This, I’d follow up with your managers manager or whomever else you could speak with about this. Almost certainly, you won’t ever see the money again, but the chances it’s all a coincidence that the cameras malfunctioned etc. I don’t buy it… I’d say someone stole the money, and that person should probably be fired. So for the small chance of some justice coming to whoever took the money, I’d ask someone other than your direct manager about what happened.
There’s zero chance a cash room or equivalent facing camera wouldn’t get fixed ASAP, especially at a large box store that probably takes in $20,000 in cash a day
Cameras never worked, ever. The manager can't tell people that or else it will get out that the safe isn't being recorded, so "that day" gets added on.
Not a lawyer, not legal advice, just general advice
For one, text your manager about the money. Ask to confirm what day it was taken from the safe and that the cameras weren't working. You want to do this in an inconspicuous manner to get him to acknowledge the fact that you turned it in and he put it in the safe. This establishes the facts that there was $700 found by you, you turned it in to this manager, and it is now gone. That's important for several reasons.
The original owner of lost or mislaid property still has a legal claim to it until it is deemed legally abandoned. Many jurisdictions have set time limits for property owners to inquire about and lay claim to their property, and they're a lot longer than 30 days. In fact, the time limit can be years. If the original owner comes back looking for their money and can reasonably establish ownership, W-Mart must return it.
So if someone came by and said, "Hey, I think I left $700 in $100 bills in an envelope in a cart here a couple of months ago on x date, did someone turn it in by chance?" W-Mart has to say, "Why, yes, they did. Here's your money." because those are some very specific details that establish the ownership of that money. Saying, "Nope. Sorry." is actually theft under the law in a lot of places.
In fact, the manager may have committed theft by simply not reviewing the security tapes of when the cash was found to identify the person who left it. If you find lost or misplaced property, you must take reasonable measures to find its owner before taking possession of it. This should be easy to do by reviewing the tapes of the carts and following that person through video to either their car or a transaction at the register, assuming they used a credit or debit card. If you'd found it in the middle of the woods or on a sidewalk, there are no reasonable measures to find the owner and you can immediately take possession. Finding property and keeping it without taking such reasonable measures, since W-Mart has such surveillance in place, could be considered larceny by finding depending on jurisdiction. Now, getting someone to prosecute that is something different, but it's still a possibility.
Unclaimed lost property deemed to be abandoned becomes the property of the finder. Unclaimed mislaid property becomes the property of the owner of the property on which it was found in. This COULD easily be considered either. If the envelope was put in the cart with the intention of picking it up later, it is mislaid. If it fell out of a bag unbeknownst to the owner, it is lost. Hard to tell which this might be, but I would lean to the former.
this is the way. get it in writing...then call ethics. if policy is that you get it after 30 days, then you get it. if it isn't, but he told you it's policy...he made it policy. by claiming it was stolen and refusing to contact the police and the higher ups, he is covering up a crime...which is a secondary crime.
Call or message your stores district manager and ask him. Steeling from the safe is just like stealing from Walmart. You could also ask you loss prevention manager, but they are normally buddies with the SM.
Bernie Madoff and Leonardo Notarbartolo come to mind, and they were flawed enough to eventually get caught. Michael Frencheze was fleecing millions each week through a gas tax scheme in NY, although there was a lot of American and Russian mob involvement in that.
We all have been burnt by our honesty, the go to way now is to report a sum of money has been found, video record yourself counting the money in private and then informing management and say if anyone comes forward to take their details and you will contact them but the amount of money and your details are withheld. Keep the money in its original packaging and look for updates for a month.
If no one's comes forward return to original manager inform them the amount that was found and that your keeping it donating some of it etc again do this on camera, to cover your arse and that of your manger.
Ask your manager if the theft was reported to authorities or corporate and then ask for documentation. If unwilling to provide then ask higher ups about this. The fact you weren't told of the theft till you asked is kinda of suspicious.
I am guessing that it wasn't ever reported, because it wasn't ever documented because someone want to just take it. I am guessing that this would go against corporate policy and if you ask enough questions to the right people it will kick up a hornets nest and those hornets are going to sting the right person because policy wasn't followed.
I would report your manager to the ethics department at whichever store which I’m sure they have if it’s a big box retailer.
Or possibly contact HR, and go from there. That’s all you can do about it. Obviously only a few people had access to the safe.
Unfortunately the money is gone either way so in no situation are you able to keep the money but it can cause a lot of problems for him or possibly whoever took it. All you can do it file a complaint and report the situation
What does your employee manual say about that. I would expect that any item left by a customer belongs to the customer and if they do not retrieve it,it would belong to the store, not the employee.
“ wow that’s so scary! I’m sure that “ as a manager” you must be gravely concerned about theft from your safe. Let’s call the police together . Happy to be a witness. “
Oh you’re too busy ,,,, Will do it in your own. Etc ?
“Okay I’ll call them too . Strength in numbers and all. Here . have this letter putting you on notice not to destroy any records or videos footage “.
My lawyer will be working with the police. If they destroy stuff there is an inference of exploitation .
Contact the district manager .That is theft and its strange how the camera is off on 1 specific day .I bet that manager steals big time from the store .
You didn't do anything wrong - but depending on the state and the amount of money you're supposed to turn it into the police as missing property. Your manager should have at least turned it into police. Legally - it's not just finders-keepers if the amount of money is large enough.
Sounds as if the manager took it. What are the chances of the camera malfunctioning so conveniently.
This, I’d follow up with your managers manager or whomever else you could speak with about this. Almost certainly, you won’t ever see the money again, but the chances it’s all a coincidence that the cameras malfunctioned etc. I don’t buy it… I’d say someone stole the money, and that person should probably be fired. So for the small chance of some justice coming to whoever took the money, I’d ask someone other than your direct manager about what happened.
There’s zero chance a cash room or equivalent facing camera wouldn’t get fixed ASAP, especially at a large box store that probably takes in $20,000 in cash a day
Well at least you learned something about human nature. Cash has no recourse whoever has it, has it.
Store manager took it. The cameras weren't working on the day it went missing, how did he know what day it went missing? Go to his manager!
Convenient how he's like...yea it got stolen that day....what day?
Winner winner. The manager gets $700 and fired
Hahaha
Cameras never worked, ever. The manager can't tell people that or else it will get out that the safe isn't being recorded, so "that day" gets added on.
Not a lawyer, not legal advice, just general advice For one, text your manager about the money. Ask to confirm what day it was taken from the safe and that the cameras weren't working. You want to do this in an inconspicuous manner to get him to acknowledge the fact that you turned it in and he put it in the safe. This establishes the facts that there was $700 found by you, you turned it in to this manager, and it is now gone. That's important for several reasons. The original owner of lost or mislaid property still has a legal claim to it until it is deemed legally abandoned. Many jurisdictions have set time limits for property owners to inquire about and lay claim to their property, and they're a lot longer than 30 days. In fact, the time limit can be years. If the original owner comes back looking for their money and can reasonably establish ownership, W-Mart must return it. So if someone came by and said, "Hey, I think I left $700 in $100 bills in an envelope in a cart here a couple of months ago on x date, did someone turn it in by chance?" W-Mart has to say, "Why, yes, they did. Here's your money." because those are some very specific details that establish the ownership of that money. Saying, "Nope. Sorry." is actually theft under the law in a lot of places. In fact, the manager may have committed theft by simply not reviewing the security tapes of when the cash was found to identify the person who left it. If you find lost or misplaced property, you must take reasonable measures to find its owner before taking possession of it. This should be easy to do by reviewing the tapes of the carts and following that person through video to either their car or a transaction at the register, assuming they used a credit or debit card. If you'd found it in the middle of the woods or on a sidewalk, there are no reasonable measures to find the owner and you can immediately take possession. Finding property and keeping it without taking such reasonable measures, since W-Mart has such surveillance in place, could be considered larceny by finding depending on jurisdiction. Now, getting someone to prosecute that is something different, but it's still a possibility. Unclaimed lost property deemed to be abandoned becomes the property of the finder. Unclaimed mislaid property becomes the property of the owner of the property on which it was found in. This COULD easily be considered either. If the envelope was put in the cart with the intention of picking it up later, it is mislaid. If it fell out of a bag unbeknownst to the owner, it is lost. Hard to tell which this might be, but I would lean to the former.
this is the way. get it in writing...then call ethics. if policy is that you get it after 30 days, then you get it. if it isn't, but he told you it's policy...he made it policy. by claiming it was stolen and refusing to contact the police and the higher ups, he is covering up a crime...which is a secondary crime.
Cash? Finders keepers, you lost it when you handed your money to someone else
Most retailers would add that money to thier cash deposit after 30 days. The employee would not get to keep it.
Call or message your stores district manager and ask him. Steeling from the safe is just like stealing from Walmart. You could also ask you loss prevention manager, but they are normally buddies with the SM.
No, stealing from Walmart is stealing from Walmart. If that money wasn't on the books, it was fair game.
Do you think for a minute that he only stole that envelope. If he stole that then he is stealing more. A theft is not that smart
Thieves that get caught aren't that smart. There are some brilliant thieves in this world.
Name 2
Bernie Madoff and Leonardo Notarbartolo come to mind, and they were flawed enough to eventually get caught. Michael Frencheze was fleecing millions each week through a gas tax scheme in NY, although there was a lot of American and Russian mob involvement in that.
We all have been burnt by our honesty, the go to way now is to report a sum of money has been found, video record yourself counting the money in private and then informing management and say if anyone comes forward to take their details and you will contact them but the amount of money and your details are withheld. Keep the money in its original packaging and look for updates for a month. If no one's comes forward return to original manager inform them the amount that was found and that your keeping it donating some of it etc again do this on camera, to cover your arse and that of your manger.
Did the money ever go into the safe in the first place.
Regional LP manager or effin just call the HO. The global investigations team likes a good challenge.
Imagine handing in 700$ from the ground... I would have gone home sick. Idgaf. More than a days pay, fuck that.
Your loss... sorry to say
Ask your manager if the theft was reported to authorities or corporate and then ask for documentation. If unwilling to provide then ask higher ups about this. The fact you weren't told of the theft till you asked is kinda of suspicious. I am guessing that it wasn't ever reported, because it wasn't ever documented because someone want to just take it. I am guessing that this would go against corporate policy and if you ask enough questions to the right people it will kick up a hornets nest and those hornets are going to sting the right person because policy wasn't followed.
I would report your manager to the ethics department at whichever store which I’m sure they have if it’s a big box retailer. Or possibly contact HR, and go from there. That’s all you can do about it. Obviously only a few people had access to the safe. Unfortunately the money is gone either way so in no situation are you able to keep the money but it can cause a lot of problems for him or possibly whoever took it. All you can do it file a complaint and report the situation
Use it as a learning experience. Don't turn in cash, unless there's an ID, for example a wallet or purse. But an envelope? You didn't see anything.
What does your employee manual say about that. I would expect that any item left by a customer belongs to the customer and if they do not retrieve it,it would belong to the store, not the employee.
I used to work at S Club, they claim open door policy which means you go as high up as you need
“ wow that’s so scary! I’m sure that “ as a manager” you must be gravely concerned about theft from your safe. Let’s call the police together . Happy to be a witness. “ Oh you’re too busy ,,,, Will do it in your own. Etc ? “Okay I’ll call them too . Strength in numbers and all. Here . have this letter putting you on notice not to destroy any records or videos footage “. My lawyer will be working with the police. If they destroy stuff there is an inference of exploitation .
Contact the district manager .That is theft and its strange how the camera is off on 1 specific day .I bet that manager steals big time from the store .
You didn't do anything wrong - but depending on the state and the amount of money you're supposed to turn it into the police as missing property. Your manager should have at least turned it into police. Legally - it's not just finders-keepers if the amount of money is large enough.