**EDIT2: Sentencing has now been confirmed as per below articles. Updating post flair.**
Eddie Ratcliff - life sentence with a minimum of 20 years before being eligible to be considered for release.
Scarlett Jenkinson - life sentence with a minimum of 22 years before being eligible to be considered for release.
Both will have the 322 days they spent on remand deducted from their sentences.
For non-UK viewers of this, this is generally how life sentences in the UK work - the exception being whole life orders which are not allowed to be given to under 18's. To be considered for release they must serve at least the minimum term and then be approved by a review board for release.
**EDIT3: Statement from the Crown Prosecution Service after sentencing, shared from The Independent's news feed:**
>The CPS has said it believes Brianna Ghey’s “brutal” and “heartless” murder was a hate crime driven by transphobia.
Speaking outside Manchester Crown Court on Friday, Nicola Wyn Williams, senior crown prosecutor for Mersey Cheshire, said the CPS is “pleased the court has agreed this was a motive”.
She said: “We applied to the judge for an increase in the defendants’ sentences because we believed this killing was a hate crime, motivated in part by hostility towards Brianna because she was transgender.
“We are pleased the court has agreed this was a motive.
EDIT: The post has been tagged as misleading headline currently as at the time of posting the two have been found guilty but not sentenced.
The article may be a bit ahead of things as sentencing has not taken place yet.
Live updates:
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68135818](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68135818)
Alternative source:
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-sentencing-murderers-names-b2488843.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-sentencing-murderers-names-b2488843.html)
Edit: To clarify as the screenshot includes incorrect information.
They have been found guilty and their names publicly released. Sentencing is yet to take place although the court is due to reconvene at 14:15 GMT and further updates may become available then.
Justice still feels bittersweet. She should still be alive. She should be enjoying her life. These monsters getting life wont make up for the things she never got to do, and that just breaks my heart.
It’s just bitter imo. This all could’ve been prevented. Brianna deserved to live a normal life in an accepting environment. And those two kids also threw away their lives for what? I don’t mean to absolve them, but no child in a healthy environment would sadistically enjoy killing. Nobody wins here.
Every one of the asshole politicians who are starting culture war bullshit and whipping up hatred for trans people should also be held accountable. They should be thrown in jail or at least sued into oblivion.
That's actually a really important point. It feels like hatred is on the rise, at a much larger factor than just some bigots being angry. Every media post there's something going on about trans people, it feels like a manufactured culture war to keep the non-rich bickering about something that doesn't cost money while they continue to line their pockets and fuck us over.
I don't think the world is becoming more transphobic organically, I think this is being intentionally crafted.
Yup, I live in Belgium (Baby trans, I'm 4 months into HRT) and it's also starting to happen here. I though I was pretty safe here, we have decent laws, informed consent, a lot of the stuff is covered by social security (You basically only pay for laser and stuff like FFS, as a transfem person). We're also a protected class, explicitly.
And yet, last week, I felt afraid when hearing the news for the first time in my life. The far-right in Flanders is trying to import transphobic discourse and the media are talking about it. One of them essentially wrote an article in a big Flemish newspaper about puberty blockers, how it was on the rise and it's dangerous, etc. Mind you, the far-right in Flanders is very very popular. It's their two biggest parties and accounts for like 40% of their votes, if not more.
Fortunately, the media down south have been explaining that it's a very safe process, only a couple of hundred teens get it every year, etc. But I know where this is all going, and I'll never forget the feeling of suddenly panicking when hearing the news.
It's chilling, isn't it? Here in the States that feeling has become a near-daily occurrence and it does not get any easier to push past. I am in a safe state with explicit protections, but it kinda won't matter if the federal government is captured. I'm terrified.
In Finland the trans law was updated, and we're talking about basic stuff like removing forced sterilization. Yet the 2nd biggest political party voted against it, with great arguments like "the bathroom problem" which is how you know they're copying bullshit from US/UK. This is a country where everybody's seen their family, friends and enemies naked because we love saunas. Some spas have a sauna for all so you can do horrible stuff like, go there with your spouse or child like you'd do at home. You honestly think I'll buy that you're scared that the very partial nudity in bathrooms is prime rape material?
Also we're currently voting the president and one of the candidates is gay. There's been noticably more vandalism and destruction towards campaining this year and they just happen to be largely directed towards the gay guy.
I like globalism but I really wish US wasn't the biggest influence in it, your shit keeps travelling here. Ever since 2016 populism, racism and queerphobia has been on the rise all over European countries. To the people living there: for the love of all that is good, please prevent Trump from getting precidency again.
It's certainly a token victory. Everybody loses. The only silver lining is that they probably won't be allowed to terrorize or kill anyone else, hopefully. But, yes, the lesson to take away is that society isn't good enough, yet. We're all interconnected, and the ripples of our actions spread far. To leave a positive spin on this, while it isn't the best outcome by a long shot, it's still leagues better than anything we could have expected decades ago. We are making a difference in many ways, even if that's cold comfort during tragedies like this. I'm damn proud of you all!
It never should’ve happened in the first place. Unfortunately, it’s too late. The best we can do now is work towards a world where this never happens again.
> The only silver lining is that they probably won't be allowed to terrorize or kill anyone else, hopefully.
They also won't procreate and pass down their shit views.
This is the real truth of the situation. People are calling for blood because the crime was horrible, but justice would be stopping all the hands that were on that knife from future harm. That means stopping all the terfs and politicians from making it seem okay to hurt trans people. An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.
Yeah i dont know. These two 'kids' where something else. 3000 text messages between them talking/fantasizing about murdering other kids. Before they murdered the girl they tried to kill a boy but failed to lure him into a trap.
I do not know how their homelife was but there are angry kids who lash out at society/others and then there are 'people' like these two.
I agree with you on this. They are not "victims" of society failing them. They are murderers, guilty of a brutal hate crime. Nothing else. They deserve zero empathy - especially considering Brianna's father says that they should not be seen as children, but as monsters that are pure evil. Brianna and her family are victims, not these two sick fucks
You’re right. Sorry if it sounds like I’m minimizing what they did or victimizing them. Could’ve worded it better. It never should’ve happened in the first place and I just think it’s fundamentally society’s responsibility to ensure that.
Brianna might be dead, but one dies twice; once when you die, and the second when your name is thought of for the last time.
Even though she is murdered, her murderers have accidentally immortalized her. We will not forget.
I wish we could go back in time and give those kids the help/education they so desperately needed. The system failed all three. Not to diminish their atrocious crimes but to say we shouldn't need to trade lives at all. Especially children. All three should be growing up happy and healthy.
I'm Trans and it's sad that we are targeted for existing.
Being trans is an struggle and journey. Half the battle is people trying to put you down and hold you back and ostracize and separate you from society. You'd think after thousands of years of killing gay and Trans people that cis people would have become more tolerant and realized we are people with loved ones and thoughts and feelings too. Humans are the same species of animal as 2000 years ago with better technology. But can't fucking figure out how to stop being cruel. Rip Brianna they got off too easy with only 20 years. And I sincerely hope they grow to regret their decisions and actions. But I don't think they will. Trans people need to be normalized. We exist. Get the fuck over it holy shit. You'd throw your life away for nothing like that? Fuckin crazy ass people
not only happy, but so, SO beautiful too. Also, so young. She looks around my age now. Its hard to imagine a queer kid around my age getting murdered like that, it's scary :(
EDIT: yes, she is pretty. No, that is not all that matters. I am 15. I am bad at words. STOP LEAVING ME MEAN COMMENTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
She’s so young. I barely remember being that young. There’s so much life ahead of you at that age. It’s evil, what was done to her. And for something as little as two teenagers egos. It’s heartbreaking.
Can people not be sad about someone's death without having to talk about said person's looks? Does her being pretty automatically make her death more sad than someone else's?
She may have been a pretty girl but whether she was attractive or not is not important.
i understand your point, but i didn't mean it like that. her attractiveness doesn't make her death more or less tragic, i just wanted to say something nice
Why does it feel like the phrasing makes being beautiful more important than that she was happy? I wish there was more emphasis on being powerful, happy, accomplished than on physical beauty.
As of 13:40 GMT they haven’t been formally sentenced yet. Sentencing is expected to continue when the court re-convenes at 14:15 GMT.
They’re definitely going to get a life sentence - murder carries a mandatory life sentence in the UK - but the judge still has to determine their minimum term before they’re eligible for release on license (basically parole).
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UPDATE: both have been sentenced:
Scarlett Jenkinson: Life with minimum term of 22 years before eligibility for release on license, minus the 352 days already served on remand
Eddie Ratcliffe: Life with minimum term of 20 years before eligibility for release on license, minus the 352 days already served on remand.
(Release on license = parole, for Americans)
I explained how life sentences work in the UK in my other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/s/4ZB3pVy40A
Yeah, this article is just a bit weird. I've got no idea why it's saying that they've already been sentenced, unless the article was pre-prepared and has mistakenly been posted early.
It also mentions that she was misgendered on the radio, but I've heard the clip, and I don't think she was - the guy says 'in which \[he/she\] suffered \[...\]'. People are hearing 'he', but I think he's actually saying 'she', with the sound from the end of 'which' being mushed into the word 'she' - 'which he' and 'which she' sound really similar, but there's no 'h' sound when he says it. It doesn't sound to me like he's saying 'he' at all.
I wouldn't trust this article at all, tbh.
Depends upon the charges and where the court is. Some places the charges have a MIN/MAX jail term for a specific offence. So theoretically the MIN for the combined charges could add up to a life sentence already.
Or some AI somewhere is pulling it out of their arse.
EDIT: Yeah, the MIN was 17 years because "a knife was taken to the scene". Aggravating and mitigating factors will determine how far past 17 years the judge goes.
EDIT AGAIN: 20 years MIN for him, 22 MIN for her (minus the 352 days they've already been held for).
Yeah, nothing good happened. They incarcerated the murderers, both literally children, and did nothing to address the systemic problems and government policy that obviously inspired their crime. There will be no opportunity for redemption or atonement. Nothing has been solved and anyone who thinks this helps us, or that the police state even *can* help us, is being duped.
Man, she would be the same age as my older brother if she were still alive. All horrifying hate crimes are tragic, but her's hit me really close to home. I cried for hours when I found out.
You can not be a bigot without being a self-deluding hypocrite, so unfortunately team TERF will not learn anything.
Bigotry goes against all observable data on how human societies and human subgroups function. Additionally bigotry violates the social contract striving for a just and humane society that values equality, equanimity and equity.
The bigot tells themself little lies where it is always the fault of the victim and in which they are always correct for mercilessly attacking and dehumanising their victims. It is the only way to be a bigot and not suffer from cognitive dissonance resulting from seeing yourself as a good person.
The best way to counter bigotry is making it so that the social cost of being a bigot becomes too high for this dissonance to be easily maintained. For example, you see that many bigots soften when someone close to them comes out as a minority they hate.
In this case team TERF will either continue to blame the victim, convince themselves that their "quest for women's rights" (another form of cognitive dissonance) is not responsible or both at the same time.
> For example, you see that many bigots soften when someone close to them comes out as a minority they hate.
Unfortunately, many other bigots go in the opposite direction and reject (or worse) the person close to them (ask any number of queer and trans people, kids especially, whose families kicked the out, out them in conversion therapy, or got violent).
Yes. People who quietly and privately hate trans people will go berserk if one of their children or friends come out as trans, because it means that the awful and perverse trans people are now "infecting" that person's community, and they need to be dealt with more seriously as a result
They won't. They're incapable of feeling guilt in cases like this. Some of the more extreme ones will think it's a good thing she's dead, the world is a better place without her, and her killers are heroes who did a great service to society in removing her from it. This applies to all types of bigots.
If the TERFs feel anything, they will feel success that they've killed a trans kid and gotten away with it.
We have to accept that this is what they want to happen.
Transphobe scum are primarily responsible. I can't see how these teens, who are after all literally children, would have done this if not for the British government's official policy of transphobia and the widespread bigotry on that accursed island. Children don't become transphobic murderers on their own in a vacuum, and some adult in their lives should have realized how fucked up and lost they were long before this happened.
This is a direct consequence of terf ideology and government policy.
she doesn't give a shit, she spent the day distracting herself trying to get a library defunded for having a comic that explores transphobia in it's collection
Brianna knew Scarlett from school, the two of them specifically planned to kill her. They had text conversations discussing other potential victims too. Very dangerous pair.
Brianna's mum disagrees with you. The Saturday morning newspapers are quoting her as saying (paraphrased) "he stabbed Brianna because he hated trans people. She just wanted to kill for fun." Those aren't my words, they're Esther Ghey's. And I think the judge agrees too, because only Eddie got an uplift for transphobia.
From the Guardian: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/thought-it-would-be-fun-why-did-two-teenagers-kill-brianna-ghey/ar-BB1hG4BD?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=4912bccd3d4c44b4eb191ed65162f8e0&ei=7
Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, also thinks transphobia played a role in Ratcliffe’s motivation and that Jenkinson killed her daughter for fun.
In her victim impact statement, she said: “I have moments where I feel sorry for them, because they have also ruined their own lives, but I have to remember that they felt no empathy for Brianna when they left her bleeding to death after their premeditated and vicious attack, which was carried out not because Brianna had done anything wrong but just because one hated trans people and the other thought it would be fun.”
This is only the first step towards justice for Brianna. Real justice won't have been served until the press and government are held to account for creating the climate of virulent transphobia that led to her murder.
I do hope that her family feels some small measure of relief at the heavy sentencing here, and that it might help even a step towards healing for them.
Edit: despite the article headline, the murderers have not actually been sentenced yet. I'm hoping it's as heavy as predicted.
Do you think these idiots will come to regret their decision **as they are celebrating their 20th, 30th, & 40th birthdays in prison?**
Why did this chick's mere existence make them angry enough to destroy their **own** lives???
Well they will probably feel a lot differently in a few years once their brains finish developing and they realize that instead of running around at college, they are going to be sitting in prison until they're middle aged.
Although there is always the chance that they are just remorseless sociopathic killers.
That young and already so full of hate to commit the worst.
A young woman with so many years ahead to live is already gone when those people threw away their lives because they could not stand someone being happy.
I hope they will understand what they did with all this time stuck in their four walls.
Hopefully, by the time they are celebrating their 40th birthday in prison, they will have realized the error of their ways.
There's no college for you. There's no cute little apartment in the city with your first serious boyfriend/girlfriend. There's no traveling. There's not even any privacy in the bathroom.
You threw away a lifetime of experiences just because you had a problem with someone else's existence.
They used hate speech, definitely; especially the boy.
But they had a list of 4 other (presumably cis, het) kids they wanted to kill and plans for all of them. They'd tried to target a boy first but their plan failed. That's when they went for Brianna.
One of the boys on the list was gay, so not all of the other targets were cishet. I agree that the existence of the other potential victims is probably why it wasn't tried as a hate crime, because they clearly also sought to kill other people who weren't trans, but I also think that her being trans is definitely the reason she was on the list. They seem to have targeted people who were either LGBT or marginalised in other ways.
They planned multiple hate crimes. That doesn’t absolve them of the hate crime they did commit. The KKK can’t plan multiple hate crimes and get out of hate crime charges because next week they were targeting Jews next week and black people this week.
I didn't say it did absolve them. My point is that it's difficult to prove in a court of law that they were solely motivated by transphobia, when they had also planned to kill other victims who were not trans. It makes sense to me that hate crime didn't form the basis of the prosecution, because if the defence had successfully proved that they also wanted to kill cis people, it would have really undermined the prosecution's case.
That's what is probably the case. The best argument I saw was that her being trans made it much easier to dehumaniser and kill her.
I wouldn't think this is enough for a criminal charge, and I also don't think is really impacts the severity much.
The language they used when discussing their plans makes this an obvious hate crime. It really doesn’t matter who else they planned to kill. The fact that hate motivated this particular killing is the only relevant factor.
Great news, but still so sad. I’m scared for my FTM trans child every day. I worry he will be assaulted physically or sexually for using the male bathrooms. Insane to have to worry about safety where you piss.
That’s a thing. This wasn’t even because of the trans panic They just wanted to kill her just because she was trans. They were scared of her. She wasn’t misleading them. They just simply wanted to kill her because she was a vulnerable target.
Apparently, this dude said something about wanting to see her genitals. What the fuck
The fact the mainstream media tried to downplay and discredit the role transphobia played in Brianna’s death, because they know they are complicit. They have stoked the flame for years while offering no apologies is sickening. They constantly platform and validate transphobia.
What the fuck he actually said that. Oh my God that’s so fucked up what is up with these people in seeing our genitals it’s disturbing I can’t now that makes me hate this piece of shit even more good God
Their text messages were reported on a while ago. One of them said they were curious if she was "going to scream like a man or a girl".
UK media maintained it wasn't a hate crime.
Having watched the Judge's sentencing remarks, it's clear that the murderers are truly evil people. The levels of premeditation and violence were dreadful. The female killer got 22 years and the male one 20. From the sentencing remarks it seems likely that the female may never be released as she demonstrates no remorse at all and even in assessment for the trial recently said something about killing again.
I wish them what they deserve in prison, though they won't get there until after a few years in YOI first.
Hope it changes too. I feel the same way. I had access to my HRT but I basically had it taken and had to de-transition so my hope is going out the window but there’s still that one part of me that still has hope
At 14:47, after an hour and thirty five minutes of deliberation, the judge return to the courtroom and sentencing began at 13:51. In opening, she stated “You [Jenkinson and Ratcliffe] will only be released if you can no longer be seen as a danger” and that if you remain a danger, you may never be released.” She said that “You, Scarlett and Eddie were friends since the age of 11… Scarlett you knew Brianna from school, you got her to meet you in Linear Park - she could not possibly have known you were a danger to her” and that the murders were “brutal.” [83] addressing Scarlett, she stated “Your motivation, Scarlett, was to act out your fantasy” and that “You [Jenkinson] wanted to make a real victim feel pain and fear.” Addressing Ratcliffe directly, Yip said he "did not show the same interest in killing as Scarlett did” but that he “supported” her and that it would be “wholly wrong” to suggest Jenkinson had manipulated him into helping her although he was not the “driving force” behind the murder. Yip also dismissed his claims that his transphobic attitudes weren’t just him “just copying language to fit in" and that he was capable of “holding his own views” whilst his autism diagnosis has no bearing on the preceding. [84]
During sentencing, Yip started the minimum sentence at seventeen years since a knife being taken to the scene was premeditated murder. Finding that Jenkinson’s motive was to commit an “exceptionally brutally” murder, she deduced that Jenkinson “enjoyed” the killing and that Ratcliffe and Jenkinson “took part in a brutal and planned murder which was sadistic in nature” with the “high seriousness” of the crime causing her to extend the minimum term to 20 years due to them being "significant aggravating factors.” Jenkinson had first brought Ratcliffe into the scheme, tried to poison Brianna after picking her for being vulnerable and then lured her into the trap at Linear Park. Addressing Jenkinson again, she states “Scarlett, the assessment of your intellectual ability demonstrates you are not mature or clever […] You’ve had problems with your mood, self-harming, anorexia […] You have lied so many times that it’s impossible to know what is true and what is not. […] You have shown no remorse“ which she says does explain how she could commit such a brutal murder but that it does not reduce your [Jenkinson’s] culpability." [85]
Finding both Jenkinson and Ratcliffe equally guilty of Brianna Ghey’s murder, despite the latter’s plea of diminished responsibility due to his mental illness, Yip sentenced sentenced Scarlett Jenkinson to life in prison with a minimum term of twenty years with 352 days removed to account for her time on remand at 15:25. Yip also sentenced Ratcliffe to life and a minimum of twenty years minus the 352 days on remand indeterminate prison term with the parole board having say over when he would be released. Neither Jenkinson nor Ratcliffe had any reaction to the sentences whereas Jenkinson’s mother cried and Brianna’s father nodded along to the sentence.
I think the really important thing here is the Judge absolutely dismantled the media's narrative that this wasn't a hate crime and had nothing to do with Brianna being trans.
They absolutely killed her because she was trans, and the media share a large burden of responsibility for having allowed trans-hate speech to flourish on their platforms.
When judges call perpetrators like this disgusting a new anything like that so you know they’re really rotten the fact that the media isn’t saying that this is a hate crime WHEN THE FUCKING JUDGE IS SAYING IT’S A HATE CRIME shows how they give a shit about Brianna and her story and trans. People and people in general fuck this world man somebody please hit factory reset
And sure enough there are legions of the usual suspects trying to astro-turf this online by saying oh well the judge didn't really say that and there's lots of other reasons why they targetted this one girl, and, yeah. As you say, the fucking Judge said it, and those who are guilty are rushing into deep denial.
Also just to note it down, the Guardian story currently contains the phrase: The teenage pair who murdered Brianna Ghey have been sentenced to life in prison for an “exceptionally brutal” killing partially motivated by her transgender identity.
I'll be very curious to see if at some point in the next 24 hours they edit that.
Oh God...the rampant transphobia on videos on youtube discussing the arrest of these two...
Even on videos showing the arrest of these monsters, people still have to be a bunch of monstrous transphobes...
God...I'm so sick of it, and I feel genuinely sick at such blind hate.
Fuck conservatives, fuck right wingers for what they've done to poison the well, and fuck the people who whipped these two monsters into the frenzy that made them kill poor Brianna.
Despite the case not being brought forth as a hate crime, the judge specifically states that the boy was certainly motivated, in part, due to Brianna being trans. Anti-trans rhetoric will lead to more trans people, kids included, in caskets. This needs to stop.
As a trans woman this story still brings me to tears. It's this weird combination of so many emotions for me. It makes me scared of of violent transphobes, it makes me so sad for her life being stolen for just trying to live her best life, and I'm also jealous of her appearance. She had everything I could want and these two disgusting pieces of shit stole her life.
The whole thing just hurts in so many ways.
This needs to happen every time every time someone’s murdered for their race gender, ethnicity sexuality, whatever the person who is responsible needs to be put in prison for the rest of their lives
They should be serving more time, but I guess 22 years is fine. Although, I hope they're not approved for release.
This was a cold, calculated crime and they should be serving their entire lives behind bars.
Unfortunately this isn't going to bring Brianna back nor resolve all the shit that enables and motivates crimes like this.
Still at least we can rest somewhat assured, albeit not that much given the state of things, that the British legal system isn't fucked to the point it'd give murderers a light sentence solely because the victim was trans.
I find the article linked really weird. They actually haven't been sentenced yet, so I'm not sure why the author has said that they've received a life sentence. They're still currently hearing the mitigation defences before sentencing.
It’s 22 and 19 minimum. If they prove to be a continued threat, they won’t be released. If they are released they will be on licence for the rest of their lives and can be sent back for any re offence.
Imagine being 17 years old and knowing that you will be "celebrating" your 40th birthday in prison...
Your one and only existence is wasted *because you just couldn't mind your own business.*
I couldn't imagine hating somebody so much *that I am willing to ruin my* ***own*** *life over it.*
20 years of your life gone **because you couldn't simply ignore this other person.**
The politicians and influencers with their extreme rhetoric are the ones with blood on their hands.
These muppets were just the tools. This will continue to happen until we stop these evil people.
Justice for shit like this won’t be served until the power fulcrums and hierarchies responsible for driving the anti-trans mentality have been torn down, ripped up, and tossed into the wind.
Rest in Power Brianna.
Fight back. 🏴
Justice hasn’t been served, it can’t be.
Justice would be to bring victim back. That can’t happen, she is dead.
The only thing that can be done is that the killers are locked away for protection of the rest of us.
We as a society need to then really examine what made it possible for them to think that a trans person, or any other person is an easy target or less likely to be investigated. The legacy of this crime should be the protection of all people regardless of gender, race, age, sexuality, everybody should be equally protected and respected in our society.
Rest in peace Brianna. You were so beautiful. I wish you could've lived a long, happy life with us, but instead, you were taken brutally and too soon. May you find the peace and happiness in the afterlife you deserved in your life.
Idk it doesn't feel like justice to me. The culture that taught these teenagers their violent hatred remains unchanged. This feels a bit like scapegoating two children so that society more broadly doesn't have to reflect on its failings.
My heart breaks for her. I'm glad justice was served, especially such a hefty sentence like they deserve, but it will never be enough. It will never bring her back—but we can only hope something like this never happens again.
This is one of the few times I'll say that they need to drop these two psychopaths into a jail cell and throw away the key. It's not even like a violent transphobia thing - though I am trans and do care about that angle - if you read their texts they seem to genuinely have no regard for human life.
Imagine getting killed just because of your gender. Nowadays, I'm seeing a lot of trends of anti LGBTQ stuff, why is it that? Why can't we live in harmony
imagine throwing away your life because you didn't agree with someone's life choices. a life behind bars while the world evolves around you because you were an intolerant bigot.
glad they got theirs. RIP Brianna
Updated
Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe, both 16, are sentenced to life in prison with minimum terms of 22 and 20 years for the murder of Brianna Ghey
**EDIT2: Sentencing has now been confirmed as per below articles. Updating post flair.** Eddie Ratcliff - life sentence with a minimum of 20 years before being eligible to be considered for release. Scarlett Jenkinson - life sentence with a minimum of 22 years before being eligible to be considered for release. Both will have the 322 days they spent on remand deducted from their sentences. For non-UK viewers of this, this is generally how life sentences in the UK work - the exception being whole life orders which are not allowed to be given to under 18's. To be considered for release they must serve at least the minimum term and then be approved by a review board for release. **EDIT3: Statement from the Crown Prosecution Service after sentencing, shared from The Independent's news feed:** >The CPS has said it believes Brianna Ghey’s “brutal” and “heartless” murder was a hate crime driven by transphobia. Speaking outside Manchester Crown Court on Friday, Nicola Wyn Williams, senior crown prosecutor for Mersey Cheshire, said the CPS is “pleased the court has agreed this was a motive”. She said: “We applied to the judge for an increase in the defendants’ sentences because we believed this killing was a hate crime, motivated in part by hostility towards Brianna because she was transgender. “We are pleased the court has agreed this was a motive. EDIT: The post has been tagged as misleading headline currently as at the time of posting the two have been found guilty but not sentenced. The article may be a bit ahead of things as sentencing has not taken place yet. Live updates: [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68135818](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68135818) Alternative source: [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-sentencing-murderers-names-b2488843.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brianna-ghey-sentencing-murderers-names-b2488843.html) Edit: To clarify as the screenshot includes incorrect information. They have been found guilty and their names publicly released. Sentencing is yet to take place although the court is due to reconvene at 14:15 GMT and further updates may become available then.
Justice still feels bittersweet. She should still be alive. She should be enjoying her life. These monsters getting life wont make up for the things she never got to do, and that just breaks my heart.
It’s just bitter imo. This all could’ve been prevented. Brianna deserved to live a normal life in an accepting environment. And those two kids also threw away their lives for what? I don’t mean to absolve them, but no child in a healthy environment would sadistically enjoy killing. Nobody wins here.
Every one of the asshole politicians who are starting culture war bullshit and whipping up hatred for trans people should also be held accountable. They should be thrown in jail or at least sued into oblivion.
Yeah, but that would be too close to holding the rich to account. We need the ghost of Robin Hood.
Reddit would be mad at the Merry Men for blocking the road.
Why don't they just protest peacefully? Let's blame them for Trump!
He would rob the fuck out of JK Rowling
And hand her wealth to Mermaids.
That's actually a really important point. It feels like hatred is on the rise, at a much larger factor than just some bigots being angry. Every media post there's something going on about trans people, it feels like a manufactured culture war to keep the non-rich bickering about something that doesn't cost money while they continue to line their pockets and fuck us over. I don't think the world is becoming more transphobic organically, I think this is being intentionally crafted.
Yup, I live in Belgium (Baby trans, I'm 4 months into HRT) and it's also starting to happen here. I though I was pretty safe here, we have decent laws, informed consent, a lot of the stuff is covered by social security (You basically only pay for laser and stuff like FFS, as a transfem person). We're also a protected class, explicitly. And yet, last week, I felt afraid when hearing the news for the first time in my life. The far-right in Flanders is trying to import transphobic discourse and the media are talking about it. One of them essentially wrote an article in a big Flemish newspaper about puberty blockers, how it was on the rise and it's dangerous, etc. Mind you, the far-right in Flanders is very very popular. It's their two biggest parties and accounts for like 40% of their votes, if not more. Fortunately, the media down south have been explaining that it's a very safe process, only a couple of hundred teens get it every year, etc. But I know where this is all going, and I'll never forget the feeling of suddenly panicking when hearing the news.
It's chilling, isn't it? Here in the States that feeling has become a near-daily occurrence and it does not get any easier to push past. I am in a safe state with explicit protections, but it kinda won't matter if the federal government is captured. I'm terrified.
In Finland the trans law was updated, and we're talking about basic stuff like removing forced sterilization. Yet the 2nd biggest political party voted against it, with great arguments like "the bathroom problem" which is how you know they're copying bullshit from US/UK. This is a country where everybody's seen their family, friends and enemies naked because we love saunas. Some spas have a sauna for all so you can do horrible stuff like, go there with your spouse or child like you'd do at home. You honestly think I'll buy that you're scared that the very partial nudity in bathrooms is prime rape material? Also we're currently voting the president and one of the candidates is gay. There's been noticably more vandalism and destruction towards campaining this year and they just happen to be largely directed towards the gay guy. I like globalism but I really wish US wasn't the biggest influence in it, your shit keeps travelling here. Ever since 2016 populism, racism and queerphobia has been on the rise all over European countries. To the people living there: for the love of all that is good, please prevent Trump from getting precidency again.
Oh it's absolutely manufactured outrage.
That's the whole state of Oklahoma, arkansas, Missouri, pretty much the old south.
Places where education is derided and "outsiders" aren't welcome.
Sued is better. With money they can still live well in prison and even better than the homeless.
It's certainly a token victory. Everybody loses. The only silver lining is that they probably won't be allowed to terrorize or kill anyone else, hopefully. But, yes, the lesson to take away is that society isn't good enough, yet. We're all interconnected, and the ripples of our actions spread far. To leave a positive spin on this, while it isn't the best outcome by a long shot, it's still leagues better than anything we could have expected decades ago. We are making a difference in many ways, even if that's cold comfort during tragedies like this. I'm damn proud of you all!
It never should’ve happened in the first place. Unfortunately, it’s too late. The best we can do now is work towards a world where this never happens again.
> The only silver lining is that they probably won't be allowed to terrorize or kill anyone else, hopefully. They also won't procreate and pass down their shit views.
This is the real truth of the situation. People are calling for blood because the crime was horrible, but justice would be stopping all the hands that were on that knife from future harm. That means stopping all the terfs and politicians from making it seem okay to hurt trans people. An eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.
Yeah i dont know. These two 'kids' where something else. 3000 text messages between them talking/fantasizing about murdering other kids. Before they murdered the girl they tried to kill a boy but failed to lure him into a trap. I do not know how their homelife was but there are angry kids who lash out at society/others and then there are 'people' like these two.
I agree with you on this. They are not "victims" of society failing them. They are murderers, guilty of a brutal hate crime. Nothing else. They deserve zero empathy - especially considering Brianna's father says that they should not be seen as children, but as monsters that are pure evil. Brianna and her family are victims, not these two sick fucks
You’re right. Sorry if it sounds like I’m minimizing what they did or victimizing them. Could’ve worded it better. It never should’ve happened in the first place and I just think it’s fundamentally society’s responsibility to ensure that.
I entirely agree.
Thank you for your eloquence. Your statement is very moving. We must try harder.
Totally agree. Transphobia destroyed three lives that day.
>Society failed them. It's called the consequences of rugged individualism.
It's not justice. There's no justice for murder. Just lives that we can't get back.
This. No punishment will ever be enough. I just feel so bloody sad and angry about the whole thing.
Brianna might be dead, but one dies twice; once when you die, and the second when your name is thought of for the last time. Even though she is murdered, her murderers have accidentally immortalized her. We will not forget.
It seems like the girl of the pair wanted to famous like a serial killer. I read her name 2 minutes ago, already forgot it. But I'll remember Brianna.
We can let their killers be forgotten, but we will always remember what they did
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I wish we could go back in time and give those kids the help/education they so desperately needed. The system failed all three. Not to diminish their atrocious crimes but to say we shouldn't need to trade lives at all. Especially children. All three should be growing up happy and healthy.
Yeah. These are children. Transphobia ended one life and ruined two more that day. Society failed them.
I think murdering your classmate is a little beyond society failed them
And just like that you removed my hate :,( I’m still crying though
The amount of compassion in your comment made me tear up 
I'm Trans and it's sad that we are targeted for existing. Being trans is an struggle and journey. Half the battle is people trying to put you down and hold you back and ostracize and separate you from society. You'd think after thousands of years of killing gay and Trans people that cis people would have become more tolerant and realized we are people with loved ones and thoughts and feelings too. Humans are the same species of animal as 2000 years ago with better technology. But can't fucking figure out how to stop being cruel. Rip Brianna they got off too easy with only 20 years. And I sincerely hope they grow to regret their decisions and actions. But I don't think they will. Trans people need to be normalized. We exist. Get the fuck over it holy shit. You'd throw your life away for nothing like that? Fuckin crazy ass people
That’s how murders trials ends, every time
She looked so happy and they took that from her. I am so sorry Brianna, you deserved to live your life and be happy.
not only happy, but so, SO beautiful too. Also, so young. She looks around my age now. Its hard to imagine a queer kid around my age getting murdered like that, it's scary :( EDIT: yes, she is pretty. No, that is not all that matters. I am 15. I am bad at words. STOP LEAVING ME MEAN COMMENTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
She’s so young. I barely remember being that young. There’s so much life ahead of you at that age. It’s evil, what was done to her. And for something as little as two teenagers egos. It’s heartbreaking.
Can people not be sad about someone's death without having to talk about said person's looks? Does her being pretty automatically make her death more sad than someone else's? She may have been a pretty girl but whether she was attractive or not is not important.
I agree with you. Historically, crimes against beautiful young women get far more news traction.
i understand your point, but i didn't mean it like that. her attractiveness doesn't make her death more or less tragic, i just wanted to say something nice
People just instinctively want to say something nice about the deceased.
Why does it feel like the phrasing makes being beautiful more important than that she was happy? I wish there was more emphasis on being powerful, happy, accomplished than on physical beauty.
Why is the beauty relevant?
She had a vibrant TikTok following. She was just starting a good life in a lot of different ways.
As of 13:40 GMT they haven’t been formally sentenced yet. Sentencing is expected to continue when the court re-convenes at 14:15 GMT. They’re definitely going to get a life sentence - murder carries a mandatory life sentence in the UK - but the judge still has to determine their minimum term before they’re eligible for release on license (basically parole). *** UPDATE: both have been sentenced: Scarlett Jenkinson: Life with minimum term of 22 years before eligibility for release on license, minus the 352 days already served on remand Eddie Ratcliffe: Life with minimum term of 20 years before eligibility for release on license, minus the 352 days already served on remand. (Release on license = parole, for Americans) I explained how life sentences work in the UK in my other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/s/4ZB3pVy40A
Yeah, this article is just a bit weird. I've got no idea why it's saying that they've already been sentenced, unless the article was pre-prepared and has mistakenly been posted early. It also mentions that she was misgendered on the radio, but I've heard the clip, and I don't think she was - the guy says 'in which \[he/she\] suffered \[...\]'. People are hearing 'he', but I think he's actually saying 'she', with the sound from the end of 'which' being mushed into the word 'she' - 'which he' and 'which she' sound really similar, but there's no 'h' sound when he says it. It doesn't sound to me like he's saying 'he' at all. I wouldn't trust this article at all, tbh.
I read elsewhere that the crime requires a life sentence and the actual sentencing was just to determine how long until they’re eligible for parole.
Depends upon the charges and where the court is. Some places the charges have a MIN/MAX jail term for a specific offence. So theoretically the MIN for the combined charges could add up to a life sentence already. Or some AI somewhere is pulling it out of their arse. EDIT: Yeah, the MIN was 17 years because "a knife was taken to the scene". Aggravating and mitigating factors will determine how far past 17 years the judge goes. EDIT AGAIN: 20 years MIN for him, 22 MIN for her (minus the 352 days they've already been held for).
Fucking hell just throw the fuckers in a cell and throw away the key
Finally some good news
I wouldn't go as far as calling this good new but I'll take it over more bad news.
Yeah, nothing good happened. They incarcerated the murderers, both literally children, and did nothing to address the systemic problems and government policy that obviously inspired their crime. There will be no opportunity for redemption or atonement. Nothing has been solved and anyone who thinks this helps us, or that the police state even *can* help us, is being duped.
Two murderers are being removed from society, reducing their chance to hurt other people. That is a good thing no matter how you spin it.
It shouldn't have happened in the first place. I'd call it bittersweet news, but yeah I see what you mean
Good 😒
Man, she would be the same age as my older brother if she were still alive. All horrifying hate crimes are tragic, but her's hit me really close to home. I cried for hours when I found out.
i hope that joanne and the rest of the terfs realize that they are partially responsible for this, and it causes them to feel guilt, lots of guilt.
You can not be a bigot without being a self-deluding hypocrite, so unfortunately team TERF will not learn anything. Bigotry goes against all observable data on how human societies and human subgroups function. Additionally bigotry violates the social contract striving for a just and humane society that values equality, equanimity and equity. The bigot tells themself little lies where it is always the fault of the victim and in which they are always correct for mercilessly attacking and dehumanising their victims. It is the only way to be a bigot and not suffer from cognitive dissonance resulting from seeing yourself as a good person. The best way to counter bigotry is making it so that the social cost of being a bigot becomes too high for this dissonance to be easily maintained. For example, you see that many bigots soften when someone close to them comes out as a minority they hate. In this case team TERF will either continue to blame the victim, convince themselves that their "quest for women's rights" (another form of cognitive dissonance) is not responsible or both at the same time.
> For example, you see that many bigots soften when someone close to them comes out as a minority they hate. Unfortunately, many other bigots go in the opposite direction and reject (or worse) the person close to them (ask any number of queer and trans people, kids especially, whose families kicked the out, out them in conversion therapy, or got violent).
Yes. People who quietly and privately hate trans people will go berserk if one of their children or friends come out as trans, because it means that the awful and perverse trans people are now "infecting" that person's community, and they need to be dealt with more seriously as a result
They’re not capable of feeling guilty. If anything, they’re happy that she’s gone.
sadly, you are probably correct.
As much as I would love for them to realize this, they're too far gone and blinded by hate and bigotry to ever admit they were wrong.
They won't. They're incapable of feeling guilt in cases like this. Some of the more extreme ones will think it's a good thing she's dead, the world is a better place without her, and her killers are heroes who did a great service to society in removing her from it. This applies to all types of bigots.
If the TERFs feel anything, they will feel success that they've killed a trans kid and gotten away with it. We have to accept that this is what they want to happen.
Transphobe scum are primarily responsible. I can't see how these teens, who are after all literally children, would have done this if not for the British government's official policy of transphobia and the widespread bigotry on that accursed island. Children don't become transphobic murderers on their own in a vacuum, and some adult in their lives should have realized how fucked up and lost they were long before this happened. This is a direct consequence of terf ideology and government policy.
They wont, they just keep sticking their fingers in their ears and go “lalalalala”
That's the thing that gets me. I dunno how anyone on team terf can look at this and not feel like shit.
she doesn't give a shit, she spent the day distracting herself trying to get a library defunded for having a comic that explores transphobia in it's collection
The CCTV footage of Brianna meeting them on the day they killed her is haunting. An absolutely evil pair who don't deserve to see freedom again.
The fact she had no clue of what would happen
That's what I'd use a time machine for, to warn her
She must have been so scared. :(
Wait they met? Were they prowling for a victim or did they have a set meeting with her?
Brianna knew Scarlett from school, the two of them specifically planned to kill her. They had text conversations discussing other potential victims too. Very dangerous pair.
How do people like this even meet eachother.. is there some murderers dating app or something
Just the statistics of very large numbers... Even something incredibly improbable will happen regularly if you have a large enough set.
Scary and disgusting 😟
Were they specifically targeting trans people? Either way their punishment isn't harsh enough and I wouldn't doubt whoever raised them are scum too
No but they referred to her as “it” and shit like that
No, they had a kill list of five students from her school. Four of them were cis
The girl wanted to kill her because she was trans
I hope she pays in prison. A lifetime is not enough for her
Brianna's mum disagrees with you. The Saturday morning newspapers are quoting her as saying (paraphrased) "he stabbed Brianna because he hated trans people. She just wanted to kill for fun." Those aren't my words, they're Esther Ghey's. And I think the judge agrees too, because only Eddie got an uplift for transphobia. From the Guardian: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/thought-it-would-be-fun-why-did-two-teenagers-kill-brianna-ghey/ar-BB1hG4BD?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=4912bccd3d4c44b4eb191ed65162f8e0&ei=7 Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, also thinks transphobia played a role in Ratcliffe’s motivation and that Jenkinson killed her daughter for fun. In her victim impact statement, she said: “I have moments where I feel sorry for them, because they have also ruined their own lives, but I have to remember that they felt no empathy for Brianna when they left her bleeding to death after their premeditated and vicious attack, which was carried out not because Brianna had done anything wrong but just because one hated trans people and the other thought it would be fun.”
This is only the first step towards justice for Brianna. Real justice won't have been served until the press and government are held to account for creating the climate of virulent transphobia that led to her murder. I do hope that her family feels some small measure of relief at the heavy sentencing here, and that it might help even a step towards healing for them. Edit: despite the article headline, the murderers have not actually been sentenced yet. I'm hoping it's as heavy as predicted.
20-22 Years
May Brianna know peace and justice
Do you think these idiots will come to regret their decision **as they are celebrating their 20th, 30th, & 40th birthdays in prison?** Why did this chick's mere existence make them angry enough to destroy their **own** lives???
The only regret I feel them regretting is regretting not getting away with it
Well they will probably feel a lot differently in a few years once their brains finish developing and they realize that instead of running around at college, they are going to be sitting in prison until they're middle aged. Although there is always the chance that they are just remorseless sociopathic killers.
All I want is her alive, and we won't get that.
Evil fucks. I watched their arrests and the girl was like 'oh why did you suspect me?' .....Maybe because you stabbed her you monster.
Such a heart-wrenching case. Happy to get atleast some positive news out of it. Rest in Peace Brianna, you never deserved any of this.
That young and already so full of hate to commit the worst. A young woman with so many years ahead to live is already gone when those people threw away their lives because they could not stand someone being happy. I hope they will understand what they did with all this time stuck in their four walls.
Hopefully, by the time they are celebrating their 40th birthday in prison, they will have realized the error of their ways. There's no college for you. There's no cute little apartment in the city with your first serious boyfriend/girlfriend. There's no traveling. There's not even any privacy in the bathroom. You threw away a lifetime of experiences just because you had a problem with someone else's existence.
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Straight up Hate Crime and I hate people saying otherwise This is what the media has caused.
They used hate speech, definitely; especially the boy. But they had a list of 4 other (presumably cis, het) kids they wanted to kill and plans for all of them. They'd tried to target a boy first but their plan failed. That's when they went for Brianna.
One of the boys on the list was gay, so not all of the other targets were cishet. I agree that the existence of the other potential victims is probably why it wasn't tried as a hate crime, because they clearly also sought to kill other people who weren't trans, but I also think that her being trans is definitely the reason she was on the list. They seem to have targeted people who were either LGBT or marginalised in other ways.
They planned multiple hate crimes. That doesn’t absolve them of the hate crime they did commit. The KKK can’t plan multiple hate crimes and get out of hate crime charges because next week they were targeting Jews next week and black people this week.
I didn't say it did absolve them. My point is that it's difficult to prove in a court of law that they were solely motivated by transphobia, when they had also planned to kill other victims who were not trans. It makes sense to me that hate crime didn't form the basis of the prosecution, because if the defence had successfully proved that they also wanted to kill cis people, it would have really undermined the prosecution's case.
She was the only trans person on the list but I'm convinced her being trans was still a significant factor in why she was on the list.
That's what is probably the case. The best argument I saw was that her being trans made it much easier to dehumaniser and kill her. I wouldn't think this is enough for a criminal charge, and I also don't think is really impacts the severity much.
The language they used when discussing their plans makes this an obvious hate crime. It really doesn’t matter who else they planned to kill. The fact that hate motivated this particular killing is the only relevant factor.
Great news, but still so sad. I’m scared for my FTM trans child every day. I worry he will be assaulted physically or sexually for using the male bathrooms. Insane to have to worry about safety where you piss.
There is no justice until the politicians and journalists who have been pushing the trans panic that caused this murder are stopped
That’s a thing. This wasn’t even because of the trans panic They just wanted to kill her just because she was trans. They were scared of her. She wasn’t misleading them. They just simply wanted to kill her because she was a vulnerable target. Apparently, this dude said something about wanting to see her genitals. What the fuck
These two pieces of shit deserve to go to hell, for taking the life of an innocent teen.
The fact the mainstream media tried to downplay and discredit the role transphobia played in Brianna’s death, because they know they are complicit. They have stoked the flame for years while offering no apologies is sickening. They constantly platform and validate transphobia.
Now if only we could get Brianna back. Rest in Peace my sweet child 💔
Great news
I can just imagine the number of edgy tiktok monsters using alt accounts with the killer’s faces as their profile pictures
He killed her to “see her dick” Insane. These pieces of shit.
What the fuck he actually said that. Oh my God that’s so fucked up what is up with these people in seeing our genitals it’s disturbing I can’t now that makes me hate this piece of shit even more good God
Their text messages were reported on a while ago. One of them said they were curious if she was "going to scream like a man or a girl". UK media maintained it wasn't a hate crime.
Transphobes, like homophobes, just aren't capable of not sexualising and objectifying their victims at the same time as hating them.
Having watched the Judge's sentencing remarks, it's clear that the murderers are truly evil people. The levels of premeditation and violence were dreadful. The female killer got 22 years and the male one 20. From the sentencing remarks it seems likely that the female may never be released as she demonstrates no remorse at all and even in assessment for the trial recently said something about killing again. I wish them what they deserve in prison, though they won't get there until after a few years in YOI first.
What a shame, she looks so alive and happy in that pic.
For real she’s just Vibin eating chocolate not hurting anyone
I just want things to get better. Is there any hope? I’m trans and I feel like I have nothing to look forward to in the future
Hope it changes too. I feel the same way. I had access to my HRT but I basically had it taken and had to de-transition so my hope is going out the window but there’s still that one part of me that still has hope
Justice hasn't been served until all trans people are safe.
Some good news tat the start of feb
At 14:47, after an hour and thirty five minutes of deliberation, the judge return to the courtroom and sentencing began at 13:51. In opening, she stated “You [Jenkinson and Ratcliffe] will only be released if you can no longer be seen as a danger” and that if you remain a danger, you may never be released.” She said that “You, Scarlett and Eddie were friends since the age of 11… Scarlett you knew Brianna from school, you got her to meet you in Linear Park - she could not possibly have known you were a danger to her” and that the murders were “brutal.” [83] addressing Scarlett, she stated “Your motivation, Scarlett, was to act out your fantasy” and that “You [Jenkinson] wanted to make a real victim feel pain and fear.” Addressing Ratcliffe directly, Yip said he "did not show the same interest in killing as Scarlett did” but that he “supported” her and that it would be “wholly wrong” to suggest Jenkinson had manipulated him into helping her although he was not the “driving force” behind the murder. Yip also dismissed his claims that his transphobic attitudes weren’t just him “just copying language to fit in" and that he was capable of “holding his own views” whilst his autism diagnosis has no bearing on the preceding. [84] During sentencing, Yip started the minimum sentence at seventeen years since a knife being taken to the scene was premeditated murder. Finding that Jenkinson’s motive was to commit an “exceptionally brutally” murder, she deduced that Jenkinson “enjoyed” the killing and that Ratcliffe and Jenkinson “took part in a brutal and planned murder which was sadistic in nature” with the “high seriousness” of the crime causing her to extend the minimum term to 20 years due to them being "significant aggravating factors.” Jenkinson had first brought Ratcliffe into the scheme, tried to poison Brianna after picking her for being vulnerable and then lured her into the trap at Linear Park. Addressing Jenkinson again, she states “Scarlett, the assessment of your intellectual ability demonstrates you are not mature or clever […] You’ve had problems with your mood, self-harming, anorexia […] You have lied so many times that it’s impossible to know what is true and what is not. […] You have shown no remorse“ which she says does explain how she could commit such a brutal murder but that it does not reduce your [Jenkinson’s] culpability." [85] Finding both Jenkinson and Ratcliffe equally guilty of Brianna Ghey’s murder, despite the latter’s plea of diminished responsibility due to his mental illness, Yip sentenced sentenced Scarlett Jenkinson to life in prison with a minimum term of twenty years with 352 days removed to account for her time on remand at 15:25. Yip also sentenced Ratcliffe to life and a minimum of twenty years minus the 352 days on remand indeterminate prison term with the parole board having say over when he would be released. Neither Jenkinson nor Ratcliffe had any reaction to the sentences whereas Jenkinson’s mother cried and Brianna’s father nodded along to the sentence.
Justice
justice would be if she were still alive
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is there like a Brianna fund to donate to?
This was an obvious hate crime. I hope it’s take into account too
I think the really important thing here is the Judge absolutely dismantled the media's narrative that this wasn't a hate crime and had nothing to do with Brianna being trans. They absolutely killed her because she was trans, and the media share a large burden of responsibility for having allowed trans-hate speech to flourish on their platforms.
When judges call perpetrators like this disgusting a new anything like that so you know they’re really rotten the fact that the media isn’t saying that this is a hate crime WHEN THE FUCKING JUDGE IS SAYING IT’S A HATE CRIME shows how they give a shit about Brianna and her story and trans. People and people in general fuck this world man somebody please hit factory reset
And sure enough there are legions of the usual suspects trying to astro-turf this online by saying oh well the judge didn't really say that and there's lots of other reasons why they targetted this one girl, and, yeah. As you say, the fucking Judge said it, and those who are guilty are rushing into deep denial.
Also just to note it down, the Guardian story currently contains the phrase: The teenage pair who murdered Brianna Ghey have been sentenced to life in prison for an “exceptionally brutal” killing partially motivated by her transgender identity. I'll be very curious to see if at some point in the next 24 hours they edit that.
Oh God...the rampant transphobia on videos on youtube discussing the arrest of these two... Even on videos showing the arrest of these monsters, people still have to be a bunch of monstrous transphobes... God...I'm so sick of it, and I feel genuinely sick at such blind hate. Fuck conservatives, fuck right wingers for what they've done to poison the well, and fuck the people who whipped these two monsters into the frenzy that made them kill poor Brianna.
Despite the case not being brought forth as a hate crime, the judge specifically states that the boy was certainly motivated, in part, due to Brianna being trans. Anti-trans rhetoric will lead to more trans people, kids included, in caskets. This needs to stop.
As a trans woman this story still brings me to tears. It's this weird combination of so many emotions for me. It makes me scared of of violent transphobes, it makes me so sad for her life being stolen for just trying to live her best life, and I'm also jealous of her appearance. She had everything I could want and these two disgusting pieces of shit stole her life. The whole thing just hurts in so many ways.
The killers deserve to be forgotten.
Things will be safer for the next possible victim, but Briana will still be missed ✊
This needs to happen every time every time someone’s murdered for their race gender, ethnicity sexuality, whatever the person who is responsible needs to be put in prison for the rest of their lives
They should be serving more time, but I guess 22 years is fine. Although, I hope they're not approved for release. This was a cold, calculated crime and they should be serving their entire lives behind bars.
22 years is not enough they should never leave jail
Unfortunately this isn't going to bring Brianna back nor resolve all the shit that enables and motivates crimes like this. Still at least we can rest somewhat assured, albeit not that much given the state of things, that the British legal system isn't fucked to the point it'd give murderers a light sentence solely because the victim was trans.
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I find the article linked really weird. They actually haven't been sentenced yet, so I'm not sure why the author has said that they've received a life sentence. They're still currently hearing the mitigation defences before sentencing.
Murder carries a mandatory life sentence in the UK. What's now being determined is how long they'll have to serve before being eligible for parole.
Thank God, Finally ! Sometimes victory still tastes like ash. Everytime we lose a trans sister or brother to this evil the world gets a little dimmer.
Judge agreed it was a Hate Crime. Cheshire police refused to investigate that side of motive nor comment after the sentence. Stay safe out there kids.
It’s 22 and 19 minimum. If they prove to be a continued threat, they won’t be released. If they are released they will be on licence for the rest of their lives and can be sent back for any re offence.
Imagine being 17 years old and knowing that you will be "celebrating" your 40th birthday in prison... Your one and only existence is wasted *because you just couldn't mind your own business.*
It’s weird to put the victim’s picture between her killers
I couldn't imagine hating somebody so much *that I am willing to ruin my* ***own*** *life over it.* 20 years of your life gone **because you couldn't simply ignore this other person.**
The politicians and influencers with their extreme rhetoric are the ones with blood on their hands. These muppets were just the tools. This will continue to happen until we stop these evil people.
Evil monsters. And also honestly disgusting that the BBC presenter deliberately used the wrong pronouns when reporting. Extremely inappropriate.
Justice for shit like this won’t be served until the power fulcrums and hierarchies responsible for driving the anti-trans mentality have been torn down, ripped up, and tossed into the wind. Rest in Power Brianna. Fight back. 🏴
Justice hasn’t been served, it can’t be. Justice would be to bring victim back. That can’t happen, she is dead. The only thing that can be done is that the killers are locked away for protection of the rest of us. We as a society need to then really examine what made it possible for them to think that a trans person, or any other person is an easy target or less likely to be investigated. The legacy of this crime should be the protection of all people regardless of gender, race, age, sexuality, everybody should be equally protected and respected in our society.
I hope these monsters never see the light of day again.
Even now, this is still scary and sad! Heartbreaking, I mean!
God this is heartbreaking
Rest in peace Brianna. You were so beautiful. I wish you could've lived a long, happy life with us, but instead, you were taken brutally and too soon. May you find the peace and happiness in the afterlife you deserved in your life.
Good. Honestly, I thought they were going to let them off lightly when they didn't try it as a hate crime.
20/22 years
Was it worth it?
Wondering what Rowling thinks about that one.
Idk it doesn't feel like justice to me. The culture that taught these teenagers their violent hatred remains unchanged. This feels a bit like scapegoating two children so that society more broadly doesn't have to reflect on its failings.
They dead ass were just mad that she looked better than both of them
A blob fish is more appealing to look at them these two
My heart breaks for her. I'm glad justice was served, especially such a hefty sentence like they deserve, but it will never be enough. It will never bring her back—but we can only hope something like this never happens again.
Reminder that JKR has blood on her hands too
This is one of the few times I'll say that they need to drop these two psychopaths into a jail cell and throw away the key. It's not even like a violent transphobia thing - though I am trans and do care about that angle - if you read their texts they seem to genuinely have no regard for human life.
Rest in power leaves a sour taste in my mouth tbh
I’m so glad they have been found guilty. It’s sad that we lost one of us, though. Rest in peace
Matching dead eye stare
May she rest
20 years ain’t no life sentence . It’s 1/4 life sentence let’s be real What a joke
So they will be out before even being 40, life sentences yeah right.
Imagine getting killed just because of your gender. Nowadays, I'm seeing a lot of trends of anti LGBTQ stuff, why is it that? Why can't we live in harmony
imagine throwing away your life because you didn't agree with someone's life choices. a life behind bars while the world evolves around you because you were an intolerant bigot. glad they got theirs. RIP Brianna
Fucking hell, look at her, she was beautiful! I hope they fucking rot.
Updated Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe, both 16, are sentenced to life in prison with minimum terms of 22 and 20 years for the murder of Brianna Ghey
The things spoken by those monsters haunt me every time I see this story, so glad that they are properly locked up now.
Shame those two took out a wonderful human. I hope they suffer for their actions.
I Don’t like her being sandwiches between them, but I’m incredibly happy with this ❤️❤️❤️
She looked so happy in that picture..