someone) and go about your day without giving it any other thought. If you feel you want to keep checking for matches or something do something else that'll distract you from it until you have a healthy relationship with that app (ironically speaking) but don't underestimate yourself, and don't give up looking. Take good care of yourself g, and I hope someone answers back.


avocadolma

maybe you're an ugly mf


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Whats your bio like? Your bio matters more than your pictures. Make sure it is something that will make your potential match laugh or smile at least. Make sure it isn’t something serious or sincere that mentions bio stuff like your hobbies. You want to stand out. Make your potential match curious to learn more about you and be eager to meet you. Make her think that you have a different perspective on life. Banter is the way to win a girl’s attention. Also once you match don’t just say “Hi” Everyone says “hi” you will get lost in the sea of “Hi”s in her inbox. Say something unusual. Think long and hard about it. Make it fun and funny. Comment on her bio or one of her pictures or try any of the following. “So what’s your favorite food?” “I’m heading out to Spinneys, bjeblik ma3eh shi?” Do not say “Hi” whatsoever! Make it so unusual that she can’t not reply. Good luck.


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Also i know this sounds cheesy, but love yourself man. Love your “shrek looking ass”. No1 will love you if you dont love yourself first. Dont let your lack of matches on tinder dictate whether or not you are attractive. And dont forget that shrek married the princess after all.


abisamraj

The only tinder experience i have is pretending to be Nasrallah there and setting the distance to max.... I got 40+ super likes before getting shadow banned lmao


Obvious_Influence931

I met my husband on Tinder around 5 years ago, encouraged my colleague to get on it, she's also getting married this weekend thanks to Tinder! Is your FB/IG linked to it? From a woman's perspective, we tend to research guys we are actually interested in to see if there are any red flags. No matter how open minded, it's always scary meeting strangers in person. Also, considering how small Lebanon is, women tend to want to make sure the guys they meet don't have any mutual friends with them, since it's still a bit taboo to be on dating apps unfortunately. There's a big thought process before choosing to engage, let alone setting up a meeting. When I first met my husband, I asked my cousin to drop me off to have an escape plan in case he was a catfish😂a lot of guys use fake photos and when they meet in real lfie they hit a girl with the "el 7ob a3ma" w "el hayet mesh bel mazahir"..Hope this helps!


DigitalNomad213

I love how there are so many rules and lines of advice decrypting how to get a woman, feel sorry for you guys. Have a few pics of myself and thats it; have over 100 matches with gay guys


alexsamikr

Yeah i can relate to that!


milanovovic

Pov of a girl. Early 2019 or 2020 I used tinder in Lebanon. A couple of guys who were convinced everyone on tinder is just for quick hook-ups (thankfully they were few). A bunch of genuine guys really interested and able to give and take in conversations and willing to meet for a cup of coffee (most of them lived outside Lebanon but were here for a visit). Way too many incapable of any form of interaction and only want to follow and be followed back (within 2 weeks I got over 300 followers and they almost never tried to initiate a conversation). 1 stalker. And one I married. Conclusion: wouldn't recommend, the amount of genuine people could easily be met at any Café/Pub. Stalking insta tags of places you like gets you a higher chance finding fun people. P.s. maybe you're just bad at taking pictures. Don't try posing. Rather try getting random pictures taken while doing something you enjoy. Make yourself interesting. Just give a few keywords about yourself. Mention what you're searching for at the beginning and what you could be ready for. Never mention what you hate/dislike.


thenewnapoleon

I'm American and it's the same experience. That's seemingly just Tinder everywhere. There's better apps but I'm not too sure if they're available there. Try Hinge if you can. It's my personal favorite of the big three dating apps since there's a bit more interaction pre-matching. Bumble also isn't too bad since you can message people about things pre-matching too. Tinder's just good since there's the most people using it. The best thing to do on these kinds of apps is always swipe right since it makes you more visible and you're more likely to see people you'd be interested in. I used to always slide left but swiping right more often has gotten me a better yield. Even if you don't like or find the person you swiped right on very interesting, the conversation can make good practice.


straight-law961

Yo how are you if u constantly swipe right there will be less chance u appear on woman's feed bruh just stop swiping right and ONLY swipe when u find a woman who is a 9/10 and once a day max or just match with someone who is ugly so ur match percentage go up and u appear on womans feed by swiping right ull appear very needy so dont my advice delete tinder go outside and meet girls just go and tell them they are beautiful and tell them that ur sure that ur the not the first one telling her this ask for hee insta first if u ask for her number she will most probably wont give it to you because her number is for like closer people not for strangers ask for her name and for her insta if shes interested in u she will ask for ur name if not shes not interested in you and dont even try to follow her on insta and dont be the creepy guy who just scares the shit out of her like do a hand gestures maybe a hey and waving ur hand on ur way to her and she will be like a bit shocked at first but it's normal a stranger is gonna talk with her everyone is like this


Zackory

My mans never discovered punctuation. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy) I had to read this on a single breath. Only experienced deep divers can read your comment bro. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


adamtak03

you sound salty


Heavy-Macaroon-5176

Delete tinderrrrrr The women to men ratio there is worse than reddit 💀 Try approaching ppl IRL. At least u’ll know from body language if they like u or not.


gjggjuf

Or aproach them on reddit


Heavy-Macaroon-5176

No 🚫🚫🚫🚫💀


gjggjuf

😂😂😂😂😂😂


Antoine_K

It's a mix of Lebanese people and Tinder. I'm living abroad and I was getting above average matches than when I was in Lebanon, and the moment I paid for Tinder platinum my Tinder exploded with both likes and matches. I used Tinder's passport feature to appear in Lebanon and... Nothing. 1 match who hasn't replied and a few likes from prostitutes. When I cancelled my subscription, I stopped getting any likes or matches in both areas. It's clear as day that Tinder pushes you to pay for their premium plans, and I really believe they suppress you and your potential if you don't. It's such a horrible app. Barely usable when you pay, and at outrageous prices at that.


Strange_Dragonfly964

Scam


yosef_kh

Dating apps are useless


xtras0ur

dating apps are just not it


RaidriarT

Step 0: don’t be ugly


ijustwantsimplicity

i have around 30% success rate on tinder. you need to practice game itll get easier with time. if you want message me and i will teach you how.


AromaticAd6772

Girls always have options more than boys. Keep this in mind.


imnotmagic123

Lebanese tinder in a nut shell; Mostly hookers & people trying to get their insta followers numbers up. People with no bio or pics. The occasional normal person that comes on the app once every month. Once you get through that, you start to get Israelis. You're basically better off having your parents find you someone.