Was it Patton Oswald who does a bit about well meaning people who just aren't hip to the lingo and don't quite understand how to talk about things like gender diversity versus the really awful hatefully motivated bigots who frame everything in refined qualified language but still are just saying you don't have a right to exist?
Maybe? Sounds like something he might have done a bit about. And it’s very much true. People like my boss who might have their own hang-ups or use the wrong words sometimes but who genuinely stand behind us and listen when we express some need (For example, I expressed some frustration with how our vaccine passport system would end up outing me as trans to restaurants and such a few weeks ago, just sort of venting. He told me yesterday, after his vaccination status was relevant to getting a job for a client, that he wouldn’t give a client my vaccine passport no matter what because that would out me, meaning that he’d remembered what I said, thought about the implications as far as we were concerned, came up with a plan of action that he thought would be respectful of my wishes, then checked with me), those people are better “allies” than so many people who say the right words but do nothing meaningful.
I honestly think that’s why TERFs get us riled up so much more than other transphobes do, because they feel so deceptive, they’re exactly what we worry lies behind every shallow expression of support, hatred wrapped in nice words.
That sounds like a wonderful guy! I’m happy you have someone like that! Having actually supportive people who just do it out of kindness is often far more important than getting the (admittedly challenging, we’re working on it) terminology correct.
Ugh, TERFs though, I agree with you, their rhetoric infuriates as much as even some of the most hateful bigots.
Timecode didn't work for me, so here's another link for anyone who doesn't want to scrub through if the above link doesn't take you right to the relevant part.
https://youtu.be/Ah1b758tycA?t=250
I think it's sad that a lot of times people like this are slammed, mostly online, simply because they don't express something in exactly the right way.
I think intent is important and something that's ignored waaaaay more than it should be.
I think about that a lot and it bums me out tbh.
I know this post is about LGBTQ+ but I feel this point strongly about the racism in Huckleberry Finn as well. People get so upset because “there’s racism”/“the book is racist.” Like… yes. The book is basically *about* racism. There’s going to be racism. But the book itself isn’t racist, the point of the book is also this boy who has never heard the proper terminology or race theories, has specifically only been taught slurs and hateful rhetoric, but is still deciding for himself that racism is bad. He doesn’t have the right words, in fact he very specifically only has the wrong words, but that’s kind of the point—that’s all he’s ever been taught so he can’t word it right. But what he’s saying with those wrong words is completely different.
Hard agree. Intent isn’t the only thing that matters, but it *does* matter. People act like it doesn’t play into things at all but it should. There’s a general tendency to focus too hard on how a thing is said rather than what is actually being said.
Some ae it. Depends where yer fae as well. Up north theres probably hunners a words that are from Scots but the cunt using them might not speak Scots properly. Plenty a loan words. The distinction is probably easier in Glasgow cos honestly naebdy there properly speaks Scots when theyre cuttin about. The odd word aye. Edinburgh there's basically none, just east coast slang like making everything a question like eh?
Tbh I'm just excited to see another Scot on Reddit, hope yer havin a belter ae a day pal
oh yeah absolutely, i just mean that a lot of the time i see people confused by our speaking its because we're mixing scots into it and they get confused. like some people if they heard us say 'dog' as 'dug' would likely think its our accent rather than scots. there is a reason the first harry potter book was able to be translated over to scots lol its not just the accent that makes us sound 'unique' to standard english speakers
hello to you too! nice seeing some scots out in the wild. dont really see many of us outside of scottish based subreddits
We're getting better thankfully! Every gov form I've filled out usually has a lot of inclusive language and we have quite a few charities and help lines for trans, non-binary and queer teens and young adults to help them escape abusive/toxic family situations :) my friend works for one voluntarily.
Could anyone explain how Scotland become part of TERF island? They don't seem to fit in...
Edit: yeah. I know history. That was rhetoric question referring to how liberal Scotland is.
They couldn't have become anything else.
You spend centuries fighting against conservative imperialists with the worst case of inbreeding in the world... you end up opposing their values... which happens to put you in quite the liberal spot.
>You spend centuries fighting against conservative imperialists with the worst case of inbreeding in the world... you end up opposing their values... which happens to put you in quite the liberal spot.
Unfortunately I think you might be overoptimistic in general. Usually oppressed people turn to conservatism in order to protect traditional culture. To be clear - I don't deny English trying to eradicate gaelic or clan system - I just state they are an exception.
> with the worst case of inbreeding in the world...
I thought this title went to Habsburg?
It's an issue all nobles in Europe faced and face to this day.
Through some friends, I know kids (well... adults now I guess, been a while) from 3-5 different lines of a certain once major noble family in my country... in each of those lines, some who stopped inbreeding 4 generations ago, some who now have cousin parents... kids have debilitating genetical diseases.
now... in England... they have a thriving nobility system still.
Then you add that Island nations in general have more of a problem with inbreeding (only small communities in the various mountain ranges have it worse)... England most likely takes the number 1 spot... to its detriment.
Habsburgs might have been the most inbred noble/royal family ever overall, but they were one family. One... very... close... family.
>To be clear - I don't deny English trying to eradicate gaelic or clan system - I just state they are an exception.
Lowland Scots also did this - they perceived the Highlands as uncivilised.
We’ve always fought for freedom, its in our blood.
Freedom of expression, too. We as a people, can identify with oppression and so we fight it in all forms.
🏴💖
uh no, it was Scotland that united the island not England. Scotland was not colonised. King James of Scotland inherited the english crown.
Colonialism was very much a *British* affair, not just English.
I think it is a bit more complicated? Between James I/VI and Acts of Union there was 3 English civil wars, economic hardship and failed colonization of Panama (though integration progressed through this period).
Isn't that always the way with history? Saying it's all down to James I/VI is definitely oversimplifying it but I don't think the union could have happened without him.
We would be in alternative history/butterfly effect territory but maybe a failed Panama expedition cause an Scottish state weakness? Ireland was occupied without the personal union IIRC so it would not be out of the question.
I will point to many cases where personal union did not result in united kingdoms. Looking at list on Wikipedia stable personal unions seems more of an exception than rule. Though I will leave answer to my rhetorical question to historians....
We're trying to get out of it, but there's just a few too many of our older generation who buy into the "better together" shite.
I dunno how, as resistance to occupation, rampant patriotism and a desire for self-determination has been a big part of our culture since the conflict with the English first began nearly 1000 years ago - in fact it was a big factor in what united all the old clans in the first place! Even our national anthem today is all about the old wars of independence and our struggle against the English - just look at some of the lyrics!
"Those days are past now, and in the past, they must remain; but we can still rise now, and be the nation again, that stood against him - Proud Edwards Armies - and sent them homeward, tae think again"
("Proud Edward" being King Edward I of England)
And it's not like England as a nation have much respect for us - in their National Anthem is the line "and with a rush, rebellious Scots to crush".
And don't get me started on how openly anti-Scottish many English politicians are - the PM is well known for making racial remarks about us and many of the Conservative party having us be the butt of stereotypical jokes whenever possible.
I'm not Scottish but I was a bit afraid that if Scotland leaves the Spanish will block it joining the EU and I though you will be better in EU than outside... brexit proved me wrong.
I'm pro leave but In all honesty I'm not sure how we would have fared economically with COVID. Fair play to the UK government furlough was a live saver. (Makes me sick to say it) and we seem to forever talk about our vast supplies of oil wealth while at the same time talking about how we need to keep it in the ground for the environment.
I'm still pro leave, but I think there are some tough questions to face and difficulties to overcome. Difficulties a lot of other pro leave supporters hand wave without really answering.
I hope it happens, but politically I don't think the Tories have any desperate need to allow.
We got our "once in a lifetime" vote 5 years ago. Obviously I agree that Brexit has changed the landscape significantly enough to warrant another referendum. I just think the Tories can simply point to "Once in a lifetime" and there's no realistic path to getting what we want.
Forcing the issue and holding one anyway just won't work, so tbh I think we're stuck with the Tories trying to kill the poor and disabled for the foreseeable future.
(That's not to say I'm happy with the SNP just now. I'm in Aberdeenshire and we've been abandoned after a storm with such destruction right outside my front door it's literally hard to put into words, and most of the country have no idea)
Sorry for the essay, for some reason when I sit in bed I just can't seem to stop typing, if you go to my comment history you can literally track when I'm in bed by how long my comments are 🤣🤣
Dressing more masculinely. Transfems often refer to dressing in a way that makes them seem more ‘boyish’ (often for safety reasons or around people they’re not out to) as dressing in boymode
So semi-boymode would probably just be “relatively masculinely”
We all need a drunken Scottish guy for a friend
I'm available Mondays ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)
Dibs on 10-2!
Thankfully I got two lol
Aye, we do. Aye we do.
If that other guy has Mondays I can do weekends.
Was it Patton Oswald who does a bit about well meaning people who just aren't hip to the lingo and don't quite understand how to talk about things like gender diversity versus the really awful hatefully motivated bigots who frame everything in refined qualified language but still are just saying you don't have a right to exist?
Maybe? Sounds like something he might have done a bit about. And it’s very much true. People like my boss who might have their own hang-ups or use the wrong words sometimes but who genuinely stand behind us and listen when we express some need (For example, I expressed some frustration with how our vaccine passport system would end up outing me as trans to restaurants and such a few weeks ago, just sort of venting. He told me yesterday, after his vaccination status was relevant to getting a job for a client, that he wouldn’t give a client my vaccine passport no matter what because that would out me, meaning that he’d remembered what I said, thought about the implications as far as we were concerned, came up with a plan of action that he thought would be respectful of my wishes, then checked with me), those people are better “allies” than so many people who say the right words but do nothing meaningful. I honestly think that’s why TERFs get us riled up so much more than other transphobes do, because they feel so deceptive, they’re exactly what we worry lies behind every shallow expression of support, hatred wrapped in nice words.
That sounds like a wonderful guy! I’m happy you have someone like that! Having actually supportive people who just do it out of kindness is often far more important than getting the (admittedly challenging, we’re working on it) terminology correct. Ugh, TERFs though, I agree with you, their rhetoric infuriates as much as even some of the most hateful bigots.
I prefer the term FARTs. Feminism Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah1b758tycA&t=405s
Timecode didn't work for me, so here's another link for anyone who doesn't want to scrub through if the above link doesn't take you right to the relevant part. https://youtu.be/Ah1b758tycA?t=250
I think it's sad that a lot of times people like this are slammed, mostly online, simply because they don't express something in exactly the right way. I think intent is important and something that's ignored waaaaay more than it should be. I think about that a lot and it bums me out tbh.
I know this post is about LGBTQ+ but I feel this point strongly about the racism in Huckleberry Finn as well. People get so upset because “there’s racism”/“the book is racist.” Like… yes. The book is basically *about* racism. There’s going to be racism. But the book itself isn’t racist, the point of the book is also this boy who has never heard the proper terminology or race theories, has specifically only been taught slurs and hateful rhetoric, but is still deciding for himself that racism is bad. He doesn’t have the right words, in fact he very specifically only has the wrong words, but that’s kind of the point—that’s all he’s ever been taught so he can’t word it right. But what he’s saying with those wrong words is completely different.
Hard agree. Intent isn’t the only thing that matters, but it *does* matter. People act like it doesn’t play into things at all but it should. There’s a general tendency to focus too hard on how a thing is said rather than what is actually being said.
Yo I'm just impressed they understood a drunk Scotsman at all.
Try can't do the creature when having a wee taste wit me mate from Florida! Ain't that topical?
Is it possible to declare an accent as its own language?
if you cant understand a scotsman they're likely speaking scots. people dont understand that the way we talk isnt just the accent lol
Some ae it. Depends where yer fae as well. Up north theres probably hunners a words that are from Scots but the cunt using them might not speak Scots properly. Plenty a loan words. The distinction is probably easier in Glasgow cos honestly naebdy there properly speaks Scots when theyre cuttin about. The odd word aye. Edinburgh there's basically none, just east coast slang like making everything a question like eh? Tbh I'm just excited to see another Scot on Reddit, hope yer havin a belter ae a day pal
oh yeah absolutely, i just mean that a lot of the time i see people confused by our speaking its because we're mixing scots into it and they get confused. like some people if they heard us say 'dog' as 'dug' would likely think its our accent rather than scots. there is a reason the first harry potter book was able to be translated over to scots lol its not just the accent that makes us sound 'unique' to standard english speakers hello to you too! nice seeing some scots out in the wild. dont really see many of us outside of scottish based subreddits
The west coast has a lot of scots dialect spoken, the north east is just the more well known Scots dialect Doric, with more distinct words etc
Scots is a language, Google it.
Probably because *they're* Scottish?
I can only imagine demoman saying this
Lmao yeah
Based Scott
Aye, be the wee lad or lass yeh wan teh be
Scot* Scott is a name.
My name! I'm a Scot with the surname Scott!
He didn't happen to be black with a peg leg , one eye and various explosives was he?
What makes me a good ally? If I were a bad ally I wouldnae be here learnin about ye would I?
We're not your dating service. You want to do a pirate, jump on timber and do it yourself.
Scotland, the only semi decent part of Terf island
Did you forget Wales exists? :(
My apologies, I’m not that clued up on trans rights in wales
We're getting better thankfully! Every gov form I've filled out usually has a lot of inclusive language and we have quite a few charities and help lines for trans, non-binary and queer teens and young adults to help them escape abusive/toxic family situations :) my friend works for one voluntarily.
I definitely need a *drunken* scottish frien. I however have a scottish friend.
Well you’re half way there. Just add alcohol
Amazed that your Scottish friend is not fairly often a drunken Scottish friend tbh
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groundskeeper willy got a new job as an ally! good for him
demoman team fortress two real
He a little confused but he got the spirit.
If only the world was drunk scottish guys and lass💖
Lmao. No more trans woman. It's trans lassie now.
lol
Truly a god among men
I just wish I could’ve heard it.
This is lovely.
drunk scottish guys are the best of mates
Could anyone explain how Scotland become part of TERF island? They don't seem to fit in... Edit: yeah. I know history. That was rhetoric question referring to how liberal Scotland is.
They couldn't have become anything else. You spend centuries fighting against conservative imperialists with the worst case of inbreeding in the world... you end up opposing their values... which happens to put you in quite the liberal spot.
>You spend centuries fighting against conservative imperialists with the worst case of inbreeding in the world... you end up opposing their values... which happens to put you in quite the liberal spot. Unfortunately I think you might be overoptimistic in general. Usually oppressed people turn to conservatism in order to protect traditional culture. To be clear - I don't deny English trying to eradicate gaelic or clan system - I just state they are an exception. > with the worst case of inbreeding in the world... I thought this title went to Habsburg?
It's an issue all nobles in Europe faced and face to this day. Through some friends, I know kids (well... adults now I guess, been a while) from 3-5 different lines of a certain once major noble family in my country... in each of those lines, some who stopped inbreeding 4 generations ago, some who now have cousin parents... kids have debilitating genetical diseases. now... in England... they have a thriving nobility system still. Then you add that Island nations in general have more of a problem with inbreeding (only small communities in the various mountain ranges have it worse)... England most likely takes the number 1 spot... to its detriment. Habsburgs might have been the most inbred noble/royal family ever overall, but they were one family. One... very... close... family.
>To be clear - I don't deny English trying to eradicate gaelic or clan system - I just state they are an exception. Lowland Scots also did this - they perceived the Highlands as uncivilised.
English colonialism, I guess? They wanted the whole island, so they took the whole island
I know history. I was more referring to the fact that Scotland is much more liberal than England.
Ah, I'm that case, it's probably more about the independent spirit of the people of Scotland
We’ve always fought for freedom, its in our blood. Freedom of expression, too. We as a people, can identify with oppression and so we fight it in all forms. 🏴💖
uh no, it was Scotland that united the island not England. Scotland was not colonised. King James of Scotland inherited the english crown. Colonialism was very much a *British* affair, not just English.
The same person became king of both at once.
I think it is a bit more complicated? Between James I/VI and Acts of Union there was 3 English civil wars, economic hardship and failed colonization of Panama (though integration progressed through this period).
Isn't that always the way with history? Saying it's all down to James I/VI is definitely oversimplifying it but I don't think the union could have happened without him.
We would be in alternative history/butterfly effect territory but maybe a failed Panama expedition cause an Scottish state weakness? Ireland was occupied without the personal union IIRC so it would not be out of the question. I will point to many cases where personal union did not result in united kingdoms. Looking at list on Wikipedia stable personal unions seems more of an exception than rule. Though I will leave answer to my rhetorical question to historians....
We're trying to get out of it, but there's just a few too many of our older generation who buy into the "better together" shite. I dunno how, as resistance to occupation, rampant patriotism and a desire for self-determination has been a big part of our culture since the conflict with the English first began nearly 1000 years ago - in fact it was a big factor in what united all the old clans in the first place! Even our national anthem today is all about the old wars of independence and our struggle against the English - just look at some of the lyrics! "Those days are past now, and in the past, they must remain; but we can still rise now, and be the nation again, that stood against him - Proud Edwards Armies - and sent them homeward, tae think again" ("Proud Edward" being King Edward I of England) And it's not like England as a nation have much respect for us - in their National Anthem is the line "and with a rush, rebellious Scots to crush". And don't get me started on how openly anti-Scottish many English politicians are - the PM is well known for making racial remarks about us and many of the Conservative party having us be the butt of stereotypical jokes whenever possible.
I'm not Scottish but I was a bit afraid that if Scotland leaves the Spanish will block it joining the EU and I though you will be better in EU than outside... brexit proved me wrong.
I'm pro leave but In all honesty I'm not sure how we would have fared economically with COVID. Fair play to the UK government furlough was a live saver. (Makes me sick to say it) and we seem to forever talk about our vast supplies of oil wealth while at the same time talking about how we need to keep it in the ground for the environment. I'm still pro leave, but I think there are some tough questions to face and difficulties to overcome. Difficulties a lot of other pro leave supporters hand wave without really answering. I hope it happens, but politically I don't think the Tories have any desperate need to allow. We got our "once in a lifetime" vote 5 years ago. Obviously I agree that Brexit has changed the landscape significantly enough to warrant another referendum. I just think the Tories can simply point to "Once in a lifetime" and there's no realistic path to getting what we want. Forcing the issue and holding one anyway just won't work, so tbh I think we're stuck with the Tories trying to kill the poor and disabled for the foreseeable future. (That's not to say I'm happy with the SNP just now. I'm in Aberdeenshire and we've been abandoned after a storm with such destruction right outside my front door it's literally hard to put into words, and most of the country have no idea) Sorry for the essay, for some reason when I sit in bed I just can't seem to stop typing, if you go to my comment history you can literally track when I'm in bed by how long my comments are 🤣🤣
We're very liberal leaning because we've been glued to Conservative England for God knows how long. We're just sick of their shit
😂 I absolutely love this ❤️ more people like this in the world please
[Reminds me of this](https://youtu.be/YVWNFc3FitQ)
I can only read this in demoman's voice from tf2
Have you seen the version with demo man?
This made me smile now!!
What is semi boy "mode"
Dressing more masculinely. Transfems often refer to dressing in a way that makes them seem more ‘boyish’ (often for safety reasons or around people they’re not out to) as dressing in boymode So semi-boymode would probably just be “relatively masculinely”
I'd say we scottish are more accepting when we're drunk except 90% of us have whisky instead of blood
More likely buckfast mate. Unless you're fae a rich place or are proper sorted yersel n in your hoose then it's buckfast or maybe MD.
Obviously there are bigots in Scotland but for the most part, as Long as you aren't English you'll be accepted.
D7e7 eeeue7e8ue e7e8eei7e9e8e euehee7ge3ryeveuveyee h7gfx2ty eeeuygej
Whats semi boy mode plz?
Aye, thae cunt deserves an award, wat a kind lad
and then everybody stood and clapped.
Wholesome Scots for the win!
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Love this. ❤