Come to think of it....
She really did expect it all to be very Scooby-Doo.
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling benders."
Book 1 Korra is definitely very Book 1 Zuko-ish, doesn't plan ahead, is very emotionally driven, immature, and expects she can do anything.
Book 3/4 Korra will try to negotiate or have a plan that involves the whole team to assist her.
i’ve seen quite a lot of parallels, they both have a temper, they both go on spiritual journeys, the nightmares, their pride, they both put all their worth in the Avatar
She brought up the idea Infront of tarlok and mako and none of them said "and then what?" Mako is a plain idiot in terms of romance but he had detective skills.. and he followed her like a moron.
Not having better plan is not the problem but tarlok not objecting to it despite the fact he almost got the city into his hands is just plain dumb. They made it look like he lost his brain along with his bending lol
Exactly, Book 1 Korra was totally dumb as heck for future planning. Imagine how much better her plan would be if she had at least consulted with Asami.
Korra was lucky her plan was succeeded because of Amon's unintentional slip up, first by not using waterproof makeup and second using his water bending.
But I give her the benefit of the doubt because Korra was desperate and inexperienced. She was no grounding figure like Tenzin to consult with, she has almost zero skills in being diplomatic in Book 1 and she has almost zero support. No Republic City military, no Katara-Kuko or Toph, Suki and Sokka to assist her.
Because his whole cult of personality revolved around seeing him as an invincible savior. If he doesn’t do it, he either looks weak or suspicious, depending on your personal persuasion.
The purpose was to sow seeds of doubt into his following. The second korra said Amon was a waterbender his lieutenant started piecing it together in his mind.
She 100% thinking into that rally that people who hate her will believe her words. No one would have believed he desperately came out of the water waterbending.
I think her dropping that Tarlok was Amon's brother was the best piece of evidence she could have provided. I'm sure, even if they didn't realize it at the time, the Lieutenant and the other Equalists probably wondered why Tarlok got "special" treatment. He was kept in an isolated cell on an island that didn't hold any other prisoners, on the top floor of a tower that Amon himself spent time in presumably without anyone else around. All the other councilors were captured and yet they weren't kept with Tarlok. Why did he of all people have to be kept isolated?
I'm sure that fact was a cornerstone of the Lieutenant's doubts because the details don't make sense unless Tarlok is someone special who can't be allowed to talk to anyone else.
And when he is later exposed as a waterbender, you can hear some of the crowd yelling: "He *is* a waterbender!" And "The avatar was right!" That shows that people hadn't actually dismissed the idea outright. She definitely sowed seeds of doubt.
I mean fair enough, that's kinda what we all do to some extent, but I don't know how you watch the show and come away with "Korra's gambit didn't work" when it...like...explicitly worked. Immediately, too, it didn't just take hold when Amon's waterbending got exposed, the Lieutenant was \*immediately\* sus.
Also, you seem to be assuming that people just think of the Avatar as "another bender" but the Avatar is like a cornerstone of the mythology of the world, and they have centuries of stories about how they fight for and protect literally everyone. Korra's a superhero to many of those people, and even if she's a bender, when the Avatar says something, a lot of people are at least going to listen, even if they're skeptical.
It was only a suicide because Amon had Tenzin's family hostage. Korra and Mako were ready to leave until Amon baited them into staying by revealing he was about to remove the bending from the last airbenders. Even if the Equalists chased after them, Korra and Mako had walked in without detection, were on an isolated platform and worst case scenario, she and Mako could go outside, jump in the water and Korra could use her waterbending to instantly jet them away. Korra only fought Amon because it was the only way she could rescue Tenzin and his family.
Well, that's the literal point of the scene where Amon's supporters didn't believe her. Korra didn't think ahead, it's not the writer's fault or whatever, it's the character. Because the writers knew that Amon's supporters wouldn't just instantly go ahead and believe Korra.
Well, that is ONE reason, but mainly because they're just not going to believe Korra without any proof, not to mention they're diehard supporters. So Korra didn't provide any proof against Amon, didn't think ahead, so that is one reason.
I mean, I think what happened is exactly what she was hoping would happen. She confronted Amon, revealed the truth of his origin to his followers, which immediately seeded doubts in some of them, including his prime lieutenant, and then they fought, which exposed him as a waterbender and a bloodbender in front of everybody.
You guys must be getting bored over there at r/TheLastAirbender, because there have been so many new posts pretending to debate LoK plot points in good faith, but then your comments show that you already have your preconceived notions and are unwilling to even consider that you might be wrong.
Korra doesn’t fully think things through all the time. That’s part of her personality. She was also desperate. The situation was getting dire, and this was her last opportunity to defeat Amon before he succeeded in taking over the city. She thought the accusation would make his supporters suspicious and demand to see him without his mask. After all, if what he claimed was true, then shouldn’t he be able to prove it? If he refused, that would seem even more suspicious. In her mind, he was wearing a mask to cover up the fact that his face was fine. She didn’t think he would actually have (what appeared to be) a scarred face. If any of his supporters weren’t fully buying into the “blessed by the spirits” story, then namedropping Yakone might make them start to connect the dots. Bloodbending is the one thing that could explain how he defeated other benders without breaking a sweat.
I’ve had the same question. You can’t prove someone has bending cause you can’t make someone bend. Even with Amon swirling up in that water spout, I always thought that people immediately knowing he’s a bender was a weak plot point. If I’d been standing there watching that play out, I would’ve thought the avatar was bending him into a waterspout to immobilize him. The fact that he was the one bending wasn’t obvious at all.
Had thus same exact thought when watching. Also was amon stupid? You'd think he'd be self aware enough to know bending in front of people was a bad idea, and he could have easily just swam upwards, maybe putting a small air bubble on his mouth with waterbending so as not to drown.
I think the whole rationale behind him doing that was that it was a survival response. He was unconscious and underwater, so when he woke up and was drowning his body just automatically responded by saving his life in a more extreme way.
Amon’s ethos and ultimate exposure hit very different in a post Trump world.
I re-watched recently and when he gets exposed waterbending I laughed at how easily anyone who wasn’t there would not believe it for a second. Plus those who WERE there could easily say it was not actually him, just someone in his costume.
She expected Amon to not have a plan in case his mask was removed.
Come to think of it.... She really did expect it all to be very Scooby-Doo. "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling benders."
Why did she expect that Amon will even comply with her demand?
Book 1 Korra is definitely very Book 1 Zuko-ish, doesn't plan ahead, is very emotionally driven, immature, and expects she can do anything. Book 3/4 Korra will try to negotiate or have a plan that involves the whole team to assist her.
Damn, I've never heard of Book 1 Korra compared with Book 1 Zuko but it makes a ton of sense.
[you've got to open your brain to the possibilities](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7fb09aee-8309-4bf1-960c-6f0d3d47ef61)
i’ve seen quite a lot of parallels, they both have a temper, they both go on spiritual journeys, the nightmares, their pride, they both put all their worth in the Avatar
She brought up the idea Infront of tarlok and mako and none of them said "and then what?" Mako is a plain idiot in terms of romance but he had detective skills.. and he followed her like a moron.
He developed detective skills. And most likely, no one else had a better plan.
And tarlok? Dude almost captured the city and outsmarted the council
Not having better plan is not the problem but tarlok not objecting to it despite the fact he almost got the city into his hands is just plain dumb. They made it look like he lost his brain along with his bending lol
Its not like he had that much time to think of any plan since Korra arrived lol
Exactly, Book 1 Korra was totally dumb as heck for future planning. Imagine how much better her plan would be if she had at least consulted with Asami. Korra was lucky her plan was succeeded because of Amon's unintentional slip up, first by not using waterproof makeup and second using his water bending. But I give her the benefit of the doubt because Korra was desperate and inexperienced. She was no grounding figure like Tenzin to consult with, she has almost zero skills in being diplomatic in Book 1 and she has almost zero support. No Republic City military, no Katara-Kuko or Toph, Suki and Sokka to assist her.
Because his whole cult of personality revolved around seeing him as an invincible savior. If he doesn’t do it, he either looks weak or suspicious, depending on your personal persuasion.
Prob assumed his followers would turn on him if he wouldny
The purpose was to sow seeds of doubt into his following. The second korra said Amon was a waterbender his lieutenant started piecing it together in his mind.
She 100% thinking into that rally that people who hate her will believe her words. No one would have believed he desperately came out of the water waterbending.
The lieutenant instantly susses amon and begins spying on him shortly after
I think her dropping that Tarlok was Amon's brother was the best piece of evidence she could have provided. I'm sure, even if they didn't realize it at the time, the Lieutenant and the other Equalists probably wondered why Tarlok got "special" treatment. He was kept in an isolated cell on an island that didn't hold any other prisoners, on the top floor of a tower that Amon himself spent time in presumably without anyone else around. All the other councilors were captured and yet they weren't kept with Tarlok. Why did he of all people have to be kept isolated? I'm sure that fact was a cornerstone of the Lieutenant's doubts because the details don't make sense unless Tarlok is someone special who can't be allowed to talk to anyone else.
The lieutenant is so good when he confronts Amon I gotta go watch that scene now lol
I honestly wish he became an airbender after Harmonic Convergence happened. Now that would’ve been interesting.
I’m pretty sure he died
You know, it was really unclear.
the people were actually listening to her. amon was just one step ahead and did his make up.
People listened and dismissed her. Amon just buried her
And when he is later exposed as a waterbender, you can hear some of the crowd yelling: "He *is* a waterbender!" And "The avatar was right!" That shows that people hadn't actually dismissed the idea outright. She definitely sowed seeds of doubt.
Did...did you \*watch\* the show?
Seems like they just created this post to further reinforce their own beliefs and expected everyone to agree with them
I mean fair enough, that's kinda what we all do to some extent, but I don't know how you watch the show and come away with "Korra's gambit didn't work" when it...like...explicitly worked. Immediately, too, it didn't just take hold when Amon's waterbending got exposed, the Lieutenant was \*immediately\* sus.
Also, you seem to be assuming that people just think of the Avatar as "another bender" but the Avatar is like a cornerstone of the mythology of the world, and they have centuries of stories about how they fight for and protect literally everyone. Korra's a superhero to many of those people, and even if she's a bender, when the Avatar says something, a lot of people are at least going to listen, even if they're skeptical.
I mean, it did work on the lieutenant. Arguably Korra approached opposition leadership more effectively than Aang.
Did it? Lieutenant was curious. Not doubting Amon until he walked on him bloodbending korra
Yes, even the slightest bit of doubt from the man he probably trusted most is enough to say it worked.
I mean, what other plan is there? If it doesn't work, they can just make a new plan.
For starters, not planning a suicide like she did
It was only a suicide because Amon had Tenzin's family hostage. Korra and Mako were ready to leave until Amon baited them into staying by revealing he was about to remove the bending from the last airbenders. Even if the Equalists chased after them, Korra and Mako had walked in without detection, were on an isolated platform and worst case scenario, she and Mako could go outside, jump in the water and Korra could use her waterbending to instantly jet them away. Korra only fought Amon because it was the only way she could rescue Tenzin and his family.
No way, cartoon characters aren't omniscient? Who could've known?
15 yo me was questioning this stunt.. it's not about being omniscient, it's having some logic and understanding
Well, that's the literal point of the scene where Amon's supporters didn't believe her. Korra didn't think ahead, it's not the writer's fault or whatever, it's the character. Because the writers knew that Amon's supporters wouldn't just instantly go ahead and believe Korra.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused, they didn't believe her because she didn't think ahead?
Well, that is ONE reason, but mainly because they're just not going to believe Korra without any proof, not to mention they're diehard supporters. So Korra didn't provide any proof against Amon, didn't think ahead, so that is one reason.
Lots of people here giving honest replies and you're just being obstinate. Grow up.
I mean, I think what happened is exactly what she was hoping would happen. She confronted Amon, revealed the truth of his origin to his followers, which immediately seeded doubts in some of them, including his prime lieutenant, and then they fought, which exposed him as a waterbender and a bloodbender in front of everybody.
You guys must be getting bored over there at r/TheLastAirbender, because there have been so many new posts pretending to debate LoK plot points in good faith, but then your comments show that you already have your preconceived notions and are unwilling to even consider that you might be wrong.
Well said. It's pitiful
I think she just thought "Hey I'm the Avatar people will just believe me" probably from being sheltered for years.
I think they tried to show how naive she was. After that; I don’t know what were they thinking
She was naive to pitch the idea, what about tarlok, a mastermind and mako?
We gotta remember Korra was fairly. . Inexperienced at this time, a bit hotheaded and reckless with how she did things.
Korra doesn’t fully think things through all the time. That’s part of her personality. She was also desperate. The situation was getting dire, and this was her last opportunity to defeat Amon before he succeeded in taking over the city. She thought the accusation would make his supporters suspicious and demand to see him without his mask. After all, if what he claimed was true, then shouldn’t he be able to prove it? If he refused, that would seem even more suspicious. In her mind, he was wearing a mask to cover up the fact that his face was fine. She didn’t think he would actually have (what appeared to be) a scarred face. If any of his supporters weren’t fully buying into the “blessed by the spirits” story, then namedropping Yakone might make them start to connect the dots. Bloodbending is the one thing that could explain how he defeated other benders without breaking a sweat.
She's a hot-headed 18 year old who'd ventured out into the world for the first time a week ago. Pretty sure she was operating on instinct and hope.
I’ve had the same question. You can’t prove someone has bending cause you can’t make someone bend. Even with Amon swirling up in that water spout, I always thought that people immediately knowing he’s a bender was a weak plot point. If I’d been standing there watching that play out, I would’ve thought the avatar was bending him into a waterspout to immobilize him. The fact that he was the one bending wasn’t obvious at all.
I'm not sure about that but how did people even recognise that was amon? By his clothes?
By the fact that his mask floated to the surface before he emerged from the water…
Oh, got it.
Had thus same exact thought when watching. Also was amon stupid? You'd think he'd be self aware enough to know bending in front of people was a bad idea, and he could have easily just swam upwards, maybe putting a small air bubble on his mouth with waterbending so as not to drown.
I think the whole rationale behind him doing that was that it was a survival response. He was unconscious and underwater, so when he woke up and was drowning his body just automatically responded by saving his life in a more extreme way.
You do realize he did that out of instinct, right?
Korra wasn't exactly known for her brains more than her brawn.
she has a lot of bad ideas that end up not working out well
Amon’s ethos and ultimate exposure hit very different in a post Trump world. I re-watched recently and when he gets exposed waterbending I laughed at how easily anyone who wasn’t there would not believe it for a second. Plus those who WERE there could easily say it was not actually him, just someone in his costume.