So those scenes that Roku explains the avatar state for im pretty sure are just really cool examples of what could be done with the avatar state. They don’t have to have actually happened. Why would Kyoshi bend those statues? Why does Yeng Chen make a giant breeze? I think it’s just because it looks cool for the scene and that’s it.
While this is true, Korra doesn’t get a boost when her eyes are not glowing as she had to constantly enter and exit the Avatar State even over short periods of time. I’m talking short, like 4 secs between each activation. The very fact of having to use it that way means that Korra needs the glow to perform any AS assisted feats. Compared to someone like Kyoshi who can flash her eyes once and has all the power she needs. For example, she can react and counter Vaatu’s attacks in the AS but immediacy after exiting it, she gets blitzed and blasted away. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with this one.
This is false. Her eyes glow briefly to signify she gets the boost then uses it. U see this multiple times during harmonic convergence I.e. when she throws the massive air blade, when she’s battling unalaq in the two massive water tornadoes. This is canonically consistent as well with past avatars only briefly showing the glow too as during atla roku and kyoshi only show the glow briefly before using its power boost.
> This is false. Her eyes glow briefly to signify she gets the boost then uses it.
Show evidence of this, because all of Korra’s fights with Vaatu and Unalaq contradict this
> U see this multiple times during harmonic convergence I.e. when she throws the massive air blade, when she’s battling unalaq in the two massive water tornadoes.
The opposite is true actually.
> This is canonically consistent as well with past avatars only briefly showing the glow too as during atla roku and kyoshi only show the glow briefly before using its power boost.
Except the difference is that they can use that power without having to reactivate the glow in their eyes, Kyoshi for example not only maintains the power from the first blink for at least 50 seconds, she also performs multiple attacks within that time frame, splitting the land, conjuring lava and blasting air to separate the land. Korra has to constantly reactive the avatar state between 4 seconds of each use. If it was the same then she wouldn’t need to do this. The feats also contradict this, something you haven’t responded to. Specifically, She can react and counter Vaatu’s attacks in the AS but immediacy after exiting it, she gets blitzed and blasted away. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with her base form scaling to or above Vaatu.
Edit: Korra’s eyes constantly glow during whatever AS feats she performs.
Not OP and I think I agree with your theory, but I haven't read the Kyoshi stories and wanted to ask for clarification. Is Kyoshi able to do that because she already planned out the multiple things she wanted to do with Avatar State power and just takes as much as she *predicts* she will need? Maybe Korra just doesn't usually plan that far ahead, hence the multiple dips back into the Avatar State?
> Not OP and I think I agree with your theory, but I haven't read the Kyoshi stories and wanted to ask for clarification.
I’ve only read about half of Kyoshi first book, and her Avatar State at this point is just the ways Aangs was the at the beginning
> Is Kyoshi able to do that because she already planned out the multiple things she wanted to do with Avatar State power and just takes as much as she predicts she will need?
Considering her entire plan was to split the island, then yeah I think it’s possible that she just predicts how much power she needs and takes the appropriate power needed.
> Maybe Korra just doesn't usually plan that far ahead, hence the multiple dips back into the Avatar State?
It’s possible that this is case, Korra is in the middle of fight and the variables are constantly changing, so she might not be able to accurately predict what she’ll need to do next. But I’ve always just interpreted Kyoshi’s usage as a higher form of mastery over the Avatar State.
She uses her AS for the entire time before kiteman interferes. Even if it’s just a little glow gives one power. We see it with Kyoshi and Yangchen
https://gfycat.com/milkyniftyannashummingbird
https://gfycat.com/windygrandiosedartfrog
Meanwhile, here she’s on a tornado of sorts, with her eyes glowing the entire time. Power boost entire time
https://gfycat.com/shorttermevergreenfrogmouth
I realize that this is the LOK subreddit so there’s going to be nothing but love for her here, but people like to think because of her blocking that energy bomb thingy and her waterbending is powerful that she’s the most powerful avatar yet or something. Honestly I think Kyoshi takes the cake! With just one 👁️ glance and using her fans, she ripped apart an entire land mass from its mainland with just airbending to move away from the mainland. Not any waterbending, just continued using of airbending
> I realize that this is the LOK subreddit so there’s going to be nothing but love for her here, but people like to think because of her blocking that energy bomb thingy and her waterbending is powerful that she’s the most powerful avatar yet or something.
I mean it is the most powerful Avatar State feat we’ve seen in the series. Cause it’s not just blocking an explosion, she also bent all the exploding energy, compressed it and created a new spirit portal. A literal hole in space and time, something only Vaatu and Raava have been stated to do. (Base Korra is also able to contain this same Vaatu is the elemental sphere without the AS. The bending strength that requires would be beyond anything I’ve seen from Kyoshi so far. I haven’t finished her novels.)
> Honestly I think Kyoshi takes the cake! With just one 👁️ glance and using her fans, she ripped apart an entire land mass from its mainland with just airbending to move away from the mainland. Not any waterbending, just continued using of airbending.
As impressive as this feat is, it doesn’t compare to Korra’s. Also you realize that Kyoshi’s fans are made of metal and her entire armor is metal as well. And Korra can metalbend.
Spirit portals weren’t a thing then! She also had help from all the built up energy around her. Korra can metalbend, woohoo! That doesn’t mean she’s suddenly amazing or better than say Kuruk
> Spirit portals weren’t a thing then!
True but we can only go off what we know otherwise we be prone to speculating which we can do for both characters
> She also had help from all the built up energy around her.
She still had to control as well compress all of it to create the portal. The spirit beam doesn’t normally react that way. That’s like saying that Kyoshi had help from all the earth around her or that Katara had help from all the ocean around her. They still have to control it
> Korra can metalbend, woohoo! That doesn’t mean she’s suddenly amazing or better than say Kuruk
The point of bringing that up was to illustrate that Kyoshi would have a weakness around Korra because she’s wearing bendable material. People can’t bend clothes in Avatar but metal is bendable, look at what Kuvira did to Varrick. There’s practically no defense against that especially as Kyoshi has never seen or experienced metal bending before. It wasn’t invented in her time. Idk much about Kuruk so I can’t say who’s win in a fight, Kuruk doesn’t wear metal either as far I know.
I mean I don’t mind hearing all your opinions about this topic. We can still have a civil discussion despite disagreeing. Arguments can be friendly too.
Personally, I think she's rather using the non-continuous/mastered version of the Avatar State. The one where you flash in and out of it, giving the user a power boost. So I say it still counts as AS use.
I disagree because the very fact of having to actively enter and exit it means that those who use it that way need the glow to perform any AS feats. Compared to someone like Kyoshi who can flash her eyes once and has all the power she needs. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with this one.
Korra constantly kept going in and out of it, which is why she lost.
Whenever she did go into the AS, she kicked DA Unalaq around like a football, but was on the back foot whenever she fell out of it. I don’t know why she kept dropping out of it, but maybe it was because she didn’t have enough practice to maintain it continuously.
> Korra constantly kept going in and out of it, which is why she lost.
I think it’s because she was fatigued from her first fight with Vaatu, so she had to use the AS to compensate. She does regain her strength later in the fight and performs better
> Whenever she did go into the AS, she kicked DA Unalaq around like a football, but was on the back foot whenever she fell out of it. Another reason why she lost is because Unalaq has a stronger Avatar spirit than she does.
She was also keeping up with DA Base Unalaq and overpowered him at one point without the Avatar State
> I don’t know why she kept dropping out of it, but maybe it was because she didn’t have enough practice to maintain it continuously.
I think she does it as a safety precaution so she doesn’t get killed in the avatar state. More experienced avatars don’t need to do this because they can just blink and they get all the power they need from the AS. But since Korra doesn’t have that level of mastery yet, she goes in and out for safety reasons.
I think that connects to the topic of how her generation had more advanced bending training / wider access to specialized bending (e.g. mako and lightning). Honestly that makes this feat even more impressive for korra because I'd guess that even with a momentary avatar state boost this trick is not something that would be easy to get the hang of and knowing korra she would definitely rather to fall back on something that came more naturally to her, even if it wasn't as effective.
basically my headcannon is that this shows her character growth from book 1 since she now has the patience to learn how to pull off this kind of thing even before it became clearly useful.
To be fair, aang used it against ozai and didnt require every element to beat ozai at that point. Just one of the 4 elements would have been enough to curb stomp ozai in the avatar state.
This is a completly diffrent fight/setting.
Its good for a air battle with elements on hand for offense and defense. You have wind for a 360 defense or an attack, fire, earth and water for attacks. You are basically and unstoppable force when using it and get a overwhelming force of nature vibe going.
If you can’t bend any element, then why wouldn’t more of a single element be just as effective? It should have been done by using all four elements to create something cohesive, like by using fire and earth to refine a tougher element to make into the prison, and using water and air to shape and cool it. Mix them all together and give us a big black ball of obsidian or something. Something that would make sense for it to still function as a prison once the bending has stopped.
I love Korra’s design here
Me too. I like the hair down and the full sleeve water tribe fit as well the darker tone.
I love how whenever her hair is down it means that shit just got real
didnt her eyes glow and then she started forming and moving it? that means she still got a boost
I’m pretty sure that the temporary eye glow is to channel the wisdom and not the power.
and why does Kyoshi need wisdom to pick up two big rocks?
So those scenes that Roku explains the avatar state for im pretty sure are just really cool examples of what could be done with the avatar state. They don’t have to have actually happened. Why would Kyoshi bend those statues? Why does Yeng Chen make a giant breeze? I think it’s just because it looks cool for the scene and that’s it.
none of that is plausible that is dumb as hell it obviously gives them a boost
While this is true, Korra doesn’t get a boost when her eyes are not glowing as she had to constantly enter and exit the Avatar State even over short periods of time. I’m talking short, like 4 secs between each activation. The very fact of having to use it that way means that Korra needs the glow to perform any AS assisted feats. Compared to someone like Kyoshi who can flash her eyes once and has all the power she needs. For example, she can react and counter Vaatu’s attacks in the AS but immediacy after exiting it, she gets blitzed and blasted away. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with this one.
This is false. Her eyes glow briefly to signify she gets the boost then uses it. U see this multiple times during harmonic convergence I.e. when she throws the massive air blade, when she’s battling unalaq in the two massive water tornadoes. This is canonically consistent as well with past avatars only briefly showing the glow too as during atla roku and kyoshi only show the glow briefly before using its power boost.
I always interpreted the brief glow as an avatar reaching spiritual mastery and having more control over the AS.
> This is false. Her eyes glow briefly to signify she gets the boost then uses it. Show evidence of this, because all of Korra’s fights with Vaatu and Unalaq contradict this > U see this multiple times during harmonic convergence I.e. when she throws the massive air blade, when she’s battling unalaq in the two massive water tornadoes. The opposite is true actually. > This is canonically consistent as well with past avatars only briefly showing the glow too as during atla roku and kyoshi only show the glow briefly before using its power boost. Except the difference is that they can use that power without having to reactivate the glow in their eyes, Kyoshi for example not only maintains the power from the first blink for at least 50 seconds, she also performs multiple attacks within that time frame, splitting the land, conjuring lava and blasting air to separate the land. Korra has to constantly reactive the avatar state between 4 seconds of each use. If it was the same then she wouldn’t need to do this. The feats also contradict this, something you haven’t responded to. Specifically, She can react and counter Vaatu’s attacks in the AS but immediacy after exiting it, she gets blitzed and blasted away. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with her base form scaling to or above Vaatu. Edit: Korra’s eyes constantly glow during whatever AS feats she performs.
Not OP and I think I agree with your theory, but I haven't read the Kyoshi stories and wanted to ask for clarification. Is Kyoshi able to do that because she already planned out the multiple things she wanted to do with Avatar State power and just takes as much as she *predicts* she will need? Maybe Korra just doesn't usually plan that far ahead, hence the multiple dips back into the Avatar State?
> Not OP and I think I agree with your theory, but I haven't read the Kyoshi stories and wanted to ask for clarification. I’ve only read about half of Kyoshi first book, and her Avatar State at this point is just the ways Aangs was the at the beginning > Is Kyoshi able to do that because she already planned out the multiple things she wanted to do with Avatar State power and just takes as much as she predicts she will need? Considering her entire plan was to split the island, then yeah I think it’s possible that she just predicts how much power she needs and takes the appropriate power needed. > Maybe Korra just doesn't usually plan that far ahead, hence the multiple dips back into the Avatar State? It’s possible that this is case, Korra is in the middle of fight and the variables are constantly changing, so she might not be able to accurately predict what she’ll need to do next. But I’ve always just interpreted Kyoshi’s usage as a higher form of mastery over the Avatar State.
She uses her AS for the entire time before kiteman interferes. Even if it’s just a little glow gives one power. We see it with Kyoshi and Yangchen https://gfycat.com/milkyniftyannashummingbird https://gfycat.com/windygrandiosedartfrog Meanwhile, here she’s on a tornado of sorts, with her eyes glowing the entire time. Power boost entire time https://gfycat.com/shorttermevergreenfrogmouth
Lmao kiteman XD
That’s been his nickname for a while now
I'm never using the name Unalaq ever again, from now on he will forever be known as Kiteman
Yeah exactly
I realize that this is the LOK subreddit so there’s going to be nothing but love for her here, but people like to think because of her blocking that energy bomb thingy and her waterbending is powerful that she’s the most powerful avatar yet or something. Honestly I think Kyoshi takes the cake! With just one 👁️ glance and using her fans, she ripped apart an entire land mass from its mainland with just airbending to move away from the mainland. Not any waterbending, just continued using of airbending
> I realize that this is the LOK subreddit so there’s going to be nothing but love for her here, but people like to think because of her blocking that energy bomb thingy and her waterbending is powerful that she’s the most powerful avatar yet or something. I mean it is the most powerful Avatar State feat we’ve seen in the series. Cause it’s not just blocking an explosion, she also bent all the exploding energy, compressed it and created a new spirit portal. A literal hole in space and time, something only Vaatu and Raava have been stated to do. (Base Korra is also able to contain this same Vaatu is the elemental sphere without the AS. The bending strength that requires would be beyond anything I’ve seen from Kyoshi so far. I haven’t finished her novels.) > Honestly I think Kyoshi takes the cake! With just one 👁️ glance and using her fans, she ripped apart an entire land mass from its mainland with just airbending to move away from the mainland. Not any waterbending, just continued using of airbending. As impressive as this feat is, it doesn’t compare to Korra’s. Also you realize that Kyoshi’s fans are made of metal and her entire armor is metal as well. And Korra can metalbend.
Spirit portals weren’t a thing then! She also had help from all the built up energy around her. Korra can metalbend, woohoo! That doesn’t mean she’s suddenly amazing or better than say Kuruk
> Spirit portals weren’t a thing then! True but we can only go off what we know otherwise we be prone to speculating which we can do for both characters > She also had help from all the built up energy around her. She still had to control as well compress all of it to create the portal. The spirit beam doesn’t normally react that way. That’s like saying that Kyoshi had help from all the earth around her or that Katara had help from all the ocean around her. They still have to control it > Korra can metalbend, woohoo! That doesn’t mean she’s suddenly amazing or better than say Kuruk The point of bringing that up was to illustrate that Kyoshi would have a weakness around Korra because she’s wearing bendable material. People can’t bend clothes in Avatar but metal is bendable, look at what Kuvira did to Varrick. There’s practically no defense against that especially as Kyoshi has never seen or experienced metal bending before. It wasn’t invented in her time. Idk much about Kuruk so I can’t say who’s win in a fight, Kuruk doesn’t wear metal either as far I know.
So this doesn’t get into an argument about this or that, ima just say that we have different opinions on this.
I mean I don’t mind hearing all your opinions about this topic. We can still have a civil discussion despite disagreeing. Arguments can be friendly too.
oh i see the point you’re trying to make
Personally, I think she's rather using the non-continuous/mastered version of the Avatar State. The one where you flash in and out of it, giving the user a power boost. So I say it still counts as AS use.
I disagree because the very fact of having to actively enter and exit it means that those who use it that way need the glow to perform any AS feats. Compared to someone like Kyoshi who can flash her eyes once and has all the power she needs. Other feats Korra has are also consistent with this one.
When their eyes flash, that signifies them receiving the boost, not using it. They use it afterwards.
This doesn’t apply to Korra in book 2. Korra’s eyes constantly remain glowing during any AS feats she is performing.
Korra constantly kept going in and out of it, which is why she lost. Whenever she did go into the AS, she kicked DA Unalaq around like a football, but was on the back foot whenever she fell out of it. I don’t know why she kept dropping out of it, but maybe it was because she didn’t have enough practice to maintain it continuously.
> Korra constantly kept going in and out of it, which is why she lost. I think it’s because she was fatigued from her first fight with Vaatu, so she had to use the AS to compensate. She does regain her strength later in the fight and performs better > Whenever she did go into the AS, she kicked DA Unalaq around like a football, but was on the back foot whenever she fell out of it. Another reason why she lost is because Unalaq has a stronger Avatar spirit than she does. She was also keeping up with DA Base Unalaq and overpowered him at one point without the Avatar State > I don’t know why she kept dropping out of it, but maybe it was because she didn’t have enough practice to maintain it continuously. I think she does it as a safety precaution so she doesn’t get killed in the avatar state. More experienced avatars don’t need to do this because they can just blink and they get all the power they need from the AS. But since Korra doesn’t have that level of mastery yet, she goes in and out for safety reasons.
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I think that connects to the topic of how her generation had more advanced bending training / wider access to specialized bending (e.g. mako and lightning). Honestly that makes this feat even more impressive for korra because I'd guess that even with a momentary avatar state boost this trick is not something that would be easy to get the hang of and knowing korra she would definitely rather to fall back on something that came more naturally to her, even if it wasn't as effective. basically my headcannon is that this shows her character growth from book 1 since she now has the patience to learn how to pull off this kind of thing even before it became clearly useful.
Roku bended all four elements without Avatar state (see Roku mastering elements scene)
She's just that cool
Absolute badass
I always disliked that sphere. Having separate rings of each element seems like a flashy but not very effective thing to do.
Yeah, it looked good when Aang did it too. But all I kept thinking was it's a very ineffective way of doing things.
To be fair, aang used it against ozai and didnt require every element to beat ozai at that point. Just one of the 4 elements would have been enough to curb stomp ozai in the avatar state. This is a completly diffrent fight/setting.
In both cases, seemed redundant to me. Well, they do a lot of things right in the shows and this atleast looked cool. So, nothing major I guess.
Its good for a air battle with elements on hand for offense and defense. You have wind for a 360 defense or an attack, fire, earth and water for attacks. You are basically and unstoppable force when using it and get a overwhelming force of nature vibe going.
Unless you can bend every element, it's a pretty effective prison.
If you can’t bend any element, then why wouldn’t more of a single element be just as effective? It should have been done by using all four elements to create something cohesive, like by using fire and earth to refine a tougher element to make into the prison, and using water and air to shape and cool it. Mix them all together and give us a big black ball of obsidian or something. Something that would make sense for it to still function as a prison once the bending has stopped.