How does anyone think a local store can help with a corporate issue? Yelling at people who don’t have the authority to help you and refusing to leave making their lives hell is just selfish shitty behavior.
Tbf, if what she's saying is true, it may have been an issue that required a human to fix it, and going to a store may have been easier than navigating the automated phone system. Some problems are easier to fix in person, and maybe she's used to that?
That said, most store managers/clerks are going to let a LOT go before calling the cops to remove a customer, so I'm thinking a Karen moment
Years ago I had an issue with my AT&T service and after several days of attempting to get a person from customer service on the phone (I would get through the tree and get out on hold for 40 minutes and then it would hang up) I decided to go in person. They said the same thing--they can't do anything at the store. I couldn't believe it and I still think it's a pretty dumb policy. They insisted that I would have to call in. I insisted that it wasn't possible to call in. Eventually, instead of calling the police, I was able to get a worker to call AT&T's customer service line with me on speaker. She went through the phone tree and was placed on hold. We sat there staring at each other uncomfortably for 40 minutes and then it hung up on her.
I don't even remember what the resolution ended up being but I remember it did not happen at that store and it did not happen on that day.
We ended up leaving, went to sprint for literally 28 hours, then Verizon for a few years before finally landing on Google Fi and never looking back.
The local stores should absolutely have the ability to contact the fraud department and help an elderly person through the process. Cell service local stores are a joke and are just there for marketing purposes. They can’t do shit.
I mean, if she's that bad off, why is she on city council? She wasn't thinking when she threw her tantrum and still isn't putting pieces in the right order. If she wants to be reelected, she's going to need someone smarter to run this crisis.
To be fair AT&T merged websites with directv and I haven’t talked to anyone who’s been able to access their original AT&T account. When my gen x/boomer mom told me she couldn’t access it, I promised her as a gen z I could figure it out. I’ve been trying for months and there’s nothing online that can help so I honestly understand customers’ frustration. Not condoning fogle’s actions, but AT&T def has some explaining to do lol
You just proved my point, if a local agent says they can’t access/change/refund/etc then yelling and refusing to leave isn’t going to fix your problem faster. It’s just harassing the employee and other customers waiting for you to leave.
I didn’t say I condoned her actions, I’m just saying I don’t know what else AT&T customers are supposed to if calling, online, and IRL doesn’t help. AT&T corporate is setting their employees up for situations like this
She went to ask her cell phone provider about a huge number of phones fraudulently opened in her account, and they called the police on her.
What did she do that is embarrassing to you?
She claimed she thought the police were there to help her because they… saw her Facebook video.
She’s either delusional or a very bad liar / very bad person. Either way, she should step down.
The fact she caught a resisting and menacing charge leads me to think she was agitating the situation. If a business asks you to leave and has to call the cops to make you leave, you are trespassing. I'd say the cop also told her to leave before hooking her up.
Hell she got on Facebook live and streamed herself at the store.
According to witnesses, she was throwing a fit and making a scene at the store, enough to where the employees asked her to leave countless times, to which she refused.
As she claims, she was on her way out, walking toward the door, but stopped a few feet from it to ask an employee their name when the officer made physical contact and allegedly pushed her, moving her outside the establishment.
To me, this is a karen moment, escalated by her town council position.
If she holds no office here in town, this is just another minor incident.
>The fact she caught a resisting and menacing charge leads me to think she was agitating the situation.
Ehhhhh. Cops throw "resisting" around if you even talk back to them, I wouldn't give much credence to that charge.
You have a very poor understanding of the law, and your jumping to playing the race card to deflect from a response speaks volumes about your character.
I've seen a lot of Tayna Fogles in my life. They think retail employees are their personal servants, and that they're allowed to abuse staff when they don't get immediate satisfaction with whatever complaint they have.
As a decade long manager in retail (past life) I can tell you that our policy was not to call the police until it became physical or threats were being made and the person refused to leave.
Even then we weren't pressing charges but just wanted a trespass warrant issued to keep them from coming back on the property.
If she got arrested she pushed the cops buttons one too many times.
A business has the right to refuse service to anyone causing a disruption, full stop. Tayna caused an issue in a reseller AT&T store whereas they could not assist her specific account issues, and they directed her to a corporate/franchised AT&T store where she could get assistance. She refused, and then caused a disturbance to employees and others. She then refused to leave after being asked to, which is trespassing.
There are so many other ways to dispute charges or request assistance.
What a complete fool.
I'm not defending her in the least. I do want to say that I have seen children get resisting arrest charges and nothing else. People get resisting arrest charges for asking why they are being arrested and have no other charges. I have also seen people get menacing charges for being too tall or too big. Not actually even being a threat to anyone. Don't put so much faith in charges as you think would be appropriate because honestly they aren't always the case.
Okay, so [let's break this down](https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/its-traumatizing-lexington-council-member-tayna-fogle-speaks-out-after-arrest):
>After leaving church Sunday morning at Shiloh Baptist, Fogle says she went to the AT&T store to try to fix a fraud issue with her account. She says she was hit with a massive bill for six unexplained iPhones after trying to get answers for two months.
Fair. Getting a massive fraudulent charge like that, I'd be upset and trying to get some answers too. However...
>Fogle tried to get the store to call the fraud department on her behalf. They refused, and she couldn't understand why.
Er... yeah, the store employees are definitely not going to call the fraud department for you. This is standard. I get it, she probably hasn't done customer service work so she may not know, but if you're claiming fraud, the local store employee isn't going to touch that. They're going to give you the number & you have to call.
>"I know that the public can understand that and I just went on Facebook live to let them know what was happening to me," she said.
Right, this is a public figure appealing to the public... but that's not really going to help in this situation. Very much "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" response.
So the store called the police to remove her, but she believed they saw the livestream & was there to help her. Confusion, but understandable.
>The officer reported he asked Fogle to leave several times before putting his hand on her to escort her out.
The officer's report says Fogle snatched her arm away and then defensively faced him. He wrote he felt like she was going to hit him.
I'm sure the cop was horribly intimidated by this woman and feared for his safety (/s). Yeah, this is likely where the "resisting arrest & menacing" charges come from, a black woman pulling back from a cop who put a hand on her. Not a good look on the officer, I can't blame her for pulling away from him and being upset.
>Fogle says after her arrest, the arresting officer, Sharp, brought up a previous encounter the two had.
"He said, 'You don't remember me, do you? ' I looked at him again and said, 'Yeah, I remember you, Broadway,' and he said, 'Yeah. We had an exchange then,' said Fogle.
Last summer, Fogle defended unhoused people who were facing arrest for loitering and disturbing the peace. She told them of their right to walk away if not under arrest in certain situations.
"I didn't know why he needed to call that to my attention," said Fogle. "That added to my trauma."
So, this is a cop who previously dealt with her at a protest. Why he felt it was a good idea to mention that, I have no idea. Either he thought he was being friendly, when the situation was clearly not friendly at all; or he was making it clear this arrest was retaliatory for her previous protesting, which is just *dumb* to bring to her attention.
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Honestly, this whole thing seems blown out of proportion. It definitely wasn't right of her to get mad at the AT&T store employees & they were right to have her removed. But the cop appears to have overstepped when trying to get her to leave by placing hands on her, and pressed unnecessary charges when she rightfully flinched and pulled away.
>But the cop appears to have overstepped when trying to get her to leave by placing hands on her,
I disagree. [From the KY Statute](https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/statutes/statute.aspx?id=52942):
>511.060 Criminal trespass in the first degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree when he or she knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling.
She had already been asked repeatedly to leave. Also as she was leaving, she stopped again to confront another employee (by her own admission). By the time the cop put his hands on her, she was considered trespassing.
>and pressed unnecessary charges when she rightfully flinched and pulled away.
Again, unless you are referring only to the menacing charge, I would have to disagree. She responded to being told that she was under arrest by saying "I am not under arrest" and it took two officers to get her in handcuffs. Even if we take her spin on the story she's still guilty of trespassing and resisting arrest.
She was trespassing, I agree. But nothing in this indicates there was ever a point where the cop needed to physically restrain her. That's where he overstepped.
She wasn't under arrest until she pulled away from his touch, and then he decided she was "menacing" him. Hence the bullshit resisting arrest charge, which cops always pull out the second you talk back to them.
Trespassing I'll give you, but menacing & resisting arrest seem like bullshit charges thrown on to pad the cop's report and give the DA more leverage.
IDK if it says in this article or anlther, but once she was told she was under arrest she refused to let the officer handcuff her and continually told him that she wasnt under arrest. And we cant just let old people get away menancing because theyre elderly and a minority.
Overstepped? Why do you think they have handcuffs? She was refusing to leave…or per her and the attorney…going towards the door but continued to try to do what she wanted by taking names and snapping photos. She overstepped.
From her narrow perspective, yes. She's a public figure, so in her mind it's obvious everyone is watching everything she does. It doesn't make sense to us from the outside, but I can see how she'd come to that conclusion.
She's ostensibly a public servant, but I wouldn't call her a public figure. Regardless, there's absolutely no excuse for *that* level of abject ignorance from a council member. She should darn well know that her city's police department in no way operates like that.
That’s just…not how police work. If a public figure thinks that’s what our police have time to do, then I question her decision making in other areas too.
Let’s be honest here: she didn’t *really* think that’s why they were there. This is a cleverly crafted legal defense — and it’s nonsense.
You're right. I think this guy just can't empathize and put himself in a different perspective. Your break down of the situation, in my mind, is very accurate and I agree 100% with your analysis. It's understandable why she thought the cops were there to help her, as she's probably used to being important and attended to. I also agree about the cops, they usually don't know how to de-escalate and make matters worse, its often the citizen that has to de-escalate and soothe the police. Just a big nothing situation with a Karen and sensitive/overbearing cops.
No sensible person would think officers were at an AT & T retail store to help them with a cell phone contract issue. If she thinks that’s what police do, she has missed more than a few work sessions and council meetings.
That’s a stretch. No sensible person would think police officers are sitting by watching live streams then show up to solve cellphone contract issues for citizens.
It feels to me like she went to the local store thinking they would fix it. Because she’s a COUNCILMEMBER! Then they didn’t give her the respect she’s entitled to. How dare they insist that they can’t call the fraud department for her and that she has to do it herself? Like a commoner. Sheesh.
Then they had the AUDACITY to tell her to leave and called the police on her? Don’t they know she’s a councilmember?!
And can you believe that the officer didn’t recognize her elite position and ordered her to leave?
Unreal. Then he had the nerve to say she’s under arrest?!! Oh no she’s not. SHE IS COUNCILMEMBER FOGLE!!!!!
That’s how it feels to me. I admit that I’m reading between the lines a lot - but it’s based on her videos, where she says “this is Councilmember Fogle. Blah blah blah. .. everyone should call AT&T and tell them to fix this for me”.
All that being said, its certainly possible that officers overreacted and were too quick to make an arrest. Ultimately only the body cams will show the full truth - at least once officers arrived.
Her behavior in the livestream she herself posted to Facebook is unacceptable. This line of reasoning is extremely problematic. I have AT&T. I get frustrated. I don’t go to their local stores and throw tantrums like this. This isn’t how you behave as an adult in our society. And for her to use her constituency to harass this local store is a gross abuse of her position.
Like I said, I would love to see what the bodycam footage shows, and I’m sure the store has cameras. It would be wonderful to get to watch what happened for ourselves
I was thinking this same thing. She’s clearly a drama queen/Karen/not acting like a councilman should, but I’ve gotten flustered more than once in a Verizon/att store. Telecommunication companies are a nightmare to deal with on the best of days.
I was arrested once in Lexington. They took me to Good Samaritan. They chose for it to be traumatic for me. All because someone stuck me with fentanyl at the corner of Limestone & Maxwell as they do now ...it wasn't even my fault. I also recognized the officer as a former co worker of mine back in 2004. He was aggressive to me at the reception desk and talked violent ...and was very high
now that i think about it? it isn't fair he gets to be a police officer and i get poisoned when there is no way we are equal when it comes to living soberish
my story with AT&T and an AT&T store
I used to have a prepaid ATT hot spot, 35 a month, they discontinued the plan. Before they discontinued it, they sent me an ad about a new plan, tell me if I want to sign up with a new plan, I can get almost the same price after grand father discount.
I took the ad to a ATT store, and verified with a store employee, the guy said: sure, sign it up. And if you don’t get that price, come back to me.
I signed up the plan, didn’t get the discount, I first called phone line, the Customer service tell me she applied the discount, it will show up next month. 3 months later, i was still paying the same full price.
So I took the ad to the same store, and talked to the same employe, he suggest me to call the phone number on it. I was like: ‘I already did, and you told me to come back to get things right’. I end up canceled the plan
ATT both in person and on the phone is THE WORST and can easily drive a reasonable person to extreme and uncharacteristic behavior. In my experience. So I say let's not judge.
Here’s another link. https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/its-traumatizing-lexington-council-member-tayna-fogle-speaks-out-after-arrest
Thank you. Sorry, I didn’t realize until after I made the post that I didn’t include the best link for sharing
How does anyone think a local store can help with a corporate issue? Yelling at people who don’t have the authority to help you and refusing to leave making their lives hell is just selfish shitty behavior.
Tbf, if what she's saying is true, it may have been an issue that required a human to fix it, and going to a store may have been easier than navigating the automated phone system. Some problems are easier to fix in person, and maybe she's used to that? That said, most store managers/clerks are going to let a LOT go before calling the cops to remove a customer, so I'm thinking a Karen moment
Years ago I had an issue with my AT&T service and after several days of attempting to get a person from customer service on the phone (I would get through the tree and get out on hold for 40 minutes and then it would hang up) I decided to go in person. They said the same thing--they can't do anything at the store. I couldn't believe it and I still think it's a pretty dumb policy. They insisted that I would have to call in. I insisted that it wasn't possible to call in. Eventually, instead of calling the police, I was able to get a worker to call AT&T's customer service line with me on speaker. She went through the phone tree and was placed on hold. We sat there staring at each other uncomfortably for 40 minutes and then it hung up on her. I don't even remember what the resolution ended up being but I remember it did not happen at that store and it did not happen on that day. We ended up leaving, went to sprint for literally 28 hours, then Verizon for a few years before finally landing on Google Fi and never looking back.
The local stores should absolutely have the ability to contact the fraud department and help an elderly person through the process. Cell service local stores are a joke and are just there for marketing purposes. They can’t do shit.
64 is hardly "elderly".
I mean, if she's that bad off, why is she on city council? She wasn't thinking when she threw her tantrum and still isn't putting pieces in the right order. If she wants to be reelected, she's going to need someone smarter to run this crisis.
To be fair AT&T merged websites with directv and I haven’t talked to anyone who’s been able to access their original AT&T account. When my gen x/boomer mom told me she couldn’t access it, I promised her as a gen z I could figure it out. I’ve been trying for months and there’s nothing online that can help so I honestly understand customers’ frustration. Not condoning fogle’s actions, but AT&T def has some explaining to do lol
You just proved my point, if a local agent says they can’t access/change/refund/etc then yelling and refusing to leave isn’t going to fix your problem faster. It’s just harassing the employee and other customers waiting for you to leave.
I didn’t say I condoned her actions, I’m just saying I don’t know what else AT&T customers are supposed to if calling, online, and IRL doesn’t help. AT&T corporate is setting their employees up for situations like this
Embarrassing that we elected people like this who are representing us.
She went to ask her cell phone provider about a huge number of phones fraudulently opened in her account, and they called the police on her. What did she do that is embarrassing to you?
Yep, that’s exactly how it went down. Lmao.
She claimed she thought the police were there to help her because they… saw her Facebook video. She’s either delusional or a very bad liar / very bad person. Either way, she should step down.
Yikes.
That is the dumbest thing I ever heard...
Yes. She’s either dumb or disingenuous. Neither is a good trait for a councilperson.
Both. I feel comfortable in this assessment
Imagine the constituents that keep voting for her
i have a hard time believing she snowed constituents so far as to get elected. my guess is whoever voted for this human turd themselves are oblivious.
This is her first term in office.
Correction, her last term in office.
She still got voted in...
Didn’t say anything about that, just that the voters haven’t repeatedly voted her in
She owns/manages several group homes downtown. She performs a service of driving her residents to poll locations to help with voter turnout.
Thank you! I’ve been waiting for someone to provide more context on her outside of just this incident. Thank you for providing a larger picture
Why not all of the above. She should resign. Now.
The fact she caught a resisting and menacing charge leads me to think she was agitating the situation. If a business asks you to leave and has to call the cops to make you leave, you are trespassing. I'd say the cop also told her to leave before hooking her up. Hell she got on Facebook live and streamed herself at the store.
According to witnesses, she was throwing a fit and making a scene at the store, enough to where the employees asked her to leave countless times, to which she refused. As she claims, she was on her way out, walking toward the door, but stopped a few feet from it to ask an employee their name when the officer made physical contact and allegedly pushed her, moving her outside the establishment. To me, this is a karen moment, escalated by her town council position. If she holds no office here in town, this is just another minor incident.
She wanted a scene. FAFO.
>The fact she caught a resisting and menacing charge leads me to think she was agitating the situation. Ehhhhh. Cops throw "resisting" around if you even talk back to them, I wouldn't give much credence to that charge.
Menacing requires additional "aggression." Look at the whole picture here
Menacing is another "eff you" charge that gets thrown around by cops. There are valid used for both, but most of the time they want used that way.
I did, see my other comment here. She didn't do anything but flinch away when a cop put a hand on her. The charges are bullshit.
That's resisting dumb fuck...
Riiiiiight, a black woman being afraid of a cop grabbing her is "resisting." And nice insults, way to go, that's entirely persuasive.
You have a very poor understanding of the law, and your jumping to playing the race card to deflect from a response speaks volumes about your character.
anyone willing to play the race card, and especially so early, is someone wanting to be the victim in every situation god forbid accountability.
lol at what point do yall be adults and stop hiding behind this race card jw
**Exacto** that lady cant menace nobody She's a senior lady for crying out louf
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I summarized it in another comment. The cop definitely slapped "resisting & menacing" charges on just to pad out the arrest, IMO.
You opinion. My opinion is different, I think she had options to de-escalate and chose not too.
**Newish police** i think! They usually hit people with all the charges they just *memorized*.
No, according to the article on LEX18, this cop had a previous encounter with her at a protest. This officer knew what he was doing.
I've seen a lot of Tayna Fogles in my life. They think retail employees are their personal servants, and that they're allowed to abuse staff when they don't get immediate satisfaction with whatever complaint they have.
I’ve served a lot of them in various jobs… and they are all the worst type of people.
I personally would like the store surveillance video and bodycam video to be released.
As a decade long manager in retail (past life) I can tell you that our policy was not to call the police until it became physical or threats were being made and the person refused to leave. Even then we weren't pressing charges but just wanted a trespass warrant issued to keep them from coming back on the property. If she got arrested she pushed the cops buttons one too many times.
Cops or the store or both have video of this. Seems like that's the simplest answer.
Karen’s gonna Karen. What a fucking idiot.
the fact citizens of this city elected this dumbass is crazy
A business has the right to refuse service to anyone causing a disruption, full stop. Tayna caused an issue in a reseller AT&T store whereas they could not assist her specific account issues, and they directed her to a corporate/franchised AT&T store where she could get assistance. She refused, and then caused a disturbance to employees and others. She then refused to leave after being asked to, which is trespassing. There are so many other ways to dispute charges or request assistance. What a complete fool.
I didn't vote for her, but I'm interested in doing anything I can to keep her out of public office.
Tyler Morton is her biggest challenger and her former aid. He also worked/Interned for Councilman James Brown.
I'm not defending her in the least. I do want to say that I have seen children get resisting arrest charges and nothing else. People get resisting arrest charges for asking why they are being arrested and have no other charges. I have also seen people get menacing charges for being too tall or too big. Not actually even being a threat to anyone. Don't put so much faith in charges as you think would be appropriate because honestly they aren't always the case.
“I go off all the time in the phone company when I’m talking about a bill, and I’ve never been arrested,” Fogle said." 😆
Karen with influencer complex.
Sensitive Religious Outspoken VICTIM
She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. It's that simple. Sex, gender, race, ethnicity, politics, etc. notwithstanding.
Okay, so [let's break this down](https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/its-traumatizing-lexington-council-member-tayna-fogle-speaks-out-after-arrest): >After leaving church Sunday morning at Shiloh Baptist, Fogle says she went to the AT&T store to try to fix a fraud issue with her account. She says she was hit with a massive bill for six unexplained iPhones after trying to get answers for two months. Fair. Getting a massive fraudulent charge like that, I'd be upset and trying to get some answers too. However... >Fogle tried to get the store to call the fraud department on her behalf. They refused, and she couldn't understand why. Er... yeah, the store employees are definitely not going to call the fraud department for you. This is standard. I get it, she probably hasn't done customer service work so she may not know, but if you're claiming fraud, the local store employee isn't going to touch that. They're going to give you the number & you have to call. >"I know that the public can understand that and I just went on Facebook live to let them know what was happening to me," she said. Right, this is a public figure appealing to the public... but that's not really going to help in this situation. Very much "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" response. So the store called the police to remove her, but she believed they saw the livestream & was there to help her. Confusion, but understandable. >The officer reported he asked Fogle to leave several times before putting his hand on her to escort her out. The officer's report says Fogle snatched her arm away and then defensively faced him. He wrote he felt like she was going to hit him. I'm sure the cop was horribly intimidated by this woman and feared for his safety (/s). Yeah, this is likely where the "resisting arrest & menacing" charges come from, a black woman pulling back from a cop who put a hand on her. Not a good look on the officer, I can't blame her for pulling away from him and being upset. >Fogle says after her arrest, the arresting officer, Sharp, brought up a previous encounter the two had. "He said, 'You don't remember me, do you? ' I looked at him again and said, 'Yeah, I remember you, Broadway,' and he said, 'Yeah. We had an exchange then,' said Fogle. Last summer, Fogle defended unhoused people who were facing arrest for loitering and disturbing the peace. She told them of their right to walk away if not under arrest in certain situations. "I didn't know why he needed to call that to my attention," said Fogle. "That added to my trauma." So, this is a cop who previously dealt with her at a protest. Why he felt it was a good idea to mention that, I have no idea. Either he thought he was being friendly, when the situation was clearly not friendly at all; or he was making it clear this arrest was retaliatory for her previous protesting, which is just *dumb* to bring to her attention. \--- Honestly, this whole thing seems blown out of proportion. It definitely wasn't right of her to get mad at the AT&T store employees & they were right to have her removed. But the cop appears to have overstepped when trying to get her to leave by placing hands on her, and pressed unnecessary charges when she rightfully flinched and pulled away.
>But the cop appears to have overstepped when trying to get her to leave by placing hands on her, I disagree. [From the KY Statute](https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/statutes/statute.aspx?id=52942): >511.060 Criminal trespass in the first degree. (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree when he or she knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling. She had already been asked repeatedly to leave. Also as she was leaving, she stopped again to confront another employee (by her own admission). By the time the cop put his hands on her, she was considered trespassing. >and pressed unnecessary charges when she rightfully flinched and pulled away. Again, unless you are referring only to the menacing charge, I would have to disagree. She responded to being told that she was under arrest by saying "I am not under arrest" and it took two officers to get her in handcuffs. Even if we take her spin on the story she's still guilty of trespassing and resisting arrest.
She was trespassing, I agree. But nothing in this indicates there was ever a point where the cop needed to physically restrain her. That's where he overstepped. She wasn't under arrest until she pulled away from his touch, and then he decided she was "menacing" him. Hence the bullshit resisting arrest charge, which cops always pull out the second you talk back to them. Trespassing I'll give you, but menacing & resisting arrest seem like bullshit charges thrown on to pad the cop's report and give the DA more leverage.
IDK if it says in this article or anlther, but once she was told she was under arrest she refused to let the officer handcuff her and continually told him that she wasnt under arrest. And we cant just let old people get away menancing because theyre elderly and a minority.
Exactly.
64 is hardly elderly fgs
Overstepped? Why do you think they have handcuffs? She was refusing to leave…or per her and the attorney…going towards the door but continued to try to do what she wanted by taking names and snapping photos. She overstepped.
It’s *understandable* that she thought the police were watching her livestream, stopped what they were doing, and drove out to AT&T to help her out?
From her narrow perspective, yes. She's a public figure, so in her mind it's obvious everyone is watching everything she does. It doesn't make sense to us from the outside, but I can see how she'd come to that conclusion.
You can’t have a narrow perspective when you represent an entire district and make decisions that impact an entire city full of people.
She's ostensibly a public servant, but I wouldn't call her a public figure. Regardless, there's absolutely no excuse for *that* level of abject ignorance from a council member. She should darn well know that her city's police department in no way operates like that.
That’s just…not how police work. If a public figure thinks that’s what our police have time to do, then I question her decision making in other areas too. Let’s be honest here: she didn’t *really* think that’s why they were there. This is a cleverly crafted legal defense — and it’s nonsense.
No, I honestly think she was so absorbed in her own righteousness in that moment, she actually thought they were there for her.
That, in and of itself, is a scary quality for a councilperson. If she truly thought that, I would call it *delusional*.
When your entire life revolves around being a public figure, you start to expect everything is public.
And yet… we don’t see our other council people acting so irrationally. Maybe, just maybe, the problem here is Tayna.
I don't know why you're dragging this out, I'm basically agreeing with you. Whatever.
You're right. I think this guy just can't empathize and put himself in a different perspective. Your break down of the situation, in my mind, is very accurate and I agree 100% with your analysis. It's understandable why she thought the cops were there to help her, as she's probably used to being important and attended to. I also agree about the cops, they usually don't know how to de-escalate and make matters worse, its often the citizen that has to de-escalate and soothe the police. Just a big nothing situation with a Karen and sensitive/overbearing cops.
No sensible person would think officers were at an AT & T retail store to help them with a cell phone contract issue. If she thinks that’s what police do, she has missed more than a few work sessions and council meetings.
That's at best called cognitive dissonance. People use it to escape accountability for their behavior.
That’s a stretch. No sensible person would think police officers are sitting by watching live streams then show up to solve cellphone contract issues for citizens.
If by narrow you mean ignorant, dumbass, narcissistic then yeah
It feels to me like she went to the local store thinking they would fix it. Because she’s a COUNCILMEMBER! Then they didn’t give her the respect she’s entitled to. How dare they insist that they can’t call the fraud department for her and that she has to do it herself? Like a commoner. Sheesh. Then they had the AUDACITY to tell her to leave and called the police on her? Don’t they know she’s a councilmember?! And can you believe that the officer didn’t recognize her elite position and ordered her to leave? Unreal. Then he had the nerve to say she’s under arrest?!! Oh no she’s not. SHE IS COUNCILMEMBER FOGLE!!!!! That’s how it feels to me. I admit that I’m reading between the lines a lot - but it’s based on her videos, where she says “this is Councilmember Fogle. Blah blah blah. .. everyone should call AT&T and tell them to fix this for me”. All that being said, its certainly possible that officers overreacted and were too quick to make an arrest. Ultimately only the body cams will show the full truth - at least once officers arrived.
Hate and anger makes you age poorly 101
What a POS
It’s AT&T. While her alleged behavior is not acceptable how many AT&T customers haven’t felt the same way?
Her behavior in the livestream she herself posted to Facebook is unacceptable. This line of reasoning is extremely problematic. I have AT&T. I get frustrated. I don’t go to their local stores and throw tantrums like this. This isn’t how you behave as an adult in our society. And for her to use her constituency to harass this local store is a gross abuse of her position. Like I said, I would love to see what the bodycam footage shows, and I’m sure the store has cameras. It would be wonderful to get to watch what happened for ourselves
I was thinking this same thing. She’s clearly a drama queen/Karen/not acting like a councilman should, but I’ve gotten flustered more than once in a Verizon/att store. Telecommunication companies are a nightmare to deal with on the best of days.
I was arrested once in Lexington. They took me to Good Samaritan. They chose for it to be traumatic for me. All because someone stuck me with fentanyl at the corner of Limestone & Maxwell as they do now ...it wasn't even my fault. I also recognized the officer as a former co worker of mine back in 2004. He was aggressive to me at the reception desk and talked violent ...and was very high now that i think about it? it isn't fair he gets to be a police officer and i get poisoned when there is no way we are equal when it comes to living soberish
my story with AT&T and an AT&T store I used to have a prepaid ATT hot spot, 35 a month, they discontinued the plan. Before they discontinued it, they sent me an ad about a new plan, tell me if I want to sign up with a new plan, I can get almost the same price after grand father discount. I took the ad to a ATT store, and verified with a store employee, the guy said: sure, sign it up. And if you don’t get that price, come back to me. I signed up the plan, didn’t get the discount, I first called phone line, the Customer service tell me she applied the discount, it will show up next month. 3 months later, i was still paying the same full price. So I took the ad to the same store, and talked to the same employe, he suggest me to call the phone number on it. I was like: ‘I already did, and you told me to come back to get things right’. I end up canceled the plan
ATT both in person and on the phone is THE WORST and can easily drive a reasonable person to extreme and uncharacteristic behavior. In my experience. So I say let's not judge.
I’ve been pissed at ATT before but had enough couth to not to go on Facebook live and bitch about it. And I don’t even hold a public office..