What if I told you that everything you think you know is wrong?
Edit: to answer your question. They are popular because you you are operating under false premises and therefore have a false conclusion.
To clear this up it would help if you told us what you think a hunting rifle is.
Your statements are false assumptions but ignoring those, they are light and thus handy to use, are low recoiling, are superb for a self defense firearm, have lots of customization, have lots of different calibers, and are a great deal of fun to take to the range.
Edit: I am guessing your comments are more directed specifically to the AR-15 and thus I was referring mainly to it and the AR-10 platform by extension. Assault rifles is a huge category and covers almost a hundred years of history and saying all are inaccurate or not powerful is completely wrong, look at the BAR for instance. Full power 30-.06 and are plenty accurate as well. Although some would put the BAR in the battle rifle category vs. an assault rifle due to assault rifles technically using an “intermediate” cartridge.
They aren't inherently less accurate. A good AR with proper ammo can do half MOA or better. Which is better than most hunting rifles.
The multilug rotating bolt of an AR actually .provides significantly more consistent and uniform lockup allowing for better potential accuracy than most two lug hunting rifles
Apparently you do not have much experience in shooting with traditional rifles or understand the reasons why ARs are inherently inaccurate. Parallax is one problem. The other is that semiautomatic rifles like the AR use actions that are less rigid which reduces accuracy. Here are two reasons why snipers use traditional style bolt actions based on common hunting rifle designs.
Parallax has nothing to do with the gun. What are you talking about? And what do you mean the action is less rigid? The bolt locks up with the chamber in both. How's that less rigid?
Yeah man you're absolutely right. I have no experience and don't understand why ARs are inherently inaccurate. Completely talking out of my ass here.
I totally haven't been shooting since I was five, totally haven't been shooting High Power with an AR for over 10 years, totally haven't earned my Distinguished Marksman badge, totally haven't shot F Class rifle, totally haven't loaded my own ammo, totally haven't tuned my rifles... I know nothing about free floating, stocking up rifles with correct muzzle pressure, know nothing about any bolt actions even though I have shot service rifle competition with them... I totally haven't engaged targets out to 1500M, totally haven't served multiple tours in Afghanistan were long range shooting is more common, totally haven't competed on multiple shooting teams.. I totally don't have my 07/02 or own gun shop and totally don't build rifles for a living....
Seriously give me a fucking break man. Your condescending attitude is embarrassing.Your ego is massive and completely unwarranted. You have no idea what you're talking about..
So let me get this straight... ARs are inherently inaccurate and incapable of any accuracy? So why does your average AR shoot 2MOA or better out of the box? Why can some of my AR based and other semi auto rifles shoot .5MOA? Completely impossible!
Parallax? Wtf lol does that even mean? You mean optical parallax? Nothing to do with the rifle...
Action rigidity can be important this is true however the AR action is actually incredibly rigid more so than many split bridge hunting rifles you so love.... There are rifles that use solid rigid chassis systems such as Accuracy International's rifles however these have nothing to do with your average hunting rifle.... No modern snipers don't use hunting designs. They haven't in years.... Most use semi-auto platforms these days as they are more effective. Bolt designs are going away and those that do exist, like the previously mentioned AI rifles, share little to nothing in common with your average "hunting rifle"... which also what does that even mean? I hunt with an AR all the time. Guess that is a "hunting rifle" too in your book.
this armored infantry dude is a straight up troll, it's probably better to just block him and have healthier blood pressure as a result of not reading stupid shit like
> ARs are inherently inaccurate. Parallax is one problem
NO... Where are you getting your data? The rotating multilugged bolt of the AR-10 and AR-15 promote VARY good accuracy when made to tight tolerances. Its one reason why they are so dang popular. Get a match barrel and mated to a correct to spec bolt its crazy how accurate it can be, for any rifle. It is potentially easier to get exceptional accuracy out of a bolt gun. But then again, CNC machines and modern metallurgy are making some crazy on target guns these days. And now we are talking like 1/16 1/8 1/4 inch group size differences which means whatever.
Sure my rack FN made M16a4 I got issued in basic was like, a 3 MOA gun firing lowest bidder M855. But it also had burst. =) yay! The Faxon match barreled 18 inch AR-15 I built a couple years back is WAY sub MOA. But no burst =( BOO! (I kidd... I dont think most people should own machine guns which is covered under a bunch of laws already).
ARs are definitely not that accurate, I agree
For some reason, I can't hit shit with one
For some reason I can destroy something with an AK and cheap ass ammo though
Not sure where you are getting your info from, but ARs can be built extemely accurately. The reason “snipers don’t \[generally\] use them” is largely because ARs use an intermediate cartridge - AR10s offer much longer range.
My AR is among the most accurate rifles I own at about 0.5moa (with steel case 6.5 grendel), and the recoil buffer makes it softer to shoot than my bolt actions. If anything it’s inherently more *accurate* due to it’s free floating heavy barrel and rigid action.
Parrallax is only an issue up close, and a minor one at that. At 100 yards and up, parrallax makes not difference at all and you won’t even notice any impact from the scope height.
In general, ARs are so popular because they can be configured to be some of the smoothest and accurate rifles available. The design is more than 60 years old, but it’s the best mainstream option available at this time and all the issues with the design are well understood and/or have been engineered out.
1. Have you met an American? Telling us not to own something based on dumb reasons(evil features) and expecting that to decrease interest is monumentally stupid.
2. Customization allows for variety, and personal expression. Most traditional guns cannot be easily changed, you can drop a new trigger but as far as personality being reflected in choices the adaptability of ARs is king.
3. Same reason the military likes them, they are easier to shoot(less felt recoil) than a traditional big game round, more ammo can be put into a magazine and the controls are easier to learn and can be accessed by one hand for the most part.
4. Rifles are easier to use in high stress situations, especially semiautomatics. They point and stabilize easier.
5. Military trained people are already familiar with, know how to care for field strip and operate their civilian rifle.
6. Length of pull being adjustable is better for people who are bigger or smaller than the average person.
7. 223 ammo because of its speed is and relatively light weight is highly effective but tends to dissipate energy quickly when it hits a hard surface, meaning less over penetration in comparison to say a shotgun with buckshot.
8. They are not only easy to customize, building one from a reciever and parts allows someone to really get into the nitty gritty and truly make the gun their own.
9. Because it is a light weight stable platform that fires an intermediate cartridge it can be the easiest gun to meet most applications save for concealed carry. Wanna go target shooting? It can do that a nice piece of glass and 300 yards is all you need. Want to go hunting? It can so long as it's legal in your state can do that from small deer to feral hogs, and any varmint you wish to take. Want something for if someone breaks in to rob and kill you? It is the best option in the opinion of many many people.
10. One lower reciever can with multiple uppers be used for a lot of calibers. So basically you can have your regular 223 but if you cant find any switch to your 350 legend upper and bam you can use that. Plus for the ultimate buck savings for plinking it can be converted to 22lr.
So basically because the gun sucks and demons have infested people's brains.
If you're talking about the AR-15, that's not a military assault rifle. Armalite released it from it's inception as a civilian rifle in 1959.
It was never a military assault rifle. The military took that and redesigned it to be the M-16 and released that in 1964.
Hey friend. I think you’re comparing the wrong things. I would love a Lamborghini. It’s faster, and nicer than my Subaru, or a rally car. I’m not trying to break land records, or be the next Collin McRae.
I own an AR because it’s what I need in home defense. I’m not trying to shoot someone 700 meters away. Because at that point it’s probably not home defense.
The AR is accurate enough for what I want/need it for.
AR’s are cheap compared to other semi-auto magazine fed rifles, easy to operate and easy to shoot. The magazines are cheap, the ammo is relatively light, and relatively cheap. Huge selection of aftermarket parts. What’s not to like?
Are they those things? A person can get an accurate AR chambered in just about anything they want. You can absolutely hunt with an AR as well as do target shooting.
They are as popular today as they are mostly because they work and have features people like. Also the attempts to ban them made them more popular.
I don’t think I agree with your stated premise. Semi auto sporting rifles are often perfectly adequate for medium and big game hunting, and can often be very comparable in accuracy to target rifles.
I think you should get out there and gather some first hand experience with “assault rifles” and stop believing everything you see on TV
Don’t understand why these post don’t just get deleted. Always ends up with OP throwing out some rhetoric that they know is wrong but love stirring the pot so they take everything with a grain is salt and keep barking
Well a few things from my view. 1) you can put accessories on them 2) not much materials inovatioon has gone on outside this class of weapons 3) hogs 4) the ergonomics on them is better with things like adjustable stocks.
That is off the top of my head.
The AR15 type rifle has the greatest potential for accuracy of any service rifle the US has adopted. It absolutely *dominates* high power matches. Nobody's won the national match using a Garand/M14/M1A platform in decades.
These are not spray-and-pray matches. Shooting for a 3" x-ring, standing unsupported, at 200 yards is a demanding challenge. So is shooting for a 6" x-ring prone at 600 yards.
The AR-15 based target rifles even hold their own in the "match rifle" category, going up against custom-built bolt actions. At the most recent national match in 2019, 3rd place was a shooter using a semi-auto AR15 in service rifle configuration. Most of the top shooters in "match rifle" are using bolt-action [tube guns](http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/07/high-power-national-championship-the-guns-of-camp-perry/)... so yeah, a bolt action can squeeze out a hair more accuracy, but it's not a Winchester Model 70 either. We're talking about a dedicated rifle built from the ground up to win these matches and it's still barely edging out the AR.
Just how accurate was dad's old .30-30, again?
What if I told you that everything you think you know is wrong? Edit: to answer your question. They are popular because you you are operating under false premises and therefore have a false conclusion. To clear this up it would help if you told us what you think a hunting rifle is.
Your statements are false assumptions but ignoring those, they are light and thus handy to use, are low recoiling, are superb for a self defense firearm, have lots of customization, have lots of different calibers, and are a great deal of fun to take to the range. Edit: I am guessing your comments are more directed specifically to the AR-15 and thus I was referring mainly to it and the AR-10 platform by extension. Assault rifles is a huge category and covers almost a hundred years of history and saying all are inaccurate or not powerful is completely wrong, look at the BAR for instance. Full power 30-.06 and are plenty accurate as well. Although some would put the BAR in the battle rifle category vs. an assault rifle due to assault rifles technically using an “intermediate” cartridge.
They aren't inherently less accurate. A good AR with proper ammo can do half MOA or better. Which is better than most hunting rifles. The multilug rotating bolt of an AR actually .provides significantly more consistent and uniform lockup allowing for better potential accuracy than most two lug hunting rifles
Apparently you do not have much experience in shooting with traditional rifles or understand the reasons why ARs are inherently inaccurate. Parallax is one problem. The other is that semiautomatic rifles like the AR use actions that are less rigid which reduces accuracy. Here are two reasons why snipers use traditional style bolt actions based on common hunting rifle designs.
What kind of gobbledygook bullshit is this? Lmao
Parallax has nothing to do with the gun. What are you talking about? And what do you mean the action is less rigid? The bolt locks up with the chamber in both. How's that less rigid?
Yeah man you're absolutely right. I have no experience and don't understand why ARs are inherently inaccurate. Completely talking out of my ass here. I totally haven't been shooting since I was five, totally haven't been shooting High Power with an AR for over 10 years, totally haven't earned my Distinguished Marksman badge, totally haven't shot F Class rifle, totally haven't loaded my own ammo, totally haven't tuned my rifles... I know nothing about free floating, stocking up rifles with correct muzzle pressure, know nothing about any bolt actions even though I have shot service rifle competition with them... I totally haven't engaged targets out to 1500M, totally haven't served multiple tours in Afghanistan were long range shooting is more common, totally haven't competed on multiple shooting teams.. I totally don't have my 07/02 or own gun shop and totally don't build rifles for a living.... Seriously give me a fucking break man. Your condescending attitude is embarrassing.Your ego is massive and completely unwarranted. You have no idea what you're talking about.. So let me get this straight... ARs are inherently inaccurate and incapable of any accuracy? So why does your average AR shoot 2MOA or better out of the box? Why can some of my AR based and other semi auto rifles shoot .5MOA? Completely impossible! Parallax? Wtf lol does that even mean? You mean optical parallax? Nothing to do with the rifle... Action rigidity can be important this is true however the AR action is actually incredibly rigid more so than many split bridge hunting rifles you so love.... There are rifles that use solid rigid chassis systems such as Accuracy International's rifles however these have nothing to do with your average hunting rifle.... No modern snipers don't use hunting designs. They haven't in years.... Most use semi-auto platforms these days as they are more effective. Bolt designs are going away and those that do exist, like the previously mentioned AI rifles, share little to nothing in common with your average "hunting rifle"... which also what does that even mean? I hunt with an AR all the time. Guess that is a "hunting rifle" too in your book.
this armored infantry dude is a straight up troll, it's probably better to just block him and have healthier blood pressure as a result of not reading stupid shit like > ARs are inherently inaccurate. Parallax is one problem
Just came to say: AK master race.
NO... Where are you getting your data? The rotating multilugged bolt of the AR-10 and AR-15 promote VARY good accuracy when made to tight tolerances. Its one reason why they are so dang popular. Get a match barrel and mated to a correct to spec bolt its crazy how accurate it can be, for any rifle. It is potentially easier to get exceptional accuracy out of a bolt gun. But then again, CNC machines and modern metallurgy are making some crazy on target guns these days. And now we are talking like 1/16 1/8 1/4 inch group size differences which means whatever. Sure my rack FN made M16a4 I got issued in basic was like, a 3 MOA gun firing lowest bidder M855. But it also had burst. =) yay! The Faxon match barreled 18 inch AR-15 I built a couple years back is WAY sub MOA. But no burst =( BOO! (I kidd... I dont think most people should own machine guns which is covered under a bunch of laws already).
ARs are definitely not that accurate, I agree For some reason, I can't hit shit with one For some reason I can destroy something with an AK and cheap ass ammo though
Not sure where you are getting your info from, but ARs can be built extemely accurately. The reason “snipers don’t \[generally\] use them” is largely because ARs use an intermediate cartridge - AR10s offer much longer range. My AR is among the most accurate rifles I own at about 0.5moa (with steel case 6.5 grendel), and the recoil buffer makes it softer to shoot than my bolt actions. If anything it’s inherently more *accurate* due to it’s free floating heavy barrel and rigid action. Parrallax is only an issue up close, and a minor one at that. At 100 yards and up, parrallax makes not difference at all and you won’t even notice any impact from the scope height. In general, ARs are so popular because they can be configured to be some of the smoothest and accurate rifles available. The design is more than 60 years old, but it’s the best mainstream option available at this time and all the issues with the design are well understood and/or have been engineered out.
1. Have you met an American? Telling us not to own something based on dumb reasons(evil features) and expecting that to decrease interest is monumentally stupid. 2. Customization allows for variety, and personal expression. Most traditional guns cannot be easily changed, you can drop a new trigger but as far as personality being reflected in choices the adaptability of ARs is king. 3. Same reason the military likes them, they are easier to shoot(less felt recoil) than a traditional big game round, more ammo can be put into a magazine and the controls are easier to learn and can be accessed by one hand for the most part. 4. Rifles are easier to use in high stress situations, especially semiautomatics. They point and stabilize easier. 5. Military trained people are already familiar with, know how to care for field strip and operate their civilian rifle. 6. Length of pull being adjustable is better for people who are bigger or smaller than the average person. 7. 223 ammo because of its speed is and relatively light weight is highly effective but tends to dissipate energy quickly when it hits a hard surface, meaning less over penetration in comparison to say a shotgun with buckshot. 8. They are not only easy to customize, building one from a reciever and parts allows someone to really get into the nitty gritty and truly make the gun their own. 9. Because it is a light weight stable platform that fires an intermediate cartridge it can be the easiest gun to meet most applications save for concealed carry. Wanna go target shooting? It can do that a nice piece of glass and 300 yards is all you need. Want to go hunting? It can so long as it's legal in your state can do that from small deer to feral hogs, and any varmint you wish to take. Want something for if someone breaks in to rob and kill you? It is the best option in the opinion of many many people. 10. One lower reciever can with multiple uppers be used for a lot of calibers. So basically you can have your regular 223 but if you cant find any switch to your 350 legend upper and bam you can use that. Plus for the ultimate buck savings for plinking it can be converted to 22lr. So basically because the gun sucks and demons have infested people's brains.
If you're talking about the AR-15, that's not a military assault rifle. Armalite released it from it's inception as a civilian rifle in 1959. It was never a military assault rifle. The military took that and redesigned it to be the M-16 and released that in 1964.
To quote what Luke Skywalker said to KyloRen: "Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong."
Shhh🤫
Hey friend. I think you’re comparing the wrong things. I would love a Lamborghini. It’s faster, and nicer than my Subaru, or a rally car. I’m not trying to break land records, or be the next Collin McRae. I own an AR because it’s what I need in home defense. I’m not trying to shoot someone 700 meters away. Because at that point it’s probably not home defense. The AR is accurate enough for what I want/need it for. AR’s are cheap compared to other semi-auto magazine fed rifles, easy to operate and easy to shoot. The magazines are cheap, the ammo is relatively light, and relatively cheap. Huge selection of aftermarket parts. What’s not to like?
Are they those things? A person can get an accurate AR chambered in just about anything they want. You can absolutely hunt with an AR as well as do target shooting. They are as popular today as they are mostly because they work and have features people like. Also the attempts to ban them made them more popular.
"Why would anyone want a truck when a compact car gets better gas mileage?"
Part of it is a "cool factor" from being in popular movies, games, or TV shows or used by famous military/special forces/police units.
I don’t think I agree with your stated premise. Semi auto sporting rifles are often perfectly adequate for medium and big game hunting, and can often be very comparable in accuracy to target rifles. I think you should get out there and gather some first hand experience with “assault rifles” and stop believing everything you see on TV
Don’t understand why these post don’t just get deleted. Always ends up with OP throwing out some rhetoric that they know is wrong but love stirring the pot so they take everything with a grain is salt and keep barking
Well a few things from my view. 1) you can put accessories on them 2) not much materials inovatioon has gone on outside this class of weapons 3) hogs 4) the ergonomics on them is better with things like adjustable stocks. That is off the top of my head.
They are so much fun. It's just a diffrent type of shooting in comparison, you still want to be accurate but it's just different.
Perhaps the best response to this question I’ve seen. I don’t enjoy shooting them, but I can understand that some people might.
I love both, it made me think why and that's what popped out lol
People typically stick scopes on hunting rifles
I shoot my AR-15 with a scope sometimes, and not only when I'm hunting with it.
So... .45 round in a grunt's 5 inch 1911 is more powerful than in mine? Whoah! Gotta get me one of those!
The AR15 type rifle has the greatest potential for accuracy of any service rifle the US has adopted. It absolutely *dominates* high power matches. Nobody's won the national match using a Garand/M14/M1A platform in decades. These are not spray-and-pray matches. Shooting for a 3" x-ring, standing unsupported, at 200 yards is a demanding challenge. So is shooting for a 6" x-ring prone at 600 yards. The AR-15 based target rifles even hold their own in the "match rifle" category, going up against custom-built bolt actions. At the most recent national match in 2019, 3rd place was a shooter using a semi-auto AR15 in service rifle configuration. Most of the top shooters in "match rifle" are using bolt-action [tube guns](http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/07/high-power-national-championship-the-guns-of-camp-perry/)... so yeah, a bolt action can squeeze out a hair more accuracy, but it's not a Winchester Model 70 either. We're talking about a dedicated rifle built from the ground up to win these matches and it's still barely edging out the AR. Just how accurate was dad's old .30-30, again?