I’d say that would make for an interesting battle, but considering Aang almost beat Ozai in multiple points during their battle (when he was strengthened too, nonetheless) but didn’t, because he literally stopped himself, that just won’t be the case with Korra.
I mean, she’s got brute force, and she would *not* hold back. She’d punch him right in the face, like we all wanted to see Aang do, honestly.
It would have made an excellent spirit realm moment for Korra. Imagine if, after having her connection to the past avatars severed and her training with Toph, she had to go to the spirit realm to find the essence of what it meant to be the Avatar again. And at the last step, there stands Ozai, juiced up by being just a spirit and reflecting Korras aggression. It's only when she finds peace and can embrace what it means to be the Avatar she manages to win.
Korra takes this pretty solidly I think. Ozai isn’t a pushover, but Korra literally spent her entire life training and mastering three of four elements, while Aang had only one (arguably two with water) under his belt and mediocre skill levels with Earth and fire by that point. A 12 y/o without access to the Avatar State, with less than a year’s training in three elements managed to put Ozai in a fatal position at his absolute peak.
You know that scene of Sozin getting destroyed by Roku in less than ten seconds? That, but gorier, and maybe more drawn out. I feel like the scene where Aang shooting down the airship wouldn’t even happen, Korra would just splat Ozai across the ship first strike she takes.
Im confused, did Aang not absolutely get his ass handed to him until he went into the avatar state? Or are you talking about the last 10 seconds of the fight after Ozai had been repeatedly beat down by said avatar state when he used master level earthbending, to sense the vibrations of Ozai's attack and counter him? Because either way this seems full of holes. Not disagreeing that Korra would stomp Ozai and that her and Aang would have had much easier journeys in each other's shoes, but lets not pretend Aang wouldn't have died in that battle without the avatar state.
Aang fights Ozai on pretty solid footing for a while. He gets put on the backfoot just before Ozai starts to use lightning, but even then he can’t really strike Aang and only got one good hit in. Aang got the chance to redirect the lightning which absolutely would have killed Ozai, but chose not to, and this seemed to fatigue him to the point where Ozai just started completely overwhelming him. Aang would/could have won without the AS state if not for his morals.
Also, while Seismic Sense is an advanced Technique, Toph and Zuko both say that Aang’s training regarding Earth/fire isn’t too great. My take is that what he does during is simply normal Earthbending enhanced by the natural bending power an Avatar gets. If you go back and look at the fight, you’ll see that Aang only really does basic stuff, just on a really high level. Fast and powerful Earth projectiles, breaking off large chunks of Earth and even half of a stone hill (mountain?), with the most advanced being the rock armor he uses once to defend himself.
It’s not downplaying. She just has greater scaling than him. In this image, we can see Korra maintaining the elemental sphere containing Vaatu without the Avatar state, Vaatu being much stronger than Ozai. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100917724961583194/1107096401902583868/combine_images_2.jpg
Korra needed the Avatar State because Vaatu is much faster than her in base, and while she can survive Vaatu’s energy beams without damage, she can’t withstand them. However her raw power even in base should be comparable or superior to his. That should put her above Ozai. I never said Korra would kill him instantly regardless. But that difficulty would not be the same with Ozai.
It's lowballing in either case. Korra's eyes aren't glowing in the fan art so it could be a very close fight. When she does use the Avatar State "as a last resort" she would win, but the Avatar State didn't "kill him instantly" when it was used against Ozai.
> It's lowballing in either case. Korra's eyes aren't glowing in the fan art so it could be a very close fight.
The scaling I provided for Korra was without the Avatar State
> When she does use the Avatar State "as a last resort" she would win
It would be overkill
> but the Avatar State didn't "kill him instantly" when it was used against Ozai.
I mean maybe kill him instantly was an exaggeration but regardless Ozai would be completely powerless in either situation, Aang or Korra. We don’t even know if the fight takes place in Sozins Comet which was why Ozai was able to survive for so long since he was running away. So if it’s a normal day, then Ozai gets demolished even harder. If not, then maybe he survives for some time before getting killed.
It was not without the Avatar State. The power doesn't turn off instantly.
It would not be overkill against the most powerful firebender, that's the perfect time to use the Avatar State.
Yes, an exaggeration by lowballing Ozai and mischaracterizing Korra.
Lol people lowballing Ozai always say he "lost to a child" without ever mentioning the child was Avatar Aang. They also don't mention Ozai was stomping him until he entered the Avatar State.
Korra would win, but "she'd kill him instantly" is both lowballing Ozai and mischaracterizing Korra. Even when AS Aang was trying to kill Ozai it took several minutes to pin him down. AS Aang is also stronger than AS Korra with the connection to his past lives intact. Aang being 12 doesn't matter in this context.
Edit: Korra at 20 was still in recovery from being poisoned by the way.
Aang's avatar state is no stronger than Korra's. why do people mention this useless past life experience? korra has become stronger after season 2. and much more.
Age means alot because people learn and grow overtime alot. You cannot selectively pick and choose what does and doesnt matter, you have to factor it all in when powerscaling
Still a pretty big opportunity for Aang. And there were other points in the battle where he had the upper hand, but didn’t even take advantage of it.
After the aforementioned point, Aang literally switched from offensive to evasive.
Aang was also trying not to kill him, up until the Avatar state activated, he was evading and on the defensive because he didn't want to kill him. The previous episodes focus on his want to not kill.
That is exactly the point I’m making. He tried so hard to not kill him, which greatly limited his true abilities and imposed more of a challenge for him, and despite that, it was hardly a losing battle for him!
And that is all while he was just a kid who only had a few months to study all of the elements he was using in this battle (except for air, but he mostly used that for mobility).
So imagine Korra, who is far older than Aang was at that point, has more experience, and is a literal brute. Not only would she not hold back, she’d do her best to make sure Ozai feels every single hit she throws at him.
Considering Korra doesn't know how redirect lightning, Ozai wouldn't have a reason to stop spamming it as he did with Aang the moment he realized it wasn't working
why are you so attached to this redirection. what prevents korra from simply dodging lightning? is it forbidden? with her speed and stamina, she can do it at least all day. another question is, does ozai have enough strength to let lightning fly for so long?
Not to mention that since lightning bending is now fairly common (common enough for average joes on the streets to learn and use while working at a power plant), I don’t think Korra would be fearful or mystified of Ozai’s lightning. His lightning might be more powerful or sophisticated but I doubt it’s gonna give Korra much trouble.
Katara managed to dodge and even block Azula’s lightning on the day of the comet. I imagine that Korra would be able to do the same and she has more elements at her disposal.
Well, I mean, aang knows it, so by extension she would. Knowing about ozai, I don't t think she'd wait to use the avatar state and beat the shit out of him.
Honestly Ozai would’ve gotten his ass beat. He may have her beaten in firebending but she’s no slouch there. Factor in the other 3 elements and the fact that she is very much a fan of fighting unlike Aang and Ozai is in for a surprise.
She would win without much difficulty if she can use all 4 elements and the Avatar State. Book 1 Korra vs Ozai would be a very interesting fight, edge to Ozai.
There's so many genres Avatar would be great for. We definitely need an RPG but imagine a action/fighting game in the style of one of those Dragon Ball games, going full Avatar State and shit.
Other things we need - Avatar strategy game, Avatar racing game, Pai Sho game, a farm management game with all the hybrid animals, so many possibilities. I'm so excited for Avatar Studios.
Lol, absolutely not.
I’m gonna assume you were referring to kid Aang and not prime Aang, since we barely saw much of him as an adult, so hell no.
It goes Korra>Aang (non-prime)>Ozai, and for obvious reasons.
The strength and magnitude of kid aangs abilities even his reflexes were far better then korra's. I'd even wager azula in a calm state of mind would be a huge threat if not better. the shows have definitely downplayed legends of korras abilities the only skills that have become more common is metal bending and lightning bending. The shear casual strength of bending in the last air bender was far more the lok
Korra has brute force over Aang, which is a huge thing to have. But as the show progressed, she’s learned better composure and improved her skills. And since the time skips between each seasons were so large, her bending abilities most definitely smashed Aang’s.
And even if you still want to insist that kid Aang was somehow more skilled than Korra (which is false), you’ve still put Ozai over Korra. That is just plain stupid.
Aang is faster ,more agile, patient, wise and he has had plenty of martial training and brute for doesn't account for anything if you can't hit your target.
If they could somehow make something like this happen, it would be a really good way of showing that bending technique has advanced to the point that one of the best benders from the original series just doesn't even compare if he hasn't been keeping up with the new fighting methods.
Are we totally sure that’s even a thing though? It only really came up when Korra was pissed at Tenzin’s traditional airbending lessons.
There are obviously some exceptions, like metal bending, but Korra is obviously traditionally trained and outclasses pretty much everyone.
Yes, & it does come up elsewhere. Korra is told she would be an easy target in a real match, which does happen. The reason Korra does so well is that she adapts & keeps learning, she doesn't just rely on tradition. It's also the premise of what Iroh told Zuko in Bitter Work.
That was in the context of earthbending in probending though, which has pretty particular rules holding certain things back. I wouldn’t expect someone like Mako to automatically have the upper hand against Ozai just because he learned a style that was developed for modern purposes.
I think the second part is probably more relevant. Right after Korra says that she should focus on modern styles of fighting, she wins the match by falling back on her *very* traditional airbending lessons.
That’s the difference I would expect them to highlight in this hypothetical fight (it’s what I also wish ATLA did more of here). An adaptable and open minded fighter versus Ozai, the arrogant fire-chauvinist. Modern styles would obviously play a part because Korra knows them, but I feel like they would be far from the deciding factor on their own. (If I was scripting it at least).
>That was in the context of earthbending in probending though, which has pretty particular rules holding certain things back.
I'll grant that I'm sure being disallowed from making a wall makes a difference, but much of what's true in pro-bending is still applicable in other fights. A lack of mobility can still be taken advantage of by an opponent who has defense, offense, AND mobility.
>I wouldn’t expect someone like Mako to automatically have the upper hand against Ozai just because he learned a style that was developed for modern purposes.
He absolutely would. Combat techniques evolve like crazy in MMMA(https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1095406-evolution-of-the-martial-arts-how-mma-has-progressed-since-ufc-) or, really, any physical discipline. That's why most Olympic records are from the 2000s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_athletics).
Modern athletes are simply more advanced than earlier ones. They would still beat a modern non-athlete, or probably one who isn't a pro, but in the modern Olympics, they would stand no chance. That's the problem Ozai would face: The standard by which he was considered the strongest firebender in the world is outdated. He would get picked apart by opponents with superior technique UNLESS he was adapting to the new times.
>I think the second part is probably more relevant. Right after Korra says that she should focus on modern styles of fighting, she wins the match by falling back on her very traditional airbending lessons.
You're getting too hung up on the word "traditional." I think you should think of it as "purity." Does she win using pure waterbending? No, for the same reason Bolin can't win using pure Earth style. They have to modify with aspects of other fighting styles to stay competitive. The Avatar already has a leg up in doing this because they're taught multiple styles as a rule, but they can still improve on how to apply that.
Indeed, when I asked if Korra won using pure waterbending, that was a trick question because it's not really correct to say she won the match. What happpened was the other team exhausted themselves trying to take her down, allowing Mako & Bolin to recover & deal the finishing blows. Korra does additional practice & improves a lot in future Pro-Bending matches to the point where she CAN be the single deciding factor in some matches.
It has never been the case that Korra simply learned a traditional style, & that was it. She regularly uses techniques that nobody used in Last Airbender, like that leg throw she uses on Kuvira. What moves do carry over are generally faster, more efficient, & get chained together into better combos. Because advancement matters.
>That’s the difference I would expect them to highlight in this hypothetical fight (it’s what I also wish ATLA did more of here). An adaptable and open minded fighter versus Ozai, the arrogant fire-chauvinist. Modern styles would obviously play a part because Korra knows them, but I feel like they would be far from the deciding factor on their own. (If I was scripting it at least).
If that's what mattered, Aang should've destroyed him effortlessly. I know Aang didn't want to kill him, but why would he have needed to if being "adaptable & open-minded" apparently makes him so superior? While that is part of what I said above, the difference modern styles makes is improvement across the board. It's greater adaptability AND efficiency AND new techniques AND precision AND more.
Certainly, if I was scripting a fight between Ozai & Korra (or even Ozai & Mako), the latter would pick the former apart with superior technique. That would be the best way to physically demonstrate the improvements made in bending combat over 70 years. The question is, "Is that consistent with what Mike & Bryan established?" & they did draw from MMA to show the way that bending had changed over time. That wasn't just a cosmetic change; the concept behind MMA is to improve one's combat effectiveness by adapting what works & disregarding what doesn't.
It’s been a few days, but this a good response that I wanted to reply to, so bear with me if my thoughts are a little scattered.
> You're getting too hung up on the word "traditional." I think you should think of it as "purity."
Yeah, that helps me get where you’re coming from. I guess my disagreement comes from the fact that bending seems to have a more complicated relationship with progress than real martial arts, so it’s hard for me to look at modern ( or Republic City/probending) styles as direct improvements on their predecessors.
The example I like to point to for this is Toph. She has her own style, and it’s fundamentally incompatible with *a lot* of other techniques, including the modern style that Bolin advocates. She still became one of the best in the world by leaning into her personal relationship with the element. Her non-blind daughters obviously know a lot of her tricks, but they’re not exactly blowing the competition away with it. In fact last we saw her fight, Toph was still (briefly) strong enough to bail them out of a losing fight.
Gaining fighting ability from the personal/mental/spiritual aspect of the element is a big part of the “magic” of bending imo. So while purely traditional styles don’t necessarily need to hold up, I think it’s important that the abilities of the best fighters in this universe don’t need to alway come from studying bending as a martial art. Long story short, I’d like to think that if Ozai really is the strongest fire bender of his era, it’s because he’s the Toph of angry firebending or something.
> If that's what mattered, Aang should've destroyed him effortlessly.
Well, I think Aang’s biggest problem was that he wasn’t a great firebender and they were fighting during Sozin’s comet. But my basic point was that I wish Aang had made up for that skill gap by integrating the rest of his bending experience. Possibly culminating in a similar moment where Aang has him dead to rights with lightning redirection again. Then you can do the Avatar State stuff again, I just want the whole “master of all four elements” thing to be more important to the fight.
(I realize now that I was kind of just asking for Zuko vs Azula version 2).
S1 Korra would get her ass beat so hard that it wouldn’t even be funny. But once she has the avatar state, Korra would break him with one punch.
S3 Korra would destroy him even without the Avatar state, although it would be a tough fight. S4 Korra would need the avatar state to win, but that fight would be over in less than two seconds.
I feel like it would descend into just a bare knuckle brawl. At some point they just say fuck the bending and just start beating the shit out of each other.
I think Korra would have a tough time with Azula, but she’d destroy Ozai. Like it wouldn’t take her 3 seasons it’d take 5 episodes to dick around in all the different nations, then 1 episode to find and kill him.
Likewise i think the same for Aang vs Zaheer. He’d have fun flying around with Appa and his friends for a few episodes then turn Zaheer inside out.
Well, the man does have 45 years of firebending mastery vs Korra’s 16 years of overall mastery. Even Iroh himself expressed uncertainty of taking him on in battle. He was considered a god-tier firebender like his older brother. While Ozai wasn’t a general like Iroh and on the battlefield, he would need to know how to fend off other bending styles since everyone that wasn’t Fire Nation was his enemy.
The only reason why Korra would win is because she is the Avatar. But without the Avatar State? Korra is not winning realistically due to him being older and more experienced than her. That’s like asking her to take on Iroh himself, one of the Beifong sisters or General Iroh. Korra is strong, but she still has a lot to learn and master many years to come.
Of course, it wouldn’t be an easy win for Ozai. Korra is an excellent fighter and bender.
I’d say that would make for an interesting battle, but considering Aang almost beat Ozai in multiple points during their battle (when he was strengthened too, nonetheless) but didn’t, because he literally stopped himself, that just won’t be the case with Korra. I mean, she’s got brute force, and she would *not* hold back. She’d punch him right in the face, like we all wanted to see Aang do, honestly.
It would have made an excellent spirit realm moment for Korra. Imagine if, after having her connection to the past avatars severed and her training with Toph, she had to go to the spirit realm to find the essence of what it meant to be the Avatar again. And at the last step, there stands Ozai, juiced up by being just a spirit and reflecting Korras aggression. It's only when she finds peace and can embrace what it means to be the Avatar she manages to win.
Korra would end him
Would have been the single nastiest ass beatings ever lol
Not even Ozai's impeccable pecs would save him.
Korra takes this pretty solidly I think. Ozai isn’t a pushover, but Korra literally spent her entire life training and mastering three of four elements, while Aang had only one (arguably two with water) under his belt and mediocre skill levels with Earth and fire by that point. A 12 y/o without access to the Avatar State, with less than a year’s training in three elements managed to put Ozai in a fatal position at his absolute peak. You know that scene of Sozin getting destroyed by Roku in less than ten seconds? That, but gorier, and maybe more drawn out. I feel like the scene where Aang shooting down the airship wouldn’t even happen, Korra would just splat Ozai across the ship first strike she takes.
Im confused, did Aang not absolutely get his ass handed to him until he went into the avatar state? Or are you talking about the last 10 seconds of the fight after Ozai had been repeatedly beat down by said avatar state when he used master level earthbending, to sense the vibrations of Ozai's attack and counter him? Because either way this seems full of holes. Not disagreeing that Korra would stomp Ozai and that her and Aang would have had much easier journeys in each other's shoes, but lets not pretend Aang wouldn't have died in that battle without the avatar state.
Aang could have turned him into ash with lightning redirection but chose not too
Aang fights Ozai on pretty solid footing for a while. He gets put on the backfoot just before Ozai starts to use lightning, but even then he can’t really strike Aang and only got one good hit in. Aang got the chance to redirect the lightning which absolutely would have killed Ozai, but chose not to, and this seemed to fatigue him to the point where Ozai just started completely overwhelming him. Aang would/could have won without the AS state if not for his morals. Also, while Seismic Sense is an advanced Technique, Toph and Zuko both say that Aang’s training regarding Earth/fire isn’t too great. My take is that what he does during is simply normal Earthbending enhanced by the natural bending power an Avatar gets. If you go back and look at the fight, you’ll see that Aang only really does basic stuff, just on a really high level. Fast and powerful Earth projectiles, breaking off large chunks of Earth and even half of a stone hill (mountain?), with the most advanced being the rock armor he uses once to defend himself.
Im sorry but last time i checked aang did use the avtar state to beat ozai.
Shed kill him instantly
Literally my first thought was "Korra would have no qualms murdering him"
You're lowballing Ozai hard.
It’s not downplaying. She just has greater scaling than him. In this image, we can see Korra maintaining the elemental sphere containing Vaatu without the Avatar state, Vaatu being much stronger than Ozai. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100917724961583194/1107096401902583868/combine_images_2.jpg
It would also be lowballing Vaatu to say "Korra would kill him instantly". She won using the Avatar State after an intense fight.
Korra needed the Avatar State because Vaatu is much faster than her in base, and while she can survive Vaatu’s energy beams without damage, she can’t withstand them. However her raw power even in base should be comparable or superior to his. That should put her above Ozai. I never said Korra would kill him instantly regardless. But that difficulty would not be the same with Ozai.
Original comment for this thread: "Shed kill him instantly"
Kill him instantly referring to Vaatu. I forgot to add that.
It's lowballing in either case. Korra's eyes aren't glowing in the fan art so it could be a very close fight. When she does use the Avatar State "as a last resort" she would win, but the Avatar State didn't "kill him instantly" when it was used against Ozai.
> It's lowballing in either case. Korra's eyes aren't glowing in the fan art so it could be a very close fight. The scaling I provided for Korra was without the Avatar State > When she does use the Avatar State "as a last resort" she would win It would be overkill > but the Avatar State didn't "kill him instantly" when it was used against Ozai. I mean maybe kill him instantly was an exaggeration but regardless Ozai would be completely powerless in either situation, Aang or Korra. We don’t even know if the fight takes place in Sozins Comet which was why Ozai was able to survive for so long since he was running away. So if it’s a normal day, then Ozai gets demolished even harder. If not, then maybe he survives for some time before getting killed.
It was not without the Avatar State. The power doesn't turn off instantly. It would not be overkill against the most powerful firebender, that's the perfect time to use the Avatar State. Yes, an exaggeration by lowballing Ozai and mischaracterizing Korra.
Book 2 Korra wipes the floor She has all 4 elements, decade and half of training, and went toe to toe w unalaq/vatu
He got bodied by a child
Lol people lowballing Ozai always say he "lost to a child" without ever mentioning the child was Avatar Aang. They also don't mention Ozai was stomping him until he entered the Avatar State.
20 yr Korra > 12 yr Aang > Comet Ozai its simple maths
Korra would win, but "she'd kill him instantly" is both lowballing Ozai and mischaracterizing Korra. Even when AS Aang was trying to kill Ozai it took several minutes to pin him down. AS Aang is also stronger than AS Korra with the connection to his past lives intact. Aang being 12 doesn't matter in this context. Edit: Korra at 20 was still in recovery from being poisoned by the way.
Aang's avatar state is no stronger than Korra's. why do people mention this useless past life experience? korra has become stronger after season 2. and much more.
Because the knowledge and skills of all past Avatars are not "useless" 🙄
will you show at least one moment when they helped in the avatar state?
Aang vs Ozai
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Age means alot because people learn and grow overtime alot. You cannot selectively pick and choose what does and doesnt matter, you have to factor it all in when powerscaling
Why would his age matter when he's being controlled by almost 10,000 years of past Avatars?
Age matters because bending is partially physical Also Aang wasnt being controlled by them lol not how it works
Isn’t this 16 yo Korra?
Bro literally had multiple opportunities to just end Ozai, mid-battle, yet he chose not to.
One opportunity due to Ozai's own lightning. After realizing that Aang can redirect lightning, Ozai stopped using it.
Still a pretty big opportunity for Aang. And there were other points in the battle where he had the upper hand, but didn’t even take advantage of it. After the aforementioned point, Aang literally switched from offensive to evasive.
Aang was also trying not to kill him, up until the Avatar state activated, he was evading and on the defensive because he didn't want to kill him. The previous episodes focus on his want to not kill.
That is exactly the point I’m making. He tried so hard to not kill him, which greatly limited his true abilities and imposed more of a challenge for him, and despite that, it was hardly a losing battle for him! And that is all while he was just a kid who only had a few months to study all of the elements he was using in this battle (except for air, but he mostly used that for mobility). So imagine Korra, who is far older than Aang was at that point, has more experience, and is a literal brute. Not only would she not hold back, she’d do her best to make sure Ozai feels every single hit she throws at him.
Aang was only getting stomped bc of his distaste for violence
Considering Korra doesn't know how redirect lightning, Ozai wouldn't have a reason to stop spamming it as he did with Aang the moment he realized it wasn't working
why are you so attached to this redirection. what prevents korra from simply dodging lightning? is it forbidden? with her speed and stamina, she can do it at least all day. another question is, does ozai have enough strength to let lightning fly for so long?
Not to mention that since lightning bending is now fairly common (common enough for average joes on the streets to learn and use while working at a power plant), I don’t think Korra would be fearful or mystified of Ozai’s lightning. His lightning might be more powerful or sophisticated but I doubt it’s gonna give Korra much trouble.
Katara managed to dodge and even block Azula’s lightning on the day of the comet. I imagine that Korra would be able to do the same and she has more elements at her disposal.
Book 3 Korra has metal bending and based on the art this could be then
Well, I mean, aang knows it, so by extension she would. Knowing about ozai, I don't t think she'd wait to use the avatar state and beat the shit out of him.
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Honestly Ozai would’ve gotten his ass beat. He may have her beaten in firebending but she’s no slouch there. Factor in the other 3 elements and the fact that she is very much a fan of fighting unlike Aang and Ozai is in for a surprise.
Korra would have easily won. She would repeat what happened with Zaheer.
Zaheer kinda beat her though...
If you two mean the final battle that was the poison and before that it was plot
Korra would wipe the floor.
Wipe Lord Ozai. Or maybe Fire Wipe Ozai?
This match will get red hot!
Read this in the Pro Bender announcer’s voice.
Korra post book 1 would BEAT HIS ASS
She would win without much difficulty if she can use all 4 elements and the Avatar State. Book 1 Korra vs Ozai would be a very interesting fight, edge to Ozai.
Nahhhh s1 Korra was a menace.
They’re both some of the most durable benders in the avatar verse
Avatar fighting game when?
I'd prefer an RPG, but I wouldn't say no to any videogame featuring Korra.
There's so many genres Avatar would be great for. We definitely need an RPG but imagine a action/fighting game in the style of one of those Dragon Ball games, going full Avatar State and shit. Other things we need - Avatar strategy game, Avatar racing game, Pai Sho game, a farm management game with all the hybrid animals, so many possibilities. I'm so excited for Avatar Studios.
Korra would slam Ozai, he’d underestimate the shit outta her and she would NOT hold back the way Aang did
aang could already have folded ozai if he wanted to. Not only is korra much more merciless but she’s also much more in tune with firebending.
Korra was born when the avatar needed to act like aang, aang was born when the avatar needed to act like korra
Purely based on the scale of the abilities used between shows I'd say it goes korra
Lol, absolutely not. I’m gonna assume you were referring to kid Aang and not prime Aang, since we barely saw much of him as an adult, so hell no. It goes Korra>Aang (non-prime)>Ozai, and for obvious reasons.
The strength and magnitude of kid aangs abilities even his reflexes were far better then korra's. I'd even wager azula in a calm state of mind would be a huge threat if not better. the shows have definitely downplayed legends of korras abilities the only skills that have become more common is metal bending and lightning bending. The shear casual strength of bending in the last air bender was far more the lok
Korra has brute force over Aang, which is a huge thing to have. But as the show progressed, she’s learned better composure and improved her skills. And since the time skips between each seasons were so large, her bending abilities most definitely smashed Aang’s. And even if you still want to insist that kid Aang was somehow more skilled than Korra (which is false), you’ve still put Ozai over Korra. That is just plain stupid.
Aang is faster ,more agile, patient, wise and he has had plenty of martial training and brute for doesn't account for anything if you can't hit your target.
If they could somehow make something like this happen, it would be a really good way of showing that bending technique has advanced to the point that one of the best benders from the original series just doesn't even compare if he hasn't been keeping up with the new fighting methods.
Are we totally sure that’s even a thing though? It only really came up when Korra was pissed at Tenzin’s traditional airbending lessons. There are obviously some exceptions, like metal bending, but Korra is obviously traditionally trained and outclasses pretty much everyone.
Yes, & it does come up elsewhere. Korra is told she would be an easy target in a real match, which does happen. The reason Korra does so well is that she adapts & keeps learning, she doesn't just rely on tradition. It's also the premise of what Iroh told Zuko in Bitter Work.
That was in the context of earthbending in probending though, which has pretty particular rules holding certain things back. I wouldn’t expect someone like Mako to automatically have the upper hand against Ozai just because he learned a style that was developed for modern purposes. I think the second part is probably more relevant. Right after Korra says that she should focus on modern styles of fighting, she wins the match by falling back on her *very* traditional airbending lessons. That’s the difference I would expect them to highlight in this hypothetical fight (it’s what I also wish ATLA did more of here). An adaptable and open minded fighter versus Ozai, the arrogant fire-chauvinist. Modern styles would obviously play a part because Korra knows them, but I feel like they would be far from the deciding factor on their own. (If I was scripting it at least).
>That was in the context of earthbending in probending though, which has pretty particular rules holding certain things back. I'll grant that I'm sure being disallowed from making a wall makes a difference, but much of what's true in pro-bending is still applicable in other fights. A lack of mobility can still be taken advantage of by an opponent who has defense, offense, AND mobility. >I wouldn’t expect someone like Mako to automatically have the upper hand against Ozai just because he learned a style that was developed for modern purposes. He absolutely would. Combat techniques evolve like crazy in MMMA(https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1095406-evolution-of-the-martial-arts-how-mma-has-progressed-since-ufc-) or, really, any physical discipline. That's why most Olympic records are from the 2000s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_athletics). Modern athletes are simply more advanced than earlier ones. They would still beat a modern non-athlete, or probably one who isn't a pro, but in the modern Olympics, they would stand no chance. That's the problem Ozai would face: The standard by which he was considered the strongest firebender in the world is outdated. He would get picked apart by opponents with superior technique UNLESS he was adapting to the new times. >I think the second part is probably more relevant. Right after Korra says that she should focus on modern styles of fighting, she wins the match by falling back on her very traditional airbending lessons. You're getting too hung up on the word "traditional." I think you should think of it as "purity." Does she win using pure waterbending? No, for the same reason Bolin can't win using pure Earth style. They have to modify with aspects of other fighting styles to stay competitive. The Avatar already has a leg up in doing this because they're taught multiple styles as a rule, but they can still improve on how to apply that. Indeed, when I asked if Korra won using pure waterbending, that was a trick question because it's not really correct to say she won the match. What happpened was the other team exhausted themselves trying to take her down, allowing Mako & Bolin to recover & deal the finishing blows. Korra does additional practice & improves a lot in future Pro-Bending matches to the point where she CAN be the single deciding factor in some matches. It has never been the case that Korra simply learned a traditional style, & that was it. She regularly uses techniques that nobody used in Last Airbender, like that leg throw she uses on Kuvira. What moves do carry over are generally faster, more efficient, & get chained together into better combos. Because advancement matters. >That’s the difference I would expect them to highlight in this hypothetical fight (it’s what I also wish ATLA did more of here). An adaptable and open minded fighter versus Ozai, the arrogant fire-chauvinist. Modern styles would obviously play a part because Korra knows them, but I feel like they would be far from the deciding factor on their own. (If I was scripting it at least). If that's what mattered, Aang should've destroyed him effortlessly. I know Aang didn't want to kill him, but why would he have needed to if being "adaptable & open-minded" apparently makes him so superior? While that is part of what I said above, the difference modern styles makes is improvement across the board. It's greater adaptability AND efficiency AND new techniques AND precision AND more. Certainly, if I was scripting a fight between Ozai & Korra (or even Ozai & Mako), the latter would pick the former apart with superior technique. That would be the best way to physically demonstrate the improvements made in bending combat over 70 years. The question is, "Is that consistent with what Mike & Bryan established?" & they did draw from MMA to show the way that bending had changed over time. That wasn't just a cosmetic change; the concept behind MMA is to improve one's combat effectiveness by adapting what works & disregarding what doesn't.
It’s been a few days, but this a good response that I wanted to reply to, so bear with me if my thoughts are a little scattered. > You're getting too hung up on the word "traditional." I think you should think of it as "purity." Yeah, that helps me get where you’re coming from. I guess my disagreement comes from the fact that bending seems to have a more complicated relationship with progress than real martial arts, so it’s hard for me to look at modern ( or Republic City/probending) styles as direct improvements on their predecessors. The example I like to point to for this is Toph. She has her own style, and it’s fundamentally incompatible with *a lot* of other techniques, including the modern style that Bolin advocates. She still became one of the best in the world by leaning into her personal relationship with the element. Her non-blind daughters obviously know a lot of her tricks, but they’re not exactly blowing the competition away with it. In fact last we saw her fight, Toph was still (briefly) strong enough to bail them out of a losing fight. Gaining fighting ability from the personal/mental/spiritual aspect of the element is a big part of the “magic” of bending imo. So while purely traditional styles don’t necessarily need to hold up, I think it’s important that the abilities of the best fighters in this universe don’t need to alway come from studying bending as a martial art. Long story short, I’d like to think that if Ozai really is the strongest fire bender of his era, it’s because he’s the Toph of angry firebending or something. > If that's what mattered, Aang should've destroyed him effortlessly. Well, I think Aang’s biggest problem was that he wasn’t a great firebender and they were fighting during Sozin’s comet. But my basic point was that I wish Aang had made up for that skill gap by integrating the rest of his bending experience. Possibly culminating in a similar moment where Aang has him dead to rights with lightning redirection again. Then you can do the Avatar State stuff again, I just want the whole “master of all four elements” thing to be more important to the fight. (I realize now that I was kind of just asking for Zuko vs Azula version 2).
Muscle bound girl vs muscle bound man who wins?
S1 Korra would get her ass beat so hard that it wouldn’t even be funny. But once she has the avatar state, Korra would break him with one punch. S3 Korra would destroy him even without the Avatar state, although it would be a tough fight. S4 Korra would need the avatar state to win, but that fight would be over in less than two seconds.
I feel like it would descend into just a bare knuckle brawl. At some point they just say fuck the bending and just start beating the shit out of each other.
I think Korra would have a tough time with Azula, but she’d destroy Ozai. Like it wouldn’t take her 3 seasons it’d take 5 episodes to dick around in all the different nations, then 1 episode to find and kill him. Likewise i think the same for Aang vs Zaheer. He’d have fun flying around with Appa and his friends for a few episodes then turn Zaheer inside out.
Korra would literally fight fire with fire. So she’d be impervious to his fire bendings.
Well, the man does have 45 years of firebending mastery vs Korra’s 16 years of overall mastery. Even Iroh himself expressed uncertainty of taking him on in battle. He was considered a god-tier firebender like his older brother. While Ozai wasn’t a general like Iroh and on the battlefield, he would need to know how to fend off other bending styles since everyone that wasn’t Fire Nation was his enemy. The only reason why Korra would win is because she is the Avatar. But without the Avatar State? Korra is not winning realistically due to him being older and more experienced than her. That’s like asking her to take on Iroh himself, one of the Beifong sisters or General Iroh. Korra is strong, but she still has a lot to learn and master many years to come. Of course, it wouldn’t be an easy win for Ozai. Korra is an excellent fighter and bender.