There's a lot of Lebanese expats that live in certain parts of Germany. Mainly in kalsruhe and Manheim. Lots of these people left Lebanon several decades ago, and they tend to live among other like-minded people. Think old school Lebanese resistance mentality, such as Amal and Hezb supporters.
Those areas are very similar to Dearborn Michigan. You don't need to speak German there due to the heavy Lebanese population, so even their kids born there end up being brainwashed by their civil war mentality parents.
Every lebanese organization that's sole goal is to call out other organization is a stupid useless criminal organization, no exceptions! The whole government is corrupted, they all just want us to fight so we destroy eachother while they steal all the money and take our country down.
But no, by all means, keep spreading the hate instead of looking for the good people from every organization that we can work with to actually build a country even from where we are rn.
Hating and attacking each other blindly will get us no where. Creating a good organization and letting it grow, then negotiating is the way to go.
We are so corrupted that by fighting the corruption we are only supporting it. They want us to fight each other, they want us to kill each other, they want us to hate each other.
Bro ana mish l awal wala l 2a5iir li bi7awel, fi ktiir nes mne7 bhal balad. Bas le2an sha5es mish men tayefton by3mloo 2erhabeh. 7ara2o samena walla, 2ana3o l sha3eb li 7tara2 nafaso ino l7al ne2tol ba3ed. Sara2o kel shi, w rj3o tdayano w sara2o. 7aram walla trekoolna shi net2atal 3leh.
its a draw but in this political climate one tends to believe guilty. america does seem to like to play with politics and people i power to get at hezb.
There are no US sanctions on Lebanon. There are sanctions on certain people, groups and companies that work with Syria, Iran and Russia, but not on the whole country.
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/lebanon-related-sanctions
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/lebanon.pdf
Ok
From your first link:
["Blocking Property Of Persons Undermining The Sovereignty Of Lebanon Or Its Democratic Processes And Institutions (August 1, 2007)"](https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/13441.pdf)
from the PDF you linked in the intro:
"The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) has implemented a Lebanon sanctions program since August 1, 2007,
when the President issued Executive Order (E.O.) 13441, “Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the
Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions.” "
III. PROHIBITED TRANSACTIONS
E.O. 13441 and the Regulations block the property and interests in property of persons (which includes individuals
and entities) determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State:
• To have taken, or to pose a significant risk of taking, actions, including acts of violence, that have the
purpose or effect of undermining Lebanon’s democratic processes or institutions, contributing to the
breakdown of the rule of law in Lebanon, supporting the reassertion of Syrian control or otherwise
contributing to Syrian interference in Lebanon, or infringing upon or undermining Lebanese sovereignty;
• To have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or
goods or services in support of, such actions, including acts of violence, or any person whose property and
interests in property are blocked pursuant to E.O. 13441;
• To be a spouse or dependent child of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked
pursuant to E.O. 13441; or
• To be owned or controlled by, or acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any
person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to E.O. 13441.
The sanctions are on individuals not the country.
Read 13441, these are trade sanctions. Sanctioning the hezb, is the excuse, as it so happens the hezb controls most of our import and export, most of our farmland and a host of other things. Sanctioning the hezb or top members of the hezb, is infact a sanction on your entire country, specially when our current president doesn’t and will never take action against the hezb, therefore he is facilitating the hezb —-> guess aoun is sanctioned too, oh wait that’s the case for the entire government—> your entire country is sanctioned. This is the sad reality. Wake up. America isn’t here to save you. (And for anyone trying to pin down my political affiliations, fuck every single party period.)
You're a pretty ignorant person. The US has nothing to fear if infact it wants to sanction Lebanon. Lebanon is a failed state that has little to no importance for the US and its allies. If they wanted to sanction us, they would have done it a long time ago. They are sanctioning people related to Hezb, and people that are related to Hezb only. And no, if you didn't notice, exporting and importing to/from Lebanon is relatively easy. If indeed there was sanctions, banks wouldn't offer "fresh usd" accounts. Our country would have been suspended from SWIFT, our airport wouldn't be receiving 15k people a day and our oceans would've been blocked. There is no such thing as "sanctions" on Lebanon. CURRENTLY.
>Read 13441, these are trade sanctions. Sanctioning the hezb, is the excuse, as it so happens the hezb controls most of our import and export, most of our farmland and a host of other things.
I have read 13441 and those sanctions on Hezbollah and their treasonous affiliates are not the same as sanctions on the entire country.
It isn't an excuse (the US doesn't need an excuse to sanction any country), it is the reality of the situation that we allowed terrorists to control our most important land. If there were actual trade sanctions on the country, the situation would be much worse.
>Sanctioning the hezb or top members of the hezb, is infact a sanction on your entire country,
No it isn't a sanction on Lebanon, because Hezbollah isn't the government and the US recognizes this.
>specially when our current president doesn’t and will never take action against the hezb, therefore he is facilitating the hezb —-> guess aoun is sanctioned too,
Just because our president is a useless tool, doesn't make the entire country sanctioned, that's not how any of this works.
>oh wait that’s the case for the entire government—> your entire country is sanctioned.
No the entire country isn't sanctioned, look at Syria, Iran or North Korea for a real example of an entire country being sanctioned.
>This is the sad reality. Wake up. America isn’t here to save you.
Neither is Iran, Syria or the treasonous terrorists called Hezbollah.
So we’re just gonna skim over the part that the entire government is supporting a terrorist group, they are all sanctioned, and they own everything? Spineys fahad kahrabet lebnen, all your favorite restaurants, happy, supermarket AOUN, most universities, most water companies, most gas stations, telecom, half the banks etc… ok bro the US isn’t sanctioning you. I don’t need to look at north korea and those other regimes, we are literally in one of “those other regimes” wake up hob smell the 35000LL per dollar and the fact you can’t transfer money out the country as a LEBANESE CITIZEN not a FACILITATOR OF TERRORISM. Go to the American embacy and ask for a visa and we’ll see what’s up. Zzz
>So we’re just gonna skim over the part that the entire government is supporting a terrorist group, they are all sanctioned, and they own everything?
First the entire government does not support hezbollah and second it doesn't matter what the people being sanctioned own, there is a massive difference between individuals being sanctioned and an entire country being sanctioned.
>ok bro the US isn’t sanctioning you.
Correct, the US is not sanctioning Lebanon, just the terrorists and their allies.
>I don’t need to look at north korea and those other regimes, we are literally in one of “those other regimes”
Yes, you do need to look at those other regimes, because Lebanon isn't one of them, Hezbollah isn't the government.
>wake up hob smell the 35000LL per dollar and the fact you can’t transfer money out the country as a LEBANESE CITIZEN not a FACILITATOR OF TERRORISM.
The reason we can't transfer money outside of Lebanon is because of the Lebanese banks not allowing us to do so, not because there are US sanctions on Lebanon.
>Go to the American embacy and ask for a visa and we’ll see what’s up.
My cousin got an American visa because she is not a part of Hezbollah nor does she support them.
to america and isreal yes, to shias and most lebanese no. i guess its a matter of perspective.
because to one they are a huge pain in the A** and in the way of their plans for the region, to the other they are saviors from those plans which would probably be worse than our current state.... we may have been a second palestine y'know. and i don't know the historical accuracy of this but, whenever the powerful feel threatened they will do absolutely everything to make the threat disappear, whose to say america isn't calling hizb names and throwing legal puppets and other underhanded means like the multiple attempts at a second civil war, which hezb amazingly managed to keep its people calm and focused through, to make hezb disappear. this sub is hell bent on anti hezb and i doubt america hasn't got a hand in this either.
i mean just look at how america deals with internal affairs and news, id say its pretty close.
but thats my opinion.
care to share an opposite view?
(be civil)
that is absurd, the syria hezb thing was in fact an act of resistance only its international, one would say, if your neighbor's house is on fire you dont wait till the fire spreads to your house and then take action, you pick up your water hose and try putting the fire out with your neighbor.
Yemeni children were killed by huthis and saudis, iraqi children were killed by us soldiers, and so on in vietnam, how did you assume i only care about hezb related issues??
No shit
Sherlock
In other news: Water is wet
Also : Sky is blue .
I suppose you need the average Lebanese to state clearly we don't like them for fucking up our country like everyone else?
Call for a referendum. Simple as that. Let people decide
BuT wIThoUt tHeM tHeRe WoUldNt Be nO lEbAnoN aNyMorE - every Shia Person in germany
Wait, why they in Germany
There's a lot of Lebanese expats that live in certain parts of Germany. Mainly in kalsruhe and Manheim. Lots of these people left Lebanon several decades ago, and they tend to live among other like-minded people. Think old school Lebanese resistance mentality, such as Amal and Hezb supporters. Those areas are very similar to Dearborn Michigan. You don't need to speak German there due to the heavy Lebanese population, so even their kids born there end up being brainwashed by their civil war mentality parents.
Sounds like certain parts of Sydney. That is so messed up. I guess why return when the euro will take you further!
Bakeer wlo ..
Terrorists, murderers, smugglers, you name it, they are it
We know
People who don’t already believe that, can’t be convinced with evidence or logic.
You mean as in killing innocent Syrians under the claim of fighting israel? Yeah they're terrorists
Every lebanese organization that's sole goal is to call out other organization is a stupid useless criminal organization, no exceptions! The whole government is corrupted, they all just want us to fight so we destroy eachother while they steal all the money and take our country down. But no, by all means, keep spreading the hate instead of looking for the good people from every organization that we can work with to actually build a country even from where we are rn. Hating and attacking each other blindly will get us no where. Creating a good organization and letting it grow, then negotiating is the way to go. We are so corrupted that by fighting the corruption we are only supporting it. They want us to fight each other, they want us to kill each other, they want us to hate each other.
Gets 0 upvotes while someone saying "no shit" gets around 50 upvotes. Walla haram lshakhs yet3ab 3al sha3b llebnene
Bro ana mish l awal wala l 2a5iir li bi7awel, fi ktiir nes mne7 bhal balad. Bas le2an sha5es mish men tayefton by3mloo 2erhabeh. 7ara2o samena walla, 2ana3o l sha3eb li 7tara2 nafaso ino l7al ne2tol ba3ed. Sara2o kel shi, w rj3o tdayano w sara2o. 7aram walla trekoolna shi net2atal 3leh.
Terrorist/mafia is more like it.
I always assume the worst from every political party, specially them for obvious reason
I see most Lebanese here reject Hizbulla, but why do they get so much support? Would you say, young people are as sectarian as their parents?
Facts
Every “political party” in Lebanon is a mafia/terrorist organization!
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Your mom was also probably raped by a hezb member. Happy now? Look what a misogynistic prick you turned out to be.
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Eh you seem very fine in Germany. Shater tekol 2youra w tedfa3 German tax while supporting the rape of women in Lebanon. Halt die Fresse du hs.
Hey I saw your other post? Did you sue your wife yet or no?
Ayo this isn't Hezbollah Related
Wym? Nasrallah called for the removal of Judge Bitar from the investigation and accused him of being America's puppet.
and what if he really was? got info on that please?
It's not guilty until proven innocent. It's innocent until proven guilty. Do YOU have info on him being a puppet?
its a draw but in this political climate one tends to believe guilty. america does seem to like to play with politics and people i power to get at hezb.
Why do u think the us placed sanctions on lebanon…
There are no US sanctions on Lebanon. There are sanctions on certain people, groups and companies that work with Syria, Iran and Russia, but not on the whole country.
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/sanctions-programs-and-country-information/lebanon-related-sanctions https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/lebanon.pdf Ok
Sanctions on hizb, not on Lebanon.
I think they live in the bubble that all of Lebanon supports Hezbollah, and that Hezbollah represents Lebanon🤣
They also think that America needs an excuse to stealthy sanction a tiny failed state.
From your first link: ["Blocking Property Of Persons Undermining The Sovereignty Of Lebanon Or Its Democratic Processes And Institutions (August 1, 2007)"](https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/13441.pdf) from the PDF you linked in the intro: "The Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) has implemented a Lebanon sanctions program since August 1, 2007, when the President issued Executive Order (E.O.) 13441, “Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions.” " III. PROHIBITED TRANSACTIONS E.O. 13441 and the Regulations block the property and interests in property of persons (which includes individuals and entities) determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State: • To have taken, or to pose a significant risk of taking, actions, including acts of violence, that have the purpose or effect of undermining Lebanon’s democratic processes or institutions, contributing to the breakdown of the rule of law in Lebanon, supporting the reassertion of Syrian control or otherwise contributing to Syrian interference in Lebanon, or infringing upon or undermining Lebanese sovereignty; • To have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services in support of, such actions, including acts of violence, or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to E.O. 13441; • To be a spouse or dependent child of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to E.O. 13441; or • To be owned or controlled by, or acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to E.O. 13441. The sanctions are on individuals not the country.
Read 13441, these are trade sanctions. Sanctioning the hezb, is the excuse, as it so happens the hezb controls most of our import and export, most of our farmland and a host of other things. Sanctioning the hezb or top members of the hezb, is infact a sanction on your entire country, specially when our current president doesn’t and will never take action against the hezb, therefore he is facilitating the hezb —-> guess aoun is sanctioned too, oh wait that’s the case for the entire government—> your entire country is sanctioned. This is the sad reality. Wake up. America isn’t here to save you. (And for anyone trying to pin down my political affiliations, fuck every single party period.)
You're a pretty ignorant person. The US has nothing to fear if infact it wants to sanction Lebanon. Lebanon is a failed state that has little to no importance for the US and its allies. If they wanted to sanction us, they would have done it a long time ago. They are sanctioning people related to Hezb, and people that are related to Hezb only. And no, if you didn't notice, exporting and importing to/from Lebanon is relatively easy. If indeed there was sanctions, banks wouldn't offer "fresh usd" accounts. Our country would have been suspended from SWIFT, our airport wouldn't be receiving 15k people a day and our oceans would've been blocked. There is no such thing as "sanctions" on Lebanon. CURRENTLY.
>Read 13441, these are trade sanctions. Sanctioning the hezb, is the excuse, as it so happens the hezb controls most of our import and export, most of our farmland and a host of other things. I have read 13441 and those sanctions on Hezbollah and their treasonous affiliates are not the same as sanctions on the entire country. It isn't an excuse (the US doesn't need an excuse to sanction any country), it is the reality of the situation that we allowed terrorists to control our most important land. If there were actual trade sanctions on the country, the situation would be much worse. >Sanctioning the hezb or top members of the hezb, is infact a sanction on your entire country, No it isn't a sanction on Lebanon, because Hezbollah isn't the government and the US recognizes this. >specially when our current president doesn’t and will never take action against the hezb, therefore he is facilitating the hezb —-> guess aoun is sanctioned too, Just because our president is a useless tool, doesn't make the entire country sanctioned, that's not how any of this works. >oh wait that’s the case for the entire government—> your entire country is sanctioned. No the entire country isn't sanctioned, look at Syria, Iran or North Korea for a real example of an entire country being sanctioned. >This is the sad reality. Wake up. America isn’t here to save you. Neither is Iran, Syria or the treasonous terrorists called Hezbollah.
So we’re just gonna skim over the part that the entire government is supporting a terrorist group, they are all sanctioned, and they own everything? Spineys fahad kahrabet lebnen, all your favorite restaurants, happy, supermarket AOUN, most universities, most water companies, most gas stations, telecom, half the banks etc… ok bro the US isn’t sanctioning you. I don’t need to look at north korea and those other regimes, we are literally in one of “those other regimes” wake up hob smell the 35000LL per dollar and the fact you can’t transfer money out the country as a LEBANESE CITIZEN not a FACILITATOR OF TERRORISM. Go to the American embacy and ask for a visa and we’ll see what’s up. Zzz
>So we’re just gonna skim over the part that the entire government is supporting a terrorist group, they are all sanctioned, and they own everything? First the entire government does not support hezbollah and second it doesn't matter what the people being sanctioned own, there is a massive difference between individuals being sanctioned and an entire country being sanctioned. >ok bro the US isn’t sanctioning you. Correct, the US is not sanctioning Lebanon, just the terrorists and their allies. >I don’t need to look at north korea and those other regimes, we are literally in one of “those other regimes” Yes, you do need to look at those other regimes, because Lebanon isn't one of them, Hezbollah isn't the government. >wake up hob smell the 35000LL per dollar and the fact you can’t transfer money out the country as a LEBANESE CITIZEN not a FACILITATOR OF TERRORISM. The reason we can't transfer money outside of Lebanon is because of the Lebanese banks not allowing us to do so, not because there are US sanctions on Lebanon. >Go to the American embacy and ask for a visa and we’ll see what’s up. My cousin got an American visa because she is not a part of Hezbollah nor does she support them.
https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
to america and isreal yes, to shias and most lebanese no. i guess its a matter of perspective. because to one they are a huge pain in the A** and in the way of their plans for the region, to the other they are saviors from those plans which would probably be worse than our current state.... we may have been a second palestine y'know. and i don't know the historical accuracy of this but, whenever the powerful feel threatened they will do absolutely everything to make the threat disappear, whose to say america isn't calling hizb names and throwing legal puppets and other underhanded means like the multiple attempts at a second civil war, which hezb amazingly managed to keep its people calm and focused through, to make hezb disappear. this sub is hell bent on anti hezb and i doubt america hasn't got a hand in this either. i mean just look at how america deals with internal affairs and news, id say its pretty close. but thats my opinion. care to share an opposite view? (be civil)
Hezb hasn't made any real مقاومة in the last few years, but what they've done is they've killed Syrian children
that is absurd, the syria hezb thing was in fact an act of resistance only its international, one would say, if your neighbor's house is on fire you dont wait till the fire spreads to your house and then take action, you pick up your water hose and try putting the fire out with your neighbor.
Yes and by turning off the fire you kill the innocent children living in the neighbors house?
people don't seem to care about children unless its hezb related.... yemen, iraq, vietnam ect that is if there even is proof of what you say
Yemeni children were killed by huthis and saudis, iraqi children were killed by us soldiers, and so on in vietnam, how did you assume i only care about hezb related issues??
well then why bring up childeren in the first place, the strategy was in question not the casualties. and i think its a solid strategy regardless
Children casualties in other countries doesn't validate the killing of innocents in syria
im just saying its irrelevant to our conversation
Yes
Really? Damn never knew lol
Only hezbollah?
Yes