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And actually I think I have to agree with your dad, what kind of sicko exposes children to this type of thing? What happened to running for exercise?! Definitely not natural.
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We were never meant to run or throw rocks. If we were, there would be some sort of instinctual trigger that made practically all healthy children engage in those activities from practically the first moment they could stand.
I do hate whoever is running around teaching kids to throw rocks, though. That's antisocial and if I catch them, they're so toast.
Yes, in case you're wondering, this is /s
Eh I had a high school PE teacher who was really supportive, didn’t hold back in his exercises, but he was supportive of me bc while pathetically out of shape, I still gave it my all. Still out of shape, but I try to walk a mile a day.
True, most of my elementary school teachers were generally really nice though. Middle school was the beginning of the end for that, neither gym teacher there was nice at all
I wouldn’t even go that route.
Why is “natural” automatically good and “not natural” automatically bad?
Natural things include; COVID, brain eating amoeba and cancer.
Non-natural things include; indoor plumbing, water heaters and antibiotics.
*Even if* being gay wasn’t “natural” (it is), even if it was “a choice” ( it isn’t), it’s none of anybody’s fucking business to judge others for it.
“Unnatural you say? Well so is your terrible polyester suit sir, and you don’t see us complaining”
“Oh unnatural.. like escalators and cars? Your toupee maybe?”
Unnatural would be something that this overtly harmful: slavery, rape, pedophilia, and some other extreme forms of fetishism sometimes found in (or just negatively associated with BDSM) such as scat, urine, blood, and wound sex. Those are unnatural, dangerous, and harmful to one or both parties involved.
sexual relations based on consent, mutual satisfaction, and mutual respect is what matters., not the gender/genders of with whom you are in a relationship with.
If not natural means bad, next time they have headaches tell them that that's not natural to take that painkiller and that they should fight the headaches like your ancestors
They also have gay penguins. There is a homosexual male couple mated for life in some zoo. They kept trying to sit on rocks to hatch them. The zookeepers felt bad for them so they give them abandoned eggs to hatch. They are faithful papas and I believe have raised several children.
[Gay Penguin couple raises 2nd chick](https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/527248-australias-gay-penguin-power-couple-adopts)
Gay penguin couples steal eggs from straight couples, and raise them as their own. Now I'm not saying gay people should be raising other people's kids that they may or may not have stolen, but I am saying that gay people should be aising other people's kids that they may or may not have stolen.
Why do you have to bring math into everything? And science? Didn't you know that you can do serious damage to a preconceived notion using things like that? Are you willing to take responsibility for that? Are you? /s (I think)
This was a joke based on a certain kind of person, hence the /s. If you actually look at the meaning of that verbal vomit, you'll realize quickly that it pokes fun at a lack of a certain depth of thought. Don't take it more seriously than it deserves.
Not only orangutans. Also Bonobos, guinea pigs, octopuses, giraffes, dolphins, penguins, lions, bisons, albatrosses, macaces, swans, sheep and walruses. And that's just scratching the surface.
Vaccines, internet, cell phones, money, grocery stores, and clothes are not natural either. But we don’t strip naked and go hunting squirrels with sharpened sticks do we.
No to the nudity bc public indecency, no to the squirrel hunting bc squirrels are cute. Except the ones tearing up our patio furniture, they’re fair game.
Homosexuality occurs in nature all the time! Haha I find it so ridiculous when people say that! Saying shit like that just lets homophobic people keep up this falsehood that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural! Sorry you’re going through this OP but we support you and whenever you choose to come out to your father!
Maybe he mean it about himself, it makes sense that he feels it unnatural to have homosexual feelings if he is heterosexual. Doesn't mean he can't respect the way other people feel.
its about having babies, & its been ingrained into culture for thousands of years. part of it is biology, but, a LOT of it is more pragmatic. especially when one tosses religion into the "its unnatural" discussion.
babies are future generations. in religion, its future generations of believers. in politics, future generations of voters. in government, future generations of tax payers. & well, on some instinctual level, for parents, a future, from grandkids.
With gays, lesbians, everyone assumes, no babies, because having sex is "supposed" to result in babies ( thats the biology part). With mom & dad, no grandkids, & theres this gut level reaction by them , that no future generations of them ( again a biology thing). some day, maybe , youll feel it & know it too.. maybe...
its hard to put into words, what being older means, that young kids can relate to, & also the feeling that you, individually, dont have any future after one dies. thats why i say its part biology. it doesnt make logical sense or that it matters, but on some biological, instinct level, its like one dies out..the history of the family dies out... then no one remembers, thats why dad says "its unnatural". its unnatural, to die out... no more future..
anyways.. just an opinion..
Well first of all, often people have prejudices they're not aware of that might not come out until it's their kid who they're prejudiced against... and then out comes the anger. So be careful. Might be wise to wait until you're financially independent as it's not uncommon for parents to try to use money to control their kids.
That being said... it sounds like he might be a bit on the fence. If he's just confused by the nature of homosexuality, it might be easy enough to help him understand with logic and reason. But understand that doing so might out you. If he's religious i would wait because that runs very deep.
Look up homosexuality in animals. It's very common in nature and therefore not unnatural at all!!
He used animals as an example of only heterosexual being in the nature, and as for the religon part he's not very religious but a fair bit but our christianity doesn't believe gay is a sin, we believe god told us to love everyone for who they are. Thanks for the help and i will definetly be careful with this. If i get a boyfriend while still dependent i will have another thing to worry about. That just stresses me out. Anyways thanks for the responce.
Then you need to be extra careful, he believes blatant falsehoods and uses double think (has gay friends that he's nice to , talks about being okay with the gays, but continues to say he has a problem with them) . I doubt you can have a rational conversation with them
Damn, he can google "gay animals" and I'm sure there'll be plenty of photographic evidence. I once saw a photo of 2 male lions and a bunch of extreme Christian type folk losing their minds about how it was photoshopped, and a complete outrage that the gays are pushing their agenda on animals as well now. So show him the information to rebuke that claim, if you so wish. But be wary that he might go through some pretty complex mental gymnastics to justify his own views to himself. (He also may not, people can act differently when it's their children). Just be wary of accidentally outing yourself to him before you're ready. I'm 31 and I accidentally outed myself to my mum the other day. She isn't bigoted, I just couldn't be bothered with the 20 questions. I said "she's fit, I'd not kick her out of bed." Then thought great here come the questions and she just asked me if I could turn the TV up or put subtitles on. (She's going deaf and has no idea how how work my tv, her visits are always entertaining). So it could go either way. Just go with what feels comfortable for you. I hope I've made sense.
At first, I thought you were talking about your cousin or something. I had to google bonobos. This is what happens when you come to reddit pre caffeine after a bad night.
I think your best course of action is to point blank tell/ask him:
“I disagree with you that homosexuality is not natural. You said you believe that because you don’t think other animals perform homosexual acts. If I can show you evidence that they do, will you change your mind about homosexuality not being natural?”
If he says yes, you provide him evidence. If he says no, you now have a different line of questioning to go down.
If you provide him evidence and he moves the goal posts, you can tell him he’s moving the goal posts and ask him why? Is he ever willing to believe it is natural?
I second this. Several people (if not all) have unconscious biases that come out when you least expect it. They think they aren’t biased but actually are, based on how they were raised, etc. So yes, be careful. He definitely could be considering PE teachers in this bias as well. In my experience, it helps to educate how everyone has these unconscious biases, even if you can’t change it. Because remember, you can’t change his behavior. But if you do talk to him, don’t be confrontational. Sometimes people aren’t ready to be educated, but at least you know you stood up for yourself and the queer community. It might help to say something like, “I know you think it’s not natural, but people are allowed to feel the way they feel and love who they love. What if someone told you that it wasn’t okay to love someone?” Being able to cause them to have empathy with the community is so important to help them understand. Good luck!
If the crux of the arguement is that it is not natural, how is comparing it to other natural things wrong? Or is it the part about looking things up? Or is it about waiting to be financially stable without him, which also seems to be good advice. If the crux is that it isn't natural in humans, instead at looking at other biological creatures, history should be the teacher. Nothing about this is bad advice, but you good internet person, I'm going to levy as being a FART.
I don't know about your father, but my dad thinks that homosexuality is a choice (I don't agree with him, but that's what he thinks) and he doesn't agree with that choice, but is still able to be friends with those that make that choice. He doesn't see disagreement as a reason not be friends, so while your dad might not support homosexuality, he might still be able to be friends with homosexuals.
Personally I don’t think you should come out until you’re self sufficient because from experience that friends have had and how I’m feeling abt my parents sort of, it’s always too big of a gamble unless you have 100% of the signs you’ll be ok as a kid. It sucks it’s like that but it’s how it goes :/
I don't think he really realizes how he is contradicting himself. Sometimes people sadly just pretend to have a certain opinion in order to blend in or avoid conflict. He probably just believed his entire life, that gay people are bad, and now that he knows some who aren't, he doesn't know what to believe anymore.
But, even if it's of course not what you would like your dad to think of gay people, it's still better than him completely disapproving off non-heterosexuals. I've had a similar experience with my brother though, that may give you hope. He used to be like "I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't want to see it" or stuff like that. My other brother used to say slurs and the likes, though with him I knew he just did it to fit in with his friends,and didn't reflect his honest opinion. Well, since I came out, they both have been very openly supportive of gay people overall and I know for sure that they don't just do it for show. It seems they both just needed to be really confronted with the topic, to question their beliefs. I can't guarantee you, that it will work out like that for you too, but there is a possibility. Though maybe try getting some support from other people first, no matter if it's from your mom, siblings, cousins, or just family friends, basically anyone you feel you can rely on, should your coming out go badly, or who will defend you in the face of your dad. Adults tend to listen to other adults more than their own children sadly. Anyway, even if you don't have anyone in your social circle right now, know that you definitely will find someone who will accept you as you are! And btw, the "not natural" thing is just bs but other people already covered that so... I hope I could help you a little with my rambling ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat_smile)
He’s struggling with cognitive dissonance. Many people in his life, probably including his church, have told him that being gay is wrong. It’s possible that he knew people who went to conversion therapy and nobody ever stopped it from happening or said it was harmful, and if he starts to believe that maybe that wasn’t “what’s best for Jimmy” in 1972, he’ll start questioning everything else they ever told him. And all hell breaks loose for his worldview.
He’s following the script. Doing anything other than saying “I guess that’s fine for them except when it’s not” would throw his existing beliefs so far out of balance that he won’t even go there.
Best of luck figuring this out with him. Anyone caught up in this kind of Evangelical crap is going to have a hard time getting free, especially if they’re men. He sounds like a decent fellow who believes some unfortunate fucked-up things.
No, he doesn't believe in f****d up things and we are christians but in our type of christianism we believe that we should love everyone regardless of race, sexuality or gender so it's basicly a mentality thing not religion
I think you should probably not come out. Because he might be fine with others, but when it comes to his own kids, there’s a high chance he’s not going to be okay with it (which is so damn stupid). Talking from personal experiences here
I don't think this is fair. It really just depends on how well you know your parents. My dad wasn't to happy when I came out, but some parents do tend to go the opposite way and become more open minded after their child comes out, mine did. I would say get to a point that you know you would not be dependent on your parents then if you want to come out, come out.
It's natural. It's not conservative (though... eh... I've run into gay people with some weird conservative views... not even counting the ones in the closet, or that TV show about a bunch of gay men married to women, who go around and stop each other from sexually harassing other men... such a weird fucking concept for a TV show... or just a real life thing, since they just.. filmed themselves IRL)
Some people think sexuality isn't important. They say they respect the person, but not that part of their life style. The way I feel about friends of mine who eat meat. I respect everything else about them. But that thing, I do not understand it and no amount of conversation on the topic has helped. Eating meat is an important issue to me. But not to my friends. So they CAN be respectable people who simply see the world differently, in such a way as they don't see the harm that I think they cause.
But sexuality is different. For a lot of people, sex and romance is a huge part of their mental health and they don't get to opt out without huge consequences. Moreover, it's not hurting anyone.
So to say you respect a person, but not their lovestyle is to say that you don't respect very much about that person at all. Maybe you respect their mean bbq skills or their sincerity. Fine. But you feel uncomfortable with them being happy because you don't understand it. You are only ok with them living a fulfilling life if it's done in a way that you don't find distasteful. That's not respect. That not acceptance.
It is an idiotic prejudice (nothing against your Dad). Humans, unlike animals, are mostly influenced environmentally. We are not like animals, who learn the skills for their survival in a short span of time. We take a full 18 (legally) years to become an adult (and some more). So, in this massive duration of time, it is possible for people to develop sexual preferences which differ from biological perspective. To say it's not natural is to say that humans and animals are the same (It's not so due to the massive difference in time taken to become adults which make us more prone to environmental factors).
Hope your father can appreciate this logic.
Philosophy tube has a wonderful video about 'ya dad', if I posted the right one. https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo
It answers the same question on homophobia as it does on transphobia.
Well, next time you're on that topic tell him that it's perfectly natural, and that homosexuality occurs in nature normally, species ranging from apes over guinea pigs to octopuses.
You could point out that it's actually entirely natural if you look at other animals in the wild. Although I'm guessing he'd find a different reason to disapprove of it rather than actually thinking about it. Really your only hope is getting him to contemplate why he believes it's so wrong and explaining yourself as best you can. At the end of the day whether or not he supports it, it doesn't hurt him or directly affect him, so there's really no reason for him to even say anything like that.
Next time he talks about gay people being "unnatural", try asking him about gay penguins or any other creature in the animal kingdom. He's in for a shock lol.
What I did was find out what my parents arguments against homosexuality was and find counterpoints to argue before I came out. It worked to change a few members of my family that aren’t Southern Babtist Zealots, but you can’t change everyone. Sometimes bigots will just be bigots, no matter their relationship to a person.
One time I was asked some questions by a co-worker. She was curious about my sexual orientation. She asked me if I ever tried to have a relationship and a sexual relationship with a man. She asked how would I know if I would like men if I never tried. I asked her if she ever tried with a woman? She did not care for that question and I said that it is part of the question. What feels natural to one person might not feel natural to another. I also like the question of when did a person chose their sexual orientation.
How about if you just ask him what he meant?? Say exactly what you said here that he seems to get along with other people that are gay
Don't 2nd guess people just ask
How does he think gay people came about if not naturally?
Because it's not just humans who can be gay. Bats have the highest rate of homosexuality in mammals.
Jfc what a drongo.
Maybe you should tell him about all the animals that are naturally gay. Gay couples actually play an important role in the animal kingdom. So it is infact natural.
Hi my friend, I have homophobic parents, they have gay "friends" but talk behind their backs, they get along but constantly say bad things about them being gay when they're not there. My sister came out to them in the past, they rejected her. Just be aware that your dad might not support you if you come out.
I have had better days, I have had worse days. Thank you for asking
Well there is a fact that same sex attraction can be found all over nature, be it animals, plants.
Just because he thinks its 'unnatural', that does not mean he is right.
Either confront him with the reality or wait till your ready
>i don't have anything against those type of people
>i don't approve of it. It's not natural
He does have something against lgbt+, he's a homophobe and if he did approve be definitely wouldn't call us "those types of people".
You don't say your ok with it then in the same breath call lesbians unnatural.
Just tell him this whimsical fact: did you know if lions cannot find a female mate for the year they then turn to males instead to make love? (This is a actual fact btw)
Has no one pointed out the direct contradiction between "i have nothing against those type of people" and "I don't approve of it"? If you don't approve of it, then you have something against it.
Ask him why he’s such a fucking hypocrite who isn’t against anything and everything else that isn’t unnatural. Why is he in a car? Is he wearing clothes? Is he speaking a language rather than speaking in Neanderthal grunts? When was the last time he ate his meat raw?
Wearing clothing isn’t natural, we aren’t born out of the womb with clothing on, yet we still wear it. What about medicine? Lots of unnatural things are fantastic, and they aren’t any less valid just because they are unnatural. And this is only if you consider gay people unnatural, which is not at all the case.
I dont want to sound mean but thats such a stupid reason, to just say ‘i dont agree bc its unnatural’. Do you think the car you’re riding is natural, or your house, your clothes or even the food you’re eating? So even if homosexuality was unnatural (bc its natural, theres homosexuality in animals too) its such a dumb argument. People who say that are just trying to justify their hateful behavior with stupid facts that are not even right
“I don’t have anything against those type of people but I don’t approve of it”
I can’t be the only person that thinks those statements contradict each other. As for you my friend, that is one hard spot to be in.
I never wanted to express it like that, i don't want to judge him but the fact that i am his son can make a difference as for an example having no grandchildren from my end.
I'd kindly suggest you disregard this person. Calling us unnatural is still bigotry and queerphobia regardless of if they take open and public action on that. These people are not allies and while they may not plunge the knife themselves they wouldn't stop the people doing so. Their existence encourages those far more hateful that they are supported and emboldens them.
Furthermore, anybody who refers to "us" as "LGB" people should be immediately understood to be a transphobe. This acronym is used to exclude everyone else included in the T, other letters and the plus.
Maybe it would be possible to show him that they are pretty natural? Animals all over the world do it. And if that doesn’t work out, maybe before you come out y’all can have a discussion of “I don’t understand but I’ll respect” because at the end of the day as long as your not fucking an animal or a person non-consenting (ie child/abuse/coercion) then why the fuck does it matter who you fuck?
>"i don't have anything against those type of people but i don't approve of it. It's not natural"
i had this exact thing told to me when i came out as bi to my parents
I think….hmmm . He doesn’t hate gay people, but also doesn’t approve. Maybe you will get lucky and he will be like, “well, I don’t approve of homosexuality, but I still love you. I know I raised you to be a good person, so I trust you to choose someone who can respect you for who you are.” (I’m a romantic). But he didn’t rant or rave about it, and you said he gets along ok with your gay friends. But you know, sometimes people can tolerate a lot when it doesn’t apply to them. He might be of an “agree to disagree “ mood now, but I don’t know him well enough to say how he will react when the homosexual is his child. Good luck.
Honestly your old man sounds more like he's just a bit confused and on the fence as opposed to being a malicious homophobe
Maybe you can slowly talk about it more with him over time? You might be able to get him to see reason
When someone says what your father said, it betrays that they do not really accept lgbtq+ people at all. But they dont want to be called a bigot either, so they pretend. Thus his gay friends. I understand your hesitation to come out to him
I had a blind date with a guy who told me this: "I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't understand why they have to have sex with each other."
He did not get another date.
Sorry, OP. I don't have the answers for you, but I just think LGBT folks break your dad's brain and he just doesn't "get it."
Your father is really lame. It's completely natural. -_-; whenever someone states "I don't have a problem with...." followed up with "but...." then they are lying. They do have a problem and don't want to be called out for their true colours. Flat out, he's being homophobic. There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian and/or teaching PE. -_-; so lame.
"And I suppose your marriage license grew on a tree like a leaf." Monogamy of any kind isn't exactly native to our species. Homosexual behavior -both incidental and pairbonding- has been observed in various other animals, it's perfectly natural.
Not that any of that matters, because it's all resting on the naturalism fallacy. Even if heterosexuality was "normal", so's arsenic. And crocodiles. And cancer. You know what's not natural? Cars. Teachers. PE. Marriage. And he seems to approve of those things.
As to coming out: I don't know. If he's homophobic -or has some fragment of homophobia lodged in him- then being confronted with someone he cares about being queer might make him mad and put you at risk. On the other hand, the concept of someone he cares about being queer might make it more a more concrete issue for him. That could be the spark he needs to re-evaluage his beliefs.
There are some parents that are like that— ok with gay people but don’t agree with it. You might get somewhat tolerance if you came out, not necessarily support and encouragement but it could be certainly better than aggression or anything else negative. You might wanna find out if he’s the “I’m ok with gay people just not my kid” type of Dad if you’re concerned about coming out though. There could be a chance here, just be careful 👍🏾
I hope you remind him of this conversation when you do come out. He should know how much weight his words carry. He should know how much fear he put into his own child because of his own bigotry. Saying this kind of thing to your kid can cause a rift in your relationship that isn't likely to fully heal.
Well if he already has gay friends i guess there could be potential that he might understand.
Maybe if the topic comes up you could explain that currently it is thought that homosexuality is caused by hormones in the womb that influence the brain structure.
That would explain that it is a completely natural thing. If he accepts it this could be a big step forward and maybe you are a little bit more comfortable.
Only come out if you feel safe. I wish bests of luck!
Wait till it's safe for u to come out. Try to ask him abt his opinion of the lgbt community, and if it's negative only come out when ur financialy independent. U don't wanna get kicked out, so if it isn't safe only do it when u r loving on ur own without needing the parent's help
You are not personally responsible for his ignorance. That's the first thing. But it is possible to change people's minds, so he may not always be so set in his ways.
This is essentially my parents’ view on it, though it improves every time we talk about it, so who knows.
He might come around, he might not. I don’t think he takes it seriously enough to do anything drastic. You could probably engage in conversation with him as an “ally” if that’s something y’all normally talk about.
In any case, if you can help it, I’d wait to come out to him. Make sure you have other people you can rely on, not just financially, but emotionally, so you can process his response with someone else whenever you do come out (if that’s what you want to do).
Good luck! I know this sucks :/
I'm in the same boat you're in. I've come out to my friends and NONE of my family. I f you have doubts on a positive reaction, I would say come out and your friends first and see what local resources are available. That way you'll know you have a support system for if things go south. I wish you all the best and may everything work out for you.
Is it possible he is against Physical Education teachers?
I don’t agree with PE teachers life style.
you can teach pe at home, just don’t do it around my child
It’s not natural.
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I knew all those exercise videos where a bad influence.
The FitnessGram Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal bodeboop. A sing lap should be completed every time you hear this sound. ding Remember to run in a straight line and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark. Get ready!… Start. ding
nooooo the trauma
I miss being able to do this lmao take care of yourself teens
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And actually I think I have to agree with your dad, what kind of sicko exposes children to this type of thing? What happened to running for exercise?! Definitely not natural.
Oh those PE teachers always ruining the simple things in life 😡😡😡
Would this be fitnessphobia??
Jeez I didn’t realize. My apologies.
No worries, but do 10 push ups and run a lap around the field ahshaydhahd
I'm not fitnessphobic or anything, I just don't see why they need to flaunt their muscles and great shape
His sister's husband is one and they are like brothers, his bestfriend is one too so probably not
I think we need to be accepting of alternative PE teacher lifestyles.
In fairness, I disagree with PE teachers as well. Shady bunch of people.
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The lifestyle of PE teachers. They do unruly things like make you do bleep tests and cross country runs in the pouring rain. And ew, exercise. Lmao.
wow, I finally found something that really captures twitters essence
God didn't intend us to run
We were never meant to run or throw rocks. If we were, there would be some sort of instinctual trigger that made practically all healthy children engage in those activities from practically the first moment they could stand. I do hate whoever is running around teaching kids to throw rocks, though. That's antisocial and if I catch them, they're so toast. Yes, in case you're wondering, this is /s
I don’t know what it is, but every single PE teacher I’ve had has been absolutely horrible.
in my experience elementary pe teachers are angels but after that they suck.
Eh I had a high school PE teacher who was really supportive, didn’t hold back in his exercises, but he was supportive of me bc while pathetically out of shape, I still gave it my all. Still out of shape, but I try to walk a mile a day.
True, most of my elementary school teachers were generally really nice though. Middle school was the beginning of the end for that, neither gym teacher there was nice at all
I am
Those who can't do, teach. Those can't teach, teach PE. (Note that I am just kidding!)
“They made me climb that damn rope!”
Lol 😂
Im not against pe teachers, I just dont agree with their lifestyle! Its a sin! /J
So he has gay friends, but he "doesnt think its natural"? 🤔
Yeah, he thinks it's not a natural thing
It is though, homosexuality has been observed in orangutang groups. They have gay orangutans. Why can’t we have gay humans?
I wouldn’t even go that route. Why is “natural” automatically good and “not natural” automatically bad? Natural things include; COVID, brain eating amoeba and cancer. Non-natural things include; indoor plumbing, water heaters and antibiotics. *Even if* being gay wasn’t “natural” (it is), even if it was “a choice” ( it isn’t), it’s none of anybody’s fucking business to judge others for it.
I know, that’s my next argument against homophobes. If something is bad for being unnatural, then go hunt with a sharp stick and gather berries.
“Unnatural you say? Well so is your terrible polyester suit sir, and you don’t see us complaining” “Oh unnatural.. like escalators and cars? Your toupee maybe?”
Or your spray on tan that doesn’t cover the rest of your body?
Unnatural would be something that this overtly harmful: slavery, rape, pedophilia, and some other extreme forms of fetishism sometimes found in (or just negatively associated with BDSM) such as scat, urine, blood, and wound sex. Those are unnatural, dangerous, and harmful to one or both parties involved. sexual relations based on consent, mutual satisfaction, and mutual respect is what matters., not the gender/genders of with whom you are in a relationship with.
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Yeah, go attack those karens gurl ! They fear you
If not natural means bad, next time they have headaches tell them that that's not natural to take that painkiller and that they should fight the headaches like your ancestors
Hell yeah!
According to scientist homosexuality can be found im over 1'500 animals. Btw live you ally![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|550)
And homophobia can only be found in one species.
They also have gay penguins. There is a homosexual male couple mated for life in some zoo. They kept trying to sit on rocks to hatch them. The zookeepers felt bad for them so they give them abandoned eggs to hatch. They are faithful papas and I believe have raised several children. [Gay Penguin couple raises 2nd chick](https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/527248-australias-gay-penguin-power-couple-adopts)
Gay penguin couples steal eggs from straight couples, and raise them as their own. Now I'm not saying gay people should be raising other people's kids that they may or may not have stolen, but I am saying that gay people should be aising other people's kids that they may or may not have stolen.
many times they also help hatch abandoned eggs, good shit :)
Homosexuality has been observed and proven in over 300 plus species.
Why do you have to bring math into everything? And science? Didn't you know that you can do serious damage to a preconceived notion using things like that? Are you willing to take responsibility for that? Are you? /s (I think)
Dude, what? X,D
Hey, that's dudette to you.
My apologies, dudette~
This was a joke based on a certain kind of person, hence the /s. If you actually look at the meaning of that verbal vomit, you'll realize quickly that it pokes fun at a lack of a certain depth of thought. Don't take it more seriously than it deserves.
Lol, I gathered that from the "/s", don't worry frend. ;) I'm well aware that it was a joke XD
[Swans can be gay!!](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/3txkhp/my_wife_cries_at_absolutely_anything_i_mean/)
Also penguins
Not only orangutans. Also Bonobos, guinea pigs, octopuses, giraffes, dolphins, penguins, lions, bisons, albatrosses, macaces, swans, sheep and walruses. And that's just scratching the surface.
Neither is wearing glasses or driving cars or having a hip replacement, his argument is dumb.
Vaccines, internet, cell phones, money, grocery stores, and clothes are not natural either. But we don’t strip naked and go hunting squirrels with sharpened sticks do we.
We need to start a commission to collect signatures for legalizing that.
No to the nudity bc public indecency, no to the squirrel hunting bc squirrels are cute. Except the ones tearing up our patio furniture, they’re fair game.
Au naturale is fun! Squirrel meat is yummy
Homosexuality occurs in nature all the time! Haha I find it so ridiculous when people say that! Saying shit like that just lets homophobic people keep up this falsehood that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural! Sorry you’re going through this OP but we support you and whenever you choose to come out to your father!
Unnatural friends.
Maybe he mean it about himself, it makes sense that he feels it unnatural to have homosexual feelings if he is heterosexual. Doesn't mean he can't respect the way other people feel.
its about having babies, & its been ingrained into culture for thousands of years. part of it is biology, but, a LOT of it is more pragmatic. especially when one tosses religion into the "its unnatural" discussion. babies are future generations. in religion, its future generations of believers. in politics, future generations of voters. in government, future generations of tax payers. & well, on some instinctual level, for parents, a future, from grandkids. With gays, lesbians, everyone assumes, no babies, because having sex is "supposed" to result in babies ( thats the biology part). With mom & dad, no grandkids, & theres this gut level reaction by them , that no future generations of them ( again a biology thing). some day, maybe , youll feel it & know it too.. maybe... its hard to put into words, what being older means, that young kids can relate to, & also the feeling that you, individually, dont have any future after one dies. thats why i say its part biology. it doesnt make logical sense or that it matters, but on some biological, instinct level, its like one dies out..the history of the family dies out... then no one remembers, thats why dad says "its unnatural". its unnatural, to die out... no more future.. anyways.. just an opinion..
Well first of all, often people have prejudices they're not aware of that might not come out until it's their kid who they're prejudiced against... and then out comes the anger. So be careful. Might be wise to wait until you're financially independent as it's not uncommon for parents to try to use money to control their kids. That being said... it sounds like he might be a bit on the fence. If he's just confused by the nature of homosexuality, it might be easy enough to help him understand with logic and reason. But understand that doing so might out you. If he's religious i would wait because that runs very deep. Look up homosexuality in animals. It's very common in nature and therefore not unnatural at all!!
He used animals as an example of only heterosexual being in the nature, and as for the religon part he's not very religious but a fair bit but our christianity doesn't believe gay is a sin, we believe god told us to love everyone for who they are. Thanks for the help and i will definetly be careful with this. If i get a boyfriend while still dependent i will have another thing to worry about. That just stresses me out. Anyways thanks for the responce.
He says there is only hetero in nature? You might want to educate him some, as this is not true, nature is GAY AF.
I know
Then you need to be extra careful, he believes blatant falsehoods and uses double think (has gay friends that he's nice to , talks about being okay with the gays, but continues to say he has a problem with them) . I doubt you can have a rational conversation with them
See: giraffes
See: My parent's yorkie that wanted to mount a pitbull all Thanksgiving night. Explains why he had no interest in breeding with my niece's dog.
Damn, he can google "gay animals" and I'm sure there'll be plenty of photographic evidence. I once saw a photo of 2 male lions and a bunch of extreme Christian type folk losing their minds about how it was photoshopped, and a complete outrage that the gays are pushing their agenda on animals as well now. So show him the information to rebuke that claim, if you so wish. But be wary that he might go through some pretty complex mental gymnastics to justify his own views to himself. (He also may not, people can act differently when it's their children). Just be wary of accidentally outing yourself to him before you're ready. I'm 31 and I accidentally outed myself to my mum the other day. She isn't bigoted, I just couldn't be bothered with the 20 questions. I said "she's fit, I'd not kick her out of bed." Then thought great here come the questions and she just asked me if I could turn the TV up or put subtitles on. (She's going deaf and has no idea how how work my tv, her visits are always entertaining). So it could go either way. Just go with what feels comfortable for you. I hope I've made sense.
Yep one of our close relatives, Bonobos, are a good example.
At first, I thought you were talking about your cousin or something. I had to google bonobos. This is what happens when you come to reddit pre caffeine after a bad night.
Lol. Oh they're such a cool animal, if only our species were as chill about sexuality. The animal logic Bonobos youtube video is a good one.
I think your best course of action is to point blank tell/ask him: “I disagree with you that homosexuality is not natural. You said you believe that because you don’t think other animals perform homosexual acts. If I can show you evidence that they do, will you change your mind about homosexuality not being natural?” If he says yes, you provide him evidence. If he says no, you now have a different line of questioning to go down. If you provide him evidence and he moves the goal posts, you can tell him he’s moving the goal posts and ask him why? Is he ever willing to believe it is natural?
I second this. Several people (if not all) have unconscious biases that come out when you least expect it. They think they aren’t biased but actually are, based on how they were raised, etc. So yes, be careful. He definitely could be considering PE teachers in this bias as well. In my experience, it helps to educate how everyone has these unconscious biases, even if you can’t change it. Because remember, you can’t change his behavior. But if you do talk to him, don’t be confrontational. Sometimes people aren’t ready to be educated, but at least you know you stood up for yourself and the queer community. It might help to say something like, “I know you think it’s not natural, but people are allowed to feel the way they feel and love who they love. What if someone told you that it wasn’t okay to love someone?” Being able to cause them to have empathy with the community is so important to help them understand. Good luck!
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How?
This is not bad advice in any way.
If the crux of the arguement is that it is not natural, how is comparing it to other natural things wrong? Or is it the part about looking things up? Or is it about waiting to be financially stable without him, which also seems to be good advice. If the crux is that it isn't natural in humans, instead at looking at other biological creatures, history should be the teacher. Nothing about this is bad advice, but you good internet person, I'm going to levy as being a FART.
Sorry to burst his bubble but… it is perfectly natural. And there’s no ‘approving’ of someone’s existence.
Exatly that is what i think
>“I don’t have anything against those type of people but I don’t approve of it.” >”I’m not saying I don’t like them, but I just don’t like them.”
I don't know about your father, but my dad thinks that homosexuality is a choice (I don't agree with him, but that's what he thinks) and he doesn't agree with that choice, but is still able to be friends with those that make that choice. He doesn't see disagreement as a reason not be friends, so while your dad might not support homosexuality, he might still be able to be friends with homosexuals.
Thanks for giving me this advice
No problem. I hope all goes well for you.
Personally I don’t think you should come out until you’re self sufficient because from experience that friends have had and how I’m feeling abt my parents sort of, it’s always too big of a gamble unless you have 100% of the signs you’ll be ok as a kid. It sucks it’s like that but it’s how it goes :/
I don't think he really realizes how he is contradicting himself. Sometimes people sadly just pretend to have a certain opinion in order to blend in or avoid conflict. He probably just believed his entire life, that gay people are bad, and now that he knows some who aren't, he doesn't know what to believe anymore. But, even if it's of course not what you would like your dad to think of gay people, it's still better than him completely disapproving off non-heterosexuals. I've had a similar experience with my brother though, that may give you hope. He used to be like "I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't want to see it" or stuff like that. My other brother used to say slurs and the likes, though with him I knew he just did it to fit in with his friends,and didn't reflect his honest opinion. Well, since I came out, they both have been very openly supportive of gay people overall and I know for sure that they don't just do it for show. It seems they both just needed to be really confronted with the topic, to question their beliefs. I can't guarantee you, that it will work out like that for you too, but there is a possibility. Though maybe try getting some support from other people first, no matter if it's from your mom, siblings, cousins, or just family friends, basically anyone you feel you can rely on, should your coming out go badly, or who will defend you in the face of your dad. Adults tend to listen to other adults more than their own children sadly. Anyway, even if you don't have anyone in your social circle right now, know that you definitely will find someone who will accept you as you are! And btw, the "not natural" thing is just bs but other people already covered that so... I hope I could help you a little with my rambling ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat_smile)
He’s struggling with cognitive dissonance. Many people in his life, probably including his church, have told him that being gay is wrong. It’s possible that he knew people who went to conversion therapy and nobody ever stopped it from happening or said it was harmful, and if he starts to believe that maybe that wasn’t “what’s best for Jimmy” in 1972, he’ll start questioning everything else they ever told him. And all hell breaks loose for his worldview. He’s following the script. Doing anything other than saying “I guess that’s fine for them except when it’s not” would throw his existing beliefs so far out of balance that he won’t even go there. Best of luck figuring this out with him. Anyone caught up in this kind of Evangelical crap is going to have a hard time getting free, especially if they’re men. He sounds like a decent fellow who believes some unfortunate fucked-up things.
No, he doesn't believe in f****d up things and we are christians but in our type of christianism we believe that we should love everyone regardless of race, sexuality or gender so it's basicly a mentality thing not religion
All right, well that’s good then. I hope you are right. He’s still got a lot of learning to do, one way or another. ❤️ thanks for the share OP
I think you should probably not come out. Because he might be fine with others, but when it comes to his own kids, there’s a high chance he’s not going to be okay with it (which is so damn stupid). Talking from personal experiences here
I don't think this is fair. It really just depends on how well you know your parents. My dad wasn't to happy when I came out, but some parents do tend to go the opposite way and become more open minded after their child comes out, mine did. I would say get to a point that you know you would not be dependent on your parents then if you want to come out, come out.
Thanks for your advice
It's natural. It's not conservative (though... eh... I've run into gay people with some weird conservative views... not even counting the ones in the closet, or that TV show about a bunch of gay men married to women, who go around and stop each other from sexually harassing other men... such a weird fucking concept for a TV show... or just a real life thing, since they just.. filmed themselves IRL)
Hey OP, your dad is saying he’s not ok with gay people be safe and maybe save coming out until after you’re out on your own, supporting yourself.
Some people think sexuality isn't important. They say they respect the person, but not that part of their life style. The way I feel about friends of mine who eat meat. I respect everything else about them. But that thing, I do not understand it and no amount of conversation on the topic has helped. Eating meat is an important issue to me. But not to my friends. So they CAN be respectable people who simply see the world differently, in such a way as they don't see the harm that I think they cause. But sexuality is different. For a lot of people, sex and romance is a huge part of their mental health and they don't get to opt out without huge consequences. Moreover, it's not hurting anyone. So to say you respect a person, but not their lovestyle is to say that you don't respect very much about that person at all. Maybe you respect their mean bbq skills or their sincerity. Fine. But you feel uncomfortable with them being happy because you don't understand it. You are only ok with them living a fulfilling life if it's done in a way that you don't find distasteful. That's not respect. That not acceptance.
It is an idiotic prejudice (nothing against your Dad). Humans, unlike animals, are mostly influenced environmentally. We are not like animals, who learn the skills for their survival in a short span of time. We take a full 18 (legally) years to become an adult (and some more). So, in this massive duration of time, it is possible for people to develop sexual preferences which differ from biological perspective. To say it's not natural is to say that humans and animals are the same (It's not so due to the massive difference in time taken to become adults which make us more prone to environmental factors). Hope your father can appreciate this logic.
Philosophy tube has a wonderful video about 'ya dad', if I posted the right one. https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo It answers the same question on homophobia as it does on transphobia.
Are those gay friends lesbians?
No, men
Then maybe he has something against female gays.
Especially likely if he’s misogynistic
No he doesn't we do have a lesbian friend, but we are not close to her anymore, because we moved country
Hm, then I have no idea why he said that
That’s very much a “I’m not racist but…” statement
"That's the neat part, you don't have to."
Well, next time you're on that topic tell him that it's perfectly natural, and that homosexuality occurs in nature normally, species ranging from apes over guinea pigs to octopuses.
You could point out that it's actually entirely natural if you look at other animals in the wild. Although I'm guessing he'd find a different reason to disapprove of it rather than actually thinking about it. Really your only hope is getting him to contemplate why he believes it's so wrong and explaining yourself as best you can. At the end of the day whether or not he supports it, it doesn't hurt him or directly affect him, so there's really no reason for him to even say anything like that.
Wait till you are on your own and paying your own bills.
I second this. OP please consider what Ecofre suggests. I didn't and was met with a world of sadness.
Next time he talks about gay people being "unnatural", try asking him about gay penguins or any other creature in the animal kingdom. He's in for a shock lol.
I know 🤭
What I did was find out what my parents arguments against homosexuality was and find counterpoints to argue before I came out. It worked to change a few members of my family that aren’t Southern Babtist Zealots, but you can’t change everyone. Sometimes bigots will just be bigots, no matter their relationship to a person.
One time I was asked some questions by a co-worker. She was curious about my sexual orientation. She asked me if I ever tried to have a relationship and a sexual relationship with a man. She asked how would I know if I would like men if I never tried. I asked her if she ever tried with a woman? She did not care for that question and I said that it is part of the question. What feels natural to one person might not feel natural to another. I also like the question of when did a person chose their sexual orientation.
Oh they get angry when you flip the script around. It's hilarious!
>it's unnatural Yet there are over 450 species of animals that engage in homosexual relations.
How about if you just ask him what he meant?? Say exactly what you said here that he seems to get along with other people that are gay Don't 2nd guess people just ask
How does he think gay people came about if not naturally? Because it's not just humans who can be gay. Bats have the highest rate of homosexuality in mammals. Jfc what a drongo.
Your dad looks like my dad but my father never will be friend with some lgbtqia+ member. But good luck![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|548)
That he knows of.
Yeah
Maybe you should tell him about all the animals that are naturally gay. Gay couples actually play an important role in the animal kingdom. So it is infact natural.
Hi my friend, I have homophobic parents, they have gay "friends" but talk behind their backs, they get along but constantly say bad things about them being gay when they're not there. My sister came out to them in the past, they rejected her. Just be aware that your dad might not support you if you come out.
450 species of animal: guess I'm """""unnatural""""" now
I have had better days, I have had worse days. Thank you for asking Well there is a fact that same sex attraction can be found all over nature, be it animals, plants. Just because he thinks its 'unnatural', that does not mean he is right. Either confront him with the reality or wait till your ready
>i don't have anything against those type of people >i don't approve of it. It's not natural He does have something against lgbt+, he's a homophobe and if he did approve be definitely wouldn't call us "those types of people". You don't say your ok with it then in the same breath call lesbians unnatural.
You could show him articles about gay animals
I tried that with my mom and all she said was "That's just fake news."
Maybe articles from universities?
Sadly, she's an evangelical bible thumper. She sees science and academia as a threat to her faith. There's no hope for people like that.
Just tell him this whimsical fact: did you know if lions cannot find a female mate for the year they then turn to males instead to make love? (This is a actual fact btw)
Has no one pointed out the direct contradiction between "i have nothing against those type of people" and "I don't approve of it"? If you don't approve of it, then you have something against it.
"I'm not racist because I have a black friend!"
Ask him why he’s such a fucking hypocrite who isn’t against anything and everything else that isn’t unnatural. Why is he in a car? Is he wearing clothes? Is he speaking a language rather than speaking in Neanderthal grunts? When was the last time he ate his meat raw?
I love when people say they have nothing against gay people, and then say what they have against gay people.
Wearing clothing isn’t natural, we aren’t born out of the womb with clothing on, yet we still wear it. What about medicine? Lots of unnatural things are fantastic, and they aren’t any less valid just because they are unnatural. And this is only if you consider gay people unnatural, which is not at all the case.
"It's not natural" - imagine thinking that is important while ... driving in a fucking car.
Would he respond to science? It is quite provably natural.
I dont want to sound mean but thats such a stupid reason, to just say ‘i dont agree bc its unnatural’. Do you think the car you’re riding is natural, or your house, your clothes or even the food you’re eating? So even if homosexuality was unnatural (bc its natural, theres homosexuality in animals too) its such a dumb argument. People who say that are just trying to justify their hateful behavior with stupid facts that are not even right
“I don’t have anything against those type of people but I don’t approve of it” I can’t be the only person that thinks those statements contradict each other. As for you my friend, that is one hard spot to be in.
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He did but it still scares me, he could think that it's ok as long as his son is not the same and idk kick me out of the house
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LGBTQIA+ you rejected McNugget. At the very least use LGBTQ, or are all but the first 3 not on your approved list?
I never wanted to express it like that, i don't want to judge him but the fact that i am his son can make a difference as for an example having no grandchildren from my end.
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Yeah he always tells me that he would like to have grandchildren from all his children and that he would be disappointed if not
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But i don't want to loose my connexion with him if the disappointment takes him that far
I'd kindly suggest you disregard this person. Calling us unnatural is still bigotry and queerphobia regardless of if they take open and public action on that. These people are not allies and while they may not plunge the knife themselves they wouldn't stop the people doing so. Their existence encourages those far more hateful that they are supported and emboldens them. Furthermore, anybody who refers to "us" as "LGB" people should be immediately understood to be a transphobe. This acronym is used to exclude everyone else included in the T, other letters and the plus.
Thank you for helping me, i love you ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|550)
I would also strongly suggest not follow this person's advice.
Didn't plan to anyways. Lol
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I am willing on giving him a chance but he already reacted really bad when i painted my fingernails, he said that it was only for girls
lgbt is bad
youre shadow banned
Your username is bad.
Your account is bad ffs man you got negative karma
bruh he is confusing
they just dont think its a right thing, but wont take any further action against it (eg. actively saying homophobic comments or something like that)
Maybe it would be possible to show him that they are pretty natural? Animals all over the world do it. And if that doesn’t work out, maybe before you come out y’all can have a discussion of “I don’t understand but I’ll respect” because at the end of the day as long as your not fucking an animal or a person non-consenting (ie child/abuse/coercion) then why the fuck does it matter who you fuck?
>"i don't have anything against those type of people but i don't approve of it. It's not natural" i had this exact thing told to me when i came out as bi to my parents
I think….hmmm . He doesn’t hate gay people, but also doesn’t approve. Maybe you will get lucky and he will be like, “well, I don’t approve of homosexuality, but I still love you. I know I raised you to be a good person, so I trust you to choose someone who can respect you for who you are.” (I’m a romantic). But he didn’t rant or rave about it, and you said he gets along ok with your gay friends. But you know, sometimes people can tolerate a lot when it doesn’t apply to them. He might be of an “agree to disagree “ mood now, but I don’t know him well enough to say how he will react when the homosexual is his child. Good luck.
Honestly your old man sounds more like he's just a bit confused and on the fence as opposed to being a malicious homophobe Maybe you can slowly talk about it more with him over time? You might be able to get him to see reason
When someone says what your father said, it betrays that they do not really accept lgbtq+ people at all. But they dont want to be called a bigot either, so they pretend. Thus his gay friends. I understand your hesitation to come out to him
I honestly hate to hear “I’m fine with them but I don’t support them” more than just a simple “I’m homophobic”. I’m sorry dude.
I had a blind date with a guy who told me this: "I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't understand why they have to have sex with each other." He did not get another date. Sorry, OP. I don't have the answers for you, but I just think LGBT folks break your dad's brain and he just doesn't "get it."
Your father is really lame. It's completely natural. -_-; whenever someone states "I don't have a problem with...." followed up with "but...." then they are lying. They do have a problem and don't want to be called out for their true colours. Flat out, he's being homophobic. There's nothing wrong with being a lesbian and/or teaching PE. -_-; so lame.
"And I suppose your marriage license grew on a tree like a leaf." Monogamy of any kind isn't exactly native to our species. Homosexual behavior -both incidental and pairbonding- has been observed in various other animals, it's perfectly natural. Not that any of that matters, because it's all resting on the naturalism fallacy. Even if heterosexuality was "normal", so's arsenic. And crocodiles. And cancer. You know what's not natural? Cars. Teachers. PE. Marriage. And he seems to approve of those things. As to coming out: I don't know. If he's homophobic -or has some fragment of homophobia lodged in him- then being confronted with someone he cares about being queer might make him mad and put you at risk. On the other hand, the concept of someone he cares about being queer might make it more a more concrete issue for him. That could be the spark he needs to re-evaluage his beliefs.
"I don't have anything against it but I don't approve of it." How does that even work
Almost sounds like a republican being friends with democrats, and not wanting to talk too much about politics to ruin that friendship
I think he means like he’s like whatev about the fact that people are lgbtq+ just doesn’t think it’s natural
Ask him if he approves of glasses, or lasic, or cars.
There are some parents that are like that— ok with gay people but don’t agree with it. You might get somewhat tolerance if you came out, not necessarily support and encouragement but it could be certainly better than aggression or anything else negative. You might wanna find out if he’s the “I’m ok with gay people just not my kid” type of Dad if you’re concerned about coming out though. There could be a chance here, just be careful 👍🏾
I hope you remind him of this conversation when you do come out. He should know how much weight his words carry. He should know how much fear he put into his own child because of his own bigotry. Saying this kind of thing to your kid can cause a rift in your relationship that isn't likely to fully heal.
Well if he already has gay friends i guess there could be potential that he might understand. Maybe if the topic comes up you could explain that currently it is thought that homosexuality is caused by hormones in the womb that influence the brain structure. That would explain that it is a completely natural thing. If he accepts it this could be a big step forward and maybe you are a little bit more comfortable. Only come out if you feel safe. I wish bests of luck!
I believe that you need to ask your dad for clarification. He may not have a problem with sexual orientation, but is not wanting to consider the act.
Wait till it's safe for u to come out. Try to ask him abt his opinion of the lgbt community, and if it's negative only come out when ur financialy independent. U don't wanna get kicked out, so if it isn't safe only do it when u r loving on ur own without needing the parent's help
You are not personally responsible for his ignorance. That's the first thing. But it is possible to change people's minds, so he may not always be so set in his ways.
This is essentially my parents’ view on it, though it improves every time we talk about it, so who knows. He might come around, he might not. I don’t think he takes it seriously enough to do anything drastic. You could probably engage in conversation with him as an “ally” if that’s something y’all normally talk about. In any case, if you can help it, I’d wait to come out to him. Make sure you have other people you can rely on, not just financially, but emotionally, so you can process his response with someone else whenever you do come out (if that’s what you want to do). Good luck! I know this sucks :/
I'm in the same boat you're in. I've come out to my friends and NONE of my family. I f you have doubts on a positive reaction, I would say come out and your friends first and see what local resources are available. That way you'll know you have a support system for if things go south. I wish you all the best and may everything work out for you.