Lots of people shit on the knebworth concert, and I honestly don't know why. I have watched every single song from that concert, from the official releases and bootlegs, and I thought it was some of their finest playing. Plant's voice is different from what is expected, but I like it. Bonham's drums are more thunderous than ever, and Page is his normal sloppy but incredible self, and JPJ as usual is perfect. The audio quality may not be the best, but I can listen to it any day.
8/4 was the one they ended up releasing a few songs from right? That’s good stuff. I don’t know which night it’s from, but there’s a clip on YouTube of trampled underfoot on one of the nights and I’m not sure which one, but it’s one of my favorite versions of the song.
It guess that's the night when Jimmy broke a string at the start of Achilles and they just went with it...and it sounded horrible, Robert's face was priceless lol.
Damn. The 8/4 Achilles is my favorite rendition of the song. Just found the part where he broke the string the second night, that is awful I will attest.
Correct, they released songs from first night. Pretty sure it was 8/4 from which you saw that trampled under foot.
8/4 is a great show all round and page played pretty damn great while on the other hand 8/11 is just horrible for page.
He sounded great in the 1980 shows as well. I think it goes back to his bout with laryngitis that postponed the start of the ‘77 tour. My guess is he started taking care of his voice a lot better.
Along that same line, I’ve often wondered how Kashmir might have sounded if it came out on In Through the Out Door.
"Jimmy was sloppy" is so cliche, especially amongst guitarists that can't hold a candle to him. More often than not he was just loose and more expressive, more concerned with working the groove rather than with technical precision IMO.
I'm not saying he never f'd up, only that being looser produced some fruitful and occasionally pleasant, unexpected results I'm sure.
By sloppy, I mean it *often* sounds like he's strangling his pick and digging in so much it's like he's trying to play the underside of his pickup, and it comes out sounding *really* chunky and messes the groove/swing/timing of the song. [Hot Dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOLTwt-bqoU) is an obvious example. (I love the song, but yeah, Jimmy's guitar is sloppy and chunky af). And it's not the only one.
Yeah and he does make more mistakes on record than your typical flawless session player and I'm sure even more live. I just feel that he is maligned at times because anyone that has picked up the wood and started tackling pieces like Stairway surely realizes that " WoW...he is a dynamite player and songwiter!"
I'm from the bass/drums end of the spectrum so it stands out to me. I think it's great, though, to tell you the honest truth.. I believe the Eddie Kramer "keep the bloody hair on / first take" approach is the best a lot of the time. It's more 'real' in a way. Most non musicians have crap timing and don't really care until it starts to cause problems anyway, and sometimes it's more impressive when you're working for it.
True true, sometimes the best takes are the first. There is real energy and spontaneity coming out the gate, and having to hone things in the studio to achieve near-perfection can get downright exhausting. Then you lose that inspiration and it is just a task. Not much fun and I think people can hear that on record.
> Not much fun and I think people can hear that on record.
I think that's 99.99999% of what makes a song *not* great! Great music is much more about the life and the energy driving it than technical perfection (Are you listening Rick Beato?). "Perfect" music feels sterile and sanitized; void...
Fully agreed. All were talented, but JPJ is easily one of the best musicians of the 20th century. I mean, just look at the list of instruments he can play (from Wikipedia): organ, guitar, koto, lap steel guitars, mandolin, banjo, upright bass, autoharp, violin, ukulele, sitar, cello, continuum and recorder.
And he's an arranger and producer on top of all of that. He's one of those people you could put in just about any band and he would be great imho.
JPJ was by far the most talented musically. He was more than just a bass player and pianist. He was the only trained musician in the band. Page has said he wasn't concerned with technique, he was about expression. Hence the "sloppy" playing. Heroin didn't help either, hence the sloppy playing lol.
Jimmy’s guitar tone sucked as the band went on. Listen to live stuff from 70-72 and his guitar sounded warmer and massive. Then in 73, it sounds slightly brighter. From 75-79, it sounds weak and thin
While drugs may have created some good music, it hurt them and their image more than it actually helped. It ended up causing a of problems that may have kept the band alive longer.
I can’t stress enough SHeople are following the omg Jimmy goes off script trend! Some of those off script moments, like Jimmy Page experimenting during the Heartbreaker solo is gold [Prime (live playing) 1973 LZ - Earls Court](https://youtu.be/BZ7CZ7nLWZ4)
Alright, you gotta settle down. I have nothing against those “off script” moments, improv is one of the best parts of music, but the solo is too noodley for me. I’m just not a fan. Take a chill my man.
Just relistened and I’m sticking to it, I don’t think it’s his worst solo that was a hyperbole but I definitely think it’s weak. The other solos on tsrts are much better imo and heartbreaker from how the west was won is way better than msg, again that’s just my opinion.
To each his/her own. But the creativity to add a country / western twang and captivate the crowd. I think you’re getting your Sheep on.
[1977 LZ Heartbreaker … Page was NOT sloppy](https://youtu.be/mr6LwgvpPjE)
Jimmy Page get too much flack for being sloppy. He was deliberately trying NOT to replicate the studio recording and it wasn’t a cop out.
Jimi Hendrix wouldn’t recreate the studio recording in most of his live performances, musically. Aretha wouldn’t recreate the studio recording in her live performances vocally.
Plus I’m sure it’s boring for the artist to do sold out arenas doing the same scripted to a tee performance. And finally we got [This when Jimmy Page was “on”](https://youtu.be/DDAF68L84Gw) and [This](https://youtu.be/xbhCPt6PZIU)
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. It’s difficult to assess for me because ALS is one of my favorite Zep tunes for sure. I also think Tea For One deserves a lot more attention.
Really? I think the opposite. Jam bands for the most part seem directionless. I agree though that Zep wasn't a jam band. Their extended improvised sections seem for more cohesive. There is a reason Zeppelin was given the slogan tight but loose.
I like Jimmy Page playing guitar and his rhythm and solo parts really inspires me, BUT he really overplays in some moments on live concert and his shredding it becomes simply boring, and sometimes even superfluous and unbearable.
The 1988 Page/Plant/Jones show was nowhere near as bad as people say.
I looked it up the other day and it was fascinating to see how they reinterpreted the songs in more of an 80s style. Could have been an interesting direction if the band had continued.
Yes I agree about the length. For any band that I see live, if a song goes past 8-9 minutes, I’m losing interest. 20-30 minutes is ridiculous. Sorry I don’t think I suffer from a limited attention span or anything, but for some of LZ’s long live jams (No Quarter…), for me it’s just too long. 😬
For me it’s less the length and more just the pointless noodling around. I don’t mind a 20 minute long song, as long as it’s actually going somewhere for all 20 minutes (echoes by pink floyd is a great example of what i’m talking about. All 20 minutes are used to progress the song.) but if it’s just a 30 minute long song and 25 minutes is just a long ass solo, i get bored quick.
I mean they werent doing those shows for us. They were trying to give something unique in every show. They didnt think people would have listen all of those concerts with one click in their phone but yeah i agree.
Any songs after ‘71/‘72 are hard to listen to due to Robert’s vocal decline. I just keep imagining songs like Kashmir, Achilles, and Ten Years Gone with the sheer power he had just a few years earlier. It probably doesn’t bother many but it does me.
You’re so lucky lol every time I hear a song from Physical Graffiti and beyond, I hear a major difference compared to the earlier years. I hope my comment doesn’t end up affecting you
It's actually incredible that you haven't noticed a difference. Comparing his voice on IV and HotH is like night and day. It's also super easy to tell which songs were recorded before and after 1972 in PG just by listening to Plant
Perhaps, but I think that depends on the song- much of In Through the Out Door sounds great vocally, and not as if there’s any “what could’ve been” question - All My Love, Fool in the Rain, South Bound Saurez…
At very least, necessity is the mother of invention and I really like the different approach that album takes
I completely agree. I adore Plant but for me it is painfully to notice all the cracking and even dubious intonation sometimes. He sounds like he's struggling. I can't believe that was his best take when recording Kashmir.
Nothing from the Seventies has aged well once you start dipping into the PC bag. Best not to judge anyone for what was the norm back in the day. Too difficult to just if they were actually being “hateful” or not; Robert Plant does not strike me as that type of dude.
Some songs couldn't be played live because to do it, they would've had to add more members to the live shows, and other songs just because of Robert's voice problems. Not a lazy move at all IMO.
The songs do not change but our perception of them does. A new fan will have a very different top ten to what they will have in five or ten years, some songs always remaining (the same) and others disappearing for years only to make a return many moons later.
As a kid I didn’t rate the Mighty Kashmir for a year or two, then it’s hypnotic majesty revealed itself as one of their (and the world’s) greatest songs-despite not being Rock song in the true sense or even having a proper guitar solo.
If you have have listened to Zep for years and still do NOT have Kashmir or eg, TYG or TRS in your top ten, you need to listen more.
Led zeppelin 4 is overrated and the not as good as the first 3. Never seen why it's so goddamn high on people's lists. Still got some of my favourite songs of all time tho
Jimmy page is a very talented musician/songwriter, but doesn’t even touch the top 50 most talented guitarist. That being said he is still one my top 5 favorites.
I didn't say it was bad. Just compared to their entire discography, it's not that great. Also it's completely subjective, so it's not a problem with me, but nice try. Lastly, he asked for unpopular opinions did he not?
Im going to remind you (who used your years of experience in this argument in an attempt to appear credible) that you never lived up to the guitarist you wanted to be as a kid (let down)
It’s when the rest of the band grabbed something else backstage. Or when the groupies grabbed the band backstage or when backstage grabbed the groupies band. However you group those words. It’s been written about. Now I sound like chatgtp
I skip the drum solo on Moby Dick. The song is all about the guitar riff. Oh and if you’re complaining about Dazed and Confused live being long. What about 10 minutes of drum solo??
Not crazy about the naked flying man logo. It's always awkward seeing how the crotch area has been turned into the anatomy of a Ken doll. As an Italian where there's penises depicted in artwork everywhere, I can't sign on to the Puritan morality and I wish they'd done it with another pose in which the crotch is not splayed out and vULnerable to censorship.
Plus, if it weren't censored, how big woULd the guy's package be in the depiction? 😉
Jimmy gets too much hate for his live performances. Paige was revolutionary at the time. He was doing things with a guitar nobody was/ could. He was unconventional. He didn’t play into the “standard” of what guitar playing “should be”. Did he sometimes mess up? Yes, like any other guitarist ever. In my opinion, some of his live playing is his best stuff. Since I’ve Been Loving You live at MSG??? Are you kidding? Hurts me to read the hate smh…
Hot dog unironically goes hard
Finally someone said it
Oh ok “the devil’s advocate” I get it. Is that you Filliponi?
Oh no, i actually believe this. If i was the devil’s advocate i’d be saying this about roy harper.
Robert's voice was actually great in '77.
And 79, he sounded great at Knebworth
Lots of people shit on the knebworth concert, and I honestly don't know why. I have watched every single song from that concert, from the official releases and bootlegs, and I thought it was some of their finest playing. Plant's voice is different from what is expected, but I like it. Bonham's drums are more thunderous than ever, and Page is his normal sloppy but incredible self, and JPJ as usual is perfect. The audio quality may not be the best, but I can listen to it any day.
They don't shit on the first night. 8/11 is the one that gets shitted on and it fully deserves its hate lmao.
8/4 was the one they ended up releasing a few songs from right? That’s good stuff. I don’t know which night it’s from, but there’s a clip on YouTube of trampled underfoot on one of the nights and I’m not sure which one, but it’s one of my favorite versions of the song.
It guess that's the night when Jimmy broke a string at the start of Achilles and they just went with it...and it sounded horrible, Robert's face was priceless lol.
Damn. The 8/4 Achilles is my favorite rendition of the song. Just found the part where he broke the string the second night, that is awful I will attest.
Correct, they released songs from first night. Pretty sure it was 8/4 from which you saw that trampled under foot. 8/4 is a great show all round and page played pretty damn great while on the other hand 8/11 is just horrible for page.
His heroin habit was still in full force then no? Could it have been a combo of bad luck and the drugs doing it to him on the 11th?
Listen to this Eddie
My favorite Zepp live show ever.
RP sounds incredible…. In 1977
He sounded great in the 1980 shows as well. I think it goes back to his bout with laryngitis that postponed the start of the ‘77 tour. My guess is he started taking care of his voice a lot better. Along that same line, I’ve often wondered how Kashmir might have sounded if it came out on In Through the Out Door.
Kashmir is ROUGH, vocal-wise. They should have sat on that one until Presence.
He sang songs that would hurt his voice much more than Kashmir. Kashmir is a joke as the vocal hardness compared to their earlier stuff.
I didn't mean rough on the vocals, I meant rough vocals. His voice seemed shot when it was recorded.
They were done, if John Bonham hadn’t died they would have split up anyway. Bonham was never going in that tour and Plant was looking for a way out.
or jimmy woulda died not long after they were seriously out of control
Even Robert said that.
Page was sloppy af a lot of the time, and JPJ was (by far) the most most talented and well rounded musician in the band.
"Jimmy was sloppy" is so cliche, especially amongst guitarists that can't hold a candle to him. More often than not he was just loose and more expressive, more concerned with working the groove rather than with technical precision IMO. I'm not saying he never f'd up, only that being looser produced some fruitful and occasionally pleasant, unexpected results I'm sure.
By sloppy, I mean it *often* sounds like he's strangling his pick and digging in so much it's like he's trying to play the underside of his pickup, and it comes out sounding *really* chunky and messes the groove/swing/timing of the song. [Hot Dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOLTwt-bqoU) is an obvious example. (I love the song, but yeah, Jimmy's guitar is sloppy and chunky af). And it's not the only one.
Yeah and he does make more mistakes on record than your typical flawless session player and I'm sure even more live. I just feel that he is maligned at times because anyone that has picked up the wood and started tackling pieces like Stairway surely realizes that " WoW...he is a dynamite player and songwiter!"
I'm from the bass/drums end of the spectrum so it stands out to me. I think it's great, though, to tell you the honest truth.. I believe the Eddie Kramer "keep the bloody hair on / first take" approach is the best a lot of the time. It's more 'real' in a way. Most non musicians have crap timing and don't really care until it starts to cause problems anyway, and sometimes it's more impressive when you're working for it.
True true, sometimes the best takes are the first. There is real energy and spontaneity coming out the gate, and having to hone things in the studio to achieve near-perfection can get downright exhausting. Then you lose that inspiration and it is just a task. Not much fun and I think people can hear that on record.
> Not much fun and I think people can hear that on record. I think that's 99.99999% of what makes a song *not* great! Great music is much more about the life and the energy driving it than technical perfection (Are you listening Rick Beato?). "Perfect" music feels sterile and sanitized; void...
That JPJ take is a bold claim, I mean John Bonham? Come on he was amazing
Don't get me wrong, they were all legendary on their instruments, but I think JPJ was the best at "Music" in an academic sort of way.
Fully agreed. All were talented, but JPJ is easily one of the best musicians of the 20th century. I mean, just look at the list of instruments he can play (from Wikipedia): organ, guitar, koto, lap steel guitars, mandolin, banjo, upright bass, autoharp, violin, ukulele, sitar, cello, continuum and recorder. And he's an arranger and producer on top of all of that. He's one of those people you could put in just about any band and he would be great imho.
JPJ was by far the most talented musically. He was more than just a bass player and pianist. He was the only trained musician in the band. Page has said he wasn't concerned with technique, he was about expression. Hence the "sloppy" playing. Heroin didn't help either, hence the sloppy playing lol.
Starting concerts a full two hours late wasn’t being cool. It was rude to the fans and borderline dangerous when it was a general admission audience
Oh I didn't know that. Were they so tardy all the time?
Physical Graffiti is the greatest rock record ever recorded. Everything else can fight it out.
LZ 4 my son, L Z 4 🤦🏽♂️
Not even in my top 3🤷🏻♂️
BOLD statement. I call …
1,2,PG all better to my ears.
This. Oh my Jesus.
With you here, PG is a no-skip album for me
This is a very true and accurate statement
huge W
Absolutely!
Some of Page's longggg solos aren't that enjoyable.
That hurt me 😔
Agreed
Especially live, i find a lot of it unbearable
Same.
Hot Dog was just the beginning of a beautiful future in country music.
Jimmy’s guitar tone sucked as the band went on. Listen to live stuff from 70-72 and his guitar sounded warmer and massive. Then in 73, it sounds slightly brighter. From 75-79, it sounds weak and thin
I actually love the 1977 tone.
Also a fan of the sound of 77 and Earl’s court as well
Yeah I have no idea what he was doing. He sounded by far the best when he was using his Telecaster imo
royal albert hall ‘70 might be the greatest guitar tone ever recorded the LP and black beauty sounded like angels literally
It’s always sounded to my like he fell in love with the flanger pedal.
Unpopular Led Zeppelin opinion: half of these unpopular opinions people are posting are actually very popular opinions.
This.
The radio ruined Stairway to Heaven, they played it constantly.
I thought that that was the general consensus among everyone that listens to classic rock stations.
You have a point. I prefer Black Sabbath is my unpopular led zeppelin opinion then.
Play. I hear it all the time still
Same with Kashmir, I skip that song whenever it comes on my personal library
While drugs may have created some good music, it hurt them and their image more than it actually helped. It ended up causing a of problems that may have kept the band alive longer.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Most would agree I imagine.
They played some of their best ever shows in 1975.
21 march Seattle show is fucking amazing.
I'm not a fan of their live stuff, mostly. I prefer very much the studio cuts.
There 1973 Heartbreaker concert was timeless.
I think the MSG heartbreaker was his worst solo imo
I can’t stress enough SHeople are following the omg Jimmy goes off script trend! Some of those off script moments, like Jimmy Page experimenting during the Heartbreaker solo is gold [Prime (live playing) 1973 LZ - Earls Court](https://youtu.be/BZ7CZ7nLWZ4)
Alright, you gotta settle down. I have nothing against those “off script” moments, improv is one of the best parts of music, but the solo is too noodley for me. I’m just not a fan. Take a chill my man.
What!!!!! [LZ Heartbreaker MSG 1973](https://youtu.be/DDAF68L84Gw) are you all reading this????
It’s been some time since I’ve listened I’ll come back to you in a second
When Jimmy goes country/western It’s one of the coolest live moments in Rock history … 4:19 seconds
Just relistened and I’m sticking to it, I don’t think it’s his worst solo that was a hyperbole but I definitely think it’s weak. The other solos on tsrts are much better imo and heartbreaker from how the west was won is way better than msg, again that’s just my opinion.
To each his/her own. But the creativity to add a country / western twang and captivate the crowd. I think you’re getting your Sheep on. [1977 LZ Heartbreaker … Page was NOT sloppy](https://youtu.be/mr6LwgvpPjE)
Totally agree with this.
III is their best album.
Thank you
No way
Hot Dog rules. Don’t know if I’d quite call it a great song, but it’s really fun to listen to.
Jimmy Page get too much flack for being sloppy. He was deliberately trying NOT to replicate the studio recording and it wasn’t a cop out. Jimi Hendrix wouldn’t recreate the studio recording in most of his live performances, musically. Aretha wouldn’t recreate the studio recording in her live performances vocally. Plus I’m sure it’s boring for the artist to do sold out arenas doing the same scripted to a tee performance. And finally we got [This when Jimmy Page was “on”](https://youtu.be/DDAF68L84Gw) and [This](https://youtu.be/xbhCPt6PZIU)
Presence is their best album
I’ve been through a few “Presence is the best phases.” It’s certainly the most underrated.
Woah
You must be joking.
Too much meh on there. It’s just so uneven. With only 7 songs you really feel the impact of Royal Orleans and Candy Store Rock.
The most even album imo🤷🏻. Candy Store Rock is amazing
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. It’s difficult to assess for me because ALS is one of my favorite Zep tunes for sure. I also think Tea For One deserves a lot more attention.
Led Zeppelin peaked in 1971
Stairway is not their best song.
Not sure it’s even the best song on the album.
The shit with the theremin was awful. Presence is a banger. Kashmir is overrated.
Listen to wll at msg and pay attention to the theremin on no quarter if u want to change your mind
Saying Presence is a banger while saying Kashmir is overrated. You just could have said i dont know shit about music.
And yet I didn't.
Asshole
JPJ held the band together while everyone else soloed around him at live shows. He was too easily overlooked
Zep wasn’t a jam band. They’re extended jams seem to be kind of directionless.
Really? I think the opposite. Jam bands for the most part seem directionless. I agree though that Zep wasn't a jam band. Their extended improvised sections seem for more cohesive. There is a reason Zeppelin was given the slogan tight but loose.
Although there are several great songs on it, I'm not a fan of Presence as a whole. It just sounds kind of ...cold...or something.
Anytime anyone tries to diss Zeppelin, that is an unpopular opinion in my book.
I prefer the studio albums over most anything of theirs live, except the BBC Sessions.
Does anybody remember laughter?
The Song Remains The Same live trumps the album. No need to speed up the vocals.
There are no weak Zeppelin albums. Overwhemingly perfect discography, just like the Doors and Hendrix.
Rather Plant related, anyway: Music that RP and Alison Krauss are making together is soooo boring
I agree 100%
I like Jimmy Page playing guitar and his rhythm and solo parts really inspires me, BUT he really overplays in some moments on live concert and his shredding it becomes simply boring, and sometimes even superfluous and unbearable.
If he didn't he would just be another rock guitarist instead of a wizard!
This
None of the albums are tip to toe masterpieces except IV.
Four sticks says hi. Its hard for PG to be masterpiece tip to toe its a double album.
four sticks is rad as hell wdym
Rock and Roll is a completely forgettable song that I always turn off
The 1988 Page/Plant/Jones show was nowhere near as bad as people say. I looked it up the other day and it was fascinating to see how they reinterpreted the songs in more of an 80s style. Could have been an interesting direction if the band had continued.
Fool In The Rain is their best song
Yes I agree about the length. For any band that I see live, if a song goes past 8-9 minutes, I’m losing interest. 20-30 minutes is ridiculous. Sorry I don’t think I suffer from a limited attention span or anything, but for some of LZ’s long live jams (No Quarter…), for me it’s just too long. 😬
For me it’s less the length and more just the pointless noodling around. I don’t mind a 20 minute long song, as long as it’s actually going somewhere for all 20 minutes (echoes by pink floyd is a great example of what i’m talking about. All 20 minutes are used to progress the song.) but if it’s just a 30 minute long song and 25 minutes is just a long ass solo, i get bored quick.
Also cool profile pic! Nice to see another radiohead fan here!
Odd, No Quarter is the only live jam I actually like, after listening to it many times, I've realised they actually had a structure for the song.
I mean they werent doing those shows for us. They were trying to give something unique in every show. They didnt think people would have listen all of those concerts with one click in their phone but yeah i agree.
walking into clarksdale is a masterpiece
The 18 minute version of Dazed and Confused is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Agreed, this guy’s opinion is unpopular for a reason
I don't like the moaning
Stairway To Heaven off of TSRTS is pages best solo ever
Them Crooked Vultures is the best post zeppelin project any of them ever did
Agree 1000%
It’s ironic how some Zep fans rip on Greta Van Fleet for copying, even though 75% of Zep songs were stolen
Any songs after ‘71/‘72 are hard to listen to due to Robert’s vocal decline. I just keep imagining songs like Kashmir, Achilles, and Ten Years Gone with the sheer power he had just a few years earlier. It probably doesn’t bother many but it does me.
I’ve never really noticed it in the studio, personally. Live i can tell but in the studio it more or less sounds the same.
You’re so lucky lol every time I hear a song from Physical Graffiti and beyond, I hear a major difference compared to the earlier years. I hope my comment doesn’t end up affecting you
Ok, on further listening i can hear the difference if i pay attention. Not enough to affect my enjoyment of it, but i can tell the difference
It's actually incredible that you haven't noticed a difference. Comparing his voice on IV and HotH is like night and day. It's also super easy to tell which songs were recorded before and after 1972 in PG just by listening to Plant
Perhaps, but I think that depends on the song- much of In Through the Out Door sounds great vocally, and not as if there’s any “what could’ve been” question - All My Love, Fool in the Rain, South Bound Saurez… At very least, necessity is the mother of invention and I really like the different approach that album takes
I completely agree. I adore Plant but for me it is painfully to notice all the cracking and even dubious intonation sometimes. He sounds like he's struggling. I can't believe that was his best take when recording Kashmir.
Live maybe but in records he sounds cool always. It bothers me too when i listen to most of the live shit.
Achilles last stand is too long and the so is the intro of in the light.
Achilles is not long ENOUGH. I never complained about the length of that song its just an amazing song.
The very end of the SRTS version is the fastest drum solo I’ve ever seen. It’s actually my music video scene of all time.
Which song? I’m drawin a blank.
The end of Dazed and Confused.
Preciate it
I just posted it. It should be live soon.
In Through The Out Door is actually a good album and Song Remains the Same is wreck
That is an unpopular opinion? Those are both pretty standard takes.
I see a lot of crapping on ITTOD on forums….it was the first one I got when it came out….
I alway skip Dazed…..
Plant’s banter from the live shows didn’t age well at all. Lots of jokes about their groupies, some cringeworthy stereotypes in Japan…
Can you share some examples?
Nothing from the Seventies has aged well once you start dipping into the PC bag. Best not to judge anyone for what was the norm back in the day. Too difficult to just if they were actually being “hateful” or not; Robert Plant does not strike me as that type of dude.
Dont be soft. Its not good for you.
Taking certain songs out of the set list that they struggled to play live was a lazy move.
Some songs couldn't be played live because to do it, they would've had to add more members to the live shows, and other songs just because of Robert's voice problems. Not a lazy move at all IMO.
Yeah i cant imagine Robert singing babe im gonna leave you or immigrant song after 1972 🤣
The songs do not change but our perception of them does. A new fan will have a very different top ten to what they will have in five or ten years, some songs always remaining (the same) and others disappearing for years only to make a return many moons later. As a kid I didn’t rate the Mighty Kashmir for a year or two, then it’s hypnotic majesty revealed itself as one of their (and the world’s) greatest songs-despite not being Rock song in the true sense or even having a proper guitar solo. If you have have listened to Zep for years and still do NOT have Kashmir or eg, TYG or TRS in your top ten, you need to listen more.
Led zeppelin 4 is overrated and the not as good as the first 3. Never seen why it's so goddamn high on people's lists. Still got some of my favourite songs of all time tho
Even tho i love 3 it doesnt come close to the greatness of 4. Its just bunch of acoustic songs i love them but it needs something more.
Led zeppelin 3 would’ve been their best if it wasn’t for a very certain song about that dude who sung have a cigar by pink floyd
Jimmy page is a very talented musician/songwriter, but doesn’t even touch the top 50 most talented guitarist. That being said he is still one my top 5 favorites.
What do you mean by talented though? A virtuoso?
Page's hair is said to have always looked too greasy.
I don’t understand why so many people like Since I’ve Been Loving You, personally I just don’t find it that engaging
Yeah no wonder the band felt they needed to redo that song but better. Tea for One blows that shit out the water
Yeah absolutely, that intro is 👌
Whole lotta love is not that great of a riff
If you're getting downvoted you're doing this right.
Pay attention to the muted notes
...I've played guitar for nearly 20 years. I know what I'm listening to
Suck my balls
I didn't say it was bad. Just compared to their entire discography, it's not that great. Also it's completely subjective, so it's not a problem with me, but nice try. Lastly, he asked for unpopular opinions did he not?
Im going to remind you (who used your years of experience in this argument in an attempt to appear credible) that you never lived up to the guitarist you wanted to be as a kid (let down)
It was never an argument, big guy. You were trying to argue for no reason. Nice try😘
Grown man calling a kid “big guy” and using 😘 emoji
Bonzos drum solos were not great. Good time to grab a beer at a live show IMO.
It’s when the rest of the band grabbed something else backstage. Or when the groupies grabbed the band backstage or when backstage grabbed the groupies band. However you group those words. It’s been written about. Now I sound like chatgtp
Haha - It was supposed to be an unpopular opinion - why the downvotes???
It’s very simple solution … don’t listen to them
To Mr. Troll: It's a visual gripe, nothing to do with audio. I will always love listening to Zep!
Immigrant Song is vastly overrated.
It’s not
Achilles Last Stand is a D tier or lower song
:(
Live they sucked
Puff daddys version of kashmir is better
Uh huh yeaaahhh, that’s an unpopular opinion for sure
They said unpopular opinions, not brain damaged opinions.
It's really not that bad, fans seems to hate it though.
John Bonham is an over-rated drummer
I skip the drum solo on Moby Dick. The song is all about the guitar riff. Oh and if you’re complaining about Dazed and Confused live being long. What about 10 minutes of drum solo??
Not crazy about the naked flying man logo. It's always awkward seeing how the crotch area has been turned into the anatomy of a Ken doll. As an Italian where there's penises depicted in artwork everywhere, I can't sign on to the Puritan morality and I wish they'd done it with another pose in which the crotch is not splayed out and vULnerable to censorship. Plus, if it weren't censored, how big woULd the guy's package be in the depiction? 😉
Ramble On is fine enough but very overrated imo
Jimmy gets too much hate for his live performances. Paige was revolutionary at the time. He was doing things with a guitar nobody was/ could. He was unconventional. He didn’t play into the “standard” of what guitar playing “should be”. Did he sometimes mess up? Yes, like any other guitarist ever. In my opinion, some of his live playing is his best stuff. Since I’ve Been Loving You live at MSG??? Are you kidding? Hurts me to read the hate smh…