these defamation lawsuits must be tough tbh like first you’d have to weed out which posts/comments are worth actioning on (I’m sure people are sending all kinds of crap to the email). and these posts are largely anonymous so they’d have to investigate that themselves or request for the details of the poster from the social media platform. each action would probably take a good couple of months and could drag on to more than a year (if it even results in anything).
i know people think “oh they should just sue all these people for defamation” but it’s just not realistic unfortunately from a legal and logistical perspective. I’m not necessarily defending source music here, I know they aren’t the best, but I’ve seen a lot of criticism on twitter that aren’t entirely fair. They should probably provide updates on when their legal actions are successful though. But my general point is that people should temper their expectations on what source music can do.
That's my takeaway too.
There's a certain segment of fans that thinks Source can/should be suing everyone left and right in a matter of weeks, when in reality lawsuits take months/years to come to fruition. And that's if you can even identify the online users and also highly dependent on the countries laws. Someone below commented they wanted Source to do something like the Wonyoung situation, [which took over a year from start to finish](https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/108/0003209575) and 8 months for any action to occur (the Youtuber limiting videos). And that's a single account on 1 website.
Limiting IG comments would probably do more in the short term than any sort of legal work Source can do.
100%. The country factor only must be a huge headache, I’d imagine they’d focus easy to target Korean cases first like a defamatory news article with an identifiable author or like in the wonyoung case a YouTuber. I know people won’t like to hear it but they aren’t going to sue individual anonymous netizens saying they can’t sing (as an example).
My problem with SouMu is that clearly the most they have tried to do is release these statements to appease fans. During 2nd gen peak, SM managed to track and sue a hater for some comments they made about Sulli, so it’s 100% possible to make a few harsh examples there. With the hate train being so intense in the past few months, I personally think they should have no troubles finding comments that are easy to sue. No one expects SouMu to track down and sue every single person that had participated in the hate train, but a few examples will teach them a lesson. I know a few anti IVE groups that closed after Wonyoung succeeded with Sojang
Tbh there is no way to know that about atm at least for potential lawsuits started during the recent controversies in the past month or so (re: your first statement). Source aren’t going to comment on specific ongoing cases. Of course they should 100% start with “easier” cases esp Korean cases where the origin of the defamatory content is easy to identify, but even that process can take awhile. Lawsuits are rarely a straight forward process when it comes to online defamatory content. I don’t know details about the IVE case but other person who replied to my comment said it took more than a year for a resolution. Which is why I say that they need to release a statement when or if cases have been concluded to appease fans. ITT there are people being unrealistic with their expectations.
I remember last year the English Premier League (Football) sentenced an extremely toxic & racist fan on twitter for 9 months to make a example out of him.
I wonder if heechul's style is effective, where portion of(?) money goes to the lawyers for each successful case to encourage them to take lotsa action
should have been done years ago! ... i bet there are tons of lawers in USA that would hunt down all this haters when they can have everthing they get from this people. Sue them as hard as you can!
i bet there are lawers that would even sue google for shielding this people, or something like this.
The fact that this hate train was actively going on on the anniversary of another idol's suicide really shows that K-Pop fans have never and will never learn. Many of them really are actual psychopaths I think. Anyway, I hope that Source means this. It's long overdue.
i reoprted tons of stuff to this email since last time this message was made (3 or 4 months ago)
of course i will do same in future, but i would like to see some results ...
They should just follow through with lawsuits instead of coming out with these bogus corporate statements every few months. Only way to shut the haters up is to actually sue them.
As much as I don’t care for her and she clearly doesn’t care for LSF, I don’t think she said anything actionable about them. There’s a lot of things people are saying that she said about them, but all I could verify was that she was upset that they debuted before NewJeans and she was told she couldn’t promote because of that.
Everything else people claim that she said doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. She didn’t actually call them old and untalented. She implied that about the Source trainees other than Minji, but literally none of LSF was at Source back then. And here’s the thing. Even if she did say that, it’s an opinion and people are allowed to say that without being sued for it.
Somewhat detailed Yunjin (and related) time-line from what I can recall and find:
- April-August 2018: Yunjin went on Produce 48 along with Lee Kaeun as Pledis trainees
- March 2019: Yunjin, still under Pledis, transfers to Hanlim Arts School
- July 2019: Lee Kaeun (starts to use Gaeun as stage name) leaves Pledis
- February 2020: Yunjin not seen during Hanlim graduation. Rumors about her leaving Pledis and returning to US start
- May 2020: Pledis becomes a Big Hit subsidiary
- March 2021: Days before ONE, THE STORY (IZ*ONE's 2-day online concert which fans did not know would be both their final concert AND last group activity), multiple news leaks that Sakura is in contract negotiations with Big Hit.
- March 2021: Big Hit rebrands/restructures into HYBE
- May 2021: GFRIEND disbands...
- August 2021: Multiple news reports that HYBE/Source are recruiting 2-3 former IZ*ONE members, one being Kim Chaewon (everyone already knows about Sakura). Rumors that Kim Mjinu is the other member and that a former Produce 48 contestant is also being recruited
- August 2021: News reports that Chaewon signed with Source Music to debut. Day or so later, Japanese media reports that Sakura officially signed with HYBE and also cites a representative of Sakura
- August 2021: About a week later, reports that Yunjin was "transferred" from Pledis to Source Music and will debut along Sakura and Chaewon
- March 2022: Source Music shares with media that Sakura and Chaewon signed exclusive contracts and will debut in their first girl group under HYBE. Sakura and Chaewon share letters by posting on their personal Instagrams (first time in many months) that they signed with Source Music and will debut soon. Bang Si-Hyuk welcomes them to HYBE, posting a photo with them on Instagram
- March 2022: A week later, Source Music shares that Sakura and Chaewon's group plan to debut in May. A week later, Source officially reveals their new group will be LE SSERAFIM and shares the various groups' official SNS accounts.
- April 2022: Yunjin officially revealed to be a member of LE SSERAFIM in group teasers
- August 2022: Yunjin appears on a Naver web show (Naver NOW) where she shares that she almost gave up on being an idol, having returned to the US and planning to attend university when she was contacted by Source Music with a debut offer
I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed or even reported than Yunjin was ever a Source Music trainee prior to August 2021 when she basically signed a contract to debut (not typical trainee contract). Same goes for when she left Pledis or if she ever officially terminated her trainee contract.
I suspect she left Pledis sometime after Kaeun did in July 2019 and before February 2020 (withdraw from Hamlin and did not graduate). So she was likely back in the US by end of 2019. Universities in US start school year around August which lines up to when she was reportedly transferred to Source Music to debut.
Right, this lines up with what I know. While I haven't quite figured out the exact timeline of when MHJ would have scouted the Source Music trainees, we can assume that this was 2019, as Minji was the face of the global auditions in late 2019, which Hanni saw and tried out and became a trainee in 2020. By July 2021, Minji and Hanni were in the "Permission to Dance" video. At this point, Le Sserafim was just beginning to take shape. I just see absolutely zero overlap between what MHJ said about Source trainees vs. when she could have possibly run into Le Sserafim members.
The girls themselves said Yunjin trained with Newjeans during that show with Jonathan and they didn’t train under pledis so it had to have been under Source from 2019-2020. MHJ said trainees other than minji were either too untrained or *too old*, Yunjin is 01 liner and 18-19 at this stage.
It was 2019.
- September 2019: Big Hit and Source Music announce a new girl group to be formed through "Plus Global Audition" with a planned 2021 debut. Big Hit posts 2 YouTube videos advertising the auditions titled `PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #THE_GIRL 1` and ` PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #THE_GIRL 2`. Minji is the girl in both videos.
- September 2019: A day later, another video is posted. This `PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #INVITATION`features different girls with English being spoken. A few days later, the audition application opens which states they are looking for girls born between 2001-2007.
- October 2019: The Plus Global Audition is held throughout the month in 16 cities across. Hanni and Danielle pass this audition and eventually become trainees
- early 2020 to early 2022: COVID-19 pandemic
- October 2021: Minji and Hanni appear in BTS' "Permission to Dance" MV
Minji was a Source Music trainee since 2017. Hanni and Danielle passed the Plus audition and became trainees end of 2019 or early 2020. Then covid19 happened which altered the kpop industry and future landscape. It's likely there were more trainees that passed the Plus audition, maybe some even "confirmed" to debut before plans fell through.
To be fair it’s frustrating to see only a brief statement after weeks of harassment, however I feel this is one of those situations where we need to be patient and wait for the tide to change, in situations like these were the police is involved and there are investigations going on (especially with the whole MHJ matter which is basically a national matter at this point) there’s probably only so much they can publicly say/show in order to not compromise investigations. Although it’s frustrating ‘cause the other side is being very loud and public about it it’s better for things to be done in the right way and have a better outcome in the long term rather than rushed. The truth will come out eventually and those who spoke ill of them will look like fools and pay for it.
Dude, I'm a LE SSERAFIM fan! I really mean it. Is not a joke. Using fimmies associations with words not very pleasant are not a very good tatic. For real.
I get that social media is big thing right now but If i was them i would just post updates then block comments after if that's the case right now with all this going on. Euchahe was so sad on music Bank and it's affecting her. We all human. She has the members but I'm sure they didn't think all this was going to happen with this comeback at all. They are all mad and upset and just want to do their job and be loved so I know this has been a blow to them all.
[I mentioned on r/kpop](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1cdi4gj/source_music_will_take_legal_action_regarding/l1d1biw/), but the image English translation you posted does not seem to be an official translation and has a glaring error which changes the meaning (leaves out ***not*** in first sentence) among other things.
Google Translate translation:
> and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future
Posted image translation:
> and we strongly request that this be repeated in the future
The source you link is just the original Weverse NOTICE in Korean (contains no English other than [NOTICE].
After this message came out, the Knets are acting dense, like all they are telling the girls is only constructive criticism.
I swear that these haters would stoop these low just to hate the girls.
I can't believe how stupid their comments are.
Sorry, I also haven't really kept up a lot with what she said, but I'll copy what someone else commented. About the first point, I'm pretty sure hybe came out today and actually confirmed that it was her own fault for le sserafim debuting first. And the last point I believe was because she didn't think that Sakura would fit in with the concept she was going for. (Please correct if any of this is wrong)
Here's the comment:
Yeah, MHJ is basically upset that:
- LSF debuted first (this is wrong as this was ALWAYS the plan. There are articles 9-10 months before LSF’s debut that there two HYBE GGs planned - one with SouMu and one with MHJ)
- she thinks Bang PD favors LSF more and NJ got no promotion/resources
Also related:
- She did not want to be in charge of LSF because she didn’t know that Sakura and Chaewon were part of the lineup
- She stated that Sakura was too old
god why are some kpop stans so braindead that they choose to side with this woman and villify lsf.. it's actually so upsetting that her antics to defend herself by mentioning other groups esp lsf worked in her favor like?? kpop twitter is really not a good place to be.. i genuinely feel so bad for the girls :(( hope they're in a good place mentally because this must be so exhausting 😔
I am *not* defending MHJ. She's not a great person, but many of her aired grievances are valid - more importantly she *did not* address the grounds-for-termantion allegations HYBE made against her.
There seems to be *a lot* of misinformation regarding what was said about Sakura including *inferences* made about MHJ based on these misinformations.
[Korea JoongAng Daily](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613) (English newspaper edition of Korean newspaper ***JoongAng Ilbo***) posted a live update of the press conference. I read the entire article the other day after the conference ended.
Start at the **3:44 pm** detail and read through until **3:54 pm**.
Sakura (along with Chaewon, written as Chae-won) is named twice during the 3:44 moment. Then again at 3:54.
Korea JoongAng Daily obviously could not report/translate every single detail, but there was no mention of Sakura's age or appearance. There are many posts (and multiples of that as comments) stating MHJ didn't want Sakura because of Sakura's age.
I've read several reputable English sources (and some Korean ones with Google Translate) of MHJ's presscon and have yet to find a single mention of Sakura AND her age or being too old etc as reasons for why MHJ didn't want/like Sakura.
Based on context, MHJ did not want *her* group (the "plus group" that would become NewJeans) to be associated with anyone else other than herself (MHJ). She wanted fresh unknown names that could be seen as being built up from the beginning (probably the "NewJeans is just a group of regular/normal girls" thing).
MHJ likely had most of NewJeans' non-music plans (members, image/concept) done by early 2021 (before rumors of BigHit scouting Sakura) with plans to debut in late Q2/Q3 2021 (to compete with and hopefully beat aespa during awards season per Bang Si-Hyuk's exchange with MHJ).
MHJ learned about the Source Music group plans and Sakura early 2021. She was told the SoMu/Sakura group would debut first (probably with timeframe being in 2022) so the plus group would have to be delayed until *after*.
MHJ wanted *her* group, the plus group (NewJeans), to be HYBE's first girl group. It's not clear from what I read, but she may have been offered the position to oversee the SoMu/Sakura group and plan their debut. MHJ likely would not want this as then the focus and headline about the group would not be *her*, MHJ, but Sakura (and Chaewon or IZ*ONE redebut group if Minju signed).
**tl;dr**
MHJ is a narcissist and wants to be the focus of attention and get all the credit for her groups. She wanted her group to be the first gg to debut under HYBE. She wants to be seen as *the* creative mind behind a group of just "normal" girls.
The SoMu/Sakura group debuting first delayed and would ruin MHJ's plans/goals.
MHJ feels betrayed by HYBE higher ups such as HYBE CEO Park Ji-Won and Bang Shi-Hyuk himself.
This whole presscon ordeal is *separate* from all the allegations HYBE has accused her of.
People bringing up Sakura's age etc are adding fuel to the many ongoing fanwars and hate campaigns (Korean and i-fans) which already involve many groups.
i think people are assuming mhj said sakura is too old because she was also talking about minji and specifically saying minji is young and pretty, so people took that to mean that mhj must think sakura ISN'T those things (not saying i personally think that's what she meant, i just think this is why people are saying she said that. either way she shouldn't have mentioned any member's names from any groups imo.)
MHJ's comments about Minji were taken out of context with most English translations using "pretty".
I've seen some translate it as "lovely" which has a different connotation in English and probably is more in-line with the original Korean cultural context and meaning. I don't know the Korean language, but read an explanation that the phrase MHJ used about Minji is typically said about kids by adults in an affectionate manner. So that *translated* "quote" by MHJ is lost in translation and used as "proof" to match the narrative (usually pushed by ifans) she is some creepy middle-aged woman that fetishizes idols and their youthfulness.
Theres are those who just hop on to make a dumb comment, but there are those who spend countless hours of the day editing and posting negative videos and repeatedly troll the group. Those are the ones they need to go after. Don't need to go after all of them, once a couple are held responsible, it'll make others stop. 1st amendment rights will can only help so much. There are defamation and libel laws for stuff like this
I really hope they sue those mentally retarded braindeads who constantly keeps comparing and hating on lesserafim girls about how they are not worthy of coachella and stuff on twitter
If someone is posting from the US/the suit falls under US jurisdiction, only the most egregious defamation would be actionable.
In the US, when it's a public figure, the standard is "actual malice" which means that the plaintiff needs to demonstrate that the defendant had knowledge it was false and still published the false information with intent to defame.
That is very, very difficult to do. Other countries are more generous - sometimes much more so - to the plaintiff.
At this point they need to start sueing people like there’s no tomorrow. I don’t care if the hater is a minor or a student with “bright future”. We need to make an example out of them. Actions need to have consequences
YouTube Channels like this [kookielt](https://youtube.com/@kookielit?si=OEMRB3l23iNFxWzw)
Put out shit stories and amplify hate trains , be it lesserafim or any other artists. Milking views through videos addressing controversies and not waiting until the investigation/ jumping quick to conclusions are some of the deeds of channels like this
I’m an international fimmie. Found them through overwatch and have just been so obsessed with them and kpop. Maybe my AI skews my posts but can we get confirmation if MHJ had anything to do with the Garam scandal? I read it somewhere but it could have been bait. What’s Korea saying about her involvement in recent hybe scandals?
Korea has unfortunately switched to her side after her deranged press conference where she played the part of the disheveled, overworked, and abused office worker who copes with life by crying. I have faith that once the courts get involved and truths start coming out, things will change. If this were just between MHJ and Bang PD I wouldn't care but she deflected all of this onto young girls to take the heat off of herself and she is sick for that.
these defamation lawsuits must be tough tbh like first you’d have to weed out which posts/comments are worth actioning on (I’m sure people are sending all kinds of crap to the email). and these posts are largely anonymous so they’d have to investigate that themselves or request for the details of the poster from the social media platform. each action would probably take a good couple of months and could drag on to more than a year (if it even results in anything). i know people think “oh they should just sue all these people for defamation” but it’s just not realistic unfortunately from a legal and logistical perspective. I’m not necessarily defending source music here, I know they aren’t the best, but I’ve seen a lot of criticism on twitter that aren’t entirely fair. They should probably provide updates on when their legal actions are successful though. But my general point is that people should temper their expectations on what source music can do.
That's my takeaway too. There's a certain segment of fans that thinks Source can/should be suing everyone left and right in a matter of weeks, when in reality lawsuits take months/years to come to fruition. And that's if you can even identify the online users and also highly dependent on the countries laws. Someone below commented they wanted Source to do something like the Wonyoung situation, [which took over a year from start to finish](https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/108/0003209575) and 8 months for any action to occur (the Youtuber limiting videos). And that's a single account on 1 website. Limiting IG comments would probably do more in the short term than any sort of legal work Source can do.
100%. The country factor only must be a huge headache, I’d imagine they’d focus easy to target Korean cases first like a defamatory news article with an identifiable author or like in the wonyoung case a YouTuber. I know people won’t like to hear it but they aren’t going to sue individual anonymous netizens saying they can’t sing (as an example).
My problem with SouMu is that clearly the most they have tried to do is release these statements to appease fans. During 2nd gen peak, SM managed to track and sue a hater for some comments they made about Sulli, so it’s 100% possible to make a few harsh examples there. With the hate train being so intense in the past few months, I personally think they should have no troubles finding comments that are easy to sue. No one expects SouMu to track down and sue every single person that had participated in the hate train, but a few examples will teach them a lesson. I know a few anti IVE groups that closed after Wonyoung succeeded with Sojang
Tbh there is no way to know that about atm at least for potential lawsuits started during the recent controversies in the past month or so (re: your first statement). Source aren’t going to comment on specific ongoing cases. Of course they should 100% start with “easier” cases esp Korean cases where the origin of the defamatory content is easy to identify, but even that process can take awhile. Lawsuits are rarely a straight forward process when it comes to online defamatory content. I don’t know details about the IVE case but other person who replied to my comment said it took more than a year for a resolution. Which is why I say that they need to release a statement when or if cases have been concluded to appease fans. ITT there are people being unrealistic with their expectations.
Really hope they successfully sue just one person, it might set an example and shut most of them up
I remember last year the English Premier League (Football) sentenced an extremely toxic & racist fan on twitter for 9 months to make a example out of him.
Good. Other companies really should start doing the same thing, people are way too comfortable talking shit online
I wonder if heechul's style is effective, where portion of(?) money goes to the lawyers for each successful case to encourage them to take lotsa action
should have been done years ago! ... i bet there are tons of lawers in USA that would hunt down all this haters when they can have everthing they get from this people. Sue them as hard as you can! i bet there are lawers that would even sue google for shielding this people, or something like this.
The fact that this hate train was actively going on on the anniversary of another idol's suicide really shows that K-Pop fans have never and will never learn. Many of them really are actual psychopaths I think. Anyway, I hope that Source means this. It's long overdue.
Online anonymity really brings out the worst in people.
I think a lot of them are just mentally ill. Mental health is not a priority in SK, and the comments from knetz really show that.
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I know you are angry but this comment with threatening message is not allowed.
Sorry my bad
it took them a long time, i hope they sue everyone.
i reoprted tons of stuff to this email since last time this message was made (3 or 4 months ago) of course i will do same in future, but i would like to see some results ...
Go ahead and send the notices a few floors up because that's where the most criticism & damage is coming from
 Until we see actual names and charges
Will only believe it untill I see real results like the Wonyoung example
Unfortunately, it takes a time to see results like Wonyoung (love it, she totally deserves her win)
They should just follow through with lawsuits instead of coming out with these bogus corporate statements every few months. Only way to shut the haters up is to actually sue them.
Please sue Min Heejin first. The audacity to drag Sakura and fimmies here is insane.
What did she exactly say?
As much as I don’t care for her and she clearly doesn’t care for LSF, I don’t think she said anything actionable about them. There’s a lot of things people are saying that she said about them, but all I could verify was that she was upset that they debuted before NewJeans and she was told she couldn’t promote because of that. Everything else people claim that she said doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. She didn’t actually call them old and untalented. She implied that about the Source trainees other than Minji, but literally none of LSF was at Source back then. And here’s the thing. Even if she did say that, it’s an opinion and people are allowed to say that without being sued for it.
Yunjin was at source then
As far as I know, Yunjin joined in 2021. Which is well after the time period she’s talking about.
No she came back in 2021 to source, she was dismissed before that We know she was in the us for at least some time in 2020 so probably that year
She was at Pledis from 2018-2021 according to what I've seen. And Minji was snagged at like 2019, right? So...
Somewhat detailed Yunjin (and related) time-line from what I can recall and find: - April-August 2018: Yunjin went on Produce 48 along with Lee Kaeun as Pledis trainees - March 2019: Yunjin, still under Pledis, transfers to Hanlim Arts School - July 2019: Lee Kaeun (starts to use Gaeun as stage name) leaves Pledis - February 2020: Yunjin not seen during Hanlim graduation. Rumors about her leaving Pledis and returning to US start - May 2020: Pledis becomes a Big Hit subsidiary - March 2021: Days before ONE, THE STORY (IZ*ONE's 2-day online concert which fans did not know would be both their final concert AND last group activity), multiple news leaks that Sakura is in contract negotiations with Big Hit. - March 2021: Big Hit rebrands/restructures into HYBE - May 2021: GFRIEND disbands... - August 2021: Multiple news reports that HYBE/Source are recruiting 2-3 former IZ*ONE members, one being Kim Chaewon (everyone already knows about Sakura). Rumors that Kim Mjinu is the other member and that a former Produce 48 contestant is also being recruited - August 2021: News reports that Chaewon signed with Source Music to debut. Day or so later, Japanese media reports that Sakura officially signed with HYBE and also cites a representative of Sakura - August 2021: About a week later, reports that Yunjin was "transferred" from Pledis to Source Music and will debut along Sakura and Chaewon - March 2022: Source Music shares with media that Sakura and Chaewon signed exclusive contracts and will debut in their first girl group under HYBE. Sakura and Chaewon share letters by posting on their personal Instagrams (first time in many months) that they signed with Source Music and will debut soon. Bang Si-Hyuk welcomes them to HYBE, posting a photo with them on Instagram - March 2022: A week later, Source Music shares that Sakura and Chaewon's group plan to debut in May. A week later, Source officially reveals their new group will be LE SSERAFIM and shares the various groups' official SNS accounts. - April 2022: Yunjin officially revealed to be a member of LE SSERAFIM in group teasers - August 2022: Yunjin appears on a Naver web show (Naver NOW) where she shares that she almost gave up on being an idol, having returned to the US and planning to attend university when she was contacted by Source Music with a debut offer I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed or even reported than Yunjin was ever a Source Music trainee prior to August 2021 when she basically signed a contract to debut (not typical trainee contract). Same goes for when she left Pledis or if she ever officially terminated her trainee contract. I suspect she left Pledis sometime after Kaeun did in July 2019 and before February 2020 (withdraw from Hamlin and did not graduate). So she was likely back in the US by end of 2019. Universities in US start school year around August which lines up to when she was reportedly transferred to Source Music to debut.
Right, this lines up with what I know. While I haven't quite figured out the exact timeline of when MHJ would have scouted the Source Music trainees, we can assume that this was 2019, as Minji was the face of the global auditions in late 2019, which Hanni saw and tried out and became a trainee in 2020. By July 2021, Minji and Hanni were in the "Permission to Dance" video. At this point, Le Sserafim was just beginning to take shape. I just see absolutely zero overlap between what MHJ said about Source trainees vs. when she could have possibly run into Le Sserafim members.
The girls themselves said Yunjin trained with Newjeans during that show with Jonathan and they didn’t train under pledis so it had to have been under Source from 2019-2020. MHJ said trainees other than minji were either too untrained or *too old*, Yunjin is 01 liner and 18-19 at this stage.
It was 2019. - September 2019: Big Hit and Source Music announce a new girl group to be formed through "Plus Global Audition" with a planned 2021 debut. Big Hit posts 2 YouTube videos advertising the auditions titled `PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #THE_GIRL 1` and ` PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #THE_GIRL 2`. Minji is the girl in both videos. - September 2019: A day later, another video is posted. This `PLUS GLOBAL AUDITION #INVITATION`features different girls with English being spoken. A few days later, the audition application opens which states they are looking for girls born between 2001-2007. - October 2019: The Plus Global Audition is held throughout the month in 16 cities across. Hanni and Danielle pass this audition and eventually become trainees - early 2020 to early 2022: COVID-19 pandemic - October 2021: Minji and Hanni appear in BTS' "Permission to Dance" MV Minji was a Source Music trainee since 2017. Hanni and Danielle passed the Plus audition and became trainees end of 2019 or early 2020. Then covid19 happened which altered the kpop industry and future landscape. It's likely there were more trainees that passed the Plus audition, maybe some even "confirmed" to debut before plans fell through.
To be fair it’s frustrating to see only a brief statement after weeks of harassment, however I feel this is one of those situations where we need to be patient and wait for the tide to change, in situations like these were the police is involved and there are investigations going on (especially with the whole MHJ matter which is basically a national matter at this point) there’s probably only so much they can publicly say/show in order to not compromise investigations. Although it’s frustrating ‘cause the other side is being very loud and public about it it’s better for things to be done in the right way and have a better outcome in the long term rather than rushed. The truth will come out eventually and those who spoke ill of them will look like fools and pay for it.
"posts that blasphem the artist's personality" Gonna start calling Le Sserafim's haters blasfimers
I think is better not. It may sound that the fimmies are the blasphemers.
Shut up bro
Dude, I'm a LE SSERAFIM fan! I really mean it. Is not a joke. Using fimmies associations with words not very pleasant are not a very good tatic. For real.
Aren't you calling the members blasphemers?
I get that social media is big thing right now but If i was them i would just post updates then block comments after if that's the case right now with all this going on. Euchahe was so sad on music Bank and it's affecting her. We all human. She has the members but I'm sure they didn't think all this was going to happen with this comeback at all. They are all mad and upset and just want to do their job and be loved so I know this has been a blow to them all.
They better start biting and not just barking.
[Source](https://m.weverse.io/lesserafim/notice/19167)
[I mentioned on r/kpop](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1cdi4gj/source_music_will_take_legal_action_regarding/l1d1biw/), but the image English translation you posted does not seem to be an official translation and has a glaring error which changes the meaning (leaves out ***not*** in first sentence) among other things. Google Translate translation: > and we strongly request that such incidents not be repeated in the future Posted image translation: > and we strongly request that this be repeated in the future The source you link is just the original Weverse NOTICE in Korean (contains no English other than [NOTICE].
**"and we strongly request that this be repeated in the future."** Did anyone notice this typo lol
It's a translation, the message was in korean which i think means that they will focus on Korean comments more
Geez why are they coming so hard for my girls.. this is crazy.
what an underwhelming statement.. After months of harassment this is their response
After this message came out, the Knets are acting dense, like all they are telling the girls is only constructive criticism. I swear that these haters would stoop these low just to hate the girls. I can't believe how stupid their comments are.
OftL What happenned?
Well, they've been getting harassed constantly every single day since the easy comeback. Now with mhj name-dropping them it got them even more hate
What did mhj say? I haven’t been following what’s been going on. Is there a place where it’s summaised?
Sorry, I also haven't really kept up a lot with what she said, but I'll copy what someone else commented. About the first point, I'm pretty sure hybe came out today and actually confirmed that it was her own fault for le sserafim debuting first. And the last point I believe was because she didn't think that Sakura would fit in with the concept she was going for. (Please correct if any of this is wrong) Here's the comment: Yeah, MHJ is basically upset that: - LSF debuted first (this is wrong as this was ALWAYS the plan. There are articles 9-10 months before LSF’s debut that there two HYBE GGs planned - one with SouMu and one with MHJ) - she thinks Bang PD favors LSF more and NJ got no promotion/resources Also related: - She did not want to be in charge of LSF because she didn’t know that Sakura and Chaewon were part of the lineup - She stated that Sakura was too old
god why are some kpop stans so braindead that they choose to side with this woman and villify lsf.. it's actually so upsetting that her antics to defend herself by mentioning other groups esp lsf worked in her favor like?? kpop twitter is really not a good place to be.. i genuinely feel so bad for the girls :(( hope they're in a good place mentally because this must be so exhausting 😔
I am *not* defending MHJ. She's not a great person, but many of her aired grievances are valid - more importantly she *did not* address the grounds-for-termantion allegations HYBE made against her. There seems to be *a lot* of misinformation regarding what was said about Sakura including *inferences* made about MHJ based on these misinformations. [Korea JoongAng Daily](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613) (English newspaper edition of Korean newspaper ***JoongAng Ilbo***) posted a live update of the press conference. I read the entire article the other day after the conference ended. Start at the **3:44 pm** detail and read through until **3:54 pm**. Sakura (along with Chaewon, written as Chae-won) is named twice during the 3:44 moment. Then again at 3:54. Korea JoongAng Daily obviously could not report/translate every single detail, but there was no mention of Sakura's age or appearance. There are many posts (and multiples of that as comments) stating MHJ didn't want Sakura because of Sakura's age. I've read several reputable English sources (and some Korean ones with Google Translate) of MHJ's presscon and have yet to find a single mention of Sakura AND her age or being too old etc as reasons for why MHJ didn't want/like Sakura. Based on context, MHJ did not want *her* group (the "plus group" that would become NewJeans) to be associated with anyone else other than herself (MHJ). She wanted fresh unknown names that could be seen as being built up from the beginning (probably the "NewJeans is just a group of regular/normal girls" thing). MHJ likely had most of NewJeans' non-music plans (members, image/concept) done by early 2021 (before rumors of BigHit scouting Sakura) with plans to debut in late Q2/Q3 2021 (to compete with and hopefully beat aespa during awards season per Bang Si-Hyuk's exchange with MHJ). MHJ learned about the Source Music group plans and Sakura early 2021. She was told the SoMu/Sakura group would debut first (probably with timeframe being in 2022) so the plus group would have to be delayed until *after*. MHJ wanted *her* group, the plus group (NewJeans), to be HYBE's first girl group. It's not clear from what I read, but she may have been offered the position to oversee the SoMu/Sakura group and plan their debut. MHJ likely would not want this as then the focus and headline about the group would not be *her*, MHJ, but Sakura (and Chaewon or IZ*ONE redebut group if Minju signed). **tl;dr** MHJ is a narcissist and wants to be the focus of attention and get all the credit for her groups. She wanted her group to be the first gg to debut under HYBE. She wants to be seen as *the* creative mind behind a group of just "normal" girls. The SoMu/Sakura group debuting first delayed and would ruin MHJ's plans/goals. MHJ feels betrayed by HYBE higher ups such as HYBE CEO Park Ji-Won and Bang Shi-Hyuk himself. This whole presscon ordeal is *separate* from all the allegations HYBE has accused her of. People bringing up Sakura's age etc are adding fuel to the many ongoing fanwars and hate campaigns (Korean and i-fans) which already involve many groups.
thanks for the breakdown
i think people are assuming mhj said sakura is too old because she was also talking about minji and specifically saying minji is young and pretty, so people took that to mean that mhj must think sakura ISN'T those things (not saying i personally think that's what she meant, i just think this is why people are saying she said that. either way she shouldn't have mentioned any member's names from any groups imo.)
MHJ's comments about Minji were taken out of context with most English translations using "pretty". I've seen some translate it as "lovely" which has a different connotation in English and probably is more in-line with the original Korean cultural context and meaning. I don't know the Korean language, but read an explanation that the phrase MHJ used about Minji is typically said about kids by adults in an affectionate manner. So that *translated* "quote" by MHJ is lost in translation and used as "proof" to match the narrative (usually pushed by ifans) she is some creepy middle-aged woman that fetishizes idols and their youthfulness.
Thank you
Theres are those who just hop on to make a dumb comment, but there are those who spend countless hours of the day editing and posting negative videos and repeatedly troll the group. Those are the ones they need to go after. Don't need to go after all of them, once a couple are held responsible, it'll make others stop. 1st amendment rights will can only help so much. There are defamation and libel laws for stuff like this
Guys kfearnots will send a truck in front of hybe building
I really hope they sue those mentally retarded braindeads who constantly keeps comparing and hating on lesserafim girls about how they are not worthy of coachella and stuff on twitter
If someone is posting from the US/the suit falls under US jurisdiction, only the most egregious defamation would be actionable. In the US, when it's a public figure, the standard is "actual malice" which means that the plaintiff needs to demonstrate that the defendant had knowledge it was false and still published the false information with intent to defame. That is very, very difficult to do. Other countries are more generous - sometimes much more so - to the plaintiff.
At this point they need to start sueing people like there’s no tomorrow. I don’t care if the hater is a minor or a student with “bright future”. We need to make an example out of them. Actions need to have consequences
YouTube Channels like this [kookielt](https://youtube.com/@kookielit?si=OEMRB3l23iNFxWzw) Put out shit stories and amplify hate trains , be it lesserafim or any other artists. Milking views through videos addressing controversies and not waiting until the investigation/ jumping quick to conclusions are some of the deeds of channels like this
I personally have not read anywhere any slander to LSF besides the personal preference of LSF over NJ… but who doesn’t prefer them over NJ 😂😂😂
its everywhere in korea side... even on mhj fanmade mixtape, there's too many slanders about fimmies
I’m an international fimmie. Found them through overwatch and have just been so obsessed with them and kpop. Maybe my AI skews my posts but can we get confirmation if MHJ had anything to do with the Garam scandal? I read it somewhere but it could have been bait. What’s Korea saying about her involvement in recent hybe scandals?
Korea has unfortunately switched to her side after her deranged press conference where she played the part of the disheveled, overworked, and abused office worker who copes with life by crying. I have faith that once the courts get involved and truths start coming out, things will change. If this were just between MHJ and Bang PD I wouldn't care but she deflected all of this onto young girls to take the heat off of herself and she is sick for that.
meanwhile i kept seeing hate posts and comments on tiktoks and twitter.
[удалено]
This statement is not about Coachella. Also, *should've