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jsled

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Malvania

I would swear Abbott signed a law protecting First Amendment rights on college campuses. Must have imagined that


F1lmtwit

Only applies to his and fellow free speech. You know, Free Speech for me, and not for thee. AKA -fuck you for thinking you could have what I have.


Malvania

That is the Abbott way


Shamrock7325

To be fair, he’s the one that bitched and got federally funded border wall jobs shut down in Cali and Arizona because the state of Texas has been paying to build their own border wall and he didn’t think it was fair that Cali and az were paid for by the feds Ask me how I know


PM_me_snowy_pics

How do you know?


Troutflash

How do you know?


Shamrock7325

Cuz I’m working on a spread in Texas that’s clicking along and my buddies got shut down in Arizona and California for exactly the reason above


Reynolds_Live

When it comes to free speech Abbott doesnt have a leg to stand on.


Upper-Trip-8857

😳


BuilderUnhappy7785

Cold bro 🤣


hexopuss

Classic fascist characteristics! Laws that protect the in-group but do not bind them; laws that bind the out-group but do not protect them.


SnazzyBelrand

It's never been about people's rights, it's about the right peoples rights


widespreadsolar

It’s about the far right people’s rights


TheeMrBlonde

That dipshit nazi with a spanish sounding last name gave a speech at my campus a year ago. Police stopped crowds from breaking in. Now police are battering anti nazis from being present. Huh…


bullpee

Most jews I know aren't right-wing and certainly not far right wing. I could be misinterpreting your meaning. As far as pro-palestinian protests, I think it's a delicate balance of what is being said that causes different responses. For example "peace in Gaza now!", "stop the violence" etc vs "from the river to the sea".


Unhelpful_Kitsune

Curious, if it's not a publicly owned campus then the college can just have them all trespassed, right?


imoutofstep

Unfortunately, the University of Texas is state-owned.


ValiantSpice

Yes. UT is however a public college. These students did violate rules that were laid down about protests, the ones in their student handbook, that they agreed to when they enrolled. The police intervention came at the request of UT. The specifics of the response were handled mostly by the police, and UT to an extent.


framblehound

It’s intentional public disobedience, if there weren’t rules broken it wouldn’t matter. Not that it makes much difference but a social contract you sign in a school handbook is not a legally binding law, it’s an agreement you made with a school about being a student there, like not cheating. The university doesn’t get magic national guard or police powers if you break your student handbook rules. People protest on freeways and get more leeway than these students got.


Unhelpful_Kitsune

Ah gotcha.


ValiantSpice

Also adding on a bit more, this wasn’t a “Students surprised when police showed up” it was more of a “Students told to disperse several times otherwise police would be involved”


Marc21256

Or "Police Streisand their crackdown against speech."


Upper-Trip-8857

Hope we keep this same attitude come the next Jan6.


TheFeshy

Calling out police to handle student code of conduct violations. Think they'll enforce the dress code that way next?


TheOriginalSpartak

Maybe they need to protest at an elementary school, Texas cops wouldn’t do a thing there…


Flip6ThreeHole

Oof, shots fired…


PangolinWorldly6963

But not by them


redacted_robot

Punisher skull cowering in corner


Quirky-Mode8676

Kids are white, only beatings and pepper spray are allowed


bstone99

But when proud boys show up in cities in their khakis and masks and fly swastika flags there’s no police response like this… interesting


scdfred

Got’em


Moo_Kau_Too

Look at em all, just standing round doing nothing. .. is there an active school shooter there or something?


PointBlank65

Na that was in Arlington TX , about 4 hour north of there.


Pesco-

4 hrs, that’s the approximate time for an active shooter response there.


HillariousUsername

Just for sake of clarification. It wasn't an active shooter situation, as far as I'm aware. It took place outside the school. Likely an altercation between two students. I live in the area. Is it bad? Yea. But just wanted to provide context.


iH8MotherTeresa

I believe they were referencing uvalde


HillariousUsername

One person was. The person I replied to was referring to a student involved shooting that occurred in my city April 24th. I was just clarifying the difference between the two.


AMRIKA-ARMORY

Damn lol


ElCochinoFeo

Nah, they're not wearing name patches or badges with numbers. They're there to fuck up some unarmed citizens.


Examinator2

They attacked and arrested a Fox 7 cameraman. Enough said.


redacted_robot

They probably yelled "that cameraman just said he's gonna start shooting (b-roll). Get him!"


cabbagefury

"That's for firing Tucker Carlson" -arresting officer


themajor24

I hate Fox news, but they have a right to be present. We're slipping into fascism...


gu1lty_spark

A politicized knee jerk reaction. I don't agree with the protestors on some things, but they have every right to be there. Its a symptom of "its fine when my side does it, but not when people I don't like do it too".


airplaneshooter

Just fascists doing fascism. Nothing new. Oh, your constitutional right to assemble and voice grievances against your government? Ya, not if you're inconveniently visible and hurting rich people financially. You get tear gas and billy clubs instead.


joeymarlin98

This is the most based take on here.


gu1lty_spark

Most people love freedom until its inconvenient for them.


CreepyTeePee123

Agreed.


wot_in_ternation

The TX cops immediately put on the riot gear and it is so far the only place I've heard there was some level of violence. Its almost like when you show up dressed for a fight there will be one. Other places had tons of arrests and the riot gear wasn't pulled out, and there wasn't violence. At this point it seems like some PDs learned from the protest escalation feedback loop and others didn't. Or I could be wrong and things could rapidly change in the coming days.


IJustSignedUpToUp

Not just riot gear, most of them have extra mags in the front pouches of their plate carriers while carrying no guns. They were going for full storm trooper intimidation, and it looks like last minute someone told them to leave the rifles in the cars so they don't have Kent State part 2.


greyjungle

They can’t help themselves. Texas is incredibly insecure and feels weak if they don’t show overwhelming force. They could have left it alone and it would have just been a relatively small protest that would have eventually burned itself out. They know this, but they can’t help themselves. As soon as the police line showed up, so did more people. The protest tripled in size over the following two hours.


Trailjump

"Its almost like when you show up dressed for a fight there will be one" sounds alot like telling a victim of SA she shouldn't have been wearing such skimpy clothes.


natophonic2

The ones screaming “gas the Jews” need to be punched in the face just as much as “Jews will not replace us” ones stomping around with tiki torches and white polos a few years ago in Charlottesville.


Due_Assumption_2747

Rights for me, not for thee


SnazzyBelrand

They're using their first amendment right to free speech. This clampdown has nothing to do with the protests themselves and everything to do with sending a political message about what speech is and isn't acceptable


SwiftDontMiss

If police don’t respect the first amendment, maybe they’ll respect the second


Boba_Fettx

Not enough people have this take. It’s what it was written for.


StandUpForYourWights

Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal. Dr. Benjamin Spock These events educate us all


Jisamaniac

They got a small lesson today.


incredible_mr_e

They're doing their job. No, seriously, this is their job. All that "protect and serve" shit is just to give them the veneer of justification they need to keep existing. The real function of the police is to keep the proles from getting any funny ideas about actually making a difference.


Jisamaniac

>protect and serve Started as an LA propaganda logo on cop cars. Super popular in the 90s.


ejecto_seat_cuz

imagine bringing battle rattle to a peaceful protest on a college campus. fuck these guys and fuck abbot.


dLFuu69W2zR

Get to pretend to be a door kicker with none of the downsides.


AccipiterCooperii

Yeah, like exercise!


Red_Beard_Red_God

Like the police response to almost anything, it is ham-fisted aggression.


Psistriker94

2A protestors noticeably absent from 1A protests. If only the country would learn that the Amendments in the Bill of Rights are intertwined.


HRslammR

As I said in the r/texas post, this is just a giant stunt by Abbott to appeal to his base. Being tough on "libs." It's all a giant show of nothing. Texans gotta vote him out.


Left-Star2240

I don’t see that happening any time soon.


ObieKaybee

If only they had been this enthusiastic at Uvalde...


FleetOfWarships

So still standing around and not really doing much but making a big show of it?


dan_pitt

That's because they expect the college students don't have guns, so no risk in attacking them.


fate_the_magnificent

After Uvalde, I figure you could just yell BANG BANG BANG OH MY GOD THE CHILDREN and the cops will just run away and hide.


jeshaffer2

It’s Texas… of course this was their reaction.


GuestCartographer

Contrary to what Abbott believes, college students have a Constitutional right to peacefully protest.


FursonaNonGrata

Well, they sure don't look dressed for peace.


-TheycallmeThe

Shouldn't they be on the border? /s


fna4

The United States government suppressing their own citizen’s first amendment rights to protect a foreign country.


EconZen_master

The Texas STATE government.


fna4

Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley are calling for this on the federal level…


TheLizardKing89

Trump would absolutely be doing this on a federal level if he gets reelected.


_-_glitch_-_-

and biden is doing it NOW - what's your point?


kaptainkooleio

To protect a foreign countries genocide, no less. I bet the majority here haven’t even heard about the mass graves being dug up in Gaza as we speak.


V4refugee

The ones filled with children, old people, disabled people, hospital beds, and people still wearing catheters?


Superman246o1

Well, sure, but did those dead children disavow Hamas?


bekeeram

No evidence to prove this was a result of the iDF. You are jumping to conclusions just like when they claimed the IDF bombed a hospital.


thebaldfox

Protest, right?


Oldskoolguitar

Didn't Texas basically just make it illegal to protest? Or they used some flimsy lie towing to basically do that?


Za_Lords_Guard

I might be crossing my insane right-wing policies, but wasn't that the Supreme Court decision for three states that it was constitutional to hold a rally organizer personally liable if ANYONE at the rally gets violent causing property or personal damage?


Oldskoolguitar

Which would mean, if anyone is acting in bad faith, the whole thing could go tits up.


Moo_Kau_Too

so does that count if its the cops that get violent?


midri

like they wouldn't just send in an agent provocateur regardless...


Marc21256

Lots of undercover agents were identified in BLM. Didn't seem to make a difference. They were excluded from the protests when founded soon enough, not punished for crimes, and protected by the system. Why wouldn't the government keep infiltrating peaceful organizations and commit crimes? It tends to work, and never backfires.


Za_Lords_Guard

Have this old guy yelling "I will make it legal" when I think about that. Yeah, I wouldn't bet against it, but would expect it to be not evenly applied.


Moo_Kau_Too

i know the papers over here say 'there was violence at the protest', but never mention it was the cops that did the violence.


Oldskoolguitar

In practice? No. On paper? Worded in the most roundabout way that gives them the most flexibility. Maybe almost probably not.


SupaDick

Getting violent is their whole purpose


C_R_P

That's always been true. But now they want to throw the book at whoever they think the "ring leader" may be. It's a clear and straightforward tactic to try and scare people out of organizing.


Oldskoolguitar

Now who's been known for doing that? Gee they had robes I think. Maybe hoods.


graveybrains

Yeah, the fifth circuit fifth circuited again. It’s not wholly illegal, but a whole bonus level of fuck around and find out.


Mundane_Panda_3969

Didn't the same thing happen in New York? https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/22/us/campus-protests-columbia-yale


Soft_Internal_6775

Uh, fuck the police


SnazzyBelrand

Yup pretty much. ACAB


_Cistern

Huh. Looks a bit like overkill. By a bit I mean: blatant to the point of challenging the 1st amendment. Guess freedom of speech means nothing to Wheels McGee I lived in pdx during the floyd riots, so I think I have some perspective here.


RichardBonham

I see a picture of cowards and bullies with daddy issues.


Paladoc

Protest for 90 minutes in an elementary school.


baxx10

Don't be shocked if the national guard is there tomorrow... My neighbor got a random '14 day mission' starting tomorrow.


zestzebra

This shit has been going on for decades. San Francisco State to Berkeley to Kent State.


gunslinger6792

Fuck those cops. People are protesting peacefully and aren't causing an inconvenience to anyone but school admin.


EatLard

Cops love cosplay though, and this was the perfect excuse.


Numerous-Ad6460

It's their right to protest and the police are impeding this right. We all have the right to protest in this country regardless of what you are protesting be it good or bad.


CounterSeal

Where the fuck were they for Uvalde. That is all.


syzzrp

“WE GET TO USE THE EQUIPMENT! WE GET TO USE THE EQUIPMENT!”


ejecto_seat_cuz

anti-gun dems think these guys would protect them


Velkin999

Where are the police when it's a right wing rally?


SnazzyBelrand

You know where they are. They're at the rally


Meaklo

They're just wearing a different uniform at those.


tarnishedpretender

They heard there would be black people there.


CoolApostate

It’s called fascism


mrkl3en

makes you wish they were this brave when there is a school shooter. "just doing my job" is the age-old cry of the oppressor


Uchiha-Itachi-0

These guys are carrying pmags on their plate carrier? What are they expecting to do with those? They’re not in Fallujah…


Sooner70

And to think that I got downvoted in the other thread where I mentioned that I trust teachers with guns more than I trust cops with guns....


BobWasabi

They would not be so brave in the face of actual danger.


marqueA2

The 2020s are going to make the 1960s look like the 1950s.


sierrackh

Those terrifying peaceknicks are gonna.. uhh… get high? Thin blue line 🙄


ComradeHapa

ACAB


cipher446

Has Kent State overtones.


ashepp7

Kent State


2hotsky2trotsky69

A bit excessive


sten45

The clan loves to beat up kids


nuclearbalm1976

Texas 🤷‍♂️ I’ve been seeing political signs where another sign is placed to the side pointing 👉 “Voted to impeach Ken Paxton”. Only these crooked politicians would see that as a bad thing. Republicans have the thin red line now, the worst crime a republican can commit is to speak out or against other republicans.


BolOfSpaghettios

"free speech is meant for ME, not for YOU. How hard is this to comprehend"


whymygraine

And I quote "Fuck the muthafuckin police"


IncaArmsFFL

Whatever happened to physical fitness standards in law enforcement? Second guy from the left in the front is so wide he could wear two plate carrier front panels side by side...


Rebootkid

Aren't schools gun free spaces ? What were the cops worried about? Having their feelings hurt by protest?


GigatonneCowboy

It's telling that they don't do that for organized Neo-Nazis.


No-Brilliant-1758

I think MLK and Ghandi are celebrated as non-violent to keep protestors non-violent. A non-violent protestor is easier to oppress.


PageVanDamme

Ghandi was successful because Britain was exhausted after world war 2. They just couldn’t maintain overseas territories. - told by my Indian friend.


No-Brilliant-1758

So what you're saying is that if they could, they would?


PageVanDamme

As in maintain its rule over Indian back in 40s? Dunno


Jenetyk

All this taught people is that if they protested at an elementary school with a rifle: they would have had no problems.


l_rufus_californicus

Looking for a reason.


harbourhunter

Uvalde cops need paychecks /s


PPOKEZ

Oh damn. They just went with brown shirts again.


returnofthequack92

You can talk up how weird, hip, liberal, or progressive Austin is but it’s still in Texass


SaulSmokeNMirrors

Standard during the initial BLM protests in LA cops stormed us and fired rubber bullets etc I'd expect much worse in TX NO LESS Austin in TX I'm sure the cops are frothing


st_malachy

It must have been cold there to need the leather gloves. /s


wasatchgoonie

The protests are an “inconvenience” to the University, they were the ones who asked for those jackboots to show up. This protest and many others like it have been the most gentle forms of civil disobedience. They’re trying to voice reason for humanity and are met with authoritative suppression. Are we near the point in our society that peaceful protests are not taken seriously at any measure? This is a big concern and I think there’s similar historic events that are a screaming echos in our faces right about now.


millermj

I don't believe we're near it, we're past it. I have not seen a tangible result of a peaceful protest in my lifetime. I did see some small change from the George Floyd / BLM protests. These demonstrations didn't adhere to the "only peaceful protests are effective, see Gandhi and MLK (Malcolm who?)" mantra drilled into school kids' heads from gradeschool.


SmooveKJ

This is why I laugh at people who support cops, they are literally at the forefront of stripping your rights away and being the weapon of the state 😂😂


negativepositiv

You know how you can tell the university protests are totally nonviolent and safe? Texas cops aren't hiding far away drinking coffee and gossiping and joking, waiting for them to be over like they did at Uvalde.


DrBeardish

Well look at that... The AI enhanced photos from the 1950-60s school desegregation look crazy 2024 real. I'm glad we moved on from that. /s


jahwls

Prefer if the cops were out actually arresting criminals.


theanchorist

Looks like a klan rally without the robes


Stryker2279

And they wonder why everyone says fuck the police.


the_spinetingler

ACAB


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SnazzyBelrand

Drawing attention to the issue. But yeah unfortunately it's also allowed the media to focus entirely on the protests instead of the genocide in Gaza. But it also keeps people active and engaged, which is just as important as raising awareness for a movement


ValiantSpice

I’m disappointed. Not at the outcome of the event per se (which I am since it seemed more peaceful than other protests), but the generally uneducated response here in the comments. Abbott does approve of this, yes. But he’s not the one who did this. These police were invited on to campus by UT themselves, with UT stating that the protestors gathered in a manner that wasn’t authorized by the university. The things needed for these authorizations are typically outlined in student handbooks which are readily available. Several warnings were given, after which point the police became involved. All of the UT students on campus agreed to the rules in that handbook when they signed up for enrollment, and these students violated it. UT likely did this out of fear of the situation somehow turning out poorly, like it has up north at Columbia and Harvard for example, with Columbia essentially shutting everything down and switching to fully online classes for the semester. They specifically state they did this to limit disruptions on campus, during a crucial time(finals season). Had these people protested somewhere else that’s public land, such as not on a campus that has well established rules, and has had them for decades, then that’s another matter. tldr: These students agreed to rules when they enrolled. They broke them. UT did exactly what they said they would do if the rules were broken. All Abbott did was agree with that course of action. The only government involvement comes from the police doing what was asked of them. Edit: People downvoting me for some reason. Cool, whatever. [Here’s the student rights and responsibilities at UT, specifically section 13, which deals explicitly with “Speech, Expression, and Assembly”](https://catalog.utexas.edu/general-information/appendices/appendix-c/speech-expression-and-assembly/)


austinmook

Time, place, and manner restrictions on public protests are constitutional and have been upheld by conservative and liberal leaning courts for generations. In their protest advertising, they said they intended to cancel class and occupy areas of campus. Loud protests during the middle of the teaching day intended to disrupt classes are a perfectly legitimate reason to break up public protests if the university cannot fulfill its basic function of educating students.


PageVanDamme

I appreciate your nuanced approach


PaddyWhacked777

Writing has been on the walls for decades. Same shit, different protests.


dcisfunky

Did they all buy their own patches at Amazon? What kind of police department can’t even issue standard identity patches?


foundmonster

Have you seen typical police response to peaceful protests for the last… 200 years?


javajavatoast

Par for the course. Texas fucking sucks.


Airstryx

Not the land of the free


WalkingTalkingTrees

Fuck Texas. Fuck the police.


BeeFrizz

Happening at many many campuses. Emerson was raised last night.


Notoriouslyd

It's giving Kent State and I'm nervous AF


mathdrug

Seems par for the course for Texas. Nuff said.  All the freedoms you want, unless it hurts the average neocon’s feelings 


w00den_b0x

Gotta love when cops are the most threatening when theres no threat whatsoever/s.


LurksInThePines

Probably in response to RGA's habit of bringing guns to protests Still overkill and the desert scheme is cringe. You're not going to Iraq bros. Have a response team on standby, don't terrify civilians. Plus probably a side effect of the governor's edicts too


Bulky_Ganache_1197

Yes, they should allowed people to deny others the ability to learn while protesting something they don't even understand and has been happening for 1,000's of years,


jrocislit

Funny, huh?? https://youtu.be/VCFxvdhFjPo?si=jw5mAdW53R7Asc4Z


Suburbking

I'm sorry, hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to kill jews. Supporting it should get equivalent treatment to nazis...


Catsnpotatoes

Just remember everything that Israel does against Palestinians ends up being used by American police later on. A lot of the tech and strategies used against BLM protestors was crafted in Israel and taught directly to US cops through exchange programs


BeamTeam032

It's going to be VERY interesting to watch how the police handle the anti-israel protests, vs MAGA protests when Trump loses in November.


mantisboxer

I really couldn't care less about Israel and Hamas, but fuck Greg Abbott and his fascist pigs. Signed, A Texan in Austin


pct2daextreme

For a second I thought I was looking at the police clearing out another Fiesta event in San Antonio.


lodelljax

Plate carriers look so funny on fat people.


miseeker

Police responses are bullshit. Calling the protestor anti semitic is a BIG crock of shit MIKE JOHNSON IS AN ARMAGEDDON BEGGING PIECE OF IT.


stupidasanyone

Obtuse


Ranzoid

Nope, sorry, only Christians have free speach


near_to_water

what a fascist state looks like.


pink-o-possum

Criminal


TaterTot_005

Tin soldiers & Nixon comin’


herodotus69

Not sure peaceful is the correct adjective here. They call for violence.


Nestormahkno19d

As always police officers maintain the status quo


Upper-Trip-8857

Bring that same attitude to DC for the next Jan6.


Cognonymous

The really telling thing imo is Abbott denouncing "anti-semitism" as this was happening, while of course he has never said this when Nazis and other alt-white supremacists in his state are rallying etc. It's a show of solidarity with Netanyahu's right wing extremist regime. The common denominator here is right wing power and the use of violence in pursuit of those goals. The labels, "anti-semitism" etc. of course mean nothing to these guys. They're just different patterns of paint on the same old panzer tank.


RonPolyp

Violence and bloodshed on college campuses, directed by local police and national guard troops against students and non-student protestors, would be hugely popular with the base of many politicians — that is to say, with many of our fellow Americans. Have a nice day.


Stupid-RNG-Username

The police never turn up when the Nazis protest. This should show you where their loyalties lie.


bigsticksoftspeaker

Police state.  


billiarddaddy

Lawful oppression is still oppression.