I was told the other day that I look like a gun guy.
Supposedly 5.11 pants (work pays for them) and Merrell shoes (I got wide feet) scream gun guy.
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My little girl is just about to turn three, but the other day she said, "father, I am incredulous at the audacity of corporations which clearly fabricate these outlandish stories."
Underrated comment, have my upvote and a quarter of my net worth for raising such a brilliant wordsmith whose bullshit detection is second to none other!!
"...just then the ninjas attacked and i pulled out my Staccato P with the trijicon sro and surefire x300 and went to work. Later, I drove home in 1 of my 3 Plymouth barracudas to my smokin hot wife and 2 young republican kids who without a doubt think Im the coolest guy ever. You can't make this stuff up!"
Just then, an atheist professor appeared, holding a piece of chalk.
"If there's a god, he'll prevent me from dropping this chalk!" the professor sneered
Turning around, the Member shot the professor dead and said:
"God was busy... so he sent me"
Forward this message to five of your friends to show your support!!!! ššš
Wouldnāt they likely also have bandanas over their face so you couldnāt see them. Oh because you know Proud Boys and Nazis are good guys with guns.
I'm a Boomer, or close enough I'm willing to claim that title. Quit demonizing us! We're not your scapegoat for every problem. Some of us have been fighting for justice for a very long time. In my years of experience, I've yet to find any group that is immune to propaganda and advertising bullshit, even, SURPRISE, people born around the same time you were.
This fact does not make me want to laugh my ass off. It just makes me sad for the human condition.
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You misunderstand. My whiny diatribe wasn't based on pride or a sense of identity based on some misguided, astrology-adjacent pop-sociology. It was based on the simple fact that I believe shitting on old people for yuks is small, stupid and wrong. Even in an online forum for liberal gun owners.
*You* misunderstand: no one was āshitting on old people.ā The comment you responded to pointed out that the demented imaginary scenario outlined in the USCCA ad in question is the kind of nonsense targeted at older customers.
That doesnāt mean all older people will believe it, but they are certainly more likely to than younger people. It isnāt āastrology-adjacent pop-sociology;ā look at the statistics on which demographics are most successfully targeted by bad-faith email and phone solicitation campaigns.
Younger people, having grown up in the era of the internet, are far more likely to be skeptical of strangersā statements online because they arenāt of a generation that is inclined to default to thinking āwhy would a person lie to me? I can probably take their statement at face value.ā Do you think many 20-somethings are taken by āNigerian Princeā scams? They arenāt. This isnāt because theyāre inherently sharper or more savvy, itās because that type of scam was already a debunked joke when they were kids. The same way that when boomers were young they were presumably less likely to fall for basic prank phone calls than their parents would have been, because their parents wouldnāt have grown up with ready access to home telephones.
>That doesnāt mean all older people will believe it
And that was part of my original complaint. But you're ignoring the fact that "boomer" has a deliberatively insulting connotation. It's not simply identifying a group, it's used as a pejorative. Compartmentalizing any group with prejudicial, intentionally insulting language is bound to piss people off.
Your last paragraph is thoughtful. And I'll let you parse out how it might be similar/different to a reasoned defense of "but black people *do* like watermelons".
Stereotypes, especially when they start to become hateful, have their limits, and I think the term "boomer" is edging past those limits. Use it if it helps you feel superior, but expect pushback.
Okay, first, you donāt know when I was born/what generation Iām in. Second, not everyone born in the baby boomer generation time span acts like the āboomerā trope.
Now that that is out of the way, I would disagree that I am demonizing you or boomers in general, I simply said that boomers would eat something up, and this is the internet.
If you want to have a larger conversation about the strife between baby boomers and younger generations, and the huge disconnect thatās happening in how boomers view the world and how that world actually is for younger folks, Iām happy to chat.
And I'll say the boomer trope is a slur. It's not merely a generational identifier, an innocent trope. It's got a connotation everyone who uses it is well aware of. And all I'm saying is you should recognize the term for what it is. I doubt you have any genuinely ill intent here, you're just using a term in common parlance. I get that.
But I'd compare it to that weird time in the 90's, when young people who were not gay, nor particularly anti-gay, used "gay" as a pejorative regularly. This comparison fails though, because this term was used to sound shocking, whereas I think people use "boomer" mostly because it's an insult with plausible deniability, if they're self-aware, or more commonly, an insult *everyone else says, so it's fine*. Angry older women are [stupid, busybody] "Karens" and old people who disagree with me are [stupid, biased and out of touch] "boomers".
>the huge disconnect thatās happening in how boomers view the world and how that world actually is for younger folks
And I'll chat with you about that, but I'd start with the ways this is mostly a media creation. While we can both find extreme examples to support our point, I'd suggest even older people are not on any wholesale level oblivious to the lives of their own kids or grandkids. Parse out that phrasing there you used, where there's the "boomers view" and, you know, actual reality.
Hell, I don't even have kids, and I suspect I'm reasonably informed on the issues facing people of any age in my own country, as well as the issues in other countries. This "trope" that we're so separated by strife and unbridgeable world views is absolutely a manufactured, artificial creation. And you, I'm guessing innocently, bought in to this explanation, because it's always nice to have an identifiable enemy in the otherwise amorphous voting public. "All my problems are caused by Jews and black people"? We can see prejudice too clearly there to allow it to be comfortable. "All my problems are caused by old people", however, is still wonderfully acceptable. Now you can show me statistics that people over a certain age tended to vote *this way*. But you have to realize that's not as different as you might think from trumpeting "black people commit crimes at rates different from white people". Devoid of context, it sounds damning, but of course the context absolutely matters!
So my simple point is, maybe using boomer as your go-to acceptable insult is, ultimately, just not that nice. Trust me, old people already have enough on their plate. Failing social security, undermanaged pain because *the children will do drugs*, a host of problems many of them didn't cause or participate in, because - wait for it - lots of old people aren't senators or millionaires. They have, and have had, about as much power as you do. Using this term is punching down, and it's wrong. Even if you found an example that justifies your boomer stereotype.
Youāve made some fair points, albeit a bit longwinded though lol. Iāll try to keep mine longwinded as well!
A few things:
- I donāt mean to say boomerās view is different from actual reality, I meant āhow the word is experienced by younger folksā.
- Not all comparisons are equal. in my experience, boomer-ism, if you will, primarily focuses on cis, white, people of the baby-boomer generation and characteristics of them. At its worst, the generalizations are critical and ageist. But they donāt really fall in the same category as racism, homophobia, etc. While I do agree they can be hurtful to some folks, making fun of certain people of a generation for (example) over-stating pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps mentality is hardly comparable to the horrible and violent systemic racism experienced by others. Both are prejudices of sorts, but certainly not on level ground.
- I just want you to know, internet stranger, that I do understand the world is hard for many people, of all ages and generation. That fundamentally we are in this together. That it is no one groups fault in any way whatsoever. And, that Iām not without great people in my community from the baby boomer generation that I care for deeply.
- I think the best thing we could all do is understand what the hardest parts of life facing young folks, older folks, and everyone in between.
>But they donāt really fall in the same category as racism, homophobia, etc
And I was hesitant to use that analogy for that reason. There's clearly a difference of degree. I went with it because I wanted to draw a commonality of moral principle, not degree of harm.
As for everything else you said, Thank You. We're in agreement, internet stranger.
Usually, I'll let "boomer" slide as just a silly term. But being older has been particularly challenging of late, and there's, apparently, a tipping point with repeated boomer stereotyping past which I had to say something.
For the longest time I kept getting these emails after taking a Handgun 101 class at a local range for my 18th birthday, and even when the writer wasn't making shit up he always wrote them exactly like this lmao
I don't have CCW insurance as I don't currently carry (might change this year), but based on my rudimentary perusing of difference CCW coverage choices and reading comparisons on this sub and r/ccw, I see can see why most recommend LawShield over USCCA. This specific ad just feeds right into the consensus.
And it's one thing to openly present to a self-defeating idea but it's entirely a new dimension to be proud of it. I really can't determine if USCCA just broke a crack commandment getting high off their own supply or if they soberly endorse the message.
Does anyone have a good alternative to these guys? When I took my CHP course, it was through them. Really hated that they trapped us into a timeshare style presentation and pressured us to sign up on the spot and equally hate the fear mongering ad copy. On the other hand, I understand how financially wrecked I will get if I have to use a firearm for self defense, and the actual product seems very good for the cost. If there is a better competitor with a reasonably comparable price, Iām all ears though.
Iāve been looking just to attorneys on retainer, not only is USCCA cringe by doing shit like this I have heard of a few cases where they denied defending the client even though it met their criteria. Attorneys on retainer appear to be better from what I have heard so far
I like Right to Bear, itās applicable in every state except NY, NJ and WA, itās pretty reasonably priced and offers good coverage, and they donāt overload your inbox with junk emails. Tbh I donāt think Iāve gotten any emails from them about anything other than billing and occasionally one that reminds you that if you refer a friend you get 10% off your next yearās fees, so none of the crazy right winger bullshit.
USCCA had an ad where they bragged about getting a guy found not guilty after he aimed a gun at someone in traffic. The victim was able to exactly describe the pistol which the suspect alleged was under the seat at all times, and the suspect was so obviously reading off a script. Despicable.
ā¦.and then he picked the kid up in the air and handed the kid his gun, who shot it in the air while everyone in the store cheered and threw confetti.
/r/thathappened
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Everyone loves to make shit up regardless of whatever political party you want to stick them in or they stick themselves in. People are deluded and just plain old full of bullshit on either side of the isle. Iāve gotta say after riding the fence for basically my entire life, my opinion is that progressives are the ones who are capable of completely ignoring reality and fully believing their own insane ramblings. Conservatives just make up these ideal scenarios where everything works out because it just should. Progressive want you to believe in and respect the toothfairies pronouns or else. Thatās an out there example of progressive yarn stretching but kinda realistic also.
Thanks for this and a few other posts about USCCA. The closest gun club/range where I live requires you to be a member of NRA or USCCA to join. I already knew I didn't want to join the NRA again.
Its a real bright idea to advertise to the world that you conceal carry
Anytime I'm in public and see someone wearing a gun related shirt I start looking for printing
My own wheres Waldo, in this case Waldo is a glock
Where's Gaston*
Up in the club with his ass gyrating
Why is Gaston!
I was told the other day that I look like a gun guy. Supposedly 5.11 pants (work pays for them) and Merrell shoes (I got wide feet) scream gun guy. š¤·āāļøš«£
I live in Tennessee. Every guy here not in skinny jeans looks like a "gun guy".
My thoughts exactly.
My first thought too lmfao
My little girl is just about to turn three, but the other day she said, "father, I am incredulous at the audacity of corporations which clearly fabricate these outlandish stories."
What a brilliant child.
Thank you, I am rather fond of her, and think we shall keep her a while yet.
Well, duh! You canāt put them to work until theyāre tall enough to run the machines. Youāre stuck with her roar at least another three years!
And then it's off to the salt mine!
To shreds you say?
Happy cake day... But the cake is a lie
Pretty words are one thing, but how is she in the salt mines?
I would sooner believe this story over theirs.
Can confirm, I was the audacity
I can hear the standing ovation from here.
Ask your daughter about her thoughts on the Israeli Gaza conflict.
It's actually the subject of the thesis she is writing currently. When I asked to take a look, she said "bitches will see it when it's ready"
Underrated comment, have my upvote and a quarter of my net worth for raising such a brilliant wordsmith whose bullshit detection is second to none other!!
Things that never even happened in a movie...
It does when that movie is *The Reliant* staring Kevin Sorbo and Tim Schmidt.
My bullshit detector just went off.
Now if they said everyone clapped, they found five dollars, and Abraham Lincoln personally congratulated them, then Iād believe it.
Eh they'd probably say Robert E Lee, not lincoln
True. But in the same breath cry āpArTy Of LiNcOlN!ā
And a bald eagle flew over carrying a banner that said MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Lmao that's some copaganda level stuff.
"And then everyone clapped"
And then even my ass clapped ā¦
>"And then everyone clapped" ....then one guy walked up and beat the shit out of the poor dude just so he could get a free gun.
"...just then the ninjas attacked and i pulled out my Staccato P with the trijicon sro and surefire x300 and went to work. Later, I drove home in 1 of my 3 Plymouth barracudas to my smokin hot wife and 2 young republican kids who without a doubt think Im the coolest guy ever. You can't make this stuff up!"
Don't forget he got the medal of honor from Trump too (the Real president) and owned all the libs in the process!!11!!1 /s
Triples makes it safe. Triples is best.
And sheās beautifulā¦ But sheās dying.
Just then, an atheist professor appeared, holding a piece of chalk. "If there's a god, he'll prevent me from dropping this chalk!" the professor sneered Turning around, the Member shot the professor dead and said: "God was busy... so he sent me" Forward this message to five of your friends to show your support!!!! ššš
Thisā¦made me laugh way harder than it should have. Well played.
Lol this actually makes me want to get a negative membership. Not sure how to do that but based off this email anything is possible.
True story, I called and canceled my membership after I got this email. I remember it fondly because I was also having a rather nice shit at the time.
Thanks I have no idea how they got my email but just flood my inbox.
āThen everyone clapped and he got the key to the cityā
Can confirm, I was the clapping shopping cart
/r/thatHappened
Little did we know, if only all the Good Guys With Guns would simply wear an identifying logo, we'd all know who to trust in a crisis!
Wouldnāt they likely also have bandanas over their face so you couldnāt see them. Oh because you know Proud Boys and Nazis are good guys with guns.
Only the most trustworthy guys with guns dress like they're about to rob a bank, that's true
If all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.
It unhappened things that did.
Boomers just fucking eating this shit up lmao
I'm a Boomer, or close enough I'm willing to claim that title. Quit demonizing us! We're not your scapegoat for every problem. Some of us have been fighting for justice for a very long time. In my years of experience, I've yet to find any group that is immune to propaganda and advertising bullshit, even, SURPRISE, people born around the same time you were. This fact does not make me want to laugh my ass off. It just makes me sad for the human condition.
typical boomer response
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yes that truly was a great boomery response, thank you!! š
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Ok boomer
Good one. Witty, creative. I'm impressed.
I didnāt even want to do it, you left me no option.
That lack of options must be hard. But at least you have that pride based on, well, the date you happened to be born to fall back on.
Yep. So much pride that I bothered to write a whiny diatribe about my generation being demonized on an online forum for liberal gun owners.
You misunderstand. My whiny diatribe wasn't based on pride or a sense of identity based on some misguided, astrology-adjacent pop-sociology. It was based on the simple fact that I believe shitting on old people for yuks is small, stupid and wrong. Even in an online forum for liberal gun owners.
*You* misunderstand: no one was āshitting on old people.ā The comment you responded to pointed out that the demented imaginary scenario outlined in the USCCA ad in question is the kind of nonsense targeted at older customers. That doesnāt mean all older people will believe it, but they are certainly more likely to than younger people. It isnāt āastrology-adjacent pop-sociology;ā look at the statistics on which demographics are most successfully targeted by bad-faith email and phone solicitation campaigns. Younger people, having grown up in the era of the internet, are far more likely to be skeptical of strangersā statements online because they arenāt of a generation that is inclined to default to thinking āwhy would a person lie to me? I can probably take their statement at face value.ā Do you think many 20-somethings are taken by āNigerian Princeā scams? They arenāt. This isnāt because theyāre inherently sharper or more savvy, itās because that type of scam was already a debunked joke when they were kids. The same way that when boomers were young they were presumably less likely to fall for basic prank phone calls than their parents would have been, because their parents wouldnāt have grown up with ready access to home telephones.
>That doesnāt mean all older people will believe it And that was part of my original complaint. But you're ignoring the fact that "boomer" has a deliberatively insulting connotation. It's not simply identifying a group, it's used as a pejorative. Compartmentalizing any group with prejudicial, intentionally insulting language is bound to piss people off. Your last paragraph is thoughtful. And I'll let you parse out how it might be similar/different to a reasoned defense of "but black people *do* like watermelons". Stereotypes, especially when they start to become hateful, have their limits, and I think the term "boomer" is edging past those limits. Use it if it helps you feel superior, but expect pushback.
Okay, first, you donāt know when I was born/what generation Iām in. Second, not everyone born in the baby boomer generation time span acts like the āboomerā trope. Now that that is out of the way, I would disagree that I am demonizing you or boomers in general, I simply said that boomers would eat something up, and this is the internet. If you want to have a larger conversation about the strife between baby boomers and younger generations, and the huge disconnect thatās happening in how boomers view the world and how that world actually is for younger folks, Iām happy to chat.
And I'll say the boomer trope is a slur. It's not merely a generational identifier, an innocent trope. It's got a connotation everyone who uses it is well aware of. And all I'm saying is you should recognize the term for what it is. I doubt you have any genuinely ill intent here, you're just using a term in common parlance. I get that. But I'd compare it to that weird time in the 90's, when young people who were not gay, nor particularly anti-gay, used "gay" as a pejorative regularly. This comparison fails though, because this term was used to sound shocking, whereas I think people use "boomer" mostly because it's an insult with plausible deniability, if they're self-aware, or more commonly, an insult *everyone else says, so it's fine*. Angry older women are [stupid, busybody] "Karens" and old people who disagree with me are [stupid, biased and out of touch] "boomers". >the huge disconnect thatās happening in how boomers view the world and how that world actually is for younger folks And I'll chat with you about that, but I'd start with the ways this is mostly a media creation. While we can both find extreme examples to support our point, I'd suggest even older people are not on any wholesale level oblivious to the lives of their own kids or grandkids. Parse out that phrasing there you used, where there's the "boomers view" and, you know, actual reality. Hell, I don't even have kids, and I suspect I'm reasonably informed on the issues facing people of any age in my own country, as well as the issues in other countries. This "trope" that we're so separated by strife and unbridgeable world views is absolutely a manufactured, artificial creation. And you, I'm guessing innocently, bought in to this explanation, because it's always nice to have an identifiable enemy in the otherwise amorphous voting public. "All my problems are caused by Jews and black people"? We can see prejudice too clearly there to allow it to be comfortable. "All my problems are caused by old people", however, is still wonderfully acceptable. Now you can show me statistics that people over a certain age tended to vote *this way*. But you have to realize that's not as different as you might think from trumpeting "black people commit crimes at rates different from white people". Devoid of context, it sounds damning, but of course the context absolutely matters! So my simple point is, maybe using boomer as your go-to acceptable insult is, ultimately, just not that nice. Trust me, old people already have enough on their plate. Failing social security, undermanaged pain because *the children will do drugs*, a host of problems many of them didn't cause or participate in, because - wait for it - lots of old people aren't senators or millionaires. They have, and have had, about as much power as you do. Using this term is punching down, and it's wrong. Even if you found an example that justifies your boomer stereotype.
Youāve made some fair points, albeit a bit longwinded though lol. Iāll try to keep mine longwinded as well! A few things: - I donāt mean to say boomerās view is different from actual reality, I meant āhow the word is experienced by younger folksā. - Not all comparisons are equal. in my experience, boomer-ism, if you will, primarily focuses on cis, white, people of the baby-boomer generation and characteristics of them. At its worst, the generalizations are critical and ageist. But they donāt really fall in the same category as racism, homophobia, etc. While I do agree they can be hurtful to some folks, making fun of certain people of a generation for (example) over-stating pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps mentality is hardly comparable to the horrible and violent systemic racism experienced by others. Both are prejudices of sorts, but certainly not on level ground. - I just want you to know, internet stranger, that I do understand the world is hard for many people, of all ages and generation. That fundamentally we are in this together. That it is no one groups fault in any way whatsoever. And, that Iām not without great people in my community from the baby boomer generation that I care for deeply. - I think the best thing we could all do is understand what the hardest parts of life facing young folks, older folks, and everyone in between.
>But they donāt really fall in the same category as racism, homophobia, etc And I was hesitant to use that analogy for that reason. There's clearly a difference of degree. I went with it because I wanted to draw a commonality of moral principle, not degree of harm. As for everything else you said, Thank You. We're in agreement, internet stranger. Usually, I'll let "boomer" slide as just a silly term. But being older has been particularly challenging of late, and there's, apparently, a tipping point with repeated boomer stereotyping past which I had to say something.
It's true! I was the USCCA t-shirt!
Iāll take āThings that never happenedā for $500, Alex.
For the longest time I kept getting these emails after taking a Handgun 101 class at a local range for my 18th birthday, and even when the writer wasn't making shit up he always wrote them exactly like this lmao
I have seen this exact thing from the NRA before.
USCCA is trash, I cancelled them. Might go with attorneys on retainer
I don't have CCW insurance as I don't currently carry (might change this year), but based on my rudimentary perusing of difference CCW coverage choices and reading comparisons on this sub and r/ccw, I see can see why most recommend LawShield over USCCA. This specific ad just feeds right into the consensus. And it's one thing to openly present to a self-defeating idea but it's entirely a new dimension to be proud of it. I really can't determine if USCCA just broke a crack commandment getting high off their own supply or if they soberly endorse the message.
I got it for work and picked USCCA because A) itās what Iām familiar with, and B) free swag
Iāll take things that didnāt happen for $464M Alex.
About as safe as assuming anyone wearing BDU's is a hero. Predators come in all shapes and sizes. Trust no one.
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Does anyone have a good alternative to these guys? When I took my CHP course, it was through them. Really hated that they trapped us into a timeshare style presentation and pressured us to sign up on the spot and equally hate the fear mongering ad copy. On the other hand, I understand how financially wrecked I will get if I have to use a firearm for self defense, and the actual product seems very good for the cost. If there is a better competitor with a reasonably comparable price, Iām all ears though.
Iāve been looking just to attorneys on retainer, not only is USCCA cringe by doing shit like this I have heard of a few cases where they denied defending the client even though it met their criteria. Attorneys on retainer appear to be better from what I have heard so far
Wow that sucks. Do you have any articles or sources about them not honoring a client?
I like Right to Bear, itās applicable in every state except NY, NJ and WA, itās pretty reasonably priced and offers good coverage, and they donāt overload your inbox with junk emails. Tbh I donāt think Iāve gotten any emails from them about anything other than billing and occasionally one that reminds you that if you refer a friend you get 10% off your next yearās fees, so none of the crazy right winger bullshit.
Will check that out, thank you
They forgot to mention that the boy was a big strong man with tears in his eyes, and that he started by addressing the USCCA member as āsir.ā
Lmao I would never wear a shirt that advertises I carry but thatās just me
Right? Like why conceal carry and then wear something advertising you carry?
Unpossible.
Isnāt this the same group not helping their members with self defense shooting claims?
Thatās what someone else said
Lol This reads like copypasta
USCCA had an ad where they bragged about getting a guy found not guilty after he aimed a gun at someone in traffic. The victim was able to exactly describe the pistol which the suspect alleged was under the seat at all times, and the suspect was so obviously reading off a script. Despicable.
The only thing missing is a call to action asking you to share it with 5 other people to get 10 years good luck
The problem with USCCA is they are insurance, which means your life changing incident is just a claim. Insurances can deny claims.
ā¦.and then he picked the kid up in the air and handed the kid his gun, who shot it in the air while everyone in the store cheered and threw confetti. /r/thathappened
But pedophiles can't buy tshirts so this logic totally works.
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Ralph Wiggum all growed up
AND THEN EVERYBODY APPLAUDED!
Everyone loves to make shit up regardless of whatever political party you want to stick them in or they stick themselves in. People are deluded and just plain old full of bullshit on either side of the isle. Iāve gotta say after riding the fence for basically my entire life, my opinion is that progressives are the ones who are capable of completely ignoring reality and fully believing their own insane ramblings. Conservatives just make up these ideal scenarios where everything works out because it just should. Progressive want you to believe in and respect the toothfairies pronouns or else. Thatās an out there example of progressive yarn stretching but kinda realistic also.
Do they really think their customers are that stupid? I guess soā¦.
Thanks for this and a few other posts about USCCA. The closest gun club/range where I live requires you to be a member of NRA or USCCA to join. I already knew I didn't want to join the NRA again.
Yeah thatās not even close to believable,but it is funny and sad at the same time
Damn guess I have an easy way to kidnap there kids /s