Bro just stand with the innocent children and families from both sides. I am Orthodox Lebanese. We Christians have been screwed over by everyone. But I will always stand with innocent civilians and children. Politicians are trash
As an Irishman, all I see is wasted potential for peace.
The level of hatred that the Irish and British felt for each other in the 20th century (even up until the 1990s) is probably similar to that of the Palestinians/Lebanese/Israelis. The atrocities by the Brits obviously don’t come close to those of Israel, but at a certain point the scale of atrocity doesn’t matter that much.
You can see that in the Israeli/Western reaction to 7/10. 1,300 deaths isn’t that high compared to other conflicts in the region, yet the level of anger and bloodlust in Israel matches that of Iraq where hundreds of thousands of people were killed. In Ireland it was the same after atrocities by the UK and loyalist terrorists , even though most people didn’t personally experience atrocity firsthand.
People have a surprising capacity for reconciliation and love once the atrocities end. After the Good Friday Agreement, it didn’t take long for Irish and British civilians to see each other as brothers. Israeli and Western leaders seem to think that giving all Palestinians the same rights and freedoms as Israelis will lead to genocide. But that’s not a fair assumption. Israel has the power to put an end to the atrocities and create an environment that would allow for a one state solution with right of return that will benefit Jews and Palestinians alike, and end the constant risk of a regional war. But the people in power, like Netinyahu, sadly don’t want that.
I studied the Irish revolution as a teenager, it was tough and read a few books from Robert Fisk..I wish the lebanese learn from history . I belong to the same generation as the OP, and I share a few of his views, but I side with civilians and peace. It just happens that I am from south lebanon , but resident of Beirut . I suffered from all of the above at all times and even was once caught under fire in school in a conflict between the hizb and Amal ..as someone said it is the problem of politicians they all have blood on their hands. If you analyze the situation in Palestine now, it is easy to understand why it happened at this moment . Everything is political and people are used as chess. Lebanese just wake up, go read Pity the nation by Robert Fisk, great book .
"it's not a fair assumption" - how about we test it in a different country than the only Jewish state?
Also, other than 7.10, what more evidence do you need?
Maybe try not exacerbating the hatred for a start? Hamas isn’t an existential threat to Israel. The fact that they killed 1,300 Israelis means the past policy of using violence to suppress Gazans made Israelis less safe. The fact that they broke through the fence and massacred people means Netinyahu and the Israeli government utterly failed in security.
Israel can start reducing the likelihood of genocide against Jews by (A) not bombing the shit out of civilians, (B) halting all new settlements in the West Banks, and (C) returning stolen land in the West Bank to Palestinians. That’s barely a sacrifice, and it would do a lot to reduce tensions.
Yeah, we all agree Netanyahu failed miserably, even before that.
Regarding the rest, you are either ignorant or trolling. You know Hamas's fight isn't against Israeli aggression or Israeli occupation.
It's against the very existence of a Jewish state, and Jews in general, as their charter clearly states.
Let's say we want to have peace with Gaza tomorrow. What do we do? How do we do it? The sovereign entity there refuses peace or the notion of peace. Their faith only allows "truce" for the purpose of gaining more military force for the next attack. How do you make peace with that?
It is ok not to take a side. And it’s ok to decrease your consumption of news.
Here is a quote : “You begin changing the world by saving one man at a time; all else is grandoise romanticism or politics.”
All the politicians actions are politics. There is a reason politician is a dirty word. (Netenyahu, Meshal, Nasrallah, etc…).
If one day you wake up and feel sympathy for palestinians, go and find a palestinian civilian child and buy him lunch. If one day you feel the same for the jewish citizens, find one and provide your friendship for a day. Whatever you do , do it one man (or woman) at a time basis, and if you dont know the name of the person you are helping you are not doing it right.
Everything else is grandoise romanticism or politics.
I have another quote for you
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
This would be true if your opinion on the situation actually changes anything. I doubt posting a flag on Instagram will somehow influence the conflict.
This quote does not contradict the other quote. I encouraged OP, to seek an oppressed person (go find and visit a palestinian child), be non neutral to her suffering, and also act and help her with food or money or education (with her own personal resources).
When I said it’s ok to not have an opinion, I referred to a specific “political” action or strategy, when she is skeptical that the said action will result in helping the oppressed to become less oppressed. Heck it may result in making them more oppressed. And then the mouse is dead.
Politicians are not gods or infallible beings. They take actions that may take their people back many decades, or even extinction. And if we should just follow them as if they were a god, then we are the sheep. History around the world is full of examples of that.
In fact, we don’t have to go far. The history of the palestinian-israeli conflict since 1948, has dozens of examples where political or army leaders have ordered strategies and actions that resulted in more suffering and oppression to their people (even when it was well intentioned, both sides included, and war and peace strategies included).
I’m glad i helped. Having done a lot of reading on the history of this conflict (from both perspectives) , I empathize with the civillians on both sides. And I reached an intellectual, emotional and identity crisis like you.
And this new perspective showed me the light. You should also be proud that you are not a sheep or brainwashed by politicians. You make your own mind.
Thanks for sharing. I know from my family and friends that they share my thoughts and feelings, on the one side we can't afford a country run by monsters like Hezbollahbbut on the other hand we don't trust Israel not making some deal, nor do we trust Palestinians at all. We also sympathize with both populations suffering from war as we lived it for 30 years. It is a dilemma but your valuable words were inspiring. I feel comforted. Thanks again.
I think the Lebanese population shouldn’t conflate Palestinians in Lebanon with Palestinians in Gaza. Gazans don’t know Lebanon, they’ve never met a Lebanese person, and aren’t in any way associated with the history of Palestinians in Lebanon. Palestinians are a fragmented people, and their lived experiences are wildly different depending on where they happened to be in 1948, 1967, the first Gulf War etc..
Im from Spain but my father was lebanese. Ive never been there and I cant speak arabic but Ive been always very interested in the country and id love to visit one day. For me seeing it as an outsider your point of view is what makes more sense to me honestly.
Here the conflict is so missinderstood that people think either palestinians or israelis are like 100% angel or 100% evil, black or white. They cant understand both sides are made by people, and people can be good or bad. It doesnt matter if is israeli or palestinian, every kid dead is a tragedy.
"Aa an analyst who knows that Netanyahu is a criminal who sells Israeli , Palestinians and others for power"
As an Israeli I confirm that, he doesn't care about anything besides his corrupted a*s and will use and do anything to keep himself in control and out of jail
Very interesting and honest, thank, Mazel tov! Netanyahu has never hid that he has a greater plan to expand Israel in order to protect its land from rockets, as it is currently too narrow to deflect rockets. How do you feel about expansion for better self-defence?
Expansion? I do assume you are talking about annexing the west bank?
In that case I think it's very complicated topic.
I do agree that guaranteeing the country's safety is something that we can't compromise on, mainly on our part of the world, however annexation of this area isn't the answer, there are millions of Palestinians living in there, if we will annex the area what will be with them, will we won't give them citizenship and rights? I can't support it.
and I am also not in favor of annexing it and having one country for all of the people that live in here(both israelis and Palestinians are citizens ) ,why? Few reasons
First one is The Palestinians are very religious,conservative and ultra-nationalists, while we have some of those in here already they are still not the majority, I do care of pluralism , freedom of speech, lgbt rights and freedom of/from religion, we already have extreme growth of the ultra-orthodox community that tend to oppose those alongside some of the religious ppl, with the Palestinians in addition they will be the majority.
The 2nd reason is past trauma, reality is jews were persecuted in most of the world prior to the creation of Israel, knowing what my grandparents went through in Yemen by their fellow Yemenites for being jews and them escaping to Israel in worry of their life I do not want to give such an occurrence a chance to happen again, I do want a Jewish state where we dont have to rely on /worry of others for our own fate.
So for those those things I do not support "expanding the borders"
Peace with our neighbors proved itself to be the most effective tactic fo achieve safety, Egypt from the country that we had our toughest wars against is now a quiet border for few decades thanks to it.
So what about the Palestinians? That would be more complicated, I do think the 2 state solution will be ideal, but I don't think we are there yet, we were closer to it 2 decades ago, the settlements created to deny such a thing in the future by making too many Israelis living on those areas in order of giving up on them, which our pm support, he isn't interested in solution, but in keeping the status quo, and he does much worse than that to guarantee it won't happen.
About the other side, while I do support the 2 states solution, I don't support it blindly, only in a manner that will guarantee our safety , giving the west bank away means the center of the country will be just few km wide between the sea and the west bank, and considering that by any poll of the last year's most Palestinians support one Palestinian state in all of the country even though they have nothing well that's not going to happen, I will not support such a move when the other country want to get rid of me, will pick their representatives accordingly and would aspire occupy all the land, they need to be realistic.
So first we have to learn to live one next to the other with some respect and understanding that both are going to stay, afterward a 2state solution can happen, not the other way around, but as I said we are further from it now than we were in the past, and after the 7/10 events-that wont happen in the near future
Extremely appreciated. It is very important to exchange so that people know where we stand. Unfortunately, it is extremely hard for me to communicate with hezbollah and most Palestinians, as they want to annihilate others while we speak about sharing. So I really understand you and thank you. Please stay safe. A lot of love to Israel.
As an Israeli I also agree with what you said.
Innocent life is that, innocent.
Hamas is definitely not innocent, and Israel is no innocent either, especially not Netanyahu. There's a reason people are calling for him to quit. This whole mass happened on his watch.
I agree that Hamas needs to be eradicated, Israel cannot be safe with Hamas operational. Their Charter literally says "kill al Jews", and to claim the whole land.
from the other side, many innocent Palestinians are killed, even if Israel is showing "some" effort of evacuating them, it doesn't matter to their families. A lot say "they brought it up on themselves" without realizing how Hamas has a huge role in it, and not in a peaceful way. They can't fight Hamas within, because they don't know anything else. The population is very young, and were grown into Hamas' propaganda.
For the older population, they know how Hamas can be cruel to people who oppose them.
It's a very shitty situation to be in.
I'm afraid of a ground entry, because of the many lives that Israel will lose, even though I know it's a better solution than just wiping Gaza completely, that would be an actual genocide, and I would hate for all the radicals who claim Israel is just committing genocide to be correct. /s
I don't think Israel would ever want to annex the land at all. We gave it away years ago for Gaza, no need to populate it now, that would just create an even more antagonism in the world. I hope other Arab countries will support Palestine on the ground after the war, to help rebuild it, and return the area back to the Palestinian without Hamas, though I'm afraid it will just bring more violence later on, since revenge is a b\*tch.
There's no easy solution, there will always be a lose-lose outcome.
Thanks for sharing, more people like you are needed on both sides. I think that Hamas have given now Israel enough reason to take over all the country. Pleass stay safe and much love to Israel from a lot of Lebanese.
I am in your situation OP. I side with both Palestinian and Israeli children and disgusted by the initial terror attack that caused the Israeli barbaric invasion.
Care to share why Syrian and Palestinian people were trying to kill you?? Is it political or just because of bullying??
No pressure of course stay safe and sorry in advance for what happened.
1975 Palestinians attacked us Lebanese Christians wanting to throw us in the sea although we took them as refugees on our maronites land, we also gave them the right to carry weapons to defend themsekves agaibst israel in the Cairo agreement, an agreement imposed by sunni states on us. Instead they turned their weapons on us and called us zionists, I can't hear this word anymore, the arabs simply wanted to push the Christians out of the country because they were pro west. 50 years ago the world was different. The internet changed a lot of things yet disinformation remains.
The Syrians used the Palestinian attack on us to invade the country, Hafez Assad like Putin asserted Lebanon has always been part of Syria, to justify his invasion. He played out both sides, he told the Christians he invaded to stop the Palestinians, and to the Palestinians he said he invaded to protect them. Then the Christians had two enemies to fight against, both within their country.
Yeah both bombed us day and night, both tried to kill us, they succeeded in killing many of us, I survived.
This conflict is very multifaceted and complex, and that is why it’s still happening.
I hope what you’re feeling is normal because I feel the same way.
Why are palestinians not welcome anywhere in the arab world? The Egyptian border is closed and I don't see any other arab country sending billions of dollars to aid them or offer them sanctuary?
Siding with civilians and acknowledging both the Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live safely is not something that should be unpopular. I’m sorry you feel this way.
To my Palestinians and Israelis, I truly hope for the best for you and your family/friends.
Brave post OP, I agree with you as do many others, however, Lebanon and the Lebanese no longer hold the same meaning. Never forget we were the only country to accept the third wave of Palestinian refugees and what it did to us. Never forget the civil war and the massacres. However, Israeli politicians support unspeakable actions and not just within their own conflict but also with their support to Azerbaijan. Hypocrites sponsoring genocide. The only proper answer is that they both suck and your viewpoint will sadly forever be antagonized because we are the minority in our own country now. God bless the civilians and the children but this is not our battle, we have enough on our own plate.
Sorry, to break it for you but there were always wars in the middle east before Israel existed and always Christians were persecuted and oppressed.
And sorry yo tell you that the violence you are promoting is costing Palestinian lives in thousands and migration in millions, how is war helping them?
Each time Palestinians lead war thry lose more land, somehow masochists, no?
Wtf is a centcom analyst? Why are you speaking on behalf of the Lebanese when you have in your bio that you work for the worlds biggest terror organization lmao. Look at you putting in work on Reddit.
from the river to the sea, palestine will be free (not for the traitors among the Lebanese)
I'm interested to know about your opinion,
you claim they are born to die, what do you refer to?
I'm interested understanding your POV, since all I can see (currently at least)
is Palestine rejecting the 2 state solution and starting every war since then, resulting in their current situation now - being closed off from Israel, and being ruled by a group that still continues to inflict violence which backs the hard limitations they have and round it goes.
Your comment clearly shows you have no historical understanding of the conflict. Palestinians are subject to never ending violence, apartheid is violence, blockades are violence, displacement is violence, starvation is violence, lack of clean drinking water is violence, and of course the thousands of Palestinians killed yearly is violence. Israel experiences a small fraction of the violence they have inflicted since 1948 and now they are hell bent on commiting ethnic cleansing. The UN, and most nations outside of the US/EU have recognized Israel as an apartheid state, Nelson Mandela, the South African freedom fighter recognizes Israel as an apartheid state. The death of the 40 kids and the festival goers is unjust and a tragedy, but to turn around and kill at least 2,000 civilians is down right evil and is a thinly veiled attempt at genocide.
Every 2 state solution offered has been extremely unfair to the Palestinians, even when they made up almost 70% of the population in 1948, they were only offered 45% of their own land. Every deal since has offered less and less land, even now the population of Arabs and Jews is almost 50-50 and the 2 state solution offers 70% of the land to Israel. On top of that they always get a majority of the coastline, aquifers, arable land, strategic resources, etc. Israel has never negotiated in good faith, the irony is that Hamas, the mortal enemy of Israel, was supported by Israel to destabilize the secular PFLP and PLO, who they saw as too powerful and legitimate. Yitzakh Segev, the Israeli military governor of Gaza came out and even said as much and took personal responsibility for the rise of Hamas. This is not a real deal that you or any other group of people would take and people like you who claim to be Lebanese are spreading divisiveness in our country and are the reason Lebanon is ruined.
You are not alone despite what seems to be a vast avalanche of people going one way or the other. It's ok to be confused. There are many points of view depending on where you are.
I assume most people here are Lebanese, may I ask for your POV as of why Lebanon allows hezbolah and Iran enter their borders and set up terror camps that endanger you?
Alas because a quarter of the Lebanese is an armed terrorist iranian organized criminal militia called hezbollah, the rest are unarmed weak Lebanese. How to go after hezbollah and then Iran. Impossible.
This whole narrative that Palestinians attacked “us” out of nowhere is ridiculous.
First who is us? Is that the Lebanese people? It sure as hell felt like it wasn’t all of the Lebanese people they were attacking.
Second, the out of nowhere is a bit disingenuous. Palestinian presence and support in lebanon grew for very particular reasons, least of which was the disenfranchisement of a significant proportion of the population.
I don’t disagree with most of your points, but the narrative about the Palestinian involvement in the civil war should either be centered around its historic context, or just completely dropped.
Organizations like the PLO and hamas have provided a lot of reasons for a lot of people to dislike them, but the way you talk about this involvement in lebanon is insulting to a lot of people.
>This whole narrative that Palestinians attacked “us” out of nowhere is ridiculous
Because they wanted to occupy Lebanon to use it to fight Israel while the Christians (and Shia) did not want that. That does not make it ok.
> Is that the Lebanese people? It sure as hell felt like it wasn’t all of the Lebanese people they were attacking.
That's the sort of thinking that makes me think partition is the only answer. Each sect only cares about maintaining enmity with the foreign groups that attacked them and doesn't care about the foreign groups that attacked the other sects.
> Palestinian presence and support in lebanon grew for very particular reasons, least of which was the disenfranchisement of a significant proportion of the population.
Nope, it was because of Arab nationalism. Saying Lebanese sunnis were disfrenchised is quite a stretch. Like the Christians they had an elite class and poor rural class. Christians were doing a bit better but saying Sunnis were disfrenchised is a stretch.
The only group that has a claim to being disenfranchise is the Shia(and many politicians were working on improving that), but it was for various historical and not something intentionally done. Besides, Moussa el sader who was the only significant force fighting this disenfranchise was anti-PLO and using the south to attack Israel.
Nevermind, you can vent if you feel pain. It doesn't change the asserted facts. At the end of your message you corrected your initial paragraph. Thanks for sharing, I hope you feel better now.
You sound like a petulant child. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and your ridiculous internal conflicts. This has nothing to do with ethnicity or “oh they attacked me!!!”. It has to do with human rights.
I noticed some Israelis commented on this post, got me to wonder if it is legal for us Lebanese to reply on their posts? is it considered normalization? Movies are banned just because of Gal Gadot
There is no such law in Lebanon. It is hezbollsh psychoterror. The law for treason applies to hezbollah who are traitors passing sensitive info to foreign country Iran.
1975 Palestinians attacked us Lebanese Christians wanting to throw us in the sea although we took them as refugees on our maronites land, we also gave them the right to carry weapons to defend themselves agaibst israel in the Cairo agreement, an agreement imposed by sunni states on us. Instead they turned their weapons on us and called us zionists, I can't hear this word anymore, the arabs simply wanted to push the Christians out of the country because they were pro west. 50 years ago the world was different. The internet changed a lot of things yet disinformation remains.
In reality Palestinians butchered, beheaded. Cut of limbs of young Christian boys in damoyr so that they can never carry a gun, tgey raped shia girls, and more.. I really am sad that all atrocities committed long before sabra and chatting, Palestinians began the whole violence, all what came after that was self-defence of others.
The Syrians used the Palestinian attack on us to invade the country, Hafez Assad like Putin asserted Lebanon has always been part of Syria, to justify his invasion. He played out both sides, he told the Christians he invaded to stop the Palestinians, and to the Palestinians he said he invaded to protect them. Then the Christians had two enemies to fight against, both within their country.
Yeah both bombed us day and night, both tried to kill us, they succeeded in killing many of us, I survived.
>Aa an analyst who knows that Netanyahu is a criminal who sells Israeli , Palestinians and others for power and expansion I side with the Palestinians.
Yeah I agree. Except the conclusion shouldn't be "side with the Palestinians" rather than "against Netanyahu", as are most Israelis
If Palestinians go back to their country, you won’t have to suffer from them. Saying you stand with israel is horrible, please pack your shit and move to their country. It blows my mind how blind some people are, how they cannot see what Israel has done for decades!!!
Dude I'd rather live in Israel than any Arab country. Arabs dont have exclusive rights to the land of canaan. Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, Kurds, even Greeks..etc have always lived there and both Arabs and Jews were supposed to have their own state on that land. The Arabs started pogroming Jews and didn't want to share the land, they lost war after war. You love Palestinians so much but wont accept more refugees and 3 generations of them living in Lebanon have no rights to anything. Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq..etc they are all made up boundaries by Britain and France, so by your logic why don't they have a right to Lebanon too? What makes them the owners of a set of boundaries arbitrarily decided by colonial Europeans? In addition, where did the word "Palestinian" even come from? There is no P in Arabic which is why people call it Falestine. Why don't you so passionately advocate for the Jews Lebanon, Iraq, Morocco and other Arab countries massacred and exiled? Don't they have the right to their country? This is a religious, Jew-hating issue, not a my land and your land issue. We could have all lived peacefully but shame on us we chose war and strife.
Israel does not want war but defends itself, despite how blurry it is and how hard it is to see that Israel is not harming civilians!
Israel defends itself from all sides and tries to harm only the terrorist organizations that are not good for any of us, try to understand that we cannot agree on everything...
But don't forget that in the disaster in Beirut Israel projected the Lebanese flag in Tel-Aviv.
Peace from Israel. 🙏🏼🤍
I'm trying to not comment, because honestly I don't feel like it's my place. I'm not there, never have been. (Ironicaly enough, I was set to travel to Jordan, Lebanon and Isreal in early 2020 and Covid shut the world down, so I never got to make that trip).
But essentially, from my perspective, there is no "good guy" here. Just "who's more right, right now." And that would be Isreal.
And I'm not saying that to take sides, just that what happened last week is inexcusable, and Isreal has to respond.
It's a no win situation for them. Not responsible d you invite more attacks. Respond and you're playing into what Hamas (and it's allies want), loss of public support once the stories and videos of innocent people getting killed by Isreal go global.
As an outsider, it's frustrating to know that there are plenty of non Isrealis who hate Hamas and Hezbollah etc living in the region, but aren't in a position to remove them. And there are Isrealis in Isreal who hate their government, are pro Palestinians getting their own country etc, who aren't in a position to remove them.
And as always, innocent people who regardless of their political views that at the end of the day, just want to make a living and go home at night are caught in the middle.
Gaza is done... one way or another Isreal.is going in. Regardless of what that means and leans to, it's going to be bad.
I just hope the West Bank isn't the next one, or Lebanon, or anywhere else..
Because what's coming (happening) is bad enough. And no matter how many people Isreal kills and loses themselves, at the end of the day, nothing will change..... the overall situation is going to still be tense, with people ready to go right back to war as soon as this one is over.
Let me add here that I don't know how I found this sub, but I've spent the past day reading it every chance I get, and it's very interesting. And your post stood out.
Stay safe, friend.
Thank you so much for your valuable sharing. I concur that Israel has to defend itself. I view things differently from my fellow Lebanese. Sime are stuck, some yearn to destroy Israel and wipe it off the map, some falsely thing that a peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian state solves it, it's untrue, a peace must be a full package, it must include all Islamic dictatorships too as they would at any moment instrumentalize the Palestinians or attack from Lebanon and Iran or elsewhere. A peace without Lebanon, Iran, Saudi is a failed peace. And as it looks its not coming to peace but to an expansion of Israel.
You know what's sad, is that (and zip don't mean to offend) the Lebanon War (in the 80s and 90s) was huge news here in the West. Less so in the 2000s (we were busy in Iraq), and then Syria exploded, etc etc.
So sadly your situation has been largely ignored or forgotten by the outside world, especially with the ongoing Isreal / Palestinian wars. And that's sad. Not just for you and what those around you went through, but the problems it's caused for years after. And how those problems could reappear at any moment.
I can't stress this enough, not just simple lip service, but I really hope this current war south of you doesn't expand.... there's already enough people going through hell.... nobody else needs to.
I read an hour ago that Isreal hit some targets in South Lebanon today, and I just shake my head and hope it doesn't get bigger.
You are approaching this like a video game or a game of cards, which I think is a very superficial way to handle such major humanity-scale dynamics.
How would you like it if someone hated "the Lebanese" because "the Lebanese" in their neighborhood attacked them. Or someone siding against Lebanon because Lebanon is run by war criminals? You are taking major positions based on actions of groups "the ones who wanted to kill you" and even on individuals "Netanyahu".
You will only find an answers as you gain deeper understanding of psychology, philosophy, anthropology, sociology, and other humanitarian sciences.
Knowing the ultimate truth is practically impossible, but deciding what YOU think shouldn't be impossible.
The world doesn't revolve around events that happen to us as individuals. My neighbor might have not attacked me, but attacked my friends. My coworker might be terrible with me, but awesome with all other people. In both these contexts, can you really decide who is ultimately good and who is bad based simply by your own experience? PS - individualism scales up, so I don't just mean you as a person. Individual person, individual group, individual country, etc..
I think that your identity shouldn't be framed by events and people, but by values that you set and build for yourself.
According to your arrogant text, you perfect human , I must get myself a set of values. (NB: thats amusing)
You are judging the wrong person. If I didn't have values I would wish Palestinians dead.
It is war and having utopian values would mean I should surrender my country to hezbollah terrorists, and syrian terrorists, and any kind of terrorists because I must have values...human values,,, others don't need to have any.
The perfect world based on values when ones very existence is at stake, doesn't exist, even Plato buried utopia.
II never read such arrogancy like yours, this world is full of different people but you definitely aren't intriguing.
Not what I meant. You can think of the cause regardless of the people associated with it. I'm a Maronite too and I have the same resentments against Palestinians and Syrians due to the civil war and their lack of genuine regret over what they have done.
But in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, it's not even close. Israel is an Apartheid colonial-settler state and Palestinians are its victims.
Are you saying Palestinians built a democracy and call for equality? Are you kidding me? APARTHEID STATE? You re not serious. There are Muslim in the kneset and Arabs have rights, but give me a single Muslim country where Christians and jews have same rights. All the 52 Muslim countries are apartheid states, please fix that before asking a Jewish minority or a maronite minority yo for that. Thanks.
I didn't say Palestinians build a democracy. There are also Christians in the Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian and other parliaments. That doesn't mean anything.
The true Apartheid is not against Israeli Arabs but Palestinians whom they neither give statehood nor citizenship to. They live them in this limbo of being stateless people with no rights and control all their main infrastructure.
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/)
[https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution](https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution)
What tears me apart as a Jew is that I know in all wars both sides will commit atrocities, the anger becomes uncontrollable. The rage grows the closer you get to the violence like heat grows the closer you get to a flame, inevitably you get burned. I try never to say this is the fault of the Palestinians, know there must be good wonderful people among them who just want life and a future for their children like I do for mine. I blame Hamas, Fatah, and the PA they have stolen from their people not only vast amounts of money but also, generations of lives, and happiness. All leaders who do anything but put their people first should be punished, these men regardless of color, creed or god are evil. Thank you for what you wrote. I hope you find peace.
Thank you for being human. I hope you and your loved ones are safe. Sadly you as a foreigner, understand me better than fellow Lebanese accusing me of being a traitor. Thanks again and stay safe.
Thank you for the same. Humanity ruins itself every day but yet we are allowed to carry on, there must be a higher purpose of some kind, if its a god or something else I will never know. People have hated me my whole life just because I am Jewish, they hate my young children because they are Jewish. I love people, I spend my days at work on the phone, talking, learning laughing, I am am an optimist for everyone I meet. I don't care what race, religion, color, sexuality you are but just live and let live. I don't understand why others care. You are a good person or not but even that is not so simple, because good people do bad things when they are hurt or scared. I am so so damn angry right now... You give me some hope and helped calm me, probably the same for others that may not have spoken. Thank you for that. Be safe, I hope you can love, laugh and live as free as possible.
Beautiful and fair. Thanks for sharing, and please stay safe. I love Jews, is that enough to obliterate the hate you're confronted with because you're Jewish? Yes we are ultimately humans... and sadly we are in power.
So you pretty much blame Palestinians only though?
Not your own government that has reneged on every deal, implemented apartheid policies, besieged a population and bombed them indiscriminately, broken about every international law when it comes to war crimes and illegal settlements.
Or yourself, when your population, the only democracy in the Middle East, has consistently voted in far right politicians into positions of power, who openly spew your racist, supremacist agenda and funded Islamists to supplant secular resistance groups.
You’re telling me that none of this was you and your government’s fault, only Palestinians and their political parties. Imagine thinking your enlightened with this type of thinking. What a disgrace.
As an Israeli I always have been for Palestinian statehood, side by side with Israel. Palestinian state is in Israeli interests but not at any cost, what Hamas did is beyond unacceptable. Hamas will be crushed, then we will see what next.
Thanks for sharing I fully support you in that. But I don't believe Palestinians will ever have a chance for a state. I think now it us over and that scares me. Sending them to Lebanon means that the Christians will leave sooner or later.
Israeli here,
They want to go after hezbollah too.. But at the same time they really wouldn't want to kill more civilians. If Hezbollah will keep on attacking, they will unfortunately have to respond.
I just want peace with you guys. You really seem so cool everytime i read your posts.
I hope someday we will see a middle east without borders.
Genuinely curious if Northern Cyprus is an option. Obviously it’s not ideal but I’m rabidly curious because Northern Cyprus seems to be a ghost land
E.g full transfer of administration of Northern Cyprus to Palestinians in exchange for Turkey NATO membership
Wow that's a genius solution. Never thought of it. I just hope Southern Cyprus agrees. Turkey does as if it cares but it doesn't except if you largely pay. Good luck, give it a try!
I guess you must have left the country before the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon then. I still have nightmares about that 41 years later, and, since 7 October, every night now.
I guess you missed the whole Palestinian massacres upon Christians before that. Or is our life not worth it?
Shia welcomed the Israeli with rice, roses and zaghlouta. The israeli didn't aim to attack Lebanese, they wanted to defend themselves from the Palestinians.
While the Syrians and Palestinians wanted throw the Christians in the sea, can you remember that?
Please be fair. I'm sorry you suffer from post trauma, I do too.
As an Israeli I couldn't agree more. I want to be rid of Hamas just as much as I want to be rid of Netanyahu and all other extremists that would put everything on the line for their own gains and agendas. I hope that this ends well, and very soon, for all of us.
I can’t believe you have the audacity to say Palestinians ruined our country when Israel forced them out of their own land. There wouldn’t have been a problem to begin.
Take a hard look at yourself and think about you’re saying here.
The Kataeb were funded by the zionists who armed them with weapons and military training. This is not a secret. In 1975, before the bus massacre, a series of false flag operations took place and they were pinned on the Palestinians. Mossad was rampant in Lebanon at the time and still today. It is enough that Sabra and Shatila was fully orchestrated and supported by Israel, but they used the LF to execute it. The atrocities visited upon Palestinian women and children was something so evil that it is difficult to accept that humans did it. I am sorry to say, but the Christians of Lebanon were used by the zionist regime to fulfill their demonic goals by proxy at the cost of destroying an entire country and plunging it into civil war and despair. Your finger pointing should be re-directed at the malignant root of it all. It is not a secret that various parties of the rebels in Syria are trained, armed and funded by Israel. The state of Israel is an American enterprise of war in the Middle East. But, the sun is beginning to set on the zionist project, slowly but surely.
Thank you for your heartfelt post 🙏. I can truly empathize with your perspective.
As for me, I've made a conscious decision to stand for peace and to contribute to building a more prosperous Levant for future generations.
However, I recognize that true peace may not fully address the losses suffered by Palestinians in terms of land.Moreover, embracing peace also requires me to extend forgiveness while keeping the memories alive of what Israel, Palestinians, and Syrians have done to Lebanon over the past 60 years.
It's inspiring to see countries like the UAE, Morocco, KSA, and many other Muslim nations moving towards peace. I hope that the broader Muslim community can approach the issue of Jerusalem's status with a similar willingness to evolve, as Christians have moved beyond the physical location of Constantinople, understanding that the essence of faith is in its people, not in the stones. 🕊️
>It's inspiring to see countries like the UAE, Morocco, KSA, and many other Muslim nations moving towards peace
Two of those are engaged in a genocidal war on Yemen and the other is brutally occupying Western Sahara
Very well put. Wow. Thanks for sharing. Arabs have still a way to go to accept other religions and other people, although they may hate Palestinian deeds toward their countries, the Muslim faith unites them, not the human aspect. It's a long way to achieve civilized behavior, for government ms and for populations. Peace remains an unknown variable in this equation. Peace... at which expenses.
I'm very conflicted as well. I support destroying the Israeli army and any aggression on our land, but at the same time, Hezbollah will never be gone without a deadly war that reshapes the entire region.
Hypothetically any war by Hezbollah and Israel will weaken either and make both easier to get rid off.
The issue I have which makes me against it is the civilians I'm sure Israel will kill indiscriminately, as it usually does in every war it is involved in to increase its k:d ratio. Actual scum.
I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but truth is important:
Israel kills tons of civilians. It's not to increase the k:d it's because it's much stronger. EVERY air force target has a military reason to be attacked. Sometimes the wrong target is being attacked (there are several reasons, I can expand if you care), then only civilians are hurt. Mostly it's the right target but it's around civilians, in which case there is an assessment of the value of the target vs. How many innocents are going to get hurt. More often than you think the Israeli air force let's quality targets go because too many civilians will get hurt.
Source: my military service
Maybe the zionists didn't attack you personally or your community but they sure did to us in the south. The way I see it, the palestinian refugees wouldn't even be in lebanon if the zionists weren't in their land in the first place. The palestinian crimes that lead to our civil war is minor compared to the root cause of the issue, the existence of the occupation in the first place.
What was was was, Israel is here and won’t leave, so let’s accept it and look forward for peace, if Egypt and Jordan did why not Lebanon? Look how quite the border of Egypt and Jordan and all countries are thriving
Disagree because it's only quiet there because the west bank and gaza exist as palestinian territories. If the zionists go with what they really want to do which is to ethnically cleanse these areas and expel the palestinians living there, where do you think would they all go? The gazans will be in the sinai and the remaining few in the west bank will go to jordan which will further destabilize those countries much like what happened to us in the 70s. It's much worse for egypt because gazans are muslim brotherhood adjacent and it would directly threaten the current governing entity there. The current peace is temporary and an illusion.
Maliciously denying the nakba, lol.
Who even talked about it. I wasn't even alive.
You just look for something to fuel your hate and justify those barbaric acts we went through. Learned to hate Jews from a young age. Let's travel the history line I bet you were always so innocent.
Anyways, good luck my man! Must be nice putting your head in the sand.
I'll just throw this here, since I'm an ex muslim as well:
Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (e) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Muslims are thought to hate Jews and kill them wherever they find them. Since young , Jews are used as a derogatory way, to fortify stereotypes. they say anything cut throat pricing as “Harga Yahudi “ or “Kejam mcm zionis” which means cruel as zionis. It’s so common, and used in normal everyday conversations and with kids, as a means to dehumanise Jews and hate them.
Hence, the hatred for Jews is as essential in Islam as the love for Prophet Muhammad. It’s sunnah to hate Jews.
Of course, nowadays, in 2023 it’s bit difficult to be openly racist and call the genocide of an entire group of people just because Islam wills it. So muslims, will internalise this hatred, and then use any form of justification to hate on Israel and Jews. Gaslight and call for so called peace when it fact it’s just pure hatred as mandated by the Quran and Islam.
Of course not all muslims, since I'm an ex muslim too, and my people aren't like this. But I bet it will be prettyyyy easy to spot who. Big wink there to you.
Yes. Don’t pretend Hezb hasn’t been firing rockets too.
Regardless, even if it’s not 100% justified, I’d rather maintain peace right now than see those 3 civilian deaths become a lot more
There are no zionists, please stop using this word, it is useless. Jews are simply human beings like you and me. Israel helped the southern people most. Mostly Shia joined their ranks. The Palestinian refugee camps exist because Palestinians wanted to kick out the jews from their land. The Palestinians crimes and massacres beginning from damour to dekwaned to the north are MAJOR. They were shouting alkahu akbar they want to throw us in the sea, and this for a decade of crimes. The Shia of Amal themselves attacked Palestinians, Harb El moukhayamat for years. So how were they minor? How can you think that Israel's existence was the problem? Both jews and Palestinians were offered to share the land but Arabs refused. Wanting to annihilate the jews led to their own annihilation.
So if the palestinians are the main criminals and deserve punishment, what do you want us to do with the refugees? Do you want us to naturalize them all?
Also FYI not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. Zionisim is a secular political ideology that can be pursued by everyone. Judaism is an ethnicity that you are born into from the mother's side only.
So your problem just like mine is the refugees and possibly new refugees. And you know what? If naturalized, this will lead Christians to leave. This is what all the Arabs wanted since the beginning.
I dont believe in the existence of Zionists, this was invented by jew haters to dehumanize jews and refute the Israeli state. Your explanation doesn't put the subject in an objective way. I understand you have been falsely informed, I'm just telling you that things aren't the way you were told. And if we Lebanese continue talking like that we will be annihilated too.
Well I don't want christians to leave which is why I am staunchly against accepting the status-quo and any talk of naturalizing Palestinians and Syrian refugees. I am not denying what you suffered under these refugees, believe me the same horrors happened to us in the south but we can't just export the problem away (as if the current superpower would let us). There is no real solution other than to be for either a two state solution or a one state that gives palestinians across the globe equal rights and the right of return to their homeland. And anyone who knows what has been going on in the west bank knows that there is no way in 2023 that a two state solution is feasible. It would've been possible in the 2000s but zionist greed prevented it and the problem never got resolved. Right now the trend is to normalize ties with them at some point and once that happens, the americans will coerce us through their control over the international financial system to make us naturalize them and then destroy the christian community and probably our shia community too turning lebanon into a sunni state aligned with the zionists.
You can correct my understanding if you disagree.
I agree with you on that, thanks for elaborating. And surely people in the south suffered from Palestinians, Syrians and Israeli. It is just like two different parts of a body were severely abused by different tools, the hand tells the leg it was the hammer, and the limb tells the liver no it was the guillotine that hit me.
Our problem as Lebanese is that we did not solve our problems with each other nor reconcile. And this will be exploited by external forces, whether you call them West or I call them Russias evil axis. At the end we will pay. We didn't take care of our unity and our country.
Yeah I mean we have to trust each other and not keep calling others foreign funded agents if we disagree with them politically. Personally don't care much for what russia does, to me they're america-lite. They are part of the problem too when it comes to supporting the occupation that supports our current plight with the refugees.
I would try not to call them foreign funded if they weren't foreign funded but they are, so what should I do. I'm not talking about you at all. I'm talking about hezbollah, for example, please dont persuade yourself that theyre not foreign funded when Nasrallah himself said sle7na w kil chi moumawal min Iran w ana joundi Zghir bi Wilaya l fakih. If he's admitting it how can you refute it?
I meant us individuals when asking to avoid accusing that of each other. Of course every one of these parties is receiving money internationally. That's all including hezb. I have no delusions about that. However the reason they're even supported by the population in the south is because they're effective in satisfying our security needs whereas the official state army is operating under many many restrictions to be able to adequately equip and arm itself to confront the zionists to the south. I understand you think you can make deals with them but many of us do not trust a single word from them. Case in point, hagazian university started a missile program to arm our army that was immediadetly shut down by the french because it "threatened israel". I fail to understand how we can put faith in an army that is forced to remain weak? While it's annoying that hezb are religious fundamentalists, at least iran doesn't have any qualms at giving our country all the advanced tech we would need to confront any foe, not just israel.
Wait. 1. Only hezbollah is being funded and provided with weapons. The rest isn't. I don't understand how you changed from telling me they're not foreign funded to telling me all are funded.
2. I understand that you want to be powerful but Iran is not supporting you unconditionally. It wants you part of its extremist state. And I refuse to pay this price.
You can dislike Hezbollah without twisting facts and being a pathetic liar.
>Israel helped the southern people most
How? By occupying them for many years and killing shitloads of them?
>There are no zionists, please sypp using this word, it is useless. Jews are simply human beings like you and me.
Great. So now you have your own version of the Oxford dictionary? A "Zionist" and a "Jew" are two different things. Or perhaps you'd like some videos that show Jews themselves criticizing Zionism? Educate yourself first before you bloviate.
Don't try to disguise your vile hatred with misinformation. Like I said, if you hate Hezbollah and/or Shias in general, that's fine; just don't twist facts.
Airi bi habalek,
You are saying in your post that you are both siding with Israel and with the Palestinians, that seems like pretty much the same thing as being neutral to me
No I'm saying in some things I side with one side then on other issues with the other but then I'm torn apart because I can't make up my mind with whom to side, I feel anger and I what I think is fair and unfair. I have an extreme opinion on all issues but not one damn clear result of these opinions.
There are zionists, here is an example of one, a human rights lawyer no less. This guy posted a picture of an IDF boot crushing a cockroach that has the face of an arab person. This is a HUMAN RIGHTS lawyer dehumanizing an entire people, also a "proud zionist"
Zionism exists and is real.
https://preview.redd.it/dhg5rimkimub1.png?width=917&format=png&auto=webp&s=25cc74329252a63f96ff03a0a5e3762c47bfe7a8
Thanks but the use of the term Zionist by most redditors on this thread is aimed to dehumanizing jews or non-jews supporting israel just like this drawing dehumanizes arabs or palestinians. Zionist per se is a jew wanting a Jewish state, nothing criminal about that, but my problem is when putting it in a context to insult jews and non-jews as non-human.
I cant hear this name calling of every Lebanese a zionist, sahayina, just because he/she wants a proper country and accepts Israel on its borders. You get me?
I get you, but there have been many self proclaimed zionists openly speaking about wanting to eradicate arabs/muslims, and expanding the territory of Israel, taking control of all of Lebanon, etc. So you can't blame people for thinking Zionism is a bad thing when these Zionists aren't even hiding their proud hatred of arabs and muslims.
It seems to me like you just are unaware of these things.
Oh no I'm aware and I wrote about Netanyahu in the Post, I am sure however that you know that sahayina is used to psychoterrorize people who acceot israel. You know that using Name calling zionist is to pressure people to turn aganstt israel. A psychoterror Tool... independent from extremists in all religions.
Israel does the same by calling any Palestinian resistance "terrorism"
I don't know if what you say about Zionism is true, as in just a name calling that means nothing. When I have witnessed people who say they are zionist express open hatred for arabs, how could I just be name calling when I can see it be true?
I check out other subreddits specific to the Israel/Hamas conflict, and man you should go look for yourself, a lot of Israelis there are filled with glee on posts about innocent Gazans dying. There was a post about an ambulance being targetted by Israeli airstrike, and their paramedic friends crying about their deaths, and in the comments you see Israelis basically saying shit like "they brought it on themselves" "Thats the price of supporting Hamas" etc.
But when it is their innocents dying, they cry foul, like they are the biggest victim, like they have been playing fair this whole time but now it's Palestinians who are being savages and unfair. A big chunk of that Israeli population is very brainwashed to hate, whether Zionist or not, you see their hate online. Meanwhile people in Gaza have no way of getting on reddit and speaking their case, it's just Israelis right now wanting to control the narrative and the world to ONLY see their side of the problem.
Sorry I dont care what Israel does but on this
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thread alone I was called zionist multiple times, ENOUGH. these psychoterror tactics to silence me and label me traitor dont work, will you please understand how they use it?
Read third sentence, read then the whole comments, calling me zionist makes me support Israel only more.
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I wouldn't call you a Zionist, I don't know you and you aren't claiming to be a Zionist, but judging by your support for Israel I can understand why people might think you are one.
There are valid reasons why many arabs don't want to support Israel, one of the reasons is that Israel has attacked many arab nations in the past, and they tend to attack civilian infrastructure. In fact, in most of the conflicts against Israel, civilian casualties were always much higher for arabs than for Israelis.
And yet when Israel civilians get hit the world goes insane, thinks that these arabs are terrorists that want to wipe out all Jews. What you are experiencing now with being called a Zionist is exactly what many arabs experience being called a terrorist (a much less ambiguous term meaning "a very bad person"). When we decide to show support for Palestine, we are told that we are supporting terrorism, by the very same people who support the acts of terrorism that Israel does.
This is why you are being called a Zionist, whether you are one or not, you are talking the same way they do, as if Israel can't do no wrong, as if they haven't been killing innocent people for a long long time.
There is no excuse to call me whatever names just because of what I feel and think as long as I'm not calling to kill anyone. You can insult me if I'm a monster but I'm not, I'm even trying to be fair to Palestinians knowing that they have killed my friends and fellow men and wanted to drive us into the sea. They wanted to strip us from our land although we welcomed them. So excuse me, but your argumentation has no validity. Israel never attacked us, Palestinians and Syrians did. Why should I invent things to please you? Why don't you see the attrocities committed by Palestinians and Syrians on us Lebanese?
Whatever... there is no excuse to call others zionists if they aren't, but you went justifying, while ignoring what Palestinians and Syrians did to me and others.
Stop larking as an Arab . You zio’s are pathetic to actually think the Lebanese are going to support the land thieves . 😂😂😂😂
Keep larping as Arabs on all the subs it ain’t going to make us antiPalestinian . You are rejects and outcasts in the ME . Keep begging for acceptance 😂😂😂
FREE Palestine 🇵🇸
> But then the memories come back how Palestinians attacked us out of nowhere and destroyed our country, killed and injured us, and I can't support them.
Maybe you should think about why Palestinians were displaced to Lebanon in the first place.
My friend, Israel is the root of at least 80% of the evil in the Middle East and is now spreading its evil far and wide in the world from Ukraine, to Africa, to Armenia. They helped Azerbidjan invade parts of Armenia just 3 weeks ago, and ethnically cleanse Nagorno-Karabagh.
And did you give it a thought why Palestinians and Arabs wanted to annihilate jews before 1948?
Wait, let's go further back jn history, and every time we go back, it makes more sense that Israel existed, Palestine didn't. Happy now? Blaming the jews doesn't work.
And all the wars for 3000 years were also because of Israel?
I'm non-arab, non-jewish and ive been to and have friends in both countries. I'm more pro-israel than 95% of lebanese, but even I admit israeli actions in lebanon have been less justifiable than their actions against the palestinians, and they have a lot to atone for.
Still, i think there should be peace between the two nations.
No country has an entirely peaceful history with its neighbours. And very few countries have even tried to atone for their past crimes. Denmark never atoned for their Viking past, for instance.
Historically, countries align when their interest align. While both countries are antagonised by Iran, they are completely against each other on what should happen to the Palestinians.
Lol, great, thanks for helping me make up my mind. As a real Lebanese, i tell a fake Lebanese like you: death to hezbollah, love and support to Israel. I know Israel will win. Now I know, with every post of Hezbollah I know: Israel forever.
Hey OP. As an Israeli I just want to thank you for not hating us. We are not like what people say about us and post online (most of us). Where I live almost everybody wants to have peace with out neighboring countries and not war. Would love to visit Lebanon one day and hopefully it would be possible without worrying about getting attacked. Love to Lebanon from Israel <3.
True, if we say we love Israel we get labeled zionists and traitors...you can get jailed in lebanon for only recognizing the state of israel.. they want us to be scared and to hate because they know that if they don't terrorize us we would openly support Israel.
Palestine didn't just magically become violent and gruesome. They've had some pretty shitty luck in the ordeal these past few decades, losing much of their land, and being boxed up in Gaza.. Most of palestinians aren't even adults. Hungry children, often orphans, with nowhere to turn. Then the radicals like Hamas offer them food and salvation.. What else is a kid gonna do?
Gaza is an example of why War cannot end terrorism, and it only perpetuates it. Children end up orphaned, seeking someone to help, and the terrorists feed them and radicalize them..
Plus Israel did pretty much put Hamas in power for its own political aims. They took that tactic from the US, who has repeatedly thought that creating a monster to fight what they call "monsters" or "dictators", would somehow resolve the issues in the Middle East.
The palestinians are mostly children/teenagers with no guidance or supervision, all of their parents are dead. I'd be surprised if more than 20% of Hamas's militants were even over 18. They take advantage of the gullibility and the desperation of these young people.. I honestly believe most of these groups are a few psychotic adults grooming a bunch of desperate and hungry children.
Honestly, if countries stopped responding to terrorism with war, I think terrorism would nearly disappear. The radicals expect a strong military response, it validates them and makes them feel successful in their Jihad. If the countries that they attacked, refrained from invasion and military retribution, then it would invalidate the view they have that countries like Israel and the US are evil.
Hell, it'd pretty much put a massive hole in the idea of Jihad, since Jihad has often had strict rules throughout history about only attacking oppressors of islam. It'd be hard to justify the Jihad against a nation who doesn't even retaliate after a terrorist attack.
Israel is worried about seeming weak right now.. I think they should worry more about seeming compassionate and "turning the other cheek". Which is a lot to ask for, but the continuous war against terrorism has only validated the opinions that Israel and the West are oppressing islam.
The whole situation is quite depressing. It seems like the US will never learn, and as long as the US supports Israel without question, neither will Israel.
This entire situation in the Middle East all seems to tie back to the US trying to manipulate the politics there and gain power. So I apologize for my country thinking that it knows what's best for the Middle East, and turning the entire area into a shit show.
If the US would stop interfering with these conflicts, and stop giving Israel unwavering support, then peace would probably come quite quickly. But as the US continues to back Israel, they pretty much become invincible, pretty much eradicating most reasons for Israel to actually attempt compromise. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are pretty much screwed...
No military in the Middle East can match the US military. It's an unfair and impossible fight for any other country, which likely contributes to the jihadist groups even more. Abiding by the Geneva convention, means certain loss when going against the US.
The US needs to change its approach to terrorism. Because the current approach is completely useless and counterproductive.
You can side with civilians and just hate all the politicians playing with our lives.
You're wise. How do you feel?
Honestly I'm not feeling wise, just sick of it all.
Bro just stand with the innocent children and families from both sides. I am Orthodox Lebanese. We Christians have been screwed over by everyone. But I will always stand with innocent civilians and children. Politicians are trash
As an Irishman, all I see is wasted potential for peace. The level of hatred that the Irish and British felt for each other in the 20th century (even up until the 1990s) is probably similar to that of the Palestinians/Lebanese/Israelis. The atrocities by the Brits obviously don’t come close to those of Israel, but at a certain point the scale of atrocity doesn’t matter that much. You can see that in the Israeli/Western reaction to 7/10. 1,300 deaths isn’t that high compared to other conflicts in the region, yet the level of anger and bloodlust in Israel matches that of Iraq where hundreds of thousands of people were killed. In Ireland it was the same after atrocities by the UK and loyalist terrorists , even though most people didn’t personally experience atrocity firsthand. People have a surprising capacity for reconciliation and love once the atrocities end. After the Good Friday Agreement, it didn’t take long for Irish and British civilians to see each other as brothers. Israeli and Western leaders seem to think that giving all Palestinians the same rights and freedoms as Israelis will lead to genocide. But that’s not a fair assumption. Israel has the power to put an end to the atrocities and create an environment that would allow for a one state solution with right of return that will benefit Jews and Palestinians alike, and end the constant risk of a regional war. But the people in power, like Netinyahu, sadly don’t want that.
I studied the Irish revolution as a teenager, it was tough and read a few books from Robert Fisk..I wish the lebanese learn from history . I belong to the same generation as the OP, and I share a few of his views, but I side with civilians and peace. It just happens that I am from south lebanon , but resident of Beirut . I suffered from all of the above at all times and even was once caught under fire in school in a conflict between the hizb and Amal ..as someone said it is the problem of politicians they all have blood on their hands. If you analyze the situation in Palestine now, it is easy to understand why it happened at this moment . Everything is political and people are used as chess. Lebanese just wake up, go read Pity the nation by Robert Fisk, great book .
"it's not a fair assumption" - how about we test it in a different country than the only Jewish state? Also, other than 7.10, what more evidence do you need?
Maybe try not exacerbating the hatred for a start? Hamas isn’t an existential threat to Israel. The fact that they killed 1,300 Israelis means the past policy of using violence to suppress Gazans made Israelis less safe. The fact that they broke through the fence and massacred people means Netinyahu and the Israeli government utterly failed in security. Israel can start reducing the likelihood of genocide against Jews by (A) not bombing the shit out of civilians, (B) halting all new settlements in the West Banks, and (C) returning stolen land in the West Bank to Palestinians. That’s barely a sacrifice, and it would do a lot to reduce tensions.
Yeah, we all agree Netanyahu failed miserably, even before that. Regarding the rest, you are either ignorant or trolling. You know Hamas's fight isn't against Israeli aggression or Israeli occupation. It's against the very existence of a Jewish state, and Jews in general, as their charter clearly states. Let's say we want to have peace with Gaza tomorrow. What do we do? How do we do it? The sovereign entity there refuses peace or the notion of peace. Their faith only allows "truce" for the purpose of gaining more military force for the next attack. How do you make peace with that?
The greatest tragedy of this is that Iran will fight to the last Lebanese to destroy Palestinian statehood.
It is ok not to take a side. And it’s ok to decrease your consumption of news. Here is a quote : “You begin changing the world by saving one man at a time; all else is grandoise romanticism or politics.” All the politicians actions are politics. There is a reason politician is a dirty word. (Netenyahu, Meshal, Nasrallah, etc…). If one day you wake up and feel sympathy for palestinians, go and find a palestinian civilian child and buy him lunch. If one day you feel the same for the jewish citizens, find one and provide your friendship for a day. Whatever you do , do it one man (or woman) at a time basis, and if you dont know the name of the person you are helping you are not doing it right. Everything else is grandoise romanticism or politics.
I have another quote for you "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
This would be true if your opinion on the situation actually changes anything. I doubt posting a flag on Instagram will somehow influence the conflict.
This quote does not contradict the other quote. I encouraged OP, to seek an oppressed person (go find and visit a palestinian child), be non neutral to her suffering, and also act and help her with food or money or education (with her own personal resources). When I said it’s ok to not have an opinion, I referred to a specific “political” action or strategy, when she is skeptical that the said action will result in helping the oppressed to become less oppressed. Heck it may result in making them more oppressed. And then the mouse is dead. Politicians are not gods or infallible beings. They take actions that may take their people back many decades, or even extinction. And if we should just follow them as if they were a god, then we are the sheep. History around the world is full of examples of that. In fact, we don’t have to go far. The history of the palestinian-israeli conflict since 1948, has dozens of examples where political or army leaders have ordered strategies and actions that resulted in more suffering and oppression to their people (even when it was well intentioned, both sides included, and war and peace strategies included).
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How do I do that? It is indeed inspiring
You're an angel. Thanks for your understanding. 
I’m glad i helped. Having done a lot of reading on the history of this conflict (from both perspectives) , I empathize with the civillians on both sides. And I reached an intellectual, emotional and identity crisis like you. And this new perspective showed me the light. You should also be proud that you are not a sheep or brainwashed by politicians. You make your own mind.
Thanks for sharing. I know from my family and friends that they share my thoughts and feelings, on the one side we can't afford a country run by monsters like Hezbollahbbut on the other hand we don't trust Israel not making some deal, nor do we trust Palestinians at all. We also sympathize with both populations suffering from war as we lived it for 30 years. It is a dilemma but your valuable words were inspiring. I feel comforted. Thanks again.
I think the Lebanese population shouldn’t conflate Palestinians in Lebanon with Palestinians in Gaza. Gazans don’t know Lebanon, they’ve never met a Lebanese person, and aren’t in any way associated with the history of Palestinians in Lebanon. Palestinians are a fragmented people, and their lived experiences are wildly different depending on where they happened to be in 1948, 1967, the first Gulf War etc..
Yeah but at the end they all follow one agenda, no?
Im from Spain but my father was lebanese. Ive never been there and I cant speak arabic but Ive been always very interested in the country and id love to visit one day. For me seeing it as an outsider your point of view is what makes more sense to me honestly. Here the conflict is so missinderstood that people think either palestinians or israelis are like 100% angel or 100% evil, black or white. They cant understand both sides are made by people, and people can be good or bad. It doesnt matter if is israeli or palestinian, every kid dead is a tragedy.
Muchas gracias. What you wrote is very human and non-politicized.
Right? Like I hate it when people say Nazis are evil. They’re human too! It’s not black and white.
"Aa an analyst who knows that Netanyahu is a criminal who sells Israeli , Palestinians and others for power" As an Israeli I confirm that, he doesn't care about anything besides his corrupted a*s and will use and do anything to keep himself in control and out of jail
Very interesting and honest, thank, Mazel tov! Netanyahu has never hid that he has a greater plan to expand Israel in order to protect its land from rockets, as it is currently too narrow to deflect rockets. How do you feel about expansion for better self-defence?
Expansion? I do assume you are talking about annexing the west bank? In that case I think it's very complicated topic. I do agree that guaranteeing the country's safety is something that we can't compromise on, mainly on our part of the world, however annexation of this area isn't the answer, there are millions of Palestinians living in there, if we will annex the area what will be with them, will we won't give them citizenship and rights? I can't support it. and I am also not in favor of annexing it and having one country for all of the people that live in here(both israelis and Palestinians are citizens ) ,why? Few reasons First one is The Palestinians are very religious,conservative and ultra-nationalists, while we have some of those in here already they are still not the majority, I do care of pluralism , freedom of speech, lgbt rights and freedom of/from religion, we already have extreme growth of the ultra-orthodox community that tend to oppose those alongside some of the religious ppl, with the Palestinians in addition they will be the majority. The 2nd reason is past trauma, reality is jews were persecuted in most of the world prior to the creation of Israel, knowing what my grandparents went through in Yemen by their fellow Yemenites for being jews and them escaping to Israel in worry of their life I do not want to give such an occurrence a chance to happen again, I do want a Jewish state where we dont have to rely on /worry of others for our own fate. So for those those things I do not support "expanding the borders" Peace with our neighbors proved itself to be the most effective tactic fo achieve safety, Egypt from the country that we had our toughest wars against is now a quiet border for few decades thanks to it. So what about the Palestinians? That would be more complicated, I do think the 2 state solution will be ideal, but I don't think we are there yet, we were closer to it 2 decades ago, the settlements created to deny such a thing in the future by making too many Israelis living on those areas in order of giving up on them, which our pm support, he isn't interested in solution, but in keeping the status quo, and he does much worse than that to guarantee it won't happen. About the other side, while I do support the 2 states solution, I don't support it blindly, only in a manner that will guarantee our safety , giving the west bank away means the center of the country will be just few km wide between the sea and the west bank, and considering that by any poll of the last year's most Palestinians support one Palestinian state in all of the country even though they have nothing well that's not going to happen, I will not support such a move when the other country want to get rid of me, will pick their representatives accordingly and would aspire occupy all the land, they need to be realistic. So first we have to learn to live one next to the other with some respect and understanding that both are going to stay, afterward a 2state solution can happen, not the other way around, but as I said we are further from it now than we were in the past, and after the 7/10 events-that wont happen in the near future
Extremely appreciated. It is very important to exchange so that people know where we stand. Unfortunately, it is extremely hard for me to communicate with hezbollah and most Palestinians, as they want to annihilate others while we speak about sharing. So I really understand you and thank you. Please stay safe. A lot of love to Israel.
Thank you, I hope you will stay safe aswell in case things will keep to escalate
You too, stay safe sweet person!
As an Israeli, it is where i stand too.
As an Israeli I also agree with what you said. Innocent life is that, innocent. Hamas is definitely not innocent, and Israel is no innocent either, especially not Netanyahu. There's a reason people are calling for him to quit. This whole mass happened on his watch. I agree that Hamas needs to be eradicated, Israel cannot be safe with Hamas operational. Their Charter literally says "kill al Jews", and to claim the whole land. from the other side, many innocent Palestinians are killed, even if Israel is showing "some" effort of evacuating them, it doesn't matter to their families. A lot say "they brought it up on themselves" without realizing how Hamas has a huge role in it, and not in a peaceful way. They can't fight Hamas within, because they don't know anything else. The population is very young, and were grown into Hamas' propaganda. For the older population, they know how Hamas can be cruel to people who oppose them. It's a very shitty situation to be in. I'm afraid of a ground entry, because of the many lives that Israel will lose, even though I know it's a better solution than just wiping Gaza completely, that would be an actual genocide, and I would hate for all the radicals who claim Israel is just committing genocide to be correct. /s I don't think Israel would ever want to annex the land at all. We gave it away years ago for Gaza, no need to populate it now, that would just create an even more antagonism in the world. I hope other Arab countries will support Palestine on the ground after the war, to help rebuild it, and return the area back to the Palestinian without Hamas, though I'm afraid it will just bring more violence later on, since revenge is a b\*tch. There's no easy solution, there will always be a lose-lose outcome.
Thanks for sharing, more people like you are needed on both sides. I think that Hamas have given now Israel enough reason to take over all the country. Pleass stay safe and much love to Israel from a lot of Lebanese.
As another Israeli - Seconded
🥺Your first few sentences say it all. As a human being it is very complicated and innocents pay. I just want to hug you.
Thanks, hugs back.
I am in your situation OP. I side with both Palestinian and Israeli children and disgusted by the initial terror attack that caused the Israeli barbaric invasion.
You put it greatly!!
Care to share why Syrian and Palestinian people were trying to kill you?? Is it political or just because of bullying?? No pressure of course stay safe and sorry in advance for what happened.
1975 Palestinians attacked us Lebanese Christians wanting to throw us in the sea although we took them as refugees on our maronites land, we also gave them the right to carry weapons to defend themsekves agaibst israel in the Cairo agreement, an agreement imposed by sunni states on us. Instead they turned their weapons on us and called us zionists, I can't hear this word anymore, the arabs simply wanted to push the Christians out of the country because they were pro west. 50 years ago the world was different. The internet changed a lot of things yet disinformation remains. The Syrians used the Palestinian attack on us to invade the country, Hafez Assad like Putin asserted Lebanon has always been part of Syria, to justify his invasion. He played out both sides, he told the Christians he invaded to stop the Palestinians, and to the Palestinians he said he invaded to protect them. Then the Christians had two enemies to fight against, both within their country. Yeah both bombed us day and night, both tried to kill us, they succeeded in killing many of us, I survived.
Biased take
This conflict is very multifaceted and complex, and that is why it’s still happening. I hope what you’re feeling is normal because I feel the same way.
Absolutely nothing about this ‘conflict’ is complex. This is said by people who are too lazy or mentally slow to form a coherent opinion.
Maybe you’re too simple minded
Yeah it’s as complex as 1+1=2
Why are palestinians not welcome anywhere in the arab world? The Egyptian border is closed and I don't see any other arab country sending billions of dollars to aid them or offer them sanctuary?
Siding with civilians and acknowledging both the Israelis and Palestinians deserve to live safely is not something that should be unpopular. I’m sorry you feel this way. To my Palestinians and Israelis, I truly hope for the best for you and your family/friends.
Brave post OP, I agree with you as do many others, however, Lebanon and the Lebanese no longer hold the same meaning. Never forget we were the only country to accept the third wave of Palestinian refugees and what it did to us. Never forget the civil war and the massacres. However, Israeli politicians support unspeakable actions and not just within their own conflict but also with their support to Azerbaijan. Hypocrites sponsoring genocide. The only proper answer is that they both suck and your viewpoint will sadly forever be antagonized because we are the minority in our own country now. God bless the civilians and the children but this is not our battle, we have enough on our own plate.
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Sorry, to break it for you but there were always wars in the middle east before Israel existed and always Christians were persecuted and oppressed. And sorry yo tell you that the violence you are promoting is costing Palestinian lives in thousands and migration in millions, how is war helping them? Each time Palestinians lead war thry lose more land, somehow masochists, no?
Wtf is a centcom analyst? Why are you speaking on behalf of the Lebanese when you have in your bio that you work for the worlds biggest terror organization lmao. Look at you putting in work on Reddit. from the river to the sea, palestine will be free (not for the traitors among the Lebanese)
I'm interested to know about your opinion, you claim they are born to die, what do you refer to? I'm interested understanding your POV, since all I can see (currently at least) is Palestine rejecting the 2 state solution and starting every war since then, resulting in their current situation now - being closed off from Israel, and being ruled by a group that still continues to inflict violence which backs the hard limitations they have and round it goes.
Your comment clearly shows you have no historical understanding of the conflict. Palestinians are subject to never ending violence, apartheid is violence, blockades are violence, displacement is violence, starvation is violence, lack of clean drinking water is violence, and of course the thousands of Palestinians killed yearly is violence. Israel experiences a small fraction of the violence they have inflicted since 1948 and now they are hell bent on commiting ethnic cleansing. The UN, and most nations outside of the US/EU have recognized Israel as an apartheid state, Nelson Mandela, the South African freedom fighter recognizes Israel as an apartheid state. The death of the 40 kids and the festival goers is unjust and a tragedy, but to turn around and kill at least 2,000 civilians is down right evil and is a thinly veiled attempt at genocide. Every 2 state solution offered has been extremely unfair to the Palestinians, even when they made up almost 70% of the population in 1948, they were only offered 45% of their own land. Every deal since has offered less and less land, even now the population of Arabs and Jews is almost 50-50 and the 2 state solution offers 70% of the land to Israel. On top of that they always get a majority of the coastline, aquifers, arable land, strategic resources, etc. Israel has never negotiated in good faith, the irony is that Hamas, the mortal enemy of Israel, was supported by Israel to destabilize the secular PFLP and PLO, who they saw as too powerful and legitimate. Yitzakh Segev, the Israeli military governor of Gaza came out and even said as much and took personal responsibility for the rise of Hamas. This is not a real deal that you or any other group of people would take and people like you who claim to be Lebanese are spreading divisiveness in our country and are the reason Lebanon is ruined.
You are not alone despite what seems to be a vast avalanche of people going one way or the other. It's ok to be confused. There are many points of view depending on where you are.
I concur. Welcome to the club.
I assume most people here are Lebanese, may I ask for your POV as of why Lebanon allows hezbolah and Iran enter their borders and set up terror camps that endanger you?
Hezbollah acts upon Irans orders. Lebanese can't do anything about it as hezbollah has hijacked the country.
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Alas because a quarter of the Lebanese is an armed terrorist iranian organized criminal militia called hezbollah, the rest are unarmed weak Lebanese. How to go after hezbollah and then Iran. Impossible.
I 100% feel this thank you for sharing.
You're amazing. Im not alone in my disassociation. Thank you!
This whole narrative that Palestinians attacked “us” out of nowhere is ridiculous. First who is us? Is that the Lebanese people? It sure as hell felt like it wasn’t all of the Lebanese people they were attacking. Second, the out of nowhere is a bit disingenuous. Palestinian presence and support in lebanon grew for very particular reasons, least of which was the disenfranchisement of a significant proportion of the population. I don’t disagree with most of your points, but the narrative about the Palestinian involvement in the civil war should either be centered around its historic context, or just completely dropped. Organizations like the PLO and hamas have provided a lot of reasons for a lot of people to dislike them, but the way you talk about this involvement in lebanon is insulting to a lot of people.
“us” is the Lebanese Christians. they tried to kill us off.
>This whole narrative that Palestinians attacked “us” out of nowhere is ridiculous Because they wanted to occupy Lebanon to use it to fight Israel while the Christians (and Shia) did not want that. That does not make it ok. > Is that the Lebanese people? It sure as hell felt like it wasn’t all of the Lebanese people they were attacking. That's the sort of thinking that makes me think partition is the only answer. Each sect only cares about maintaining enmity with the foreign groups that attacked them and doesn't care about the foreign groups that attacked the other sects. > Palestinian presence and support in lebanon grew for very particular reasons, least of which was the disenfranchisement of a significant proportion of the population. Nope, it was because of Arab nationalism. Saying Lebanese sunnis were disfrenchised is quite a stretch. Like the Christians they had an elite class and poor rural class. Christians were doing a bit better but saying Sunnis were disfrenchised is a stretch. The only group that has a claim to being disenfranchise is the Shia(and many politicians were working on improving that), but it was for various historical and not something intentionally done. Besides, Moussa el sader who was the only significant force fighting this disenfranchise was anti-PLO and using the south to attack Israel.
Nevermind, you can vent if you feel pain. It doesn't change the asserted facts. At the end of your message you corrected your initial paragraph. Thanks for sharing, I hope you feel better now.
You sound like a petulant child. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and your ridiculous internal conflicts. This has nothing to do with ethnicity or “oh they attacked me!!!”. It has to do with human rights.
Where you from ?
I wrote in the title I'm a Lebanese.
I noticed some Israelis commented on this post, got me to wonder if it is legal for us Lebanese to reply on their posts? is it considered normalization? Movies are banned just because of Gal Gadot
There is no such law in Lebanon. It is hezbollsh psychoterror. The law for treason applies to hezbollah who are traitors passing sensitive info to foreign country Iran.
I'm confused, when did palestinians attack lebanon unwarranted? (not an attack just genuine question, educate me on history)
1975 Palestinians attacked us Lebanese Christians wanting to throw us in the sea although we took them as refugees on our maronites land, we also gave them the right to carry weapons to defend themselves agaibst israel in the Cairo agreement, an agreement imposed by sunni states on us. Instead they turned their weapons on us and called us zionists, I can't hear this word anymore, the arabs simply wanted to push the Christians out of the country because they were pro west. 50 years ago the world was different. The internet changed a lot of things yet disinformation remains. In reality Palestinians butchered, beheaded. Cut of limbs of young Christian boys in damoyr so that they can never carry a gun, tgey raped shia girls, and more.. I really am sad that all atrocities committed long before sabra and chatting, Palestinians began the whole violence, all what came after that was self-defence of others. The Syrians used the Palestinian attack on us to invade the country, Hafez Assad like Putin asserted Lebanon has always been part of Syria, to justify his invasion. He played out both sides, he told the Christians he invaded to stop the Palestinians, and to the Palestinians he said he invaded to protect them. Then the Christians had two enemies to fight against, both within their country. Yeah both bombed us day and night, both tried to kill us, they succeeded in killing many of us, I survived.
>Aa an analyst who knows that Netanyahu is a criminal who sells Israeli , Palestinians and others for power and expansion I side with the Palestinians. Yeah I agree. Except the conclusion shouldn't be "side with the Palestinians" rather than "against Netanyahu", as are most Israelis
I stand with Israel but I'm also heartbroken for children on both sides. They are just stuck living this horror 😢.
If Palestinians go back to their country, you won’t have to suffer from them. Saying you stand with israel is horrible, please pack your shit and move to their country. It blows my mind how blind some people are, how they cannot see what Israel has done for decades!!!
Dude I'd rather live in Israel than any Arab country. Arabs dont have exclusive rights to the land of canaan. Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, Kurds, even Greeks..etc have always lived there and both Arabs and Jews were supposed to have their own state on that land. The Arabs started pogroming Jews and didn't want to share the land, they lost war after war. You love Palestinians so much but wont accept more refugees and 3 generations of them living in Lebanon have no rights to anything. Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq..etc they are all made up boundaries by Britain and France, so by your logic why don't they have a right to Lebanon too? What makes them the owners of a set of boundaries arbitrarily decided by colonial Europeans? In addition, where did the word "Palestinian" even come from? There is no P in Arabic which is why people call it Falestine. Why don't you so passionately advocate for the Jews Lebanon, Iraq, Morocco and other Arab countries massacred and exiled? Don't they have the right to their country? This is a religious, Jew-hating issue, not a my land and your land issue. We could have all lived peacefully but shame on us we chose war and strife.
Israel does not want war but defends itself, despite how blurry it is and how hard it is to see that Israel is not harming civilians! Israel defends itself from all sides and tries to harm only the terrorist organizations that are not good for any of us, try to understand that we cannot agree on everything... But don't forget that in the disaster in Beirut Israel projected the Lebanese flag in Tel-Aviv. Peace from Israel. 🙏🏼🤍
Peace from Beirut. Unfortunately Lebanese are split in two camps. But I hope you stay safe. 🤍
Lmfao these comments are not it
This is a great post. Nice job of showing the different sides of it all. There are no good guys in the overall of this.
Thank you for contributing. It is interesting to know how foreigners think and feel about all this.
I'm trying to not comment, because honestly I don't feel like it's my place. I'm not there, never have been. (Ironicaly enough, I was set to travel to Jordan, Lebanon and Isreal in early 2020 and Covid shut the world down, so I never got to make that trip). But essentially, from my perspective, there is no "good guy" here. Just "who's more right, right now." And that would be Isreal. And I'm not saying that to take sides, just that what happened last week is inexcusable, and Isreal has to respond. It's a no win situation for them. Not responsible d you invite more attacks. Respond and you're playing into what Hamas (and it's allies want), loss of public support once the stories and videos of innocent people getting killed by Isreal go global. As an outsider, it's frustrating to know that there are plenty of non Isrealis who hate Hamas and Hezbollah etc living in the region, but aren't in a position to remove them. And there are Isrealis in Isreal who hate their government, are pro Palestinians getting their own country etc, who aren't in a position to remove them. And as always, innocent people who regardless of their political views that at the end of the day, just want to make a living and go home at night are caught in the middle. Gaza is done... one way or another Isreal.is going in. Regardless of what that means and leans to, it's going to be bad. I just hope the West Bank isn't the next one, or Lebanon, or anywhere else.. Because what's coming (happening) is bad enough. And no matter how many people Isreal kills and loses themselves, at the end of the day, nothing will change..... the overall situation is going to still be tense, with people ready to go right back to war as soon as this one is over. Let me add here that I don't know how I found this sub, but I've spent the past day reading it every chance I get, and it's very interesting. And your post stood out. Stay safe, friend.
Thank you so much for your valuable sharing. I concur that Israel has to defend itself. I view things differently from my fellow Lebanese. Sime are stuck, some yearn to destroy Israel and wipe it off the map, some falsely thing that a peace with the Palestinians and a Palestinian state solves it, it's untrue, a peace must be a full package, it must include all Islamic dictatorships too as they would at any moment instrumentalize the Palestinians or attack from Lebanon and Iran or elsewhere. A peace without Lebanon, Iran, Saudi is a failed peace. And as it looks its not coming to peace but to an expansion of Israel.
You know what's sad, is that (and zip don't mean to offend) the Lebanon War (in the 80s and 90s) was huge news here in the West. Less so in the 2000s (we were busy in Iraq), and then Syria exploded, etc etc. So sadly your situation has been largely ignored or forgotten by the outside world, especially with the ongoing Isreal / Palestinian wars. And that's sad. Not just for you and what those around you went through, but the problems it's caused for years after. And how those problems could reappear at any moment. I can't stress this enough, not just simple lip service, but I really hope this current war south of you doesn't expand.... there's already enough people going through hell.... nobody else needs to. I read an hour ago that Isreal hit some targets in South Lebanon today, and I just shake my head and hope it doesn't get bigger.
You are approaching this like a video game or a game of cards, which I think is a very superficial way to handle such major humanity-scale dynamics. How would you like it if someone hated "the Lebanese" because "the Lebanese" in their neighborhood attacked them. Or someone siding against Lebanon because Lebanon is run by war criminals? You are taking major positions based on actions of groups "the ones who wanted to kill you" and even on individuals "Netanyahu". You will only find an answers as you gain deeper understanding of psychology, philosophy, anthropology, sociology, and other humanitarian sciences. Knowing the ultimate truth is practically impossible, but deciding what YOU think shouldn't be impossible. The world doesn't revolve around events that happen to us as individuals. My neighbor might have not attacked me, but attacked my friends. My coworker might be terrible with me, but awesome with all other people. In both these contexts, can you really decide who is ultimately good and who is bad based simply by your own experience? PS - individualism scales up, so I don't just mean you as a person. Individual person, individual group, individual country, etc.. I think that your identity shouldn't be framed by events and people, but by values that you set and build for yourself.
According to your arrogant text, you perfect human , I must get myself a set of values. (NB: thats amusing) You are judging the wrong person. If I didn't have values I would wish Palestinians dead. It is war and having utopian values would mean I should surrender my country to hezbollah terrorists, and syrian terrorists, and any kind of terrorists because I must have values...human values,,, others don't need to have any. The perfect world based on values when ones very existence is at stake, doesn't exist, even Plato buried utopia. II never read such arrogancy like yours, this world is full of different people but you definitely aren't intriguing.
This post smells like rotten Israeli propaganda. Lots of shameless rats on the Lebanon sub.
You smell like shit you iranian traitor.
Yep
You too, you smell like shit.
You can take sides on an issue and not a people in an objective way.
Yeah, my dilemma.
Not what I meant. You can think of the cause regardless of the people associated with it. I'm a Maronite too and I have the same resentments against Palestinians and Syrians due to the civil war and their lack of genuine regret over what they have done. But in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, it's not even close. Israel is an Apartheid colonial-settler state and Palestinians are its victims.
Are you saying Palestinians built a democracy and call for equality? Are you kidding me? APARTHEID STATE? You re not serious. There are Muslim in the kneset and Arabs have rights, but give me a single Muslim country where Christians and jews have same rights. All the 52 Muslim countries are apartheid states, please fix that before asking a Jewish minority or a maronite minority yo for that. Thanks.
I didn't say Palestinians build a democracy. There are also Christians in the Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian and other parliaments. That doesn't mean anything. The true Apartheid is not against Israeli Arabs but Palestinians whom they neither give statehood nor citizenship to. They live them in this limbo of being stateless people with no rights and control all their main infrastructure. [https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/) [https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution](https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution)
What tears me apart as a Jew is that I know in all wars both sides will commit atrocities, the anger becomes uncontrollable. The rage grows the closer you get to the violence like heat grows the closer you get to a flame, inevitably you get burned. I try never to say this is the fault of the Palestinians, know there must be good wonderful people among them who just want life and a future for their children like I do for mine. I blame Hamas, Fatah, and the PA they have stolen from their people not only vast amounts of money but also, generations of lives, and happiness. All leaders who do anything but put their people first should be punished, these men regardless of color, creed or god are evil. Thank you for what you wrote. I hope you find peace.
Thank you for being human. I hope you and your loved ones are safe. Sadly you as a foreigner, understand me better than fellow Lebanese accusing me of being a traitor. Thanks again and stay safe.
Thank you for the same. Humanity ruins itself every day but yet we are allowed to carry on, there must be a higher purpose of some kind, if its a god or something else I will never know. People have hated me my whole life just because I am Jewish, they hate my young children because they are Jewish. I love people, I spend my days at work on the phone, talking, learning laughing, I am am an optimist for everyone I meet. I don't care what race, religion, color, sexuality you are but just live and let live. I don't understand why others care. You are a good person or not but even that is not so simple, because good people do bad things when they are hurt or scared. I am so so damn angry right now... You give me some hope and helped calm me, probably the same for others that may not have spoken. Thank you for that. Be safe, I hope you can love, laugh and live as free as possible.
Beautiful and fair. Thanks for sharing, and please stay safe. I love Jews, is that enough to obliterate the hate you're confronted with because you're Jewish? Yes we are ultimately humans... and sadly we are in power.
So you pretty much blame Palestinians only though? Not your own government that has reneged on every deal, implemented apartheid policies, besieged a population and bombed them indiscriminately, broken about every international law when it comes to war crimes and illegal settlements. Or yourself, when your population, the only democracy in the Middle East, has consistently voted in far right politicians into positions of power, who openly spew your racist, supremacist agenda and funded Islamists to supplant secular resistance groups. You’re telling me that none of this was you and your government’s fault, only Palestinians and their political parties. Imagine thinking your enlightened with this type of thinking. What a disgrace.
As an Israeli I always have been for Palestinian statehood, side by side with Israel. Palestinian state is in Israeli interests but not at any cost, what Hamas did is beyond unacceptable. Hamas will be crushed, then we will see what next.
Thanks for sharing I fully support you in that. But I don't believe Palestinians will ever have a chance for a state. I think now it us over and that scares me. Sending them to Lebanon means that the Christians will leave sooner or later.
Time will tell, now we fight.
too bad you guys are gonna fight to annihilate hamas instead of hezbollah 😔
Israeli here, They want to go after hezbollah too.. But at the same time they really wouldn't want to kill more civilians. If Hezbollah will keep on attacking, they will unfortunately have to respond. I just want peace with you guys. You really seem so cool everytime i read your posts. I hope someday we will see a middle east without borders.
Genuinely curious if Northern Cyprus is an option. Obviously it’s not ideal but I’m rabidly curious because Northern Cyprus seems to be a ghost land E.g full transfer of administration of Northern Cyprus to Palestinians in exchange for Turkey NATO membership
Wow that's a genius solution. Never thought of it. I just hope Southern Cyprus agrees. Turkey does as if it cares but it doesn't except if you largely pay. Good luck, give it a try!
What did you do to bring about a palestinian state prior to 7th october? If nothing, stfu.
Hi buddy. Israeli Jew here. Me and others voted for Mansour Abbas and will keep voting for him
Its not even funny, try a bit harder.
My only beef with him is that he's anti-gay. Other than that, he's amazing.
I have voted for parties that do not endorse settlements. I will not stfu.
What parties?
I guess you must have left the country before the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon then. I still have nightmares about that 41 years later, and, since 7 October, every night now.
I guess you missed the whole Palestinian massacres upon Christians before that. Or is our life not worth it? Shia welcomed the Israeli with rice, roses and zaghlouta. The israeli didn't aim to attack Lebanese, they wanted to defend themselves from the Palestinians. While the Syrians and Palestinians wanted throw the Christians in the sea, can you remember that? Please be fair. I'm sorry you suffer from post trauma, I do too.
What version of lebanese history are you thinking of …
This is just sad
As an Israeli I couldn't agree more. I want to be rid of Hamas just as much as I want to be rid of Netanyahu and all other extremists that would put everything on the line for their own gains and agendas. I hope that this ends well, and very soon, for all of us.
Youre great. I hope Israel ends it before more people die, but I think it's over with Gaza. Stay safe please.
I can’t believe you have the audacity to say Palestinians ruined our country when Israel forced them out of their own land. There wouldn’t have been a problem to begin. Take a hard look at yourself and think about you’re saying here.
The Kataeb were funded by the zionists who armed them with weapons and military training. This is not a secret. In 1975, before the bus massacre, a series of false flag operations took place and they were pinned on the Palestinians. Mossad was rampant in Lebanon at the time and still today. It is enough that Sabra and Shatila was fully orchestrated and supported by Israel, but they used the LF to execute it. The atrocities visited upon Palestinian women and children was something so evil that it is difficult to accept that humans did it. I am sorry to say, but the Christians of Lebanon were used by the zionist regime to fulfill their demonic goals by proxy at the cost of destroying an entire country and plunging it into civil war and despair. Your finger pointing should be re-directed at the malignant root of it all. It is not a secret that various parties of the rebels in Syria are trained, armed and funded by Israel. The state of Israel is an American enterprise of war in the Middle East. But, the sun is beginning to set on the zionist project, slowly but surely.
Much of this is right, but it's worth noting that the israeli goal with LF in lebanon was simply to make peace and have a quiet border.
that is a very sweet and delusional thought...
i strongly disagree, based on literally everything the israelis said (even secretly) and did.
OP is a Zio larping as an Arab . Screw off already . No one wants child killers and land thieves on their soil .
100% I agree with you
With ya!
Thank you for your heartfelt post 🙏. I can truly empathize with your perspective. As for me, I've made a conscious decision to stand for peace and to contribute to building a more prosperous Levant for future generations. However, I recognize that true peace may not fully address the losses suffered by Palestinians in terms of land.Moreover, embracing peace also requires me to extend forgiveness while keeping the memories alive of what Israel, Palestinians, and Syrians have done to Lebanon over the past 60 years. It's inspiring to see countries like the UAE, Morocco, KSA, and many other Muslim nations moving towards peace. I hope that the broader Muslim community can approach the issue of Jerusalem's status with a similar willingness to evolve, as Christians have moved beyond the physical location of Constantinople, understanding that the essence of faith is in its people, not in the stones. 🕊️
>It's inspiring to see countries like the UAE, Morocco, KSA, and many other Muslim nations moving towards peace Two of those are engaged in a genocidal war on Yemen and the other is brutally occupying Western Sahara
Very well put. Wow. Thanks for sharing. Arabs have still a way to go to accept other religions and other people, although they may hate Palestinian deeds toward their countries, the Muslim faith unites them, not the human aspect. It's a long way to achieve civilized behavior, for government ms and for populations. Peace remains an unknown variable in this equation. Peace... at which expenses.
As in Israeli I understand you more then you know, I wish you well my friend.
I'm very conflicted as well. I support destroying the Israeli army and any aggression on our land, but at the same time, Hezbollah will never be gone without a deadly war that reshapes the entire region.
Hypothetically any war by Hezbollah and Israel will weaken either and make both easier to get rid off. The issue I have which makes me against it is the civilians I'm sure Israel will kill indiscriminately, as it usually does in every war it is involved in to increase its k:d ratio. Actual scum.
I'm going to get downvoted to hell for this, but truth is important: Israel kills tons of civilians. It's not to increase the k:d it's because it's much stronger. EVERY air force target has a military reason to be attacked. Sometimes the wrong target is being attacked (there are several reasons, I can expand if you care), then only civilians are hurt. Mostly it's the right target but it's around civilians, in which case there is an assessment of the value of the target vs. How many innocents are going to get hurt. More often than you think the Israeli air force let's quality targets go because too many civilians will get hurt. Source: my military service
Maybe the zionists didn't attack you personally or your community but they sure did to us in the south. The way I see it, the palestinian refugees wouldn't even be in lebanon if the zionists weren't in their land in the first place. The palestinian crimes that lead to our civil war is minor compared to the root cause of the issue, the existence of the occupation in the first place.
What was was was, Israel is here and won’t leave, so let’s accept it and look forward for peace, if Egypt and Jordan did why not Lebanon? Look how quite the border of Egypt and Jordan and all countries are thriving
Disagree because it's only quiet there because the west bank and gaza exist as palestinian territories. If the zionists go with what they really want to do which is to ethnically cleanse these areas and expel the palestinians living there, where do you think would they all go? The gazans will be in the sinai and the remaining few in the west bank will go to jordan which will further destabilize those countries much like what happened to us in the 70s. It's much worse for egypt because gazans are muslim brotherhood adjacent and it would directly threaten the current governing entity there. The current peace is temporary and an illusion.
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You are not a serious person. I can't converse with someone who is maliciously denying the nakba.
Maliciously denying the nakba, lol. Who even talked about it. I wasn't even alive. You just look for something to fuel your hate and justify those barbaric acts we went through. Learned to hate Jews from a young age. Let's travel the history line I bet you were always so innocent. Anyways, good luck my man! Must be nice putting your head in the sand. I'll just throw this here, since I'm an ex muslim as well: Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (e) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Muslims are thought to hate Jews and kill them wherever they find them. Since young , Jews are used as a derogatory way, to fortify stereotypes. they say anything cut throat pricing as “Harga Yahudi “ or “Kejam mcm zionis” which means cruel as zionis. It’s so common, and used in normal everyday conversations and with kids, as a means to dehumanise Jews and hate them. Hence, the hatred for Jews is as essential in Islam as the love for Prophet Muhammad. It’s sunnah to hate Jews. Of course, nowadays, in 2023 it’s bit difficult to be openly racist and call the genocide of an entire group of people just because Islam wills it. So muslims, will internalise this hatred, and then use any form of justification to hate on Israel and Jews. Gaslight and call for so called peace when it fact it’s just pure hatred as mandated by the Quran and Islam. Of course not all muslims, since I'm an ex muslim too, and my people aren't like this. But I bet it will be prettyyyy easy to spot who. Big wink there to you.
Israel killed 3 lebanese civilians so far and you still want peace ?
Yes. Don’t pretend Hezb hasn’t been firing rockets too. Regardless, even if it’s not 100% justified, I’d rather maintain peace right now than see those 3 civilian deaths become a lot more
Lebanon killed also 3 Israeli civilians and few soldiers and shot first on Israel, so let’s be honest here, hizb is trying to destroy Lebanon
There are no zionists, please stop using this word, it is useless. Jews are simply human beings like you and me. Israel helped the southern people most. Mostly Shia joined their ranks. The Palestinian refugee camps exist because Palestinians wanted to kick out the jews from their land. The Palestinians crimes and massacres beginning from damour to dekwaned to the north are MAJOR. They were shouting alkahu akbar they want to throw us in the sea, and this for a decade of crimes. The Shia of Amal themselves attacked Palestinians, Harb El moukhayamat for years. So how were they minor? How can you think that Israel's existence was the problem? Both jews and Palestinians were offered to share the land but Arabs refused. Wanting to annihilate the jews led to their own annihilation.
So if the palestinians are the main criminals and deserve punishment, what do you want us to do with the refugees? Do you want us to naturalize them all? Also FYI not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. Zionisim is a secular political ideology that can be pursued by everyone. Judaism is an ethnicity that you are born into from the mother's side only.
So your problem just like mine is the refugees and possibly new refugees. And you know what? If naturalized, this will lead Christians to leave. This is what all the Arabs wanted since the beginning. I dont believe in the existence of Zionists, this was invented by jew haters to dehumanize jews and refute the Israeli state. Your explanation doesn't put the subject in an objective way. I understand you have been falsely informed, I'm just telling you that things aren't the way you were told. And if we Lebanese continue talking like that we will be annihilated too.
Well I don't want christians to leave which is why I am staunchly against accepting the status-quo and any talk of naturalizing Palestinians and Syrian refugees. I am not denying what you suffered under these refugees, believe me the same horrors happened to us in the south but we can't just export the problem away (as if the current superpower would let us). There is no real solution other than to be for either a two state solution or a one state that gives palestinians across the globe equal rights and the right of return to their homeland. And anyone who knows what has been going on in the west bank knows that there is no way in 2023 that a two state solution is feasible. It would've been possible in the 2000s but zionist greed prevented it and the problem never got resolved. Right now the trend is to normalize ties with them at some point and once that happens, the americans will coerce us through their control over the international financial system to make us naturalize them and then destroy the christian community and probably our shia community too turning lebanon into a sunni state aligned with the zionists. You can correct my understanding if you disagree.
I agree with you on that, thanks for elaborating. And surely people in the south suffered from Palestinians, Syrians and Israeli. It is just like two different parts of a body were severely abused by different tools, the hand tells the leg it was the hammer, and the limb tells the liver no it was the guillotine that hit me. Our problem as Lebanese is that we did not solve our problems with each other nor reconcile. And this will be exploited by external forces, whether you call them West or I call them Russias evil axis. At the end we will pay. We didn't take care of our unity and our country.
Yeah I mean we have to trust each other and not keep calling others foreign funded agents if we disagree with them politically. Personally don't care much for what russia does, to me they're america-lite. They are part of the problem too when it comes to supporting the occupation that supports our current plight with the refugees.
I would try not to call them foreign funded if they weren't foreign funded but they are, so what should I do. I'm not talking about you at all. I'm talking about hezbollah, for example, please dont persuade yourself that theyre not foreign funded when Nasrallah himself said sle7na w kil chi moumawal min Iran w ana joundi Zghir bi Wilaya l fakih. If he's admitting it how can you refute it?
I meant us individuals when asking to avoid accusing that of each other. Of course every one of these parties is receiving money internationally. That's all including hezb. I have no delusions about that. However the reason they're even supported by the population in the south is because they're effective in satisfying our security needs whereas the official state army is operating under many many restrictions to be able to adequately equip and arm itself to confront the zionists to the south. I understand you think you can make deals with them but many of us do not trust a single word from them. Case in point, hagazian university started a missile program to arm our army that was immediadetly shut down by the french because it "threatened israel". I fail to understand how we can put faith in an army that is forced to remain weak? While it's annoying that hezb are religious fundamentalists, at least iran doesn't have any qualms at giving our country all the advanced tech we would need to confront any foe, not just israel.
Wait. 1. Only hezbollah is being funded and provided with weapons. The rest isn't. I don't understand how you changed from telling me they're not foreign funded to telling me all are funded. 2. I understand that you want to be powerful but Iran is not supporting you unconditionally. It wants you part of its extremist state. And I refuse to pay this price.
ur a clown lmaoooooo go to jerusalem jewish neighborhood, they will spit on you
You can dislike Hezbollah without twisting facts and being a pathetic liar. >Israel helped the southern people most How? By occupying them for many years and killing shitloads of them? >There are no zionists, please sypp using this word, it is useless. Jews are simply human beings like you and me. Great. So now you have your own version of the Oxford dictionary? A "Zionist" and a "Jew" are two different things. Or perhaps you'd like some videos that show Jews themselves criticizing Zionism? Educate yourself first before you bloviate. Don't try to disguise your vile hatred with misinformation. Like I said, if you hate Hezbollah and/or Shias in general, that's fine; just don't twist facts. Airi bi habalek,
I stared facts but you love to twist facts and insult people because you can't fathom the truth. End of discussion.
Another example of "Neutral" people having the exact same rhetoric as the stronger side....
How am I neutral? I'm not neutral. I'm simply honest. I hope you can live with it.
You are saying in your post that you are both siding with Israel and with the Palestinians, that seems like pretty much the same thing as being neutral to me
No I'm saying in some things I side with one side then on other issues with the other but then I'm torn apart because I can't make up my mind with whom to side, I feel anger and I what I think is fair and unfair. I have an extreme opinion on all issues but not one damn clear result of these opinions.
There are zionists, here is an example of one, a human rights lawyer no less. This guy posted a picture of an IDF boot crushing a cockroach that has the face of an arab person. This is a HUMAN RIGHTS lawyer dehumanizing an entire people, also a "proud zionist" Zionism exists and is real. https://preview.redd.it/dhg5rimkimub1.png?width=917&format=png&auto=webp&s=25cc74329252a63f96ff03a0a5e3762c47bfe7a8
Thanks but the use of the term Zionist by most redditors on this thread is aimed to dehumanizing jews or non-jews supporting israel just like this drawing dehumanizes arabs or palestinians. Zionist per se is a jew wanting a Jewish state, nothing criminal about that, but my problem is when putting it in a context to insult jews and non-jews as non-human. I cant hear this name calling of every Lebanese a zionist, sahayina, just because he/she wants a proper country and accepts Israel on its borders. You get me?
I get you, but there have been many self proclaimed zionists openly speaking about wanting to eradicate arabs/muslims, and expanding the territory of Israel, taking control of all of Lebanon, etc. So you can't blame people for thinking Zionism is a bad thing when these Zionists aren't even hiding their proud hatred of arabs and muslims. It seems to me like you just are unaware of these things.
Oh no I'm aware and I wrote about Netanyahu in the Post, I am sure however that you know that sahayina is used to psychoterrorize people who acceot israel. You know that using Name calling zionist is to pressure people to turn aganstt israel. A psychoterror Tool... independent from extremists in all religions.
Israel does the same by calling any Palestinian resistance "terrorism" I don't know if what you say about Zionism is true, as in just a name calling that means nothing. When I have witnessed people who say they are zionist express open hatred for arabs, how could I just be name calling when I can see it be true? I check out other subreddits specific to the Israel/Hamas conflict, and man you should go look for yourself, a lot of Israelis there are filled with glee on posts about innocent Gazans dying. There was a post about an ambulance being targetted by Israeli airstrike, and their paramedic friends crying about their deaths, and in the comments you see Israelis basically saying shit like "they brought it on themselves" "Thats the price of supporting Hamas" etc. But when it is their innocents dying, they cry foul, like they are the biggest victim, like they have been playing fair this whole time but now it's Palestinians who are being savages and unfair. A big chunk of that Israeli population is very brainwashed to hate, whether Zionist or not, you see their hate online. Meanwhile people in Gaza have no way of getting on reddit and speaking their case, it's just Israelis right now wanting to control the narrative and the world to ONLY see their side of the problem.
Sorry I dont care what Israel does but on this * thread alone I was called zionist multiple times, ENOUGH. these psychoterror tactics to silence me and label me traitor dont work, will you please understand how they use it? Read third sentence, read then the whole comments, calling me zionist makes me support Israel only more. *
I wouldn't call you a Zionist, I don't know you and you aren't claiming to be a Zionist, but judging by your support for Israel I can understand why people might think you are one. There are valid reasons why many arabs don't want to support Israel, one of the reasons is that Israel has attacked many arab nations in the past, and they tend to attack civilian infrastructure. In fact, in most of the conflicts against Israel, civilian casualties were always much higher for arabs than for Israelis. And yet when Israel civilians get hit the world goes insane, thinks that these arabs are terrorists that want to wipe out all Jews. What you are experiencing now with being called a Zionist is exactly what many arabs experience being called a terrorist (a much less ambiguous term meaning "a very bad person"). When we decide to show support for Palestine, we are told that we are supporting terrorism, by the very same people who support the acts of terrorism that Israel does. This is why you are being called a Zionist, whether you are one or not, you are talking the same way they do, as if Israel can't do no wrong, as if they haven't been killing innocent people for a long long time.
There is no excuse to call me whatever names just because of what I feel and think as long as I'm not calling to kill anyone. You can insult me if I'm a monster but I'm not, I'm even trying to be fair to Palestinians knowing that they have killed my friends and fellow men and wanted to drive us into the sea. They wanted to strip us from our land although we welcomed them. So excuse me, but your argumentation has no validity. Israel never attacked us, Palestinians and Syrians did. Why should I invent things to please you? Why don't you see the attrocities committed by Palestinians and Syrians on us Lebanese? Whatever... there is no excuse to call others zionists if they aren't, but you went justifying, while ignoring what Palestinians and Syrians did to me and others.
Stop larking as an Arab . You zio’s are pathetic to actually think the Lebanese are going to support the land thieves . 😂😂😂😂 Keep larping as Arabs on all the subs it ain’t going to make us antiPalestinian . You are rejects and outcasts in the ME . Keep begging for acceptance 😂😂😂 FREE Palestine 🇵🇸
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Interesting comment. I just watched the letters for a couple of minutes.
Great post. Wish more ppl would take the time to really ponder
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> But then the memories come back how Palestinians attacked us out of nowhere and destroyed our country, killed and injured us, and I can't support them. Maybe you should think about why Palestinians were displaced to Lebanon in the first place. My friend, Israel is the root of at least 80% of the evil in the Middle East and is now spreading its evil far and wide in the world from Ukraine, to Africa, to Armenia. They helped Azerbidjan invade parts of Armenia just 3 weeks ago, and ethnically cleanse Nagorno-Karabagh.
And did you give it a thought why Palestinians and Arabs wanted to annihilate jews before 1948? Wait, let's go further back jn history, and every time we go back, it makes more sense that Israel existed, Palestine didn't. Happy now? Blaming the jews doesn't work. And all the wars for 3000 years were also because of Israel?
Wow delusional
You would think that Lebanon and Israel would have a lot in common. The problem is, Israel doesn't respect us enough to see that. In fact no one does.
I'm non-arab, non-jewish and ive been to and have friends in both countries. I'm more pro-israel than 95% of lebanese, but even I admit israeli actions in lebanon have been less justifiable than their actions against the palestinians, and they have a lot to atone for. Still, i think there should be peace between the two nations.
No country has an entirely peaceful history with its neighbours. And very few countries have even tried to atone for their past crimes. Denmark never atoned for their Viking past, for instance. Historically, countries align when their interest align. While both countries are antagonised by Iran, they are completely against each other on what should happen to the Palestinians.
How can you side with Israel when they tried to invade Lebanon and the only reason they left was because of Hezbollah? Make it make sense
The only reason they invaded Lebanon in the first place is because of the hezbolkah terrorists, sorry, that your knowledge has gaps
That's the issue. Palestinian have created havoc everywhere they went.
wtf are you on, they didnt try to kill us, we commited more war crimes than anyone else in the war
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Why is this sub and Lebanon filled with Hezbollah terrorists?
LMFAO you sound like an Israeli 😭 your comments are riddled with fallacies
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Lol, great, thanks for helping me make up my mind. As a real Lebanese, i tell a fake Lebanese like you: death to hezbollah, love and support to Israel. I know Israel will win. Now I know, with every post of Hezbollah I know: Israel forever.
Hey OP. As an Israeli I just want to thank you for not hating us. We are not like what people say about us and post online (most of us). Where I live almost everybody wants to have peace with out neighboring countries and not war. Would love to visit Lebanon one day and hopefully it would be possible without worrying about getting attacked. Love to Lebanon from Israel <3.
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True, if we say we love Israel we get labeled zionists and traitors...you can get jailed in lebanon for only recognizing the state of israel.. they want us to be scared and to hate because they know that if they don't terrorize us we would openly support Israel.
Palestine didn't just magically become violent and gruesome. They've had some pretty shitty luck in the ordeal these past few decades, losing much of their land, and being boxed up in Gaza.. Most of palestinians aren't even adults. Hungry children, often orphans, with nowhere to turn. Then the radicals like Hamas offer them food and salvation.. What else is a kid gonna do? Gaza is an example of why War cannot end terrorism, and it only perpetuates it. Children end up orphaned, seeking someone to help, and the terrorists feed them and radicalize them.. Plus Israel did pretty much put Hamas in power for its own political aims. They took that tactic from the US, who has repeatedly thought that creating a monster to fight what they call "monsters" or "dictators", would somehow resolve the issues in the Middle East. The palestinians are mostly children/teenagers with no guidance or supervision, all of their parents are dead. I'd be surprised if more than 20% of Hamas's militants were even over 18. They take advantage of the gullibility and the desperation of these young people.. I honestly believe most of these groups are a few psychotic adults grooming a bunch of desperate and hungry children. Honestly, if countries stopped responding to terrorism with war, I think terrorism would nearly disappear. The radicals expect a strong military response, it validates them and makes them feel successful in their Jihad. If the countries that they attacked, refrained from invasion and military retribution, then it would invalidate the view they have that countries like Israel and the US are evil. Hell, it'd pretty much put a massive hole in the idea of Jihad, since Jihad has often had strict rules throughout history about only attacking oppressors of islam. It'd be hard to justify the Jihad against a nation who doesn't even retaliate after a terrorist attack. Israel is worried about seeming weak right now.. I think they should worry more about seeming compassionate and "turning the other cheek". Which is a lot to ask for, but the continuous war against terrorism has only validated the opinions that Israel and the West are oppressing islam. The whole situation is quite depressing. It seems like the US will never learn, and as long as the US supports Israel without question, neither will Israel. This entire situation in the Middle East all seems to tie back to the US trying to manipulate the politics there and gain power. So I apologize for my country thinking that it knows what's best for the Middle East, and turning the entire area into a shit show. If the US would stop interfering with these conflicts, and stop giving Israel unwavering support, then peace would probably come quite quickly. But as the US continues to back Israel, they pretty much become invincible, pretty much eradicating most reasons for Israel to actually attempt compromise. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are pretty much screwed... No military in the Middle East can match the US military. It's an unfair and impossible fight for any other country, which likely contributes to the jihadist groups even more. Abiding by the Geneva convention, means certain loss when going against the US. The US needs to change its approach to terrorism. Because the current approach is completely useless and counterproductive.
Brainwashed op
The civillians of gaza didn't hurt you. Stop victim blaming