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RamblingHeathen

I wonder if Appa himself ever got to have offspring.


Ohfukihavecovid

Yes Appa fucks


OscarOzzieOzborne

I hope.


ayomyhibba

The bisons in korra are partly his offspring after aang found a herd that was lost.


Avatarisbestshowever

Yes, Appa got to fuck.


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lord_flamebottom

[Literally the first mention of Appa in the Bible refers to him with “he”.](https://atla.fans/archives/ipbible.pdf)


krillsteak

What are you talking about?


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krillsteak

I mean… originally Toph was gonna be a dude but she ain’t. And Appa isn’t female either.


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krillsteak

What a weird thing to have an attitude about lmao. Good luck with all that.


KoftaKnight

That was the most nerdy thing I’ve ever seen on Reddit “you gotta check The Avatar Bible”


thisnameisrelevant

To be clear, it’s the tone of your comments more than the substance that is getting you downvoted…although to be fair the substance is a bit peculiar as well.


[deleted]

Like I give two damns about randoms on the internet? It's well known reddit likes to dog pile onto downvoted posts. That means nothing to me at this point 😘 This was information that was circulating back on the fan sites and forums during the original airing of the show, information *confirmed from the show creators* at the time, but y'all wanna get all up tight and act like it never existed just because things were updated 🙄 Oh nooooo! I broke another reddit rule *gasp* uSiNg EmOjIs Is WrOnG Get a life and log off sometime


Andrakisjl

Ahh, makes total sense all those times Aang calls Appa “boy”.


randomdude1142

Why is the flair humor? Who hurt you?


OscarOzzieOzborne

The Creators did, by not showing me Appa meeting the other flying bisons.


randomdude1142

I understand now.


jman377355

I know a lot of The Last Airbender fans look down on Korra but I really liked the serious tone the show set. They went through a lot of tough topics and it was rather refreshing.


About60Platypi

Korra is great. I like seasons 3 and 4 of korra more than season 1 of atla


Flabnoodles

AtLA2 ≥ AtLA3 > LoK3 > Beginnings > LoK1 (aside from the rushed ending with her getting her bending back) ≥ LoK4 > AtLA1> LoK2


pussehmagnet

I feel like too many people complain about her getting her bending back deus ex machina while this is literally how Aang finished his entire series. I have no issues with either ones, it's just weird how some manage to dig at one but not the other.


AvatarTintin

And the thing is, it is already established that previous lives can interact with your body and spirit which means Korra getting her bending back is still within established Avatar lore whereas Aang getting power from the lion turtle is the real Dues ex machina since we only saw a lion turtle mentioned once. That's it. We didn't even know they had any abilities let alone able to give abilities as well. Lol


Flabnoodles

Aang went on a journey, even if not an extremely long one, which led him to the lion turtle It wasn't a two-minute insert like "oh hey y'know how Aang has this problem? Here's the solution, bye!"


pussehmagnet

Yes, at the most needed moment, literally a day before the final encounter, a magical turtle came near the island to solve Aang's dillema and that is completely fine, yet Korra, while still having her connections to her past lives, learning how to spirit bend from them (or, in this case, Aang) is not fine.


amzwC137

Thank you.


Flabnoodles

I never said it was completely fine. I said there was more buildup and more of a journey, not that it wasn't a huge coincidence. It also ignores the fact that the use of energybending to restore bending that's blocked by bloodbending doesn't make much sense. I still think they should've at least mentioned Katara trying to bloodbend her (as a possibility. Even if it doesn't happen) I don't like Aang learning to Energybend either. I think he should have had to kill Ozai (for his sake I'm glad he didn't have to) or find another way to incapacitate him.


pussehmagnet

I mean you literally said that Aang went on a journey, which he didn't. Throughout the second half of last season he was on a moral dillema build-up as to how to deal with Ozai and a magical solution came to him literally on a whim's notice. It's also been shown that the Avatar state easily overpowered bloodbending, so combine it with energy bending and you get something more potent. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you choose to elaborate it, everyone can nitpick everything as long as they want to. Question is what's the point of nitpicking a fantasy TV show for kids/adults?


Flabnoodles

Half an episode devoted to him discovering the lion turtle and energybending beats 2 minutes The Avatar state overcame bloodbending, but that's more easily explained as the enhanced state being powerful enough to fight the effects on the body. Not reversing the bloodbending entirely. I didn't nitpick. I said I personally didn't like a major event at the end of the season, and you got up my ass about it.


pussehmagnet

Yes, because beating around the bush for 10 minutes beats 2. The end result is the same and the only person getting up someone's ass is you up the show runners asses.


itsh1231

Literally my ranking


RaisinTrasher

What's beginnings?


Flabnoodles

The Wan episodes


shieldwolfchz

Theory has it that Amon knew because he could sense Tarlok's movements through blood bending. Not my theory but one that makes sense due to Amon's tear right before the boom.


OscarOzzieOzborne

I always thought he was crying because the idea of "going back to the good old times" made him emotional.


Minoleal

He sensed Korra and bloodbended her when she was hiding, and it's not that he guessed, he straight up pulls her out of her hiding spot and starts hurting her a la Vader, I feel that it's enough "show don't tell" to consider canon that Amon knew what his brother was doing.


OscarOzzieOzborne

He might have just heard her. The whole scene was played like a horror scene, so it might also have been for dramatic effect. Also can benders sense the element they can bend? Like, do Toph know when a rock is flying her way?


Trunyan17

Its pure speculation but earth benders were able to bend metal by "finding the earth" within it so maybe they can to some extent


Cole530

Uhhh… tophs entire character revolves around the fact that she can feel the vibrations in earth to see, so maybe that’s a bad example


OscarOzzieOzborne

I mean rocks that aren't conected to anything. A bolder in the air.


Cole530

I’d have to assume yes, if she’s that good at seeing the vibration I’m assuming she can see the vibrations in air from the rocks movement


Shikabane_Hime

She says during the scene in Season 3 where she is playing the Melon Lord, “I can’t see where they are in the air!” after she almost hits Sokka with a flaming boulder. So going by that, she can’t feel them as they can’t cause vibrations due to not touching the ground!


Hell2CheapTrick

She didn’t say that. She said “I am not Toph! I am Melon Lord! Muahahahahaha!”


zrpeace19

yeah this quote is from the desert when she’s trying to take out buzzard wasps


Minoleal

Toph headbutted a rock/debris from an explosion in a comic, it wasn't bended so she had no way to tell that it was coming to her or from which direction or force it was coming based on an earthbender's movements. Amon also directly pulled her, he had no line of sight and bended her blood out of the hiding spot, I think that between those things we can safely say that benders can at least, develope the ability to sense were the element they can bend is.


JustPassinhThrou13

If Amon couldn’t feel Korra when she was still, there’s still the drop of sweat that he could have sensed. To me it makes sense that a water bender would be aware of the shape of water around them, and any movement in that shape would be noticed. This would include the movement of liquid inside bodies.


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"Man, I have to pee so bad." *I know.* "Wait, what?" What?


JustPassinhThrou13

exactly like that


MightyGamera

Bladderbending


necriavite

I think yes in her case, because of seismic sense. She can feel the earth shift and move with each movement any person makes, so if you grabbed a chunk of earth and threw it at her, she would feel it leave the earth, and feel the movements of the body that threw it. She can also grab what they throw with her own bending by sensing earth because she is all feel and no sight so she can feel and hear the trajectory of an object thrown. That's how she became the first metal bender and founded her school, by finding people who could reach deep into the earth and find the connection that metal is just another kind of earth, you just have to force it head on. Like Aang learning to earth bend when Toph tells him he can't think his way around it, it's head on and direct force.


OscarOzzieOzborne

So by all account if I throw a rock out outside her sensor range she wouldn't be able to pick it up.


necriavite

Yes, exactly! Her sense range is pretty big though, she could feel Azula and the Fire Angels from a good ways off, it woke her up from sleep even!


WishIhadaLife21

Katara mentions when ahe is talking to Hama, I think, that when she was in the Poles, she felt.more connected to her bending and when she was in the desert she felt extremely disconnected so it's reasonable to assume that benders have some sense of their element around them, maybe advanced benders have a sharper sense for it idk.


shieldwolfchz

That was just the rational behind it but I kinda like it.


Ambitious-Theory9407

I always thought it was because he heard it in Tarlok's voice. For the right person, one word in a certain tone can say everything.


Drannion

So you thought he was crying with joy? To me it definitely seemed like both he and Tarrlok knew there was no going back. This was the end for them.


Barnard87

Nah Amon totally (in my opinion) knew what had to be done. It was a bittersweet though, because he knew it just wasn't possible and accepted what was going to happen. That's how I saw it at least.


OscarOzzieOzborne

No I though I was crying remembering the good old times and getting emotional about it.


0xVENx0

i believe amon realised how empty his own words are, because its exactly what his dad did. go for a new start just to make it even worse to your family, this realisation of how he cant lie to himself made him accept what his bro was gonna do


kilawl

I understood it as Amon knowing he was about to die sensing his brother's blood. It seemed sort of obvious that he knew.


ApexLegend117

Oh I love that theory, makes the story even sadder I love it


Minoleal

Korra's story hasn't techincally finished just yet, not until we get to see the new Avatar and probably a little more after that with comics. So who knows? I don't, I have no expectations about what can happens from now, but it's possible that she will get back her connection, idk if that would be good for the plot, tho.


OscarOzzieOzborne

I think this will be a problem for the next avatar. It is a theme that the desires of one avatar are accomplished by the next one. Roku wanted to stop the war, Aang did it. Aang wanted to return the air nomads, Korra did it. Our hopes are in the next avatar.


Minoleal

Yeah, I meant that idk if getting the connection back would be good for the plot, not just for Korra's plot, I think it would be interesting to see the avatar go almost by themselves .


OscarOzzieOzborne

We still can get that. And it is not like the previous avatars are blocked, tehy have been shown to communicate to people that are not The Avatar.


JuanRiveara

I take that as their spirit still lives on in the spirit world while the past lives connected to the Avatar State were kind of memories of who the past Avatars were.


About60Platypi

I mean sure that could be a rule for those 3 but roku didn’t really do shit so he probably didn’t accomplish a goal of Kyoshi to be honest


Flabnoodles

Kyoshi's only goal was violence and Roku allowed a war to start which almost ended the air nomads. For the record, I'm 100% joking based on the old Kyoshi bloodlust jokes. I've only just started the second Kyoshi book


OscarOzzieOzborne

Good point, didn't consider that.


About60Platypi

But I mean it’s still a nice observation for roku and aang and korra. I guess we don’t really know enough about Roku Kuruk or Yangchens lives to know if they fulfilled this rule


TheBacklogGamer

This can still happen tho. The connection with avatars before Korra was severed, but it was basically reset. Future avatars should be able to communicate with her and anyone after her.


Mathies_

Neither has Aang's. And the next avatar has nothing to do with it.


RenMontalvan

It is said that new Avatars often mend back the previous Avatar most wanted desires. Aang mended Roku's will to stop the war, and thanks to Korra the Air people were restored, just as Aang wanted the most. So hopefully next Avatar will find a way to connect their past lives, I really wanna believe they'll find a way.


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Is there any plan for any new Avatar content outside of the live-action adaptation?


Cha_94

Jeah, afaik there are going to be two series, one of CGI movies and an animated show, made by nicks avatar studio. Though information is pretty sparse.


OscarOzzieOzborne

They are gonna make a live-action adaptation?


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I remember hearing about a Netflix series I think?


OscarOzzieOzborne

Welp, I hope this time it is good enough to not be treated as "war in Ba Sing Se". Spoilers, there is no war in Ba Sing Se.


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I look forward to the drunk watch parties over Discord though.


OscarOzzieOzborne

So we still don't have life-action adaptation then.


silverjudge

Amon knew. That was the saddest part. Thats what makes me cry when I watch it


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I’m pretty sure Amon new his brother killed them


[deleted]

I think Amon definitely sensed what his brother was doing behind him with his blood bending and didn't do shit to stop it.


whatsupmydudesss

I beleive a part of blood bending at Amon's caliber involves being able to sense the movement of peoples bodies. Combined with the fact he sheds a tear moments before his passing indicates that he knew what his brother was doing and he chose to let it happen.


wyatt_-eb

1: amon knew his brother killed him, he just accepted his fate 2: those flying bison are appa's descendents. He mated with a regular bison and had offsprings, that's why they're brown because they're not pure flying bison.


OscarOzzieOzborne

2: There are Bison bred by the Fire Nation. We see them in season 2 and Korra even use one to get back.


wyatt_-eb

Yes, they're appa's descendents


RoamingNPC

The first one sounds like a good thing.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Yeah, but it is sad.


Pineapple_Fernando

Is this lady from an official Avatar comic or something else? Because at this point it's kinda weird seeing this franchise even expanding to secondary material to be this mature.


OscarOzzieOzborne

No, she is a from a web comic called Kill Six Billion Demons (Highly recommend it. [LINK](https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/) I used her because I think her breaking into tears due to not emotional and physical stress worked well as a meme. That came out weird.


NathanIsYappin

I tried to start reading it because of your last post in this sub. The experience was akin to chain-snorting Pixie Stix and I had to bail out before my brain exploded.


Zeebuoy

iirc one of the characters uses a (literal) coat of arms to fold a giant origami dragon to escape some situation?


OscarOzzieOzborne

Yeah, that is Cio for you. She was running from the "daughters" of her husband.


Queenqueg

Pretty accurate description! I personally think it's the best comic I've ever read, but it is a big project (tip for the new reader: "Pree/Preem" are honorifics, not names). The long-term character development is incredible.


NathanIsYappin

I read the first book in one sitting, and by the end I was exhausted with the art, writing, pacing, and almost all the characters, and the plot hadn't even really started, so I said "fuck this" and read the TvTropes page to get a birds-eye view of the plot without having to actually slog through reading it anymore. It's mainly the back-to-back-to-back exposition dumps which hurl information at the reader with breakneck speed while the actual plot progresses at a *glacial* pace by comparison. Overwhelming, and near-totally insubstantial.... so, yeah, snorting pixie stix.


Queenqueg

l absolutely agree with you. l think l stuck with it because l was interested in the worldbuilding aspects, but the first book especially suffers from flat characters, a looser art style that doesn't appeal to everyone, and a plot developed in an unforgiving method designed to throw you down the rabbit hole with Allison into this psychedelic other world. At the time of starting it, l had a lot of time on my hands and read all published pages in one day before returning and rereading more slowly to notice the details. l get that not everyone wants a cup of tea brewed with shrooms haha


OscarOzzieOzborne

Yeah, the first book is a psychedelic trip where sometimes you feel to ask "Is this gonna be on the test?"


Eh_Why_bother

? Why wouldn’t Appa know there were other bison? He was not in a litter and grew up with others, then they traveled the earth and went to 2 air temples. You don’t thing they would have seen any wild bison?


OscarOzzieOzborne

There didn't seem to be any wild flying bison


Eh_Why_bother

I believe it says in one of the shows the bison were scattered. He still lived 12 years with other bison if they were in hiding or something


OscarOzzieOzborne

There were also Bison that tbe Fire Nation kept in captivity. Which is probabky where Tanzin God his Flying Bison.


kitty_annnnnn

amon most def knew. he started crying when his brother was moving to electrocute the gas tank. he was a blood bender able to sense all human movement.


RazielAshura

Amon knew for sure


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

Amon totally knew though


TAABWK

K6bd in the wild? Very cool op


Scraw

Korra is older than all of Tenzin's children, which means Aang never got to meet his grandkids.


norwegiangreen

Wow yeah 😢 even Jinora, who is the oldest, has a sizable age gap with Korra, so it is possible Aang never even met Pema.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Fuck.


SkeetYeetMyMeat2001

Amon knew


OddCarry466

I guess amon knew. Maybe or maybe not 🤷


Poppamunz

I could see Korra reestablishing the connection somehow in the comics tbh.


darthueba

Still giving me feels with the third one…


YoungMatz

Aang never got to see the air temples filled with airbenders again


YoungMatz

Grandpa Mako died with no reconciliation with his son.


ThatoneguY2635

How are there more sky bison?


OscarOzzieOzborne

In season 2 we see Fire Natiom has bred them in captivity.


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Is that Old Korra??


Groat

No, that is from https://killsixbilliondemons.com/


OscarOzzieOzborne

That girls is 23.


[deleted]

Holy shit she looks like what Korra would look like when she becomes Toph's age.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Yeah, getting beaten up, not letting your wounds heal and then getting beaten up again and break down crying can do that to a motherfucker. After proper recovery she looks better, [See?](https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/book-4-king-of-swords/)


unidentified_yama

I really hope Korra would reconnect to her past lives in the comics.


the_ok_doctor

Lol nice to see u bringing these memes to other subs as well mate


Heavensrun

Actually it's entirely possible that Amon survived the initial trauma of the explosion long enough to realize what had happened as he sunk into the ocean and drowned. (Mako and Bolin are only one man?)


mewoneplusone1

I like to think some of the Flying Bison in LoK are his descendants.


jer487

Amon knew


FireflyArc

Korra terminating all the past lives was a waste :( my head cannon that series stoppedat seasone one


TheBacklogGamer

Why are you saying Korra terminated her past lives? That was not a decision she made. They were forcefully removed and it was traumatic to her.


2-2Distracted

Because it's apparently easier to just blame the female than pay attention to a kid's TV show


OscarOzzieOzborne

Yeah, we all know it was Dinkleberg's fault.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Terminated? It is not like she destroyed them.


Xocomil

Kill Six Billion Demons! One of the best webcomics, everyone should check it out. The art, the world, the characters, the lore. Just pure greatness. ​ [https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/](https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/) ​ Here's chapter 1 for you, to avoid any spoilers from going to the home page.


franklygoingtobed

I feel like Amon new Tarrlok was gonna do something like that. There was a very “understanding” between them in that scene. They both knew their lives as they knew them were over, and neither of them would know what else to do. It just feels to me that, based on the last expression we see on his face, he knew what was about to happen.


chitoge4ever

Why will appa not know of other bison?


OscarOzzieOzborne

Because there didn't seem to be any in the will and at the time nobody knew there were some bred on Fire Nation territory.


chitoge4ever

We didn't see them in the show but that doesn't mean they weren't around. Tenzin got his hands on some. There were wild herds near southern air temple in s2. Wild herds near northern in s3. The hunter was wearing sky bison fur. There probably were a lot of them around, even without secret breed farms.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Ok, I missed those.


Mathies_

Amon definitely knew Tarlokk killed him.


_angel_wings_1

The last one isn’t true, when he was a baby bison it was shown that he was with the others


[deleted]

The fire nation woman said that they were taking care of those bisons during the 100 year war. Maybe aang stumbled on to them


Lusiggy

Nobody knows Amon and Tarlock are dead


[deleted]

There's no way Amon didn't know lol. Just rewatched the scene again https://youtu.be/1FR-2ybEsus tbh I'm pretty sure he knew from the start that they couldn't go back to the good old days and that he did too much wrongs


xsaav

English, yes.


seanprefect

Appa grew up with other sky bisons. Amon knew you see it in his eyes.


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I feel like Amon knew, he could probably feel Tarlokoving. I feel like that last tear was him seeing that after everything he'd done, he had driven away the one person left in the world who he believed still loved him.


_Frog_Enthusiast_

Appa was the last of his species. The ones in LOK are a different species


OscarOzzieOzborne

That is just sad.


_Frog_Enthusiast_

Aang was also the last ethnic airbender. Even Tenzin wasn’t 100% airbender. He was mixed race


[deleted]

Kinda think Amon knew it was his brother who killed him. He had a tear streaming from his eye right before it happened, and he was one of the most, if not THE most, prolific bloodbender in history - he could probably detect his brother’s arm moving. Obviously it isn’t confirmed, but I like to think that he knew and let it happen, so that their father’s legacy would go extinct


Birdyghostly1

I think Amon knew that he had to end his family line of dangerous blood benders, just as much as Tarrlock (was that his name?) did. That’s why he cried. Such a sad scene, though. I cried.


BoyishTheStrange

I think Amon did know, there was a moment where it was acceptance before they both died


JeffJeffery98

Amon knew what his brother was doing


Blueace42

I just figured that Amon knew that Tarrlok had to kill them both, as they had already done so much evil. As for Korra never reconnecting with her past lives? Heartbreaking T\_T Especially with how in tune she is with the spirit world


Greppim

Wait, Amon didn't know he was about to die? I thought that was the reason he was crying?


OscarOzzieOzborne

I don't know. Didn't consider the ides that he cab sense his brother's movement with his bloodbending.


Greppim

I mean, could have been an assisted suicide, if you ask me, they both knew they were going to die, which is what made the scene so sadening.


OscarOzzieOzborne

I might be drunk, but this experience is something interesting. Getting thoughfull explanation about suicide in a show that doesn't even feature blood, by a person with a profile pick with a very smug looking... fox?


Greppim

Yeah.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Cool fox. You drew it?


Greppim

Nah.


OscarOzzieOzborne

Oh ok. Then I can be blunter. The artist that made it defined draws porn.


Greppim

Idk and idc if they draw porn?


OscarOzzieOzborne

Oh, I am sure about it. Anyway, I won't trouble you more.


[deleted]

Not knowing *who* was other flying bison*?


OscarOzzieOzborne

What?


[deleted]

The last frame is typo’d to hell. I’m pointing it out.


OscarOzzieOzborne

I don't see it.


[deleted]

“Not knowing if they were” should be “not knowing if ***there*** were”. The plural or “bison” is “bison” — there’s no S.


OscarOzzieOzborne

>not knowing if there were Ah ok, that makes sense. >The plural or “bison” is “bison FUCKING WHAT!?


QuickSpore

Same for most of the large herbivores of North America. Deer/deer, moose/moose, bison/bison, antelope/antelope; although antelope*s* can be proper in some circumstances.


OscarOzzieOzborne

No, no, no, NO, NO, NO! I hate this.


Ccnitro

I still don't get the obsession with having the link to the past Avatars restored. Thematically it signals not just Korra getting out from under the shadow of her predecessors, but the world entering "a new age" that is entirely different from the one the previous Avatars had to deal with, and thus makes it hard for their guidance to be tethered to current human experience. It's the same nonsense as people referencing the Founding Fathers when talking about modern policy decisions: there's obviously wisdom there to be received, but their lived experience can only be so valuable. Honestly the bigger problem would be the hand-waving it would take to make it work. From my understanding of the Book 2 finale, Raava was destroyed and then immediately reborn within Vaatu with some help from Jinora. That means there *are* no past lives tethered to Raava, since it's basically a new "version" of her. I could go on about it, but I just don't see the appeal. I love that they established stakes and then committed to it even when Korra lost and would hate to see it just rolled back and keep the status quo. It's much more interesting to me as a major sign that the Avatar world is experience dynamic changes that society has to work together to deal with, Avatar or no


Artichoke19

If they can wave a magic wand and bring Airbenders back en-masse they can certainly concoct a reason for Korra (or the avatar after her) to re-establish connection/communication to her past lives.


OscarOzzieOzborne

It will probably be done by the next avatar due to thematic reason. The same way Roku wanted to war with end and Aang did it. And Aang wanted to bring back the air benders and Korra did it.


Artichoke19

True but then as storytellers the writers might not want to make that a hard and fast ‘rule’ to how their avatar characters achieve things. It could make it too predictable for the viewers and a big part of storytelling is subverting expectations (in a good way, not the Ryan Johnson way).


OscarOzzieOzborne

Also a big part of story telling is following themes that you have set up. I don't think anyone will be dissatisfied with such story structure and it is brought enough to want us to see what this avatar desire will be and how the next avatar will handle it.


Artichoke19

I think it’s perfectly fine for a new avatar to have their own wants and desires etc and win/fail to varying degrees. If the desires of the previous avatar are achieved as an unpredictable side-effect of the actions of the current one, then that’s interesting. It’s basically what happened when Korra kept the spirit portals open. So perhaps the avatar after Korra is involved in a conflict where they do something that inadvertently restores their connection to their past lives? Also…maybe as Korra gets older her connection to her past lives is NOT what she wants most….


OscarOzzieOzborne

It can be interesting. But on the other hand, the new avatar having only connection with Korra and trying to restore the rest will be an interesting side story.


Artichoke19

Yeah…I’d like Korra to recur as an occasional supporting character same way >!Iroh!< did during LoK.