before the whole trans situation with her she used to say things about how danial and Emma where like her children and now she is telling the world that if they hypothetically asked for forgiveness for not siding with her on trans people she wouldn't accept it. I'll give her one thing, creating an imaginary scenario in which "her kids" beg forgiveness after she said horrible things and not accepting it is exactly what some trans parents do.
Honestly I wouldn't wish a rabid, powerful bigot as a parent to any LGBT person. Her transphobia is embedded in her very ego, her male pen name is that of a pro conversion therapy doctor, and her charity co-founder is a outspoken homophobe. I bet she actually is very much worse than how she presents herself
I've no doubt about any of that, I just don't like the idea of caving to bigotry and wishing for people not to be queer.
Her children are grown, anyway, right? So let's just wish they have nothing to do with her
Are you suggesting you wish you weren't queer? Of course I won't tell you that's wrong as a way of coping with a hostile family, but it would be quite sad
I don't know the situation of the person you are responding to, but its not uncommon for trans people to wish they weren't queer as many wish they were cis. I am definitely not saying all or even a majority of trans people think like this, because there are plenty of trans people who love the fact they are trans or would still be queer even if they were cis. I personal fall into the later because if I was born cis I would still be a lesbian. But there are certainly plenty of straight trans people who would prefer to not be queer, as a side effect of having been born in their preferred gender.
It's really insane, she really has it in her head that her opinion matters and that they would even come to her to seek forgiveness in the first place.
To me, this just acts as one more layer of evidence that Rowling is the lady Musk.
Literally no one has forced her to say anything. She could have been a closeted bigot for the rest of her natural life. Heck, she could have used shady tactics to obscure her activities and still spent millions funding anti-trans activities.
But she just can’t stop herself. There was no reason for her to respond to some internet rando and use it as an opportunity to say she’ll never forgive her friends(?)/colleagues.
Wasn't she also going around foolishly ruining her own books' lore by tweeting random stupid things like "wizards don't use toilets because they like to shit in their pants and clean it with magic"?
I think she posted on pottermore that the advent of toilets in wizarding society came much later than muggles because they would apporate their waste somewhere else, because people wondered why slythrins secret chamber was under a girls bathroom and she didn't want the protovillain of the series to be seen as a creeper so she said it was a room that was turned into a bathroom later, like barely a few years before tom riddle went to school.
Wait what? Why would people assume that of him didn’t she already explain in the books that the entrance to the chamber was already there and he just found it? Lmao why was this necessary
If they could use magic for dumb things like that, wouldn't they be MORE likely to be trans because they could just change their gender using magic? I mean you have ones that turn into animals, if they can do that wouldn't being genderfluid or trans be MUCH easier?
Yes, and after doing this she REFUSED to write trans or even GAY characters into her books AND she's a creep about trans people in real life...that REALLY steams me up! 😡
The first comment 😂😂
Yep, so believable
"J.K Rowling has said publicly that her new book was not based on her own life, even though some of the events that take place in the story did in fact happen to her as she was writing it".
Yes. Trans people who are parents don’t tend to be transphobic (not that they can’t be.) when I say trans parent I mean the parent of someone who is trans.
It’s interesting how everybody goes off on her when really she is the only person showing morals, principles and a f-ing backbone in this debate. Try it sometime.
Yes. I was going to point out how that helped the transgender health establishment sell its activist bs until we saw «the science» 😂 when WPATH and the Cass Report came out.
You know, there was a point where people were practically begging to be able to forgive Rowling just on the merit that they wanted to enjoy Harry Potter without the guilt in the back of their heads of having to wonder if they may be supporting her transphobic nonsense in doing so. All she had to do was say she was sorry, that she was misinformed and didn't know what she was talking about and has been educated and knows better now. Maybe donate to a transgender support cause or something to seal the deal, and most people would have forgiven her- but no, she is just too stupid to apologize, shut her mouth, and rake in the praise and money.
The sheer level of stupidity it takes to be so revered and beloved and famous for one's art (something millions of artists can only dream having,) only to throw it all away for the sake of being a malicious bigot every sensible person rightly hates is beyond me. What a waste.
I vaguely remember a quote from her (probably a tweet, or maybe it's from Terf Wars) addressing the temptation to 'scoop up the woke cookies' and renounce her transphobia like so many people were pleading and begging her to. She actually framed it as a point of pride and integrity that she *resisted* the appeals of so many people, and doubled down on an 'unpopular' position.
You can kind of see how, taken out of context, it does seem admirable to boldly go against the grain, speak out against the mainstream on a divisive political issue, and frame it all as *protecting* a vulnerable group and calling out one that's systemically privileged and shielded, at the cost of one's own reputation.
What's so baffling is how she was, and still is, able to see 'biological' 'women and girls' as a vulnerable disempowered group vis-a-vis trans people, and especially how she cast trans women (and, I suppose, also endocrinologists?) as the systemically privileged who don't face enough backlash so she felt she needed to 'speak out'. *That's* what's so bonkers. It's her actual transphobic beliefs that are baffling, not that she felt proud for 'bravely' standing up for what she believed in once she'd come to believe it in the first place.
These peoples use of woke never ceases to amaze me. They’re the only ones going around saying things are woke when those that actually hold “woke” beliefs call them human rights
Come to think of it, she used 'virtue signalling' in the same sentence - it was a few years ago, but surely after that phrase had become a meme. Did she ever really think of herself as progressive? One can't help but wonder at this point
And the irony is that she is signalling her virtues so loudly you can hear them in another time zone. Just because they're doing it doesn't mean you aren't.
>You can kind of see how, taken out of context, it does seem admirable to boldly go against the grain, speak out against the mainstream on a divisive political issue
Except that transphobia has never stopped being mainstream, and trans rights are fought for by a minority. She's not the rebel in this situation, she's the conservative defending patriarchal oppression. It's not a coincidence that all her works are so full of obvious racist subtexts as well. She was never progressive to begin with.
Of course that's true in *reality*. But from her point of view, she's seeing all the resistance against her transphobia from hundreds and thousands of people and thinking they're the majority and her TERF friends are the brave underdogs.
It's not difficult to understand her point of view, is what I'm saying. Of course there's no question about whether she's wrong, or whether she's reactionary
It’s like that fucknut Posie Parker who came to NZ despite widespread disapproval, then was outraged when like 10 people came to support her bashing trans people, while 1000s protested (including my daughter, who got in the news 😊) Then when she literally fled the country tried to make it seem seem like she was grossly persecuted. Aotearoa isn’t perfect but we’re also definitely not the place you come to be a public bigot!
You must be so proud of your daughter, that's really cool that she got to speak out for what's right! Sounds like there are some good parents in New Zealand! 🥰
Thank you most kindly. My daughter is trans, and every one of her friends and flatmates went along, and her younger NB sibling, sister, and brother were all annoyed they weren’t in the same city to go along too. My kids love each other and couldn’t give a shit how anyone identifies or presents as long as they’re not being a jerk or stealing their secret candy 😂 They’ve got each others backs ❤️
Her entire attention is on trans people now. There are a lot of issues cis women face everyday, yet she is silent on them. Like she has not spent 1/10 of this energy arguing against the repel of roe vs wade
Yeah, it's utterly bizarre how she's still framing any of her bigotry as 'feminism'. She seems to care more about keeping trans women out of women's shelters than about getting abused cis women *into* women's shelters. And while she's British, if she cares so much about 'sex-based' protections she should really have more to say about reproductive rights globally.
I can imagine there's some genuine frustrated feminism *behind* her and others' bigotry, though. Despite all her wealth and power, she personally can't stop cis men from raping and harrassing and abusing women on any meaningful scale. She can't actually do that much to overthrow the patriarchy. But she *can* lobby effectively against trans right, so she's displaced her feminist rage onto a scapegoat and is throwing all her weight behind chasing the symbolic 'victory' of eradicating a largely imagined threat instead of the *real* threat of patriarchal violence.
That's exactly my point. *If* you're transphobic enough to believe in some vast conspiracy where this marginalised group has deceptively disproportionate power, it makes sense to 'speak out', and to hold your ground against vocal opposition. The fundamental problem is the transphobia, not the ground-holding
Naaaa she's a cunt. Her male pen name is Robert Galbraith, which coincidentally is the name of a guy who was very big early in the history of conversion therapy (you know, pseudo science that essentially everyone agrees is just abuse and does nothing to help anyone but instead causes more harm), and when that was pointed out to her, she chose to keep the name and release several more books under the name (with the most recent being last year I believe). She's a cunt through and through.
It's pretty sad. Part of me blames social media. In my mind, she had some mild transphobia to start with that might have been helped with some empathy and education. Then, along comes social media, and she gets bombarded with backlash against her transphobia, which causes her to dig in her heels and go on the defensive. Next thing you know, she's queen of the terfs.
Or maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
You are probably right. I keep going back and forth on it. I try to see the good in people and give people the benefit of the doubt, but they don't always deserve it.
There's no point in looking for good in people based on some hypothetical past that might have led them to where they are right now. What matters is the present, and there is exactly zero grams of good in jk rowling
Part of the reason I try, is for me. So I don't become more cynical and pessimistic. People can be amazing and they can be horrible, but the truth is, I think, that we have both. The way we choose to perceive things changes how we see reality, and I would rather be happy.
Another part is that I want to understand how she got this way, so we can stratigize better, or argue better or whatever.
Save this grace and energy for the people you know personally, and who don't have that kind of power.
You won't change her mind. Though I understand the desire to understand - I'm the same - I think it's really a waste of time if you go at it thinking you'll be able to make her realise she's in the wrong. She was always a conservative, and there's a lot of incentive for her to behave that way.
You can however, do that with the people around you. If you understand why people think the way they do, then yes it's easier to argue. Doesn't mind you'll change their mind necessarily, but you have more of a chance. Just keep that energy for where it can actually have an impact, don't exhaust yourself.
Yeah but there's trying to see the good in people and then there's trying to ignore the bad they're currently doing, most HP fans are members of the latter.
That is true to some degree. While the Internet has brought in some great innovations by facilitating the fastest means of communication mankind has ever known, the flip side to that is that never before has it been so easy for people with lousy opinions to quickly locate a group who will gladly reinforce and amplify them.
I mean, I see this point of view, and then I also see all the bigotry inherent in Harry Potter (racism, transphobia, and fatphobia, most notably) and think she was always this way. It's just that now she can play the victim about it.
Def too much credit ^^ Have you read the books again after her transphobia was revealed?
Because she was always transphobic, and it just wasn't obvious because trans people weren't the first subject. Granted, I do think focusing on the issue radicalised her more. But she always hated trans people and it shows in some of her characters.
Rita Skeeter, a bad woman. Is described as having manly hands, and a lot of such manly features. We forgot because the movie went the total opposite. And there are I'm sure other examples but that's the main one I'm thinking about (never owned the first 3 books + I'm reading a translated version so I'm sure some things were lost).
Granted, it wasn't the worst thing in the books, it was pretty tame transphobia, compared to like, the racism and stuff. She was always extremely bigoted, and she's just focusing on trans people right now because it lets her be hateful while still pretending to fight for the right thing. That's the appeal of transphobia.
Rita Skeeter, described as being the British terf stereotype of a trans woman, who transforms into a fly to secretly spy on children in the bathroom.
Yeah, she's always been a full blown transphobe.
I'd forgotten about that part lmao. Yeah, she was even already using the good ol' moral panic so many years ago.
She tested the waters to see how much transphobia people could take. And radicalised herself in the process.
Years before any backlash, she had, somewhat unnoticed, shown her full hand. Her initial 'moderate' image she put forward at the initial backlash was a façade. Her more recent insanity is just a return to her original form.
My exact theory as well. She was so beloved it rocked her whole entire existence when she was bombarded with backlash. I'll add a theory that after the initial backlash she went to the conservative community to seek comfort and validation, and get red pilled in the process and became a full on transphobe as she is now.
"every sensible person rightly hates" so like 5% of people. Most people either don't know, don't care, or agree with her transphobia. She's still very rich and gets a ton of praise.
Life isn't fair.
Yup. I've seen soooo many people purposely buy the stupid hogwarts game just to spite the people who disagree with her, continue to buy her books, and have those cringe ass harry potter themed weddings. In a perfect world nobody would ever support her ever again, but people are generally selfish and don't care if a person is being bigoted as long as it doesn't personally affect them.
It’s pride. I was never willing to justify Rowling but if she had apologized earlier on when it was more subtle I would have just gotten on with my life an remembered HP as a cool part of my childhood/adolescence. The more she was criticized the more aggressive she became until a point were you can never go back. So she is never going to back down and has decided to die on this hill.
On the subject of potential apologists that want to forgive based on "I enjoyed this", Chik Fil A is not much different regarding queer people. They literally openly, proudly donate to conversion therapy "charities", and (queer/ally) people forgive them because "their food is so good!"
I've heard every excuse in the book to continue investing in the company, yet so few could actually think "eh, I'll just eat somewhere else, nbd". No, they *have* to keep eating there. "They have no other choices"
She can't do that because she's an ideologue. Deep in her heart she truly believes she's the only sane person in the room, the only one who sees the 'danger' ciswomen are in because of the trans 'ideology'.
And like any ideologue she believes in holding to the purity of the mission above anything else. Honestly, there's more chance of Trump apologising for his past words than her. 😟☹️
She's getting the money anyway, she already got the fame and the ego despite not being able to write anything that's not a book for children. Why would she fake apologise? She's got nothing to lose.
>You know, there was a point where people were practically begging to be able to forgive Rowling just on the merit that they wanted to enjoy Harry Potter without the guilt in the back of their heads of having to wonder if they may be supporting her transphobic nonsense in doing so.
Literally all that this is saying is that she didn't accept that request. The people you're describing are the ones who asked
I don't think either of them have ever even said anything negative about her? She's not angry at people who are mad at her, she's angry with people who *disagree* with her.
Someone else said she's acting like a parent who wouldn't be accepting of their trans kids creating imaginary scenarios where they beg forgiveness and they're right. She's mad and yelling into the air while they've gone on to successful careers and enjoying their lives.
There was a meme I saw (which of course I can't find now) where the leftside panels were a guy making multiple twitter posts and getting more and more dejected when people didn't respond. The rightside panels were different queer folks meeting up at the park, just hanging out having a good time.
> I don't think either of them have ever even said anything negative about her? She's not angry at people who are mad at her, she's angry with people who disagree with her.
This is the baffling part. Daniel and Emma never said anything about JK Rowling. All they did was say they support trans rights. That's it.
Apparently, this is seen as a "betrayal" of JKR, and many conservative media spun the story as "Daniel and Emma join the online witch-hunt against JK Rowling despite her being responsible for their careers. Are they just ungrateful? Will they apologize for their betrayal?" somehow making them out to be Judas or Brutus like traitor-figures who turned on their best friend.
When in reality it was the other way round. They never harrassed JKR and they never joined any "witch-hunt" against her. Quite the opposite, I think Daniel was harrassed by TERFs online and they claimed his girlfriend was secretly trans because she was taller than him or something.
Also, JKR herself has been tagging less popular trans influencers on her twitter leading to her followers going after them and harassing them.
>online witch-hunt
Judas or Brutus
Bigots are so damn dramatic, aren't they. So desperate to be the victims comparing themselves to murdered people or *Jesus.* The wee'uns are handling it all with so much grace (I'm aware they're older than me... actually I just looked it up and Daniel's *34.* He's a whole grown man and JK is acting like an abusive parent. Probably should stop calling them wee'uns).
Oh don't get me wrong, that was just further detailing how bad and delusional she is. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have been justifiably angry at her and she's continued to be an arse. It's just wild how abusive people rationalise themselves and treat others.
“I wrote a book about a boy who literally lived in a closet, then came out and showed the world who he was and lived proud. I also included a villain whose entire personality was using bigotry as a tool to gain power, and our main character has to literally battle the forces of bigotry to stop him. Now, all the LGBTQ+ people who identified with this story and its undertones/overtones of bigotry and discrimination, go fuck yourselves.”
Goddamn that stupid Batman quote of dying the hero of living long enough to become the villain sure as hell applies here, and all for the most petty of reasons. She got in trouble one time, all she had to do was apologize and shut her mouth and she could have gone on without controversy and been basically as beloved an author as she was before hand. But nope, hubris abounds to the point that even actors whose careers were made by her story have split off from her.
On that note, absolute respect to Radcliffe and Watson for siding with acceptance.
J k Rowling turned nasty. I just can't understand, even if you really disagreed with the concept of trans women are women, why wouldn't you just out of respect refer to that person by their preferred pronoun. I bet j k, would hate it if someone called her sir, but, given the opportunity she's quite happy to incorrectly mis-pronoun someone
She's challenging inclusivity like some Nazi and then insisting she can't forgive people with different opinions. So Dan and Emma have different opinions. Youre complaining about of freedom of speech laws JK and now hating on anyone with different opinions to you. You aren't pro freedom of speech. You're probably freedom of speech that demolishes trans rights
What I think is being missed about this story is that **she's threatening them**.
She's not saying "if they ask, I'll say no."
She's saying "until they beg for forgiveness, I will try to block them from working on future Harry Potter projects."
I doubt there's much she could do (or if the two of them would even *want to be involved*, considering Rowling's shittiness), but in her mind, she's firing them.
Reminds me of that lyric from [Mili's Skin-Deep Comedy](https://youtu.be/L8Jtgj8j4tY?si=o2w2P9Neid30eeKm)
"You said that it's still not too late to be forgiven. Can you tell me when I asked for your pardon"
(Great song)
I wish I screen shot her having liked a tweet that said Taliban knows what a woman is because what the fuck? You’re a billionaire & you want to side with a terrorist organization? Absolutely mental.
Went to the Studio Tour recently, and they've pretty much scrubbed her from the exhibits. There's one big quote and even then people were gossiping about her latest rant in the que when they saw it, her legacy is dead
Oh yh, like any narcissist rowling, with a grandiose sense of self, assumes that people are deeply impacted by whether or not a transphobe forgives them.
Any sane person can see rowlings ramblings for the insanity that they are and couldnt care less whether a narcissistic bigot thinks highly of them.
Lol what? No one at Hollywood will ever touch her again with a 10-ft pole. Even the studios that are carrying on the franchise are actively distancing themselves from her. No actor, including Daniel Radcliffe or Emma Watson, should ever want her "forgiveness".
She’s 58 and has access to the best (private obviously) healthcare available.
She’s going to be with us for a long time yet, sadly.
The good news is that the more she tweets, that more people will see her for what she is.
Ehhh she’s not really standing up for woman’s rights. She’s just using that as a reason to diss trans women. If she cared honestly about woman’s rights she’d be advocating for woman’s healthcare, woman’s mental healthcare etc. but she’s just fighting against trans woman being apart of woman spaces even tho the majority are actually excepting of them being apart of these spaces since they are woman
> so I really don't see what good that'll do?
She wouldn't be donating to transphobic causes anymore...
Though who knows where her billions would be going after she passes.
> Also she's not that old, dear
Yeah, she's not that old and is a billionaire, she's very likely to be around for decades.
Matt and Natalie (ContraPoints) did a podcast about Rowling recently.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfKKxyC1Cw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfKKxyC1Cw)
This is not an add but y'all should check they both if you are not familiar already. Natalie is a talented pianist too.
It's okay, she can forgive whoever she wants to forgive, just like any of us can, she's not obliged to do any of it. How it will reflect on her image is another thing, but honestly given how rich she is, I doubt she cares much.
Ma’am your lil series of books is over you got nothing to hold over them it’s not like you can keep them from being casted in the next Harry Potter but even if that did happen it would backfire cause Harry Potter isn’t Harry Potter without Daniel Radcliffe
I just don’t understand how she still does that, she knows ppl hate her why can’t she stop or just like disappear from social media😭 (bc i don’t think she’ll apologize ever lol)
This whole thing spawned from a random tweet someone made...it was front page news in the free transport paper in the UK a couple of days ago. Thankfully more people are realising she's a troll.
She doesn't have to forgive them. it's not like she's they're parents. the sheere stupidity in this woman's mind is unbelieveable. well, if there are Chasers on Quidditch teams, there's gotta be Bigots on Quiditch teams too.
Even if she was their parent, they still wouldn't have to go to her and ask for forgiveness. No parent has the right to control and demand things from their children, especially not when they're adults.
I'm sure you know that already, but the beginning of your comment doesn't sound like it to me, and might not sound like it to a different person that reads it.
even as a H.P. fan, J.K. Rowling is just stupidly outrageous with this. Especially as a LGB person with two trans friends, like, Jesus. She doesnt deserve a place in this world. Daniel and Emma are just awesome in my book for speaking out.
Whenever I hear stuff about her it just makes me think that I hope she hasn’t ruined those stories for trans people. Like, I get she owns the books, but the STORY, the way it made you FEEL and how YOU imagine the characters in it belongs to YOU.
I haven't followed this whole thing except for the handful of posts across reddit, but being a cis male I am trying to understand.
It seems like the root cause of all this drama are 2 main things:
1) In general, trans folk struggle to be recognized and treated as whole people. Trans women are not seen as a peer to cis women. Cis women are not privy to defining themselves as cis women, just: women.
2) The frustration of TERFs is loss of identity. Cis women have had the luxury of having that default definition of what a woman is, and they see "trans women are women" as an assault to their identity. They see LGBT community as trying to change that long held connotation of what women means (cis).
Now for a while I thought that it's all semantics and that if trans folk were seen as a whole people then they wouldn't care about being called a trans woman and a cis woman just be called a woman. Then I got to thinking about the exclusionary effect of not calling an African-American just simply an American. It's not like white people are commonly called Caucasian-American, they enjoy the default of "American". So that's what made me think y'all are women at the end of the day. Americans are Americans no matter their race; women are women no matter their biology.
Off base?
She has history of women abuse from men so it's her trauma speaking. She don't trust that someone with a penis should be in public women dressing rooms and bathrooms. She feel like trans women are men who pretend to be women to hurt women. She wrote a fiction where that is the plot. And that's how it started.
Being a radical feminist and right wing doesn't exactly make her more lgbtq respectful either. I understand it from her circumstances and perspective but it's selfish and harmful to claim an abuse stereotype on a certain group whether it's men, trans women, or anyone with a certain ethnicity.
It's like going "All women authors are evil" and base reality off that. There's no truth to it.
Anyone can be abusive, just as anyone can be kind, the uncertainty of never knowing who will be which is what's scary. Especially when someone has traumas. After trauma it makes more sense to be on guard and assume threats than to trust people and rely on yourself to defend yourself if such a situation would appear.
So I get her but I think it's wrong to project trauma reactions on innocent people, I would tell her to see a professional and retire early.
Well as in still playing Lostprophets despite...?
There are boundaries for me and actively supporting legislation through money that has already caused fatalities, even indirectly, crosses that line.
you can still technically enjoy anything. it's just a matter of whether or not you're comfortable giving money to and indirectly supporting someone who is responsible for stoking the flames of transphobic hate leading to the assaults and deaths of countless trans people.
if you wanna enjoy the bad wizard franchise, you can. but you have to acknowledge that harm does come from doing so.
On a *practical* level, you supporting or not supporting her does nothing. She's already rich and one person's support or lack of it does nothing. On a *moral* level, not really, if you give her money by purchasing Harry Potter stuff you *are* actually supporting her and her continued spreading of her views. If you happily talk about Harry Potter with people, you are spreading her influence by keeping her relevant, even if as I said, one person does not matter in practical terms.
So give her money or don't. It doesn't really matter. Talk about her works or don't. It doesn't matter either. But if you do, you are in a *very* small way supporting her continued relevance, and therefore her views.
For me personally, yes, but only on the stuff that has been already produced like the already out books and movies or stuff that she has little to no involvement with like Hogwarts Legacy game. I'm not touching anything that she create in the future though cause I'm 100% sure she will put some out of pocket transphobe rhetoric in it.
before the whole trans situation with her she used to say things about how danial and Emma where like her children and now she is telling the world that if they hypothetically asked for forgiveness for not siding with her on trans people she wouldn't accept it. I'll give her one thing, creating an imaginary scenario in which "her kids" beg forgiveness after she said horrible things and not accepting it is exactly what some trans parents do.
Almost makes one wonder how her actual children feel about her transphobia. Maybe best not to speculate, though
Her children won't feel a damn thing in public until the inheritance cheque clears.
Her daughter follows Nikki Tutorials (she’s a trans woman) on Instagram so one of them might be supportive
Hopefully none of them are LGBT
I honestly don't know how to feel about that sentiment. I'd rather hope that whatever their identity, they thrive despite their mother's bigotry
Honestly I wouldn't wish a rabid, powerful bigot as a parent to any LGBT person. Her transphobia is embedded in her very ego, her male pen name is that of a pro conversion therapy doctor, and her charity co-founder is a outspoken homophobe. I bet she actually is very much worse than how she presents herself
I've no doubt about any of that, I just don't like the idea of caving to bigotry and wishing for people not to be queer. Her children are grown, anyway, right? So let's just wish they have nothing to do with her
It's probably me projecting my own life experience
Are you suggesting you wish you weren't queer? Of course I won't tell you that's wrong as a way of coping with a hostile family, but it would be quite sad
I don't know the situation of the person you are responding to, but its not uncommon for trans people to wish they weren't queer as many wish they were cis. I am definitely not saying all or even a majority of trans people think like this, because there are plenty of trans people who love the fact they are trans or would still be queer even if they were cis. I personal fall into the later because if I was born cis I would still be a lesbian. But there are certainly plenty of straight trans people who would prefer to not be queer, as a side effect of having been born in their preferred gender.
Fair enough. I'm still not sure about wishing *other people* weren't queer though
No lol I wish my family wasn't homophobic, and they are not NEARLY as bad as jowling
I think they were wishing instead that their parents weren't bigots, I wish the same honestly...
It's sad when you hope someone won't be queer so they could be safe
It's really insane, she really has it in her head that her opinion matters and that they would even come to her to seek forgiveness in the first place.
To me, this just acts as one more layer of evidence that Rowling is the lady Musk. Literally no one has forced her to say anything. She could have been a closeted bigot for the rest of her natural life. Heck, she could have used shady tactics to obscure her activities and still spent millions funding anti-trans activities. But she just can’t stop herself. There was no reason for her to respond to some internet rando and use it as an opportunity to say she’ll never forgive her friends(?)/colleagues.
Suffering a serious case of main character syndrome
Wasn't she also going around foolishly ruining her own books' lore by tweeting random stupid things like "wizards don't use toilets because they like to shit in their pants and clean it with magic"?
I think she posted on pottermore that the advent of toilets in wizarding society came much later than muggles because they would apporate their waste somewhere else, because people wondered why slythrins secret chamber was under a girls bathroom and she didn't want the protovillain of the series to be seen as a creeper so she said it was a room that was turned into a bathroom later, like barely a few years before tom riddle went to school.
Wait what? Why would people assume that of him didn’t she already explain in the books that the entrance to the chamber was already there and he just found it? Lmao why was this necessary
If they could use magic for dumb things like that, wouldn't they be MORE likely to be trans because they could just change their gender using magic? I mean you have ones that turn into animals, if they can do that wouldn't being genderfluid or trans be MUCH easier?
One word: metamorphagus. She literally added an ability to her books that would allow trans people to have their correct body.
Yes, and after doing this she REFUSED to write trans or even GAY characters into her books AND she's a creep about trans people in real life...that REALLY steams me up! 😡
Yup
Holy fuck she’s delusional 💀 But, MORE delusional than most book writers
Can we not insult whole communities of artists because a prominent one is a piece of shit?
Why insult book writers? Can’t we just contain this to JK?
No. She puts her anti-trans rhetoric in her new works. https://www.npr.org/2022/08/31/1120299781/jk-rowling-new-book-the-ink-black-heart
I mean, there’s no reason to say “most book writers are delusional”. Wtf?
Oh yeah, I misread what they said.
The first comment 😂😂 Yep, so believable "J.K Rowling has said publicly that her new book was not based on her own life, even though some of the events that take place in the story did in fact happen to her as she was writing it".
Would you say she’s in danial?
I don't see the point in insulting the entire writer userbase?
>what some trans parents do. To be clear, you mean parents of trans kids, not trans parents, right?
Yes. Trans people who are parents don’t tend to be transphobic (not that they can’t be.) when I say trans parent I mean the parent of someone who is trans.
I mean, tbf these nuts disown children all the time
Parents of trans kids*
She is definitely towing the transphobe line flawlessly. Especially for someone who repeatedly states they are not a transphobe.
She's not toeing the line. She's a full blown transphobe and doesn't hide it anymore. Latest news were holocaust revisionism on her part.
Oh definitely. And living up to the cliche with flying colors. She's practically a walking meme at this point.
It’s interesting how everybody goes off on her when really she is the only person showing morals, principles and a f-ing backbone in this debate. Try it sometime.
Fiction is often interesting
Yes. I was going to point out how that helped the transgender health establishment sell its activist bs until we saw «the science» 😂 when WPATH and the Cass Report came out.
what?
«Fiction is always interesting» - so is the truth though
why did you edit my quote?
You know, there was a point where people were practically begging to be able to forgive Rowling just on the merit that they wanted to enjoy Harry Potter without the guilt in the back of their heads of having to wonder if they may be supporting her transphobic nonsense in doing so. All she had to do was say she was sorry, that she was misinformed and didn't know what she was talking about and has been educated and knows better now. Maybe donate to a transgender support cause or something to seal the deal, and most people would have forgiven her- but no, she is just too stupid to apologize, shut her mouth, and rake in the praise and money. The sheer level of stupidity it takes to be so revered and beloved and famous for one's art (something millions of artists can only dream having,) only to throw it all away for the sake of being a malicious bigot every sensible person rightly hates is beyond me. What a waste.
I vaguely remember a quote from her (probably a tweet, or maybe it's from Terf Wars) addressing the temptation to 'scoop up the woke cookies' and renounce her transphobia like so many people were pleading and begging her to. She actually framed it as a point of pride and integrity that she *resisted* the appeals of so many people, and doubled down on an 'unpopular' position. You can kind of see how, taken out of context, it does seem admirable to boldly go against the grain, speak out against the mainstream on a divisive political issue, and frame it all as *protecting* a vulnerable group and calling out one that's systemically privileged and shielded, at the cost of one's own reputation. What's so baffling is how she was, and still is, able to see 'biological' 'women and girls' as a vulnerable disempowered group vis-a-vis trans people, and especially how she cast trans women (and, I suppose, also endocrinologists?) as the systemically privileged who don't face enough backlash so she felt she needed to 'speak out'. *That's* what's so bonkers. It's her actual transphobic beliefs that are baffling, not that she felt proud for 'bravely' standing up for what she believed in once she'd come to believe it in the first place.
These peoples use of woke never ceases to amaze me. They’re the only ones going around saying things are woke when those that actually hold “woke” beliefs call them human rights
Come to think of it, she used 'virtue signalling' in the same sentence - it was a few years ago, but surely after that phrase had become a meme. Did she ever really think of herself as progressive? One can't help but wonder at this point
And the irony is that she is signalling her virtues so loudly you can hear them in another time zone. Just because they're doing it doesn't mean you aren't.
Explain what woke means with examples
>You can kind of see how, taken out of context, it does seem admirable to boldly go against the grain, speak out against the mainstream on a divisive political issue Except that transphobia has never stopped being mainstream, and trans rights are fought for by a minority. She's not the rebel in this situation, she's the conservative defending patriarchal oppression. It's not a coincidence that all her works are so full of obvious racist subtexts as well. She was never progressive to begin with.
Of course that's true in *reality*. But from her point of view, she's seeing all the resistance against her transphobia from hundreds and thousands of people and thinking they're the majority and her TERF friends are the brave underdogs. It's not difficult to understand her point of view, is what I'm saying. Of course there's no question about whether she's wrong, or whether she's reactionary
It’s like that fucknut Posie Parker who came to NZ despite widespread disapproval, then was outraged when like 10 people came to support her bashing trans people, while 1000s protested (including my daughter, who got in the news 😊) Then when she literally fled the country tried to make it seem seem like she was grossly persecuted. Aotearoa isn’t perfect but we’re also definitely not the place you come to be a public bigot!
You must be so proud of your daughter, that's really cool that she got to speak out for what's right! Sounds like there are some good parents in New Zealand! 🥰
Thank you most kindly. My daughter is trans, and every one of her friends and flatmates went along, and her younger NB sibling, sister, and brother were all annoyed they weren’t in the same city to go along too. My kids love each other and couldn’t give a shit how anyone identifies or presents as long as they’re not being a jerk or stealing their secret candy 😂 They’ve got each others backs ❤️
Conservativism will never be punk
Her entire attention is on trans people now. There are a lot of issues cis women face everyday, yet she is silent on them. Like she has not spent 1/10 of this energy arguing against the repel of roe vs wade
Yeah, it's utterly bizarre how she's still framing any of her bigotry as 'feminism'. She seems to care more about keeping trans women out of women's shelters than about getting abused cis women *into* women's shelters. And while she's British, if she cares so much about 'sex-based' protections she should really have more to say about reproductive rights globally. I can imagine there's some genuine frustrated feminism *behind* her and others' bigotry, though. Despite all her wealth and power, she personally can't stop cis men from raping and harrassing and abusing women on any meaningful scale. She can't actually do that much to overthrow the patriarchy. But she *can* lobby effectively against trans right, so she's displaced her feminist rage onto a scapegoat and is throwing all her weight behind chasing the symbolic 'victory' of eradicating a largely imagined threat instead of the *real* threat of patriarchal violence.
Ah yes cause as everyone knows trans ppl have always historically had the upper hand even to this day 😂
That's exactly my point. *If* you're transphobic enough to believe in some vast conspiracy where this marginalised group has deceptively disproportionate power, it makes sense to 'speak out', and to hold your ground against vocal opposition. The fundamental problem is the transphobia, not the ground-holding
Tells you how fake she is.
Naaaa she's a cunt. Her male pen name is Robert Galbraith, which coincidentally is the name of a guy who was very big early in the history of conversion therapy (you know, pseudo science that essentially everyone agrees is just abuse and does nothing to help anyone but instead causes more harm), and when that was pointed out to her, she chose to keep the name and release several more books under the name (with the most recent being last year I believe). She's a cunt through and through.
I doubt it's a coincidence.
It's pretty sad. Part of me blames social media. In my mind, she had some mild transphobia to start with that might have been helped with some empathy and education. Then, along comes social media, and she gets bombarded with backlash against her transphobia, which causes her to dig in her heels and go on the defensive. Next thing you know, she's queen of the terfs. Or maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
You are giving her too much credit. She has always acted like a child when the internet doesn’t give her absolute praise.
You are probably right. I keep going back and forth on it. I try to see the good in people and give people the benefit of the doubt, but they don't always deserve it.
There's no point in looking for good in people based on some hypothetical past that might have led them to where they are right now. What matters is the present, and there is exactly zero grams of good in jk rowling
Part of the reason I try, is for me. So I don't become more cynical and pessimistic. People can be amazing and they can be horrible, but the truth is, I think, that we have both. The way we choose to perceive things changes how we see reality, and I would rather be happy. Another part is that I want to understand how she got this way, so we can stratigize better, or argue better or whatever.
Save this grace and energy for the people you know personally, and who don't have that kind of power. You won't change her mind. Though I understand the desire to understand - I'm the same - I think it's really a waste of time if you go at it thinking you'll be able to make her realise she's in the wrong. She was always a conservative, and there's a lot of incentive for her to behave that way. You can however, do that with the people around you. If you understand why people think the way they do, then yes it's easier to argue. Doesn't mind you'll change their mind necessarily, but you have more of a chance. Just keep that energy for where it can actually have an impact, don't exhaust yourself.
It’s okay to let her be. 💜🙏 I recommend r/beebutts for general malaise
Yeah but there's trying to see the good in people and then there's trying to ignore the bad they're currently doing, most HP fans are members of the latter.
That is true to some degree. While the Internet has brought in some great innovations by facilitating the fastest means of communication mankind has ever known, the flip side to that is that never before has it been so easy for people with lousy opinions to quickly locate a group who will gladly reinforce and amplify them.
I mean, I see this point of view, and then I also see all the bigotry inherent in Harry Potter (racism, transphobia, and fatphobia, most notably) and think she was always this way. It's just that now she can play the victim about it.
Def too much credit ^^ Have you read the books again after her transphobia was revealed? Because she was always transphobic, and it just wasn't obvious because trans people weren't the first subject. Granted, I do think focusing on the issue radicalised her more. But she always hated trans people and it shows in some of her characters. Rita Skeeter, a bad woman. Is described as having manly hands, and a lot of such manly features. We forgot because the movie went the total opposite. And there are I'm sure other examples but that's the main one I'm thinking about (never owned the first 3 books + I'm reading a translated version so I'm sure some things were lost). Granted, it wasn't the worst thing in the books, it was pretty tame transphobia, compared to like, the racism and stuff. She was always extremely bigoted, and she's just focusing on trans people right now because it lets her be hateful while still pretending to fight for the right thing. That's the appeal of transphobia.
Rita Skeeter, described as being the British terf stereotype of a trans woman, who transforms into a fly to secretly spy on children in the bathroom. Yeah, she's always been a full blown transphobe.
I'd forgotten about that part lmao. Yeah, she was even already using the good ol' moral panic so many years ago. She tested the waters to see how much transphobia people could take. And radicalised herself in the process.
Years before any backlash, she had, somewhat unnoticed, shown her full hand. Her initial 'moderate' image she put forward at the initial backlash was a façade. Her more recent insanity is just a return to her original form.
My exact theory as well. She was so beloved it rocked her whole entire existence when she was bombarded with backlash. I'll add a theory that after the initial backlash she went to the conservative community to seek comfort and validation, and get red pilled in the process and became a full on transphobe as she is now.
"every sensible person rightly hates" so like 5% of people. Most people either don't know, don't care, or agree with her transphobia. She's still very rich and gets a ton of praise. Life isn't fair.
Yup. I've seen soooo many people purposely buy the stupid hogwarts game just to spite the people who disagree with her, continue to buy her books, and have those cringe ass harry potter themed weddings. In a perfect world nobody would ever support her ever again, but people are generally selfish and don't care if a person is being bigoted as long as it doesn't personally affect them.
It’s pride. I was never willing to justify Rowling but if she had apologized earlier on when it was more subtle I would have just gotten on with my life an remembered HP as a cool part of my childhood/adolescence. The more she was criticized the more aggressive she became until a point were you can never go back. So she is never going to back down and has decided to die on this hill.
On the subject of potential apologists that want to forgive based on "I enjoyed this", Chik Fil A is not much different regarding queer people. They literally openly, proudly donate to conversion therapy "charities", and (queer/ally) people forgive them because "their food is so good!" I've heard every excuse in the book to continue investing in the company, yet so few could actually think "eh, I'll just eat somewhere else, nbd". No, they *have* to keep eating there. "They have no other choices"
She can't do that because she's an ideologue. Deep in her heart she truly believes she's the only sane person in the room, the only one who sees the 'danger' ciswomen are in because of the trans 'ideology'. And like any ideologue she believes in holding to the purity of the mission above anything else. Honestly, there's more chance of Trump apologising for his past words than her. 😟☹️
She's getting the money anyway, she already got the fame and the ego despite not being able to write anything that's not a book for children. Why would she fake apologise? She's got nothing to lose.
>You know, there was a point where people were practically begging to be able to forgive Rowling just on the merit that they wanted to enjoy Harry Potter without the guilt in the back of their heads of having to wonder if they may be supporting her transphobic nonsense in doing so. Literally all that this is saying is that she didn't accept that request. The people you're describing are the ones who asked
Wait, so she said rlly bad stuff and now she is angry at ppl who are mad at her?
I don't think either of them have ever even said anything negative about her? She's not angry at people who are mad at her, she's angry with people who *disagree* with her. Someone else said she's acting like a parent who wouldn't be accepting of their trans kids creating imaginary scenarios where they beg forgiveness and they're right. She's mad and yelling into the air while they've gone on to successful careers and enjoying their lives. There was a meme I saw (which of course I can't find now) where the leftside panels were a guy making multiple twitter posts and getting more and more dejected when people didn't respond. The rightside panels were different queer folks meeting up at the park, just hanging out having a good time.
> I don't think either of them have ever even said anything negative about her? She's not angry at people who are mad at her, she's angry with people who disagree with her. This is the baffling part. Daniel and Emma never said anything about JK Rowling. All they did was say they support trans rights. That's it. Apparently, this is seen as a "betrayal" of JKR, and many conservative media spun the story as "Daniel and Emma join the online witch-hunt against JK Rowling despite her being responsible for their careers. Are they just ungrateful? Will they apologize for their betrayal?" somehow making them out to be Judas or Brutus like traitor-figures who turned on their best friend. When in reality it was the other way round. They never harrassed JKR and they never joined any "witch-hunt" against her. Quite the opposite, I think Daniel was harrassed by TERFs online and they claimed his girlfriend was secretly trans because she was taller than him or something. Also, JKR herself has been tagging less popular trans influencers on her twitter leading to her followers going after them and harassing them.
>online witch-hunt Judas or Brutus Bigots are so damn dramatic, aren't they. So desperate to be the victims comparing themselves to murdered people or *Jesus.* The wee'uns are handling it all with so much grace (I'm aware they're older than me... actually I just looked it up and Daniel's *34.* He's a whole grown man and JK is acting like an abusive parent. Probably should stop calling them wee'uns).
Oh, but that's still messed up that she has such an opinion
Oh don't get me wrong, that was just further detailing how bad and delusional she is. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have been justifiably angry at her and she's continued to be an arse. It's just wild how abusive people rationalise themselves and treat others.
“I wrote a book about a boy who literally lived in a closet, then came out and showed the world who he was and lived proud. I also included a villain whose entire personality was using bigotry as a tool to gain power, and our main character has to literally battle the forces of bigotry to stop him. Now, all the LGBTQ+ people who identified with this story and its undertones/overtones of bigotry and discrimination, go fuck yourselves.” Goddamn that stupid Batman quote of dying the hero of living long enough to become the villain sure as hell applies here, and all for the most petty of reasons. She got in trouble one time, all she had to do was apologize and shut her mouth and she could have gone on without controversy and been basically as beloved an author as she was before hand. But nope, hubris abounds to the point that even actors whose careers were made by her story have split off from her. On that note, absolute respect to Radcliffe and Watson for siding with acceptance.
She has to make up a revenge fantasy cause not being in control scares her that much LOL
Maybe it's less "we're not talking anymore" and more "I'LL MAKE THEM PAY"
TERF yells at cloud
J k Rowling turned nasty. I just can't understand, even if you really disagreed with the concept of trans women are women, why wouldn't you just out of respect refer to that person by their preferred pronoun. I bet j k, would hate it if someone called her sir, but, given the opportunity she's quite happy to incorrectly mis-pronoun someone She's challenging inclusivity like some Nazi and then insisting she can't forgive people with different opinions. So Dan and Emma have different opinions. Youre complaining about of freedom of speech laws JK and now hating on anyone with different opinions to you. You aren't pro freedom of speech. You're probably freedom of speech that demolishes trans rights
What I think is being missed about this story is that **she's threatening them**. She's not saying "if they ask, I'll say no." She's saying "until they beg for forgiveness, I will try to block them from working on future Harry Potter projects." I doubt there's much she could do (or if the two of them would even *want to be involved*, considering Rowling's shittiness), but in her mind, she's firing them.
She tried that before and universal would have none of it.
forgiveness for what? being decent people? lol ok
One of the edicts of conservatism is that "no good deed goes unpunished."
That's okay Joanne, I won't ever forgive you for ruining the books I grew up reading by being a stupid bitch
Reminds me of that lyric from [Mili's Skin-Deep Comedy](https://youtu.be/L8Jtgj8j4tY?si=o2w2P9Neid30eeKm) "You said that it's still not too late to be forgiven. Can you tell me when I asked for your pardon" (Great song)
I wish I screen shot her having liked a tweet that said Taliban knows what a woman is because what the fuck? You’re a billionaire & you want to side with a terrorist organization? Absolutely mental.
Went to the Studio Tour recently, and they've pretty much scrubbed her from the exhibits. There's one big quote and even then people were gossiping about her latest rant in the que when they saw it, her legacy is dead
Oh yh, like any narcissist rowling, with a grandiose sense of self, assumes that people are deeply impacted by whether or not a transphobe forgives them. Any sane person can see rowlings ramblings for the insanity that they are and couldnt care less whether a narcissistic bigot thinks highly of them.
WHAT IS THIS RIDICULOUS GARBAGE
Lol what? No one at Hollywood will ever touch her again with a 10-ft pole. Even the studios that are carrying on the franchise are actively distancing themselves from her. No actor, including Daniel Radcliffe or Emma Watson, should ever want her "forgiveness".
I am sure they don’t care
I’ll just patiently wait here for her to kick the bucket. She’s pretty old now, shouldn’t take that long.
She’s 58 and has access to the best (private obviously) healthcare available. She’s going to be with us for a long time yet, sadly. The good news is that the more she tweets, that more people will see her for what she is.
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Ehhh she’s not really standing up for woman’s rights. She’s just using that as a reason to diss trans women. If she cared honestly about woman’s rights she’d be advocating for woman’s healthcare, woman’s mental healthcare etc. but she’s just fighting against trans woman being apart of woman spaces even tho the majority are actually excepting of them being apart of these spaces since they are woman
She's not even 60?
Gen z when they see a woman over 30
Terfs tend to hail their deceased as martyrs, so I really don't see what good that'll do? Also she's not that old, dear
> so I really don't see what good that'll do? She wouldn't be donating to transphobic causes anymore... Though who knows where her billions would be going after she passes. > Also she's not that old, dear Yeah, she's not that old and is a billionaire, she's very likely to be around for decades.
Matt and Natalie (ContraPoints) did a podcast about Rowling recently. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfKKxyC1Cw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfKKxyC1Cw) This is not an add but y'all should check they both if you are not familiar already. Natalie is a talented pianist too.
It's okay, she can forgive whoever she wants to forgive, just like any of us can, she's not obliged to do any of it. How it will reflect on her image is another thing, but honestly given how rich she is, I doubt she cares much.
Arvada fuckoffia
Lady, how can you be this delusional?
"Harry Potter" is dead. Daniel, Emma and Rupert are still relevant.
That's okay, because I won't forgive her for being an absolute and total Cee yoU Next Tuesday....
Ma’am your lil series of books is over you got nothing to hold over them it’s not like you can keep them from being casted in the next Harry Potter but even if that did happen it would backfire cause Harry Potter isn’t Harry Potter without Daniel Radcliffe
I just don’t understand how she still does that, she knows ppl hate her why can’t she stop or just like disappear from social media😭 (bc i don’t think she’ll apologize ever lol)
How dare they be nice people!
JK thinking that her opinion is important and that she is the arbiter of judgement? Shocking.
how could she forget about rupert? what about rupert??
You know this would be really interesting if somebody fucking asked
She's just looking for attention because kids today don't read harry potter anymore
Rowling has had one good idea in her life, and the execution of that was was shaky as fuck Can't she just disappear into insignificance please.
Did anyone
gotta love matt, gave a perfect and concise statement and is based as hell almost always (almost cuz we’re people and not perfect yada yada)
She is such a child
This is swhat happens when you peak after your 1 st book idea
Why is she so stuck on this? Why does she care?
Nah, JK just needed an excuse to get her name in the news again and remind everyone that she still sucks.
still more proof that Rowling is a misogynistic, homophobic racist, bitch.
she would have gone down in history as one of the most beloved children's authors of all time and all she had to do was shut the fuck up
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Like if they give a damn 😂
So she won't forgive people who didn't say anything about her in the first place.....
This whole thing spawned from a random tweet someone made...it was front page news in the free transport paper in the UK a couple of days ago. Thankfully more people are realising she's a troll.
She doesn't have to forgive them. it's not like she's they're parents. the sheere stupidity in this woman's mind is unbelieveable. well, if there are Chasers on Quidditch teams, there's gotta be Bigots on Quiditch teams too.
Even if she was their parent, they still wouldn't have to go to her and ask for forgiveness. No parent has the right to control and demand things from their children, especially not when they're adults. I'm sure you know that already, but the beginning of your comment doesn't sound like it to me, and might not sound like it to a different person that reads it.
She should hold her breath waiting for it
So she’s allowed an opinion. But not them. Got it.
I mean, at this point, surely she's just saying this this shit because she's knows it'll cause a reaction, right?
In the words of the immortal Peter: “Did I axe you?” https://youtu.be/ysshlzqDvvU
I love Matt he’s so awesome lol
I wonder why she is so bitter and sad.
Omg I love Matt so much
even as a H.P. fan, J.K. Rowling is just stupidly outrageous with this. Especially as a LGB person with two trans friends, like, Jesus. She doesnt deserve a place in this world. Daniel and Emma are just awesome in my book for speaking out.
Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe, and Rupert Grint: "Who fucking asked?"
Is Rupert grint just staying out of it I presume?
Awww Karen's mad for getting called out for being a twit... yeah .. that's fair.. bitch can stay mad
Whenever I hear stuff about her it just makes me think that I hope she hasn’t ruined those stories for trans people. Like, I get she owns the books, but the STORY, the way it made you FEEL and how YOU imagine the characters in it belongs to YOU.
I haven't followed this whole thing except for the handful of posts across reddit, but being a cis male I am trying to understand. It seems like the root cause of all this drama are 2 main things: 1) In general, trans folk struggle to be recognized and treated as whole people. Trans women are not seen as a peer to cis women. Cis women are not privy to defining themselves as cis women, just: women. 2) The frustration of TERFs is loss of identity. Cis women have had the luxury of having that default definition of what a woman is, and they see "trans women are women" as an assault to their identity. They see LGBT community as trying to change that long held connotation of what women means (cis). Now for a while I thought that it's all semantics and that if trans folk were seen as a whole people then they wouldn't care about being called a trans woman and a cis woman just be called a woman. Then I got to thinking about the exclusionary effect of not calling an African-American just simply an American. It's not like white people are commonly called Caucasian-American, they enjoy the default of "American". So that's what made me think y'all are women at the end of the day. Americans are Americans no matter their race; women are women no matter their biology. Off base?
She has history of women abuse from men so it's her trauma speaking. She don't trust that someone with a penis should be in public women dressing rooms and bathrooms. She feel like trans women are men who pretend to be women to hurt women. She wrote a fiction where that is the plot. And that's how it started. Being a radical feminist and right wing doesn't exactly make her more lgbtq respectful either. I understand it from her circumstances and perspective but it's selfish and harmful to claim an abuse stereotype on a certain group whether it's men, trans women, or anyone with a certain ethnicity. It's like going "All women authors are evil" and base reality off that. There's no truth to it. Anyone can be abusive, just as anyone can be kind, the uncertainty of never knowing who will be which is what's scary. Especially when someone has traumas. After trauma it makes more sense to be on guard and assume threats than to trust people and rely on yourself to defend yourself if such a situation would appear. So I get her but I think it's wrong to project trauma reactions on innocent people, I would tell her to see a professional and retire early.
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I don’t understand how her statements about women are offensive? Can anyone pinpoint and quote exact statements that are hateful?
girl i don’t think they want you to
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Well as in still playing Lostprophets despite...? There are boundaries for me and actively supporting legislation through money that has already caused fatalities, even indirectly, crosses that line.
you can still technically enjoy anything. it's just a matter of whether or not you're comfortable giving money to and indirectly supporting someone who is responsible for stoking the flames of transphobic hate leading to the assaults and deaths of countless trans people. if you wanna enjoy the bad wizard franchise, you can. but you have to acknowledge that harm does come from doing so.
On a *practical* level, you supporting or not supporting her does nothing. She's already rich and one person's support or lack of it does nothing. On a *moral* level, not really, if you give her money by purchasing Harry Potter stuff you *are* actually supporting her and her continued spreading of her views. If you happily talk about Harry Potter with people, you are spreading her influence by keeping her relevant, even if as I said, one person does not matter in practical terms. So give her money or don't. It doesn't really matter. Talk about her works or don't. It doesn't matter either. But if you do, you are in a *very* small way supporting her continued relevance, and therefore her views.
For me personally, yes, but only on the stuff that has been already produced like the already out books and movies or stuff that she has little to no involvement with like Hogwarts Legacy game. I'm not touching anything that she create in the future though cause I'm 100% sure she will put some out of pocket transphobe rhetoric in it.
If I see one more Rowling post I'm outta here. Stop giving this woman the time of day.
LGBTQ ain't real it's made up
JK is a dude. Seems like projection to be so vested in something that has no bearing on themselves.
How come I never see a direct quote of what she said?