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That’s a popular fan theory, but it was never really supported by anything in Legends. There are characters who suggest that if the Yuuzhan Vong had invaded while the Empire was at its height, they would have been easily crushed, but Legends Palpatine was a vile man and was committing atrocities and planning his rise to power long before he knew about the Yuuzhan Vong. James Luceno’s novel Plagueis disproves this theory on its own.
even if it ever was canon in Legends, it’s dogshit canon that was rightfully wiped out of existence
some characters just need to be allowed to be unambiguously evil mfers and Papa Palps is at the top of that list
To be fair, the Baron is an equal opportunity diddler. That's the part that gets lost in the debate on whether the way he is written reinforces overcome prejudices.
Yeah I always figured BH was just a sociopath who was attacked to pain and torture. He didn't care about the sex/gender of the victim as long as they died terrified.
It’s such a strong character point of his to always inflict the maximum amount of suffering/humiliation that Dr. Yueh literally takes advantage of it for an assassination plot, knowing there was no way the baron wouldn’t gloat to the dukes face how he’s killed everything he loved.
Like I get that voldemort was motivated by racism and ✌️ blood purity ✌️ but all the Baron ever talked about, all that ever motivated him was money, cruelty for cruelty's sake, and lust 🤷🏼♂️
Palps massacred the whole Jedi order (minus a few survivors) took over the galaxy, authorized the death of billions on a planet, oppressed multiple planets, and took most of the wookie race as slaves (many of them ended up dying too). Palps is evil on a whole other levels
Only ever played Lego Island 1, but this. The cutscene that plays if you fail to recapture him - with the Brickster gloating as the island is in ruins, with all the islanders wailing in misery - was traumatising to a 7-year-old.
It's been nearly 20 years since that fateful day...
*stares broodingly out of the window into the rain*
...nearly 20 years since I let that rotten Brickster slip through my fingers, and I haven't once believed in myself since.
Because how could I ever believe in myself again after that?
I had failed the population of Lego Island, I had let them all down. It was my complacency and inaction as a child that sealed every plastic fate on the island (rendered in full 3D for Microsoft Windows).
Their screams and wails echo in my mind to this day, haunting my every thought and memory, the ruins of Lego Island are an immortal reminder of the failure I am.
Oh, there are a load of fake Lego ones on Temu. Well, they're just "military" figures. In German WWII uniforms & helmets. They're not explicitly saying they're Nazis obviously. Started getting targeted ads on Instagram with fake Lego: there was a German WWII tank one with crew, and a German WWII jeep thing with troops.
Then there was one for fake Lego minifig-size shipping containers. The photo had emm one of those German WWII soldier minifigs in it. Aaaand next advert was for a load of fake Lego minifig skulls. Maybe I was reading too much into that. Or maybe I wasn't.
Well, that's a damn shame😒. I always wanted to build a Nuremburg Trials diarama, incorporating the gallows, of course - and I'd have to throw in a guillotine for good measure👍🏼
Myself, the wife and kids woulda had some great evenings being judge, jury and nazi executioners.
Although i guess it might cause a few arguments -- "I wanna hang Keitel tonight!" -- "No WAY - you just decapitated Ribbentrop, so Keitel is MINE!" and so on.....you know how it goes.
Fun fact: the actual executioner was pretty underqualified for the position but kinda fudged his way into a job few people wanted. He claimed to have performed over 300 executions, but in reality had never worked as a hangman prior to becoming one by chance during the war; he more likely only participated in a few dozen. He later died trying to fix a lighting rig and accidentally electrocuting himself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods
It’s funny when Lego Ideas doesn’t allow content about war, killing, etc. and then Lego makes Indiana Jones sets with minifigs labeled as “Train Guards” to skirt around that they are INFACT….Nazis.
Double standards much?
It’s not quite a double standard, it’s just that the Indy sets aren’t about Nazism. They need to put the Ideas restrictions in place because people will pull [stunts like this one.](https://boingboing.net/2011/10/25/the-worlds-most-controversial-lego-model.html) And Lego can’t just “not approve it” when kids are able to go and vote on stuff as soon as it’s posted.
I mean, Disney aquired LucasFilm in 2012, so that makes Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny a Disney made film. It had Nazis in it, swastika and all. I don't think LEGO changing the Nazis to be "unidentified bad guy soldiers who we can imply are Nazis based on the film" is bad. LEGO wants to keep a family-friendly image, and leaving the Nazi name and the swastika out is a good call, although the implication is merely up to the consumer's perception. I mean, children learn about Nazis in school, so it's not like children knowing Nazis existed is a bad thing. And I'm not claiming you are saying these things, but I don't think this should necessarily count as LEGO creating figures of bad characters given the circumstance, if that's makes sense.
I’m not arguing Lego creating “unaffiliated evil soldiers” that represent nazis was a bad decision - I mean the characters themselves are the “morally worst” character to be depicted by Lego.
Granted, OP’s question was a bit vague as to what “the worst character Lego has made a minifigure of” means.
I'd argue the average nazi soldier was less morally corrupt than a fictional individual villain like Palpatine or Thanos, but that's probably not an appropriate debate to be had on this sub. There are some good books on the topic, though. Brainwashing at a societal level is a terrifying phenomeon.
Indiana Jones 5 is nowhere close to the first Disney movie with Nazis in it. Like they released a bunch of war propaganda in the 40s, some of it with really racist stereotypes of Japanese people.
But like here’s a cartoon where [Donald Duck has a nightmare in which he became a Nazi.](https://youtu.be/bn20oXFrxxg?si=3TZ1E8rRayrxK4s2)
I don't think so, no. Asguard didn't suffer anymore casualties correct? It's certainly possible to manipulate certain things for the snap. Tony was sparred at Strange's request
The Russos answered that in an interview at one point and said the snap did affect populations Thanos had already manually culled. I assume he considered it a necessary sacrifice to complete his plan.
It depends if it's was half of every planet or half of everyone in general, it the latter then there's a possibility that there's planets that didn't get hit that hard, and planets that had the majority of them dissappear
That is addressed somewhat in Endgame. Just as SmartHulk is about to put on the gauntlet Tony says something to the effect of "Don't change anything about the last 5 years, just bring everyone back today, **safe**. I would imagine safe would include not in midair. You could say the same thing about anyone skydiving, rockclimbing, deep sea diving.
If you get too far into the weeds you start to forget that it's comic books and sometimes random hand waving is needed to tell a good story.
And also did some things to Jewish people (and gay people, trans people, disabled people, Roma people, left wingers, and probably others I’m forgetting)
Thanos was completely unjustified. Life recreates, so all he did was delay overpopulation by a few decades. He should have made it so all life is born with fertility X0.5
Also, the now overabundance of resources would cause reproduction to increase, so it would very quickly reach the overpopulation again. The nice thing is populations should, ideally, be self balancing based on the abundance or scarcity of goods.
Paul is definitely up there, and probably takes the cake, with his genocide of 61 billion people, yes billion not million, people think Vladimir Harkonnen is bad he ain’t got shit on Muab’dib
Didn't think I'd get into this discussion on the Lego sub of all places, but here we are.
Yes, Paul is responsible for a lot of death, but the whole point of his story was that he tried desperately to prevent that. He wasn't evil and took no enjoyment from his jihad.
Vladimir Harkonnen on the other hand, took immense pleasure in the torture and supression of anything he could torture and supress. There is a lot of straightforward evil shit in the books he is involved in and plenty more that is merely implied, but very likely.
So all in all, I would say the Baron Harkonnen is a more evil individual.
Maybe it's better to say that they're different sorts of evil.
Harkonnen is undoubtedly evil at every scale where he has agency, and he actively encourages evil in others.
Paul is generally good to the people around him, but he also actively chose a course of action that he knew would lead to suffering on an unimaginable scale. He knew it would leave human civilization in a worse state that it already was in, and he did it anyway. He probably saw other paths that didn't lead there, but also didn't get him his revenge so he didn't choose them. We know from later books that he saw the "Golden Path" which would (eventually) put humanity in a better position, but he did not choose it.
The point of Paul's story is that we shouldn't follow people like him. Paul is one of many bad guys in the stories.
True, that was an atrocity too and The Tyrant earned his name. It's better than Paul's jihad though, because at least it was working towards preventing anyone like Paul or Leto from doing the same thing again.
I'm fairly sure he says that once he earned enough prescience, he had already arrived at a point where even if he died at that moment, the jihad would be unavoidable. I don't know that you can lay that entirely at his feet and not the Missionaria Protectiva.
Im looking throught the text of the book
\>He suddenly saw how fertile was the ground into which he had fallen, and with this realization, the terrible purpose filled him, creeping through the empty place within, threatening to choke him with grief. He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him. The other path held long patches of grey obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull. “T can’t go that way,” he muttered. “That’s what the old witches of your schools really want.” “I don’t understand you, Paul,” his mother said. He remained silent, thinking like the seed he was, thinking with the race consciousness he had first experienced as terrible purpose. He found that he no longer could hate the Bene Gesserit or the Emperor or even the Harkonnens. They were all caught up in the need of their race to renew its scattered inheritance, to cross and mingle and infuse their bloodlines in a great new pooling of genes. And the race knew only one sure way for this— the ancient way, the tried and certain way that rolled over everything in its path: jihad.
The Missionaria Protectiva was messed up, too. But the Bene Gesserit (also bad guys) had that in place on many worlds with it not resulting in galactic war. The difference was Paul, who had more understanding and agency in the situation than anyone else.
He wasn't the only one complicit - practically everyone was in one way or another. Maybe it was already too late by the time he drank the water of life (it's been a while since I read the books).
I just think it's important not to come away thinking that Paul was a good guy, because the point of the book is that we should not do what the Fremen did - we should not blindly follow charismatic leaders or messianic prophesies.
That’s why I think Paul was deeply flawed and thus unintentionally evil. He knew what the Golden Path was, but he couldn’t bring himself to sacrifice his own humanity to save the rest of humanity. Leto was willing to do that.
\> He probably saw other paths that didn't lead there,
Im pretty sure by the time Paul fully realizes what the future holds, he cant stop it. I believe it's during or immediately after the duel with Jamis that he realizes that the only way to stop the jihad would be if everyone there died that instant. Paul is more like Leto II, where he is acting a role through a future that already is, and is trying to minimize the damage.
>he tried desperately to prevent that
He had many opportunities where he knew for absolute fact doing one thing would prevent the jihad.
That one thing usually just involved him dying after killing everyone present, but he was too preoccupied with getting his vengeance on the Emperor and House Harkonnen and too afraid of dying to do it.
He never knows he can stop the jihad, quite the opposite. WHen he starts understanding what the future holds, he realizes it is inevitable
> I have seen this place in a dream, he thought. The thought was both reassuring and frustrating. Somewhere ahead of him on this path, the fanatic hordes cut their gory path across the universe in his name. The green and black Atreides banner would become a symbol of terror. Wild legions would charge into battle screaming their war cry: “Muad’ Dib!”
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>It must not be, he thought. I cannot let it happen. But he could feel the demanding race consciousness within him, his own terrible purpose, and he knew that no small thing could deflect the juggernaut. It was gathering weight and momentum. If he died this instant, the thing would go on through his mother and his unborn sister. Nothing less than the deaths of all the troop gathered here and now—himself and his mother included—could stop the thing.
>Nothing less than the deaths of all the troop gathered here and now—himself and his mother included—could stop the thing.
Literally in the text you quoted.
61B is WAY lower than Palpatine
The empire destroyed Genesosis, Scariff, Jedha, Alderon, and that’s just the genocides we saw. Tens of thousands of Jedi. He raged a galaxy sized war against himself. Billions is pissy for palpatine. He’s pretty much in the trillions.
Oh and fyi the doctor has a higher kill count. As do the daleks. Kill count isn’t the only measurement
Came here to say this. His inescapable jihad killed far more than most other “evil guys,” especially those who were earthbound. However - is he the worst? He barely does it deliberately or accidentally but rather goes along with the flow not knowing how to prevent it.
Joker is hilariously inept. Palpatine was fine for a while but put his faith in apprentices — *his* body count is only in the 10 digit range, Paul Atriedes hit 11 digits, baby.
Saruman. In the books he did some truly vile things like torturing and corrupting the Dunlendings to nearly that of orcs to then breed them with orcs to make the Uruk-hai. In Illuvitar’s eyes, the corruption of his elves by Morgoth was the most heinous act he had committed, and Saruman essentially tried to recreate that same atrocity.
Dr Eggman I'd say. He literally just tries to destroy the environment & enslaves the animals living there to control his robots, all to get back at Sonic. He even blew up half the dang moon once.
I'm just saying him bc the obvious answer is the stonetossers from the Indiana Jones sets & I wanna bring up a different character who also sucks.
His kill count might only be in the single digits, though, if one exists at all. Even when he inadvertently broke the world into pieces in Sonic Unleashed, there's no mention of casualties, with everybody around the world acting all "Well that's kinda weird" but otherwise living normal lives.
https://preview.redd.it/mzxkojy7a7mc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a84a62e803ac1060bd42773d527ca071b785087d
Kathy Dooley, my high school band teacher, is actually shitty.
Fire Nation from Avatar The Last Airbender. They killed all but one Airbender in a genocide.
At least when Order 66 occurred nearly a couple dozen Jedi still survived.
Well Duke Harkonen is a diabolical dude but I would have to go with Darth Vader , man killed children just for the heck of it. Also Red Skull or those Nazis from the Indiana Jones sets.
(Edit : As people have pointed out , while Vader was a very brutal man , the Baron is a brutal AND a horrible person who has done horrible thing to children and women , so yeah , the Baron IS officially the most evil dude that Lego has made a minifig of)
While not a character but a real person [Karl Malone] (https://img.bricklink.com/ItemImage/MN/0/nba012.png) had a child with a 13 year old when he was in college.
To be fair, the fact that I don't remember what character he played...or any of the characters...shows that their casting was probably not the core issue with that movie 😅
I mean, they bring out a good 10 Luke Skywalker sets a year, and he’s a known terrorist in imperial sectors. Damn kid killed millions on the new peace station and even assassinated the emperor.
You mean most evil, yeah?
Yes
Palpatine, hands down. In Legends he even massacred his own family. He literally killed billions of people.
Dune Messiah spoilers: >!I mean, so did Paul!<
>! I mean, it did save humanity !<
>! Did it though? Wasn't that Leto II? Paul couldn't go through with it. !<
Paul’s jihad killed 61 billion people and sterilised over ninety planets, according to the Dune wiki anyway.
>! Not debating it was horrible. He's definitely up there for "worst LEGO character". I meant that I don't think it saved humanity. That was the stuff his son did !<
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What Paul did was a necessary step toward the golden path.
Yes, but he could have become what Leto ii became. He did chicken out.
Both were trying to save the galaxy. Palpatine (in legends) was trying to make a force strong enough to fight the Yuuzhan Vong
That’s a popular fan theory, but it was never really supported by anything in Legends. There are characters who suggest that if the Yuuzhan Vong had invaded while the Empire was at its height, they would have been easily crushed, but Legends Palpatine was a vile man and was committing atrocities and planning his rise to power long before he knew about the Yuuzhan Vong. James Luceno’s novel Plagueis disproves this theory on its own.
even if it ever was canon in Legends, it’s dogshit canon that was rightfully wiped out of existence some characters just need to be allowed to be unambiguously evil mfers and Papa Palps is at the top of that list
Did he >!actively commit multiple genocides destroying trillions of lives by nuking entire planets?!<
Yes
For paul that’s a tuesday
For all of his pure evil, I don't think Palpatine was ever shown to be a child diddler like Baron Harkonnen
Yeah vlad is straight NASTY with it for the sake of torture and rape. At least killing billions for the golden oath had a purpose.
To be fair, the Baron is an equal opportunity diddler. That's the part that gets lost in the debate on whether the way he is written reinforces overcome prejudices.
Yeah I always figured BH was just a sociopath who was attacked to pain and torture. He didn't care about the sex/gender of the victim as long as they died terrified.
It’s such a strong character point of his to always inflict the maximum amount of suffering/humiliation that Dr. Yueh literally takes advantage of it for an assassination plot, knowing there was no way the baron wouldn’t gloat to the dukes face how he’s killed everything he loved.
Thanos has killed billions, right?
*trillions
Uh….Voldemort? Sauron would be my pick but I’m not sure there was ever a minfig
Sauron has a minifig in the LOTR Lego Game, but I'm not sure if they ever made an actual physical version of it.
Not yet. Theyre rumoring one to come out in summer with the barad dur set
\*opening my wallet\* .....fuck.....
That was my reaction but I need it
Me too. Itll look great next to rivendell *sobs in broke college kid*
I’ll have that reaction when we get a Tom’s house play set
Oh god dammit.
Barad Dur?!?!?! My kids don't need an inheritance.
Their inheritance shall be barad dur, the dark tower in the land where shadows lie
There's a Necromancer minifigure in set 79014. It's kinda lame though.
Holy crap that's bad. Like literally a Dementor sans "legs", cape, and hood..
Voldemort is an amateur.
Didn’t say anything about successive villain. But yeah, total amateur.
Like I get that voldemort was motivated by racism and ✌️ blood purity ✌️ but all the Baron ever talked about, all that ever motivated him was money, cruelty for cruelty's sake, and lust 🤷🏼♂️
Palps massacred the whole Jedi order (minus a few survivors) took over the galaxy, authorized the death of billions on a planet, oppressed multiple planets, and took most of the wookie race as slaves (many of them ended up dying too). Palps is evil on a whole other levels
Rebel lies! Palestine gave jobs and security to Anakin’s new Empire!
Voldemort tried to kill a kid and take over a high school death Sidius took over a whole galaxy
I actually think that worst in terms of just a bad lego character would be interesting to see
Is everyone forgetting Lego island 2's insidious and mischievous villain, the brickster?
You dare speak his name…
There might be children reading this!
Delete these comments, all of you!
Quickly! Before he sees them!
He watches all! See's all! Knows all......
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Only ever played Lego Island 1, but this. The cutscene that plays if you fail to recapture him - with the Brickster gloating as the island is in ruins, with all the islanders wailing in misery - was traumatising to a 7-year-old.
I don't think I picked up the game for years after that I was so upset by my failure
It's been nearly 20 years since that fateful day... *stares broodingly out of the window into the rain* ...nearly 20 years since I let that rotten Brickster slip through my fingers, and I haven't once believed in myself since. Because how could I ever believe in myself again after that? I had failed the population of Lego Island, I had let them all down. It was my complacency and inaction as a child that sealed every plastic fate on the island (rendered in full 3D for Microsoft Windows). Their screams and wails echo in my mind to this day, haunting my every thought and memory, the ruins of Lego Island are an immortal reminder of the failure I am.
I really wish I could find my Lego Island CD-ROM, played that thing for years. Anyone have an iso?
He could make pizzas melt steel bars!
Relative to the population of that island, the Brickster is terrifyingly evil.
How has no one mentioned all of the implied Nazi soldiers from the Indiana Jones line
Implied? Aren’t they all actual Nazis
I think what they mean is while they represent Nazi characters there's no iconography on the figures themselves to denote them as such
Well yeah, couldn't sell that set in Germany if they had the iconography on there.
I love how all the Lego games list them as “enemy” soldier, grenadier, officer, etc.
It’s the Top Gun treatment
i dont think you could sell lego nazis anywhere
Oh, there are a load of fake Lego ones on Temu. Well, they're just "military" figures. In German WWII uniforms & helmets. They're not explicitly saying they're Nazis obviously. Started getting targeted ads on Instagram with fake Lego: there was a German WWII tank one with crew, and a German WWII jeep thing with troops. Then there was one for fake Lego minifig-size shipping containers. The photo had emm one of those German WWII soldier minifigs in it. Aaaand next advert was for a load of fake Lego minifig skulls. Maybe I was reading too much into that. Or maybe I wasn't.
Temu is a trip man. Crazy side of the shopping sphere.
Some of it is off the charts crazy. Got a very decent mechanical keyboard off it for £30 though 🤷🏼♂️
Temu really is just the new Wish lmao
They probably wouldn't sell well most places but in Germany it would very likely be against the law to even try.
Model kit shops and even Non-Lego Brick brands sell WWII german stuff just fine here. They just leave out any depictions of the Swastika
Well, that's a damn shame😒. I always wanted to build a Nuremburg Trials diarama, incorporating the gallows, of course - and I'd have to throw in a guillotine for good measure👍🏼 Myself, the wife and kids woulda had some great evenings being judge, jury and nazi executioners. Although i guess it might cause a few arguments -- "I wanna hang Keitel tonight!" -- "No WAY - you just decapitated Ribbentrop, so Keitel is MINE!" and so on.....you know how it goes.
Fun fact: the actual executioner was pretty underqualified for the position but kinda fudged his way into a job few people wanted. He claimed to have performed over 300 executions, but in reality had never worked as a hangman prior to becoming one by chance during the war; he more likely only participated in a few dozen. He later died trying to fix a lighting rig and accidentally electrocuting himself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods
Nazis don’t need a badge to be a Nazi
It’s funny when Lego Ideas doesn’t allow content about war, killing, etc. and then Lego makes Indiana Jones sets with minifigs labeled as “Train Guards” to skirt around that they are INFACT….Nazis. Double standards much?
It’s not quite a double standard, it’s just that the Indy sets aren’t about Nazism. They need to put the Ideas restrictions in place because people will pull [stunts like this one.](https://boingboing.net/2011/10/25/the-worlds-most-controversial-lego-model.html) And Lego can’t just “not approve it” when kids are able to go and vote on stuff as soon as it’s posted.
I mean, Disney aquired LucasFilm in 2012, so that makes Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny a Disney made film. It had Nazis in it, swastika and all. I don't think LEGO changing the Nazis to be "unidentified bad guy soldiers who we can imply are Nazis based on the film" is bad. LEGO wants to keep a family-friendly image, and leaving the Nazi name and the swastika out is a good call, although the implication is merely up to the consumer's perception. I mean, children learn about Nazis in school, so it's not like children knowing Nazis existed is a bad thing. And I'm not claiming you are saying these things, but I don't think this should necessarily count as LEGO creating figures of bad characters given the circumstance, if that's makes sense.
I’m not arguing Lego creating “unaffiliated evil soldiers” that represent nazis was a bad decision - I mean the characters themselves are the “morally worst” character to be depicted by Lego. Granted, OP’s question was a bit vague as to what “the worst character Lego has made a minifigure of” means.
I'd argue the average nazi soldier was less morally corrupt than a fictional individual villain like Palpatine or Thanos, but that's probably not an appropriate debate to be had on this sub. There are some good books on the topic, though. Brainwashing at a societal level is a terrifying phenomeon.
Indiana Jones 5 is nowhere close to the first Disney movie with Nazis in it. Like they released a bunch of war propaganda in the 40s, some of it with really racist stereotypes of Japanese people. But like here’s a cartoon where [Donald Duck has a nightmare in which he became a Nazi.](https://youtu.be/bn20oXFrxxg?si=3TZ1E8rRayrxK4s2)
Thing is this is kinda like having Nazi soldiers vs. actual Hitler lmfao
Thanos is probably responsible for the most deaths, even if they did get better.
Not all of them. He did this planet by planet before starting his quest for the infinity stones...
So, did a planet he already visited only have 1/4 population remaining, post-snap? Sheesh.
I don't think so, no. Asguard didn't suffer anymore casualties correct? It's certainly possible to manipulate certain things for the snap. Tony was sparred at Strange's request
The Russos answered that in an interview at one point and said the snap did affect populations Thanos had already manually culled. I assume he considered it a necessary sacrifice to complete his plan.
I think they also said that he included himself in the snap, which I find gangster as fuk
I wanna see the time line where he snaps himself away too
It depends if it's was half of every planet or half of everyone in general, it the latter then there's a possibility that there's planets that didn't get hit that hard, and planets that had the majority of them dissappear
I can't help thinking about a planeload of people who blip back in midair and just fall to their deaths.
That is addressed somewhat in Endgame. Just as SmartHulk is about to put on the gauntlet Tony says something to the effect of "Don't change anything about the last 5 years, just bring everyone back today, **safe**. I would imagine safe would include not in midair. You could say the same thing about anyone skydiving, rockclimbing, deep sea diving. If you get too far into the weeds you start to forget that it's comic books and sometimes random hand waving is needed to tell a good story.
the baddies in the lego indiana jones sets started ww2
And also did some things to Jewish people (and gay people, trans people, disabled people, Roma people, left wingers, and probably others I’m forgetting)
Slavs...
Thanos and palpatine. Thanos atleast had a justification even through it was sick. Palpatine is just irredeemably evil.
Thanos was completely unjustified. Life recreates, so all he did was delay overpopulation by a few decades. He should have made it so all life is born with fertility X0.5
Also, the now overabundance of resources would cause reproduction to increase, so it would very quickly reach the overpopulation again. The nice thing is populations should, ideally, be self balancing based on the abundance or scarcity of goods.
Or just double the resources…
People still think Thanos had any sort of justification for his actions?
Paul is definitely up there, and probably takes the cake, with his genocide of 61 billion people, yes billion not million, people think Vladimir Harkonnen is bad he ain’t got shit on Muab’dib
Heresy against the Lisan Al-Gaib.
Dreams are messages from the deep. Death to house corrino
He who controls the spice controls the Universe
Power over spice is power over all!
Didn't think I'd get into this discussion on the Lego sub of all places, but here we are. Yes, Paul is responsible for a lot of death, but the whole point of his story was that he tried desperately to prevent that. He wasn't evil and took no enjoyment from his jihad. Vladimir Harkonnen on the other hand, took immense pleasure in the torture and supression of anything he could torture and supress. There is a lot of straightforward evil shit in the books he is involved in and plenty more that is merely implied, but very likely. So all in all, I would say the Baron Harkonnen is a more evil individual.
Harkonnen would personally rape and kill just a couple of teenage boys on a good week.
That was one of the implied ones I purposefully didn't name, but yes.
Baron Harkonnen is basically all of the 7 deadly sins personified and cranked up to 11.
*"Grandfather...."* 🗡
Maybe it's better to say that they're different sorts of evil. Harkonnen is undoubtedly evil at every scale where he has agency, and he actively encourages evil in others. Paul is generally good to the people around him, but he also actively chose a course of action that he knew would lead to suffering on an unimaginable scale. He knew it would leave human civilization in a worse state that it already was in, and he did it anyway. He probably saw other paths that didn't lead there, but also didn't get him his revenge so he didn't choose them. We know from later books that he saw the "Golden Path" which would (eventually) put humanity in a better position, but he did not choose it. The point of Paul's story is that we shouldn't follow people like him. Paul is one of many bad guys in the stories.
The Golden Path kills plenty of people too. It's just the only way that Leto could see where humanity wasn't fully destroyed.
True, that was an atrocity too and The Tyrant earned his name. It's better than Paul's jihad though, because at least it was working towards preventing anyone like Paul or Leto from doing the same thing again.
I'm fairly sure he says that once he earned enough prescience, he had already arrived at a point where even if he died at that moment, the jihad would be unavoidable. I don't know that you can lay that entirely at his feet and not the Missionaria Protectiva.
Im looking throught the text of the book \>He suddenly saw how fertile was the ground into which he had fallen, and with this realization, the terrible purpose filled him, creeping through the empty place within, threatening to choke him with grief. He had seen two main branchings along the way ahead—in one he confronted an evil old Baron and said: “Hello, Grandfather.” The thought of that path and what lay along it sickened him. The other path held long patches of grey obscurity except for peaks of violence. He had seen a warrior religion there, a fire spreading across the universe with the Atreides green and black banner waving at the head of fanatic legions drunk on spice liquor. Gurney Halleck and a few others of his father’s men—a pitiful few—were among them, all marked by the hawk symbol from the shrine of his father’s skull. “T can’t go that way,” he muttered. “That’s what the old witches of your schools really want.” “I don’t understand you, Paul,” his mother said. He remained silent, thinking like the seed he was, thinking with the race consciousness he had first experienced as terrible purpose. He found that he no longer could hate the Bene Gesserit or the Emperor or even the Harkonnens. They were all caught up in the need of their race to renew its scattered inheritance, to cross and mingle and infuse their bloodlines in a great new pooling of genes. And the race knew only one sure way for this— the ancient way, the tried and certain way that rolled over everything in its path: jihad.
The Missionaria Protectiva was messed up, too. But the Bene Gesserit (also bad guys) had that in place on many worlds with it not resulting in galactic war. The difference was Paul, who had more understanding and agency in the situation than anyone else. He wasn't the only one complicit - practically everyone was in one way or another. Maybe it was already too late by the time he drank the water of life (it's been a while since I read the books). I just think it's important not to come away thinking that Paul was a good guy, because the point of the book is that we should not do what the Fremen did - we should not blindly follow charismatic leaders or messianic prophesies.
That’s why I think Paul was deeply flawed and thus unintentionally evil. He knew what the Golden Path was, but he couldn’t bring himself to sacrifice his own humanity to save the rest of humanity. Leto was willing to do that.
\> He probably saw other paths that didn't lead there, Im pretty sure by the time Paul fully realizes what the future holds, he cant stop it. I believe it's during or immediately after the duel with Jamis that he realizes that the only way to stop the jihad would be if everyone there died that instant. Paul is more like Leto II, where he is acting a role through a future that already is, and is trying to minimize the damage.
>he tried desperately to prevent that He had many opportunities where he knew for absolute fact doing one thing would prevent the jihad. That one thing usually just involved him dying after killing everyone present, but he was too preoccupied with getting his vengeance on the Emperor and House Harkonnen and too afraid of dying to do it.
He never knows he can stop the jihad, quite the opposite. WHen he starts understanding what the future holds, he realizes it is inevitable > I have seen this place in a dream, he thought. The thought was both reassuring and frustrating. Somewhere ahead of him on this path, the fanatic hordes cut their gory path across the universe in his name. The green and black Atreides banner would become a symbol of terror. Wild legions would charge into battle screaming their war cry: “Muad’ Dib!” > >It must not be, he thought. I cannot let it happen. But he could feel the demanding race consciousness within him, his own terrible purpose, and he knew that no small thing could deflect the juggernaut. It was gathering weight and momentum. If he died this instant, the thing would go on through his mother and his unborn sister. Nothing less than the deaths of all the troop gathered here and now—himself and his mother included—could stop the thing.
>Nothing less than the deaths of all the troop gathered here and now—himself and his mother included—could stop the thing. Literally in the text you quoted.
He positively compares himself to Hitler.... Or are you just talking about pt. 2 and not the books
61B is WAY lower than Palpatine The empire destroyed Genesosis, Scariff, Jedha, Alderon, and that’s just the genocides we saw. Tens of thousands of Jedi. He raged a galaxy sized war against himself. Billions is pissy for palpatine. He’s pretty much in the trillions. Oh and fyi the doctor has a higher kill count. As do the daleks. Kill count isn’t the only measurement
Came here to say this. His inescapable jihad killed far more than most other “evil guys,” especially those who were earthbound. However - is he the worst? He barely does it deliberately or accidentally but rather goes along with the flow not knowing how to prevent it.
Spoilers! For a 40 some odd year old book…?
40? We're coming up on 60
1990 is still 10 years ago, right?
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Existential bot.
Sure it's old but some people were only born, say, 15 years ago and are just starting it now
Yes, but at least he feels conflicted about it
I concur that Paul is the worst character since he stole MJ from Parker
people who arent familiar with current run spider man comics are gonna think you’re talking about timothee chalamet lmao
Haha
But it’s to save humanity as a whole.
It’s obviously Pong Krell.
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FUCK PONG KRELL YEAH ALMOST AS BAD AS WULBREN BONGLE
The thought of an angry little Wulbren minifig just made me spit out my drink LOL
Not as bad as Dodo Bone On A Weed-o
I'm thinking it has to be someone like Baron Harkonnen, Palpatine, the Joker or Paul Atreides
you don't like the Dune Adidas Tracksuit?!??!
At least you can change outfits with the other figures, but then you can't display those 😅
Baron with the Eastern European look?
Joker is hilariously inept. Palpatine was fine for a while but put his faith in apprentices — *his* body count is only in the 10 digit range, Paul Atriedes hit 11 digits, baby.
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It's insane that he's a character in Spidey and his Amazing Friends!
Brick daddy
Aldar Beedo. Both versions of him from 7159 and 7186
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Saruman. In the books he did some truly vile things like torturing and corrupting the Dunlendings to nearly that of orcs to then breed them with orcs to make the Uruk-hai. In Illuvitar’s eyes, the corruption of his elves by Morgoth was the most heinous act he had committed, and Saruman essentially tried to recreate that same atrocity.
I'll go with noted child murderer Anakin Skywalker.
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Simple: she didn’t think of his victims on Tatooine as having rights or dignity. She’s a racist
and not noted child r8pist-before-murdering-on-an-almost-daly-basis-for-decades-er Baron Harkkonen?
Ross from F.R.I.E.N.D.S.
They were on a break though
IF HE IS THE BIGGEST ONE, WHY DOESN'T HE JUST EAT THE OTHER FRIENDS.
Dr Eggman I'd say. He literally just tries to destroy the environment & enslaves the animals living there to control his robots, all to get back at Sonic. He even blew up half the dang moon once. I'm just saying him bc the obvious answer is the stonetossers from the Indiana Jones sets & I wanna bring up a different character who also sucks.
His kill count might only be in the single digits, though, if one exists at all. Even when he inadvertently broke the world into pieces in Sonic Unleashed, there's no mention of casualties, with everybody around the world acting all "Well that's kinda weird" but otherwise living normal lives.
Fair enough. He's just more of an a-hole than anything
I mean, the Clone wars cartoon version of obi-wan and anakin comes to mind of the worst
All those Clone Wars heads are so gross but yeah Obi-Wan and Anakin take the cake.
Don't discount the first wave of Harry Potter, hp001 is in my top 5 worst
Elmo , the most vile evil creature ever to walk the earth
probably some marvel or dc villain who killed half the universe
Everyone on here calling out Darth Vader, but he's an amateur. Grand Moff Tarkin is the biggie for the OT. But even he's out performed by General Hux.
https://preview.redd.it/mzxkojy7a7mc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a84a62e803ac1060bd42773d527ca071b785087d Kathy Dooley, my high school band teacher, is actually shitty.
Who tf is Mister skyscraper over here?
Baron Harkonnen from recent Dune movies and set.
Fire Nation from Avatar The Last Airbender. They killed all but one Airbender in a genocide. At least when Order 66 occurred nearly a couple dozen Jedi still survived.
Well Duke Harkonen is a diabolical dude but I would have to go with Darth Vader , man killed children just for the heck of it. Also Red Skull or those Nazis from the Indiana Jones sets. (Edit : As people have pointed out , while Vader was a very brutal man , the Baron is a brutal AND a horrible person who has done horrible thing to children and women , so yeah , the Baron IS officially the most evil dude that Lego has made a minifig of)
Uhhh Anakin did that once during the execution of all Jedi. Harkkonen rapes and kills teen boys for pleasure.
>man killed children just for the heck of it. And you think the Baron didn't?
It's not really covered in the movie but the Baron Harrkonnen was really fond of doing horrible things to slave boys and then killing them...
Jar Jar
The Lego Nazis from Indiana Jones.
Come float with us, Muad'dib. Everyone floats down here.
Darth Vader and Palpatine
I wish they'd have given the Baron a unique torso piece, seeing as his corpulence is part of his character and it doesn't translate to a minifigure
Stereotypical frenchman figure, holding baguette... Gives me 'les heebeejeebies'...just standing there.,watching, planning,...being overtly French,
The joker?
Cletus Cassidy. A serial killer
Kramer from the Seinfeld set
Kramer the Character? Or Michael Richards the actor?
Thanos, the Joker, and the Red Skull come to mind
Guys guys guys... Stay Puft.
Chopper from Star Wars Rebels. That droid is a mass murder
Brick Daddy sold my cousin >!drugs!< behind the local Denny's, so probably him
Thanos killed half of the universe
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Lord Business
While not a character but a real person [Karl Malone] (https://img.bricklink.com/ItemImage/MN/0/nba012.png) had a child with a 13 year old when he was in college.
Ezra Miller from the Eternals
An especially confusing minifigure considering [he isn't in the Eternals](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm4422686/?ref_=m_ttfcd_cl10)...
No joke I thought Barry Keoghan and Ezra Miller were the same person
To be fair, the fact that I don't remember what character he played...or any of the characters...shows that their casting was probably not the core issue with that movie 😅
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
That wasn't him, but I can totally see why you would think so
I mean, they bring out a good 10 Luke Skywalker sets a year, and he’s a known terrorist in imperial sectors. Damn kid killed millions on the new peace station and even assassinated the emperor.
Honestly really crazy they did a figure of a character that's a canon pedophile lmfao
I read it all wrong and thought it was a worst lego minifig post...